storage-devices

[latent anvil]

okay, that makes sense, thanks!

[minor sun]

You're welcome

[olive wadi]

what a confusing question

[wind zodiac]

Can someone tell me how to move data from one drive to another, including OS. My Windows is on a sata ssd. I wanna move it to my nvme. I also want to move the data on my current nvme To a different nvme

[sour wadi]

Marcium reflect

[olive wadi]

or clonezilla

[hollow geyser]

I've had a 500gb Gen 3 ssd in my top motherboard slot and I bought a 2tb Gen 4 so I want it in the top slot. how would I go about doing this. I have never seen anyone do anything like it on YouTube.

[pallid orchid]

Remove the gen 3 ssd

Put in the gen 4 ssd

Put gen 3 ssd in another motherboard slot

[blazing musk]

Then adjust boot settings if needed

[hollow geyser]

I would change boot location yes but after I allocat the drive are you able to move windows like what files even are they

[blazing musk]

You can use macrium reflect to clone your windows install

The whole C drive really

[hollow geyser]

so if I move my 500g ssd to the bottom and change the boot location all my data would still be on the drive

[blazing musk]

Yes. And then you can boot into windows to move your data to the new drive.

[hollow geyser]

aight thanks guys

[mental plaza]

https://www.newegg.com/leven-2tb/p/1B0-016A-00002?Description=sata ssd&cm_re=sata_ssd-_-9SIAWA4DW44721-_-Product&quicklink=true
guys is this worth it?

I have an external ssd already but

[sour wadi]

No, most likely a cheapo crap ssd

Id go with this
Samsung 870 QVO $146.25 after code AFFSSDFEB2
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-2tb-870-qvo-series/p/N82E16820147782

[olive wadi]

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-intermediate-level-SSD-guide new project unsure if worth pinning

will get bigger over time

[sour wadi]

Seems useful

[olive wadi]

there probably wont be anything new documents added to the consumer guide but im working on making my own diagrams & graphics in ms paint to add to the documents already made

[minor sun]

For the memory cell chart, prob want to add in a bit about how you get electrons to quantum tunnel into the charge trap, and that's how 0s and 1s are stored

neat chart tho

[olive wadi]

yea, it's not even close to being done

that's going to be a document with words

im just not working on it yet

[minor sun]

Oh alright, thought it was a standalone chart

[rugged hawk]

How many M.2 SSDs can a motherboard have or utilize? Because I am thinking about getting a PCIE x16 to 4x4 M.2 adaptor from ASUS for my Z690 board.

[blazing musk]

It depends on the motherboard and cpu used

[rugged hawk]

I am using i5-12600k and PRIME Z690-P

[blazing musk]

The cpu has 20 lanes for the gpu and the top m.2, then (according to the table on the asus website) you can have 2x m.2 drives in the lower x16 slot in addition to the ones on the board.

It also specified if you're using the 4x4 adapter to use slots 1 and 3

[turbid torrent]

I picked up 8 2.5" 500GB HDD's for $15 today, they're all 2018 or newer and seem to work!

[ornate canopy]

trying to build a nas with it?

[turbid torrent]

Nah, I have no use for one ATM. Spare parts great for builds though.

[arctic turret]

my m.2 nvme wd blue ssd died today

500gb…

at least my hdd is fine, and my stuff is on there

[turbid torrent]

Western digital is great with replacements

I had a drive die 2 years out of warranty and they replaced it without much hassle

[mossy wren]

What's the best 500gb or 1TB M.2 SSD?

That are affordable

[minor sun]

Best budget drive, mp33/helix l

[turbid torrent]

I should really get a pcie gen 4 drive

I only have an sn750 rn slotted into my only 3.0x4 nvme slot

[blazing musk]

Why tho

Are you editing 4k video?

Games sure won't benefit for at least 5 years

[kind sierra]

Sn570 though

[sour wadi]

Ehh I'd say sn550 instead, after the cache on the 570 fills up the speeds drop off a hill

[blazing musk]

Sure but how often does the cache fill like that in a normal use case?

[sour wadi]

I mean it fills up pretty quickly

[blazing musk]

I saw that review
There was another later video I saw that said a firmware update helped

It was lumped into something else though

Hmm, WD doesn't show their firmware updates without having the drive installed too

[olive wadi]

SN570>SN550, and the SN550s native write is 390mb/s with current revision

i consider SN570 b tier

[sour wadi]

Fair enough

[minor sun]

If firmware helped, sn570 is good then, its just sad how fast the speeds dropped off in the tom's hardware review

[olive wadi]

thats how slc caching works

🤯

[minor sun]

Yes but 30gb SLC cache is kinda sad

Like when you can write for 150gb before dropping to native tlc speeds, whatever, you're not going to be moving around that much at a time

But if you're moving some games around or videos around, 30gb goes quick

[olive wadi]

nah static is based

[minor sun]

MLC is based

[small carbon]

I just came across the beastly Kingston KC3000 & this page.

[regal kraken]

I am in the market for a 2TB NVMe drive. I've had good luck with Mushkin in the past, but I will be upgrading from a 1TB Samsung 970 EVO PCIe 3.0 NVMe. My question is, should I go with the 2TB PCIe 3.0 Mushkin Tempest NVMe or should I go with the PCIe 4.0 Mushkin Gamma?

[blazing musk]

The real question is why do you need that much sequential speed?

Unless you're editing 4k video or doing a massive unreal engine game you probably don't need 4.0

[regal kraken]

VR Chat, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, X Rebirth, Ghost Recon Wildlands, Second Life, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, and I also use my computer for DJing. Would any of those even need 4.0?

[blazing musk]

Nope

Not unless your DJing requires you to edit huge flac audio files

[regal kraken]

Not editing, but all my music files are FLAC. I don't edit them, just play them. Request DJ type stuff.

[blazing musk]

Playback is easy, any half decent m.2 can load a whole flac in seconds

[regal kraken]

Okay. So what would the purpose be of drives like the Western Digital AN1500?

[blazing musk]

I'd recommend looking at the hynix gold p31, it's got some of the best random and mixed performance even compared to gen 4 drives. That's what affects gaming load times.

[sour wadi]

Something very large that needs to be stored/read extremely quickly

[blazing musk]

Mostly for workstations, 4k+ video editing, that kind of stuff

Certain servers

[regal kraken]

Ah. Is Mushkin good with the random read/writes or are they better for sequential?

[sour wadi]

[blazing musk]

The tempest is just bad. I'd have to check benchmarks for the gamma.

[regal kraken]

The Gamma is advertised as right about 640k IOPS for random while the Tempest is advertised at 343k IOPS

[blazing musk]

Advertised speed is never too be trusted. That's under ideal scenario.

[sour wadi]

Go off reviews not advertised btw

[regal kraken]

Ah. So for my purposes, would I be better off looking at random throughput benchmarks or sequential throughput benchmarks?

[blazing musk]

Random. That's what affects your use case the most.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/KY22qLpFHDv2CiwcL4tu7J.png

Respectable, let me find p31

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/rzEFEFQip7TPSqPaeRRBgW.png

This is testing the 2tb version of both btw

And you can see the significantly cheaper p31 is almost as fast

[regal kraken]

But is that on an AMD rig or an Intel rig? Apparently these guys found out the Gamma is faster on AMD hardware. https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9843/mushkin-gamma-2tb-2-ssd/index.html

Also, I notice the Seagate FireCuda is near the top of the second list.

[blazing musk]

11900k and Z590 are what toms uses

Yes the firecuda is decent too

[sour wadi]

Doesn't matter as long as they aren't testing gen 4 on gen 3 mode

[blazing musk]

Correct in theory

The interface itself is standard

Occasionally drivers will make a difference though

[regal kraken]

Would that be a reasonable expectation for what I would see in my games?

[blazing musk]

For that game maybe. In general it would be roughly along those lines.

[regal kraken]

So I could reasonably expect sub-10-second loading times in my games with the Gamma 2TB?

[blazing musk]

If the OS and drivers are not stored on there, sure.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/XwuW8Ntx9Zcri9k2wNQRDD-970-80.png

Always check multiple sources too

[regal kraken]

I don't have the 970 EVO Plus, just the standard EVO, 1TB capacity, which I use as the boot drive and for the OS and drivers. The 2TB drive would actually be where all my steam games, music, and adult videos would be stored and run off of

Although, I could get away with throwing everything onto a single 2TB drive and selling the 1TB Samsung drive. Don't know how that would affect my game and music loading times, though. I use Ubuntu Linux and its associated drivers

[blazing musk]

Linux is pretty light on the background I/O, especially compared to windows

[regal kraken]

If I wanted to do it that way, though, would I be better off getting the 2TB Mushkin Gamma or should I consider the Western Digital AN1500?

