general-chat

[fresh nova]

@misty sparrow We need 5090 Pepe emoji holding the sign up like the 3090 one

[misty sparrow]

uhh yeah

we do

why are you tagging me about it though

[proud jackal]

make one

[fresh nova]

You’re the meme God

[misty sparrow]

fair enough

[fresh nova]

I’m not wrong

[opaque sedge]

Make him look bankrupt as well

[misty sparrow]

gonna make a copy rq

[opaque sedge]

Or homeless

[misty sparrow]

I don't edit memes, I just steal them

besides the cardboard sign probably does a good enough job

[proud jackal]

[misty sparrow]

i'll do it tomorrow

im tired

[hoary zodiac]

Imagine what the new bad value pcs are gonna be

RTX 5090, NZXT, Corsair Vengeance, 9950X3D

Someone WILL make this exact build at some point and I will point at them and laugh

[misty sparrow]

someone mods noctua fans into the 5090

[orchid hound]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Strix-Gaming-Monitor-XG27AQDMG/dp/B0CZWM44QP

It's a crisp 100 more than a 5070

But oled

[misty sparrow]

sorry not doing oled

[orchid hound]

Yes someone will

[misty sparrow]

maybe i'll wait for deals

[orchid hound]

Hawk tuah

[orchid hound]

Rn it's goated ngl

[fresh nova]

:3090:

[hoary zodiac]

you did not just bring that into the server

[orchid hound]

Future is Def oled

[fresh timber]

5070 with a 1080p

hawktuah or noc tuah

[orchid hound]

Sorry nawk tuah

Blow on that thang

[hoary zodiac]

Is 2025 newegg going to be brain rot now

[misty sparrow]

I can't wait to play Borderlands 4 and use an SMG called the "Hawk-2A"

[hoary zodiac]

TAKE ME BACK TO 2024

[fresh timber]

talk tuah podcast

[paper verge]

2k for a 5090

Crazy

[misty sparrow]

i can purchase a bunch of cool things for a 2k that are cooler than 5090

like uhh

hmm

if i did anime this would be easy

[hoary zodiac]

Like a 5080 AND the rest of the pc

[orchid hound]

https://www.amazon.com/AOC-AG276QZD2-Tournament-2560x1440-Compatible/dp/B0D682HF6R

Found oled for the price of a 5070

[paper verge]

Yeah lol what's with with the price gaps

[devout forum]

Allegedly it has flicker problems

So just beware if you buy

[orchid hound]

Yeah nah im broke

[hoary zodiac]

ngreedia moment

[paper verge]

Bro 5070 is a good deal

[orchid hound]

I'm spending a whole 380 on my upgrade

[devout forum]

So am I for now lol

[hoary zodiac]

Ehhh

[devout forum]

But I have a proper job now

[hoary zodiac]

I'd wait until the GN and HWUB reviews come out

[devout forum]

I'll be making 700 dollars a month

[hoary zodiac]

I don't trust nvidia

[paper verge]

Fair

[devout forum]

I can save up

[orchid hound]

Anw good night yall

I should be waking up at this time

[devout forum]

Sleep well

[hoary zodiac]

night?

[orchid hound]

More like good morning chat

[fresh timber]

what does this mean

[orchid hound]

Alright cya

[orchid hound]

Stop shooting your teammated

That's what it means

[fresh timber]

ooo

thats why they are mad

[paper verge]

Its asking you to kill friendlies

For rewards

[opaque sedge]

Guys yk what was ironic abt today’s keynote

[hoary zodiac]

AI AI AI AI

[mortal grail]

I can't derive anything from that graph cos the numbers make no sense

[opaque sedge]

Nvidia seems to have likely inflated their performance claims with upscaling tech and fg so basically no pure raster

[mortal grail]

It's weird

[proud jackal]

TALLER BAR GOOD

[hoary zodiac]

Use the chain rule

[lone mango]

Since the 5080 has the same value as the 5090, the 5090 is pointless imo

[opaque sedge]

But the jacket jensen was wearing prolly had more raster than any of the cards he unveiled

[mortal grail]

They're claiming 50fps in wukong at 4k max, but the 4090 does that

[opaque sedge]

Did you see how many polygons that thing had?!?

[lone mango]

Only people who do actual work should get it

[mortal grail]

I couldn't derive any of the others either

[opaque sedge]

Look at those polygons on his jacket

[proud jackal]

TALLER BAR GOOD

[mortal grail]

I think we have another case of misleading performance from nvidia

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

Means nothing without actual numbers

[hoary zodiac]

Ngreedia do a lil trolling

[opaque sedge]

More raster than any geforce card has experienced since dlss

[lone mango]

Bro pulled up with the nuclear reactor

[hoary zodiac]

Never trust official releases

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

Intel nvidia and amd have been lying to us for years

[paper verge]

Talking about lyinh

[hoary zodiac]

Especially the "8" "core" fiasco

[opaque sedge]

Jensen’s jacket’s got more rasterized textures than his gpus

[paper verge]

Apple....

[mortal grail]

No, intel and amd have fixed their ways

Nvidia still pulling bs

[fresh nova]

I'm on to something here

[hoary zodiac]

So it's just misleading marketing now

[fresh nova]

This is draft 1

[paper verge]

Ooh today is ces rightM

[lone mango]

Bro it really is over, I thought arc would save me but I have a 5600 rn

[hoary zodiac]

Get a 7900XTX for $300 when 50 series drops

[hoary zodiac]

Maybe $500

[opaque sedge]

I will go bald if this real 😭

[proud jackal]

WITH DLSS 4 AND MULTIFRAME GEN

[lone mango]

That’s really good value but im not tryna drop that much

[paper verge]

4090 performance is hella vague lol

[mortal grail]

Finally got a clock speed number

[lone mango]

Perfect

[paper verge]

Apple said the same with their arm processor i9 performance lol

[opaque sedge]

Yeah def inflated performance claim with upsalers and fg

Plus they tripled the amount of frames their fg tool generates for the 50 series

Sooo

I assume their claim is based on very isolated scenarios

[lone mango]

Trying to make up for how much they cut the cores on the rest of their models

[paper verge]

They had a 30w tdp on the i9

[lone mango]

[paper verge]

Bruh

[fresh nova]

Getting closer

[opaque sedge]

Now he needs to look impoverished

With a stained white tank top perhaps?

