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#general-chat
wraith fern
hoary zodiac
faster gpu
wraith fern
oh my ohio
deep parcel
yeah true but I like 8 core... having that extra perf for stuff is nice. Like rendering videos and stuff
opaque sedge
Check this out on @Newegg:AMD Ryzen 5 7600X - Zen 4 6-Core 4.7 GHz - Socket AM5 - 105W Desktop Processor (100-100000593WOF) https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-7600x-ryzen-5-7000-series-raphael-zen-4-socket-am5/p/N82E16819113770?tpk=1
hoary zodiac
eh
wraith fern
e cores r fake ๐
opaque sedge
Thereโs a add free gift option where u will find the ssd
hoary zodiac
costs more than the 7500F + ssd thingy I got
opaque sedge
And 30 buck off code too
hoary zodiac
wait
heavy cape
ok ima js decide on both
hoary zodiac
30 bucks off?
hoary zodiac
1TB ssd tho
opaque sedge
Eh budget ballers will live
mortal grail
That took a minute
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fdpj2x
rancid juniper
That took a minute
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fdpj2x
pretty baller, went for the hotbox build
๐ฅ
opaque sedge
Hmm considering the small mobo limited room for nvme expansion i suppose
mortal grail
Just blaze
rancid juniper
bro said, but wait there's more optmizing
rancid juniper
4070s is like $600 minimum
mortal grail
Ah that's better
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HXT4db
opaque sedge
Did the 7700x get cheaper or smth
mortal grail
Make the cheapest 4070 super build possible <:PepeRealizes:1024543017949986856>
Put a 7600 in the list I just made then put a non-ventus cheap 4070S
Done
young matrix
ngl marvel rivals runs like ASS
rancid juniper
ue5 ah videogame
young matrix
dlss on, high-med settings 1440p im barely breaking 120
mortal grail
I could do cheaper but meh
rancid juniper
dlss on, high-med settings 1440p im barely breaking 120
make sure lumen is completely off
young matrix
it is
mortal grail
I wouldn't run a 4070S with less than that
rancid juniper
bruh
hoary zodiac
ah crap I got the wrong link
mortal grail
Ohp phone 5% gotta go
rancid juniper
which one should I get
uh whichever looks good to you lol
hoary zodiac
mortal grail
which one should I get
Of what I posted, the last one I did is best
But I missed half the chat so
hoary zodiac
I would recommend going for the faster gpu
heavy cape
Ah that's better
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HXT4db
this?
hoary zodiac
wink wink
mortal grail
Ye
rancid juniper
pfft showoff
mortal grail
Lmao
hoary zodiac
pfft showoff
actually it was felix
young matrix
i think the reason it runs so bad is because the entire map is loaded in at once for the flying characters like iron man storm etc
hoary zodiac
that recommended the aliexpress 7500Fs to me
mortal grail
Ok bai
rancid juniper
lol bye
mortal grail
young matrix
and normally games load the map in chunks like tf2 and cs2
rancid juniper
that recommended the aliexpress 7500Fs to me
ah
young matrix
and ow
storm narwhal
i think the reason it runs so bad is because the entire map is loaded in at once...
At least it's not cod
storm narwhal
Load all of warzone just for one small section for multiplayer
opaque sedge
Guys should i do a thermalright counter 
hoary zodiac
It's funny how thermalright is dominating air and liquid cooler under $100
rancid juniper
looking at prebuilt options too
rancid juniper
๐
hoary zodiac
budget workstation maybe
not a gaming pc
๐ฅฑ I hate prebuilt price gouging
wait
rancid juniper
refurb
hoary zodiac
there's only 16GB of ram in there
ok that's actually not bad
for a prebuilt
ram's a bit meh but ๐คทโโ๏ธ
rancid juniper
another one
hoary zodiac
meh
rancid juniper
dunno about yeyian tho
storm narwhal
They are the bomb as in the literal definition
hoary zodiac
when you're a smaller business you have less of a reputation to lose by your psus exploding
storm narwhal
A GN is less likely to come after you frfr
hoary zodiac
I'd rather get a laptop than a prebuilt
rancid juniper
hoary zodiac
I saw a prebuilt with a gigabyte psu yesterday
I think it was the bomb model that GN reviewed too
opaque sedge
Guys should i do a thermalright counter <:kekw:741678350791081994>
Damn looks like thereโs a bunch that are gaining over thermalright
hoary zodiac
Damn looks like thereโs a bunch that are gaining over thermalright
are they cheaper though
opaque sedge
Nope
lone mango
https://tenor.com/view/gamersnexus-gigabyte-psu-grenade-incendiary-psu-gif-24370...
Nah thats crazy
bitter heart
hey i have a question about warranty:
can i rely only on the product warranty if newegg doesn't include any warranty on it?
worthy meteor
You can only rely on the manufacturer to help with technical problems past the return window, Newegg can't really provide warranty for items that they can't fix
wary fjord
bad move for emulation
wait its modem
its fine i guess
xD
wait they dont use snap anyway right google pixels? they have their own cpu?
pseudo raven
wait they dont use snap anyway right google pixels? they have their own cpu?
