general-chat

[mortal grail]

Check them out

[sweet phoenix]

And 7600 works out to be a good bit cheaper

[slate ice]

I mean this micro center. This is where they could build it for me correct?

[mortal grail]

Two minds about this, not worth cos you can just sell the mobo anyway

[sweet phoenix]

$30 on cooler, $40 on cpu and $20 on mobo, although thay mobo doesn't have wifi

[mortal grail]

It's worth when the price difference is small

[mortal grail]

If they were nearby yeah

[sweet phoenix]

They do offer that service but they also have really good cpu mobo ram combos

It's local only though

[slate ice]

Hmm

[sweet phoenix]

Wdym?

[mortal grail]

The price difference you lose in value adjustment isn't worth keeping the motherboard over if the difference is <50

[slate ice]

Can you give me a small rundown on these components and why you chose them?

[sweet phoenix]

14600k is about $80 extra with extra mobo cost and cooler

[mortal grail]

You sell both instead of the cpu alone

[mortal grail]

It's also faster

Much faster

[sweet phoenix]

By like 5%

[mortal grail]

Lol

[sweet phoenix]

?

[sweet phoenix]

Mainly just good performance at their price points

[mortal grail]

12600K = 7600 roughly

[sweet phoenix]

Nahh

[mortal grail]

And even with late amd patches it's still similar

Yes?

When 7000 series released their big tout was similar performance to a 12900K

Lol

[sweet phoenix]

I'm just confused now

12600k is about 10% worse than the 13600k

7600/x is about 5% behind the 13600k

[slate ice]

How does the Radeon compare with Nvidia?

What’s the equivalent?

[sweet phoenix]

4070 ti super

[rancid juniper]

Suped up

[slate ice]

Would I see a big jump if I got a 4080v

?

Do either of these run 4k?

[sweet phoenix]

I wouldnt bother with 4k, 1440p is a better experience for most people

[idle nexus]

sadly you have to define "run" lol

[mortal grail]

Nvm it's shifted

[idle nexus]

I heart 4k

[mortal grail]

Carry on

Lol

[sweet phoenix]

Lol

[mortal grail]

It did used to be a lot better tho

[idle nexus]

dude 13600K at 6400 memory is a joke

[sweet phoenix]

Id say do this @slate ice

[mortal grail]

Point holds for the budget

[sweet phoenix]

And if you want a 4080, id suggest the 7900xtx at almost $200 cheaper

[idle nexus]

what's a 7200 kit even cost anymore? lol

[sweet phoenix]

I think like 130ish

[idle nexus]

my 7200 2x24 kit wasn't even expensive a year ago

ya like $120-$130 ish

[sweet phoenix]

$97

[slate ice]

What’s the big diff between the 1420 and 1330 builds?

[sweet phoenix]

We just had a convo about it, the 7600 is the better choice for you

The 14600k would be better for people doing workstation tasks

[rancid juniper]

money: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kgbWb2

[mortal grail]

Wtf

Bacca

[slate ice]

So the more expensive one is better for me

[mortal grail]

GRE gone

[sweet phoenix]

But the two are identical in games, and with am5 you can drop a new cpu in down the line

[sweet phoenix]

One second

Yes the $1420 one

[idle nexus]

imo 7200 is the minimum you should benchmark 13/14th gen at

[sweet phoenix]

It has a monitor included

[idle nexus]

Intel is already behind, give them a heckin chance jeez

[rancid juniper]

bro what?

[sweet phoenix]

So it's actually cheaper than the 14600k list with monitor factored in

[rancid juniper]

💀

[mortal grail]

@slate ice alternative to the 1420 one
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8wcWb2

[idle nexus]

memory speed for benchmarking?

[rancid juniper]

oh

[idle nexus]

lol ya

[rancid juniper]

heh

[wraith fern]

7200 mhz minimum

[idle nexus]

I think most boards should run 7600 easily by now

[rancid juniper]

L raptorlake mem controller

[wraith fern]

if youre not getting 7200mhz on ur 13 series than ur doing something wrong

😂

[mortal grail]

*7200

If locked sku 6800

Max

[idle nexus]

even mediocre Z690s (Z690 Unify-X) can do 7600 lol

[mortal grail]

If you talk oc then yeah higher

[idle nexus]

okay locked SKU but that's kind of a horse of a different color or whatever that stupid saying is

[mortal grail]

A techie of a different colour is not a horse of a mod

[idle nexus]

locked SKU you're lucky to get 7200

[mortal grail]

6800 is the norm max

[hoary zodiac]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cHG7TM

[slate ice]

What downgrade is this one?

[idle nexus]

either way, 6400 isn't really fair imo

[hoary zodiac]

my new pc

is this good value?

should I buy it?

[mortal grail]

Gpu but it gets your specs in a better balance if you really prefer 1300

We'd suggest 7900GRE here which is a small downgrade comparably to the 7900XT but it's been out of stock

And we don't know if it'll be back in stock

[idle nexus]

it likely won't tho no?

[slate ice]

If I was just specifically looking to buy the gpu alone first, what’s the overall best?

Is it still this Radeon?

[idle nexus]

overall best is 4090

[mortal grail]

Best in terms of your needs?