[hoary zodiac]

"CPU is 9800X3D"

[lone mango]

Ah so they have what’s basically lossless scaling but on the gpu

[hoary zodiac]

I've seen this one before...

[lone mango]

Thats what the 4x is

[mortal grail]

Hahahaha

[lone mango]

Its over for game optimization

[mortal grail]

Ok yeah it's a paper launch guys

The real msrp is the overseas one

AU has it at 2500 usd

[frigid stag]

Just get founders edition

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-meme-use-your-head-gif-7723689

[mortal grail]

2K is just to avoid the commentary

It's going to go up

Did some vague math too

[hoary zodiac]

And the aftermarket models are going to be 3K

Imagine a 3K MSI Ventus

[fresh nova]

Thoughts?

[hoary zodiac]

💩💀💩💀

[mortal grail]

Theoretically speaking that 5090 can be "up to" 50% faster in pure performance

[hoary zodiac]

Ngreedia

Smh

[mortal grail]

Where's the amd or intel one

[fresh nova]

lol

[hoary zodiac]

This was commenting on the 5090 btw not the pepe

[fresh nova]

I am drafting one at a time here ppl

This is hard work

[hoary zodiac]

Pepe is good

[mortal grail]

The clocks are lower on the 5090 vs the 4090 so the refresh spec is not going to hit the same clocks I don't think

[fresh nova]

https://tenor.com/view/easy-allies-eza-michael-huber-huber-sweat-gif-26098627

[mortal grail]

Clocks will be lower but circumvented by die density

[hoary zodiac]

Would be really funny if the 4090 outperforms the 5090

[mortal grail]

It won't

It's definitely faster

But given die density and clock specs

[lone mango]

5090 core is huge bruh

[mortal grail]

I reckon the most it'll be in raw performance is probably 40%

Over 4090

[opaque sedge]

Man i hope 5070 testings come out soon

[fresh timber]

im doing super good

[opaque sedge]

Kind of a nervous wreck rn

[hoary zodiac]

Scalpers gonna get all of it

[nocturne flicker]

Why

[mortal grail]

5070 is dreaming for 4090 numbers. That's definitively dlss 4

[hoary zodiac]

You want the aftermarket models too

Not the reference models

[nocturne flicker]

It is just gpu, no need to be nervous wreck

[hoary zodiac]

It's a long wait

[nocturne flicker]

Calm

[lone mango]

Yeah they pulling another one of those

Its copr

Cope

[hoary zodiac]

It's gonna be ages before you can actually buy it

[devout forum]

Question

[lone mango]

Remember the twice as fast as a 3090 thing or whatever it was

[hoary zodiac]

Imagine if Radeon just shows up with a new gpu and does the same thing

[devout forum]

Ignoring any architecture changes

[opaque sedge]

Isolated scenarios with upscalers and fg

[devout forum]

How much slower would a 5080 be compared to a 4080?

[mortal grail]

The 4070ti being 3-4x over 3090ti yeah I remember ☠️

[lone mango]

Bro I lowkey think they will

[devout forum]

Just from the cut cores

[mortal grail]

It's faster

[devout forum]

Oh?

[lone mango]

Yeah thats what it was

[devout forum]

Do they just blast power?

[lone mango]

Same thing here

[mortal grail]

50 series is refreshed ada lovelace

[devout forum]

Cuz IIRC it's like only 200 more cuda cores

[mortal grail]

Think of it like 13th gen vs 14th gen

[devout forum]

So disappointment

[hoary zodiac]

Skylake vs Kaby Lake

Haswell vs Skylake

[mortal grail]

I could work it out, brb

[devout forum]

I mean sure the 5090 will be incredible but everything else feels meh if that's what we expect

[opaque sedge]

Sky reminds me nvidia might be making skynet 💀

[lone mango]

I think amd was super vague because they wanted to see what nvidia was gonna put out. Amd was like scared to show the sauce or something

[hoary zodiac]

Imagine if AMD rolls up last minute and just calls their bs out

[devout forum]

That'd be way too based for AMD's victim mentality

[nocturne flicker]

Skynet is already an actual thing

[opaque sedge]

They’re def waiting cuz imagine if the 5070 utterly outperforms or promises more performance than the 9070xt at a similar price range had they unveiled it

[hoary zodiac]

Windows 11 is a skynet plant

[opaque sedge]

Oh god

[nocturne flicker]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(satellite)

[opaque sedge]

Oh phew

Wait

[hoary zodiac]

bab what???

[lone mango]

People were hoping amd would give us a killer deal, but I think they are going to lower prices to say they did so, but still raise them to have their desired margins. If amd priced how people were hoping from leaks, then margins would be lower

[devout forum]

Nice domesticated male bird bro

[mortal grail]

@devout forum i reckon you'd be looking at probably some 20%?

For 5080

5080 actually looks alright

[lone mango]

I think amd is trying to get the most margins they can while trying to appease to people but it will not go their way

[opaque sedge]

Wbt the 5070ti?