yeah they already use mali gpu
so emulation was bad already
mortal grail
If I don't bottom out I hear nothing
pseudo raven
and then you lose it for some reason
mortal grail
Like nothing
pseudo raven
and that hurts the most
ive had to go back to a crappy plastic chinese keyboard twice
from like
mortal grail
Next to my previous keyboard which I felt was quiet this is like, less than a pin drop in comparison
pseudo raven
what is it
mortal grail
Could also tape mod for more silence but this is amazing as is
mortal grail
I'm actually loving this to death
It met my expectations and then some
The normal one btw is a lot cheaper for a pretty similar experience
mortal grail
Need to find the original msrp lmao
Here you go
Trying to find the amazon article hold on
pseudo raven
ah it says there at the bottom right
i already have the boog75 which is a 75% he board
mortal grail
It's kinda ridiculous for what it is
pseudo raven
but to be fair back in december it was the only nice sounding
75% rapid trigger board
mortal grail
Like I'm not a keyboard guy, I could never tell you what's good
pseudo raven
been nearly a year since i had it
cant say i use the rapid trigger too much but its nice in rivals now i guess
mortal grail
Go back 3 years tho and when I was shopping last, this sort of price would've seen a good keychron which was nothing nearly as nice as what's available now afaik
Or maybe a good akko
pseudo raven
yeah around 3 years ago i bought an akko 75%
for 110
it was great and sounded amazing but
mortal grail
It's heavy af too this thing is like a handbag yo
pseudo raven
it was also plastic
mortal grail
๐
pseudo raven
but also i sold it
a couple months later
for 80 bucks
and then i got a keychron q1
opaque sedge
i effing had enough if she was gonna pull a multihit bull**** attack on me so am I
mortal grail
I tried checking out a number of those akko boards tbh, nothing really grabbed me like this did
pseudo raven
mortal grail
I think they were selling the boog near me
pseudo raven
its a little expensive
mortal grail
They had the zoom75 I saw that a ton
mortal grail
Still waiting for my last piece the memory foam rest then I have everything
pseudo raven
i actually used to have a memory foam one
mortal grail
I tried looking for a good one in dark maple, had no luck
pseudo raven
both do the job pretty much the same
mortal grail
Interesting
pseudo raven
i think mine is like an oak
i will say i think
wooden ones look a little better
but not worth the extra price
mortal grail
They do look better yeah
I was hoping for one to match my Dan case but had no real luck
They all have specific sizes
pseudo raven
oh yeah that was so annoying
i was trying to match one to my q1 board
and really wasnt in the mood to pay like
35 dollars to keychron for a wooden one
so i just got a smaller one and put up with it
for like $5
pseudo raven
lmao
grand kernel
sigh
just opened the rma for my 13700k
the bsods are just happening at random now
time to downclock it while I wait for the rma and hope it's usable
thanks intel
jump to intel after having an amd cpu with a defect that renders it borderline unusable
get an intel cpu with a defect that renders it borderline unusable
what do i buy now..
grand kernel
oh no i can actually feel the difference between 5ghz and 5.3ghz ๐
tranquil pebble
ripperoni
tranquil pebble
what do i buy now..
another AMD because you won't get unlucky twice in a row
grand kernel
idk if it's just placebo or something but playing a cpu demanding game with texture streaming and loading times feel slower by a slightly larger factor than the difference between 5.0 and 5.3
devout forum
Would it be dumb to buy a prebuilt to extract a 9800X3D and a good GPU out of?
4070TiS that is
mortal grail
I need this
devout forum
lol
icy ore
mortal grail
@sage sluice #build-pics
opaque sedge
<@721052260607459400> <#574740748801540107>
elfin mural
@mortal grail sorry for pong, but should i use thermal putty or thermal pads for the vrms and vram on my lappy
im gonna replace the fans on this thing
(they're not dead, but they sustained shock from the laptop being dropped a year ago)
tranquil pebble
I am too lazy to get up to check my phone charge status... KDE connect:
mortal grail
<@101107951401455616> sorry for pong, but should i use thermal putty or thermal ...
UTP-8 putty
elfin mural
oki
sage sluice
<@721052260607459400> <#574740748801540107>
How is it so far
craggy shoal
I am too lazy to get up to check my phone charge status... KDE connect:
Is this Linux on your phone?
mortal grail
How is it so far
It's quieter than my mouse
Like
Way quieter
But feels and sounds pleasant
craggy shoal
A keyboard being quieter than a mouse is wild
mortal grail
I still haven't tape modded it yet
craggy shoal
What switches does it have?
craggy shoal
SC Magnetic?
Man that keyboard looks good
Wawtching a video of somebody typing with it. Man that thing is quiet lol
It sounds like my stock Keychron V1
mortal grail
Yeah I immediately fell in love with it
And @sage sluice helped me pick the colour theme for it, it looks just as good irl as it does in the pics lol
mortal grail
It sounds like my stock Keychron V1
Slapdash comparison
Imagine scratching a mosquito bite on your arm
That level of noise, then less crisp
That's what this bridge sounds like
Got no complaints about it apart from HE lacking wireless but I was perfectly fine with not having that (Got a KVM so)
craggy shoal
I need a good KVM
For display and USB that I can switch between while I'm remote
This is good but I have multiple servers
#build-pics message
mortal grail
I like the one on my gigabyte monitor
craggy shoal
Oh I meant for servers lol
craggy shoal
But yeah I need something for my client-side setup as well. Maybe like a 3-4 PC setup lol
mortal grail
I think if I had to say anything
My kvm having a shortcut on the remote
That would make it just
craggy shoal
Using a keyboard shortcut would be super nice imo
mortal grail
Cos as it is rn I can't toggle back and forth real fast
mortal grail
Using a keyboard shortcut would be super nice imo
If I bought the wireless bridge I could've done this
You just swap pairing lol
craggy shoal
Oh I see
Switching between Bluetooth and RF?
Nah but what I really need is a DNS server on my network
This stupid AT&T router is so restrictive that I can't even assign a custom DNS server to it
mortal grail
Switching between Bluetooth and RF?
Ye
mortal grail
This stupid AT&T router is so restrictive that I can't even assign a custom DNS ...
Just assign device side lol
craggy shoal
Yeah but that's annoying
elfin mural
no one imports thermal putty to thailand
sadge
imma have to wait a week+ from china
mortal grail
Could be worse, I found out that all of Australia's internet issues are solved with a proper SQM handler
elfin mural
lmao
mortal grail
Oh oops
Anyway they won't do it so I did some learning and now my own router does all of it
Made an enourmous difference cos they won't spend the $70 per line (Yes I looked this up) for line conditioning latency
Not even the routers they give as part of the contract are valued that low lol
AHHH I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING AMAZING
craggy shoal
lol
mortal grail
NO RGB SO MY DAMN MONITOR DOESN'T REFLECT IT
OMGGGG
I'm so dumbsmart
I did that without realising and I would've doubled down so hard on this board if I realised that
elfin mural
bro's thocked in
north crescent
what do i buy now..
