general-chat

[devout forum]

TBF

[opaque sedge]

Goddamn ur a fast reader

[devout forum]

The 4080(s) is legitimately incredible with efficiency

[opaque sedge]

Did u get a v cache upgrade alongside ur x3d cpu too

[devout forum]

How is the GRE power draw?

280 watts?

[rancid juniper]

It won't be 300 or 1000 either but dang 7800xt pricing??? Mmmmm I dunno

[rancid juniper]

263 stock

[devout forum]

Yeah 4080s did 320 watts max iirc

And for that power did a lot

[mortal grail]

I need to repost this

[opaque sedge]

The 9070xt is rumored to have an over 300w tdp

[devout forum]

Tit for tat that'd be amazing power efficiency

[rancid juniper]

Speedway is the one that uses RT

[mortal grail]

Yep

[rancid juniper]

They barely improved RT performance

[devout forum]

OMFG

[opaque sedge]

Several aibs with three 8 pin connectors have been showcased as well

[devout forum]

Did AMD just find some magic architecture?

That's insane

[mortal grail]

No

But the price is wild if they're targeting around 525 usd

[rancid juniper]

Stock cards are gonna use 2x8pins

[devout forum]

It'd make RT on AMD actually viable

[mortal grail]

Also up for debate, look at where the XTX sits

[devout forum]

4070 Ti S RT perf with that raster would be wildin' if true

[mortal grail]

The 9070XT looks like a budget blasting 7900XT

[devout forum]

Issue with the XTX is that it was blasting power so bad you really needed the thicc power supply

[mortal grail]

Yes

[devout forum]

And it wasn't the greatest with RT

[opaque sedge]

Yeah the 7900xt and xtx stock had 2 as well

[mortal grail]

There's a lot to glean from all of that

[rancid juniper]

It may be good but the way that AMD advertised RDNA 4 will be way more refined in RT is not much

[devout forum]

We'll see

But it could be really good

[mortal grail]

Granted speedway isn't all that heavy for RT tho

[opaque sedge]

Did nvidia say anything abt the 50 series having improved rt perf?

[rancid juniper]

Neat

[dusk knot]

Any word of an XTX model?

[devout forum]

I don't remember hearing anything specific
Just more AI slop marketing

[mortal grail]

I'd be buying it if there was but no

[rancid juniper]

Load it up on A plague tale: requiem

Lmfao

[devout forum]

It was all about DLSS4

[icy ore]

Hmm

Of course

[devout forum]

TBF I didn't watch the keynote

I can't stand the AI BS

[dusk knot]

The 9070 is simply not good enough, for me that is

[rancid juniper]

AMD is ditching XTX

[devout forum]

But based on the coverage I didn't see much mention of RT

[opaque sedge]

So if they haven’t improved native rt perf by much and based on leaks for rdna4 and the battlemage lineup is it possible amd and intel might have catched up to nvidia in rt this gen?

[dusk knot]

Confirmed?

[devout forum]

I'd say debatable rn

[opaque sedge]

For the respective classses of cards ofc

[rancid juniper]

Pretty sure months back they said they aren't focusing on the highest end in RDNA4

[devout forum]

We'll need 3rd party coverage for both Blackwell and RDNA4 before saying anything for certain

[rancid juniper]

I hope I'm wrong but that's all I remember

[dusk knot]

Oh right.

[opaque sedge]

They’re gonna focus on competing against the 70ti class and below

[rancid juniper]

It would be nice to a 4090 based AMD GPU that can be priced at 600-700 max

[dusk knot]

Good strategy. That's where most average people fall under

[rancid juniper]

Yea

[devout forum]

But things could get exciting because AMD is actually under pressure with Battlemage it seems

[rancid juniper]

Alot of people are still rocking cards like RTX 3060

[devout forum]

Sometimes I feel like AMD got comfortable lately

[dusk knot]

Right

[devout forum]

I could be wrong or misunderstand but that's what I felt like

[mortal grail]

If the tensor cores of the 50 series amount to actual performance beyond DLSS 4 (The cards are claimed for higher RT perf by a big margin) then no.

If little to nothing? Probably still just trailing

[rancid juniper]

Lol they did

[devout forum]

But RDNA4 is actually seeming to be exciting

Hopefully it will be when it comes out

[opaque sedge]

Yeah ngl but imo it would be sucky that amd decided to not compete for upto the 80 class in the generation nvidia decided to not improve RT perf by much

[rancid juniper]

RX 590 was a thing so we might see something like RX 9080 XTX

[devout forum]

I'm hoping it'll at least be within 80% of 4080 raster

[devout forum]

That's disgusting lmao

[opaque sedge]

Rt isnt a groundbreaking gameplay experience but its super useful for advertisement and marketing thx to the courtesy of nvidia

[devout forum]

Such a stupid name

[rancid juniper]

It is

XFX when X name

[dusk knot]

You sure

Jk

It isn't

[mortal grail]

That's a lotta kisses

[dusk knot]

But when you focus on it, RT is revolutionary

[rancid juniper]

😳

[devout forum]

To be completely honest

RT in theory is a pretty awesome thing

[opaque sedge]

Pls dont snitch on me guys

[mortal grail]

XFX RX 9070 QUIX31X XTX MAGLEV X XXOX

[devout forum]

The issue for it is that raster and "fake lighting" has gotten so good it's very hard to actually beat it for the framerates it gives

90% of the looks, 200% the frames

[dusk knot]

After RT becomes more mature, I hope they can focus on physics and more realistic motion.

