storage-devices

[sour wadi]

For what use ?

At least only 64gb and super fast?

[manic dagger]

writing 1 million permutations calculated from my cpu for data science

[sour wadi]

Ohh

Uhh

Lemme see

Most s tier drives start at 1tb btw

[minor sun]

I mean

[manic dagger]

Yeah but I dont need it, I only have 48gb ram so thats the max amount I can use for the work

[minor sun]

If you want the fastest, optane.

[manic dagger]

https://www.newegg.com/p/1B0-0042-000P5?Description=optane&cm_re=optane-_-1B0-0042-000P5-_-Product ?

[minor sun]

I was talking like optane 905p

I think that starts at 1tb though

[manic dagger]

ok by no budget I mean like $500

[minor sun]

Thought it was around 500$ for 1tb

Might be wrong though

[minor sun]

In looking for a different option, would this be constantly writing a large amount of data or in bursts? And can you estimate how much data you'll write at a time?

[manic dagger]

im honestly not sure

[minor sun]

I'll just tell you the reason for the question then, in terms of normal drives with nand flash, assuming 3dxpoint drives are outside of budget.
If you want to just write some, say 20gb, but extremely quickly, a very fast PCIe 4.0 drive could do that, but won't have a big enough SLC cache if you wanted to do that but with 200gb, and would them fall behind in speed. If you were writing a lot of data like that, something like a 970evo plus that can maintain the speeds because native MLC, but if you just wanted to write random small amounts of data over and over, you'll want something with better random performance like a P31

[manic dagger]

max size would be 48gb

[minor sun]

One 48gb file or will you only write 48gb total

[manic dagger]

one file

[minor sun]

Still not completely sure but start by looking at MP600 Pro XT @manic dagger

Chart on sustained perf in terms of how quickly it can sustain write perf if you throw a lot at it at the same time

[manic dagger]

thx

[minor sun]

Afaik mp600 pro XT is the fastest NVMe drive in terms of max seq

[olive wadi]

rest in pieces

p34a80 big controller swap

variant spotted with diaper maxio controller

day ruined

[sour wadi]

Noooooooooooo

It was so good at 95

[short lodge]

I have this 3TB hard drive in a computer and it’s doing this. Any way to make this one volume? It won’t let me format the 746gb

[minor sun]

@short lodge expand the D: volume

[short lodge]

Doesn’t let me

[pallid orchid]

Use 3rd party program

I use minitool partition wizard

Its good enough

@short lodge

[short lodge]

I need to convert MBR to GPT I just realized. It won’t work on command prompt for some reason and mini tool needs me to upgrade for that feature.

[pallid orchid]

I would macrium reflect that drive, wipe to gpt and copy over data

[blazing musk]

Diskpart convert gpt fails?
If so you need to repair the drive or wipe it with the clean command

[short lodge]

Yeah like 50mb of it is system reserved and that’s the stuff I can’t wipe

Format*

[blazing musk]

Oh yeah I see that now. That reserved space is usually the boot loader...

So wiping is still an option but you'll need to rebuild your boot

[astral fox]

Hello everyone 👋

[blazing musk]

Hello
To answer your question from #peripherals-and-displays either of those drives will work, but I'd recommend a P31 Gold. Usually one of the top performers in the price range.
There's a tier list in the pins too.

[trim cloak]

no

in read or write, no lol

[minor sun]

Highest rated max seq, yes afaik

[trim cloak]

nope lol

i think the newest one that beats it (not the first tho) is the a440 pro

and is beat by many others in read or write

[minor sun]

seems so

the race for the last 100mb/s to put in marketing is on

[kind sierra]

Yup, they're quickly approaching the maximum theoretically possible bandwidth

[granite snow]

do we need to pay particular attention to any SSD's or any PCIE SSD's nowadays is good enough for gaming and the difference is just the amount of storage space?

[minor sun]

Simple answer to compare drives is use
https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

[sour wadi]

All ssds do is effect loading time(as of now anyway, direct storage may change that)

[trim cloak]

fps tho😎

[sour wadi]

Not atm anyway

[olive wadi]

lol ig people only game

[pallid orchid]

Change ur nick to pee pee poo poo man windshields

[floral sun]

I can use some help, So I'm trying to install a new nvme ssd into another slot but I stripped one of the screws and the other one isn't that bad but it's getting there, before I have even messed with these screws they were already very screwed tightly in upon getting the motherboard, is there anything I can buy to help get the screws out?

[jaunty valley]

I need help looking for an SSD for gaming. Right now I have a 1tb mp33 pro because the price was decent but are there better SSDs for gaming around 100-150 dollars?

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-1tb-mp33-pro/p/N82E16820331563

[sour wadi]

Never said that lol

[sour wadi]

Sk hynix P31 gold

[blazing musk]

You probably want "screw grab" or similar products. Extractors are out of the question, drills and motherboards don't get along.

[outer bane]

@floral sun shove a rubberband on top of the screw head and apply pressure with the screw driver and slowly turn it out

[jaunty valley]

got any youtube comparison videos then?

[sour wadi]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sk-hynix-gold-p31-m2-nvme-ssd-review

[real lava]

why do you need youtube

when the review literally has a graph

and that shows it beating out 970 evo plus

not even the normal evo

[jaunty valley]

I literally can't find anything about it

[sour wadi]

I just linked a toms hardware article

[real lava]

just don't insist on yt

toms hw is good source of ssd reviews

[sour wadi]

Toms hardware good

They just don't do yt

[minor sun]

no one that I know of does ssd reviews on youtube

there's just no real reason, it'll just be a few charts

[jaunty valley]

it's not sold by newegg so if I want a RMA I'll probably be screwed

[real lava]

uh

amazon has good returns policy

you won't be screwed

[jaunty valley]

if it's so good why is there almost nothing about it though

[sour wadi]

I just linked a toms hardware article lmao?

Not like it's some unknown source

Amazon have very good returns policy so

[jaunty valley]

how is it on heat though because I didn't get the WD for that reason alone and what PCIe is it

[real lava]

the ssd is just less known

samsung is of course way more known

the p31 gold is pcie 3.0 but it shouldn't matter

and this one doesn't overheat

[outer bane]

the Sk hynix is a great drive

[jaunty valley]

you know your name is goblin spelled backwards

[outer bane]

☺️

[sour wadi]

Very low heat and good efficiency

[jaunty valley]

how do I instal windows 10 on it from scratch because i'm reading there is issues about it

[sour wadi]

Nope

Just windows media creation tool

[jaunty valley]

so I can't install windows 10?