[hoary zodiac]

wait

[idle nexus]

for like 1-2 more months lol

[hoary zodiac]

why does a s12iii 550w cost $109

wtf

[slate ice]

Yeah

[hoary zodiac]

that's more than a RMx

[mortal grail]

It'd be the 7900XT but you definitely need to go over budget to make it fit

Or rather, over 1300

[slate ice]

I mean best for value

[idle nexus]

you know what Intel should do

[mortal grail]

Either or

They're both good

[slate ice]

I’m guessing the whole build is centered around the gpu

[idle nexus]

since they're shaking stuff up with like minimum what? 12 or is it 10gb on entry level cards

Intel XeLI

make multiple GPUs great again

[lone mango]

[mortal grail]

More or less cos gaming

This is about as cheap as you could fit a 7900XT
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/th3q3w

[hoary zodiac]

I got the newest and greatest GPU

[mortal grail]

It's a big jump over the 7800XT to be fair

[idle nexus]

Intel should bring back SLI lol

[hoary zodiac]

Intel?

[mortal grail]

But the catch is you need to use AliExpress for the 7500F

[idle nexus]

12900HX lol

[idle nexus]

lol Intel version

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-dance-bocchi-pink-bocchi-rock-gif-1051343259904425496

[idle nexus]

ig there's still crossfire but does anyone use that?

[slate ice]

So is this better than the 1420?

[hoary zodiac]

I don't think crossfire is supported

on newer cards

[idle nexus]

it's still supported on newer motherboards oddly

[mortal grail]

It's basically identical with some more cost shaving and more aesthetics if you like that sort of thing

[hoary zodiac]

maybe they forgot to remove support

[icy ore]

weeb brain 24/7

[slate ice]

I have vengeance ddr4 sticks already 64 gb

[idle nexus]

iirc both X670E Taichi & Z790 Apex support AMD Crossfire lol

[mortal grail]

Sell those

[slate ice]

That will fit in any of these right?

[mortal grail]

Nope

[slate ice]

Oh damn, really

[mortal grail]

If you have a good AM4 motherboard I could work with that

If not, no, time to sell honestly

[slate ice]

Just because it’s ddr4?

[mortal grail]

The motherboards use DDR5, it's physically not gonna fit in these new lists

[wise haven]

I need a new microwave

[mortal grail]

If you own an existing good AM4 motherboard, I can tailor the suggestion around that

Otherwise it's time to sell those and move on

[slate ice]

My current is probably awful

I don’t even know the components

[mortal grail]

A picture of the motherboard would tell me a lot

I am pretty good at guessing

Lol

[sweet phoenix]

A320 time

[slate ice]

It’s asrock b560m-c

[mortal grail]

Rip

[sweet phoenix]

Oh that's intel

No upgrade path

[slate ice]

Yeah

I’m stuck at a dead end

[idle nexus]

X670E taichi supports it but maybe AMD just throws the licensing/technology in with whatever deal they make with AIBs lol

[mortal grail]

As cost stripped as physically possible
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YyWWb2

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805937115185.html

7500f link^

[slate ice]

Looks like the cpu is out of stock

[mortal grail]

Click the link

Lol

It's in stock just not on pcpartpicker

[slate ice]

If ai’m building this myself, won’t I need some gel and stuff for the processor?

Are there other expenses?

[mortal grail]

Cooler comes with some

[idle nexus]

thermal paste

fans?

I didn't check the parts list hold on lol

[mortal grail]

Nope this should be everything minus tax and any possible shipping

[fresh nova]

Yes

I've been watching

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-gif-22028515

[fresh nova]

Lurking

[slate ice]

Final decision?

[idle nexus]

kinda skeptical about this on AMD's website... 8500G is 2.7x faster than 14700K in Cyberpunk? bruh

[fresh nova]

@slate ice Glad one of us was around to help with it, congrats on the build!

[velvet summit]

https://youtu.be/H0Yirlo6WSU

[mortal grail]

Pick from any of what you've seen so far honestly

[slate ice]

Thanks and I appreciate you guys

[idle nexus]

what kind of cherry picking nonsense is this

[slate ice]

I’d be pretty lost without the assistance

[fresh nova]

[mortal grail]

There's not really a bad pick from mine or Bacca's lists

Just what you like

Best value

Max value however is the last one

[fresh nova]

false

[idle nexus]

7500F comes with stonk cooler btw

[slate ice]

I’ll go with that then, I can’t really tell the minor differences between them

[mortal grail]

I've seen people not get one lol

[idle nexus]

65w TDP? might be enough?

more lies on AMD's website apparently then lol

[mortal grail]

All good, the last one is pretty powerful, will play basically everything in 1440p

Monitor is really good too

[fresh nova]

Stock cooler is fine for 65W TDP

You don't agree?

[idle nexus]

what about 7600X3D

how much is Microcenter asking for that thing anyway

[mortal grail]

More the question that not all 7500f's ship with one from aliexpress

[idle nexus]

it's like half of my CPU but 100% of the performance lol

[mortal grail]

He's too far from mc

[idle nexus]

heck

[fresh nova]

Not the slightest surprised

[slate ice]

Will I see any major performance diff using this one?

The gpu is a bit worse right, that’s the only difference

But can still run 1440

[idle nexus]

Amazon has it but probably more expensive https://www.amazon.com/3-7GHz-12-Thread-Processor-100-000000597-Without/dp/B0CQ3XVDJK

$10 more than AliExpress ig

[mortal grail]

Vs that one yeah

About

20%?

25?

[idle nexus]

AliExpress listing I found does not include wraith cooler btw

[mortal grail]

It's a good jump for $100

[slate ice]

Oh damn that’s huge

[idle nexus]

heck same with Amazon

[fresh nova]

7600 fr sure

Although

Brooo

[mortal grail]

Yeah and that's the most trustworthy aliE article

[idle nexus]

9600X is $20 more?

7600 is $25 less?

