storage-devices

[sour wadi]

depends on the case but usually 3 front 1 back

[wispy flint]

Corsair 4000d Airflow

[sour wadi]

3 front 1 back

[wispy flint]

Ok

My ssd dosent have a screw. Can I just put the cover over it?

[sour wadi]

m.2 ssd?

[wispy flint]

What cable do I use to connect my mobo to my hdd? Can someone send a pic of it @sour wadi

and yes

[real lava]

The m.2 slot should already have a screw for you

Also you use sata data cable

Then sata power cable from the psu

[vague oxide]

Help please

Wich one is good ?

[red jay]

Sandisk.

Literally just hopping in this channel because my samsung evo 128gb is dead. Overheating, literally burning a hole in whatever it's inserted into and all the data on it is gone lmfao

Was literally gonna ask if there was anything I can do to get the data off it but I doubt it

[vague oxide]

Oh okey thank you

[kind sierra]

@olive wadi https://www.eetimes.com/samsungs-pcie-5-0-ssd-promises-speeds-up-to-13000-mb-s/

Samsung did a thing

[sour wadi]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/SK-Hynix-announces-the-Platinum-P41-PCIe-NVMe-Gen-4-0-SSD.589665.0.html hynix also did a thing just for consumers

[small carbon]

I'm still waiting on a good 2TB for $100 or less lol, & not sata.

[kind sierra]

That's called a hard drive

[small carbon]

At least $80ish/TB is darn good so far

[sour wadi]

ohh you mean less than 100 per tb?

thats been around for ages

you can get 150$ ish 2tb ssds

[small carbon]

I didn't

[vague oxide]

Cool

Who will benefit with this speed ?

[sour wadi]

Servers it's not a consumer ssd

[vague oxide]

So pcie 5 is useless for consumer now ?

[sour wadi]

Atm nothing to really take use of it no

[small carbon]

Seems we barely need pcie4 also, so far. Btw I'll do some 1tb mx500 sata vs sn550 tests in a week or so with new rig.

[kind sierra]

No real need to, the speeds are already known

[cerulean monolith]

i have a lengthy process question, so does anyone know how to get back access to an HDD from an external dock because of a bad windows update(Access Denied) ? plz dm me on that, ty

[blazing musk]

Linux can usually bypass anything short of hardware encryption pretty easily. Just use a boot usb

[serene laurel]

Storage for cameras: I want 128 GB of it, but i found this on amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08T6QSBPJ?tag=0506-gp-aawp-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

I was planning on sandisk

But is this brand less reputable?

[real lava]

pny is like

also literally sandisk

iirc

[blissful night]

SanDisk is WD brand

I know that

[serene laurel]

Hmm okay. But y’all haven’t heard any atrocious things about their storage?

[real lava]

nope

no fires or anything

they're just sandisk

which is wd

[serene laurel]

pny is sandisk which is wd? man why do they have to be confusing

[blissful night]

Afaik PNY is PNY and is not owned and does not own any other companies or brands

[frozen tundra]

Anyone got any experience with these SSDs or heard anything bad about them? https://www.newegg.com/leven-2tb/p/1B0-016A-00002?Description=leven ssd&cm_re=leven_ssd-_-9SIAWA4DW44721-_-Product&quicklink=true

[blazing musk]

Looks like your standard sata drive. The company is from Taiwan, est. 1996.

[real lava]

an average ssd i guess

[trim cloak]

for 2tb ig it’s not bad

[warm valley]

anyone have issues with the stability of new sabrent rocket M.2s?
similarly, has anyone had issues with using acronis to clone 1TB drives to 2TB?
I just bought a sabrent rocket 2TB and now I'm bluescreening so it looks like either I'm an idiot or the drive is bad.
When it bluescreens, it disappears off the boot list but comes back if I reboot after waiting a while. This made me think it's a heat thing but since when do ordinary M.2s have heat issues?

[sour wadi]

I'm gonna guess your copy of Windows was corrupted before or corrupted during the copy
Try running the bat file in pins of #windows-ios
If that doesn't work, use macrium reflect if you haven't deleted your install from the old drive, otherwise copy ant important files to your 1tb then reinstall windows

[limpid snow]

So @sour wadi, I don’t remember. Did we decide that 7200 RPM hard drives would last longer or SATA SSDs?

Meaning which one is most likely to die last? That’s the one I want.

[pallid orchid]

Depends on how u use it

Normal use ssd

Chia mining hdd

[sour wadi]

Yeah like rawr said ssd best life unless you chia mine or something stupid to kill the nand

[small carbon]

Plus hdds have that inherent vulnerability of their moving parts and not liking sudden jolts.

[blazing musk]

Modern ssd should be the longest life component in your system.

[blazing musk]

Plus magnets that will lose charge eventually

[small carbon]

Oh yeah, ssds don't have a reliance on something like that huh. What's an actual life for hdds, 10-15 yrs? I guess that's when powered on. Keeping old hdds too long w/o using probably isn't smart

[blazing musk]

5 years on a shelf on average. Longer if you're lucky.

The bits will start to degrade and you'll lose data over time

After all, it's just stored by an electrical charge that will dissipate eventually

[minor sun]

some fun bits
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/are-ssds-really-more-reliable-than-hard-drives/

[blazing musk]

The real difference between hdd and ssd failures is you can usually see a hdd failure coming and backup your data. But ssd failure is usually just poof controller died. The nand life is so long by now it's a non-issue.

[small carbon]

Interesting. Well good thing my current "game" hdd is actually my full old Win7 setup, but I'll still hook up & gleen through another old(er) hdd. 👍

[limpid snow]

And how many years is that?

[small carbon]

Probably much longer than when we decide to buy any other component again 😅

[blazing musk]

Barring failure of the controller, you can't really measure it in years but instead in writes. I still have 99% life on my 256gb hp boot drive that has 20tb written.

[limpid snow]

Hmm.

[limpid snow]

Any average I can rely on?

Barring faulty controllers.

[blazing musk]

Varies widely by the drive and controller used but I've never seen a third gen or newer ssd reach 0% life

Third gen being roughly 2016 iirc

[limpid snow]

So what’s a pretty good Sata SSD I could get right now?

Needs to be SATA.

[blazing musk]

For what use and in what budget? I'd really just look at the tier list tbh

[sour wadi]

What size?

[blazing musk]

If in doubt wd blue is a decent bet

[sour wadi]

Also for reference my 2016 240gb sata hyperx-so kingston drive? was my only drive until may ish of 2021 and it's still at like 99% or so

Mx500 from crucial too us good shout

[small carbon]

250GB mx500 is my boot right now (from when prices were much higher) & the lower write speed vs bigger drives seems mostly a nonissue. Tons of options, just a handful of models to avoid.

[serene laurel]

When did ssds get so expensive? I bought a p31 gold for 134 in September and now they’re like 250

Also. I need to find a good ssd (m.2 ) for my bros laptop I’m making him. Gonna be dual booting. I’d like 500 gigs but 250 might have to work. His budget for that is around 60 dollars.

[minor sun]

Mainly because out of stock

A few days ago and it'd be like 135$, few days earlier and it was on sale for like 115$

For a decent boot drive, mp33 512gb should be around 50$

[sour wadi]

they didnt, you can get the 2tb p31 for like 235 or so

sn550 is 42$ atm for 500gb

[serene laurel]

That might be the sweet spot

[cerulean monolith]

um... so back to my storage issue, i can see the drive but now i cant move it to my other drive cause apparently the destination drive is under read only? I dunno how to linux

nevermind i got it. used a drive that didn't have any windows permissions

[small carbon]

For 1TB it's certain drives when they're $85-95 like the Sabrent rocket or Hynix p31 🤘

[minor sun]

@olive wadi thoughts on phison's new E26? Is it just going to be an overclocked E18 or will it actually be better?

[olive wadi]

idk sleeping

[serene laurel]

I like my p31. But yeah, that’s true

[kind sierra]

That said, controller failure doesn't necessarily mean data loss

[clear cove]

Just tried to update firmware on my 2TB 980PRO and now BSOD! Trying to create a recovery drive from my fiancée’s laptop. Anyone else have issues with Samsung Magician?