[outer bane]

there are issues with getting pretty much all nvme ssds to show up without a little tweaking not specific to hynix's and of course you can install windows 10 on it

[sour wadi]

I've never had an issue

[sour wadi]

Was saying nope to issues

[pallid orchid]

I have never ever had this

Or even heard of this

In recent times

Used to happen a few years back iirc

But not really an issue anymore

[outer bane]

yeah I am speaking of past exp

but so are the forums he is most likely reading about hynix

and some m.2 slots still need to be enabled in bios

[jaunty valley]

I don't know I just find it bizarre a brand no one heard of is better than name brand right now

[dense merlin]

I didn't have any issues when I put a 660p in my system

[outer bane]

lol but we've all heard of it

[real lava]

sk hynix is actually big

[dense merlin]

Sk hynix is pog

I bought an ssd for my SO

[real lava]

they make nand that others uses in their drives

or even vram for gpus

[dense merlin]

I can never remember the model, I think something gold 31

[real lava]

heck they even make ram

[dense merlin]

Sata version

[real lava]

people just apparently knows about it not too commonly

when they're pretty big

[dense merlin]

To be fair

I didn't know intel and windows were by separate companies until like two years ago

[real lava]

sk hynix is basically in the background to many people

unaware of their existence

[dense merlin]

Miners love hynix vram vega 64s and 1660 supers/tis

[jaunty valley]

im not mining I'm just playing games

[dense merlin]

I know

Just saying something

Hynix ssds are good

I bought one for my SO

Windows loads in >10 seconds, games launch about that speed too or less

Mostly minecraft tbf

But its a sata ssd not nvme

[real lava]

Even with just sata it's still so good

Cause random matters the most

[sour wadi]

and sk hynix has been around for years they just don't market as hard as samsung

[sour wadi]

The sata one is s31

[dense merlin]

Probably that then

[sour wadi]

@jaunty valley sure there's about a 1/3 chance your ram is using sk hynix chips

[pallid orchid]

Gpu vram too

[sour wadi]

Yep

About 1/2 chance on vram

[pallid orchid]

Yep

Samsung and hynix the 2 biggest ones

For vram

[olive wadi]

source: i made it up

[olive wadi]

there are tons of review articles on the p31 gold lmao

real diaper brain hours

no competent ssd reviewers on youtube

[olive wadi]

"brand no one has heard of"

literally the second biggest memory manufacture in the world

bruh

[pallid orchid]

Who u?

I only know pee pee poo poo man

Idk who windshields is

[olive wadi]

lolololololololol

[kind sierra]

Literally one of the best gen 3 SSDs out there

Can't find any info and no one has ever heard of it, can you even install windows?

[minor sun]

Just to throw some examples around
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232861
This uses Hynix CJR ^
https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-tuf-rtx3060ti-o8g-v2-gaming/p/N82E16814126520
Some 3060ti models use Hynix vram as an example^

They're just the OEM, they don't put their brand name on the product

[pallid orchid]

The chance that you have something made by hynix in ur pc is VERY high

[minor sun]

Hynix makes a lot of memory

[kind sierra]

Here's an idea, if you want a well known name how about a Texas instruments SSD?

[pallid orchid]

Even better

Gigabyte PSU

[kind sierra]

Intel motherboard

[minor sun]

Even better, Texas instruments VRM

because they actually make some good mosfets

[pallid orchid]

NVIDIA South bridges

[minor sun]

Dark Hero uses Texas Instruments mosfets

but no one really expects TI to be in a motherboard VRM

nor people expect TI in dark hero vrms

[kind sierra]

TI has some good power supply stuff

[minor sun]

yet the mosfets are actually really good

Oh yea

All the PSU OEMs like CWT or great wall or FSP

[kind sierra]

They aren't much for small process nodes, but if you need something chonky they usually have you covered

[floral sun]

I did order exactly that, reviews were saying it's been working. Would I apply it on the screw driver itself or the screw? I ask this cause the screws themselves are tiny and it could be dangerous to the motherboard itself

[floral sun]

Sadly I've tried that and it doesn't seem like it's been working for me, it either won't budge, or I just poke a hole in the band itself

[outer bane]

@floral sun you could try some tougher rubber I mean that screw shouldnt be locked in there very tight

there is no way you need to drill it or anything crazy last resort you may need to get some needle nose pliers on it

[floral sun]

Don't know why it's so tight either, like I said, it came like that, I never had a need to touch the other m.2 mounts till I ordered a new m.2 and it's been 2 months since I've had it just lying here being useless

[outer bane]

also is it cold where you are you could try setting it in the garage or outside in a box for an hour or 2 so that everything contracts and then try

[floral sun]

I did get a suggestion in another discord I asked earlier to try compressed air on the screw to get it cold and then try?

[outer bane]

yeah same idea

@floral sun is it an Asus board?

[floral sun]

Gigabyte B550 Aorus M

[outer bane]

can pliers grab it

[minor sun]

b450 aorus m?

[outer bane]

550

[minor sun]

(Can't find a b550 aorus m)

[floral sun]

Aorus Master

[outer bane]

oh maybe he meant 450

[floral sun]

Feel like I wouldn't be able to grab the screw with pliers it's pretty small

[sour wadi]

Probably b550m aorus?

Ahh nvm aorus master

[minor sun]

B550 aorus master it seems

[floral sun]

Yeah that's it

[sour wadi]

Nice board

[minor sun]

These things

[floral sun]

Yeah

[outer bane]

which one is it

[floral sun]

The 2nd one, the screw you see on that image doesn't unscrew

Sorry

The 3rd one doesn't

[minor sun]

also, btw, did you have the correct screw bit for the screw or do you have a bigger bit?

[outer bane]

oh at least thats not the actual m.2 you can just cut that with a dremel its just for the heatsink isn't it?

[floral sun]

The 2nd one does, but the m.2 mounting one doesn't and is the one that's pretty stripped

The nvme I have is a smaller size so it fits at the half way mark

I can't get the screw that actually screws the m.2 in place on the second slot

[outer bane]

did the motherboard come with extra screws? if its shorter can you just leave the screw or is there a m.2 drive there you want to replace

[minor sun]

The heatsink is prob made long enough for 22110 drives, so you could go for a destructive method of entry and just break the end of the heatsink

But not advised

[floral sun]

The only one that's in use currently is the very top

And no it didn't come with any spare screws

[outer bane]

can we see a pic I'm just not exactly sure which screws we are talking about heatsink / m.2

[minor sun]

Doesn't have role for pics yet, you can probably just DM the image

[outer bane]

yeah dm to one of us and we can post if possible to take a pic

[floral sun]

Won't be able to, the camera on my phone doesn't focus

[outer bane]

no problem

[floral sun]

Best I can do is a MS paint 💀

[outer bane]

so do you have the 2nd m.2 heatsink off or no?

[floral sun]

Yes the 2nd one I'm able to unscrew, and slide off

[outer bane]

and then is it empty as in no drive there?

[floral sun]

Empty

[outer bane]

and the screw in the 2nd m.2 slot where the heatsink has been slid off is stuck?

[floral sun]

Yeah

[outer bane]

ok I can picture it now

[floral sun]

Except that's the one that's been pretty stripped I might not be able to use that unless I get a bigger sized nvme to mount along with the heatsink on that picture

[outer bane]

so that is stuck

[floral sun]

The next one over

[outer bane]

its in the 80 but stuck ok

pliers?

can use rubber band with pliers too wrap around screw grip with pliers

dont hurt mobo with pliers be careful

[floral sun]

Any specific kind that works best with these types of screws?

[outer bane]

well they make screw removal pliers that would be best but anything similar that can grip the head of the screw should be fine

something like this should be fine

[floral sun]

Alright I'll have to try it next time I feel like taking on another attempt cause if I do try soon I actually might explode

But thanks so much for the info

[kind sierra]

Seagate announced their NVMe HDDs!

https://searchstorage.techtarget.com/news/252509448/Seagate-debuts-NVMe-HDD-technology-at-OCP

[sour wadi]

But why

[kind sierra]

Because sata honestly kinda sucks

It's mostly data center stuff

[minor sun]

It's just putting a normal HDD on NVMe

No multi-actuator tech yet

[deep roost]

@sour wadi im pinging you here for topic formality, nvme and both of my hdd are clear in chkdsk

[sour wadi]

Sata cheaper and can a hdd drive even hit close to sata cap?