[mortal grail]

Don't shop on amazon for that

Lmfao

7500F is a 7600 with no igpu

Big savings for $50

[idle nexus]

oh I saw it for $215 on AliExpress

[fresh nova]

amd software OC it

[idle nexus]

I should look at your listing before I run my mouth ig lol

[mortal grail]

140 on there

[fresh nova]

OC it the 100 or 200mhz & become 7600

[mortal grail]

Lol all good

[mortal grail]

PBO and boom

[idle nexus]

oh wow ya $140 nvm

[slate ice]

Where would you guys try to sell an old cyberpower prebuilt?

[fresh nova]

I hate amd did that

[mortal grail]

Sell locally

[slate ice]

What should I ask for it?

[mortal grail]

Shipping a pc is a nightmare

Idk what's it got

Sell it for a potato 😂

[slate ice]

Easiest way to link that info here?

[mortal grail]

Just tell me the cpu, the gpu

And maybe the case

[idle nexus]

what about 8400F? https://www.antonline.com/AMD/Computers/Electronic_Components/Microprocessors/1504437

[idle nexus]

with wraith cooler lol

[mortal grail]

Got a gpu?

[slate ice]

Rtx 3050

[idle nexus]

8500G is $10 cheaper than 8400F but don't those APUs have small cache or something I forget

[fresh nova]

Tell me about it! Stuffing foam or bubble wrap to try & keep the comps still while having a FedX guy kick the boxes around in their truck...

My Pc ArRivED BrOkEn!

[mortal grail]

550-ish, 600

[slate ice]

What % performance upgrade am I looking at?

[mortal grail]

Like 5x

[slate ice]

Sheeeesh

Well I’m def doing it then

[idle nexus]

5700X3D with motherboard & 32gb memory for $300 kinda good ngl https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4730598

[fresh nova]

I was bout to have you run Benchmate

[idle nexus]

sorry just ignore my nonsense rn lol

[fresh nova]

[slate ice]

Yea no need for further embarrassment

[mortal grail]

Slightly cheaper than the DDR5 combo by $20 but slightly faster

Kinda in that...

Old platform vs new platform territory

I'd lean the way of AM5

Cos later on it's an easy upgrade

[slate ice]

Were they not all am5

Oh you’re talking to him

[mortal grail]

Ya all good

[idle nexus]

ya for sure. Don't buy anything AM4 unless you're upgrading your existing AM4

[slate ice]

So if I buy all this stuff, will you help me build it?

[topaz crown]

Hello @slate ice! It appears that you're asking for help. Please ask again in the appropriate category so you can get faster help from people specializing in that field. Your question may not be answered here.

[slate ice]

D:

[fresh nova]

Can't wait for DDR5 to fully be the new standard instead of the DDR4 or DDR5 flip flopping we have now

It's so confusing for anyone that doesn't know computers right now.

[elfin mural]

cpu naming:

[fresh nova]

I'll be happy when DDR4 is fased out just like what happened to DDR3.

[elfin mural]

gpu naming:

[mortal grail]

We have build guides in #building-and-recc-chat under pins to guide with video examples. The Linus video is really good

Super detailed but really good

You don't need to watch it all

[elfin mural]

rtx 3060 with 8gb memory, new!

[fresh nova]

I like one standard for RAM instead of the option to choose between

[mortal grail]

We are here if you need extra help tho @slate ice

[elfin mural]

buy now, it's totally not the same gpu

(3050ti but shh)

[fresh nova]

It's all so silly right now

[slate ice]

Alright but I’m coming to you if I get stuck

[fresh nova]

Or me!

Or anyone who is yellow

[slate ice]

Or him

[mortal grail]

I trust fal, bacca, 343, bryce

Most of anyone here is good

For build help

I'm just one of the list guys

Lol

@sage sluice I might be caving
https://en.akkogear.com/product/akko-mod007b-he-mechanical-keyboard/

[idle nexus]

there's no reason to be nervous about it. The components are much less fragile than they look

[mortal grail]

They have black

[idle nexus]

or don't let yourself be too nervous about it I mean

[slate ice]

Should be fun

I’ve meant to learn about this a while ago

[mortal grail]

It's just lego for adults

Once you've done it once you'll be able to do it 100 times

[slate ice]

And knowing that chip prices are probably gonna skyrocket soon…

[idle nexus]

put the CPU into the motherboard before you put it in the case

maybe cooler too since you're using air cooler

[slate ice]

Any other tips?

Does it matter at all where I purchase the parts from, or just best deal?

[idle nexus]

air cooler goes in before or after you put in the motherboard? ig depends how big & if you gotta put the RAM in first

I would go for best deal unless there's some sort of incentive you wouldn't get otherwise (like free shipping or combo deals)

oh & mount your NVMe in the motherboard before it's in the case

oh & something I had to learn the hard way & I've seen others make this mistake too

make sure your motherboard standoffs are in on the case & align with the holes thru the motherboard

those little heckin extension looking things missing throws off a lot if you don't use them lol

really you have to tbh

[slate ice]

I’ll watch several u tutorials before opening anything

But thanks I’ll screenshot this

[idle nexus]

they'll look like this or very similar

don't worry tho the included manuals should make it clear

[slate ice]

Is this processor available? Amd ryzen 5 7500

[elfin mural]

7500F is a thing

But not 7500

[slate ice]

That one

Yup

It’s the only part not available on partpicker

[idle nexus]

there's only three motherboard standoffs included with the case so you don't even have to deal with the typical 9 lol

[slate ice]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/th3q3w

[mortal grail]

Best deal

[worn wave]

7500F shoud be on aliexpress if you don't mind slightly longer shipping

[slate ice]

Felix do you see the processor anywhere for sale?