Nvidia CPU with a defect that renders it borderline unusable
unreal trail
pet bird will tear your key caps off
https://tenor.com/view/sun-conure-keyboard-destroyed-pet-bird-plucked-keyboard-viralhog-gif-15238322
tranquil pebble
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-to-feature-16gb-vram-rtx-...
sub 16 GB on 5070 is a joke
none of this means much until we get pricing though
rancid juniper
sub 16 GB on 5070 is a joke
5070/5080 done dirty
tranquil pebble
They want everyone to buy 90 class lol
once again everything below 90 class will be better off going Radeon most likely
rancid juniper
the 90 class in question:
tranquil pebble
my ideal set up would be 5090 and 7900 XTX in the same system, on a Threadripper (non Pro), and 128 GB RAM... but I can't afford all that lmao
boreal cosmos
What is the meaning of life? I seek thee..
rancid juniper
What is the meaning of life? I seek thee..
deez nuts
rancid juniper
my ideal set up would be 5090 and 7900 XTX in the same system, on a Threadripper...
boreal cosmos
Is it to build the ultimate pc
mortal grail
What is the meaning of life? I seek thee..
Pretzels tbh
boreal cosmos
Every 2 years
boreal cosmos
Pretzels tbh
Pretzels... Yes I found the meaning of life
rancid juniper
rigid sinew
good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good night, good day 
ICYMI - ive been posting some of the awesome builds that you guys post in our #build-pics to our IG ! i hope everyone checks it out when you have a chance!
proud jackal
ICYMI - ive been posting some of the awesome builds that you guys post in our <#...
Free PC pls
rigid sinew
Free PC pls
okay give me $2k and i will give you one for free
proud jackal
rigid sinew
you guys are overestimating my power
rigid sinew
sinful blade
you guys are overestimating my power
All Iโm asking is for a b580
Not like itโs in demand or something
rigid sinew
All Iโm asking is for a b580
i have to see what it is before i offer it to anybody
oohh its a gpu
sinful blade
mortal grail
okay give me $2k and i will give you one for free
He'll do you one better
He'll give you 285K
rigid sinew
He'll do you one better
u said it
velvet summit
Why does Intel name their GPUs like that
I swear the b580 sounds like a mobo chipset
mortal grail
https://youtube.com/shorts/OeuvTOGrbEc @velvet summit
rancid juniper
<:Mike_Distressed:710631330336997416>
so easy mode, got it
velvet summit
mortal grail
Why does Intel name their GPUs like that
I swear the b580 sounds like a mobo chi...
B560 was a literal thing tbf
velvet summit
https://youtube.com/shorts/OeuvTOGrbEc <@297812853174566913>
The design is very human
unreal trail
so easy mode, got it
more like gaslighting mode. It wont play the game for you, but it will tell you what the right dialog choices are.
velvet summit
It's a long ride
The design is very human
rancid juniper
more like gaslighting mode. It wont play the game for you, but it will tell you ...
velvet summit
mortal grail
The design is very human
Nods furiously like the roller coaster
rancid juniper
maximum human
mortal grail
Detroit
velvet summit
Become very human
mortal grail
Become recovery mode
dusk knot
Become super human
trail nest
chat! nvidia stocks took a plummet today!
icy obsidian
impossible
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vTTPxr/corsair-h115i-rgb-platinum-97-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-cw-9060038-ww
would this thing work for an am5 cpu?
it says its compatible on the site but does that mean it comes with a bracket for am5?
sweet phoenix
chat! nvidia stocks took a plummet today!
Idk if id call 2.6% a plummet
elfin mural
^
dusk knot
Hm
north crescent
Any percent is a plummet if you're brave enough
north crescent
it says its compatible on the site but does that mean it comes with a bracket fo...
Largely depends on if there is old stock without the old bracket. Tho. Corsair coolers are very unideal for value, even among the other liquid coolers. Any reason you're getting that one specifically?
sage sluice
https://tenor.com/view/sun-conure-keyboard-destroyed-pet-bird-plucked-keyboard-v...
Lmao my conure has done that before
Evil little thing
Pure evil
slate fractal
chat where do i find used prebuilt pcs?? im looking for a very specific prebuilt by hp and idk where to go
sage sluice
chat where do i find used prebuilt pcs?? im looking for a very specific prebuilt...
Id keep tabs on tech deals for eBay stuff
chrome mirage
I went to school with a kid named Turtle and I just found out he still lives around here. I should see what he's up too.
slate fractal
Id keep tabs on tech deals for eBay stuff
k thanks
icy obsidian
Largely depends on if there is old stock without the old bracket. Tho. Corsair c...
already own it
from am4 era so it definitely didnt come with a bracket for am5
echo thistle
What do y'all think about Intel's new xess? Seems like when it's available in more games it'll be the best of its kind
echo thistle
that F1 result says otherwise (LTT review)
frigid stag
Native only ๐ฟ
echo thistle
not only is it better on a hardware level to the 4060, but the frame gen literally doubled the fps
echo thistle
Native only ๐ฟ
fps is fps
devout forum
This latency here says otherwise
devout forum
not only is it better on a hardware level to the 4060, but the frame gen literal...
You're comparing an upscaling technique to a GPU
Pretty apples to mangoes if you ask me
devout forum
XESS is still nowhere near in image quality and effectiveness to DLSS
But the B580 is actually amazing
echo thistle
You're comparing an upscaling technique to a GPU
echo thistle
Yes and that's
Not representing DLSS itself
its right there? unless I'm missing something
devout forum
You are comparing the highest-end Intel GPU to
Get this
A low-end nGreedAI one
frigid stag
Back in the day a 1060 wouldโve run f1 2017 at that fps at native
echo thistle
You are comparing the highest-end Intel GPU to
Get this
A low-end nGreedAI one
price comparitive
devout forum
price comparitive
Not tech comparative
echo thistle
your point? that doesn't mean it's a high end gpu
devout forum
It's about on par with FSR and inferior in quality as well as effect to DLSS
echo thistle
Which it is ostensibly not
like I said, that result from F1 says otherwise, that's what I'm going off of here
devout forum
So you grade all of XESS based on a single benchmark in a single game on a single GPU
echo thistle
pretty much
devout forum
Then you sir
Are an idiot
devout forum
Again
echo thistle
which only works on one game iirc but doesn't matter
devout forum
Absolute top end of Intel against a low-midrange nVidia card
north crescent
fps is fps
Artifacts is artifacts, as well as input latency is input latency
Also frametimes
devout forum
XESS is objectively and noticably inferior to DLSS as of right now
echo thistle
Artifacts is artifacts, as well as input latency is input latency
artifacts didn't seem all that bad, and latency isn't the worst thing, especially in racing games
north crescent
Basically tho, cant just go by FPS for things like frame generation
devout forum
artifacts didn't seem all that bad, and latency isn't the worst thing, especiall...