Hmm I'm not sure

[kind sierra]

Sata isn't really that much cheaper, and yeah enterprise can be bottlenecked by sata sometimes

[sour wadi]

Fair

I thought it was still good bit cheaper

[kind sierra]

eh

[turbid torrent]

my 1TB hard drive is hitting over 200MB/s. That's quite impressive

[pallid orchid]

Read speed

Thats nothing extraordinary

My 5400 rpm hdd does that much

Sequential

[deep roost]

Can someone help me? don't know how to read this kind kind of stuff, Thank you!

[pallid orchid]

Looks normal

[deep roost]

Thanks! it seems that my storage drives aren't the problems to my bsods

[pallid orchid]

There still could be corrupt files

Just hardware wise drives look fine

[deep roost]

I've already done countless rer-install windows, and i'm still getting bsod? do you have any tips? after I install, i one by one doing the drivers so that no overlapping occurs

[sour wadi]

Remove all other drives when doing the install and format the drive before reinstalling windows, make a backup of your files

[deep roost]

Already done this though

[sour wadi]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep roost]

[pallid orchid]

Like dont plug all the other drives back in for a few days and test

Dont plug em back in after windows is reinstalled

[deep roost]

I only plug mouse n keyboard

[pallid orchid]

For a few days?

[deep roost]

few hours...

[pallid orchid]

Yeah

Try it for a day or 2

See if crashes continue

Keep the drives outta the pc

And reinstall

[deep roost]

well that's too long, if I will have the time then I will try it

[pallid orchid]

Then deal with the crashes ig

Really cant tell ya what else to do

Except that it could be ur keyboard or mouse too

I have personally had a keyboard short to usb and kill windows

[deep roost]

Well that's scary

I'm gonna do it now just in case it will solve my problem

[pallid orchid]

U will have to reinstall windows

[deep roost]

Yep yep, don't have important files either so yeah will do it

[pallid orchid]

Oh btw if it a keyboard or mouse gone bad you gotta replace

Keeping it plugged in gonna cause issues again

Or using it on fresh install

[deep roost]

Mouse is a Razer basilisk Ultimate and keeb is a customizemech board, ill find a way to install, thanks for the advice tho

[pallid orchid]

Models dont matter

Problems can occur to any mouse or keeb out there

[deep roost]

Yep, they said that Razer synapse is a problematic driver tho

so im not gonna use that for a mean time

[real lava]

razer software sucks so bad

it's why i avoid razer stuff

[sour wadi]

I think synapse is pretty decent tbh

[karmic rock]

I need a good NVMe ssd 512GB for my friends laptop

Any suggestions?

Preferably this would be a cheaper ssd

[karmic rock]

@sour wadi

[sour wadi]

What laptop? Need to know the ssd size

[karmic rock]

https://www.costco.com/hp-15.6-touchscreen-laptop-11th-gen-intel-core-i5-1135g7-windows-11.product.100795021.html

this trashy thing

or is there even an NVMe slot?

it's hard to tell on this website

model code is 15-dw3035cl

[sour wadi]

Lemme see

It takes a regular size m.2 pog

@karmic rock https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ffpzK8/klevv-cras-c710-512-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-k512gm2sp0-c71

[karmic rock]

thanks

[kind sierra]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17068/kioxia-updates-m2-2230-ssd-lineup-with-bg5-series-adding-pcie-40-and-bics5-nand
New m.2 2230 options coming out around the same time as the steamdeck

[sour wadi]

Cool

[red jay]

How is WD black NVMe

[sour wadi]

Which one?

But meh priced

[red jay]

5gb

500*

I want to get Samsung bit it's so expensive

[minor sun]

mp33 been pretty cheap if you just want a cheap boot drive

[olive wadi]

why would you want a smegmasmung product

[red jay]

Because their products are good

I like their stuff

[olive wadi]

do you have any evidence to support this statement

[olive wadi]

why

why would you prefer inferior 128 layer samsung flash to superior imft 176 layer flash

[red jay]

I don't understand what that means but I have used their products before and have been pleased with their quality and how long they last

[minor sun]

micron 176l more fun

[red jay]

✨ preference✨

[minor sun]

Oh we're talking about performance

not preference

[olive wadi]

talking about objective things

not subjective things

ssds do not care about your feelings

facts and logics gate ™️

[minor sun]

for example

mp600 pro xt can be fun

176l micron nand being neat

anyways brand loyalty is bad, chase the performance numbers, not the brand :p

[red jay]

Dude I store games. How much of a difference can those numbers name with loading times?

[olive wadi]

nothing at all which is why you shouldn't overpay for overpriced smegsmug products

[minor sun]

I mean, even for that, I got just the chart for you xD

of course it doesn't actually matter much

but samsung as a brand is not best

[red jay]

1 second. I like their stuff because I have always had great experiences with their service and their stuff lasts a long time

Not saying i don't agree that there are better options

But I find their stuff has been pretty reliable for me

[minor sun]

980 pro 2tb is rated for 1200tbw, mp600 pro xt 2tb is rated for 1400tbw

It's just a good idea to not rely on a single brand

Doesn't matter if you still choose to buy Samsung now, as long as you know there are superior products that can be at cheaper prices

[trim cloak]

add more layers then…stop complaining 🥱

[minor sun]

gib 256l

[cosmic rivet]

Do all hard drive brands print the Manufacture dates on their hard drives, or is it a thing with certain brands like Hitachi

[blazing musk]

All of them should do it

Some of them are coded though

[cosmic rivet]

IK Hitachi does as I have some HDDs that I ripped out of Cruddy old laptops that I was tearing apart

[turbid torrent]

Samsung's customer service is always great. I've bought a few broken SSDs on eBay and Samsung still replaced the drives for me LOL

Easy profits

Sometimes it's more for the experience too

[red jay]

^

[outer bane]

I have also had great results with samsungs customer service. I feel like I have to say this since they have replaced so many things outside of warranty and often times my own fault for me

[long wing]

are there good 3-4 tb ext. hardrives for $100 or under?

[kind sierra]

Internal definitely, would have to look for external ones. You looking at making a backup drive?

[iron zodiac]

Say, if anyone is around, what is the consensus on 2 TB NVMe SSD drives? Which would be a better buy, the WD Black SN850 2 TB, or the Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB?

Tom's Hardware ranked the WD Black above the Samsung, but they warned about the excessive heat it makes. What do you folks think?

[wispy jewel]

Got a new ssd just for my windows install. Should i remove windows from my current ssd then install my new ssd then install windows on there. Or install the new ssd, remove windows from the old ssd, then install it on the new one

[iron zodiac]

@wispy jewel Have you got an external backup drive that you can mirror your currently installed ssd onto?

I've been through this procedure before - upgraded from a 1 TB to a 2 TB. I can tell you what I did.

[wispy jewel]

Are you saying i basically have to wipe my currently installed ssd?

[iron zodiac]

No!

[wispy jewel]

Yea well i dont have an external backup drive. Im forgot to mention im keeping both ssd’s in the system

[iron zodiac]

What I did is I copied my old SSD to an external backup drive using a "mirror" utility.