[mortal grail]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805937115185.html

Linked it earlier lol

Only that article for this one

Don't buy from a different seller for this specifically

The rest, cheapest you can find

Same products in question though

[worn wave]

SZCPU is also reputable and a bit cheaper
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805676873344.html

[icy ore]

cheapest you can find from trusted sources

don't be one of those people that thinks they can buy a $100 4090 lol

[mortal grail]

Never heard of them but article looks ok

I have reviewer backing on the other article though

So the 140 one is definitively trustworthy

[worn wave]

I bought my 5700x3d from SZ after seeing reddit posts recommending them

[mortal grail]

Oh ok fair enough

I'll take that

[worn wave]

They also have a lot of clearly real reviews, with photos and native english

[idle nexus]

Walmart has it but price isn't as good https://www.walmart.com/ip/AMD-Ryzen-5-7500F-6-Core-12-Thread-Processor-Dual-Channel-DDR4-5200MHz-3-7GHz-65W-Suitable-for-AM5-interface-X670E-X670-B650E-B650-A620/14006263713?classType=REGULAR&from=/search

[worn wave]

but yeah 140 aint bad if you know a reviewer who reccomends it

[idle nexus]

also description is kinda huh?

[mortal grail]

ZTT

[idle nexus]

DDR4-5200mhz? that's pretty impressive lol

[storm narwhal]

Zeta tech tips

[slate ice]

Yeah a little nervous using aliexpress

But if you say it’s alright

[mortal grail]

I perfectly agree but this cpu specifically is a meta pick so it's worth it

[worn wave]

If you vet your sellers (do one of the two sent by me and Felix) it's safe

[storm narwhal]

Let's be honest AliExpress is equivalent to Amazon nowadays

[mortal grail]

I normally don't otherwise suggest aliE

[idle nexus]

lol you can have it shipped to walmart & they offer returns until 01/31 so it'd be walmart's problem

[mortal grail]

Kinda yeah

[worn wave]

The CPUS are legit, just tray cpus so don't come with branded packaging and coolers

[mortal grail]

But also still very much asia

[storm narwhal]

Amazon has so much garbage

[mortal grail]

Asia full of scam sellers

Rather than just garbage

[idle nexus]

AliExpress is more of a mess but Amazon has been getting crappier for sure

[storm narwhal]

But yeah Ali is mainly still Asia region

[slate ice]

Will it be a month or longer shipping?

[idle nexus]

ya that was my next qustion ngl

[worn wave]

Y'all hear Amazon is launching an ali/temu style site lol

[mortal grail]

Whatever it says is gonna be the reality if you take this road

[slate ice]

Oh it says dec 13-22

Not bad

[idle nexus]

they already have woot but ig North America does love its cheap as heck junk

not referring to CPU that's legit don't worry

I mean like clothes that look amazing then are like see-thru or whatever you get form temu lol

also aliexpress is where I'd get a direct die waterblock cuz only they have it except der8auer's

which is like $300 or something

[storm narwhal]

Their cheap junk is about to get a lot more expensive

[idle nexus]

still kinda want this https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805050314139.html?

[mellow radish]

Listen to thick of it OR install suicide linux

[idle nexus]

so direct so die wow

bykski's official store is on here

I shouldn't bet looking at this rn lol

[slate ice]

It’s giving me “security errors” and not letting me order

Never used this before so

[worn wave]

might want to verify phone number or something? Or maybe your card issuer is blocking foreign transactions?

[mortal grail]

Using paypal?

[sage sluice]

ooo you so should

i wanna do a barebones build too at some point

[slate ice]

I tried paypal then card

[mortal grail]

Interesting

Maybe call your bank? Lol?

Check with them if they're blocking it

[idle nexus]

wait... what are they telling me here?

[random osprey]

[idle nexus]

you need a waterblock that doesn't touch it there ig

[mortal grail]

Dust

Also notice the genius and stupidity here

His gpu doesn't fit the case

Rofl

But he got creative

And made a bird cage

💀

[idle nexus]

that is not going to age well

lol

[worn wave]

The last part might be like, don't buy if you're inexperienced?

idk

pretty rough translation

[idle nexus]

my guess was the capacitors end up sticking up higher than the die itself

so if your waterblock's cold plate is too big it might crush them I dunno

[mortal grail]

@sage sluice

I'VE DECIDED

BLACK MOD007B

WOOD KEYS

AND PERSONALISED WOOD REST

MY OWN TAG

I'm about to ralph lauren my pc space

Wtf

Wait no

It's the wrong sizeee

AHHH

[velvet summit]

[mortal grail]

Back to the drawing board

[idle nexus]

heck where's the number pad thing?

borked

[worn wave]

apparently 6750xt gre is a thing on Ali?

[slate ice]

Is there any equivalent monitor on newegg that’s in stock?

So I can combine some orders

[mortal grail]

B&H only

It's sold nowhere else

[slate ice]

It’s the goat monitor?

[mortal grail]

Yes

The GOAT

FR

[slate ice]

Alr the

n

[mortal grail]

Mini-LED OP at OP price

[gleaming rivet]

that is a sick build

[sage sluice]

should do wood keys for sure

[gleaming rivet]

I'm actually legit disapointed in my white build compared to that

[mortal grail]

The only reason it's good though is he replaced the glass smothering the gpu with a bird case custom job

Lol

[gleaming rivet]

yeah but that adds to the whole awesomeness

[mortal grail]

If it was there that'd just look like a blunder

[gleaming rivet]

He had 1 shot to put hedgewig in there

[mortal grail]

Me rn shopping:

[gleaming rivet]

LOL

I gotta avoid this convo. Otherwise I'm gonna go shopping

makes me wanna start looking at my custom pokemon keys again

80$ for my left alt key with 3d cyndaquil surrounded by flames on a volcano cost a lot

[slate ice]

Ordered all except the processor

[gleaming rivet]

whatcha gettin?