[devout forum]

Honestly with how the price is jacked in general I'm not sure it's worth

[hoary zodiac]

Maybe they're changing the prices on the fly

[devout forum]

(It's called 5080)

[hoary zodiac]

Would be really funny if AMD just comes in and undercuts them

[opaque sedge]

Amd is definitely having a meeting at hq rn

[devout forum]

RN AMD is under a solid bit of pressure

[lone mango]

True

[devout forum]

Both from Intel and Nvidia

They're getting squeezed, so they HAVE TO do something

[lone mango]

Thats why they weren’t confidently showing off their products

[fresh timber]

5080 super for $800 when

[mortal grail]

Prolly some 20%-ish again

Eyeballing it now

[lone mango]

They don’t want to give us a crazy deal I think

[devout forum]

B580 kinda screwed AMD way more than Nvidia

[mortal grail]

Please don't take these numbers literally guys

[opaque sedge]

Honestly guys i dont think amd was cooking when they gave up on the high end 💀

[mortal grail]

I'm not an employee

[lone mango]

Not really

[devout forum]

Yes really

[fresh timber]

b580 is mid

[opaque sedge]

Now they might have to give up on mid range too

[hoary zodiac]

It screws amd if you're using a 9800X3D

[devout forum]

It's priced right though

[lone mango]

Hub shows that the b580 falls off in 1080p depending on the cpu

[lone mango]

[fresh timber]

its crews you on lower end cpus

[devout forum]

1080p is getting more and more irrelevant

[hoary zodiac]

I'd disagree

[fresh timber]

yet most people still use 1080p

[hoary zodiac]

Especially on smaller displays

On larger displays yes

[devout forum]

1440p screens are now at the point where they're on par with pricing

[hoary zodiac]

But on sub-20" displays 1080p is still widespread

[mortal grail]

Ok you know what, 4K is pretty steep for me

[hoary zodiac]

I never recommend 4K

[opaque sedge]

Wbt people tryna play competitive games?

[mortal grail]

4k aud

[hoary zodiac]

Terribly longevity

[devout forum]

Who's unironically buying 18 inch screens in 2025

[hoary zodiac]

oh

[fresh timber]

seeing 56% of people on steam are still 1080p,

yes

[devout forum]

SHS =/= buying preferences

[mortal grail]

I will get a better looking value gpu out of 4K if I sold my gpu for full price

But that's just

Yeah no

Not wheelin and dealin for 3.2K on the street

[opaque sedge]

For a 5090? I thought u were a dentist man

[mortal grail]

Screw that

[fresh timber]

most people are using 1080p, so its safe to assume most people buying b580 will use it on 1080p

[hoary zodiac]

well...

[devout forum]

Yeah but those screens are getting phased out

[mortal grail]

I have the money just don't wanna spend for a dumb idea

[devout forum]

Steam includes EVERYTHING not just newly bought hardware

[fresh timber]

give it a few more years before 1440p and other reses take over

[opaque sedge]

Lol i was jk

[mortal grail]

I don't want to keep other gpus in the process either

[hoary zodiac]

Here's where you lose me

[lone mango]

Well I would say some people are stuck on 1080p, as in they would go to 1440p if they could but can’t

[devout forum]

I think we're already at the point where GPUs are there
It's just that people are stuck with monitors

But the prices are now in the same league

[hoary zodiac]

If you could afford a b580 you're likely able to afford a 1440p display

especially with how widespread and cost effective they're getting

[lone mango]

That is why intel showed a lot of 1440p but it also fits that narrative because the lower framerates in 1440p help with the cpu overhead issues

[hoary zodiac]

And plus most desktop users use 20"+ displays

[fresh timber]

can u afford a b580 and 1440p display, 1440p has dropped in price thats why i bought it

[fresh timber]

i ❤️ my 1080p 27 inch 2nd monitor

[hoary zodiac]

?

[devout forum]

400 bucks at this point

[hoary zodiac]

What displays are y'all buying

[devout forum]

You can get sub-150 1440p 144 screens

[fresh timber]

mines cost $300

[devout forum]

You got scammed my guy

[hoary zodiac]

jesus christ you people spend too much on monitors

[fresh timber]

mines is also 240hz

[devout forum]

Tell me it's not an aSUS

[fresh timber]

no, thats my 2nd display

[devout forum]

Sus

[hoary zodiac]

🥱

[worn wave]

Just saw an IG reel of Nvidia presentation. 5070 = 4090 perf for $550?? Chat is this real?

[fresh timber]

i have a 1080p 165hz 27 inch for a 2nd display, and a 1440p 240hz for the main

[lone mango]

Its a 4070ti moment but again

[devout forum]

With a huge asterisk

That's probably 90% the new FG

[fresh timber]

expect slower than 4090 but still performate

[lone mango]

100% is

[fresh timber]

i wonder if the vram will kill it

[worn wave]

Oh framegen can **************

[fresh timber]

4k? yeah prob

1440p prob fine

[hoary zodiac]

framegen + dlss

[devout forum]

They're using the new FG algo which can make a lot of fake frames so they can TECHNICALLY claim it's doing that but it's only like one game in lab conditions

[hoary zodiac]

And it's only gaming

[devout forum]

It's probably a 15-20% uplift in real performance

[fresh timber]

fake frames

[hoary zodiac]

At which case

In a year radeon is going to destroy it

Maybe 7900XTX is going to drop to stupid cheap prices

[fresh timber]

i wonder how they perform in workloads like editing and stuf

[hoary zodiac]

Typical nvidia, if you need it, it's better

[lone mango]

Amd rocm please kill cuda

Thanks

[hoary zodiac]

If you don't and just play games

Radeon

[fresh timber]

rdna4 raytracing and good rocm please

[mortal grail]

It'll be way slower than a 4090 in raw perf. Everything points to it being dlss 4 being the reason they say it

[fresh timber]

yeah

[lone mango]

Rdna 4 rt will be a gen behind again

[hoary zodiac]

If you can run RT

[mortal grail]

You'll never sell me on frame gen unless the input lag is negligible

[fresh timber]

real

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

is 5090 out yet

[hoary zodiac]

For most of the value RDNA4 cards they'll probably be so much cheaper you don't care

[lone mango]

Maybe

[devout forum]

And even with low input lag FG is not supposed to be a dev crutch

[fresh timber]

isnt the 9070 suppose to be slower than the xtx anyways

[hoary zodiac]

9800GTX?