[wispy jewel]

I just want to move over the windows installation

[iron zodiac]

Oh.

[wispy jewel]

Yea the one i have installed in my system got messed up when i moved over from intel to amd

[iron zodiac]

Yeah, that'll do it.

I've always used a mirror backup to move things to a new drive, so I've never really thought about the procedure involved without an external drive.

If it were me, I'd probably put in the new blank drive, install Windows on it, and then put in the old drive and copy your files over from it as best as you can.

Your mileage may vary.

I am not a lawyer.

😛

One of the Techies might have a better solution for you.

[wispy jewel]

Yea, the only familiar way im use to removing windows is when its after both drives are installed but im not sure if that will negatively affecting anything considering the last time i did this was on a dual core laptop

[iron zodiac]

You shouldn't need to remove Windows.

[real lava]

I would go neither, cause there's better value stuff around

Like sk hynix p31 gold

[iron zodiac]

@real lava How's its performance? I'm putting together a Music Production machine, so I need the absolute fastest disk performance I can get.

@real lava Oh, I'm reading the Tom's Hardware review of the p31 gold, and I can't use it - it's PCIe 3.0. I'm going to be running PCIe 4.0.

[blazing musk]

It's backwards compatible

[iron zodiac]

@blazing musk I know.

[blazing musk]

But does your use case need more sequential speeds, mixed IO, or random?

[iron zodiac]

I'm not 100% sure - quite possibly mixed I/O. Music Production is a strange bird.

[real lava]

Oh, in your case the p31 gold is still nice

[blazing musk]

Ok, what program primarily? I'll look it up to be sure

[iron zodiac]

@blazing musk I'm going to be using Cakewalk by Bandlab, with about 1700 VST plugins. Literally.

[blazing musk]

The P31 gold foxy is talking about is as good or better at random iops as most gen 4 drives

[iron zodiac]

Not all 1700 at once, of course.

[blazing musk]

Wow, I'll look into it

[iron zodiac]

I'll be doing some audio recording, some audio playback, and using some virtual instruments.

I'll also be using a program by Steinberg called Wavelab Pro.

[blazing musk]

Not a lot of info to go off of, there's tons of people just using hard drives still with those apps lol.
From the sound of things you're probably right and mixed IO is the primary use

[iron zodiac]

I've gone with the Tom's Hardware reviews, and the WD comes out on top, but it runs so hot that it worries me.

I currently have the 980 Pro on my PCPartPicker list, though. Wondering if it's the best choice.

[blazing musk]

Yeah Gen 4 at sustained usage you usually want a heatsink on it

[iron zodiac]

I'm planning on getting an MSI motherboard with M.2 heatsinks built onto the board.

[blazing musk]

That'll be perfect then

[iron zodiac]

For which, though? The WD or the 980?

[blazing musk]

Both. The built in heatsink is a good solution to the new, hot drives

[iron zodiac]

So you don't have a preference?

[blazing musk]

Still comparing, hang on

Seagate Firecuda 530, it's faster than both of the others in almost every way. Higher sequential and random

@iron zodiac https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wXJgXL/seagate-firecuda-530-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-zp2000gm3a013

And since you mentioned Tom's reviews

[iron zodiac]

Can you give me a link to Tom's tests on the FireCuda, please?

[blazing musk]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seagate-firecuda-530-m2-nvme-ssd-review/2

[iron zodiac]

Thank you for doing the comparison!

[blazing musk]

Oops page 3 is the 2TB model, not page 2

[iron zodiac]

Caught it - thanks.

It's a tad bit pricey, compared to the WD especially,

The WD is on sale at historic lows right now.

But, I need the performance.

[blazing musk]

Yeah, it'll be a choice between a little bit faster storage or your wallet

[iron zodiac]

I made that choice last night when it came to the 14-14-14 3200 RAM, didn't I? 😉

[blazing musk]

Fair enough

[iron zodiac]

Oops, night before last.

I think.

I've got a big decision to make. Thanks again for your help!

[blazing musk]

It was yesterday #building-and-recc-chat message

Happy to help as always

[iron zodiac]

Much obliged. See you later!

[iron zodiac]

I was in here overnight talking to @blazing musk about PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs. They recommended the Seagate FireCuda 530 2TB model. I'm back here again because I think I may have found something faster and wanted to get a Techie's opinion on it.

[minor sun]

What is it?

[iron zodiac]

It's the Kingston KC3000 2TB model. Finding a Newegg link to it now.

https://www.newegg.com/kingston-2048gb-kc3000/p/N82E16820242660?Description=kingston kc3000&cm_re=kingston_kc3000-_-20-242-660-_-Product&quicklink=true

[minor sun]

You're looking for sustained writes, correct?

[iron zodiac]

I'm looking for mixed I/O,

This is for a Music Production machine.

Tom's Hardware did a review of this just 10 days or so ago. They clocked it in as the fastest thing they've tested to date.

[minor sun]

Random perf looks pretty good

[iron zodiac]

I wish Newegg proper carried the drive. I've found it on Another Place for a significant holiday shopping discount. Newegg would probably be competitive.

[minor sun]

Seems to be a new drive anyways, and Newegg isn't the seller here, it's a third party seller called "BTE Outlet"

[iron zodiac]

Yes, that's the sad part.

I dislike third party sellers.

[minor sun]

Welp, many e18+176L Micron drives coming onto the market nowadays, all pretty good

[iron zodiac]

That's what the FireCuda 530 2TB that @blazing musk recommended last night is.

The big difference between the FireCuda 530 and the KC3000 seems to be the flash - the 530 runs it at 1200, while the KC3000 runs it at 1600, hence the faster benchmarks.

Or so I gather.

[minor sun]

I'm assuming you're talking about the TBW rating, that doesn't do anything to performance, that's just what the warranty guarantees it will write before failure (1600 terabytes written)

[iron zodiac]

Let me go back to the article and look up what I read - hang on.

[minor sun]

Oh, misread, Firecuda 530 is rated for 2550TBW, sn850 was the one that is rated for 1200TBW

[iron zodiac]

Found it.

"Also, interfacing are thirty-two dies of Micron’s 512Gb 176L TLC flash, operating at full speed, 1,600 MTps."

In Tom's review of the 530, they complained that Seagate was only running their TLC flash at 1,200 MTps.

[minor sun]

Also found it, but I assume it's just a software issue for the Firecuda 530 tbh,

Rather than operate the flash at 1,600 MTps as we had hoped for and expected, the 530’s flash operates at just 1,200 MTps, based on our software reports.

[iron zodiac]

I doubt that's something that Seagate will change with a firmware patch.

[minor sun]

It's not unheard of for something like this to be fixed, for example, A2000 had an issue with not being able to recover SLC, and the firmware update fixed that and boosted performance

[iron zodiac]

Hmmm.

[minor sun]

But well, either way, firecuda 530 is barely behind KC3000 in terms of burst speed anyways

[iron zodiac]

And with the discount I've found, the KC3000 is less expensive.

[minor sun]

As long as you can trust the retailer, that should work.

[iron zodiac]

Can I mention the retailer?

[minor sun]

Sure, why not

[iron zodiac]

Provantage.

[minor sun]

Never heard of them, but looks fine

[iron zodiac]

I've used them before and trust them.

[minor sun]

Fair

[iron zodiac]

Well, thank you for looking up the KC3000 and reviewing it for me! I really do appreciate it. You've been a big help with my build.