[slate ice]

Everything arrives Dec except the motherboard

[slate ice]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/th3q3w

[mortal grail]

The mobo is in stock on newegg if you can cancel the amazon order

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b650m-hdv-m-2/p/N82E16813162114

Same price

For the cpu, see what you can do, if not, grab a 7600/x, whichever is cheaper

Won't change the performance much if at all, it'll just cost a little more

[slate ice]

Cool

is that one on newegg?

[fresh nova]

[mortal grail]

Ye

I just linked it above

[slate ice]

the processor I mean

[mortal grail]

Oh, the 7600/X could be the best price anywher

You can use pcpartpicker to find that one

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yXmmP6/amd-ryzen-5-7600-38-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100001015box

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/66C48d/amd-ryzen-5-7600x-47-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000593wof

Cheapest of the two looks to be 7600 on newegg

[fresh nova]

I like it

Just use AMD software when you get it

We'll show you, AMD is thankfully relatively easy to get a basic OC on.

[sage sluice]

felt

which is probably what thats made of

[slate ice]

Damn it's 60+ bucks more

[mortal grail]

Yeah

Well

more like 50

But it's worth trying aliexpress if you can

@sage sluice

[slate ice]

It keeps giving me errors

[mortal grail]

It's likely something you should call the bank about

Banks have fraud protection

[elfin mural]

that keeb is

BOOTIFUL

[mortal grail]

And a random transation out of the blue to china might have flagged it

[fresh nova]

I'd buy this

[elfin mural]

what keeb is that

[mortal grail]

So the bank might be blocking aliE

[mortal grail]

Idk I'm after the wooden wrest to match my Dan A3

[elfin mural]

ah

[slate ice]

Yea it’s 1 an tho

[mortal grail]

$400

[slate ice]

Gotta wait till morning ig

[mortal grail]

Bank support services for anti-fraud are usually open 24/7

And this is important

They may lock your card if it's flagged LOL

You should clear that up asap

[slate ice]

I got no notice from chase

I think it’s just the site

[mortal grail]

Interesting

Well newegg has the 179 7600 if you can't get it to work

[slate ice]

Their supp said wait 30 min

I tried 2 devices

2 payment methods

[sage sluice]

maybe you could try mixing this with wooden keycaps?

[mortal grail]

Can't find a nice matching set

[sage sluice]

https://www.amazon.com/TENGBOKY-Topographic-16x31-5in-Minimalist-Extended/dp/B0CQFFHZDD

with this desk mat

the wooden arm rest

and a good set of wooden key caps

doesnt need to be doubleshot keys, you could just put some elmers glue in the bottom and it creates the same effect

[mortal grail]

Good lord who is this classy male

[sage sluice]

theobald is crazy

[mortal grail]

Bro smokes a cigar as a receptionist

The only thing that's got me umming and ahhing rn is the damn wrist rest

If I saw a white plush wrist rest I'd be settled rn

Omg I'm so close

[mortal grail]

@sage sluice if you find this for 315mm-ish wide lmk cos I'll go bridge if you do

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

[elfin mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAANNGvMANM @mortal grail the nzxt grave gets deeper

pulling an asus

[mortal grail]

@sage sluice are low profile caps noisy?

[mortal grail]

Already seen this

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

[sage sluice]

low profile caps are quiter

[mortal grail]

Oooo

[sage sluice]

quieter

[mortal grail]

Ok found better ones then

Same pattern

Cheaper

[sage sluice]

plus you dont need a arm rest for them

since more natural erg

[mortal grail]

Would still prefer a plush white one

[sage sluice]

not bad

[slate ice]

If I want a smaller size monitor, any recs?

[proud jackal]

getting a wooting?

[mortal grail]

Different gpu for starters

27 is the norm now for 1440p

[slate ice]

the one I have now is 20 inches and I kinda like it

[mortal grail]

24 you can do much lower budget

We don't have any 20's

[slate ice]

hmm

[mortal grail]

24 is the standard for 1080p, 27 1440p

32+ 4K

[slate ice]

I see

I'll end up just moving it way back

[mortal grail]

Old weird monitor sizes are a thing of the past unfortunately lol

[slate ice]

you're calling me weird and old?

https://tenor.com/view/catsad-sad-cat-gif-14133346652170002474

[mortal grail]

I grew up on PS1 you don't get to ask me that

[slate ice]

man you're like 29 😂

I'm in my 30s buy still

but

[proud jackal]

must be nice to be young

[slate ice]

where the super nintendo crowd at

[misty sparrow]

how does it feel with playstation being 30 this year?

old

[mortal grail]

Stop

[misty sparrow]

i think first nvidia graphics card is 25 too

[fresh nova]

Oh boy

I got a passport the other day & they were using dial up at the post office

[misty sparrow]

some countries still use windows XP despite it being a 20 year OS

US Military still uses Windows XP on some stuff

[nocturne flicker]

Our airplanes still use floppy disks

[hoary zodiac]

probably same with most older infrastructure too

better to use what works when lives are involved

I wonder if microsoft pushes out custom security updates just for them

consider how insecure xp is these days

It's funny how GN just has their eyes peeled for any changes NZXT makes

once they got on their radar they were doomed

[nocturne flicker]

Uh, no. The older computers are just usually kept disconnected from any form of networks instead and hope that nobody with malicious intent manually accesses it

[hoary zodiac]

damn

I mean makes sense even with modern systems

connecting any infrastructure to the internet when it's not required is a big risk

[nocturne flicker]

Though I think the military ones specifically get updates

The rest don't

[hoary zodiac]

yeah

[nocturne flicker]

And that is because the military contracts with Microsoft for them

[hoary zodiac]

I'd imagine stuff like drones controllers would get updates

[wary fjord]

How was it

[opaque sedge]

It was prolly old i assume

Oh wait ps1

[gilded kraken]

wooo off work, party time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8i51YMGNE8

[opaque sedge]

Have u gone thru the entire gow series by any chance?