[blazing musk]

Definitely not the AN1500

That's not a m.2

Takes 8x gen 3 lanes

[regal kraken]

Yes, but the actual storage of it is two m.2 NVMe drives on a single board

[blazing musk]

Yeah in raid, which is weird and will hurt performance

[regal kraken]

So for my purposes, a single m.2, but would I really need PCIe 4.0?

My system is an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 on an MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk

[blazing musk]

You probably don't need gen 4.and if you look closely there's maybe a 1 second difference between the drives on the charts.

Oh well you don't have gen 4 anyway then

3600 is gen 3

[regal kraken]

Ah. I do want to upgrade to either the Ryzen 5 5600X or the Ryzen 7 5800X

[blazing musk]

That would fix it yeah

But maybe wait for 5800XT

[regal kraken]

Or aim for a Ryzen 9 5950X if I can afford it?

[blazing musk]

Nah you don't need the threads

[regal kraken]

What would help improve the overall performance of those games?

[blazing musk]

Fast single cores are where most games thrive.

That's why I suggested 5800XT, the updated cache makes it much faster

[regal kraken]

X Rebirth uses four threads. Pathfinding, AI, Rendering, and one other I cannot remember off the top of me 'ead

[blazing musk]

Audio maybe

But still, with a 6c/12t processor you're only using 1/3 of your resources

[regal kraken]

The 4 threads? AI, pathfinding, physics & rendering.

[blazing musk]

Ah physics, interesting they don't have that in a gpu thread

[regal kraken]

X Rebirth uses the Bullet Physics Library

[blazing musk]

GPUs do physics calculations much faster

[regal kraken]

Part of the X Rebirth engine is that the game does not suspend out-of-view activity. The in-game AI and economy continue to function dynamically even when you aren't there to see it

[blazing musk]

Nice concept. That wouldn't preclude the gpu from doing the physics. It doesn't need to be in the frame buffer to run some numbers.

I'm sure they have a reason for doing it how they did though

[regal kraken]

There is no in-game benchmark, but a fresh new start in the game on my current hardware, I average right about 80fps on 1440p. After the game economy has had a chance to build up and there's a lot of traffic, the framerates tank to less than 30fps

As far as audio is concerned, X Rebirth can make use of HRTF Spatialized Audio, but you have to set it up manually to do that AND enable HRTF in the audio drivers themselves

HRTF differs from standard spatialized audio in that HRTF gives the listener the ability to hear sounds above and below them, in addition to the sounds around them. True 3D audio, not simply surround sound.

In a game like that, would more cores/threads matter or would faster core clock speeds matter?

[blazing musk]

Honestly that's starting to sound like a game where more cache and faster memory will help more. If you look at games like factorio, processors with the most cache per active thread are processing the most updates per second.

[regal kraken]

Ah. So basically wait for the Ryzen 7 5800XT but upgrade the ram from 3200MHz to faster ram?

[blazing musk]

3600c16 memory is pretty much the sweet spot on ryzen. The infinity fabric runs at 1800 then instead of 1600, which is the speed the cores communicate with each other.

If you can afford it 3600c14 is epic tier b-die.

[regal kraken]

I was looking at these https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232860?Item=N82E16820232860

3600MHz 16-16-16-36 RAM, 2x16GB

[blazing musk]

Yeah that's b-die for sure

Straight 16 timings? No other die will do that

[regal kraken]

https://i.imgur.com/tr0ozCn.png

I saw 3200MHz straight-14 timings for about the same price, but I'm not sure that it would be to my benefit considering what I do with my PC and the games I play

Also, in the BIOS on the X570 Tomahawk, I have the FCLK and MEMCLK set on a 1:1 ratio

[blazing musk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BJNxFT/corsair-dominator-platinum-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl14-memory-cmt32gx4m2z3600c14

[regal kraken]

That's not a straight 14 timings memory, though

[blazing musk]

No, it's better

[regal kraken]

How is it better? 14-16-16...

[blazing musk]

Well better than 3200 with 14s

[regal kraken]

Is there a 3600 with straight 14s?

[blazing musk]

You could overclock it, after all that's what b-die is for

[regal kraken]

But I would not even begin to understand overclocking RAM

[blazing musk]

That's what we're here for

14-15-15 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tm6qqs/gskill-trident-z-neo-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl14-memory-f4-3600c14d-32gtzn

[regal kraken]

Apparently I spoke too soon https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374215?quicklink=true

Straight 14 3600 https://i.imgur.com/hLRYgDG.png

[blazing musk]

So it is

One helluva bin

The issue with running memory with timings that tight, especially with 32gb, you're going to need to do more than just toggle xmp. You'll need to adjust SoC voltage, resistances, etc.

Unless you've got one of those awesome asus or gigabyte boards that just knows and changes it all for you

[regal kraken]

I got the MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk, basically the "budget" version of the Godlike

[next plinth]

hey friends can anyone help me out?

[regal kraken]

There's also this, Fal: Straight 16 4000MHz RAM https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374145?quicklink=true

[next plinth]

B560M Motherboard i have this as my motherboard, what other ssd expansions does it have?

[blazing musk]

Which one exactly? There's dozens of those

[next plinth]

b560 ds3h ac-y1

[blazing musk]

You have 2 M.2 slots, the top one is up to gen 4 if you have an 11th gen cpu installed. Then you have the 6 sata ports.

[next plinth]

i can put another 1TB nvme?

which ones would u reccomend?

[blazing musk]

If you have one currently, yes you can add another

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

That list ranks the drives that we would recommend for each purpose, and there's price list shortcuts at the top.

[next plinth]

thank you!

[floral stratus]

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/331790-ssds-are-about-to-get-more-expensive

[blazing musk]

Yeah I heard that. They had some QC failure and made a bunch of bad chips. Yay.

[regal kraken]

Has anyone here used or benchmarked the Mushkin Tempest NVMe drives?

[regal kraken]

I think I just found the SSD I wanted...The Western Digital Black SN770, which is a beast of a drive, but lacks onboard DRAM

[regal kraken]

It has faster random read/write speeds and is less expensive, than even the Western Digital SN850. WD SN770 is considered a Tier A drive while the SN850 is considered a Tier S drive.

[minor sun]

I would like to remind you of Windshields' description of tier S drives

For EXTREME workstation/productivity, real HEDT/pro-sumer applications, and/or burning money

For extreme examples, you'll just want a crap ton of throughput and therefore seq performance only e18 drives can really get

Sure sn770 will be better for most people, but the criteria for tier S on the sheet is for workstation loads

[minor sun]

Dramless also doesn't hurt it in this implementation, it's still a great drive

[regal kraken]

What I use my PC for mainly is video gaming and DJing through Second Life and VR Chat. I currently have an old 1TB PCIe 3.0 Samsung 970 EVO NVMe on a Ryzen 5 3600 with 2x16GB 16-18-18-38 DDR4 3200MHz RAM running on a 1:1 FCLK to MEMCLK ratio. What I want to do, is increase the total overall system performance and my game performance while I wait for GPU prices to drop

Mainly, it is for games like X Rebirth, which is a very complex multi-threaded game whose engine has at least one thread each for AI, pathfinding, physics, and rendering, but I also modified it to make use of HRTF Spatialized Audio. The X Rebirth game engine keeps the in-game AI and economy active and dynamic even when the player is not in the zone to see it. I know it is pretty CPU intense as a result, but I am unable to run MSI Afterburner or MangoHUD on it to see how much of the GPU it actually uses

I use the Samsung 970 EVO as my boot drive, but I use the WD Black P10 Game Drive for my steam games. My reasoning for looking at the WD Black SN770 DRAM-less NVMe, is for it's random I/O performance and its 2TB capacity, which would allow me to put everything on one drive.

On an Intel Core i9-12900K and 6400MHz DDR5 RAM, the WD Black SN770 was pushing higher Random 4k Q1T1 read-write speeds in CrystalDiskMark than a Samsung 980 Pro on a Ryzen 9 5900X and 4000MHz of DDR4 RAM

If I were to upgrade to 14-14-14-34 DDR4 3600MHz RAM, would I notice enough of a performance increase from the WD SN770 to make it worth the investment?

Now here's where things get funny. Despite being a Tier A drive, the WD SN770 is actually quite a bit faster at random I/O throughputs than several Tier S drives including the Samsung 980 Pro. In the 3D Mark SSD gaming test, the only drives that TweakTown tested that scored higher than the WD SN770 were the Kingston KC3000 and the Plextor M10P. In PCMark10, the only drive that TweakTown tested that scored higher than the WD SN770 was the Plextor M10P

[minor sun]

Well, to start, windshields goes by guidelines he lists for the tiers, and by the guidelines, sn770 doesn't even reach A tier by sustained seq perf, less S tier.

From Tom's hardware review

After the SLC cache saturated, the SN770 wrote at roughly 560 MBps for the remainder of the test.