[rancid juniper]

Company: "The customer will understand :)"

[devout forum]

I still remember when RT first came in how it was so hard to often distinguish RT lighting from raster lighting

[mortal grail]

Also company: "No those aren't love letters, no they're just bills, don't-
Don't look at the pile"

[rancid juniper]

Mhm XFX I believe it

[opaque sedge]

Customer with dyslexia: MOOM DADD THE LETTERS THEYRE SCARING ME

[dusk knot]

It was bad when you look back

[rancid juniper]

😏

[dusk knot]

But with Path tracing

Soo much better

Wish we started there, but the 20 series wasn't strong enough

[devout forum]

I mean

Again

PT is super cool tech

The 40 series is NOT ready for it

I doubt even the 50 series will be

What's actually exciting to me with the 50 series is the full blownthrough coolers that can be made

That PCB is absolutely tiny

[dusk knot]

With AI(thank you Jensen and your $9000 crocodile leather suit)It's finally doable. I really can't wait for the third party reviews

[devout forum]

9 GRAND???

[dusk knot]

Yeah it's 9 grand

[devout forum]

Thanks I didn't need more reasons to hate Jensen but you added gasoline on that fire

[dusk knot]

Well in the high 8000s

[dusk knot]

Lmao

[mortal grail]

Jensen's jacket gets more shiny with every ray tracing increase

I'm genuinely terrified

He'll be a shiny ball when the 9090 releases

[devout forum]

9090?

I doubt we'll be able to look at him past the 6090

Also you'll need to connect the 6090 directly to the wall with a C19 power plug

[dusk knot]

https://www.tomfordfashion.com/en-us/patent-printed-croc-collar-blouson/5221257028.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_channel=free-shopping&gQT=2

Here it is

Theo could buy one

[mortal grail]

They'll just need a.i to have him for future announcements

He'll be so shiny that the a.i model will be able to stand in to prevent retina burn

[devout forum]

I thought that was a one-off thing made for him

[dusk knot]

Nope

[devout forum]

That's absolutely diabolical

[dusk knot]

He’s a billionaire

Literal pocket change

Not even a penny for him

[devout forum]

I get it, just

It's painful

[dusk knot]

It is

[devout forum]

For someone who has to save several months for a PC to comprehend a jacket that costs 3× the price of our car

That is actually diabolical

[dusk knot]

Right?

I need a new car

[proud jackal]

5090 will fix our lives

[dusk knot]

It will

For the next 2 years

[rancid juniper]

That moment when you're 1hr too early to class

🗿

[dusk knot]

Don’t make it a habit

💀

[rancid juniper]

I won't

[dusk knot]

Get to see our semester just started

[rancid juniper]

Yea

New university for me too

[dusk knot]

How do you like your classes?

[rancid juniper]

It's fine I guess, just gotta lock in this semester

[fresh timber]

I just read 20 different micrometers

[dusk knot]

Same here

[fresh timber]

My head jurts

[rancid juniper]

Lol

[fresh timber]

I will use 5090 for 1440p 240hz if I get the money for one

[rancid juniper]

University so big it's a nice exercise to walk around

[dusk knot]

That’s what I want to do

[fresh timber]

I wish k was in university, I’m stuck being 18 in highschool

[rancid juniper]

But I barely interact, I just go to class and leave

[rancid juniper]

[fresh timber]

If my mom had me 7 days earlier I’d be in college, fun fact

Her: I think you needed the extra year, flip you mom

Now I’m stuck here with kids

[rancid juniper]

You'll get there frfr

[fresh timber]

Also fun fact, I was suppose to be born October 14th

I said nah, September 7th

[dusk knot]

Why are you in such a rush?

I would love to be 18 again

Even though I feel quite the same

Be thankful that you were born

[opaque sedge]

For me i was born almost a month late 💀

[pliant berry]

at least its better than my friend

9/11 baby

[opaque sedge]

My hs had a bunch of those 💀

[fresh timber]

Highschool is painful, that’s why

Don’t treat me my age

[opaque sedge]

Oh ur in for a rude awakening past graduation

Unless u got good supportive parents ofc

[dusk knot]

Oh. I understand. Everyone’s experience is different. I wanted to get out as well

College will be better

[fresh timber]

Yeah

They treat me like I’m one of the kids

[opaque sedge]

College has been hell for me

[fresh timber]

Sir, we are both adults

I can legally leave the building if I wanted

[dusk knot]

Rip

[rancid juniper]

college is better than HS for me but can still be a tad difficult

[dusk knot]

Yes

[rancid juniper]

yesterday i took the whole afternoon finishing season 2 of arcane

should've done my hw

lol

[opaque sedge]

Tbh tho i can imagine college being a great enriching experience if u have a good environment

[fresh timber]

Late

[rancid juniper]

not late yet, due this weekend

[opaque sedge]

And supportive parents

[rancid juniper]

ill do as most as i can today

[velvet summit]

it's practically the weekend

[fresh timber]

Do it now

Do all of it until your cooked

[opaque sedge]

Parents are quite literally like gods to their children if u think abt it they either fill their life with happiness or give them a hard time in life

[fresh timber]

My parents pay for a lot

My mom stopped me from buying a cheap $600 car, she said you know your family will help you right

Kek

$5000 car for me

[velvet summit]

WHERE DO YOU FIND A 600 DOLLAR CAR

[opaque sedge]

Funny thing is the culture i’m from considers parents to be akin to gods cuz they give life and i’m like tru tru cuz they can either make or break your life just like the gods in the stories

[dusk knot]

What did you get for 5 grand?

[fresh timber]

Family

[velvet summit]

used crapboxes start at like 2k

[fresh timber]

Mom said just wait and ask after I graduate e

[dusk knot]

That's not what I meant...what car model did you get for 5 grand?

💀

[opaque sedge]

My mom: “my life sucks and your life sucks but you will grow up to be successful like all the other kids and fix my life right?”

[fresh timber]

Non, I didn’t get money yet

But I am

[dusk knot]

You will. Understood

[fresh timber]

Make it suck less

I want a truck kek

What can go wrong with that

[opaque sedge]

How 💀

[fresh timber]

More money

[brittle lynx]

is it ok if I tape the right half of a pcie to run it 8x instead of 16x?
I'll check carefully which ones have to be covered
question in #cpus-mobo-and-memory

[opaque sedge]

Bad fuel economy high insurance rates tough to drive as a beginner driver

[fresh timber]

Hear me out

Midwest snow

Truck don’t care kek

Now $5k truck? That goin break fast lmfao, but my auto teacher did put me on

[rancid juniper]

is it built tough?