[devout forum]

All 9800 PC

[lone mango]

The 9070xt is slower than the xtx

9070 is even slower

[fresh timber]

man they could have tried to match it

[mortal grail]

They are aiming for RT and a price cut methinks

[fresh timber]

ooo

[hoary zodiac]

Get the brand new Nvidia GeForce 9800GTX with a 256-bit memory bus!!!!!

[mortal grail]

9070xt gonna be like $600

[fresh timber]

amd that can raytrace would be fire

[mortal grail]

But then after tarrifs

800

[hoary zodiac]

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[fresh timber]

[mortal grail]

[hoary zodiac]

9800GTX HAS MORE BANDWIDTH THAN 4060

[lone mango]

There is a 2000 point difference between the 7900 xt and the 9070 xt

It was like mid 20000 points

[mortal grail]

This is what the rumour mill is saying anyway

[fresh timber]

tarrifs, you reminded me to buy a new gpu fast

[hoary zodiac]

WHAT THE HELL

WHY

[fresh timber]

i should max out my gpu with a 5080 then

sense gpu prices will be stupid for the next 4 years +

[hoary zodiac]

Someone explain to me why a 9800GTX has more bandwidth than a 4060

[mortal grail]

Ye but you'll likely find the RT makes up for it

[fresh timber]

LMFAO

[mortal grail]

For me idc about RT but games are now mandating it

[fresh timber]

new game tend to include it

even fortnite has it

[lone mango]

Rt is still behind what nvidia will be putting out, and amd being scared to show what they have doesn’t give me confidence it will be amazing value

[mortal grail]

Oh lmao 9070xt has only 3.1ghz

Le oof

[fresh timber]

i see amds value in the apus

[nocturne flicker]

9800GTX is a bigger name than 4060, therefore bigger number better

[mortal grail]

That's barely even a refresh, the rt improvements better make a difference

[fresh timber]

ps5 pro

[hoary zodiac]

7900XTX scalping time

[fresh timber]

shooot i should buy a few gpus

[hoary zodiac]

no

[fresh timber]

5070ti, 7900xtx

[hoary zodiac]

Don't

[opaque sedge]

They might price it to be a successor to the 7700xt ngl if the claims for the 5070perf are even half true

[fresh timber]

wait for tarrifs

sell for more

[hoary zodiac]

🤨

[nocturne flicker]

[lone mango]

Again, its gonna be a generation behind

[hoary zodiac]

I mean

[lone mango]

Maybe next gen they will actually match nvidia rt

[hoary zodiac]

I have a "RT capable" GPU

[lone mango]

My ass is never doing rt

[mortal grail]

Oh 9070xt is 22849

[hoary zodiac]

RT's only feasible on higher end cards

Which is not the radeon price bracket anyways

[mortal grail]

So it'll be GRE raster

[lone mango]

Yeah

[fresh timber]

real

[mortal grail]

So it has to launch at 550 or lower

[fresh timber]

chat, my mom is finally taking me tommrow to return the legion go

[mortal grail]

How much was the 5070 again

[opaque sedge]

That would just be a gre refresh

[hoary zodiac]

So RT argument kinds falls apart unless you're getting anything faster than 7900XTX

[lone mango]

550

[opaque sedge]

550

[mortal grail]

So 500

[mortal grail]

9070xt will be 500

[opaque sedge]

They would have to price it to 400 tbh

[mortal grail]

I can almost guarantee it

[opaque sedge]

If they want a chance at sales

[fresh timber]

mhh okay i have my eyes on the 5070 ti too

[mortal grail]

Lmao

[hoary zodiac]

It's scalper season

[fresh timber]

yup

[opaque sedge]

Yeah at 500 most people will definitely steer to nvidia at 550

[lone mango]

So wait a year and it will be 450, which is what it should be to begin with

Amd moment

[hoary zodiac]

launch cards are probably meh anyways

they'll be scalping mid cards

[lone mango]

You mean their founder cards?

[fresh timber]

time to buy some used 4080s chat

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah

[mortal grail]

AHAHAHAHA

[lone mango]

Yeah prob

[mortal grail]

5070 is like 5% over 4070

[fresh timber]

tarrifs

[mortal grail]

[hoary zodiac]

FE are only good because they're cherry picked bins

[fresh timber]

i like 5%

[mortal grail]

This is AFTER CALC

[hoary zodiac]

Otherwise the cards themselves are meh

[mortal grail]

LMFAO

THE LOW END LOSES

[fresh timber]

what about raytracing

[hoary zodiac]

Is it?

So....

7900XTX still beats it

[lone mango]

[fresh timber]

[nocturne flicker]

RT stinky

[fresh timber]

i no longer want 5070

must wait for reviewers

[mortal grail]

Literally 46 vs 48

[frigid stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019668308427030632/1326064522686894171/5090_wo_DLSS.png?ex=677e1153&is=677cbfd3&hm=ae3db833d72a00744b4c27b810b7fbcb85549d5e83a02bce6bdab857fb6a6552&

Unreal

[fresh timber]

ngl i belive it

[hoary zodiac]

Waiting for that $699 7900XTX

[mortal grail]

Holy hell the 5070 is a rip off

[hoary zodiac]

get your radeons here!!!

[mortal grail]

It's up to 5% better

[hoary zodiac]

up to

[lone mango]

Ok look

[mortal grail]

Up to 5% then it has a firmware update for frame hen

[frigid stag]

Why

[hoary zodiac]

6500XT moment??