It's ESPECIALLY bad in racing games
At least competitive/simulation ones
And there's significant artifacting shown that's noticable on many games
echo thistle
I have tons of latency in racing games anyways from simply using a mediocre controller so another little bit of latency isn't much
echo thistle
And there's significant artifacting shown that's noticable on many games
I thought FG only worked in one game as of the release?
devout forum
Have you considered that there are people who're not you?
echo thistle
whaaaat noooooo
devout forum
FG is a crutch anyway
echo thistle
I think it's a good idea if done well
echo thistle
<@207156621531545600> okay now at least we know it's a teenager
who would've guessed
north crescent
At least competitive/simulation ones
I dont play racing games, but afaik they are much more forgiving than shooters/action platformers for latency
devout forum
Arcade ones sure
north crescent
But still, additional latency in competitve stuff tends to be pretty unideal
devout forum
Try playing with a wheel+ pedals and you'll know how painful it is
If you at all go beyond the very basics it becomes an issue
echo thistle
FG imo is a good thing, and with how decent it is right now it will only get better.
I don't have the money to buy the best of the best gpu for playing high fps 1440p, so if I can get a gpu that adds a little bit of latency and artifacting for a lot more fps I'm completely fine with it
devout forum
You don't need to buy the best of the best???
7800XT does high framerate 1440p natively
echo thistle
also costs $500
devout forum
Sure it will not go for 250
But let's be real the age of 300 dollar top end GPUs is long gone
echo thistle
I want to do 1440p 240hz in the near future, but I really don't feel like spending many hundreds of dollars on a new gpu that will just barely be enough for that FPS
devout forum
FG imo is a good thing, and with how decent it is right now it will only get bet...
Oh no, someone drank the nGreedAI marketing koolaid...
echo thistle
But let's be real the age of 300 dollar top end GPUs is long gone
True that, but it still would be nice to have the option of getting more performance on a cheaper card
devout forum
Pretty sure 1440p 240hz monitors also go for 200+ dollars
echo thistle
Oh no, someone drank the nGreedAI marketing koolaid...
says the person who was saying how much better dlss3 is
devout forum
So like I don't get the logic behind loving frame gen when you can just not use it
echo thistle
Pretty sure 1440p 240hz monitors also go for 200+ dollars
you can get a very decent monitor for around 200 yes
devout forum
says the person who was saying how much better dlss3 is
Don't get me wrong I despise what nVidia does
But that doesn't mean that DLSS isn't objectively superior
I came up with the nGreedAI nickname
echo thistle
So like I don't get the logic behind loving frame gen when you can just not use ...
why not use it?
devout forum
Why use it if you don't need it?
It adds nothing other than a number on your FPS counter
echo thistle
what if you do need it?
I'd rather play at 60fps higher latency than 30fps lower latency
devout forum
It's gonna be a jittery mess on anything below a 4070 anyway because you'd want 60+ FPS native to start using FG and not suffer too much of a penalty
If you use FG on 30fps native
Or heaven forbid even lower
echo thistle
especially for something like story/single player games that's not super competitive it seems like a no-brainter
devout forum
The FPS counter will say 60
But it will be CRAP
proud jackal
Is strix 5090 out yet
echo thistle
It's gonna be a jittery mess on anything below a 4070 anyway because you'd want ...
mwahahahahahahahaa
devout forum
Is strix 5090 out yet
In our dreams
north crescent
FG imo is a good thing, and with how decent it is right now it will only get bet...
A lotttt of people have a pretty big gripe with temporal and halo artifacting that happens in any standard UE5 game. The artifacting that comes with frame generation is even worse. It can be an okay thing to have sure, but it isnt something devs should rely on like they currently are. But that ship has sailed. Major engines such as UE5 are already pushing for short as possible dev times at cost of massive perf/artifacting issues. Devs dont really have time to do it the nice way due to poor management from higher ups, esp after them needing to now do additional work and fix how a game engine should be doing things.
devout forum
FG should be a boon, not a requirement
But we live in a world where you NEED frame gen on high side of mid end for bare 60fps
echo thistle
A lotttt of people have a pretty big gripe with temporal and halo artifacting th...
I agree that no game devs should NEED frame gen for their games to run smoothly on anything but the highest end cards, but they should have the OPTION to use it for people who are fine with the drawbacks
north crescent
But we live in a world where you NEED frame gen on high side of mid end for bare...
Also kinda only for the outlier games rn, unless one is running on ultra. Medium generally be fine for mid end hardware.
echo thistle
The cards that need it the most usually can't do FG anyway
which is something that the b580 has changed (somewhat)
echo thistle
XESS 2 isn't open source?
isn't it XESS 1.3?
echo thistle
yes I am talking about FG
north crescent
XeSS is just like FSR and DLSS, it has versions. FG is only in XeSS2
echo thistle
XESS 2 isn't open source?
Not changing it for other cards, but introducing decent frame gen to the lower end GPU market
devout forum
Arc A-series cards are NOT XESS 2.0 compatible to the best of my knowledge
north crescent
From Intels site
echo thistle
4060 was just ass value to begin with so it doesn't count
then what the heck is LTT doing
echo thistle
confusing
devout forum
XESS 2.0 is the new stuff that's B-series only
Which contains FG
So Intel just shafted the early adopters of the A-gen
echo thistle
off topic, why do you
keep doing this?
devout forum
sorry I messed up
Makes your nickname ironic lol
devout forum
off topic, why do you
keep doing this?