And in general, this tier list isn't just about higher meaning better, its about meeting certain specs

[minor sun]

And well, if you're investing that much into ram, just get a new CPU, 5600x with okay tuned ram will beat 3600 with well tuned ram

[ruby osprey]

is 20 tbs of hdd too much for a gaming pc

[blissful night]

Do you need 20 TBs of storage?

[ruby osprey]

not at all

[blissful night]

Then it would be a massive waste of money.

[ruby osprey]

maybe

lol

[blissful night]

Do you know how much 10 TB drives are?

[ruby osprey]

not really lol

[blissful night]

A 10 TB WD Red for example is $230

That is $460 dollars for 20 TB

[ruby osprey]

ive got 3 4 tb hdds and a 8 tb hdd

[blissful night]

That much money could be spent on much better things if you don't need 20 TB of storage

[ruby osprey]

lol

[regal kraken]

Would the WD SN770 work better on faster RAM?

[cursive chasm]

is it sn 770 a new drive?

is it gen 4?

[lean rain]

I'll willing to argue storage is one of the most important thing for a pc can never have too much storage

[small carbon]

ppsh. Get this as soon as it shows up.

[minor sun]

Shouldn't matter much

[olive wadi]

no wait for reviews lol

[minor sun]

Am quite excited to see p41 when it comes but we do have to wait for reviews to see if hynix screwed up 176l or made it good

[small carbon]

[lean rain]

ppsh. Get this as soon as it shows up.
@small carbon the 980 pro is still faster :/

[blazing musk]

Is it though? Or is it faster in theory based on official spec?

We've only got the theory so far

[lean rain]

Never heard of Sk hynix before

[blazing musk]

Their P31 gold was one of the fastest M.2 drives available to the consumer market

It's still ranked A tier today

[small carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/pathetic-pathetique-pathetox-cat-gif-17249104

[small carbon]

Basically the same (listed specs aren't everything anyways). we'll see.

[blazing musk]

Seems the 980 pro is a LOT slower on random IOPS. You know, the thing that matters for most people.

30-40% less iops based on spec, but we'll have to wait on the reviews of course.

[regal kraken]

Western Digital SN770 CrystalDiskMark benchmark from TweakTown for comparison

Samsung 980 Pro CrystalDiskMark benchmark from TweakTown, also for comparison.

[small carbon]

[blazing musk]

70k iops seems... wrong

Especially when the spec is 1 mil

[regal kraken]

Like everyone here always says, don't believe the specs

Specs are best case scenario in the most ideal conditions

[small carbon]

50% full... and who knows. also 1TB vs 2 TB, even if bigger sometimes helps (sometimes 2TB drives are slower).

[blazing musk]

That's more like it

[small carbon]

Some of their reviews are great (and have a page with 500GB/1TB/2TB results).

[blazing musk]

Yeah I like that they do that too where possible

1TB

2TB 🤡

[olive wadi]

Yea this is from multiple que depths.

Going down to QD128 you're going to see numbers that high

[olive wadi]

the random #'s for both these benchmarks are super low

[blazing musk]

I'm aware. I was seeing how close to spec it could get.

[olive wadi]

looks like trash methedology

both C drives with stuff on them

[regal kraken]

The results I posted are for a Q8T1 on sequential and Q1T1 on random

[olive wadi]

Yea 4K QD1 is low af lol

should be closer to 60 or 70 both drives

oh

nevermind

thats not mb/s

[regal kraken]

That's the random access time

[olive wadi]

didnt read

[olive wadi]

advertised metrics dont care

[blazing musk]

Yeah. That's basically what the whole convo was about, not trusting the specs and waiting for reviews.

[olive wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-flex-motivational-stare-anytime-fitness-gif-23227512

[regal kraken]

What are the numbers for the Western Digital SN770?

[blazing musk]

What do you mean? The random iops?

[regal kraken]

Yeah. How does it compare to the Samsung 980 Pro in the real world?

[blazing musk]

PCmark is a general idea of overall performance

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn770-ssd-review/2

[regal kraken]

Quite a bit better, it seems. All the reading I've done says it uses the host RAM for caching. Would that mean ram speed and latency affect the performance of the SN770?

[blazing musk]

To some degree, yes

Not anything that'll shave whole seconds off load times

And that's only a write cache

[regal kraken]

Would at least make it less jittery when writing data then?

[blazing musk]

Large amounts of data yes

[regal kraken]

Ah. How much of the system memory would it actually use?

[blazing musk]

Not much tbh

A couple GB maybe for large transfers

[olive wadi]

No

[olive wadi]

HMB is not a write buffer

[olive wadi]

Around 100ish MB

Ram OC could affect the performance of a drive using HMB but it's primarily used for metadata so doubt you'll see much of a difference

If the SN770 is like the SN550 and uses HMB sparingly then it will affect performance even less

[blazing musk]

I clearly need to do more research on this

[olive wadi]

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/DRAMless.md

[minor sun]

That would prob just affect random read latency, and shaving a couple of nanoseconds shouldn't matter much when latency is like 0.04ms

[olive wadi]

you can also only hold so much metadata in hmb

theres not much space in there

[minor sun]

Is it not dynamic in how much dram it allocates?

[small carbon]

it stomps the 980 Pro unless we're writing 400+ GB at a time..

[minor sun]

?

I'm asking if hmb could have dynamic allocation of dram

[small carbon]

mb, no idea. dram use might be highly variable during tests as it is. Would be interesting to actually hear about something like that though.

[olive wadi]

pretty sure its fixed allocation

64mb is like nothing lol

[minor sun]

sad

[olive wadi]

meh, it's enough to make a decent difference in performance depending on the drive

imo its still a coping mechanism

you can very much make a decent dramless nvme SSD without using HMB

i wish we could see more tests comparing drives with HMB force-disabled

helps give an idea of how aggressively the drive utilizes HMB

some barely

[minor sun]

Hm

[minor sun]

What kind of performance hits do you get from just storing metadata natively on TLC?

[olive wadi]

the answer is: you don't

you put it in SLC

[minor sun]

That makes more sense

[turbid crater]

does the seagate expansion external hard drive require a power supply or does it use only usb

[blazing musk]

Which one exactly? There's both kinds

[turbid crater]

@blazing musk https://www.newegg.com/seagate-expansion-6tb-black/p/N82E16822184954?Item=N82E16822184954&cm_sp=Homepage_SS-_-P4_22-184-954-_-02212022&quicklink=true

im not sure

im in a market of getting a 5 or 6tb to replace my external running out of room for movies, anime and etc

[blazing musk]

That's powered

[turbid crater]

thanks

[blazing musk]

Check shucks.top for good deals on common external drives

[turbid crater]

im getting at newegg got a 20 usd gift card that expire beginning of june

[serene laurel]

I need to connect a 3.5 inch hdd to a dell optiplex 5060 micro. For a NAS setup with openmediavault. The computer has an internal sata connection for a 2.5 inch hard drive, like a laptop does. For reliability etc, would it be better use a USB adapter for the hdd, or should I investigate sata and sata power extension cables?

[blazing musk]

Extensions will be better, but an external dock would be ok. If you use extensions you can get the full 6 Gb/s speed of the sata interface while a USB 3.0 interface will be limited to 5 GB/s. Not that it'll matter for a HDD anyway.

[serene laurel]

https://dl.dell.com/topicspdf/optiplex-5060-desktop_specifications3_en-us.pdf

on the 11th and 12 page of this.

Will it support my 4tb wd red?

I cant figure out if these are preconfigured options or limits

[blazing musk]

If it's got a laptop style 2.5" connector it might not give enough power for a full size 3.5" drive.

[normal thistle]

i have a ssd that when i plug it into my desktop it shows in the bios but not file explorer any ideas why? all i did was took it out of package and plugged it in

[serene laurel]

Is there a solution to that? Use a USB adapter with external power? For stability, I would prefer sata. But if it needed to, I might have to do usb

[latent schooner]

is 90 usd a good price for a 1tb ssd?

[dense merlin]

depends on the ssd

mp33 is 80$ i believe

[latent schooner]

i can only find it for 90

but then again i am converting aud to usd

so its probably more expensive in au

[dense merlin]

ahh

thats fine then

[modest fiber]

Hi everyone I have a shot hard drive that I am trying to replace. What do I have to match to make sure the new one will work with my PC. Thank you

[small carbon]

could do something like a Crucial MX500 or a similar ssd, but a normal hdd of course is cheaper for their capacity. numerous options: Toshiba X300 4TB is $100ish, some others are $70ish.

[minor sun]

x300 is good

[serene laurel]

Oh! I had another idea for powering the 3.5in hdd for use in the optiplex 5060 micro.

If I get an old psu from Purdue salvage, can I plug the sata power of the hdd into the separate psu and the sata data into the computer motherboard? Will that mess anything up with the separate grounds or anything?