[fresh timber]

to be fair its technicly cheaper than the 4070 and 5% faster

[mortal grail]

Wtf is this

[lone mango]

Amd likes doing 20 or 30 usd cuts

Maybe it could be $480 launch

[hoary zodiac]

The 7900XT is cheaper

And faster

[lone mango]

Then it would do some dmg

[fresh timber]

mid card

[hoary zodiac]

It's faster

[fresh timber]

whats the 7900xt price

[lone mango]

[mortal grail]

You can buy a 4070 rn, it's some 500-ish dollars. Hell, 2 years ago.

The 5070 is theoretically up to 5% faster and costs 10% more

It's doa

Like actually doa

[frigid stag]

5?

[fresh timber]

inflation go brr

[mortal grail]

It's ada refresh so nothing is new here

[frigid stag]

So 3080 better?

[fresh timber]

its prob not even cheaper if u count inflations :kek

[mortal grail]

3080 might still beat it in raw raster

Yes

The 12gb

[frigid stag]

[mortal grail]

This is insane

[fresh timber]

man i wish the 12gb 3080 wasnt rare, id buy one and cope with no av1

[frigid stag]

0 way it’s 5% only

It’s probably like 4070 ti performance

[lone mango]

That’s why hub blackpilled me

[frigid stag]

Or 4070 ti super

[hoary zodiac]

The real question is

[mortal grail]

The theoretical numbers have all the performance parts some 5% higher

[lone mango]

Like its over for us

[hoary zodiac]

Does the 7800XT beat it

[mortal grail]

It is theoretically up to 5%

[frigid stag]

There’s not even benchmarks out yet

[hoary zodiac]

does the 6750XT beat it actually

Hold up

[frigid stag]

I think it could be like 20%

[lone mango]

Arc was so perfect for me until the 1080p issues came to light

[mortal grail]

The boost clock is lower than 40 series mate

[fresh timber]

real

[hoary zodiac]

wait

[mortal grail]

They're going for the dlss take lmao

[frigid stag]

It is a different architecture

[mortal grail]

Ada refresh it's barely changed

Lmfaoooo

[fresh timber]

one of my mates needs a new gpu but he plays 1080p and has one of the cpus that do bad at 1080p with arc

[worn wave]

No lol

[frigid stag]

I might get one just to try it

[hoary zodiac]

Ok

I'm calling it

7900XT is going to the budget gpu

For 2025

[mortal grail]

Again don't trust my word for it cos I don't work for nvidia

But MAN

Those potential numbers look BAD for the 5070

[fresh timber]

if i can get a xtx for a good price i might have to stay and cope with my issues with amd

[mortal grail]

The others actually look like an increase

[worn wave]

5% faster than the 4070 puts it around the 3080ti or 7800xt

[frigid stag]

Just get the 5080 🗿

[hoary zodiac]

Get what you need

[frigid stag]

3080 ti is faster than all those

It’s like a 4070 ti almost

[mortal grail]

All the other 50 series cards look like an improvement

[hoary zodiac]

If you need shadowplay get nvidia

[fresh timber]

i dont need anything, i want

[lone mango]

What issues

[mortal grail]

An improvement which will be washed when tariffs hit the market

Wow this might be a really brutal gen

[hoary zodiac]

Does tariffs hit international markets too?

[frigid stag]

Cheaper gpus

[lone mango]

Fr

[fresh timber]

shoudlnt

[worn wave]

Yeah idk I'm just going off of this

[mortal grail]

Our msrp is already adjusted for it

[fresh timber]

it just makes it more expensive to the end user in usa

[hoary zodiac]

Used 3080ti might be the meta

[mortal grail]

2500 for the 5090 here

[frigid stag]

Ye I don’t rlly trust that

[hoary zodiac]

Ngreedia scam

[frigid stag]

Everywhere else shows 3080 beating 4070 except this

And 6900xt is way better than 7800xt which is off

[worn wave]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ idk why more publications don't post easy comparison charts but if there's a more accurate one feel free to drop it

[hoary zodiac]

That's from the same site

[frigid stag]

This looks more real

[fresh timber]

1080p o no

b580 funna look ass

[worn wave]

I've heard this comparison is worse

[mortal grail]

For context our msrp includes 10% tax

[fresh timber]

i like these specs

[mortal grail]

That's the rough 4090 msrp

[hoary zodiac]

Ehhhh

[mortal grail]

Here's the 5090

[worn wave]

No it's not? Tom's vs techpowerup

[frigid stag]

B580 looks decent

[hoary zodiac]

Oh yeah I had a brainfart

[fresh timber]

but what cpu does tpu use

[mortal grail]

And for clarification the value of our dollar at the time

God this looks so BAD

I feel like a tin foil hat man but this looks so BAD

[hoary zodiac]

We dumped too much money into hawk coin guys

AUD is crashing

[mortal grail]

It'll go up again

[fresh timber]

crashing like my intel stock

[mortal grail]

5090 however

[fresh timber]

3000aud

[mortal grail]

That's not gonna stay 2K

[hoary zodiac]

Especially with Brisbane olympics coming soon

[fresh timber]

my predictions

[mortal grail]

There's just no way the 5090 stays 2K usd

[hoary zodiac]

god I wish I had the money to get a mortgage

[fresh timber]

if i was rich id buy a 5090

[hoary zodiac]

It'd go up so much

[fresh timber]

i wish i had the money to rent an appartment

i just need a bed, good gamign setup, good tv, and good internet

[hoary zodiac]

This is why I don't have money

[mortal grail]

If I deduct tax from the AUD msrp thej the prediction falls in line of about 2350 usd

[hoary zodiac]

I'm spending it all on rent and food

[mortal grail]

Sorry

2300 usd

[hoary zodiac]

Like every other human being tbh

Nothing special really

Just life

[mortal grail]