[gilded kraken]

the OG god of war series is amazing

new ones are fun too, havent played the newest yet

[opaque sedge]

I have only played the new ones gow 2018 and ragnarok

Ragnarok was nice had a playstyle variety

I absolutely loved the combat system in the 2018 one tho

[gilded kraken]

I think god of war 3 from the original triology still reins as the most brutal of all the games, I did like the play style change though. Fit with new age systems better than the old Devil may cry style combo madhouse style

GoW3, when Kratos decides, screw it they all dieing

[devout forum]

Do G.Skill RAM still desolder itself?

[wary fjord]

Itself?

By its own

Probably to hot

[devout forum]

Ye I remember it getting so hot the heat spreader detaches

is that still a thing?

[wary fjord]

I only play god of war on psp.. and the god of war where he teaches his son how to shot a 🦌

I forgot the name

[gilded kraken]

hasnt happened with my old royals in 4 years. I did have a sector go bad so I had to rma but thats it

[wary fjord]

Just reglue it

[gilded kraken]

dono about ddr5 gskill. I have a set

[storm narwhal]

That one I think is just God of War

But on the ps5

Ragnorok is the sequel

[mortal grail]

@sage sluice I went with bridge75 and this

[opaque sedge]

“In the direction of deer”

[mortal grail]

Matching desk pad

[opaque sedge]

Guys are p12 maxes better than the regular p12 by a significant degree?

[mortal grail]

Yes

At same rpm, slightly better

[atomic mist]

Depends

[mortal grail]

But max goes to like 3300 rpm

Standard 1800

[atomic mist]

Max gets loud

[mortal grail]

Eh not that loud

Not corsair loud

[atomic mist]

Brother

[opaque sedge]

Jesus so i could replace my thermalright heatsink fans with those 👀

[atomic mist]

I’m the guy who bought them and returned them

[mortal grail]

I JUST REMEMBERED YOUR BROTHER BUTCHERED THAT PC WITH ICUE

GDI

GDIII

I SUPPRESSED IT

GAHHH

[opaque sedge]

Whats gdi?

[mortal grail]

I need to dance it off

[opaque sedge]

Also you good?

[opaque sedge]

[mortal grail]

Gahd dangit

[atomic mist]

Behold the Corsair

[mortal grail]

WTF HE DOING

DON'T IMPRINT MORE MEMORIES

I NEED

TO SEND

MORE MESSAGES

Ok it's gone

[atomic mist]

That was when we were doing the internal layout

[mortal grail]

Phew

[opaque sedge]

And i thought my deez nuts phase was bad…

[atomic mist]

I can post more

[mortal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/ight-imma-head-out-spongebob-imma-head-out-ima-head-out-gif-14902967

[atomic mist]

Wait before you go

[mortal grail]

NOT LOOKING

NOT LOOKING

DEEZ NUTS

DEEEZZZ

[mortal grail]

If you knew the story

You'd know

Aight peace

[atomic mist]

Also I had a bad experience with the p12 maxes and just go for the regular from now on

[tranquil pebble]

I just realized... a lot of bloatware cant even automatically install itself on Linux. That alone makes it better than Windows lol.

[atomic mist]

It was a odd noise

[opaque sedge]

That… i know nothing abt custom loop water cooling but smth dont look right there

[atomic mist]

The rads are out the back

It’s a sick loop

But the fan choice made Felix hate everything

[opaque sedge]

Ah corsair

[atomic mist]

Not to mention the ram

And pump

[atomic mist]

It’s a pretty build overall

[opaque sedge]

Felix aint abt brand loyalty he’s abt brand treachery

[atomic mist]

Changed out the monitor for a ultrawide eventually

[opaque sedge]

Nice television

[atomic mist]

Oled am I right

[sage sluice]

Hell yeah man, hope it comes out great

[mortal grail]

White not silver btw cos keycaps changing

I guess I'm now a certified keyboard enthusiast

Feels weird

[tranquil pebble]

I will be loyal to a company right up until I feel they are no longer worthy of it. Then I jump. lol

Did it to Intel when Zen 2 released

[hoary zodiac]

I hate AMD while using an AMD cpu

[mortal grail]

Oh god so hyped

[hoary zodiac]

This is why I switched

[mortal grail]

Finally moving off heavily modded keeb

[hoary zodiac]

Linux annoys the crap out of me but at least when it works it works

[tranquil pebble]

GMod is running on my Linux. It is very likely game over for Windows as my main OS. Actually, almost guaranteed.

[hoary zodiac]

I would have never switched if Microsoft didn't keep making everything wprse

[tranquil pebble]

Same

[hoary zodiac]

It's actually annoying as hell to use windows these days

I hate having the performance just take a nosedive after a couple months

[tranquil pebble]

I like my PC to do as I say and not nag me about random stuff

[hoary zodiac]

Or the os just deciding that it's time to stop working

[tranquil pebble]

NTFS, and maybe even the NT kernel itself may be due for replacement

[sage sluice]

Feels weird, but unfortunately weird is good lol

[mortal grail]

God dammit

[mortal grail]

Does this make me a bottom

[sage sluice]

I guess youre part of the club now 💀

[mortal grail]

Alr

[tranquil pebble]

alt tabbing seems way less buggy in Linux too

[upper hawk]

Nice

[mortal grail]

If I turn off RGB, then when my display goes off my fans just stop while the PC idles

The case is colder with RGB off wtf

There's like 10 LEDs

[upper hawk]

@atomic mist You don't find the desk should be deeper to accomodate that big TV?