[minor sun]

You're welcome

[oblique gulch]

I'm interested in buying a pair of hard drives for my 2010 MacPro5,1 Mac desktop. I'm considering the Toshiba 12TB Enterprise HDD SATA 6.0Gb/s 512e 7200 RPM 256MB Cache 3.5" Internal Hard Drive MG07ACA12TE and want to be sure it's a suitable choice. Anyone have any info on that?

[minor sun]

Not too sure on if the case could mount a 3.5in drive, but it does have sata ports.

[minor sun]

Although it looks like the ports on the Mac pro are only 3Gb/s for some reason, it'll still work fine.

[olive wadi]

@minor sun silicon power XD80 is also using maxio MAP1001 now but i've tested it and its not a significant downgrade

which makes me question the cultists results of the P34a80 performing so poorly with the same controller

[minor sun]

firmware issues?

[olive wadi]

idk

[olive wadi]

crappy backalley testing imo

[trim cloak]

i mean…cultists is not an official website yet, hasn’t been gamersnexus approved

[balmy bear]

What do you recommend to upgrade RAM & SSD for MSI GL66

[cyan frigate]

One of these days I'm going to take and RAID like 7 NVMe drives together. That would use 28 PCIe lanes, but I have 128 of those, so no worries there.

[olive wadi]

local man can do 7x4

[kind sierra]

Any reason why seven and not eight?

[cyan frigate]

I have exactly 7 M.2 slots

[kind sierra]

Ah

[cyan frigate]

4 on a card, and 3 on the mobo itself

Well, there's an 8th M.2 slot, but it is for the Wifi and BT module

[outer bane]

@cyan frigate threadripper?

it would be way more interesting if it was like dual xeons or something but its probably a threadripper

[kind sierra]

Probably either TR pro or epyc

[indigo arch]

Does CMR vs SMR make a difference when it comes to something like an 8tb drive for gaming?

Was looking to buy this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B075WYBQXJ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_delete_1?smid=A2SZ167LR1ZCA3&th=1
But getting slightly thrown by the spam of reviews for people saying dont get because its shingled yada yada

Also slightly confused by this product because the title says 7200 RPM but then when i add it to the basket it says 5400 RPM

[kind sierra]

For gaming, not really

That model is actually 5400rpm, not sure what's up with the title

[indigo arch]

I asked in another discord as well and someone recommended this to me instead
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-IronWolf-Internal-Hard-Drive/dp/B084ZV4DXB?th=1

They recommended me this for my use case. I assume it won't make any difference the fact it is a NAS specific drive meant for 24/7 use case?

[kind sierra]

Any particular reason that they gave?

[indigo arch]

They told me "never ever buy an SMR hard drive, those things are garbage, with little good to say about them" so i said what would you recommend me then and they just said if i want 8TB drive then this one is way better

no specific reasoning

[kind sierra]

Well then you can safely ignore them

[indigo arch]

Yikes

[kind sierra]

SMR is bad for high use NAS and data center solutions, it's perfectly fine for storing games

[indigo arch]

What you recomend for my use case then. It'll be specifically for a steam library/other game launcher libraries pretty much

[kind sierra]

If you have enough games to warrant 8TB, I'd go with that first drive that you linked

[indigo arch]

i need more then 2TB put it that way. So i was looking for larger storage and 8TB seemed like a good middle ground to me for the long run

[kind sierra]

Though looking at some stuff, you can get two 4TB drives for cheaper than one 8TB drive...

Do you have room in your machine for two hard drives?

[indigo arch]

Ha good question

[kind sierra]

What case do you have?

[indigo arch]

Phanteks entho evolv X
The case has plenty of space for them but i like my storage so it's somewhat crammed with SSDs and such for other things but they arent special drives. It's more if i have the connector space on my mobo haha

[kind sierra]

Lol, okay

[indigo arch]

Which it looks like i do have the connector space for it. By the time i take the old drive out and if i get 2 4TB drives then should be ok

You got a linky for the ones you were looking at?

[kind sierra]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0713R3Y6F
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B087QTVCHH

There ya go

[indigo arch]

I assume RPM doesnt have a whole lot of effect on my use case?

[kind sierra]

Not really

You could load games a bit faster theoretically, but for the games that you'd be storing on HDD it really won't matter

[indigo arch]

And would you say there are any beneficial reasons as to why i should go with green over blue or blue over green?

[kind sierra]

Blue is cheaper

[indigo arch]

😂

[kind sierra]

Also I trust cheap wd a little more than cheap Seagate. Not a huge difference though

[indigo arch]

I find it so difficult to figure out these days what's a better option given all the things that have been found out from the manufactures and then the fanboys and people hating on the other because of one thing or another

[kind sierra]

They're basically the same

[indigo arch]

Sounds like you're actually quite level headed between the two which is for sure a nice thing

[kind sierra]

Generally speaking, for that tier of storage for those uses you sort by cheap

[indigo arch]

It's mainly dumb BS like this on Amazon with people just going dont buy blah blah makes it so difficult to figure out the right answer

[kind sierra]

Lol

[real lava]

the reviews be dumb

[indigo arch]

I do often take them with a pinch of salt because well...its amazon. But its difficult at times

[kind sierra]

https://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/cmr-smr-list/
Here's the list if you want it

[indigo arch]

Thanks

Cheers for the help on the original question too. Given me more information then the other server. Almost ended up going for the ironwolf too -_-

[kind sierra]

What server was it?

[indigo arch]

"buildapc"

discord server for the reddit page i think

[kind sierra]

Aight, they're hit and miss

[indigo arch]

I tend to post between here and there because sometimes i dont get a response on one but i do on the other 🤷‍♂️

[real lava]

just speaking from experience

seagate and wd are basically luck dependent on either failing

but i would trust wd more

[kind sierra]

On the cheap end yeah

Wd has a slightly better failure rate, but nothing significant enough to validate more than maybe a two buck difference

[indigo arch]

Fair enough

[kind sierra]

Wanna know something funny?

[indigo arch]

I guess if it fails it fails. I'm yet to have a drive go fully dead on me. This is the first time one has started to go for me

[indigo arch]

sure

[kind sierra]

That first Amazon review in your screenshot where the dude is talking about normally using wd red drives

[indigo arch]

ya

[kind sierra]

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/311182-red-alert-wd-sued-for-selling-inferior-smr-hard-drives-to-nas-customers

[indigo arch]

🤦

[real lava]

literally caught red handed

selling red

[kind sierra]

Yeah

What was worse is that they advertise them as NAS

[real lava]

i like the latest wd gold with optinand tho

20tb

but it's of course expensive

like almost 700 a pop?

[kind sierra]

So yeah, his "preferred" drives got slapped in a huge SMR scandal

[indigo arch]

They've all been slapped for it somewhere down the line though havent they

[kind sierra]

Some more or less

Wd was a big issue because they advertised them as NAS drives

[real lava]

i miss the days when hgst was actually hitachi

not another wd company

[kind sierra]

Seagate doesn't make those claims, so they didn't run into as big of an issue

Problem is people saw the WD lawsuit and went on a witch hunt against SMR drives, not really understanding why they are an issue

[real lava]

i have an hgst drive, an actual pre wd one too

still workin like new after 6 years

[red jay]

best mpcie ssd?

best small wifi-card thats compatible with linux?

[minor sun]

...?