[blazing musk]

It needs to be initialized in disk management, and you'll need to create a partition

[serene laurel]

I just learned about shorting the psu pins together to turn it on…

[blazing musk]

Better yet, wire those pins to a toggle switch so you can click a button to turn on and off

[normal thistle]

Thank you so much for ur help

[dusty thorn]

is there any need for a gamer to have the samsung 980 pro w/heatsink option added on?
I don't think so but might get it simply to see the difference in it with my normal one

[blazing musk]

For gamers? Absolutely not. At least not until Microsoft direct storage gets more common. Give it 5-10 years.

[blazing musk]

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

[small carbon]

Even the 970 evo plus pretty much matches a 980 pro in "gaming" & general use. 980 is for writing 500+ GB at a time.

[glad oxide]

sandisk ultra ssd or crucial mx500?

they're both about the same price on Amazon, which one should I get?

both 3d nand and 500gb

those 2

[blazing musk]

They're roughly the same performance but I'd go mx500 personally

Up to you though.

[verbal quail]

Hello everyone. I'm looking for a cheap but decent and reputable 2TB 2.5 SSD for games and such. I don't want to have another m.2. So I don't have to take out parts to get into it

[blazing musk]

MX500

[tardy idol]

i need a new HDD and i got quoted by dell for $130 and I wanted to see if i had the availability to get one that is cheaper, but im not too sure how to check compatibility or if thats even a thing with HDD's. I have a Dell Precision Tower 5820 for reference. no need to check compatibility, just explaining how to do so would be massive help

[real lava]

130

ouch

[real lava]

That takes bog standard sata hdd btw

So there's no worry about it

[tardy idol]

yea i thought the same thing

[tardy idol]

how difficult would you say that finding an HDD would be that is compatible?

[real lava]

Nope

It's easy

You can just get 3.5" sata HDDs

3tb ones usually goes for basically half of 130

[tardy idol]

oh wow alright, thank you very much

[verbal quail]

Thank you Fal'cie. I was looking for this https://www.newegg.com/team-group-2tb-cx2/p/N82E16820331573

[small carbon]

Eh, $10 more on amazon for the mx500 is what I'd do, or 870 evo (if there's a SATA model). 860 evo is good but oddly quite overpriced last I checked.

[sour wadi]

Literally any 3.5" sata hdd will work this is what I'd go for - if you're in the US
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gHNxFT/western-digital-wd-blue-2-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd20ezbx

[sour wadi]

If it's not on the list in the pins it's not worth your time imo

[tardy idol]

thank you ever so much

[sour wadi]

No problem

[verbal quail]

Will do the Mx500. Thank you Pato

[sour wadi]

Np, if you have a spare m.2 slot for 5$ more you can get a B tier drive instead btw
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CJ9tt6/kingston-kc2500-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-skc2500m82000g

[tardy idol]

got the no bootable devices thing. will do some research and see if i can come up with anything

[tardy idol]

anyone know how to fix this?

[blazing musk]

Are all your drives showing in bios?

[tardy idol]

no, they aren’t. trying to fix that and see if the wires are connected properly but it is a hot mess of wires

[blazing musk]

If things are plugged in properly but not showing up try a cmos reset

[tardy idol]

done

[tardy idol]

what do i do from here?

[blazing musk]

If your drives still don't show up in bios then you should check power cables, both ends.

[tardy idol]

it shows up in system information as my sata3

[tardy idol]

ok good news i think, i went from having an error screen to a console looking screen telling me that “media test failure, check cable” and “no boot device found. Press any key to reboot the machine”. could be a step forward in the right direction? idk at this point

[blazing musk]

Sounds like either the boot drive is unplugged or it failed. Try plugging it into another computer when you get a chance.

[heavy dagger]

What would be a minimum requirement for cheap ssds for a small windows boot drive?

Got a few old Dell desktops that I'm cleaning up and selling for casual computers and looking at what low end ssds I could source for a desktop that would mostly be used for chrome

[blazing musk]

Pretty much any 256gb+ drive is fine for speeding up an old pc

[heavy dagger]

Ok cool that's what I thought. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't going too cheap on them

[untold heart]

After a couple of months i managed to get more money for my HDD upgrade, I'm looking at the WD Blue 8tb 5640 rpm and the WD black 8tb 7200 rpm, is the extra 90 USD worth it? I will mainly use it for gaming and i have multiple Minecraft Modpacks, MHWorld and Rise, MGSV and other MMOs that will be staples in my hard drive for years to come. How does Seagate compare to WD?

[pallid orchid]

get a toshiba x300

[untold heart]

Oh, they look good, what capacity do you reccomend? I've read in some pages that higher capacities tend to be exponentially louder, I have an ssd for my boot drive and that's staying, with no probs.

If the page is to be believed in, the higher capacities are quieter, is that possible?

[pallid orchid]

I dont really know tbh. Havent really read up about hdd noise

But get whatever capacity you need

Higher rpm will be higher noise tho

[untold heart]

Yeah, i think I'll go 12tb in the specs sheet it says it's 20dB in idle (the lowest) and the price is below the 10tb WD

[small carbon]

20db is lower than the "noise floor" of most households, & quieter than most fans (even 1100rpms). Depending on what/where you're eyeing, I'd say the 10TB at $22.70/TB.

[red jay]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/403316018035 😍

lol

[pallid orchid]

15k rpm

Thats gonna sound like a helicopter taking off

[red jay]

exactly B)

now imagine 4 or 6 of them

[pallid orchid]

Ohhhhh no

[pallid orchid]

Do u need 12tb storage?

[untold heart]

I need at least 4tb, so it's basically 8tb of extra space to move around.

And OMG in newegg the 12tb toshiba 300x is around 300usd (5700mxn), if i buy from México it costs 7400mxn... Living in Mx is complete garbage

Good thing i have someone there that can help me hahaha

[pallid orchid]

Get a 6 or 8tb drive and save ur money then imo

[red jay]

Yea having one really large drive is very convenient

[untold heart]

I'll get the 8tb then, I'll see first what games i want to play and have all the time, i need 4tb for my school stuff (medical simulators suck my storage, help) and then the rest of the storage is for my own needs, i currently have 2 tb to move around and it's always at capacity because i play each game for each day.

[red jay]

I'm not a server/storage solution nerd so I wanna double check:

with a PCI-e sas controller, and using two of these cables (just 2 of the 2nd cable) I can put 6 sas drives into raid 10 assuming the controller supports it right? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09CGV5JV8/?

It wouldnt matter that 2 of the drives would be connected to a different port on the pcie controller?

Also I read that using this one with molex power over using a regular sata power cable to connect to it generally works better? Something about a 3rd pin connection blah blah something doesnt work with some sas drives? lol

Would this work well?... It's the correct connector right? lmao https://www.ebay.com/itm/384239642145?

https://www.hpe.com/psnow/doc/c04346303?jumpid=in_lit-psnow-red spec sheet for this controller ^

Not sure if I could actually just slap it into any board since it's oem for their servers

[blazing musk]

PCI-e devices are universal. You just need the drivers.
The docs say it supports up to 200 drives and raid 10 so you're good there.
6 drives in raid 10 is an interesting choice. I'd have gone with raid 50.

[red jay]

Yea figures, good to have confirmation though. Also yea I'm going with RAID 50, I originally was gonna do 4 drives but now I want to do 6

RAID 10 would be optimal for a 4 drive setup right?

[blazing musk]

10 works best with multiples of 4 yes, 6 would still be slightly faster

I like 50 because you have parity and speed

[red jay]

Yea

honestly i forgot raid 50 existed

even though its literally just raid 5 and 0

lemme see if hp's website has drivers for it

Found it! https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/swd/detail?swItemId=MTX_2273a53e9d7b4a52b3888bc8be&swEnvOid=2000078

[smoky sinew]

whats a good secondary drive (already have a decent ssd)

[blazing musk]

Toshiba X300

[quiet gust]

I need hel finding some cheap usb drives (at least 5 usb pens, min. 8gb each, good quality, (possibly from Amazon) and cheap)

[blazing musk]

PNY 32GB Turbo Attache 3 USB 3.0 Flash Drive 5-Pack https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08HW32VG6

[quiet gust]

Unfortunately they are not affordable on amazon.it

The 32gb one is 30€

And there are only few options like 128gb and 32gb

[sour wadi]

https://www.amazon.it/Intenso-3521462-Chiavetta-USB-GB/dp/B008RDCERY/r

not a pack but 5€ each - probably fine

https://www.amazon.it/SanDisk-Ultra-Chiavetta-USB-fino/dp/B00DQG9DDU/

or if you want 16gb drives

[quiet gust]

Thank you

[sour wadi]

https://www.amazon.it/Kingston-DT100G3-DataTraveler-Flash-Drive/dp/B00C5K8E1A/

32gb for 8.50

👀

np

[quiet gust]

👍

[indigo arch]

I use those Kingston's ones myself for stuff like Linux ISOs and windows installs and they haven't failed me yet.
Not much of an input but something I guess

[red jay]

i might actually get that lol

[quiet gust]

Are there any fast, chap, 500GB (or a bit less), nvme SSDs?
Like under 50€...?