Grows beard

[fresh timber]

Whattttrtr

Idk truck stuff enough

I just know they don’t care about Midwest weather

[rancid juniper]

lol its alr

[fresh timber]

Heavy, bignoffroad tires, snow don’t care

[craggy shoal]

I want one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llnf3Vnzcxs

[rancid juniper]

i've always wanted to try a mini pc

all that power in a tiny package

[craggy shoal]

I want it for self hosting

Would be a paradise for me

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/on-my-way-omw-hurry-hurry-up-winter-gif-7720670673914290370

[rancid juniper]

nice

[mortal grail]

@rancid juniper how is Forza still so bad

[craggy shoal]

It has a 7945HX in it. A whole 16 cores for self hosting ahhhhh

[rancid juniper]

you mean motorsport?

[mortal grail]

The higher I dial my settings the more cpu bound I become

Yes

[rancid juniper]

i feel like my unoptimized assetto corsa graphics settings runs better than forza motorsport

tho thats odd, there's probably a graphics setting that taxes more on your cpu

[mortal grail]

The game says my gpu bound percentage drops every time I increase the settings

And in turn also removes stutters

Which is

????

[rancid juniper]

did your cpu usage go up?

[mortal grail]

No

[rancid juniper]

is gpu staying at 100%?

[mortal grail]

My gpu power went up

Lmao

[rancid juniper]

game is lying then bruh

[mortal grail]

Ikr

[rancid juniper]

just like every other lie before launch

[mortal grail]

But also the stuttering is something stupid

[rancid juniper]

suits them

[mortal grail]

Multiple different pc's, same issue

Still there after a year

The community has abandoned pc for xbox

💀

[craggy shoal]

bruh

[mortal grail]

It's really bad

[pure flax]

Once I filled this 5 gallon bucket with quarters I'm totally upgrading to a RTX 5090 or invest in a crypto mining rig.

[mortal grail]

84 stutters in 60 seconds

[rancid juniper]

that's why i deleted the game long ago, waste of storage and bad game

[mortal grail]

That was my highest

[rancid juniper]

84 stutuututututers???

[mortal grail]

Mhm

And when it says it's not stuttering it still feels like ass

[opaque sedge]

This reminds me of that linus 5090 hands on video

Where he mentioned had one bought nvidia stock worth the price of the 4090 instead of the 4090 during its release today it would be worth over 20grand

[pure flax]

I'm already mining chia at 30 terabytes. At 14cent day.

33 or 34 to be exact

[rancid juniper]

i wonder if you can relieve it using VKD3D + DXVK

[mortal grail]

You know what else provides relief

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

[rancid juniper]

oh boy

lol

[mortal grail]

Dumb game can't run more than 50% gpu utility even at 8K render res deserves it's suffering ended

[icy ore]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in-5000k-gif-20880260

[pure flax]

Added another drive.

[tranquil pebble]

or I can just not buy the games that turn out to be slop

Excellent excuse to not ever preorder

[dusk knot]

@mortal grail are you free?

[opaque sedge]

Man still just two back paddles ig it has extra remappable shoulder bumpers but still i was hoping this would have 4

https://www.reddit.com/r/Controller/s/bsqkFqEWno

[fresh timber]

I have a good idea

What if you turn down your settingd

Lmfao iOS lets me connect to my girlfriends hotspot with out permission

[tranquil pebble]

Cities Skylines 2 runs at about 15 FPS on my 6900 XT... in the main menu There is no excuse for that.

or least it did on launch, have not tried since then

turning down settings will not help if a game is very poorly optimized on CPU usage

[mortal grail]

I have a price

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[dusk knot]

got time to make another build list? lol

[mortal grail]

Ehhhh

[dusk knot]

its fine. im making one myself

[mortal grail]

I'm not keen on blowing up chat again

Lol

[dusk knot]

thats ok

[mortal grail]

If it were my usual flair it'd be alright

But not another "Gramps needs rgb" one

Lol

[dusk knot]

needs to be white, have RGB, and a gpu for video editing

ATX

[tranquil pebble]

RGB gaming sd card

[dusk knot]

with AI

it incorporates DLSB to generate faster read and write speeds

[tranquil pebble]

lol

[dusk knot]

Deep Learning Speed Boost

[tranquil pebble]

7900 XTX is actually a decent AI card apparently

so long as rocm is supported for the workload you do

[dusk knot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6KFCwY

hmm.....

im open to suggestions

[unreal trail]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-chicken-gif-26197609

[dusk knot]

🗿

[mortal grail]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wVnNpK
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-RM750e-Modular-Low-Noise-Supply/dp/B0DMYRN2SF/

[craggy shoal]

Isn't it more of a CPU game? What's your CPU?

[mortal grail]

That game renders every civilian down to the teeth dude

😂

[craggy shoal]

Oh bruh

💀

That's wild

What's even the point of that lmao

[mortal grail]

It was a whole meme lmao

[craggy shoal]

Honestly given today, I'd be happier with "our game can run at 60fps without a bunch of BS that comes with your GPU" than "We put detail down into the NPCs' teeth!"

[unreal trail]

lol

[craggy shoal]

And I guess there's no cauling on that, is there?

[unreal trail]

AI frames will take care of that

[mortal grail]

It apparently has no LOD adjustment

It just exists

[craggy shoal]

bruh

[unreal trail]

some of these devs are goofy

[lone mango]

What a waste of resources

No wonder it runs so poorly

[unreal trail]

modelling the inner parts of these character models like guts and all

[mortal grail]

To me it looks like someone rushed the people in 24 hours

Like "Oh yeah we forgot people"
"Nvidia, generate NPCs please"

And it does but in a normal context not a cities skylines context

[dusk knot]

where did you find that 3080tI?

[mortal grail]

That's roughly the used price

For 1180 if you want a white gpu for editing look at used or go amd and don't use blender

[safe cape]

https://videocardz.com/newz/cooler-master-unveils-innovative-geforce-rtx-50-coolers-exclusive-to-its-prebuilt-pcs

FINALLY

[dusk knot]

o

[unreal trail]

NPC is pregnant and the baby is gestating in real time, what a great use of compute resources

[sinful blade]

What did I come back to

[dusk knot]

i actually have money for a 5080 now

[mortal grail]

"WHY IS MY 4090 SLOWING DOWN TO 20FPS" she's just having the baby in a hospital where no one can see

[unreal trail]

kek

[lone mango]

They should have done slim fans instead

That thing is huge

[mortal grail]

#tech-industry-news you mightn't like the latest post...