You talking about m-sata?

or m.2 or?

[red jay]

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/HP+Stream+13+Disassembly+for+Upgrading+the+PCIe+mini+SSD/55353

[kind sierra]

That's gonna be tight

[red jay]

that's ok

[kind sierra]

I don't know any good SSDs off the top of my head in that form factor

[red jay]

damn

are they at least faster than the emmc included

or would I just be paying for more storage

[kind sierra]

They should be faster

[red jay]

alr

do you think an msata would fit in that slot

or do I have to specifically get mPCIe

[blazing musk]

If you put a card that's the wrong form factor you're asking for a short circuit 🔥

[red jay]

that's why I'm asking if that port is mPCIe or mSata

its mPCIe

[blazing musk]

Don't you just love when they intentionally leave a connector not soldered. That could have been a sata...

[red jay]

well now that, that is sorted

[red jay]

bro....

or m.2...

bro...

yeah m.2

this laptop is too thin for laptop sata

[blazing musk]

There's 5mm thick sata drives

[red jay]

and theres not enough

space for it in that spot

it looks bigger than it is in the picture

[blazing musk]

True, it probably was a M.2

[minor sun]

Weird laptop making decisions

[red jay]

^

[blazing musk]

Yeah comparing size to the mPCIe slot it's a M.2 not soldered

[red jay]

wow

[small steppe]

alyssa 🌷#6283 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[red jay]

that sucks

it literally opted for emmc

[minor sun]

probably artificial product segmentation tbh

[red jay]

over m.2

it is that though yeah

alr so,

[blazing musk]

That's how they force you to buy the better model

[red jay]

Need the best mPCIe card I can buy speed wise, capacity doesn't matter

and then the best external wifi card I can buy

but also the smallest

that's compatabile with linux

what channel should I go to to ask this question ^ @blazing musk

I found the mPCIe card

[blazing musk]

This is the right channel for the storage at least, I'm just not too sure what the best option is for that form factor.

Linux compatibility is a non-issue

[red jay]

I mean for the wifi card

but Ig I'll ask here

[blissful night]

Anything with a broadcom chipset should work fine

[blazing musk]

Oh, there's plenty of USB ones you can get

[red jay]

basically, I want the best wifi card in this form factor with linux compatibility https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-wireless-network-Adapter-SoftAP/dp/B008IFXQFU/ref=pd_lpo_2?pd_rd_i=B008IFXQFU&psc=1

I want it in that small ass form-factor

[blazing musk]

Yeah broadcom is quite good with linux

[red jay]

ok so broadcom chipset

is there a specific brand I could look for?

[blazing musk]

As long as it's a well known brand, it doesn't really matter. There's no "best brand" they all make good and bad stuff.

Do you have a USB 3.0 port to use, or just 2.0?

If you've only got 2.0 ports then N300 is the optimal speed, but if you have 3.0 you can get faster like AC1200

I scrolled up and saw it's the HP Stream 13, which does have a 3.0 port on the left side by the HDMI.

The 2 on the right are 2.0

[red jay]

is it small formfactor

these are all realtek in this form factor I see

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-USB-AC53-Nano-Dual-Band-Compatible/dp/B071KV2SMV

this is the fastest one I found

is this what you meant?

[blazing musk]

I haven't found any broadcom ones that small yet either

[red jay]

yeah there aren't

[blazing musk]

But yes that speed is good

[red jay]

alr

https://github.com/maccuaa/asus-ac53-rtl8822bu and there is this

so I'll get that

[blazing musk]

You'll need to compile that yourself though

[red jay]

I wonder if there's a display upgrade I can do

[red jay]

am aware.

I'm quite familiar with linux, I'm in the process of making my own distro with some friends :P

[red jay]

nope

[blazing musk]

Good, many people aren't as well versed as you but you'll probably be fine

[heavy condor]

Seagate 2TB HDD not working
I plugged the HDD and everything and in order to set it up, I need to go into computer management then disk management. But the HDD isn't showing up for me to set it up

[grave crow]

I have an Asus Prime x299-a motherboard with dual Samsung SSD 850 Pro 1TB drives (in a RAID 1 configuration). I want to upgrade my storage with 2 2TB drives. I've read the Prime x299-a motherboard supports m.2 storage. Can anyone make a storage recommendation?

[grave crow]

Try using something like gparted. You can download an ISO from their website and burn it to a bootable CD. From there restart your computer and boot from the CD. Once gparted starts, you can manage your disk there and do things like format the drive or resize partitions. Just be careful you don't accidentally ruin your good drive. In the past, have unplugged the power from my good drive so gparted doesn't recognize them and then I know my data is safe.

[heavy condor]

theres no point in all that if nothing recognizes my new hdd.

[grave crow]

right, but this is a way to see if something other than Windows will recognize the drive. I hate to ask but have you double checked it is plugged in properly and getting power?

[heavy condor]

yes i double checked, and i installed software that also doesn't recognize it

[grave crow]

to rule out the drive being the issue, are you able to install it into another computer? could you connect it via USB? I have used a SATA -> USB adapter before. This could potentially rule out a motherboard issue or a drive issue.

[heavy condor]

no spare computer, no adapter

[grave crow]

This isn't an older IDE drive by chance is it? Those had master/slave jumpers and if the drive wasn't jumpered properly, the OS couldn't recognize the drive

[heavy condor]

itsa seagate baracuda

[grave crow]

I may still have old baracuda IDE drives. i'm trying to rule out some things

[grave crow]

do you have the model number of your baracuda drive?

does the BIOS recognize the drive? if the BIOS doesn't recognize it, your OS won't either

[heavy condor]

i concluded its dead

nothing recognises it

i dont hear it spin

or vibrate

[grave crow]

maybe it just isn't getting power. try using the power from the good drive becuase you know that works

[heavy condor]

using the power for wat

[grave crow]

take the power going to the good drive and plug it into your baracuda. If the baracuda spins up that means it is still working and maybe it is a cabeling issue

[heavy condor]

i have a m.2 nvme as my main good drive

[grave crow]

ah, ok

[minor sun]

What do you plan on using the storage for?

[minor sun]

try some other connectors perhaps

[grave crow]

I use Linux and the storage is for /home which consists of the majority of my data, plus virtual machines. I also use it for / which is the root file system. Lastly, I use it for media storage such as MP3s. So it will be used for media I need to be fast (VMs, music) and data which could be slower (docs etc).

[minor sun]

So doesn't really need to be that fast, if you want mass storage, take a look at Sabrent Rocket Q @grave crow

[grave crow]

no, it doesn't need to be that fast. I think anything m.2 will be faster that what I have now

[minor sun]

..?

[minor sun]

Sabrent Rocket Q is a m.2 drive

It's on the slow end because QLC

[grave crow]

right, that is what I mean. Since Rocket Q is m.2, it will be faster than the drives I have now. I was looking at Samsung 980 Pro

[minor sun]

uh

980 pro is stupid fast and stupid overpriced for just storage

[grave crow]

The one thing I like about Samsung is that I currently have samsung drives and I haven't had a problem with them. IMO, the most important component is your hard drive because that is your data. You can replace memory or a fan, but you may never be able to replace your data. If your drive dies and you lose your data, that is the worst case scenario. Yes, I have backups but I still think reliable storage is high priority. I'm not familir with Sabrent so I'm hesitant.