[vast garnet]

Whenever I download something it maxes out my disk usage on my storage disk, and it's also loud as hell. Is that doing any damage to the hardware?

By that I mean that the activity rockets to 100% and stays there

I'm not used to loud disk drives so it makes me uneasy

(I think what's happening is that MSE is scanning it all in real-time)

[sour wadi]

Hdds are loud, they are spinning disks after all

At 5400 or 7200 rotations per minute so

[vast garnet]

OK, so it's not something that should be a concern long-term?

[sour wadi]

No

[vast garnet]

Thanks! I was worried it might be killing the life expectancy or something.

[red jay]

When

Will I get a new storage device

[pallid garden]

In like 6 months when Pcie 5 goes out

[untold heart]

Supports only M.2 SATA SSDs when using an AMD Athlon™-series/ 7th Gen. A-series or Athlon™ X4 APU.
Just saw this in my mobo provider site for my specific mobo, my CPU is a ryzen5 3600X, is it compatible with the M.2?

[latent schooner]

Is the WD sn550 any good?

[small carbon]

Yes I bought one. Good budget ssd for general use & the 500GB is only $43ish. If you spending $90+ for a 1TB, look into the Sabrent Rocket or Hynix P31.

[latent schooner]

What better 1tb are there?

Because that is one of the cheapest

[small carbon]

Hynix P31 in general use beats some Pcie4 ssds . Samsung 870 evo plus & a few others are good buys but I don't recall at the moment. Takes longer to check on phone.

[small radish]

I run the 870EVO Plus for my Windows and gaming side.

[small radish]

What are you hoping to do with it? SN550 1TB is what I run for my daily driving Linux OS, browsing and video editing.

[small carbon]

I think I've seen the 1TB sabrent rocket for $85ish. If so, I'd for sure pick it over the SN550/sn570 tbh. Can check the pinned messages here for a big tier list., although B tier is plenty for most of us.

[latent schooner]

Storing games and basically all non OS things

I can't see the sabrent rocket for less than $150

[small carbon]

U.S.? Prices sure vary anyways. If non-os ssd, then little point paying too much extra. Good to check pcpartpicker then see which better ssds are close in price to the sn550/570 etc, although these 2 are still 4 times faster than sata. That's just sequential. "Random" is usually priority

[small steppe]

kanji#1984 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[latent schooner]

Not us rip

Aud

[small carbon]

[kind sierra]

https://www.newelectronics.co.uk/electronics-news/micron-starts-shipping-the-industrys-first-176-layer-qlc-nand/243465/

2TB 2230 m.2 drive

Steam deck here we come

https://www.micron.com/products/ssd/product-lines/2400

Micron claims sequential r/w speeds of 4500/4000 MBps, we'll have to see how they do on random 4k

[small carbon]

Indeed. See if it can even match the p31 in general day to day use.

[kind sierra]

It probably won't, that's not what it's for

[small carbon]

Guess quite a few drives prioritize sequential and tbw or something.

[kind sierra]

It's a 2TB 2230, what do you think it's prioritizing?

[small carbon]

The 33% better io & 24% less latency is a decent speel though. Will be good when we have some 2TB m2 ssds that are closer to $100 than $200.

[kind sierra]

I doubt that will happen anytime soon

[sour wadi]

I mean you can already get them for ~160 sometimes

[small carbon]

Any real 2TB sata deals lately? Of course those would spank a hdd as usual.

[sour wadi]

Mp33 is the cheapest good ssd atm

[kind sierra]

You'd be surprised at how little difference there is between a cheap sata SSD and a good high quality HDD

[small carbon]

That's disconcerting, most I'd do is clone an old os drive or 500+ GB of games. Actually the X300 Toshiba has had my eye for a while but not quite a priority.

[kind sierra]

There are faster

[small radish]

So I am not bashing NewEgg here, but what is up with the "Shell Shocker" not seeming like much of a deal at all

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-1tb/p/N82E16820009012?Item=N82E16820009012&cm_sp=Dailydeal_SS-_-20-009-012-_-01122022

[sour wadi]

Good drive just not good deal, and it's just there cuz it's on sale

[small radish]

I thought Shell Shockers were supposed to be particularly interesting sales, rather than just on sale.

[kind sierra]

It's a grab bag of sales, usually they're pretty bland

[sour wadi]

Remember it's just a marketing term too

[small radish]

I must be susceptible to marketing

[silent coyote]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/adata-xpg-atom-50-1-tb/

hhm.

dramless but uh

pog nand

quad channel + 2400mt/s nand speed controller

@olive wadi poggogrit + hmb

nvm inly 1600mbps

[serene laurel]

Off of Amazon I ordered two sn550s, but they sent me two crucial p2s. And they even changed the order history to say that’s what I ordered. I am positive I did not. And my mom and brother watched me order the sn550, I not crazy. Are they about the same? Or should I return them

Both are 500 gb

[serene laurel]

Anyone?

Also I paid 42.99 usd for them

[sour wadi]

Definitely return, p2 is not good

Even if it was crucial p1 would be downgrade as sn550s have nicer rand perf

[small carbon]

Eh, probably still gets beat by Hynix P31.

[serene laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-gif-23973681

I was so excited I got them. Stupid Amazon

[small carbon]

At least amazon returns aren't too bad.

[serene laurel]

I read conflicting sites, but it even said that the p2 had half the thw :(((

Yeah i guess

But I won’t be able to pay the discounted price anymore

[sour wadi]

i mean its useable but nothing compared to sn550 or p2, basically if not new and not on windshields list in pins its not good

[serene laurel]

Wait I’ll check if it is

[sour wadi]

it aint

[serene laurel]

Ah

Sad

Rats

[minor sun]

Funny that they decided to rebrand Micron 176l as adata

seems like a fun controller tho

[silent coyote]

it doesn't

cope and seethe

[small carbon]

p31 in general use does however beat a couple gen 4 drives. 🤘 High sequential is niche use or e-peen mostly

[minor sun]

this might actually beat p31 btw

fun controller

[silent coyote]

imagine this controller with dram and its maximum 2400mbps nand

[small carbon]

Checking that link now. There no throttling part is definitely good, even if throttling is usually after like 100GB? Doubt I'd ever make these throttle.

[minor sun]

hynix 176l nand perhaps

although haven't seen any data on that yet

[silent coyote]

cracked open my inland 480gb ssd

i got for $70 in 2018

sorting by lowest

it has dram!

im inpressed

[small carbon]

wow talk about chip density, or lack of. Pretty neat though

[sour wadi]

Any numbers out on that mouse ssd yet?

[silent coyote]

lol i think its planar

[small carbon]

Did you just rip off a couple things?

[silent coyote]

naw

[small carbon]

oh duh.... sure is crazy vs a m.2 w/ only 1 "die" and the same capacity.

[minor sun]

Is S10 a decent controller?

[silent coyote]

its fine

its old but its sata with dram so not like it really matters

[olive wadi]

doesnt work that way

as in you think its planar because there's a high amount of chips

mx500 for example has a lot of packages on it, but it uses only 2 dies per package

[silent coyote]

i think its planar because the part number is quite close to some other planar nand

and the package style looks old

rather than the bga we know on newer nand

i wonder tho

could i update the firmware on the controller

oh nvm the nand is bics3 tlc 32L

even better

[olive wadi]

bics3 is 64L

bics2?

also that new adata ssd seems pretty similar to acer fa100

interestnig, new dramless innogrit controller

[kind sierra]

Adding a thought, lots of chips like that could theoretically give you much higher bandwidth

[spring violet]

Sooo, Samsung 970 Evo Plus suddenly stopped working properly yesterday.

• Suddenly Unable To Update/Play Games I Had Stored On It
• Still showed up in my disk management/file explorer, but things would not delete off of it?
• Secure Wiped via Samsung Magician, Files are gone but unable to download anything to it
• Is it garbage?