Not an amazing sign

Also Derbauer is incredibly dedicated to pixel counting

[rigid sinew]

good morning everyone !

[dusk knot]

gm, naht

i hope youre alright in Cali

[mortal grail]

Wait waht

It's morning in AU

[rigid sinew]

yesss im okay! we havent had to evacuate yet

[dusk knot]

yet...

ok

[rigid sinew]

yeah the air is soooo bad

[mortal grail]

Cali needs more air fresheners

[dusk knot]

if only it was that simple

[rigid sinew]

fr huh

[mortal grail]

Fans?

I have extras

[dusk knot]

that to

[mortal grail]

Just see me standing out on the edge of the forest holding up pc fans like pinwheels

[dusk knot]

@rigid sinew stay safe. if it gets too close, get out of there before the authorities say anything

[mortal grail]

STAY BACK FIRE

I HAVE THE MAGIC OF WIND

[tranquil pebble]

when I last tried, had a 3700x. I have a 5700x3d now

[rigid sinew]

thanks jp! thankfully its still two cities from my moms house and like 4 from mine

[craggy shoal]

Try it again

[tranquil pebble]

5700x3d will be replaced with 9800x3d next month

gotta go fast

[dusk knot]

@mortal grail i can not find a 3080ti for around 450

wait a min....

[mortal grail]

Try r/hardwareswap

3080 12gb is also acceptable

Bit less tho

400?

[tranquil pebble]

3080 Ti going for $1200 is absurd

[dusk knot]

2021 was 4 years ago

[dusk knot]

oh right....

[frigid stag]

I should’ve got a 3090 ti

[fresh timber]

Rocm and good don’t mix

[fresh timber]

I hate you

https://tenor.com/view/toh-owl-house-amity-august-2026-gif-13626455050658610001

[tranquil pebble]

works fine on my 6900xt

[mortal grail]

Probably the last chance they're remotely worth if you can find one near 650-700

[tranquil pebble]

You need to use Linux for rocm. Rocm and Windows don't mix.

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-mental-breakdown-on-floor-gif-27026753

[frigid stag]

Wdym last chance

Don’t they get cheaper over time

[lone mango]

Meanwhile its snowing in the south

[tranquil pebble]

February gonna be crazy. Bocchi fumo and 9800x3d.

[mortal grail]

Until tariffs hit

[wise wigeon]

ngl that 9800x3d bundle not looking awful

[wise wigeon]

just dunno if i wanna splurge on a board, also still dunno if i wanna go matx or atx

[wise wigeon]

wish i just sprung onn it when it was readily available so i could just have it in a week or two

[tranquil pebble]

I can wait

especially if it means I dont pay scalpers

[wise wigeon]

last i checked the backorder was end of march

[tranquil pebble]

oh good thing I jumped on it

[wise wigeon]

well

yeah

[tranquil pebble]

least I got a spot in line so to speak

[wise wigeon]

are you going for a new gpu too?

[tranquil pebble]

backorder > paying scalper

[wise wigeon]

yeah and you can cancel if you get it on bestbuy or something

[tranquil pebble]

eventually. 6900 XT is enough for now

[wise wigeon]

like my 3080 is fine

but i do feel its age in some games

[dusk knot]

Loll

[tranquil pebble]

sub 16 GB VRAM?

[wise wigeon]

i was not expecting wukong and mh wilds to run that badly

[tranquil pebble]

if so that is why

hopefully those games get optimized more in updates

[wise wigeon]

shouldn't really im on 1440p and when looking at the metrics its not maxing the memory

[lone mango]

Probably vram

Both of those games are demaning

[tranquil pebble]

We need demos back fr just to see if a game runs well or not before purchase

[wise wigeon]

wilds just kinda ran poorly on a lot of machines

[lone mango]

There are two metrics

[tranquil pebble]

might be CPU spikes then

[lone mango]

Vram usage but also the amount of vram it wants to use up

[wise wigeon]

mh usually has demos close to release I guess its just a beta this time

[lone mango]

Sometimes it will want to use more vram but cant

[wise wigeon]

for wilds i'm thinking its more of a cpu thing

considering how cpu intensive the engine seems to be

[lone mango]

Yeah they suck at optimizing

[wise wigeon]

world wasn't very good on release either

[tranquil pebble]

if a game lags on a 9800x3d + 6900 XT in 1080p that is going to be a clear proof of BAD optimization...

[unreal trail]

[tranquil pebble]

and by bad I mean horrible

[wise wigeon]

10700k is fine but not as good for me now

porb pass it and the mobo off to my brother on a 3400g

[tranquil pebble]

idk what 5700x3d intel equivalent is

[wise wigeon]

i mean 7600x is already like 5000series x3d tier iirc

intel, no idea

[frigid stag]

Ye but they don’t make them anymore do they

3090 ti is from 2022

[wise wigeon]

I wonder if i really need the 9800x3d but I mean i rather just splurrge on it on not upgrade the cpu for forever

[mortal grail]

If it gives performance that's more enticing than the market at the price it sells, then more will buy it until the price goes up

If everything new goes up then so does used

[tranquil pebble]

9800x3d is really good value if you get at MSRP

[wise wigeon]

yeah 7800x3d is just a bad deal rn

[mortal grail]

The saving grace here would be the performance gains of next gen are huge enough to offset the prices

[tranquil pebble]

CPUs of this tier gaming performance used to cost like $999... even before inflation

[wise wigeon]

if it was like 350 7800x3d would be a decent choice

[mortal grail]

Which...won't happen really

[tranquil pebble]

RIP Intel extreme editions, you will not be missed

[wise wigeon]

but only $30 off 9800x3d msrp is a rough sell

[frigid stag]

Ah i see

I’ll try get one now then

Either that or 6900xt

[wise wigeon]

ima probably go 5080

[frigid stag]