Reasons
But yes the two are not the same thing
echo thistle
Makes your nickname ironic lol
I have this username for this reason specifically
devout forum
Best irony is self-irony after all
echo thistle
yahoo self-depricating jokes!
devout forum
Anyhow
The B580 is great, but the reason isn't upscaling or FG
It's great cuz it's 1440p capable for 250 bucks
echo thistle
The B580 is great, but the reason isn't upscaling or FG
agreed, but the fact that it has a decent version of both is quite nice
sage sluice
What the sigma
You stole my child
devout forum
The sad thing that this will not even slightly phase nGreedAI
It's only pressuring AMD
echo thistle
It's great cuz it's 1440p capable for 250 bucks
technically used 3070 has been doing that for a while but that's seperate thing
devout forum
Team Greedn can literally slap whatever price on any garbage card (see: 50 series spec leaks) and people WILL buy it all up just cuz it's got a green box
proud jackal
Twitter
devout forum
And I'm guilty of that myself
proud jackal
echo thistle
yeah, I'm somewhat trapped in that also, for some reason it's just so appetizing
echo thistle
cl26 is crazy
devout forum
I'd prefer a 4080S over a 7900XTX (mainly because of the power efficiency and creator-catered functions)
devout forum
Wait didn't CL26 count as like really good DDR4 mem back then?
north crescent
XESS 2.0 is the new stuff that's B-series only
Which contains FG
Any info I can find seems to suggest that all XeSS2 features with on Alchemist
echo thistle
I'd prefer a 4080S over a 7900XTX (mainly because of the power efficiency and cr...
for me it comes down to price, and since both are the same price (occasionally) I'll usually choose nvidia bcause of random fun features I wanna mess around with
devout forum
I'd prefer a 4080S over a 7900XTX (mainly because of the power efficiency and cr...
My reason for this: I live in a tiny, aircon-less room with summers that get to 40 degrees centigrade, power costs a crapton per kWh and I have limited desk space (on average 4080s are available in smaller sizes than XTXs)
echo thistle
no aircon???
devout forum
I can't really spare the heat budget for a power-hungry beast like an XTX
devout forum
no aircon???
Eastern Europe
echo thistle
I luckily live in a place where I do have aircon, and waterpower is stupidly cheap
devout forum
We ain't that rich
velvet summit
waterpower?
devout forum
So I'd have to make sure that an upgrade of that caliber lasts me at least 3 years
echo thistle
waterpower?
power made from water, water power
icy obsidian
typically use hydro
devout forum
But ye
sinful blade
Do you guys wanna see my Burger King colouring book pages
devout forum
If we had nuclear or hydro power and aircon, I'd easily get the XTX
echo thistle
nuclear is cheaper though (i think?)
not near me, I live in the pacific northwest so we have tons of dams and such
devout forum
But we don't, so I have to consider power usage and heat output as well as framerates and price
velvet summit
but yeah electricity here is also dirt cheap, there's a few nuclear plants in my province alone
sinful blade
They were difficult to colour because I have big fingers and they are small things
echo thistle
So I'd have to make sure that an upgrade of that caliber lasts me at least 3 yea...
last pc I had lasted me 5 years or so, and it was already a decade old at that point
devout forum
Power costs like 65 cents per kWh for us (with subsidization from the government)
velvet summit
damn
echo thistle
They were difficult to colour because I have big fingers and they are small thin...
why are the snowmen orange???
devout forum
Even in Europe we have among the highest power costs
sinful blade
why are the snowmen orange???
ORANGE SNOWMEN
icy obsidian
Power costs like 65 cents per kWh for us (with subsidization from the government...
thats basically the same as honduras. thats crazy
echo thistle
Power costs like 65 cents per kWh for us (with subsidization from the government...
I have about 10 cents per kilowatt
devout forum
It's gonna be pretty big
Getting even to 30 was good before
26 would be like 3% alone
That's kinda crazy uplift at the highest end
But not worth unless you go 9800X3D+5090 already
velvet summit
my house has time of use rates so the expensive electricity is like 16c/kwh, and off peak it's like 8c/kwh
devout forum
Above CL36 it kinda gets very pricey very quickly
velvet summit
canadian cents
echo thistle
cl30 is the standard for ddr5 no?
devout forum
Besides CL36 is already good enough
32 is the price sweet spot iirc currently
velvet summit
devout forum
cl30 is the standard for ddr5 no?
Which standard?
echo thistle
32gb kits under $100 standard
devout forum
There's the "standard" and there's the recommended
echo thistle
made by yours truly
devout forum
Standard is like CL48
echo thistle
cl48 is crazy
echo thistle
but you can get a decent ddr5 6000mhz cl30 32gb kit for under $100 easily
devout forum
Anything above that is technically overclocking
devout forum
but you can get a decent ddr5 6000mhz cl30 32gb kit for under $100 easily
Depends on market
echo thistle
so that's the baseline I've set for now
echo thistle
Depends on market
US market is where most people I help are, so that's my standard
devout forum
6000 cl30 kits start at 150 USD for me (again, Eastern Europe and high VAT)
100 dollars gets you a 2ร16gb 5600 CL40
devout forum
But if you have Hynix you can just set timings and get the same effect
proud jackal
I'm at 6000cl30 rn
devout forum
With Hynix dies the XMP/EXPO numbers kinda don't matter that much
proud jackal
devout forum
They OC like a dream
echo thistle
my gskill ripjaws ddr4 kit absolutely cannot OC no matter what lol
devout forum
P sure buildzoid did his world record OCs on some ancient 4800 CL56 sticks
Good old-fashioned green PCB ones
echo thistle
green is best
devout forum
Ew
echo thistle
how dare you
devout forum
Why would you want to look at goose crap when you peek at your PC?
echo thistle
why would you reference goose crap instead of something nice like nature?
devout forum
/j
echo thistle
sent that a little too late
devout forum
why would you reference goose crap instead of something nice like nature?
Because that fits my joke
devout forum
sent that a little too late
Using slash emotes on phone is paim
It's desperately trying to send commands
echo thistle
anyways i really want to swap my case so I can look at my beautifully non-cable managed PC
currently using AP201 non-TG
craggy shoal
Get another AP201
echo thistle
never
craggy shoal
(best mATX case other than the A3)
devout forum
AP201 is kinda cool
echo thistle
(best mATX case other than the A3)
jonsbo d31 wants to have a chat
devout forum
In many ways actually
craggy shoal
jonsbo d31 wants to have a chat
Ping me next time you weak goober
echo thistle
I'm getting to the point where I've circled back to wanting obscene amounts of RGB
echo thistle
Ping me next time you weak goober
never
devout forum
Also the D31 is kinda eh
Airflow is somewhat limited cuz of the side panel
Nom-TG 201 can have almost absolute airflow
craggy shoal
intake from the rear is weird
You also should've labeled the PSU lol
I guess that's an air-cooled CPU isn't it?
echo thistle
intake from the rear is weird
it's so that the CPU actually gets some cool air instead of recycling warm air from the GPU
echo thistle
I guess that's an air-cooled CPU isn't it?
indeed
echo thistle
You also should've labeled the PSU lol
you can figure it out :)
devout forum
Honestly I'd rather just have the front, bottom and top as intakes
And let positive pressure do the rest
echo thistle
huh
craggy shoal
Front can't be an intake. That's where the PSU goes
echo thistle
front is psu so not possible, and where would exhaust go?
devout forum
Front can't be an intake. That's where the PSU goes
Eh, same point
echo thistle
top as intake is crazy
devout forum
front is psu so not possible, and where would exhaust go?