I should add that for it a minute it was not showing up at all suddenly, but I powered off and drained any remaining power and then restarted and it came back

[sour wadi]

Try running chkdsk C: or whatever your drive letter for that is in cmd as admin

[fathom siren]

Friend wants an external hard drive for around 50 bucks, terabyte or more, any recommendations?

[acoustic parrot]

Are hdd still worth it?

[small carbon]

If you want $15-25 per TB, yes. Not like most of us need our entire steam or "homework" collection on an ssd. Plus, ssd is often still 3-4x as expensive. Although, I don't suggesst an "external " hdd at all. Hdds don't like possible sudden movements.

[small carbon]

Glance at this wD. Link is to the 2TB one but the TB is $45.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VTFN6HM

[sour wadi]

for bulk storage for cheap yeah, as long as theres still an SSD with the OS on it tho

[acoustic parrot]

Oh thanks

[frozen pawn]

best internal m.2 for a budget build?

[blazing musk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101

$76 on newegg and you get a 16gb flash drive

[frozen pawn]

👍

[steady talon]

Wdym, I need my “homework” to be able to be pulled up as fast as I can

What if my teacher is about to catch me playing games

[blazing musk]

Ah, reminds me of when I discovered the 2 computers on my high school campus that were not locked down. One was right in front of the librarian's desk so that's a no go, but the other was in the back room of the ROTC class so I installed Halo on that, got 3 of my senior classes to be that ROTC, and played Halo for 2 hours a day pretending to do homework. Good times.

[minor sun]

Lmao

@olive wadi adata trying to say they won't swap controller and nand again
https://www.techpowerup.com/291025/adata-guarantees-consistent-xpg-atom-50-ssd-controller-and-nand-flash-combo

[olive wadi]

no chad adata do not surrender to the redditors

[minor sun]

Lol

[minor sun]

Inb4 "Intel 64l is consistent in performance with micron 176l"

[small carbon]

This is still amusing (I recently had to look up sata ssd info for someone). Curious, any idea what the real limit to the small sata connector could be if we had sata 4 or 5? I know there's other factors too perhaps, but

[upper quiver]

oversized sure, but smaller doesnt mean better

we have M.2 for space efficiency

and sata for something that is easily mounted into a case

also to answer your question, there is really no limit to how fast we could potentially push SATA

its just we have already replaced that protocol with the significantly more efficient NVMe protocol

so theres no reason for sata 4 or more

its just that NVMe is more expensive to implement in the same way that sata is implemented

U.2 has been around, but iirc U.2 cables are spensive, and the drives that use them are too

but as you have discovered, even our 4TB sata based drives hardly fill up the 2.5 in form factor, so whats the point of using U.2? imo it was DOA.

[latent schooner]

good budget 1tb ssd?

[minor sun]

Mp33

[sour wadi]

Iirc you're in aus so sn550

[latent schooner]

i am in aus yes

that is v cheap jeez louise

[small carbon]

Sn550 is a legit boot ssd option.

[serene laurel]

ok im back to the drawing board. I need 2 m.2 boot ssds for me and my brothers laptops. any cheap suggustions? or should i just dig through that tier list...

oh, and midwest US

rn im seeing mp33 as 42.99

does the mp33 have a dram cache??

[minor sun]

Nah, but it has hmb, which makes it decent

[serene laurel]

is that the thing that makes it slower as it get fuller?

or is that the gimmicky cache thats part of the storage that i mthinking of

[minor sun]

It stands for host memory bus

Uses your ram instead of onboard cache

Just a little slower to access basically

Bus or buffer, forgot exact name

[serene laurel]

I see. I looked it up. Do you know if it works in Linux?

Or do I need to research xD

[serene laurel]

ok it should work in linux

will it slow the rest of this laptop down?

[latent schooner]

It's not going to be a boot, unless it would be faster than the sn530 in my laptop at the moment

Do you know what would be faster?

[serene laurel]

Ordered mp33

Yeeeeee

Comes Friday

[small carbon]

Idk. SN570 is "faster" in sequential for example, but otherwise most nvme ssds are pretty close in general use. It's funny there's almost no point to spending over ~$135/ssd (1TB) unless really needing the higher sequential speeds from some of them.

[small radish]

So 2TB Gen 4 TLC nvme I'm not seeing anything below ~$180

[red jay]

below 180 would be surprising for that tbh

[minor sun]

Did you mean gen 3? 2tb gen 4 tlc drive is going to set you back like 280$, drive with good nand is going to set you above 300$

[small radish]

I don't mean anything. I want all the things and I want them for an unreasonably low price.

[minor sun]

okai

[autumn willow]

Any good budget ones I'm near a micro center

[cloud bloom]

Hey friends. Bought a pre built pc for my son last year came with a 500g ssd . Looking to add storage. Can I add another ssd or do I need to replace. Can I keep my ssd and add a hhd?

[sour wadi]

You can add another ssd or hdd yes

[cloud bloom]

I want it for saved videos if game play had is good correct . Ssd is better to install games

[sour wadi]

Ssds are faster at downloading games yeah but they do cost more so just keep that in mind 👍

[dense merlin]

Could check the hynix p31, there's sometimes sales

[serene laurel]

Thanks, i did order the mp33 already though. It should be fine

[sour wadi]

Mp33 nice

[dense merlin]

Ah kk

Didn't read the rest if the convo before I said that

[serene laurel]

Skeptical on the HMB with Linux, but i read a thing that said it would work

[sour wadi]

Don't see why it wouldn't

[serene laurel]

Is it a thing in the bios or a thing in the OS

[pallid garden]

just got the 4tb corsair watercooled ssd

honestly cause it looks cool

[cloud bloom]

So I have a pny 500gig ssd I can add another size and brand and be ok ?

[sour wadi]

Yes

[cloud bloom]

Thank you

[pallid garden]

Just make sure to partition correctly

[small carbon]

Just skip the Samsung 980, sort of seems mediocre compared to other options.

[blazing musk]

*mediocre for the price bracket

It's still a great drive, just cheaper stuff can be just as good

[outer bane]

if you do find a good sale on a samsung drive just go to a bestbuy if in us and have them price match 😉

[minor sun]

980 is like a little above mp33 tier

So if it's just a little above mp33 pricing, go for it, but if it's 30$ more like it usually is, just don't

[outer bane]

yeah I only ever find deals on 970s never 980s 🥲

[small carbon]

oops

[sour wadi]

Lmao

[minor sun]

Just realized the micron 2400 uses micron 176L QLC, not their 176L TLC, wonder how good it'll be

Makes sense considering how small it is but interesting still

[kind sierra]

Hopefully good, their advertised iops look pretty solid

[muted trench]

hey guys is the wd data life diagnostics app good?

i'm checking for bad sectors

[rotund zephyr]

Is the 970 evo worse than the 980?

[sour wadi]

970 evo plus is better than 980

[rotund zephyr]

That’s what I thought didn’t really read the previous messages

[wise marsh]

I want to replace the HDD in my HP 8440P with an SSD. Can someone confirm if the Crucial MX500 500GB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD available at Newegg is the correct form factor and will fit straight into the HP 8440P?

[blazing musk]

Yes it should be a standard sata 2.5" drive slot

[wise marsh]

Thanks. Any specific software you would recommend to connect as external in order to clone existing hdd

[blazing musk]

Macrium reflect is often recommended here. I like clonezilla but that's a TUI command line thing and not everyone is comfortable with that.

[wise marsh]

thanks. I'll look into Macrium.

[small carbon]

I'll add that if the Hynix P31 was closer price, it would be my 1st pick. 🤘. Some "gen 4" ssds are also getting pretty well priced, but it's not really a factor in general use.

[cloud kiln]

should i keep my hdd running longer (like 60 minutes of inactivity), or should i have it turn off at like 10 mins

google has many varied responses

(hdd in question is a seagate barracuda)

[small carbon]

Laptop or not? On my desktop I picked never turn off. They idle/"park" themselves after a while anyways. I mean when not a boot drive.