I'm searching one for my main PC, (1000€ build with only a basic SSD) and I'm running out of space on the SSD

[sour wadi]

This is 55 but nothing under 50 really
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/9FH7YJ/western-digital-blue-sn570-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds500g3b0c

[quiet gust]

What's the difference between sn570 and sn550?
Speed?

[real lava]

sn570 is newer and better

[fiery depot]

Does anyone know where I can find 2.5 HDD USB 3.0 enclosures that will fit the older 14mm 4 & 5 TB drives

[serene laurel]

What’s the speed/reliability difference between this sata m.2 ssd And and crucial bx 500 240gb ssd? (Sata 2.5 in).

[real lava]

Shouldn't be too different

Micron 1100 is dramless too

Wait it does have dram

But still shouldn't be too different in reliability

Speed sure takes a drop tho

[serene laurel]

They’re both going in a pc for my mom. Windows is going on one, Linux on the other. She’s gonna daily drive Linux. Which one should I put each OS on?

[serene laurel]

Speed takes a drop With the dram? Just making sure

[real lava]

no

it's the opposite

dram helps speed in like big writes

but it doesn't matter in normal use cases

well, i'd say put the micron on linux

bx500 on windows

[small carbon]

The micron might a lil better, but obviously they're both technically sata. General use performance is no doubt quite similar between them. perhaps I'd put Windows OS on the m.2. "reliability" might be better on the m.2 but pretty much a non-concern for both. ssds have a very long average lifespan, especially for "average" use. 👍

[blazing musk]

Unless the controller dies or some freak accident happens, the SSD should be one of the longest lived components in the system. I've had my HP EX950 for 4 years I think. It still reports 99% life in smart data with 20TB written and its only a 256gb drive.

[red jay]

its not an ssd, but i have a WD740 that still works lol

[small carbon]

I like WD40. Oh wait...

[marsh axle]

Anyone have a recommendation for cheap hdd storage? Looking to turn an old pc into a server with low frequency backup. Probably min 2tb, max 5tb.

Also if anyone has done this before and has some good pointers or a guide they'd recommend, I'd appreciate it.

[real lava]

well

a toshiba x300 should do the job

[arctic turret]

are 2tb hdds too low for mass nowadays? i know 2tb ssds are a thing, esp for boot, but i wasn't sure if a 3tb or higher hdd would be necessary for games yet

[dense merlin]

depends how many games you play

ive got 5.5tb of space in my pc and i use maybe 2tb at most

[arctic turret]

i gigahoard lol

mostly nintendo stufuhfuh

it's good to have space left over

[small carbon]

2TB hdds have a good $/TB, but many are SMR. The CMR X300 also happens to have a 4TB min I think, & if I was buying a hdd it's my vote: (unless someone really needed to save the $50+ obviously)

[sour wadi]

Nah I don't even use all of my 1tb ssd

[arctic turret]

nice

[open gazelle]

I mean most people dont really need more then 2tb of secondary storage. Tho some peeps do use more, like me. "Old SSD" storage is being removed soon so wont have that for long, but I still got a lot of storage lol

I removed like 1tb of games and old data when I was consolidating my storage to two drives (Use to be OS + 2x1tb SSD + 1x6tb HDD)

[arctic turret]

oh shoot

i keep my gaemz on for preservation's sake

[small carbon]

Currently content w/ 250GB ssd + 1TB hdd,but next rig will be 500GB nvme ssd + 1TB MX500. Would only "need" 1-2TB more than that if I wanted to install more games and not play em.

[pallid orchid]

Gib old ssds

Ill pay in thanks

[open gazelle]

One is going to brother for cheap and other is being sold at the hilariously high market price.

[sour wadi]

A and B drives, cursed

[open gazelle]

Well, they're going to be removed soon enough. I wanted 8tb to be D and nothing as E/F so that no program would try to put stuff on a drive I'm clearing.

Currently I'm just waiting until I'm not lazy and find a program that can send the clear command to the SSDs so I can do a full wipe before taking them out. Just being really lazy at this point in that regard.

Pretty sure most basic SSD programs do it

[sour wadi]

Fair enough

[serene mist]

just a quick question in PCIE 4.0 slots can a Nvme gen3 be inserted in PCIE 4.0 slot is it compatible or not?

[pallid orchid]

pcie is backwards compatible

[serene mist]

i see ty for the reply

[undone rain]

can you guys recommend me a 1 TB SSD

I dont have a budget limit but I'd like it to be a value product

I'll just use it for storing some games and projects so can be a SATA drive

[cyan needle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xNCFf7/sk-hynix-gold-p31-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-shgp31-1000gm-2

Is a pretty good one. Might be a better one, but idk.

[undone rain]

it doesnt ship to where I live in the only 2 places its selling in

[small carbon]

Most sata ssds just happen to not be cheaper than nvme stuff. Ok, others* to look up are 970 evo plus, team mp33/mp34, WD sn750/sn570/sn550. Sata option could be a MX500 or another wellknown brand sata ssd. (870/860 evo. 860 is older)

[undone rain]

ok

[sour wadi]

@undone rain
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101

Sk hynix p31 is a top tier drive, definitely overkill

[woeful vine]

is there a downside to having an 8tb hdd

like if you end up filling it to 75% capacity is it gonna be as slow as molasses

[sour wadi]

Nah just like having any other sized one but bigger

[woeful vine]

would you say the wd black 8tb is worth 250

or whatever it's going for rn

or is there another brand that has a more reliable drive for similar price

[sour wadi]

Not at all

Also

200 maybe, 250 no

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hsYmP6/western-digital-wd-red-plus-8-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd80efbx

Id get this atm if you're in the us

[undone rain]

whats the durability of this model?

I couldnt find it anywhere

[woeful vine]

https://www.newegg.com/black-wd8001fzbx-8tb/p/N82E16822234428

damm no embed

but well would you look at that lmao

[sour wadi]

Durability? It's a good 1tb ssd? Do you mean claimed write endurance?

[sour wadi]

Ntb, I'd still go for the wd red personally and save 30$

[woeful vine]

does a nas drive make that big a difference?

i get they're mean to run continuously for a long time

idk i'm answering my own questions as i type this

is there a big difference in write speeds, if any between the two

or read speeds

lets say i put a lot of video clips or raw images on to either drive, would there be a difference in how fast their thumbnails load etc

[undone rain]

yes

[sour wadi]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/team-group-mp33-m2-nvme-ssd#:~:text=Team Group backs the MP33,both pricey high-end alternatives.

[undone rain]

ok thats decent

this wont fail really quick right

@sour wadi

[pallid orchid]

nop

[sour wadi]

No, it's s good drive

[pallid orchid]

very reliable drive

[undone rain]

ok

I'll probably buy this

[small carbon]

$200 is decent. WD black drives used to be "faster" in the past, but it'll be very similar to the NAS drive by nature. Sequential read will be 160-200ish MB/s depending on % filled. The NAS model also is a CMR drive (smr worse). Idk about the WD Black. Google cmr vs smr if you cared for an explanation better than I could provide.

[woeful vine]

icic

[rough canyon]

Who knows the best way to utilize u.2. SSDs I found in a broken server that was given to me? Pcie card?

[sour wadi]

Yeah probably pcie card would be my guess

[plush crag]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YKQ2C93 , if they're pcie 4.0, buy a higher end riser

If your mobo has an SFF-8639 header, could go with https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07M8LR9NC

[open gazelle]

It's basically differences in firmware and drive type (CMR vs SMR).
Typically for WD the only big firmware change is from WD Green to any other WD drive with head park timeout not being really low (WD Green is low). Im sure there are other small changes but that's one that's usually stood out to me.
As for SMR vs CMR, SMR means low write perf. Drives typically still have a tiny amt of flash cache (and CMR cache if drive is SMR) to allow for small writes to be the same as any HDD however large writes on SMR drives will be way lower. This doesnt affect reads however, so loading files wont change
For WD 3.5": Green/Blue/Red is mostly SMR, Red Plus/Red Pro/Purple/Black are entirely CMR.

[open gazelle]

As the drive fills up it can be easier for writes to become more fragmented (write a 1GB file but have it split up randomly across the entire platter instead of being in one spot). But so long as you keep the Windows default drive optimization settings it'll defrag the drive often enough that you shouldnt have to worry too much about it.

[rough canyon]

Thanks for the help!