Anywhere with free area
You literally forcefeed all the air into the case and let it go out wherever
Keeps dust out
devout forum
So funny thing
Heat rises yes
But if you have large positive pressure in the case
It'll blow out through every hole and blow the hot air away from the case
devout forum
Imagine the case as a balloon
Well it ain't the greatest analogy
More like a tank
icy obsidian
pretty sure that counts as 5 yes votes
craggy shoal
The whole front is perforated though
echo thistle
thumbs up doesn't count remove those
devout forum
The whole front is perforated though
So that's where it will likely shove the air out
rancid juniper
lmfao is this true?
echo thistle
my cousins pressured my into buying and playing it lol, it's alright but not my type of game
devout forum
The idea is that you have more intake fans than exhaust ones
Which creates excess pressure in the case that vents out to the rest of the room
echo thistle
which is another reason I made the back fan intake
devout forum
So you won't have dust sucked into the case
rancid juniper
my cousins pressured my into buying and playing it lol, it's alright but not my ...
ive seen it go on sale a few times, i once asked if i should get it in this server and everyone said no XD
devout forum
Tbf I dunno how dust is filtered with the 201
So it might not work that well with it
echo thistle
there's a filter on the bottom and nowhere else lol
Currently I want to get the APNX V1, but I can't really buy it for another few years
devout forum
The panels are fine perforations right?
devout forum
1mm hole diameter?
devout forum
That's fine enough to mostly filter
echo thistle
alright I'll swap the fans later today possibly and I'll post the results
For now I'll leave and do some schoolwork, nice talking to y'all
grand kernel
Nvidia CPU with a defect that renders it borderline unusable
perfect
hollow barn
Would asking if someone knows of a USB 3.1 5 Meter cable be best done in Peripherals?
craggy shoal
What?
craggy shoal
I wanna play VR with a USB 3.1 Cable
It'll work
hollow barn
It'll work
Yeah, but all cables I saw for now is 5GB/s instead 10GB/s
hollow barn
God yes
craggy shoal
I was using USB 2.0 for a second
hollow barn
I hate WiFi VR
hollow barn
I was using USB 2.0 for a second
If SteamVR would cooperate with USB 2.0
grand kernel
brilliant work from their web dev team
dusk knot
AI this, AI that
north crescent
brilliant work from their web dev team
That's how you're suppose to view websites. You read faster when random bloat takes up 90% of the screen
sage sluice
AI is bleh
craggy shoal
brilliant work from their web dev team
I wish there was a way to block the cookie agreement
hollow barn
I was using USB 2.0 for a second
Meta Quest Link?
hollow barn
Because SteamVR didn't cooperate with USB 2.0 at all
sage sluice
How many of yall are actually excited for ai development
craggy shoal
It was a while ago so who knows
fair onyx
somebody is claiming this is a 3060 ๐ญ
craggy shoal
How many of yall are *actually* excited for ai development
I mean I like AI but Iโm not excited about it
craggy shoal
AI being implemented as a self-hosted solution, rather than having all of the implementations directly on your device: Iโm excited about this
The opposite: just get rid of it. Garbage implementation of AI
fair onyx
How many of yall are *actually* excited for ai development
I work in the field, and it has enabled tons of people who are disabled or less capable to be able to do incredible things
With that said, a huge amount of people use it for scummy reasons, and closed source AI like ChatGPT is just sad and should be dealt away with. Open source crowd supported "run it yourself" AI is rapdily outpacing bigger names, and allowing people do to what they want
fair onyx
AI being implemented as a self-hosted solution, rather than having all of the im...
yes, exactly this! I work on self hosted AI model training for the masses because of this. I refuse to use anything from closed companies. If its closed, its worthless
frigid stag
somebody is claiming this is a 3060 ๐ญ
More like a 360 ๐
hollow barn
More like a 360 ๐
Xbox 360?
frigid stag
Or Xbox 360 gpu
hollow barn
lmao
frigid stag
I meant like gtx 360 tho
north crescent
yes, exactly this! I work on self hosted AI model training for the masses becaus...
DLSS cries in sadness
hollow barn
I meant like gtx 360 tho <:kekw:741678350791081994>
Which is literally a whole Xbox 360
frigid stag
Probably around that level
fair onyx
DLSS cries in sadness
I mean more so closed services that are being sold
Open source locally run AI can considerably out go overpriced and extremely problematic services like chat GPT
A new coding model from ByteDance called QwenCoder can run on a 24GB card, or on a CPU with 32GB memory, and it can match and even surpass chatGPT4o in coding benchmarks and usability
Its free, open source, and has an Apache license
download it, run it, do whatever you want with it
My employment is in the image generation scene, specifically for product vis and production planning for companies and advertizing. Specifically high speed trained mock-ups of promotional material. Its an exceptionally beneficial use for AI
Test thousands of ideas, find ones that look good, spend more time and money doing the ones that look good. Less resources wasted, improved results and outcomes
hollow barn
Probably around that level
I mean the GPU itself is the Xbox 360
hollow barn
Ye
fair onyx
they want $150 for it lol
if it was a real 3060, hell, I would do it. I need a second GPU really bad right now, even if its weak or slow or something
I just need more VRAM
hollow barn
they want $150 for it lol
That means then it's a whole Xbox 360 ๐คทโโ๏ธ
frigid stag
if it was a real 3060, hell, I would do it. I need a second GPU really bad right...
1080 ti ๐ฟ
fair onyx
1080 ti ๐ฟ
ah, no... Unfortunately thats too old to be even remotely useful for what I do. I really wish if WAS something I could do tho
hollow barn
1080 ti ๐ฟ
What do you think?
fair onyx
I found it
frigid stag
Damn
fair onyx
the card is a GT1030 lol
frigid stag
ah, no... Unfortunately thats too old to be even remotely useful for what I do. ...