[minor sun]

just leave it idle after constantly writing for a bit in the case of smr drives

[cloud kiln]

desktop

also i'm asking because im editing some power plans

[blazing musk]

Depends on your use case. Longer times might be good if it's a media or storage drive for quicker response to random requests, shorter if it's a game drive.

[cloud kiln]

does it affect drive life in any notable amounts

[blazing musk]

The motor gets more strain from spinning up than staying spinning. It's not much difference overall.

[spiral spear]

Can someone reco a good SSD for my build? I could prob get away with 500gig but could do 1tb if there's a solid option.

[minor sun]

Mp33

[spiral spear]

What's the difference between these?

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-1tb-mp33-pro/p/N82E16820331563?Item=N82E16820331563

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-1tb/p/N82E16820331417?Item=N82E16820331417

And how does this one compare? https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-rocket-nvme-1tb/p/0D9-001Y-00012

[small carbon]

Mp33 non-pro is basically the cheapest while still good general usage, mp33 pro & sabrent rocket(or similar) mostly just give higher sequential speeds normal users won't notice. The 1TB $100-$130 market is very crowded . Alternative to mp33 is WD's SN550 , depending on price. I got my 500GB for $44

[spiral spear]

Those 3 are all about the same price -- $79-$85

So it sounds like I should go with the Sabrent all things considered?

[small carbon]

Probably. Could glance at the 970 evo plus or Hynix P31, better although more expensive. Pinned messages here has a huge ssd tier list. There's certain Gen 4 ssds that are good buys but I forget which. Pcie 4 mainly just "allows" higher sequential speeds.

[dreamy void]

For current prices I like the Sabrent or crucial p5 $99/1TB

[dense merlin]

Samsung ssds only worth it on sale

[dreamy void]

With that sabrent being $15 off that’s a steal IMO

[small carbon]

Imo it's almost not worth paying much over $100ish per TB for any desktop ssd, lol. However, I'd love to have the P31, at least in a laptop because it's wattage is great also

[spiral spear]

Yup. That's what I was thinking.

[olive wadi]

p31 gold is redditor ssd

[kind sierra]

Oh, it's totally worth it depending on the use

[latent schooner]

is the sn550 the best budget 1tb ssd?

[kind sierra]

As of yesterday no

It's expensive compared to the others rn

[latent schooner]

in australia?

and if not what one is better

[sour wadi]

Yes

Actually no, p1 recently dropped price
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/pxKcCJ/crucial-p1-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ct1000p1ssd8

[latent schooner]

👀

$110 is pretty good

[minor sun]

@olive wadi apparently there's a rocket 4 plus with b47r now, do you know if it's getting a new name or just will new rocket 4 plus stock have good nand

[steady talon]

@sour wadi @hollow sphinx Should I buy a 2tb SN850 for $250?

I literally have it in my hands rn

[hollow sphinx]

hmm

is that price firm?

try to negotiate it down? lol

[steady talon]

GameStop so nope no negotiation

But no sales tax

[olive wadi]

no idea

[olive wadi]

decent price tbh

[steady talon]

I passed on it

Not worth it imo

[sour wadi]

Nope, s70 blade 2tb is 250$ constantly so not worth imo

[olive wadi]

sn850 is better than the s70 so if they're the same price i mean

it's just s70 is typically so much cheaper

[sour wadi]

Fair

[quiet gust]

i just removed a partition (F:) from my disk (E:) and now there is only (E:) (obviously) but it shows only 70GB out of 150 total hdd space....

why?

H E L P

[quiet gust]

plz tag me when you reply

[blazing musk]

You need to go into disk management and expand the E drive to use the empty space

[brittle pivot]

Hey where can I send an audio/video clip?

What I assume is my hard drive is super loud at times

Has been happening basically ever since I bought it

[quiet gust]

Extend volume?

Do i have to just click "next" with default settings
Do i have to change anything?
@blazing musk

[quiet gust]

That's the situation

[pallid orchid]

right click E:

click expand

make sure you select all the space you have

[quiet gust]

On the left it says "base GB:150GB"
(E:) is 78gb (primary partition)
(F:) is 71gb

Do i have to change?

If I right click on F: it says remove partition

@pallid orchid

[quiet gust]

Maybe it will do something

[pallid orchid]

there is no F: in the pic you sent

where you right clicking?

[quiet gust]

Is the green one

It was F:

[pallid orchid]

in the pic there is no F:

so did you create it again?

[quiet gust]

No, for some reason yesterday the green partition was called (F:)

Now it hasn't got any letter

[pallid orchid]

so you want to create f again

or make e bigger?

[quiet gust]

No

I want to have only one partiton on the disk (now it has 2 (70 & 90gb)

[pallid orchid]

send a screenshot of diskmgmt again

[quiet gust]

It's all Italian

Disk 1 is divided in two parts, I only want one (150gb)

If I go to "this PC" I can find only E: (from the HDD) with 78gb

It should be 150

[next turtle]

All you should need to do is right click on drive E and select extend volume and see if it lets you add the unallocated space

[quiet gust]

Do i have to change anything?

@next turtle

[pallid orchid]

Left click on e

Click extend

Select all the space

Hit confirm

[quiet gust]

Despite its Italian... what should I click/modify?

@pallid orchid

[pallid orchid]

looks good

hit continue

[quiet gust]

It says it's "not supported"

Right click on the green partition >remove partition?

I just searched on Google, it told me to click "remove volume" now I can't see the disk

Perfect

Solved everything

Now i can see the full disk

150gb

[pallid orchid]

hopefully there was no data on the drive

[quiet gust]

No, only win XP files

Its from an old computer

[pallid orchid]

ahh

i thought you had files on it

reformat is the easiest way

[quiet gust]

I had to reset it because it was full of locked files since it was some sort of client
So now I can reinstall win XP/7 and modify settings on the PC

I had to do it because it had an administrator account that couldnt be removed from the pc itself

[pallid orchid]

you coulda stopped here if you wanted to reinstall tbh

[quiet gust]

I wasn't able to see the HDD from my computer, only disk management was able to recognise the disk

So I formatted it

Can I use an HDD with SATA adapter to install win 7 on a computer?
Instead of an usb pen

I don't have any usb pen for some reason...

(alternatives to install win 7 on the PC? Without using usb pen)

[blazing musk]

You could set up a network boot
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/configure-a-pxe-server-to-load-windows-pe

[serene laurel]

Okay, should I get my defective $42.99 mp33 replaced, or return it and buy a wd black sn750 for 7 more dollars? I can’t take advantage of pcie 4 at all, laptop is from 2017.

[pallid orchid]

get the sn750

[serene laurel]

It’s worth it? And does it have a dram cache?

[pallid orchid]

yeah its great

[serene laurel]

Nice

I reallllllly hope it doesn’t go off sale

Alright, packaged it up, did the amazong return form, now I gotta wait about an hour, then I drop it off at the ups store, (take the L fedex and knz), then I wait 2-4 hours for the money back, THEN I order the wd black sn750 and hope it’s still on sale

[small carbon]

I returned a couple things last week & had refund within 2 hrs of dropping off. No kidding. 👍

If anyone is looking at $130ish gen 4 drives, 4 hrs for this price. Probably throttles quite a bit w/o heatsink though.

[serene laurel]

I still haven’t gotten it yet, but we just dropped it off about an hour ago

[serene laurel]

Alright. Amazong is dumb and is going to wait 3-5 days, and then 2-4 hours to give me the Amazon credit. So I went ahead and ordered the sn750 while it’s still on sale. With money. But the refund goes to my parents account, so they can use it and pay me. I wish i would have started this with wegg. It’s all cause the wegg sale ended like 4 hours before the Amazon one did 😔

[pallid orchid]

Why gen4?

[small carbon]

Ah, petty sure most gen 3 stuff won't be near a r/w of that Inland drive, and seemed like a good price at the time.