Which is about what everyone was expecting

[fresh timber]

i did math, its super hard to live off minumal wage of $15 a hour

[frigid stag]

Idk probably 9800x3d

[fresh timber]

they prob massive anyways so they can retest all the gpus i bet easily

[mortal grail]

So they're trying to charge me almost 50% more for up to 50% more performance

It'll never be 50% more performance

[lone mango]

@craggy shoal do you have a 1440p panel for gt7

[mortal grail]

Ok this really looks like a skip

[frigid stag]

Yea they probably just retest the last couple gens

[fresh timber]

i want a 9800x3d

[mortal grail]

I'm definitely skipping 50 series

[fresh timber]

im like $100 off from a am5 swap with 9800x3d ;/

[frigid stag]

They’re in stock from time to time

[hoary zodiac]

I'm still on 30 series

Will be until this laptop is 10 years old

[lone mango]

I been on a 6600 since 2022

[fresh timber]

i had a 3060 laptop before it died

[hoary zodiac]

I really don't care too much about gaming these days tbh

[fresh timber]

BRo

[hoary zodiac]

Games are lame anyways

[lone mango]

I should probably repaste

[fresh timber]

I HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH EARLY AMD DRIVERS

[hoary zodiac]

Got better stuff to do than play video games

[fresh timber]

I had a rx6600 when i was a freshman

[lone mango]

L

[fresh timber]

almost 4 years ago amd drivers where flipping poopoo

[lone mango]

I had a rx580 in 2018 and had no issues

[hoary zodiac]

That's literally every radeon experience

cope

You buy radeon you should've expected it

[fresh timber]

my rx6600 would have a driver time out loading games, driver time out looking in the wrong direction in the game, alt tabbing from the game, sitting on my homescreen doing nothing

[hoary zodiac]

cope

[fresh timber]

iv had drivers uninstall them selfs for no reason

idk what they changed but now it doesnt have problems

[hoary zodiac]

I just waited out my 5700XT driver issues

[fresh timber]

rx6600 runs smooth af now

[hoary zodiac]

It's always how it goes

[lone mango]

Windows probably overwrote it after an update

[gentle canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[lone mango]

That happened to me a while ago

[fresh timber]

i litterly uprgaded to a 7700xt just cause of the rx6600 driver issues and the fact fortnite wouldnt do more than 100fps

[hoary zodiac]

24H2 moment

[lone mango]

I did ddu and I think I got a big perf boost

At least in terms of lows

[fresh timber]

i remember dduing 50 times

a month

[lone mango]

Im on w10 still

[fresh timber]

ew

[hoary zodiac]

good

The superior version

[lone mango]

Switching to linux later this year

[fresh timber]

join me on intel where you lose fps on windows 10

[lone mango]

Fr

[hoary zodiac]

Based

[frigid stag]

Fr windows 7 is where it’s at

[fresh timber]

man if linux had fortnite and valorant id swap to linux

[hoary zodiac]

If you need help just pop on into #linux-and-android

We're chill there

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

I would still be using win 7 if it had support

Windows 7 was the last good OS Microsoft made

[fresh timber]

tbh i like windows 11

[lone mango]

Is it true that dual boot can get corrupted after a major windows update

[fresh timber]

windows 11 looks so clean

[lone mango]

A small but possible risk

[hoary zodiac]

Windows 11 is like a crappy version of a linux distro

[frigid stag]

11 has lag for me

Even with animations off

[hoary zodiac]

Windows 11 is Manjaro linux with ms crap

[lone mango]

[frigid stag]

Plus I don’t want to have to look behind settings to find stuff

[lone mango]

Microshaft

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

The TWO settings menu

[frigid stag]

Not that windows 10 is that stable. Like my pc is broken cause of it

[hoary zodiac]

There's settings and control panel

[frigid stag]

[hoary zodiac]

Like seriously make a choice

[frigid stag]

Ye I forgot about that

[fresh timber]

i hate how many diffrent menues i need for network settings

[frigid stag]

They’d have to rebuild the whole os from the ground up at this point

They have stuff in windows from the 90s

It’s insane

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

I mean

The Linux kernel is pretty old

[frigid stag]

And a lot of the people working there were barely around in the 90s

[lone mango]

But they keep up

[fresh timber]

why do i need so many menues

[lone mango]

They update it

[hoary zodiac]

FOSS does wonders

[mortal grail]

I can't wait for a month from now when every gamer goes postal that the mid to low end stagnated for yet another 2 years

[hoary zodiac]

Going open source is the best decision they ever made

[frigid stag]

Meanwhile the old employees just gg’d

[lone mango]

Its old but they always make it newer

[hoary zodiac]

It's old and it works

You don't need to update the base code

[lone mango]

Revise is the word im looking for

[hoary zodiac]

You just have to make it work with newer machines

[lone mango]

They revise it all the time

[frigid stag]

There’s stuff from ms dos in there

[hoary zodiac]

The Linux kernel is stable and reliable

That's why even android uses it

[frigid stag]

99% sure that a lot of their devs don’t even understand how a lot of the old stuff in there even works

[hoary zodiac]

It's also a great starting point

[frigid stag]

In windows

[lone mango]

Im split between like 3 distros

[hoary zodiac]

It's also hyper monitised

Windows 11 isn't the product

YOU'RE the product

[lone mango]

Should I do vms on my laptop or desktop

[hoary zodiac]

vms for...?