๐ญ
Didnโt realise it was that old
fair onyx
frigid stag
What do you think?
Poor manโs Sli
hollow barn
Poor manโs Sli <:kekw:741678350791081994>
I don't even SLI
fair onyx
I just sold my second GPU and I miss it so much already, so I am looking for a replacement in my system
hollow barn
Poor manโs Sli <:kekw:741678350791081994>
Guess what I use the GTX 1050 Ti for by the way
fair onyx
Didnโt realise it was that old
for what I do, its completely and utterly useless
frigid stag
Guess what I use the GTX 1050 Ti for by the way
Encoding?
fair onyx
unfortunately
frigid stag
๐
fair onyx
I mean, thats a solid use for one
fair onyx
for how cheap you can get them, it would be nice if you do streaming of some kind, so I can't blame you haha
sage sluice
I work in the field, and it has enabled tons of people who are disabled or less ...
It really is a give and take, i just wish for consumer use it wasnt so freely accessible
fair onyx
I wish I could find like... a super banged up 4060ti 16GB or something, and just pay a little and fix it up
hollow barn
for how cheap you can get them, it would be nice if you do streaming of some kin...
Yeah, if I need to record/stream that is a neat thing
frigid stag
I wish I could find like... a super banged up 4060ti 16GB or something, and just...
You need a cheap Titan rtx
24gb vram
fair onyx
It really is a give and take, i just wish for consumer use it wasnt so freely ac...
Local run solution sthat are specialized for what you need = amazing
Crappy/sloppy/overly artifical AI from the likes of OpenAi thats too accessible to people who have no idea what they are doing = Literally ruining the world
hoary zodiac
I wish I could find like... a super banged up 4060ti 16GB or something, and just...
2080 super?
fair onyx
You need a cheap Titan rtx
unfortunatellyyy.... thats also useless
hoary zodiac
they go for quite cheap these days
fair onyx
2080 super?
useless ๐ญ
frigid stag
:(
fair onyx
Trust me, I TRIED
frigid stag
๐ญ
fair onyx
its only Ampere or love lace. Anything older is useless
frigid stag
Bro it has nvlink, tensor cores etc
fair onyx
I was about to buy a 22GB modded 2080ti from a friend who does VRAM mods... But its useless. It doesn't have support for packages I need to run
hoary zodiac
I'm assuming if turing doesn't work the radeons are completely out of the question
fair onyx
yeah, unfortunately
hoary zodiac
yeah that's to be expected
fair onyx
well, not entirely, but it would undermine what I am doing
frigid stag
Volta is too old too?
hoary zodiac
used 3070?
fair onyx
I need to be able to pool together VRAM with my 3090
fair onyx
Volta is too old too?
yeah
hoary zodiac
don't you need nvlink for that?
frigid stag
3090 has nvlink
fair onyx
used 3070?
that DOES work, but the price to performance is bad. I need more VRAM. A 3060 would be a much better option
frigid stag
Maybe u just need a cheap 3090
fair onyx
don't you need nvlink for that?
not for this style of pooling
fair onyx
I was running 3090 and 3060ti, and it worked great. But I sold the 3060ti to a family friend
fair onyx
I really want more VRAM than that, cause I need more
frigid stag
Thereโs really cheap deals on Facebook sometimes
fair onyx
Maybe u just need a cheap 3090
I have considered getting a second one, but I would need to upgrade so much of my system
thats teh only thing thats held me off
hoary zodiac
well
frigid stag
People out there getting 400$ and below 3090s
hoary zodiac
there could be an option
you could wait for gpu releases
that's usually when people start dumping last gen gpus
frigid stag
Maybe b580 
fair onyx
I mean, thats not gonna improve anything, especially cause Tarrifs hit soon
frigid stag
Or a770 16gb
fair onyx
those are also useless. It has to be NVIDIA. It needs to be able to pool with my 3090, and it needs to either be Ampere, or Ada Lovelace
I have been holding out that I could find like a mangled or dirty card
I found a 3060 for $200, which isn't tooo bad
thats 4 more GB VRAM
which puts me atttt.... 36GB
still nothing for this scene, but it helps ๐ญ
hoary zodiac
quadros?
frigid stag
Cheap 4070 is the way
hoary zodiac
do they still make those?
fair onyx
quadros are wayyyyyyy too expensive for too little mem unfortunately
hoary zodiac
damn
fair onyx
Cheap 4070 is the way
why would that be the way? Its still 12GB VRAM. I can get that with a 3060
and a 4070 is way overpriced
frigid stag
It has much more performance
fair onyx
ok, I should clarify. Perf = does not matter
VRAM = Only thing that matters
hoary zodiac
crypto mining also requires vram horsepower over raw performance
there is an overlap here so
frigid stag
Thereโs no nvidia card with more vram apart from the 4070 ti super and higher or 3090s. Except 4060 ti I guess
fair onyx
the best option would be the 4060ti 16GB, but those cards are so expensive and so underpowered
If I did a second 3090, I would have to dump so much more money into upgrading my system to handle it, which is annoying
fair onyx
those will be highly worthless TBH
fair onyx
people keep saying the prices will crash... Prices are gonna hike man
Tarrifs hit in January
hoary zodiac
I trust the market
fair onyx
100% import tarrif =/ lower prices
hoary zodiac
wouldn't they have excemptions for key industries?
fair onyx
if tarifs hit in full effect as they are proposed, a $2000 5090 will sell for minimum $4k
fair onyx
wouldn't they have excemptions for key industries?
not in the way they were proposed. It was proposed as a 100% tarrif on EVERYTHING
hoary zodiac
they would have excemptions for countries like taiwan no?
wait no it doesn't even impact the exporters
only the importers
yeah lol good luck
the rich get richer
fair onyx
Yeah, it basically means that everything that's going to come into the country is going to double in price. Which means that people are going to be able to price gouge the hell out of their GPUs
That's why I'm trying to buy a GPU before that happens, because then at least I won't be forced to pay absurd amounts of money to get a second GPU
lone mango
Good thing tsmc just finished their fab in arizona
fair onyx
Technically, I do own a 3080 right now that I am not using. However I have been purposely holding off on selling it, because of the tariffs
hoary zodiac
Good thing tsmc just finished their fab in arizona
that's just the fab tho
lone mango
They have two more on the way I think
nocturne flicker
The TSMC fab won't be making their best silicon anyways
fair onyx
In order for me to use that 3080 right now, I'd have to spend a boatload of money upgrading my system in order to be able to use it
hoary zodiac
you need a lot more than the silicon to make a graphics card
lone mango
Itโs gonna be making 5 and 4 nm
fair onyx
Yeah, the silicon is the most expensive part, but it is only one out of thousands of components
nocturne flicker
Taiwan prohibits TSMC from making their best stuff outside Taiwan
fair onyx
But yeah, that's why I'm not trying to wait for 5,000 series. I'm trying to figure out a solution now to where I can buy before that massive tariff hits. I'm honestly probably just going to buy a used 4060 TI 16GB if I can find one
hoary zodiac
maybe an ex-mining card?