[kind sierra]

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20220124PD206.html
Let's go

[granite snow]

Nowadays how much storage is enough? I’m having second thoughts I have 1tb ssd, wondering if I should grab another one if I plan on using this computer for Atleast 5+ years

[sour wadi]

just add more it if you need more, its a very personal question too, 500gb is plenty for me tbh

[granite snow]

Ok I guess I’ll get it when I see I need it later on, but I have a m.2, I just think if windows and lots of things stored on it first it may slow the operating system down if I decide later on to move things over to the new drive? Because from what I remember hearing you keep one for windows and games and applications in another drive? Unless things has changed now lol

[sour wadi]

Nah no need for that and you wouldn't have to move to new ssd just add it in and use for storage

[arctic turret]

my upcoming nuc board comes with an msata slot, problem is that said format is more expensive than standard m.2

i'm sticking with a 2.5" ssd

[quiet gust]

Can someone explain me the difference between every type of m.2 SSD
Nvme, SATA, PCIe,...

[sour wadi]

Nvme is pcie, sata is sata, same protocol as 2.5" ssds and as hard drives

[bitter timber]

Why everytime I download something, my ssd just freezes my computer, like it makes it super slow, and locks my mouse in place like I'm pretty sure even hdd don't freeze the entire pc

[minor sun]

Are you sure it's SSD and not CPU that's slowing you down?

[bitter timber]

Maybe its my cpu

Idk

My cpu seems fine

Its a i7 10th gen F

Don't ask me for the numbers because I don't remember

When I get home I'll figure out my ssd brand

Cuz I feel like that's the issue

[minor sun]

Gotta know model over the name of the brand of the SSD

[bitter timber]

Yeah sorry that's what I meant

Can't rn tho but when I get home I'll figure it out

[quiet gust]

My pc also slows down while updating or downloading (example: warzone) it's 350mb/s write and should be 400mb/s read
And it takes about one minute to react to mouse click

Yes, I know I have an horrible SSD

[upper quiver]

ion think thats an ssd problem

[bitter timber]

I feel like it is tho, I have no other cpu issues

He could be having the same problem as me

[bitter timber]

its the adata su720 1 terabyte

Cpu is intel core i7-10700F

don't know what to say about this

[blazing musk]

That's a pretty standard sata drive

[bitter timber]

yeah i'm fine with the speeds

its just that annoying freezing

whenever i download stuff

[blazing musk]

What's your memory speed at currently? You can post a Screenshot of cpu-z tab showing speeds and latencies

[bitter timber]

oh i don't have cpu z hold on

so u want the stuff on which tab?

well i can tell you my memory speed is like

if ur talking about ram

its a 2933 mhz

[blazing musk]

I believe it's the second tab, memory

[blazing musk]

That's a really bad kit

No wonder your system hangs

[bitter timber]

oh well

can't get an upgrade any time soon

[blazing musk]

You can try to overclock it if you're on B560, Z590, or Z490 motherboard

[bitter timber]

pftttttttttttttttttttt

what about B460

M

[blazing musk]

Nope, intel has that one locked

[bitter timber]

Nice

I like my pc

at least it games fine

I just can't do anything while i download stuff which sucks

[blazing musk]

Yeah, seems like you'll just have to deal with it for a while. The fastest memory you can have on B460 is 3200.

[sour wadi]

2933* with a i7/i9

[bitter timber]

isn't this motherboard only 10th gen

yeah about to say

[sour wadi]

2666 with i5/i3

[bitter timber]

yeah but heres the thing

[blazing musk]

Is it? That's below jedec spec even

[bitter timber]

I had ddr3 memory

at 1600mhz

and my pc never hanged

when downloading

[sour wadi]

Yes that's why b560 was NEEEDED

[blazing musk]

The cpu couldn't process the data as fast as the new one can

[bitter timber]

well it was 2nd gen i7

and sata ssd

no issues downloading at all

was able to hop on a single player game no problem

but I could think about getting different ram since my pc literally defines it as unknown

i checked the stick and it didn't even have a brand on it

at the time i didn't bother looking for a model number either

[blazing musk]

Yay sketchy oem sticks

[bitter timber]

so yeah

thats my problem

i guess?

i'm slowed down by my ram ur saying?

wait a minute

cpu z is picking up a module manuf. and dram manuf.

idk if that says something

[blazing musk]

What that says is your sticks are hynix ones rated at 3000 speed

[bitter timber]

yeah thats what the stick said

3000

but thats all i saw

[blazing musk]

But since you're limited to 2933 it's reduced the speed while still using the timings from the 3000 profile

[bitter timber]

soooo is that good or bad

[blazing musk]

It made a bad kit worse that way lol

[bitter timber]

mm

and theres literally nothing i can do about it?

[blazing musk]

Short of changing the motherboard, not really

[bitter timber]

great

so all this is telling me

is that i need a motherboard upgrade

and a cpu upgrade

[blazing musk]

The cpu is fine

You can use 10th gen on B560

[bitter timber]

yeah but i thought i can't run at 3000 with this cpu

[blazing musk]

It's the mobo that's got the limit

The cpu itself can go faster

[bitter timber]

but i read the intel

website

[blazing musk]

That's just the base spec

You can use xmp to load faster profiles

[bitter timber]

like it doesn't say any higher

and i'm using xmp right now

to get it to 2933

[minor sun]

Technically 10900k max is also 2933, but people run even 5000 on z590 with 10900k just fine

[bitter timber]

i'm sorry what

since when could you bring up the speed of ur ram even if its not listed on the cpu page

and this cpu isn't overclockable

[minor sun]

If you want extreme, 6400 on a 10900k with z490
https://hwbot.org/submission/4454753_hicookie_memory_frequency_ddr4_sdram_3226.9_mhz

[bitter timber]

and ur telling me thats ddr4

[minor sun]

Yes

[sour wadi]

basically always, the listed speed just means it has to do the listed speed at jedec timings or its fualty

[minor sun]

Ddr5 records are 8000 iirc

[bitter timber]

bruh

[minor sun]

Ddr4 record is currently 7200

[bitter timber]

okay well i guess i'm locked down by my motherboard

[blazing musk]

8888

[bitter timber]

cuz you said

or someone said

[minor sun]

9500 on hwbot atm
https://hwbot.org/submission/4923652_lupin_no_musume_memory_frequency_ddr5_sdram_4779.7_mhz

[bitter timber]

my motherboard won't cut it

[minor sun]

I saw the 8888 bench in the news recently though

That was cool

[sour wadi]

8888 cl 88 88 88 iirc

[minor sun]

Ya

Lucky numbers

[sour wadi]

flat 88's

[minor sun]

And yea b460 chipset is holding you back from higher freq

[bitter timber]

nice

i can't upgrade at all

and if i'm gonna upgrade

i might as well just get other stuff too

like why just get a new motherboard, for one little issue

[minor sun]

Then might as well wait for now, 12th gen looks real good right now, who knows how good 13th gen will be

[bitter timber]

yeah i'll wait

got no money

and prices are so bad right now on some things

So i guess i solved all my pc problems

[minor sun]

Just saw this in my news feed after sending that link lmao
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/overclocker-closes-in-on-ddr5-10000-record

[bitter timber]

My dad needs to reapply the thermal paste for the cpu

and i just need to upgrade

[minor sun]

Thermal paste is cheap and simple

[bitter timber]

yeah it'll be fine

bad temps on cpu

sometimes 70s while gaming

kinda seems high

high 70s

so yeah thanks everyone for the help

[minor sun]

70s isn't bad tbh but anyways, you're welcome

[dense merlin]

especially with what ddr5 will be in 2 years

could have 8000c20 as mainstream for all we know

[bitter timber]

is that overclocked ram

cuz if so wouldn't u need someway to also keep it cool'

cuz i'm pretty sure ram can overheat

[minor sun]

Depends on die

B die is sensitive for OCs, keep it under like 50c to keep it stable, rev e doesn't care if it's 60c, it'll just keep going

That's just ddr4, but example

[bitter timber]

ive seen people with like

tiny fans

for the ram

[minor sun]

Tends to not matter unless you have a lot of ram running high freq

If you're trying to run 4x32 at 4000c16 or smth, you'll want to cool that

Or just b die OCing

[bitter timber]

more my dream ram

feel like i only want 32 gb

then just a good speed

is it better in quad channel?