[mortal grail]

I sit about that close to my own big screen

[upper hawk]

Hmmm no screen door effects?

[mortal grail]

Nah not at 4K

It's like what multi-screen feels like but one big screen

Had to have pretty incredible vision to notice it from that distance

Then again I have a 43" idk how big that one is

If it's OLED tho then the screen door will be even less noticeable vs my own qled

So he likely doesn't notice, especially when you consider how small the screen scale is

Text is small af

[slate ice]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883151516?Item=N82E16883151516

This a good deal?

[mortal grail]

Not remotely man

I can make up a list some 2x faster than that pre-built for 700 and I'm barely trying lol

If you need our help we'll be here, don't worry lad

We have build guides and everything

[slate ice]

I thought the 4070 was equivalent to what I bought?

[mortal grail]

That's a 3050

[slate ice]

the stats seem comparable to me, what am I missing

[mortal grail]

Also the 7900XT is way faster

[atomic mist]

eventually changed to a ultrawide, but the tv was fine generally

[mortal grail]

7900XT is wayyyy faster than a 3050

Idk where the 4070 is here

It's way faster than a 4070 as well

[slate ice]

hold up

I linked the wrong one

[mortal grail]

Lol I figured

[slate ice]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883151516?Item=N82E16883151516

idk why it's linking that

[mortal grail]

Ok I can see a bit of confusion here

8700F is not what you think it is

It's slower than a 7500F

Lol

That's a slower PC overall

[wary fjord]

Someone invented a seatbelt but for neck lol to avoid head hitting the front on crash xD

[slate ice]

the url brings to a totally different product

im confused

MSI Aegis Z2 Gaming Desktop PC, AMD Ryzen 7 8700F, GeForce RTX 4070, 32GB DDR5, 1 TB SSD, Windows 11 Home, Aegis Z2 A8NUE-1045US

It's this for 1300

[mortal grail]

It worked for me that time

Ye an 8700F isn't as good as a 7500F

There's a good reason for this

8700F uses something called half as much cache

And cache is like really fast memory

The more of it the better

So in real work the 7500F is better for games

4070 vs 7900XT is no contest, 7900XT is easily faster by a mile

[slate ice]

I'm confused why all these pre-builts have the worse components

is there really no company out there that is optimizing their pre built products?

[mortal grail]

Cos they make money by charging you for a built rig

They try

But really no

A lot of laptops are better value than prebuilts these days

By pure performance and also included screen and keyboard, battery, size

Etc

Prebuilts are a hard sell

For the value anyway

The warranty on those are also shorter than everything you bought earlier

[slate ice]

you dislike the processor, but it's more expensive

[mortal grail]

Yes

Because it's slower

[slate ice]

200+ everywhere

[mortal grail]

I realise the confusion

8000 series is a different architecture

[slate ice]

what about the 4070 vs the 7900/

[mortal grail]

It uses a processor series designed for basic PC's

So like

It has half the cache but normally has a great igpu

But the half the cache hurts it big time in games

So 7000 is faster in games in general

8700F is an 8700G with the iGPU fused off

So you know like basic PC's like an imac

A dell

Maybe HP?

Those kinda PC's

That's where you find those 8700's

[mortal grail]

7900XT wins in everything except blender

[slate ice]

ok gotcha

[mortal grail]

By a mile

[slate ice]

strange they put that in a gaming pc

"gaming pc"

[mortal grail]

Ya they put everything in man

You can find century old graphics cards or basic word processing cards in "gaming PC" prebuilts

They do it cos they can get away with it

[slate ice]

so back to my previous question, is there no good pre built company?

[mortal grail]

It's basically a legal scam

[mortal grail]

There are good companies just you get nickel and dimed for good quality vetted builds

Starforge is a good example

I vouch for them

[slate ice]

but they're like super high end right

like 2k+

[mortal grail]

They have excellent workmanship, good quality picks

But yeah

Expensive

Not uber expensive though, like origin for example (avoid imo)

Newegg has some decent prebuilts on rare occasion

Like

Really rare

And maybe the odd OEM on eBay sells old stock, and it goes for an amazing price

They come maybe once every few weeks

[slate ice]

seems like there's a market for this

[mortal grail]

Yes

[slate ice]

how about we make a startup/

[mortal grail]

It's just really rare

Lol

I'm not in America mate

😂

[slate ice]

like fr it's ridiculous

just buy the components, build the product

ship to customers

ez pz

[mortal grail]

A bunch of us in here do this on and off

Make a few bucks here and there

[hoary zodiac]

Sometimes we flip builds too

[slate ice]

dang you would've done mine?