I can return the 6900xt if 5070 ends up being faster

[wise wigeon]

hopefully the stock aint too bad

[mortal grail]

Between those two 6900XT looks way more attractive

Lol

[frigid stag]

I see one new for 540, they used to be cheaper

[fresh timber]

Chat, I saw something crazy, dudes in his phone while driving.. but not one phone.. he’s on twitter

[mortal grail]

Ye

[frigid stag]

If it was 499 I’d insta buy that

New xt

[tranquil pebble]

and then some people will keep buying anyways no matter the price (looking at Nvidia fanboys)

[frigid stag]

I could always return it if 5070 ends up being faster

If it does nvidia fan boys won’t let me hear the end of it

[wise wigeon]

I'm just not a fan of fanboys on either side

[fresh timber]

Goose

Me or LeBron

[mortal grail]

The most interesting change for 50 series is of all things software lmao

[tranquil pebble]

neither am I. I go with whoever provides perf per dollar at a given tier

and lately that has been AMD

[wise wigeon]

reddit has a a crazy hatred of nvidia that is irrational at times

[tranquil pebble]

I hate Nvidia pricing, not Nvidia itself

[wise wigeon]

and anyone who doesnt glaze amd is a hater

[craggy shoal]

I hate Nvidia because of their pricing

[craggy shoal]

That's something an AMD glazer would say

[tranquil pebble]

I would rather glaze donuts

[wise wigeon]

like some people still have geniune driver issues with amd and look for help and they just get a "user error" or a "works for me"

like no drivers are flawless and amd still has its issues

i was having some on my brother build

[tranquil pebble]

Nvidia has driver issues at times too

[wise wigeon]

they definitely do

[fresh timber]

Do I?

[fresh timber]

Glaze up

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zK2zv4

Do I

[wise wigeon]

no company is free of software issues

[fresh timber]

GeForce 65090

[velvet summit]

https://fixvx.com/mc_swm/status/1877162857789325424

[tranquil pebble]

some just have more than others

Microsoft is pretty uh infamous for software bugs

especially with that last Windows 11 build

[wise wigeon]

from personal experience i've had less with nvidia, but i've had 2 amd cards and 1 nvidia card so

not fair completely

and those were darker times for amd

[tranquil pebble]

it varies between Linux and Windows too

[wise wigeon]

yeah

nvidia blows for linux

[tranquil pebble]

You would have to drag me kicking and screaming back to using Windows as my main OS.

[wise wigeon]

i mean could be worse

[tranquil pebble]

Its horribly bloated and inefficient at this point

[wise wigeon]

still bad but its not the worst windows version i've used

then again i liked 8.1 so

[tranquil pebble]

Windows ME probably will not ever be bested for Worst Windows version ever

[wise wigeon]

8 was pretty rough early on

[tranquil pebble]

and if it ever is I will be shocked (and disgusted)

[tranquil pebble]

it was nowhere even remotely close to ME territory

[wise wigeon]

microsoft is well known for screwing up though

i mean they really cant win on so many fronts

game pass is nice but they are getting crapped on by PS rn

[tranquil pebble]

ME should have never existed. Its the only version of Windows I truly feel that about.

[wise wigeon]

would not be surprised if the ps5 pro outsold the x and s series this holiday

[tranquil pebble]

PS5 Pro is king of bad value console

[wise wigeon]

it really is

[devout forum]

Nah

[wise wigeon]

and what the drives are scalped rn

[devout forum]

That's the new Series X Special Edition

[wise wigeon]

oh the 2 tb one?

[devout forum]

It's the same Series X with a galaxy paintjob

Ye

It costs a lot more than base

[wise wigeon]

proprietory ssds are not the way xbox

[devout forum]

When I can literally just get an extra SSD and a 3rd party skin for a fraction of the cost

But yes PS5 Pro is bad value

[wise wigeon]

isnt the 1tb something like $150

expansion card

[devout forum]

It's something stupid ye

[tranquil pebble]

glorified memory cards

that era should stay dead

[wise wigeon]

mwhile with that moeny you can get like a extra premium 2 tb nvme

isn't like the 990 pro 170 for 2 tb?

[tranquil pebble]

$119 got me a premium 2 TB NVMe lol

it was on sale though

[devout forum]

You can get a 4tb 2280 Gen 4 drive for 170

[lone mango]

True but amd really got it together a while ago

I barely ever had issues

[wise wigeon]

together compared to the past

[devout forum]

It might not be premium tier but like "premium tier" barely matters with a Gen4 SSD

[lone mango]

I guess I lucked out because I never had driver issues even back then

[wise wigeon]

i had too many

[lone mango]

Or because I got the rx 580 in 2018 which came out close to 2 years prior to when I did my first build

Maybe drivers matured

[devout forum]

Unironically my 6700XT rig is significantly better with drivers than my old nVidia laptop was

Tbf that was a 940M so maybe that's why it sucked all the time

[wise wigeon]

ngl i hope 9000series is goood but im not holding my breath

[lone mango]

I think it will be good

[wise wigeon]

people believe leaks too readily

and ign is the last media company i would trust

[lone mango]

I was talking to my friends on what I think it will cost and what do you say, this leaker put out $480

[devout forum]

I mean consider just the price alone

[lone mango]

I was like no way

[wise wigeon]

idk i just wanna temper my expectations

[lone mango]

[devout forum]

They're saying it's gonna be priced close to a 7800XT

[lone mango]

I was saying that a couple days prior

[lone mango]

[wise wigeon]

because amd never misses an oppurtunity to miss an oppurtunity

[devout forum]

If it does like 20% more than a 7800XT in performance then it's already a win

[lone mango]

sotru...

[wise wigeon]

like even if they wanted to wait for nvidia to do pricing

[devout forum]

I'm oddly hopeful

[wise wigeon]

if it was truly impressive like leaks say, they would said more than they did

[tranquil pebble]

40-class is trash tier

[lone mango]

Its gonna be like gre/xt

Between there

[devout forum]

It was a 40-tier MOBILE chip too kek

I don't think that had more than 4 gigs of VRAM

[wise wigeon]

just like people trying to extrapolate performance for 50 series by pixel counting

[lone mango]

Maybe in the middle between gre and xt and closer to 7900 xt

[devout forum]

But 9 years ago that was passable enough that I didn't really care

[tranquil pebble]

💀

[wise wigeon]

like bruv what is this early game theory

[devout forum]

The 1030 is how old exactly?