Cuz i heard duel channel is fine

[dense merlin]

dual channel is better in a lot of cases i believe

[bitter timber]

I see

[minor sun]

Keep in mind, quad channel only on hedt platforms

For consumer platforms, 4 sticks is still running dual channel

[bitter timber]

o

[dense merlin]

confusion

[bitter timber]

well that sucks

i thought it runs in quad

[dense merlin]

oh btw, zentimings shows ram die right?

[minor sun]

If you're on threadripper, running 8 sticks is quad channel

Nah

[dense merlin]

like, micron samsung etc

[minor sun]

It can only guess afaik

[dense merlin]

pato somehow knew my hp ram was micron die from zentimings

[minor sun]

Like typhoon burner does

[dense merlin]

ill ask him

maybe it was typhoon

no nvm

[minor sun]

Nothing from the ram tells you actual die afaik, brand, maybe

[dense merlin]

i dont have that installed

[dense merlin]

i mean the manufacturer of the die

my laptop came with 1x8gb stick, want to just grab another one

[minor sun]

Dunno if it'll tell you manufacturer

[dense merlin]

alr, ty

[wind pollen]

I'm new to this server and to PC's, so i apologize if this sounds dumb; I've recently built my PC less than a month ago and I'm looking into upgrading my storage as I've already used up a terabyte.

is buying an HDD for extra storage specifically for stuff lile videos and pictures or is there a way to put games and stuff on an HDD and run it on an SSD? or is that not how it works and I'm better off just buying another SSD? because I've heard that load times are faster on an SSD, so like do you put the files on the HDD and load it through the SSD for gaming?

[signal garden]

no, they are separate. you can use an hdd to put games onto it but load times will perform how they will on that hdd. It's fine to put games on an hdd and play off of it depending on the titles you plan on playing, if its single player games, youll be fine for the most part but overall, yes an ssd would be better if you do want those faster load times

pricing of ssd's right now are pretty good and theres constant sales so theres really no harm in looking at those over an hdd

[sour wadi]

Just keep in mind hdd's/tb are roughly 4x more storage for the price

[obsidian walrus]

Hey all. What do you think would be faster for moving files around? A 5tb HDD in a usb 2.0 dock, Or a WD Elements 5tb portable hard drive connected usb 3.0 port

I think I know the answer. Just taking cost into consideration.

[obsidian walrus]

No question is dumb kyrex. Congrats on building your PC! Is it safe to say you currently have a 1 terrabyte HDD installed as your only storage right now?

Meaning windows and all your files and games are on one drive?

[wind pollen]

I currently have one M.2 SSD as my storage

[wind pollen]

ah, got it. so basically games that need the extra load times (like competitive games or other multi-player games) should be prioritized on the SSD while it's not really necessary for single player games?

[obsidian walrus]

Oh very nice! Nothing like an M.2 for size inside the case. You have some options. If Your motherboard has another M.2 slot you can get another drive and add Storage that way. It will be fast but more expensive. Second option would be 2.5 in SSD drive installed using a SATA cable. They have great speed compared to a full-size HDD but are still slower than the M.2, last option would be a HDD drive, bigger slower. But usually cheaper for more space

[latent schooner]

would the sn550 be the best ssd to get rn?

[wind pollen]

got it, thank you for clearing that up for me 🙂

[obsidian walrus]

The sn550 speeds are not bad. 2400 mbps read and 1750 for write for 500gb and higher. The 250 gb one write speed is only 950 Mbps

[obsidian walrus]

I’m looking at a Corsair MP600 and the WD SN 850 black. Those speeds are like 7000 mbps

[latent schooner]

but are they the cheap

[small carbon]

Pergaps skip sata unless the ssd is an insale deal, or until you run out of m.2 slots. For a while now I've seen most for similar prices to average m.2 nvme drives. Sata is of course fine for hdds because that's what they are usually.

[small carbon]

Not currently. For example, (USD price) sn550 or similar are sometimes $45ish 500gb or $90ish for TB while sn850 is $80+/$160ish, unless on sale.

[blazing musk]

What's going to work the best is shucking the drive and using it internally, but the usb 3.0 one is probably faster by a little bit. If it's a bunch of smaller files it won't matter, though.

[obsidian walrus]

Hey thanks! I’m in a smaller Dell prebuilt and the place where the factory HDD was, is now full of psu cables. lol external for me.

[plush crag]

A lot of those usb hard disks won't have a standard sata connector, many have the usb bus right on the drive itself.

[obsidian walrus]

Yep. The USB 3.0 micro B. Sometimes referred to as the super speed one.

[small carbon]

yep, usb 2.0 is quite a limiter (60MB/s), and that's just the theoretical max also afaik.

[sour wadi]

Usb 3.0

[rocky viper]

can you guys suggest me some device set ups for a photo editing PC

my friend only has about 5TB of storage 1 slow ssd and 4TB 5600rpm HDD but he's upgrading right now

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zGt9TW/msi-spatium-m470-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sm470n1tb

He's got this from a bundle but he needs obviously more storage a few more TB to be sure

pls tag if you can in your response

[sour wadi]

What type of storage and how much more do they want?

What kinda budget?

[rocky viper]

He wants about 30+ tb of storage so def HDDs

budget lets just shoot for high mid range

[sour wadi]

I'd probably go with this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9gDJ7P/toshiba-14-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-mg07aca14te

[rocky viper]

sorry for asking but, is there also an ssd that you would recommend? given that its probably half the storage and twice the cost

He's concerned about the load times of photos since yknow one pic is like 60 mb+ and theres hundreds

[sour wadi]

Ssds that would add up to 30tb? That's gonna cost a lot but sure

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7Qvqqs/samsung-870-qvo-8-tb-25-solid-state-drive-mz-77q8t0bam

You'd be looking at those

[blazing musk]

I personally think the ssd for photos is ridiculous. A hdd like pato linked could read 4 of those 60MB photos or more per second.

If it's for long term storage you'll want a raid array for redundancy to avoid corrupt files. Raid 5 minimum, 10 recommended.

[rocky viper]

thanks for the help, sorry I was a little busy and couldnt respond

I don't exactly know what he wants to do with it but knowing him he will probably just end up buying a few of the samsung SSDs because he says he's tired of waiting for pictures to load and whatvs

[raw wraith]

it might be off topic but i have a 250gb ssd as a 2nd drive for games but i calculated the size of the games and its 200 not 250 and yesterday it showed me it had alot of free space but today it shows i have 31mb left any solutions ?

[raw wraith]

nvm it fixed auto

[quiet gust]

What does each score mean?

(don't care about the 21mb/s)

[minor sun]

Holy that 9mb/s seq sucks

[minor sun]

Seq is sequencial read and write speeds, queue depth is basically how many things it's testing at once, threads is how many CPU threads. Rnd is random

Gonna guess your seq perf sucks because there's not much left empty in the drive

[quiet gust]

It has 100 free GB... I think..?

I did the test 2 times and it looked ok

[blazing musk]

Looks closer to 60 gb free

86% used

[sour wadi]

If you want to clear up some storage
Windows + R -> %temp% hit enter -> Cntrl + A -> Del -> Empty Recycle Bin

[olive wadi]

screw advertised metrics

[small carbon]

I guess under 20% free really effects sata ssds perhaps? Who knows. I'll retest after I put a 80GB game on my 250GB ssd in a minute.

[quiet gust]

I do it almost every month

[quiet gust]

On "this pc" I always saw 110GB free

[blazing musk]

Exactly. SSDs store things differently than traditional storage. They don't Defrag like HDDs do, when old data is trimmed out it's just left as available space. When the drive gets more full, suddenly your "sequential" write test is scouring random parts of the disk looking for space.