[abstract sluice]

My Disk HDD 1Tb it's reaching 20000 ms

[real lava]

What?

Wdym by 20000 ms

[open gazelle]

I assume read/write latency viewed in TM

[real lava]

Ah

[minor sun]

Time for 16tb drives w 176l tlc?
https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252514246/Micron-7450-aims-its-176-TLC-layers-at-QLC-flash-use-cases

[kind sierra]

I'd believe it, if they can fit 2TB in a 2230 it should be able to get a 2280 with 16TB

[minor sun]

Its going to be crazy though

176l performs really well

[pale anvil]

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX500-500GB-NAND-Internal/dp/B0786QNS9B/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2DPOVTO6T7JH6&keywords=500gb%2Bssd&qid=1647148870&sprefix=500gb%2Bssd%2Caps%2C136&sr=8-3&th=1

is this good?

[kind sierra]

If you don't have an m.2 slot open it's decent

[sour wadi]

If you have a free m.2 I'd get this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Brvqqs/team-mp33-512-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6512g0c101

If not, yes

[minor sun]

Btw Vulcan is the meh drive, Vulcan g is bad, would get mx500 over Vulcan g

[sour wadi]

Vulcan g is in windshields list :(

[minor sun]

Wat

[minor sun]

Vulcan is, I doubt Vulcan g is..?

[sour wadi]

Oh i am blind i swore that said vulcan g

[pallid orchid]

badtokav

[minor sun]

Team is in the wrong for making a cheap bad drive with a similar name to a decent drive tbh

[sour wadi]

Yeah name is very close

[pale anvil]

so i shouldn’t get the one in the link?

[minor sun]

Mp33 still good, Vulcan g was bad

[pale anvil]

ok

but yeah i don’t have an m.2 slot on my mobo lmao

[minor sun]

Then mx500 will work fine

[pale anvil]

the one i linked?

[minor sun]

Ye

[pale anvil]

ok cool

thx

[minor sun]

It's rare to not have a m.2 slot nowadays though

[sour wadi]

Yeah i unlinked the vulcan g

[pale anvil]

yeah lmao optiplex gang

[minor sun]

Sad dell days

[pale anvil]

better than hard drive tho

[pale anvil]

is it possible to transfer the stuff from a 1tb hard drive onto a 500g ssd though?

obviously if the hdd has less than 500g on it

[sour wadi]

Yes, marcium reflect

[silent sparrow]

Hey guys, I have had this problem for months now and I can’t figure out what is wrong. My hard drive doesn’t spin up all the time, and it has been happening ever since I wanted to further cable manage my computer because the back panel was a mess. But whenever the hard drive DOES spin up, it works PERFECTLY FINE. So whenever I need to access something from that drive, I have to keep pulling the plug and turning it on until I hear the hard drive. I have asked multiple people in different servers but they all say that my hdd is failing, which it is not. Maybe it is something that is damaged in the power connector that isn’t visible, idk

[blazing musk]

Have you tried a different power cable?

If so then it's probably internal damage, i.e. failing

[silent sparrow]

Yes I have tried different cables

Maybe the port is a little damaged because when I was cable managing, I unplugged it

And now I know that those connectors are kind of fragile

Hard disk sentinel said it is perfect condition

After smart test and everything

I just restarted and it is working fine now

But next time I turn my pc on it won’t spin up

[kind sierra]

Samsung 980 and 980 pro be like

[minor sun]

Smehsung

[pale anvil]

smasnug

sasumg

[small carbon]

870/860 evo is another option btw, but only if within $5-10 of mx500. I have a couple mx500 & they're good sata ssds

[sour wadi]

mx500 is best priced good sata 500gb atm

[plush crag]

Ok but that one is obvious

What's maybe confusing is the 970 evo plus being better then the 980

[red jay]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185158523194? 🤔

dang they're from 2011

yea nvm

https://www.ebay.com/itm/222826384336? 🤔

[mental plaza]

ebay ssd's always look so damn sketchy

[cloud kiln]

what's a good 2-4tb secondary ssd (sata or m.2, up to m.2-2280)
also just making sure, is the samsung 970 evo plus a good boot drive

[sour wadi]

Because they're 2nd hand?

[mental plaza]

SO WOULD you buy one?

caps lock

[sour wadi]

2tb
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-2tb/p/N82E16820331431
4tb
https://www.adorama.com/ct400mx5ssd1.html

970 evo plus is good, not always the best option tho

[sour wadi]

Depends on how good of a deal it was and if the drives SMART data was okay

[real lava]

^

[slow grail]

How y'all so just upgraded my PC from a z390 to a z690 rog strix. My NVMe was working fine now it isn't booting

It shows in boot but not drives

[upper quiver]

thoughts on the SN570?

newer version of the 550

[real lava]

it's better overall

i think falls flat faster when it comes to sustained write tho

iirc

[small carbon]

Hard sustained write on sn550 is 59GB in 1st minute, sn570 is lower at 47GB in 1st min (according to Toms review). I wouldn't bother w/ the 570 unless it was really similar price to the 550. @upper quiver idk if they got a bit of a dud. Personally if I was getting a 1TB and spending $90ish already, I'd just do the extra $20 or less for that P31.

[upper quiver]

ahh, well its for a friend on a tight time schedule, spring break ends soon and i gotta take a look at his pc before he leave again

so its a matter of picking something up from best buy for a reasonable price

[small carbon]

Gotcha. A good thing I'll say is that the 570 w/ it's extended heavy writes is more than 50% faster than a sata ssd at least (30ish GB in 1st minute for an MX500). If none of the higher tier stuff is close in price, I'd actually say the sn570 or 550 would be a fine pick for general use.

[urban prairie]

What would be a good 2tb to 4tb sata 6gb/s ssd?

I'm looking at mx500

[sour wadi]

Decent

[sour wadi]

Well yes but no

[sour wadi]

No spare m.2 slots?

[urban prairie]

We've stayed this already lol

Both taken up

[sour wadi]

Alright

Man so many people come in here can't remember everything

[urban prairie]

I'm still debating on sata drives

[urban prairie]

It's fine, I understand, I meant it jokingly

Though I figured my pfp would've stood out lol

But rn I'm debating a 4tb sata SSD

I'll probably buy it end of next week

[sour wadi]

For 4tb
https://www.adorama.com/ct400mx5ssd1.html
For 2tb
While this is still $150 id for for this
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-2tb-870-qvo-series/p/N82E16820147782
This is better but not worth 40$ more imo
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FL3mP6/sandisk-ssd-plus-2-tb-25-solid-state-drive-sdssda-2t00-g26

[urban prairie]

I've read that the QVO has one of the worst life spans of SSDs

Is that true?

[sour wadi]

I'm on mobile so kinda small kinda just notice purple n green lol

I haven't heard that

Lemme pull up a toms hardware review

[urban prairie]

Lol

[pallid orchid]

nope

860 qvo was eh lifespan

870qvo doubles it

2900tbw almost

ull be fine

[urban prairie]

Ok

Cause I'm looking for 4tb mainly

Ik PCPartPicker lists that the mx500 has a cache but 870 doesn't....don't all SSDs have a cache?

Wouldn't make sense otherwise

[sour wadi]

720tb written lifespan for 870 qvo

[sour wadi]

Where'd you find that

That's the 8tb model not 2tb

[pallid orchid]

1,440 TBW for 4tb

still decent

[sour wadi]

Not all have cache, but pcpp isn't great with more finite filters like that anyway, but having a cache doesn't make it necessarily good or bad

I was recommending the 2tb 870 qvo cuz it's 150 rn

[pallid orchid]

oh

[sour wadi]

Yeye i was saying mx500 for 4tb

[urban prairie]

Yeah, that's what I'm running in my laptop and ps4

The 870 QVO 2tb

[sour wadi]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-870-qvo-sata-ssd

[urban prairie]

Kinda leaning 4tb just in case

[sour wadi]

Here's a review

Fair enough

For 4tb mx500 atm is a clear winner

[pallid orchid]

870 evo is cheaper

4tb wise

[urban prairie]

Cause id rather too big of a storage drive than too little

[sour wadi]

Is it?

[pallid orchid]

yeah

[sour wadi]

Last i checked it wasn't

Huh

[urban prairie]

Also, I'll most likely be using best buy or Amazon cause faster shipping

If Newegg had next day delivery I'd use Newegg 90% more

[pallid orchid]

340$ for 4tb

870 evo

[sour wadi]

Bro i checked last night and it already changed ;-;

[pallid orchid]

skill issue

get good

[sour wadi]

For 4tb
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-4tb-870-evo-series/p/N82E16820147795

[urban prairie]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/9k3mP6,p7nypg/

[pallid orchid]

ok?