Like 8 or 9 years?

[wise wigeon]

so old

[tranquil pebble]

it loses to a 275 though XD

[devout forum]

It's a mobile chip from a decade ago

[lone mango]

Which 1030 is that though

[devout forum]

It served me for 9 years

[lone mango]

There were two models

[devout forum]

I think we can cut it some slack

[tranquil pebble]

gddr5 version

[devout forum]

It even played Fallout 4 (kind of)

[wise wigeon]

wasnt there like a 1 and 3 gb 1030

[lone mango]

Wow

[devout forum]

940M had hands like 8 years ago

Buuuut that was 8 years ago

It still works technically too!

Just
It's dog slow

[wise wigeon]

omg the gt 1030 had a sddr4 variant

[devout forum]

Yes !

[lone mango]

Yeah

[wise wigeon]

my hd 7750 worked for a long time too

lol

and my brothers gtx 750 ti

[tranquil pebble]

4090 loses to 7900 XTX in fp16 compute apparently

[wise wigeon]

the gigabyte 9800x3d bundle isnt too bad looking

i just dunno how good it is

[tranquil pebble]

and fp64

[wise wigeon]

because review quality is so varied

i mean the xtx beat it in bo6 too

which is the benchmark ign is waving around

[tranquil pebble]

XTX is a monster for its price

[wise wigeon]

i mean its what only 30% off the 4090 in performance?

for half the price

[lone mango]

I think rn its even less than half

[wise wigeon]

you cant really get 4090s rn

[lone mango]

Yeah its like a 4080 so between 20-30%

[wise wigeon]

and the cheapest xtx is the blower card

at like 870

in december i hesitated on the xtx because i was worried

[lone mango]

rdna 3 blower is crazy

[wise wigeon]

heard some models have some truly awful coil wine

[elfin mural]

5070 is a joke

[lone mango]

I think reference card was pretty bad too

[wise wigeon]

and saphire is way overpriced

[elfin mural]

all it did was add 200 cudas

new vram

[wise wigeon]

nitro+ is something like 1100 rn

[elfin mural]

more tdp

[sweet phoenix]

Dude don't forget

It has better dlss so it gets as many frames as the 4090

[elfin mural]

true

[sweet phoenix]

Smh

[elfin mural]

my bad

[tough parcel]

Hi

[lone mango]

Wow r5 7600 at microcenter for 170

[wise wigeon]

was that raw 4090 vs featured kitted out 5070 or feature kitted for both

[elfin mural]

cpu

or GPU

[devout forum]

Honestly if the 5070 had 16 gigs
I'd unironically consider it for purchase

[lone mango]

cpu

[elfin mural]

not launching yet tho

tariffs will ruin the price

[tough parcel]

Hi

[devout forum]

For 1440p lol

[wise wigeon]

4k monitors too expensive for my needs anyway

1440p hella cheap now

[devout forum]

1440p is the place to be rn honestly

[lone mango]

What are you playing on 1440p that is taking up 16g

[wise wigeon]

even a nicer dell one is what $150

[devout forum]

Both with displays and GPUs

[elfin mural]

5070 is my least favorite nvidia gpu rn

[wise wigeon]

we havent seen anything about it yet

[lone mango]

Is that how bad new games are rn

[devout forum]

Nothing currently
But modded Skyrim and Fallout could hit it

[elfin mural]

but reading specs

[devout forum]

Also longevity

[elfin mural]

i know it'll be bad

[wise wigeon]

specs arent 1:1

[devout forum]

I don't wanna dump a bunch of money every year or two on a new GPU

[elfin mural]

but blackwell is a refresh of ada

there's not gonna be much improvements

im.. expecting 5-10% difference

[wise wigeon]

personally ima just wait for stuff from reliable outlets to come out before i judge too hard

[lone mango]

So there might be a 10% tariff on these gpus

[wise wigeon]

okay thats a lil too conservative

[elfin mural]

the thing is

[lone mango]

Honesly not as bad as i thought

[elfin mural]

4070 super is $50 more

$549 vs 600

and the 4070s has 1000 more cudas

compared to 5070

[devout forum]

The issue with the 5070 is that it was already killed by this fake "4090 PeRfOrMaNcE fOr 600" marketing BS

[lone mango]

I think the 5070 would be comparable to the 4070s

[elfin mural]

doubt it

1000 cuda less

50w more tdp compared to 4070 sure

[devout forum]

Irregardless of the actual performance it will forever be tainted as a scam by that BS

[elfin mural]

how much will that help?

[lone mango]

Yeah but the node is different

What about clocks

[elfin mural]

how much will gddr7 help?

[devout forum]

Nope!

It is
The exact same mfg node

[elfin mural]

^

blackwell is a refresh of ada

[devout forum]

It's quite literally just a power blasting refresh with a bunch of AI slop marketing BS

[lone mango]

What I thought they went from 5 to 4

[elfin mural]

nope

that's 30 to 40

[worn wave]

10% minimum, Trump wants do do higher for China

[lone mango]

30 was 8

[wise wigeon]

going down further with tsmc is hella expensive

[elfin mural]

ok looks like node is actually changed

[lone mango]

I guess it depends where it comes from

[elfin mural]

4N to 4NP

[worn wave]

Pretty sure GPUs are all from china

[lone mango]

Some have moved

[elfin mural]

but it's a node developed for hopper

so nothing new

i wonder if it will lead to ipc changes

[lone mango]

I think so

[elfin mural]

possibly

maybe im being too harsh about it

but we'll see

[wise wigeon]

thought gpus were mostly taiwan

[lone mango]

Yeah but I get it

They are doing multiple things but it adds up to an overall improvement

[elfin mural]

will the new node, 200 extra cudas, gddr7 and 50w more tdp be enough to offset the 1000 cuda difference with the 4070s?

im curious

and also skeptical lmao

[lone mango]

I guess you could kinda say its like radeon 7?