[lone mango]

Distros I want to look at

[frigid stag]

Ye you can’t even use local account sign in anymore

Have to enter some weird command prompt

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah it's bs

It's arbitrary crap

[frigid stag]

Plus the ms recall stuff they want to bring in

[opaque sedge]

Stolen from pcmr

[frigid stag]

Cuz you don’t need a special cpu for it anymore. It just works on anything almost

[lone mango]

Yeah

[hoary zodiac]

Both works tbh

Linux has a lot less overhead

I'd stick to mainstream distros

Not the funny offshoot projects like pop

Pop has a decent track record tho so it's not too bad

But DO NOT USE MANJARO

It is jank

[lone mango]

See I wanted to have mint on my mini pc but I couldn’t get integrated graphics to show on its version of task manager

The cpu was rendering graphics

[mortal grail]

So glad even the butt of the pc jokes recognise the meme that is the 5070

[lone mango]

I couldn’t find drivers for the chip

The n95 ewaste chip

[hoary zodiac]

Did you have the mesa driver installed?

[lone mango]

Fr

[lone mango]

Idk this was months ago i should try again after seeing more

[mortal grail]

Lmao the new surprim looks identical to the old one almost

They're taller btw

Like, come further out from the slot

[lone mango]

Damn

Thats gonna mess with some cases

[mortal grail]

Oh hang on they might be similar

No I'm blind

It looks like similar

Slight aesthetic change

Coolers look similar size for all

[lone mango]

Oh yeah thats the same height

[fresh timber]

i hate how its 240mm

looks poo in my case

[atomic mist]

They changed the side the light is on

[lone mango]

That neural texture thing seems pretty cool

The compression

Wonder how that will be implemented

Maybe that is why they didn't increase vram size

[hoary zodiac]

128 bit memory bus

[lone mango]

But see with the compression now your 8g vram is like 16

Its like apple ram

how 8g of apple ram is like 16g of windows ram

remember that?

man

[hoary zodiac]

With compression...

What's going to compress and decompress all that stuff

And where is it going when decompressed

🥱

[lone mango]

The frickin ai man

[hoary zodiac]

Marketing

[lone mango]

the darn ai cores dude

the tops

[hoary zodiac]

ai ai ai ai

CES takeaway: Jensen has been replaced by an AI

[lone mango]

4000 TOPS

[fresh timber]

i did a pro gamer move, i made my 1080p monitor "run" 1440p so my wallpaper lines up, then i scaled it up so it doesnt look poo, and now my wallpaper lines up

[lone mango]

You heard of rhino linux

[hoary zodiac]

?

[lone mango]

Ubuntu based distro

[hoary zodiac]

What I do is

[lone mango]

Ima try it

[hoary zodiac]

I just use the base distro and customise it

If you're using ubuntu

[lone mango]

Honestly I should probably do that

[hoary zodiac]

I'd recommend using kubuntu instead

It's basically base ubuntu with the kde plasma desktop environment

KDE plasma is great for people moving to windows

Gnome is mid imo

Appeals more to mac users

[lone mango]

Fr gnome reminds me of those android emulators

Its like using a phone but on the computer

[hoary zodiac]

KDE Plasma is very feature rich

Very customisable too

It's a great starting point

[lone mango]

What gift cards

Yo

alr

[fresh timber]

I want 9070xt just for the 3 pin

[lone mango]

What the hell

That thing gonna have some rarted power draw

Might be like alchemist where you can undervolt a lot and lose basically nothing

[lone mango]

Yeah I forgot about that one

But something I never understood even when I tried mint on the mini pc a long time ago was lts

Why is there the normal version and lts? Why would someone want to download the version that is not supported as long

Why not have lts be the default

[fresh nova]

Guys

5070 is goated

Might actually swap the 4070

Just for the memory speed

[fresh timber]

I want it to say 5070ti in task manager

[hoary zodiac]

@elfin mural

[elfin mural]

begone

[mortal grail]

Had to think about it

The FE makes a little sense

[hoary zodiac]

FElix

[mortal grail]

Same power draw, larger surface area

30% more surface area, 30% less cooler

[lone mango]

founder design is pretty cool

[mortal grail]

It's gonna be noisy but it will work

[hoary zodiac]

Nah

[lone mango]

that is a tiny pcb

[hoary zodiac]

Haven't been cool since 1080ti

[lone mango]

Vega sweeps

[mortal grail]

4090 is probably the last cool one (temp)

Also noticed something else

New gen has higher tdp all over

5070 unlikely to be the 5% now, thinking more like 10-15% at most

Wait

What happened

Think the only thing that has me doubting is probably this
https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/joao-silva/nvidia-rtx-5060-laptop-gpu-benchmark-leaks/

Need to watch more videos to make sure I'm understanding everything properly lol

[mortal grail]

Just remembered you can vbios mod a 4070 to higher tdp as well so that idea is pointless

Lmao 💯

Wtf Steve

[hoary zodiac]

Thanks Steve

[mortal grail]

Wtf he has the board with it???

Holy crap

Actual 4090 Ti prototype

Ha

Ok I know how dlss 4 works now

More latency, same principle, more frames

[obsidian berry]

That’s so much heatsink

[weak cedar]

Gpu needs to come with its own bracket or support to the case 😅

[fresh timber]

Predictions on 5070 ti

[fresh timber]

I love my case for its built in one

[elfin mural]

50 series launch didn't even faze me

xd

the only launch i've been excited for in 2024 is intel arc

[hoary zodiac]

And that's a troll

[final pawn]

5070 is a 250 watt tdp so I should still be good with my 730 watt psu right?