[pallid orchid]

get this

[urban prairie]

The Evo is $100 more

[sour wadi]

No it's not

25% coupon

[pallid orchid]

look on newegg'

[sour wadi]

It's 340$

[pallid orchid]

its cheaper

[pallid orchid]

mafs

[urban prairie]

Says 449 for me

For 4tb 870 evo

[sand onyx]

What y'all think about the Firecuda 530

[urban prairie]

Overpriced

[sand onyx]

From every review I've seen it's pretty good.

[sour wadi]

25% coupon m9

[sand onyx]

Plus I found a sale on it.

[sour wadi]

What price?

[sand onyx]

It's $169 at B&H.

I only need 1TB.

[urban prairie]

QVO is 351

[sand onyx]

But it seems to be the absolute fastest M.2.

From what I've seen.

[urban prairie]

Mx500 is 359

[sand onyx]

In my research

[urban prairie]

I have a 7900MBps gen 4 nvme

[sour wadi]

Bro look at the 25% coupon, beings it down to 337

[urban prairie]

That price is with coupon

[sand onyx]

What drive

[sour wadi]

Yes

Doesn't matter lol?

Brings it down to cheaper

[urban prairie]

XPG 1TB GAMMIX S70 Blade

[urban prairie]

No the 449 IS the discounted price

[sour wadi]

@sand onyx it's very good for the price yeah, usually poor price/perf for most as rand isn't as good as something like sk hynix p31

[urban prairie]

337 discounted price for QVO

[sour wadi]

No it's not

[urban prairie]

And 359 proce for mx500

[sour wadi]

Coupon codes aren't auto applied on newegg

[urban prairie]

They'll still all be around the same price

[sour wadi]

But 870 evo cheaper and just as good as mx500

[urban prairie]

They're all on back order anyways

[pallid orchid]

sir ur wrong

kindly do as pato says

[urban prairie]

Whereas the mx500 is available rn elsewhere

[sour wadi]

Back order with an ETA of 5 days time lol

[urban prairie]

And there's no guarantee I'll get one of the stock lol

[pallid orchid]

....

ur booking it

[urban prairie]

Is it me or does Newegg get low stock numbers compared to other retailers

[pallid orchid]

booking guarantees you get one'

[urban prairie]

Yes, but if 40 other people are as well and they only get 20?

[pallid orchid]

thats why you book things

[sour wadi]

They'll order in a crap tun

[pallid orchid]

i think the people who design the eta algorithms are smarter than you or I and account for this

[sour wadi]

They wouldn't have on backorder if they couldn't deliver the promise

[urban prairie]

Well....I'll get the QVO or mx500 as there's no guarantee the discount will still be there next week when I get paid

And the girlfriend is calling, so..

IF the discount is still available I'll get the EVO

[dense merlin]

when people ask for help and ignore the help is the funniest thing to me

[urban prairie]

I just said I'll get the EVO is the discount is still up

I listened

[sour wadi]

Yeah well there's no guarantee that mx500 will stay the same price either lol

[pallid orchid]

if u want something in a week ask for it after a week

lmfao

[urban prairie]

Everyone's saying Evo so...

[pallid orchid]

parts prices change way too much

[urban prairie]

Can't change THAT drastically

It's not like gas prices

[sour wadi]

Haha

Sales happen all the time

Parts go out of stock

Etc

[pallid orchid]

literally #storage-devices message

it changed drastically in the 1 day duration pato has been helping u

ur talking about a week

lol

[pallid orchid]

390$ to 312$ is a lil drastic no?

overnight as well

[sour wadi]

Twas a different guy but ye

[pallid orchid]

eh same difference

[wary vigil]

Sorry for multiple posts (I'm a n00b & didn't see the breakout topics) --- Hi, I have an old Mac internal 50 pin SCSI HD. Is there a SATA adapter cable I can use to access my old data. Newegg said to check here for possible help..... Thanks and happy St. Patty day.

[mossy wren]

it sounds like my HDD is louder than normal all of a sudden and isn't shutting up.. usually on start up it will have the harddrive reading noise but stops, it wont stop now

even at 0%

[kind sierra]

Don't know if you could find one to convert it to data but I could probably dig up a pci or pcie card for it if you have any slots open

[wary vigil]

I very much appreciate the offer, however the computer shell is long gone and I just have the HD "guts" left now. Got a link to a MacWorld article in another channel that I am checking out, so there's still faint hope......😉

[sand onyx]

Question for the storage experts

[sour wadi]

!ask

[small steppe]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[sand onyx]

We figured it out

[cyan needle]

What is a good usb flash drive?

[sour wadi]

Honestly just any usb is fine for like 99% of people

[cyan needle]

Yeah, I just ended up going with a cheap 32gb flash drive.

I will probably only use it for installing windows.

[pseudo marsh]

!ask

[small steppe]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[sand onyx]

I know I know

[harsh blaze]

Not really sure: I have an AIO Inspiron 24-5459. The HD is nearing the end of its useful life. I'd like to replace it but I don't need a 1T drive which is what is in it now. I am thinking 500 max but not less than 200G. I am not sure which to buy. Can you assist?

[real lava]

Those drives aren't in production anymore, I'd suggest going 2tb instead

They're priced the same as 1tb pretty much

But better value

[acoustic nest]

what about a 500G ssd tho

i'm assuming he's booting off a HDD

[real lava]

oh true

i forgot that lol

[acoustic nest]

and he can only fit 2.5" drives

[real lava]

could just easily upgrade to an ssd

[acoustic nest]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/lit_files/256431.pdf

[real lava]

ah it's actually 2.5"

[acoustic nest]

maybe he can swap out the optical for a hdd caddy

if he really wants a second drive

but still

a SSD seems like the better option here

considering how slow 2.5" hdds are

[zealous minnow]

Can anyone help me fix an old laptop hdd?

It has minor hardware damage

[real lava]

fixing an hdd?

well nah

once it's damaged you can't fix it unless you have a clean room with negative pressure

cause taking one apart could easily render it unusable forever if a little speck of dust gets on the platter

[open gazelle]

Depends on what's damaged. A damaged PCB isnt too hard to repair/replace if you know what to look out for.

If the platter/head/arm is damaged then welp

[ornate canopy]

if it makes weird clicking noises, you are absolutely f***ed

[red jay]

facts

[fast pier]

Would this be reusable?

[blazing musk]

Answered ^

[arctic peak]

NAS related question. Whats better? Western Digital Red Pro or Seagate Ironwolf Pro?

[blazing musk]

Personally I like the ironwolf but whichever you like or is cheaper

[kind sierra]

I'd go with ironwolf or the toshiba n300

[arctic peak]

What makes you go with those two?

[kind sierra]

Both good respectable drives and either is too crazy expensive

[arctic peak]

I see

[open gazelle]

Anyone know what the best free drive recovery software is? Or is any random one on the internet fine?
Looking to get deleted files.

[blazing musk]

First thing to do when recovering deleted data is to take the drive offline

Don't use it, or it may write over the bits

Plug it into another PC and use software like recuva

[open gazelle]

Yeah it's kinda hard to do that, Im not there and no one is that tech savy at the place Im trying to help (GFs brother)

Unless there is a USB bootable software

[blazing musk]

There is but the caveat is you need somewhere to copy the deleted data to

[open gazelle]

Would using two USB drives work, one for bootable and one for storage?
No secondary internal drive

[blazing musk]

Yes

[open gazelle]

Do ya know the USB bootable recovery software?

[blazing musk]

Easus has one

https://www.easeus.com/datarecoverywizardpro/

I'm not sure what their trial version limits are

[open gazelle]

Im trying to find that out

[blazing musk]

The longer that drive is on the less likely it is that the data can be recovered. Also even successfully recovered files may be unusable or corrupted.

[open gazelle]

Ye, finally got the PC to be off. Idk how bad it got, wasnt exactly a clean process for the guy. Forks also recommended some stuff Im looking into

[turbid crater]

Is the seagate 5tb portable hd on sale via 72 hours deal for 100 usd

[sour wadi]

I don't trust drives that aren't 2^something size wise

[turbid crater]

I like using portables since im on the go a lot @sour wadi

[sour wadi]

Yeah that makes sense I'd personally only go for a 2/4/8tb though

[turbid crater]

I need at least a 5tb since my current 3tb is slmost out of space from my anime tv shows and movies

[turbid crater]

Dont the 8tb needs its own power supply

[sour wadi]

They shouldn't

[turbid crater]

There isnt any western digital or other good storage companies that make pottable 8tb but im good with a 5tb @sour wadi

Portable

[sour wadi]

Fair enough seems like they max out at 5tb for the moment , I'd personally grab a 4tb instead

https://www.newegg.com/seagate-model-stkc4000403-4tb/p/N82E16822184886

I'd grab that personally

[turbid crater]

I will probably grab a 5tb wait til its on sale for around 100 usd got a 20 gift card from a monitor i ordered last year plus another 30 gift card from a friend plus another code thing for 10 off @sour wadi

[sour wadi]

I mean you do you, there have been issues with odd numbered drives like that tho

[turbid crater]

What u mean by odd number drives hqving issues

[sour wadi]

Like something that's not 2 to the power of something in size has had problems before just being bad /possibly failing i cannot remember

[blazing musk]

3TB Seagate drives had around a 60% early failure rate lol

[open gazelle]

Correlation =/= causation, no theoretical proof that uneven drives are garbage afaik. Cant really compare 3tb 3.5" drives to 5tb 2.5" drives as so, so, many things could be different due to size on disk and physical size.