[elfin mural]

ig

[wise wigeon]

remember polaris

[worn wave]

Yeah the chip foundry is there but I think the GPUs are constructed and imported from china. Not sure

[lone mango]

Companies are moving

[wise wigeon]

depends on manufactuer

[elfin mural]

chips are from china

but gpus are either made in china or taiwan

[wise wigeon]

isnt gigabyte and msi taiwan based

[elfin mural]

uh

i meant chips are from taiwan

yeah, those are taiwanese companes

asus as well

[lone mango]

I forgot who it was that moved to Malaysia

[elfin mural]

tsmc just opened a new fab this year tho

in japan

[wise wigeon]

tsmc has one in arizona too

[elfin mural]

already on its way to build another one

[lone mango]

Arizona fab too but I dont think they are doing the top of the line nodes like 4np

[wise wigeon]

but i heard there was staffing issues?

i mean gpus aint even eeating up the high end chips

isnt apple eating all that up

[elfin mural]

yes

and nvidia's server gpus

or rather, ai gpus

[tranquil pebble]

GPUs could increase in cost by up to 100% apparently. If that happens, gaming market in the US will be dead

[wise wigeon]

which i mean considering price of those things it makes sense

[wise wigeon]

i mean the dude constantly back pedals stuff

didn't he want to ban tiktok like 10 times?

[wraith fern]

Chip??? Those are from my lunch box

🤤

[tranquil pebble]

I'd rather not get into the politics of it

[elfin mural]

all in all

[wraith fern]

No way

Joker v joker

😮

[elfin mural]

tariffs are increasing tech prices

[wise wigeon]

its the driving force behind the tarrifs so its really hard to avoid

[tranquil pebble]

potentially by up to double

[tranquil pebble]

yeah but we can still stick to discussion of the possible effects

[elfin mural]

midrange pc? $2000

[wise wigeon]

man i thought i was crazy when i was putting together my build in pcpartpicker

then i realized with inflation

the prospective 5080 build i have is like cheaper than my 3080 build

by like 200 dollars too

[lone mango]

Hopium

[lone mango]

I think it was zotac

[wise wigeon]

tf are b650m so expensive rn

might as well get x670 or x870 at this rate

[lone mango]

Or just get b650

[wise wigeon]

its also relatively espensive

a b650m K from gigabyte is 142 rn

[lone mango]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FFdMnQ/asrock-b850m-pro-a-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b850m-pro-a-wifi

New board for 140 sounds good to me

[wise wigeon]

not out yet

in about a week

[elfin mural]

cheap

considering it has pcie 5

[wise wigeon]

is b850 not all pcie 5 now?

[elfin mural]

yes it is

i like that

pcie 5 on b series

[lone mango]

Also 3 m.2

[elfin mural]

wow

[lone mango]

Asrock kinda the goat ngl

[elfin mural]

yeah

[lone mango]

Werent they the first to do bios rgb

I remember that was a big thing back then

[elfin mural]

yep

[lone mango]

Now I think other boards do it too

[elfin mural]

165hz 1080p monitors are $99 again

[lone mango]

Thats crazy

[wise wigeon]

i keep trying to convince my brothters bro

i mean decent dell 1440p is 150 rn

[lone mango]

Also they have a lot of vrm for the price too

So on that newegg listing there is a cheaper b850 board and it has good vrm too
https://www.newegg.com/p/13-162-200?Item=13-162-200&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

[wise wigeon]

wasnt budget b650 vrms like doodoo

[elfin mural]

not really

tolerable

[lone mango]

It depends

[elfin mural]

$120

[lone mango]

Thats why I like hardware unboxed

[elfin mural]

wew

[lone mango]

Yeah fr

[elfin mural]

asrock goat

this bad boy is a great board for am5

[lone mango]

I wonder if that board will fit in my nr200

[wise wigeon]

nr200 is itx aint it?

[lone mango]

Because it can take some matx

[lone mango]

Yeah but it can take some matx

[elfin mural]

not sure

it looks barebones enough to fit

ig

[dusk knot]

Me too but over a thousand dollars

[wise wigeon]

?

[wise wigeon]

io is barebones af

that is like less than itx io

[lone mango]

Remember its a new chipset for 120 inflation dollars

6 rear plus 2 front is still plenty

[elfin mural]

good enough

[lone mango]

Oh plus wifi

No wifi is 110

[elfin mural]

that's more than i would hope for at 120

not just wifi

wifi 6e

[lone mango]

Yeah seriously

[lone mango]

Bro what

Nah they cookin

[elfin mural]

yep

[wise wigeon]

wasnt the A620I Lightning WiFi a similar price

[lone mango]

Maybe at launch

[wise wigeon]

rn its oos

swear i saw a sub 100 deal in decenber

[lone mango]

Oh it literally says 6e on the first picture

[elfin mural]

lol

[lone mango]

Dude I might actually buy this when I go am5

[wise wigeon]

a620i was 120 in november and december

[lone mango]

Well thanks for making me look at boards cuz now I found something crazy

[wise wigeon]

i mean the asrock lightning is a crazy a620

specced out for the price

[lone mango]

Wait a minute I think I know the lightning

I was talking about that b850 tho

Didnt they put a 7950x on the lightning

[wise wigeon]

kinda nice for a a620 itx

8-2-1

6e

2 2280 m.2 slots

wasnt the tradeoff for a620 minimal over b650

[dusk knot]

My 3080ti build is cheaper than a decent 5080 one

[wise wigeon]

a used 3080 ti?

and define decent

[dusk knot]

Mid high specs

Like the second best in all departments

[wise wigeon]

my build was somethin like 1800-1900 in 2020

which is almost 2400 now

wait its 2300

still

if i have a 3080 ti instead of a 3080 it would been like 300 more in 2021

cmoparing used and new isnt a very fair comparison

some people get hella lucky with used

[dusk knot]

Hmm

Yes

[lone mango]