Also, I'm stupid. So stupid fast/overprice sound like me haha

[minor sun]

Tbh, if you want to secure your data, you shouldn't focus on if your drive will die in 5 years vs 10 years from normal usage, you use services like backblaze in case something fails unexpectedly, and well, even then, getting a 970 evo or 980 for a fraction of the price as a 980 pro will have no effective difference for your usage

[grave crow]

Agreed. I use Crashplan. It had a better solution for me due to the amount of data I have (over 10TB) plus it supports Linux. IIRC, backblaze didn't give me the options I needed. I have 10TB of data for photos which is not part of this discussion. I use slower SATA drives for that with two Drobos. I'm just focusing on my OS/personal data storage for these drives. I use RAID1 for data redundancy.

Thanks for your advice. it is very helpful and giving me things to think about

[minor sun]

You're welcome, just keep in mind that Sabrent is a pretty big company and just keep them and other options at the back of your mind.

[balmy bear]

Can someone give me any advice please.

[barren comet]

halo

how do i make sure im not getting ripped off when buying a hdd cus i wanna buy one second hand but i heard that it can be like super used and bottle neck your system

[real lava]

make sure the seller has result of bad sector scan

if it's all green then the drive should be healthy

[barren comet]

ahhh i see

thank you :)

[dawn arch]

i got a SN550 in the 8th of this year, i probably got the worse version right? i hope its not too bad

[red jay]

I think i made a mistake... I bought so many different SSD brands...

• Samsung 980 nvme 1tb
• Samsung 860 EVO 1tb
  -Samsung 870 EVO 500gb
• torosus 250gb
• Sandisk SATA 500gb
• SN550 1tb
  -SN550 500gb
  -SN850 1 TB
• Rocket Q nvme 1TB
• Intel 660p 1TB
• Intel 670 1 TB

I have them either not mounted or in one of my two builds

(I know its a ridiculous list of ssds)

Like is focusing on ONE or two specific brands better in terms of inter-performance in your PC?

[real lava]

no

it doesn't matter

[red jay]

And how heavy is it for (components) to endure the more SSD's you use at once?

Like RAM?

[real lava]

none

it wouldn't stress anything out lol

[red jay]

Ok nice

And apart from your OS, is investing in a say 980 PRO vs buying more of SN550 worth it?

[real lava]

eh

for vast majority of cases

no

[dawn arch]

?

[sour wadi]

nah its not to bad

[minor sun]

If you don't notice it, there is no problem

Only real difference was speed of writing to native tlc

Which doesn't matter if you don't do much sustained

[tame ermine]

.

[minor sun]

First, can you confirm if you have GL66 11UEK, GL66 11UDK, or GL66 11UCK? The main difference is that 11UEK has 2 m.2 slots when the rest only have 1 m.2 slot.
Next, memory wise, it has 2 sodimm slots, if you just want a kit of 2x8gb memory, here's a cheap option:
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820374023
For 2x16gb:
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820374024

I'll need bit more info from you to suggest a drive, like the budget and how much storage you want and what you'll use it for

[dawn arch]

alr

[trim cloak]

unless you’re psu can’t handle like 10w each ssd, then nothing

[red jay]

Suspicious hard drive. But it's so cheap

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HGST-Ultrastar-7K6000-HUS726060ALE611-6TB-7200RPM-SATA-6-0Gb-s-3-5-Hard-Drive-/154664044848?

I'd consider it but I think my self 5 years later would kill me for trusting 6 tb of storage to a drive like this lol

But it's so cheap 😔

[real lava]

the seller has nice reputation at least tho

it seems

[red jay]

Yea but so do sellers that sell white label drives

[real lava]

fair

[red jay]

I should probably not cheap out on storage though lol

[blazing musk]

HGST is owned by Toshiba right?

[real lava]

Hitachi, but bought by WD in like 2015 or so

Wait no 2012

[blazing musk]

Ah that's right

[real lava]

So my laptop's drive is actually a wd

I got hgst drive in mine

It's made in like 2014-15

[blazing musk]

Point being it's from a reliable brand at least

[real lava]

yeah

[red jay]

hmm

[upper quiver]

i use the 3TB versions of those drives

off ebay from some wacky seller, smart data cleared, used in some datacenter for the last 5 or so years

but they work

so

for the 40 dollars i paid per drive, they make good game drives

[minor sun]

HGST drives are great

[upper quiver]

or just raid 1 for storing important data

yeah, those HGST ultrastars sadly arent manufactured anymore, but the old ones are still solid after years of use

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224604910631

😩

altho note these are sas

[red jay]

How many hours do you have on the drive? What kind of operations do you use the drive for? Just games?

Yea I saw that SAS drive

[upper quiver]

just games

[red jay]

I could use it in my server if I really wanted

[upper quiver]

have 2 of em in raid 0, i just dump all my games on it

[red jay]

But my server uses 2.5 inch bays lol

[upper quiver]

oof

[red jay]

Oh alright

[upper quiver]

i wouldnt hammer em with constant re-writing

[red jay]

Yea, I planned to just use one for mass storage

[plush crag]

Depending on your net, and restore time needs, I think cloud backup like backblaze + raid 0 or jbod on site can be a good option

[upper quiver]

yeah, offsite obv better, but usecase was never really mentioned, so i just assumed he was after a ton of local storage of files he would rather not lose

also what backblaze

hol on

oh thats what you were refering to by cloud storage

cant read dont mind me

imo this is the best usecase for ebay drives

[plush crag]

Backblaze is $6/month true unlimited, though it's UI can be a bit buggy, and it'll be slow to upload lots of little files

[upper quiver]

does it have like some form of local application, or rest api, or something that allows automatic backups, or is this like, upload everything through the browser-based UI?

[kind sierra]

Also doesn't support Linux 😦

[keen knot]

does anyone know if the black friday MSI Spatium will be back in stock?

[red jay]

Yea, I like my data to be stored locally. Plus I don't like the idea of having to pay a subscription to use an off-site server when it's not really necessary

I just find it easier to have everything on-hand you know

[sour wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[red jay]

hmm yea maybe i should get one of those ebay drives

[red jay]

two hours later, hdd self-check 50% done

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

[red jay]

IT IS DONE AT LAST.
my OS install migrated from dying hdd to nvme ssd

nevermind

it seems the boot loader is still on the old hdd

screw you windows now i have to use my crummy old hard drive for 2 more hours

[red jay]

wait nevermind that probably wasnt even the issue

god dang im too tired for this

[light summit]

hey so what would be an acceptable number of bad blocks on a relatively new hdd

[blazing musk]

0

[light summit]

well sh*t

i think its dead

[blazing musk]

Normally before it starts reporting bad blocks it reallocates them

If it ran out of spare sectors for reallocation then that's a problem, and you should RMA it

[light summit]

yea

it died a while ago and it kinda started working today and i was gonna just test running a small game on it and use a scanner app to see how screwed it is

but i have like 1 year left of warrenty from seagate so im most certainly gonna rma it

[blazing musk]

They tend to be pretty decent about RMA at least. Might take a little time to get a number.