Also looking at Backblaze reports the 6TB, 12TB, and 14TB drives are in the top contenders of being most reliable as with those that are base 2 (4tb, 8tb, 16tb) thus showing they are just as reliable. So ye, base2 stuff has no affect on reliability for HDDs.

[supple basalt]

Ok so i need some help ive had a Hdd for about 1 month and ive tried formatting it and it use to finish and just say parameter incorrect or something but then it was formatting lastnight and it took about 2 weeks to get 11% and the our power flickered due to storms but like ive never had or heard of an issue like this like why is it taking so long to formatting it was doing about 1% every 24hrs before my power went out do you have any ideas i really dont feel like waiting a month just to use my hard drive

if it helps any its a 2TB seagate hdd

[blazing musk]

A 2TB drive should only take seconds to do a quick format, maybe an hour for a long format

It sound like the drive should be replaced

[open gazelle]

Sounds like its only a month old, RMA it

[supple basalt]

Soo I got the drive back in like February and I thought the same thing snd I returned it snd got another one and I asked a friend like hey I know I’m not doing this wrong but you know more than me can you make sure I’m doing it right and he did and it still won’t work

I’ve tried different sata cable’s different connectors a different drive different I even went from windows 10 to 11 thinking maybe there is an issue with windows 10 or something

[supple basalt]

What do you mean by this. Sorry I don’t have the best knowledge of this stuff

[open gazelle]

RMA means use warranty and get a replacement

[supple basalt]

I’ve already replaced it cause I was taking to a friend about it and he said it sounds like it’s corrupted or something and he walked me through everything and it’s still doing this

Ive tries different cables a different connector on the mobo I’ve tried a different drive and os and nothing works

After my power went out I haven’t restarted the format cause I wanted to see if you guys would have any idea why it was taking over 2 weeks for 11%

[red jay]

is the seagate barracuda 1tb a good drive it has over 1000 good reviews but im just checking with some other people

nevermind

[sour wadi]

Nah shouldn't bother getting 1tb haed drives any more, you can get 2tb drives for like 5-10$ more

[red jay]

ok

i found one for 45 bucks

should i get 2 1tbs for cheaper or 1 2tb drive

[sour wadi]

If you found a 1tb hdd for less 20$ or less I'd say it's most likely pretty bad

You can link it if you want tho

Personally I'd go for one of these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gHNxFT/western-digital-wd-blue-2-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd20ezbx
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BcQG3C/seagate-barracuda-compute-2-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st2000dmz08dm008
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mwrYcf/seagate-barracuda-computer-2-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st2000dm008

[red jay]

thanks

im going with the 3rd one

most reviews 5 stars

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Jd8j4D/western-digital-blue-2-tb-35-5400rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd20ezaz

thats cheaper

[sour wadi]

Really doesn't matter

[red jay]

k

[sour wadi]

It's also slower

[red jay]

which one

[real lava]

the 5400rpm wd blue

[finite wren]

Smh I way overspent on my storage I spent 110 for a wd 1tb m.2 then a week later newegg had a sale

[red jay]

oof

[real lava]

110 isn't that bad

[finite wren]

Yeah but an Intel 1tb SSD was $90 and the rest of my PC cost around 470 without the ssd

[real lava]

intel ssd?

that's qlc

they're not good kek

[finite wren]

Oh idk I didn't really pay attention

[real lava]

usable tho but not recommended

[finite wren]

Just saw the price I'm Happy with my drive though super fast I'm only limited by my network for stuff

[sour wadi]

Team mp34 is cheaper and better

[inner silo]

I was wondering if there is a way to transfer files from an SSD to a m.2? I want to change my ssd (which is my main drive) to a m.2 I just got to use as my main drive but I also want to wipe my SSD clean and use it for extra storage. Is there a way to do that?

[sour wadi]

marcium reflect

[fringe sluice]

hey i wanted to buy another ssd called Kingston A400 SATA SSD Solid State Drive 2.5 Inch Sata 3-480 GB, SA400S37/480G, Black
for my pc is it good ?

[acoustic nest]

pretty sure that's bottom of the barrel

[sour wadi]

No, what country you in?

[fringe sluice]

wdym

[acoustic nest]

i'd call it

[fringe sluice]

is it bad ?

[acoustic nest]

dogsh-

[sour wadi]

Yeah

[fringe sluice]

ugh

why

[sour wadi]

Slow 🦥

[acoustic nest]

it's dramless

it's slow

[sour wadi]

What country you in?

[fringe sluice]

ksa

[sour wadi]

There's good dramless ssds

Uhh where's that again?

[acoustic nest]

the SU650 is somewhat decent

kentucky state airport

[fringe sluice]

weird the reviews said its good

[sour wadi]

Interesting county

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

[frank copper]

I think he means Saudi Arabia

[sour wadi]

Get something on this list

[acoustic nest]

yeah it declared independence in 2001

[sour wadi]

Yeah i thought it was saudi area

[sour wadi]

@fringe sluice

Get the cheapest one on here imo

[acoustic nest]

most of them are m.2 lol

[fringe sluice]

i need an ssd xD

[sour wadi]

The 2nd section is sata, and sometimes nvme is cheaper

[acoustic nest]

do you have a m.2 slot tho

[sour wadi]

Yes that's why i linked the SSD buying guide

[acoustic nest]

yeah it's really funny how nvmes are just the better option now if you have a m.2 slot

[fringe sluice]

Thanks

[frank copper]

I have a 1TB NVME SSD by Samsung (980) and im getting an 8tb HDD for game storage

7200 RPM

[fringe sluice]

isn't it over kill 8tb

[frank copper]

I have like 60 games in my Steam Library. It's just so i'll never need one again

and it's under $200 usd

i have more in other libraries, too.

[sour wadi]

You're getting a data center drive?

[frank copper]

i think that's the one I need to purchse

Desktop PC Compatible.

[sour wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qLRzK8/seagate-barracuda-compute-8-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st8000dmz04

Get this ^

Wait that's 5400rpm that's way cheaper bit slower

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hsYmP6/western-digital-wd-red-plus-8-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd80efbx

This one ^

[frank copper]

lookin for helium

[sour wadi]

Huh

[frank copper]

Sorry this might be the one

https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Ultrastar-HUS728T8TALE6L4-0B36404/dp/B07H4PR6HN/ref=pd_lpo_2?pd_rd_i=B07H4PR6HN&th=1

I want a helium sealed HDD

ughh prices might have gone up again already

[sour wadi]

Looks alright for 180

No idea what helium sealed is tho never heard of it

[fringe sluice]

SanDisk SSD PLUS 480GB - 2.5” SATA SSD, up to 535MB/s Read and 445MB/s Write speeds

should i order this one ?

[sour wadi]

Can you link it?

[fringe sluice]

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-480GB-Solid-State-SDSSDA-480G-G26/dp/B01F9G46Q8

[sour wadi]

I believe if you're going sandisk you want the ultra 3d one

[fringe sluice]

ye

and from your link 3d ultra is listed there

so all good ?

[sour wadi]

That's not 3d ultra tho that's plus

[open gazelle]

SD SSD Plus is basically lowest tier SSD that isnt really trash. Basically same as SU630/SU635/BX500/A400/CS900/GX1/Burst/SA100/CX2, all very rarely worth it.

[real lava]

how bout wd green? just curious lol

cause i got a wd green ssd here

[upper quiver]

im p sure green is total dogwater

[open gazelle]

I think hardware is fine or smth, firmware was causing issues and was updated to not be trash, I think

"fine" in terms of being equal to the lowest end class that isnt terrible I just listed

[quiet gust]

I have this 4 pin connector to SATA power, how is the 4 pin connector called? It looks like a fan header (4pin)

I need to know what the red, black and the yellow cable are (+) (-) (?) Because I need it to power an HDD

[blissful night]

JST connector

Most likely a JST-ZH in specific

[pallid orchid]

show me what the black parts pins look like

[quiet gust]

Ok, i checked and it looks like the -sh connector since it is 10mm wide

Yes, it's sh

@blissful night maybe you meant "sh" but you typed "zh"

[blissful night]

No I meant zh

Looks more like zh, sh is smaller pins

This is a 4 pin sh