Bro what

This guy is selling a rx 7600 for $220

It shows 250 sold

Where is bro getting these

[wise wigeon]

like this is not exactly what i'd buy but its reasonablehttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/LPZqdb

adjusting for inflations thats like a 1700ish build in 2020

[lone mango]

The dollar has fallen, billions must crypto

Those who bitcoin:

[frigid stag]

Very good deal for the time

My gpu alone was somewhat close to that 😭

[nocturne flicker]

Ah yes crypto. Isn't it fun when an imaginary coin you use as currency loses 30% of the value over night because some ding dong said something

Surely a good choice to rely on

[pliant berry]

speaking of which, I think I saw something about the btc funds seized from sr were cleared to be sold

[nocturne flicker]

It'd be funny if they sold it all at once and btc crashes

[pliant berry]

idk how much was seized but apparently their transactions totaled to 9m btc or something stupid

[elfin mural]

https://youtu.be/5AEESj1sdj8

this is cool

[nocturne flicker]

It was 69.37k bitcoin

[pliant berry]

they should give me 1 for free

[nocturne flicker]

Though apparently the next admin is promising to never sell any crypto

Need to protect the crypto bros afterall

So it is going to just sit around for 4 years doing nothing

[sweet phoenix]

I currently own $9 of bitcoin

So i need it to shoot up to like 2 billion per btc

[wise wigeon]

I bought a 2070 super and did the evga step up

Man I miss evga

[frigid stag]

Same

[wise wigeon]

My model is a ftw3 ultra

It’s a chonker

At least it was a chonker back in the day

Now it’s just average lol

300mm is like reasonable nowadays

[tranquil pebble]

3000mm however is not reasonable

[wise wigeon]

A 3m GPU would be yes

[unreal trail]

Hey you guuuuuuuuuuuuys

[pliant berry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goonies-hey-you-guys-hey-hello-happy-gif-3555841

[lone mango]

fr

[fresh timber]

bruh

do i buy a new cpu now

[misty sparrow]

yes

[fresh nova]

F boys F’s in the chat for Roger the rat.

[worn wave]

Curious how selling 30tb of drives and investing the money would stack up to 14c/day

[fresh timber]

we thinking 7700xt?

[idle nexus]

Sponsorblock

great compliment to uBlockOrigin

Linus was about to be like, "blah blah segue to our sponsor" but then it magically skipped it lol

[idle nexus]

"We kindly suggest you figure it out cuz it's not our problem" lol

[fresh timber]

give me 7700x plz

[idle nexus]

are you using 13th/14th?

lol I don't even have one sorry

[fresh timber]

yes

[idle nexus]

did you update your motherboard's BIOS to latest so it has the new microcode?

I was gonna do that but in my infinite wisdom, I ripped the IHSs off my 13600K & 13900KS so I can't RMA anyway rendering it pointless lol

[fresh timber]

of course, why woudlnt i?

[idle nexus]

but anyway, if you already updated the BIOS to latest microcode & it's still borking out, the damage has already been done & your best bet is likely RMA

[fresh timber]

my cpu should have problems so they give me a 14600kf

[idle nexus]

Unreal Engine is a great way to stress test for all that Intel 13/14th instability

[lone mango]

Its just saying that because they dont know if you did or not

[idle nexus]

I've been meaning to get some glue to put the IHS back on my 13900KS & see if I can get RMA lol

[fresh timber]

offtopic but

[lone mango]

Game sees 13th gen and tells you that

[idle nexus]

I put a 13600K in my son's system & PalWorld (UE) kept crashing

[fresh timber]

FANTASTIC

mhh

[idle nexus]

so I ended up using 5900x in it even tho 13600K is probably better for gaming

[fresh timber]

s5900

id trade my cpu in for a 5900x

and am4 platform

i can reuse my wam too

[idle nexus]

eventually I wanna throw a 5700x3d in there for him

[lone mango]

better choice

[idle nexus]

I don't actually know for sure that my 13900KS is borked but the way I've treated it, it's hard to imagine it wouldn't be

holy crap

I've been beating down this HD7970 for a few days

[fresh timber]

my server has a worst motherboard but its am4

[idle nexus]

I just randomly got like 200 points higher on TimeSpy

poor little feller

[fresh timber]

lol

mhh im thinking 5700x3d in a a320m, what could go wrong

would be funny if my server became my new gaming pc and i just had my gaming pc on for show

[idle nexus]

with vBIOS editor I changed power limit from 300 to 525w; changed max GPU Core voltage from 1.3 to 1.4; & memory voltage from max 1.5 to 1.7v

[fresh timber]

im waitng for new $400 gpus that beat the 7700xt

5070 being a little more is on the table rn

[craggy shoal]

Update your BIOS

[fresh timber]

did u read

anything in chat

[craggy shoal]

no

who does that?

[fresh timber]

notibly the part where i said im updated

[craggy shoal]

no didn't read that

but you should update your BIOS

stinky

[lone mango]

This is crazy
https://a.co/d/0VFZJQm

[rigid sinew]

has anyone watched elementary

[dusk knot]

I bought this case a few weeks ago. It's good to build in

10/10 would recommend

[nocturne flicker]

Mmm. Best day of work. Three customers at the window and I am now on lunch

[idle nexus]

what's that?

[rigid sinew]

tv show

its so goo d

[fresh timber]

Cost too much

I’m good

Ill buy lian li a3 instead

[idle nexus]

set like VCORE voltage offset in BIOS

or download XTU to do it (tbh not really recommended) in Windows

[idle nexus]

eh lately I've seen Mr. Beast's pretend Squid Games thing & that's about it

I'm boring & usually watch hardware news ngl lol

[rigid sinew]

watch alien resident and this show

theyre both good

[hoary zodiac]

Watch Babylon 5

[fresh timber]

I’m alr uv lol from bios

[idle nexus]

Alien Resident? is that about like extraterrestrials or um, something that might be a little controversial to suggest? lol

[rigid sinew]

resident alien *

[idle nexus]

well if you're undervolting, that might be why lol

[dusk knot]

Great show

[rigid sinew]

lolol sorry i forgot its backwards but no its a comedy show about aliens from different planet lol