[elfin mural]

5090 is VERY misleading imho

from what i can see

[hoary zodiac]

I mean the entirety of 50 series looks like it's mediocre

[elfin mural]

also don't buy anything yet until you see reviews

amd is about to launch 90 series soon

[hoary zodiac]

Nvidia also cherry picks titles

So I don't trust them

[elfin mural]

nvidia is doing 4x frame gen on dlss 4

vs 2x on dlss 3 with 4090

so 5090 is probably not much faster lol

[hoary zodiac]

And there's also the ** "gets x performance with dlss and fg"

[elfin mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUatm-rY6wo&t=10s

like isn't this misleading as hell

nvidia normalizing frame gen

kek

[hoary zodiac]

NgreedAI moment

[final pawn]

well I have a 3060 Ti and decided on skipping the 40 series, but in the future might get a 5070 if the price/performance is decent

[elfin mural]

5070 is $549

wow

[hoary zodiac]

I would wait until benchmarks before making any sort of decision

There's a reason it's $549

[elfin mural]

intel definitely gave nvidia a bit of a wakeup call

[hoary zodiac]

Nvidia is not that nice

[elfin mural]

but yeah im skeptical of it rn

[final pawn]

based on specs alone it'd be a jump

[hoary zodiac]

Doubt it's as good as they claim

They always cherry pick data

[elfin mural]

it's suspiciously good for nvidia

[hoary zodiac]

And even without cherry picking this is suspicious as hell

There's going to be a fine print "4090 performance with DLSS and frame gen on selected titles"

[elfin mural]

4070 has 5888 cuda

[final pawn]

I'll be waiting for the JayzTwoCents and Gamers Nexus videos lol

[elfin mural]

5070 only has 6144

[hoary zodiac]

Don't

[elfin mural]

and 12gb gddr7

[hoary zodiac]

Jayztwocents is not a reliable source of information

[elfin mural]

it seems like a small jump to me

[hoary zodiac]

Use Hardware Unboxed instead

[elfin mural]

but who knows

[hoary zodiac]

Gamers Nexus is reliable though

Very trustworthy

[elfin mural]

im just speculating from the 4090 vs 5090 fg cyberpunk nvidia vid

that it won't be a big jump

from the 4070

or the cheaper 4070s

[hoary zodiac]

Isn't this an Ada refresh?

[elfin mural]

yes

blackwell is ada refresh

4070S HAS MORE CUDA THAN 5070

what

[hoary zodiac]

No way

This has to be trolling

[elfin mural]

this doesn't look good already..

[hoary zodiac]

Are they trying to dip into the Radeon mid range with the 5070?

Is that's what they're doing now?

I bet the only reason it's priced this low is because they needed to compete with radeon

Because look at it like this

7900XTX is probably going to beat it

Even if it doesn't

It's gonna drop in price so much it'll end up being a better pick

Even if it does outperform the XTX

[mortal grail]

More like the 20%

[hoary zodiac]

My answer is still the 7900XTX

[mortal grail]

But tariffs, generational changes

TDP

I'm not all sure yet

[hoary zodiac]

Because it's going to drop in price to the point it's just a better pick

[fresh timber]

Me needs

[fresh timber]

Xtx with aqua bios plz

[mortal grail]

They've already said it'll win

[hoary zodiac]

The XTX or the 4070

[mortal grail]

XTX

[fresh timber]

Xtx

4070ti super and xtx, I might have to side ti super

[hoary zodiac]

AHAHAHAHAH

[elfin mural]

i still am not gonna trust nvidia with the 5070 until reviews prove otherwise

because the 5070 only has like 200 more cuda lol

and 4070s has more cuda

a whopping thousand more cudas btw

compared to 5070

[final pawn]

where you seeing that at? cause I'm seeing a 4070 has 5888 cuda vs the 5070 having 6144

[mortal grail]

He said 4070S

Which is relevant cos it's $600

And massively better value for $50 if you don't use DLSS 4 everywhere, should the speculation all prove true

[hoary zodiac]

Wait

Does it even beat a 7900XT

[mortal grail]

What beat it

[final pawn]

they're also making it up with tensor cores

[hoary zodiac]

5070

[mortal grail]

That's a steep mountain you're suggesting

In terms of raw perf

[hoary zodiac]

It beats it right?

[mortal grail]

In what

[hoary zodiac]

raw gaming performance

No DLSS or FSR

[mortal grail]

I really doubt it will

[elfin mural]

5070 has 1000 less cuda than 4070s

[hoary zodiac]

is it weaker than the XT?

[elfin mural]

let that sink in

[hoary zodiac]

In raw perf

No way

[elfin mural]

on the same amount of vram on the same bus width

[hoary zodiac]

I thought it'd be closer to the XTX

[mortal grail]

You're talking between 4080 and 4070TiS in raster for 7900XT vs between 7900GRE and 7800XT raster for 4070

[elfin mural]

all the 5070 changes is next gen cuda and tensor

and gddr7

but it's same old 12gb 192bit

[mortal grail]

If you work to rough estimations that's a huge jump

[hoary zodiac]

so

5070 may be weaker than 7900XT in raw perf?

[mortal grail]

Ok I need to explain further do I

[elfin mural]

1000 less cudas is what im concerned

[hoary zodiac]

Yes

[mortal grail]

Picture Time spy boeing

4070 is like

19K-ish?

7900XT is like 29K-ish

[hoary zodiac]

WH

[mortal grail]

5070 has like 5% more cuda over 4070

But a higher TDP

If you even account for the TDP and potential IPC uplift

Granted it's ada refresh

[hoary zodiac]

the numbers don't add up do they

[mortal grail]

That is a HUGE overestimate

[hoary zodiac]

So

[mortal grail]

It won't get raster perf

And if we also discount amd bias in time spy it's still like

50% more raster to catch up

It's a long reach

Who's saying 7900XT perf

[hoary zodiac]

Is it even that much better than the 7800XT tho

[mortal grail]

7800XT is like, 21K

But again, bias

[hoary zodiac]

So...

Assuming that 7900XT dips in price when next gen launches

[mortal grail]

I've given you all the numbers

Lol

[mortal grail]

It won't

It might downscale relatively to everything else but tariffs will assure you no drop

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah tbh $599 is too good to be true

Still though

Still better price/perf to the 5070

at least raw

[mortal grail]

I've stepped back a little

Given the two years they had on the refreshed arch I'm a bit skeptical in the outcome

What I worry about though is our worst fears are realised with frame gen

Some games now mandate it