[mortal grail]

If you lived nearby sure

[hoary zodiac]

Get a bunch of used pcs that's really cheap

[mortal grail]

Many of us would happily

[hoary zodiac]

Mix some parts around

Sell for a decent price

It's nice side cash

[slate ice]

yeah but you could upscale and make some real money

[mortal grail]

If you lived down the road mate I'd have done it for a fifty and a lunch

[slate ice]

if it really is easy enough to build them

[mortal grail]

When you've learnt enough it honestly is

[hoary zodiac]

It's really easy once you've gotten down to it

[mortal grail]

Like any job

[atomic mist]

its super easy

[hoary zodiac]

The hard part then is finding good deals

[atomic mist]

*super easy enough

[hoary zodiac]

Honestly I might get into pc flipping when I'm in uni

[atomic mist]

2 sticks is better then 4

[hoary zodiac]

Get me some side cash

[hoary zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/aisacknoob23-gif-23779463

[mortal grail]

If I was in the US I'd know enough people to make a career out of it

[atomic mist]

wait what are we talking about

[hoary zodiac]

I'm in Australia

I'm thinking

[mortal grail]

Same

I'll build you one boeing

[hoary zodiac]

I'm gonna target the rich international students

[mortal grail]

Hey my first customer neat

[atomic mist]

as a man in the same state as tech jesus i am an american

[mortal grail]

That'll be $900

[hoary zodiac]

I can speak chinese I have a natural advantage

[hoary zodiac]

AUD? That's pretty cheap for a gaming pc

[mortal grail]

You should send him an nzxt mouse pad with a rental invoice for Christmas

[atomic mist]

oh god

i can just drive over

im like 10 minutes away

[hoary zodiac]

Send him a nzxt case that's on fire

[mortal grail]

I could actually make that if you wanted it

[atomic mist]

its the same thing ones just better

[hoary zodiac]

XTX with 7600x?

[mortal grail]

No

[hoary zodiac]

Might be doable

Aw

[mortal grail]

But doable

Not trash very usable

I hope you like RDNA 1

[hoary zodiac]

That was my last rig

5700XT and 3600

[mortal grail]

Heh that would be about right

[slate ice]

cyberpower pc, any good stuff there/

[hoary zodiac]

Still $900?

Damn that's kinda expensive

[mortal grail]

Almost never from them

[hoary zodiac]

AU market really that bad?

[mortal grail]

Yes

[hoary zodiac]

💀

[mortal grail]

I mean I might be able to do better

Idk

I always list prices of parts for commissions

[hoary zodiac]

Wouldn't count on it tbh

[mortal grail]

So you'd know

[hoary zodiac]

The value curve is weird sometimes

[atomic mist]

idk look up some titles but assume the 7900xtx is gunna do like 10-20% better at a minimum

id wait for the specs and reviews of the 5080

[hoary zodiac]

There's this weird dropoff in price/performance with older parts

[atomic mist]

if you were planning on waiting

[hoary zodiac]

After a gen or 2

[mortal grail]

Tariffs incoming and the rise in Bitcoin have something to say about that

[hoary zodiac]

Guess it's more with cpus than gpus

[wary fjord]

My current

[hoary zodiac]

wait

Bitcoin's going up?

[wary fjord]

Still strong

[hoary zodiac]

wait

[mortal grail]

And NVIDIA stopped 40 series production

[wary fjord]

It hit 100k+ already

[mortal grail]

So yeah

It's getting big again

[hoary zodiac]

Is ethereum gonna go up

[mortal grail]

Wait for the next meta coin

[hoary zodiac]

Hmm

Is mining worth it

I wonder

[mortal grail]

Nope

[hoary zodiac]

Or is it still dogwater

[wary fjord]

U cant mine eth

Lol

Its over

[hoary zodiac]

Oh yeah proof of stake

I have a bunch of eth that I got from dumping birthday cash

[mortal grail]

We need an eth equivalent here several times better than before because of high power costs to make it worth

[wary fjord]

Back in aday where u can get 15 bucks mining xD a day .. good days

[hoary zodiac]

If crypto's gonna go up I might dump a bunch of my savings into it

[mortal grail]

Don't

Just mine

[hoary zodiac]

Wait

[mortal grail]

Crypto scams are worse than ever

Seriously

[hoary zodiac]

Oh you mean mining profits

Not like coin value

[mortal grail]

Ye

[wary fjord]

U guys should invest when btc hits 17k

[elfin mural]

just invest in stocks

[wary fjord]

When it was down last last year

[elfin mural]

better that way

(im not a financial advisor)

[hoary zodiac]

Wait yeah what am I doing

[mortal grail]

The latest crypto scam was rated at 500 million

[wary fjord]

Invest on theo coin

[hoary zodiac]

Brain shorted

[mortal grail]

The hawk tuah chick

I can't link any of it

[wary fjord]

Yeah she scam them

[elfin mural]

hawk tuah coin

[wary fjord]

Pump and dump

[hoary zodiac]

Guess I was more focused on the eth I had on hand going up

[elfin mural]

what a scam

[mortal grail]

But she scammed everyone out of nearly 500 mill

[hoary zodiac]

It was so obvious tho

Like

[mortal grail]

And is about to face the courts for fraud

[hoary zodiac]

If someone's prompting a coin

It's def a pump and dump

[mortal grail]

Just saying I hear about it constantly

[elfin mural]

also pookie app lmao

[wary fjord]

She can pay legal fees

[mortal grail]

Don't invest just mine

[elfin mural]

buy nzxt stocks

jk

[hoary zodiac]

W

[mortal grail]

She could hire anyone and have to pay it forward

[hoary zodiac]

MY ETH GONE UP AGAIN

AHAHAHAH

I'm up $81 now

[mortal grail]

Nice

Hodl

Lmao

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah I'm gonna hold for a bit

[elfin mural]

hodl

[hoary zodiac]

Then when it gets double I'll pull put and use the money for stocks from now on

[mortal grail]

Stocks are still risky

[hoary zodiac]

I'm more into longer term stuff

[mortal grail]

Stick to blue chip dividends, invest in banks

[hoary zodiac]

Like amd nvidia