[small carbon]

Makes sense. I'm at 83% full now & will bench later. Definitely close to messing up my write speeds 😅

[torpid adder]

They don't defrag because they don't fragment ^^

Instead they trim/reallocate data because the NAND chips wear with writes, and it's better for them to spread out that wear

[untold heart]

I have a relatively heavy steam/epic/origin library and i play a couple of different 30+ GB games often, my current 1Tb HDD is in the red in windows and I'm not touching my boot ssd, would you reccomend me to get a new 2tb+ ssd or a 4tb hdd for half price? I've never gamed from ssd so loading speeds and such are a non issue for me

[pallid orchid]

id personally grab a 7200 rpm hard disk

[untold heart]

I'm looking for Seagate and WD drives and none of the higher capacities are 7200rpm

Or should i just bite it and get a 2tb 7200?

[pallid garden]

get a 500 gb ssd and a 4 tb hdd

the 500 gb ssd can hold the current game of the month and they are cheap

[untold heart]

I already have a boot ssd and I'm not gaming on that xD my boot times are already super fast and i don't want to destroy it

[sour wadi]

What country you in?

[pallid garden]

Personally, I have 2 2 tb ssd's as cache and 2 10 tb hdd's in a NAS

[untold heart]

Also i don't really like to delete my games as i play them over and over so it'd be holding that same game for more than a year replaying it

[pallid orchid]

look at toshiba drives

[pallid garden]

Best of both worlds but outside of budget for most people

[pallid orchid]

x300 s are very nais

I personally have a 500gb ssd for boot and 4 salvage hard drives for games and stuffs

[pallid garden]

moving back and forth between a 500 gb ssd and a hdd doesn't take that long

[untold heart]

MX but i also have a US pobox

[pallid orchid]

i spent all of 0$ on my 4tb of hard drive storage

[sour wadi]

Okay lemme have a look

[pallid garden]

dammnn

[untold heart]

Then I'd be buying a new ssd and a new hdd xD i don't have 400+ usd xD

[pallid garden]

look up shucking

new 500 gb ssd is like 70 ish and you can shuck a western digital external hdd for a bot over 200 when they are on sale

[untold heart]

But aren't external hdds even more expensive? Because casing and whatever? Or did they get cheaper in the last couple of years?

[pallid garden]

Weirdly enough sometimes they are cheaper look into it on reddit

it's strange

[sour wadi]

I'd probably go with this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VFvbt6/toshiba-6-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-mg04aca600e

[pallid garden]

oh wow

[pallid orchid]

toshiba is indeed cool

[sour wadi]

70? Noone should be spending that much on a 500gb ssd in 2022, save the money get a 45$ one or 1tb for 79¯_(ツ)_/¯

[untold heart]

That's cheap af, i found one on amazon mx for about 100 usd, how much is it on the us?Western Digital 4TB Elements Portable External Hard Drive - USB 3.0 - WDBU6Y0040BBK-WESN
Sadly i can't use the us amazon app on my phone

[pallid garden]

I'm still pretty new to PC stuff and sometimes with more money than sense (100% disabled veteran)

[sour wadi]

Idk but the one i linked was the cheapest fast hard drive so

[pallid garden]

For sure, 85 fore 6TB is pretty good

[untold heart]

Ah ok, then the "sale" is only for mx amazon xD thanks for the referral, I'll get it as soon as i can hahahaha

[sour wadi]

Np

[untold heart]

I'm currently using my old salvaged 1tb hdd from my deceased laptop xD

[sour wadi]

I mean things are just priced differently in different countries so makes sense

[untold heart]

I was deleting some games that I'd have to re-download because i know i will want to play them again hahaha

[plush crag]

Hard drives handle "deleted" data the same way ssd's do - the file system marks it as empty space and simply writes over it when needed. But I think I get what you're saying, when SSD's write to a block, they have to write the whole block or more, even if the data element is much smaller.

[red jay]

Try Amazon

[red jay]

I got a 1tb for 46.

[pallid orchid]

2nd hand or just cheap bad ssd

[red jay]

Um amazon brand new

[pallid orchid]

So bad ssd then?

[red jay]

And it's hdd

[pallid orchid]

So u reacted to a message which CLEARLY SAYS SSD with ehat u bought a hdd for

[red jay]

I have messed with a Chromebook to prefer a laptop that uses a real hdd

[pallid orchid]

M8 wot

[small steppe]

Bryn Miller#0065 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[pallid orchid]

Hard drive loses to ssd in every regard except price

[red jay]

Lol yeah whatever. It stores better and fragments data better. Least I also know how to find deals on eBay for a cheaper price that's not... Sh.. er crap.

[torpid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/change-of-face-raised-eyebrow-gif-23698487

[real lava]

SSDs doesn't get fragmented

What the heck are you talkin about

Also fragmentation is a bad thing

[pallid orchid]

the whole conversation was a

for me

[pallid orchid]

tbf it does

just doesnt matter because data is read and written differently

don have to spin up to the next part of the data

[real lava]

It does but an ssd reads and writes onto different blocks anyway

To prevent uneven nand wear

[pallid orchid]

yeh

trim

[torpid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/vineboom-ilybeeduo-gif-23126674

[small carbon]

LoFabio's interesting 500GB ssd, then my 250GB MX500 at 48% & 83% used space. For a couple days I've tried Apex on the ssd instead of hdd and haven't noticed much of an improvement so far, plus after a few hours of playing eventually my game gets stuck at 2-5fps until I restart it. 80GB Apex & 25GB Back 4 Blood are the only 2 games on my ssd, for now.

[olive wadi]

lol

are you dumb

[upper quiver]

prolly

pee pee poo poo man

[olive wadi]

Fragmentation is only an issue on hard drives to begin with

And when it comes to data retention both SSDs & HDDs experience bitrot in different ways

"Stores better"

[red jay]

you realize the one you question, could be your own self. But hey thanks for clarifying your objective. I have been researching both recently. Shrugs Bing works better than google by the way.

[olive wadi]

"I have been researching both recently"

I'm very eager to hear any advantages you think HDDs have lmao

besides being cheaper

[red jay]

I told it on up. I'm not in the mood of retyping. Js.

[olive wadi]

You didn't provide any actual reasons.

Data fragmentation is a complete non-issue on SSDs

It's a problem on HDDs

"Stores data better" Isn't a real reason either since they both suffer from bitrot but also both for different reasons.

[red jay]

I have no problem with data fragmentation on HDDs. I do on my daughter's SSD. So, you're confused.

[olive wadi]

Define data fragmentation

And please tell me how you know that the SSD is suffering from it

[red jay]

rolls eyes own both and then try. You can learn, plus REsearching how each stores the data, etc. as another said ^ up there. I don't have to repeat them. if you can't read.

[olive wadi]

I do know how each stores data

lmao

"Own both then try"

[small steppe]

Bryn Miller#0065 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[olive wadi]

[red jay]

Then how come others are saying the same things the ones above ^ are on facebook?

[olive wadi]

i must resist the urge to bring up how much storage i own

[red jay]

forgot the sh word can't be said.

You must resist? I'm curious.

[olive wadi]

I have around 400TB of HDD storage and around 20-ish TB in solid state storage

Data fragmentation causing worse performance is the consequence of a HDDs mechanical movement, seek time, & platter surface area, an SSD inherits none of these attributes

[red jay]

chuckles And yet you haven't looked up what pcmag, etc. says in using for data sorting, etc.? Haven't found that you run out of room quicker on your ssds than you do your hdds?

using the exact same files on both

[olive wadi]

"Data sorting" Are you talking about garbage collection?

[red jay]

what's garbage to you - is other people's treasures.

[olive wadi]

this is an epic troll

[red jay]

you clearly collect a lot of things with that much data.

[olive wadi]

claims that they researched SSDs

Doesn't know what terms like garbage collection are

[red jay]

Thank you for clarifying who you are.

[olive wadi]

[olive wadi]

Do you have any idea what garbage collection is with SSDs?

[olive wadi]

No, a gigabyte is a gigabyte loll

[blazing musk]

I'd advise that this get dropped before it escalates more. Clearly neither of you can convince the other of anything.

[red jay]

I said same files on both, installing games, etc. You claim garbage, not me.

[olive wadi]

Garbage collection is a term for an SSD background function lmao

[red jay]

thank you Fal. I've been hinting at it to be dropped and the other read the older chats.