fair onyx
Or, I could just take a hit on the 4GB VRAM and do a 3060 I guess
hoary zodiac
although not sure if miners even use 30-40 series
considering that it's been pretty unprofitable
fair onyx
I sold my 3060ti for $230, which was a good bit below what I should have, but it was to a family friend that really needed one for his son
nocturne flicker
Buy gpu and solder more ram on
fair onyx
I have a friend that does that
lone mango
Yeah, the silicon is the most expensive part, but it is only one out of thousand...
So itโs not completely over
fair onyx
I have a friend that does that
like, no joke
lone mango
you need a lot more than the silicon to make a graphics card
True but it is the main cost
lone mango
Taiwan prohibits TSMC from making their best stuff outside Taiwan
Over
hoary zodiac
ehhh
fair onyx
He sells 22GB GTX 1080ti, 2080tis 16GB 3060ti's, 16GB 3070's
hoary zodiac
GPUs are very complex
unless you can manufacture every component domestically
you're gonna have to import something
fair onyx
If I can find a really cheap and crappy used 3060ti, I can have him mem mod it
nocturne flicker
22gb 1080ti ๐
fair onyx
hes curious about trying a 20GB 3080
but he said thats a lot of money to risk on it potentially not working
frigid stag
20gb 3080s do exist
hoary zodiac
I wonder
frigid stag
Fully made
fair onyx
I was about to buy a 22GB 2080ti from him, but they are damn near useless for AI
hoary zodiac
what's the crypto hashrate for those cards
even the pascals
surely with that much vram even a crappy pascal can mine pretty well
actually no 1080ti uses gddr5x
that's really slow
misty sparrow
-# i wonder if its hard to upgrade the memory on a graphics card
dusk knot
It is
fair onyx
I reported the GT1030 guy
nocturne flicker
Yeah, Pascal doesn't have a high enough hashrate for crypto shenanigans anymore
hoary zodiac
I think it's mostly due to GDDR5X
fair onyx
-# i wonder if its hard to upgrade the memory on a graphics card
not too hard if you practice. Buddy of mine has a job specifically doing that
fair onyx
hes modded over 20 2080ti's to be 22GB
hoary zodiac
and it did not impact performance
lone mango
Does anyone do stocks
lone mango
Iโm a stock normie and im tryna find something to stick to forever
lone mango
it's all in the vram
fair onyx
Yeah, I mined for a bit and I got my 3060ti to 64hashes with cranked VRAM and lowered core
hoary zodiac
This is not financial advice but banks are generally safe
nocturne flicker
Find an index etf or mutual fund and put your money in it
hoary zodiac
do your own research
lone mango
Nah im tryna find an app. Im split between acorns or fidelity
hoary zodiac
oh
misty sparrow
not too hard if you practice. Buddy of mine has a job specifically doing that
it seems really enticing with how low the vram amount is on cards like the 3060ti
8GB is a warcrime
fair onyx
Yeahhh... I am trying to find a good price 3060ti for him to mod
misty sparrow
can it be done to all 3060tis or only specific models though?
misty sparrow
alright
fair onyx
like, skews
frigid stag
RX 580 had 8GB btw
So did the 1070
fair onyx
3060ti, 3070
hoary zodiac
do you have to get a certain vbios?
lone mango
there is no reason cards should have this low amount of vram
Bro the 390 had 8g
misty sparrow
only certain cards can be modded
dammit
lone mango
That thing came out like 2015
misty sparrow
i really wanted to take the 3060ti i have now and give it a few more GBs of vram
hoary zodiac
Bro the 390 had 8g
exactly
fair onyx
i really wanted to take the 3060ti i have now and give it a few more GBs of vram
you can, I just mean only certain card SKEWS can
misty sparrow
skews?
fair onyx
skew as in 3060ti, 3070, 3090
lone mango
And was basically a 290 but more vram
fair onyx
a 3060 cannot be VRAM modded
lone mango
So it was even older kinda
frigid stag
amd uses more vram to render the same thing so its comparable to 6gb 1060
hoary zodiac
so a card would twice or triple the performance should not only have 8GB vram
fair onyx
yup
misty sparrow
a 3060 cannot be VRAM modded
oh, alright. thought you meant gpus from certain manufacturers like EVGA or something
misty sparrow
like SKUs
fair onyx
yes, sorry, SKU, not skew lmao
the criteria is that the GPU has single GB VRAM chips
if it already uses 2GB chips (like the 3060), you can't mod it higher
the process is just unsoldering the 1GB chips, then soldering in 2GB chips in their place
misty sparrow
i'd imagine you would have to flash certain firmware on it to even be able to use the new VRAM
fair onyx
you have to be very good with microsoldering though, and my friend is
fair onyx
i'd imagine you would have to flash certain firmware on it to even be able to us...
surprisingly no
lone mango
You gotta get a vbios for it
misty sparrow
really? that makes things easy then
hoary zodiac
does it have to be a specific sku of ram?
fair onyx
well, at least the 2080ti 22GB and the 3060ti 16GB don't need it at all
I have a friend with 4X 2080ti 22GB's and he said they just work like normal
You need a different vbios when you try to add more CHIPS
hoary zodiac
wait
fair onyx
this is just taking 8 1GB chips and making them 2GB
fair onyx
you can add MORE?
yessss, but also kinda noooo, its a real big pain in the ASS lmao
hoary zodiac
wouldn't that introduce latency tho
fair onyx
like, the 3090D, with 48GB
misty sparrow
What's a vbios?
hoary zodiac
and all the other headaches
lone mango
I swear the guy in the video said he was gonna swap the vbios for the new vram