[olive wadi]

It describes how the SSD deals with physical space used by deleted data, covers stuff like TRIM

that's what garbage collection is lol

[red jay]

yawns I'm done, if the other can't read older conversations besides mine and wants to troll with useless buffer.

[olive wadi]

A gigabyte is a gigabyte

[olive wadi]

you haven't said a single correct thing in previous conversations about how either of these storage mediums work

[red jay]

And you haven't read the conversations from before mine either, troll more please.

[red jay]

Why can't the block work properly?

[blazing musk]

What do you mean?

[red jay]

On other sites, when one is blocked. neither can respond to each other. Except admins still get to see everything. It's same here in pms, but that's it.

[blazing musk]

Idk could be a discord bug

[red jay]

I've reported to them many times with no response. 😦

[olive wadi]

My SSDs would fill up quicker because I have 400TB in HDDs and 20TB in SSDs

[minor sun]

I mean, afaik that's how discord was designed to work, if you block someone, they can't dm you, but they can still respond to you in public chats, you just see messages under "blocked messages"

@olive wadi seen any new info on the Hynix p41? I'm just waiting for Hynix 176l to obliterate everything else

[olive wadi]

no im not on the inside

[minor sun]

Just in case newmaxx was talking about the 176l hynix nand somewhere

[olive wadi]

ive been out of the loop lately

ive been busy driving planes

[minor sun]

Literally?

[olive wadi]

yes

[minor sun]

Nice

How is the job?

[olive wadi]

what job

im trying to get my night rating so i can actually get my commercial signed off lol

anyways its all very boring stuff

whats less boring is the schizophrenic ramblings of this bryn miller person

it's truly some top kek

[minor sun]

Oh, getting your hours in?

[olive wadi]

you require night rating for commercial pilot license or you get gimped one i do not have a night rating so i am getting night rating

literally done everything else

[minor sun]

Interesting

[olive wadi]

muh ssd fragmentation

hdds handle fragmentation better

[minor sun]

But well, that previous convo was... Interesting ig

[olive wadi]

not sure if elaborate troll or someones hitting the sauce too much

poes law really do be like that sometimes

[minor sun]

I don't know, they might've just misunderstood

[pallid orchid]

he is questioning you actually and he cant be you since ur you lol also bing loses to google any day of the week

[pallid orchid]

LMAO

i had the .... privilege ... of talking to em too once

they got confused between ssd and hdd

chrome os worse than windows so all hardware in a chromebook worse

yes

[sour wadi]

ANY WHAT OF THE WEEK?!?

[pallid orchid]

day

day

i typed day

[sour wadi]

Are you sure

[pallid orchid]

yes

[sour wadi]

Sus

[blazing musk]

DuckDuckGo OP

Google does filter and sort results according to "relevancy", that's well documented.

[blazing musk]

There was a scary point where a friend and I IRL were talking face to face, and a brand of slot machine came up in the conversation. ONE HOUR LATER I got flooded with ads for that company that I'd never heard of and never searched for it or any competition before. The ONLY way they could have gotten that information was through selling my voice data.

[olive wadi]

Implying I'm citing google and not my folder of jedec documents & flash research papers

either way thinking that HDDs handle fragmentation better than an SSD is the best kekery ive read all week

And I accused you of trolling, not myself

[olive wadi]

you need to taily drive tails OS+tor browser

[blazing musk]

If only that was an option for my phone

[olive wadi]

[blazing musk]

I guess I could technically get a pixel phone and install kali

[olive wadi]

this interaction has inspired me to expand my ssd guide into the inner workings of flash

[pallid orchid]

Ok whose telling this dude that opera isnt a search engine

[pallid orchid]

oh did he gte banned

pogger

[blazing musk]

Yeah that was the final nail in that coffin

[real lava]

lolol

that dude is suffering schizophrenia or something for sure

[blazing musk]

Could have been many things but they're gone now, no place for that nonsense here.

[real lava]

ya

[winter sparrow]

so i have a b450 MB, a mx500 sata m.2 and it doesnt get recognized in m.2-2 as windows tries doing the diagnose and repair but this sata m.2 works in m.2-1. I just got a teamgroup NVME mp33 Gen3 x 4 and I put it in my m.2-2 and my bios sees it but windows does not. I read that someone said it would work if I switched them but I got the windows trying to diagnose and repair again. So I put them back to how they were originally, what do I do?

[pallid orchid]

windows doesnt see it because you need to initialise it

keep it in m.2-2

[winter sparrow]

how do?

[pallid orchid]

right click the windows button on ur taskbar

click disk management

send screenshot

[pallid orchid]

there u go

hit ok

[winter sparrow]

Then what

[pallid orchid]

ion rember all the prompts off the top of my head

it should hgive options and instructions on the screen

choose ntfs

btw are there 2 windows os drives in there

like 2 drives with windows

[winter sparrow]

Uhhhh, it still says disk 2 is unallocated

[pallid orchid]

screenshot

[blazing musk]

Right click the unallocated space and create a partition

[pallid orchid]

yeh

shoulda happened when u initialised

[pallid orchid]

since it does ask u what u want to set up on it

[pallid orchid]

right click the black bar and hit create partition

[winter sparrow]

That's not an option

[pallid orchid]

what now

send screenshot

new simple volume

[blazing musk]

You can just leave everything at defaults and hit next through the prompts

[pallid orchid]

i always forget that disk management calls it that

just call it a partition bro

[blazing musk]

It'll automatically use all the space and format to NTFS

[winter sparrow]

Just keep hitting next?

[pallid orchid]

yes

[blazing musk]

You can change the label if you want but yeah

[pallid orchid]

next or ok

basivally answer in the positive

[winter sparrow]

So it says new volume, blue bar, 1 tb basically. Is it all good to go and use?

[blazing musk]

Yep

[pallid orchid]

yeh

should show up in exploerre

[olive wadi]

what what was the last thing they sent

am curious

[pallid orchid]

exploerer

explorer

[blazing musk]

I'll dm it to you

[winter sparrow]

awesome awesome, i appreciate the help fellas

https://tenor.com/view/atsuko-kagari-akko-little-witch-academia-akko-de10-gif-24344309

[pallid orchid]

np glad to help

[winter sparrow]

one question, with the limits of those m.2 slots. is the sata m.2 or the nvme m.2 faster even though the nvme is limited in the m.2-2 spot?

[blazing musk]

nvme will always be faster

[winter sparrow]

even though its limited in ability in that slot?

[blazing musk]

Even if it's limited to PCI-e 3.0 x1, that's 8Gb speed

Sata 3 is 6Gb

[pallid orchid]

m.2 is a slot

thats all it is

sata vs nvme is the real difference

and nvme is a lot faster than sata

[winter sparrow]

I know that, but the limits of the m.2 slots of the MB itself is what made me wonder. I appreciate the info

[blazing musk]

Chances are what they mean by "limited" on the second slot is that it's "only" gen 3 speed instead of gen 4, but that has no real world impact

[winter sparrow]

steam isnt seeing the new drive 😦

[pallid orchid]

need to add a library folder to it via steam

then u can put games there

[winter sparrow]

how do

[pallid orchid]

steam->settings->downloads

steam library folders

and then click the plus button on the screen that comes up

select ur drive

and ur off to the races

[winter sparrow]

says it already has one but I cant transfer files

I found a loop, just fresh install to the drive and it seemed to figure it out. can transfer now

[latent anvil]

quick question, will ssds be able to read data from an hdd? i'm planning on buying an ssd for my computer, and i wasnt sure if i would have to transfer all my files over to the ssd or not

[minor sun]

You will be able to

[latent anvil]

okay, so ssds can access files stored on an hdd?

[blissful night]

You can transfer files from your HDD to a SDD and vice versa, if that is what you are asking

[latent anvil]

yeah, but if i were to leave all my files on an hdd, would my ssd be able to access said files, if they are not stored on the ssd?

[minor sun]

Yes

[latent anvil]

okay, thanks!

[minor sun]

Basically, HDD will read it, and tell the SSD the information, and then the SSD will write it down