[light summit]

yea

for some reason every bloody hard drive i get from seagate and even my friends have all died at some point

albeit they're always spinning disk

[blazing musk]

There was a run of drives a few years ago that had a really high failure rate, might be from those batches

[light summit]

maybe one of them

but this one was basically oob when it died

i used it for a little as a game drive for my xbox one and then it was shoved in a closet for a couple of months and when i tried to use it again it was dead

yea i just tried to run crab game on steam off of it as a benchmark and it didnt even launch

or even open the executable

just sat there

well i guess it was worth a shot to try the drive again

[blazing musk]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-dead-star-trek-bones-gif-15263308

[light summit]

yea lol

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[red jay]

I gave up

Cloning didn't work, it wouldn't properly boot from the cloned-to drive

So I decided I was just gonna fresh install windows and reinstall all my applications and programs and utilities and stuff

So I did

[lunar forge]

is there a noticeable benefit getting a SN850 vs getting a SN750 SE? spec wise, the SN850 is almost twice as fast, but not sure how that translate into real world usage, im interest in production software such as photoshop, lightroom

[real lava]

sn 750 se sucks, and well for your case sn750 is enough, the non se that is

[pallid orchid]

^

2tb model is great deal rn as well iirc

[lunar forge]

so what use case will need SN850?

[real lava]

moving big files around

like big, singular chunk of files

[lunar forge]

that would be like video editing?

[real lava]

yes

music production too

[olive wadi]

its b tier

[real lava]

hm

well still isn't the se inferior?

[red jay]

so im looking to upgrade my laptop from a 256 GB HDD to an SSD. i wanna buy my own SSD, and then im gonna bring it to a tech repair store for them to install it becuase I dont wanna lose my data. but I wanna know what SSD i have to get. my budget is ~$200

[sour wadi]

How much storage you looking for and does your laptop have m.2 or will you need a 2.5" drive?

[real lava]

Or tell us what laptop you have

[red jay]

no idea. but my laptop is an Acer Aspire 3 A315-41

[red jay]

looking for at least 256 gb

[sour wadi]

Well 150$ will get you a 2tb drive so let us know how much, you've got loads of budget for storage

[red jay]

yo fr?

thats actually dope

so then im gonna say at least 512 gb

@sour wadi

[real lava]

that laptop has m.2 slot

iirc

[red jay]

i wanna upgrade to an SSD for faster speeds, and the ability to have more than 2 games installed at once LOL

[sour wadi]

Crucials compatibility says 2.5" only

[red jay]

o

which one is it then LOL

[real lava]

I dunno

I saw notebookcheck review

And it has m.2

[sour wadi]

I'd trust crucials site thing, pretty accurate

[red jay]

i have a picture of the directx specs

[sour wadi]

Oh

[red jay]

whatever theyre called

i was talking to a guy earlier abt it, said those helped so here if it helps at all

[real lava]

the 2.5" bay by default is actually empty

unless the laptop has hdd before that is

[red jay]

that defo looks like th einside of my PC. from the vents, i can see the metal cooling and the fan

[red jay]

it has an HDD rn

i wanna upgrade to at least a 512 SSD

[real lava]

then the m.2 slot is empty

[red jay]

it cam HDD from the factory

so it supports 2.5" and m.2?

[real lava]

2tb ssd fits 200 bucks budget

[sour wadi]

Just watched a teardown, there was no m.2 slot

[real lava]

weird

[small carbon]

In this pic I see m.2 on the right

[real lava]

same model number tho

a315-41

[sour wadi]

Hmm

[red jay]

you know, i hate to say this because i in no way trust myself, but if it comes down to this, i can take the bottom panel off of my laptop, send a pic for yall

[sour wadi]

Best bet to just go 2.5" imo

[red jay]

isne m.2 better tho?

isn't**

[sour wadi]

Eh yeah nvme is but realistically you won't see much of a difference

[red jay]

i just want it for faster speeds, and higher storage

aka what most people upgrade their hard drives for

how hard would it be to install it yourself?

[small carbon]

Hdd to sata ssd alone is the biggest difference

[red jay]

i dont wanna spend a ton of money at a repair shop to fix it, if its easy to do it yourself at home

[real lava]

i would still say m.2

well you can take the laptop apart easily

it's just bottom cover and such

[red jay]

listen, do you want me to open up my laptop and send a picture of the internals? so you can see if it has the slot

[real lava]

check if there is m.2 slot

nah

[small carbon]

Pretty easy really, maybe 1 screw hdd/ssd & they slide out

[sour wadi]

The 2.5" is easy to access anyway, the m.2 would be harder

[real lava]

but it's easy

[red jay]

yea im gonna go with a 2.5"

[real lava]

alright then

i wanna do m.2 myself cause ya get to keep the hdd

[red jay]

only thing

[real lava]

but seeing the inconsistency in configs..

[red jay]

would there bbe a way to get my data from my old HDD > my new SSD?

[real lava]

im not too confident

also yes, macrium reflect

[red jay]

i dont mind reinstalling everything

but id rather not

[red jay]

whats that

[real lava]

it's drive cloning program

[red jay]

is it at home accessable?

[small carbon]

Various free programs can clone a drive w/ just a few clicks, & time. Sometimes settings to confirm.

[real lava]

it's free

[sour wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ffpzK8/klevv-cras-c710-512-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-k512gm2sp0-c71 for 500gb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101 1tb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QggQzy/crucial-p2-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000p2ssd8 2tb

[red jay]

can i get any off amazon?

oj

ok those are amazon

thanks

[sour wadi]

Np

[real lava]

pato

[sour wadi]

Ye?

[real lava]

i think you were lookin at a515-42 kek

41 does have m.2 slot

[red jay]

i think that 1TB one is the best way to go. only 70 bucks? thats amazing tbh

[red jay]

LMAO

[sour wadi]

Maybe but i copy pasted in the name so idk how

[real lava]

odd

[red jay]

im still gonna go with the 2.5".

easier to install according to you guys

[real lava]

yeah that's fair

imma let pato look for deals for you

[red jay]

im still gonna unscrew my laptop bottom pannel (already out of warranty so idc) and check out the inside

[red jay]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XHMBQK3?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1 already found this

[real lava]

so you're really going m.2?

[sour wadi]

https://eu.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/acer/aspire-a315-41 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[red jay]

idk

that m.2 is cheaper

but idk how to install it

let me get a screwdriver and crack open my laptop and check it out first

[real lava]

oh

the m.2 slot is sata

heck

just go 2.5" then

[sour wadi]

Ye

[red jay]

they other guy im talking to says i need a SATA to USB adapter to get my data from 1 drive to another

[real lava]

i would suggest reinstalling things as clean sheet

cloning is slow

[red jay]

yea

i dont mind reinstalling

[real lava]

reinstall is pretty quick

[red jay]

ill backup some files, like 2FA passcodes n stuff

but other than that i dont really have anything important on that laptop that cant be reinstalled

i dont have that much stuff because its only 256 gb lmao

[sour wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Mtprxr/western-digital-0-25-2000000rpm-internal-hard-drive-wds200t2b0a for 2tb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/j6JmP6/team-t-force-vulcan-g-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-t253tg001t3c301 1tb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6G9tt6/team-t-force-vulcan-g-512-gb-25-solid-state-drive-t253tg512g3c301 500gb

[real lava]

256 gigs sounds like ssd to me

[red jay]

nah its an HDD

[real lava]

huh

that laptop should come with 1tb hdd

[red jay]

no

[real lava]

weird lmao

[red jay]

its a 256 gb hdd the one my sister picked out

[real lava]

ah

[red jay]

listen, i have a second laptop my dad got off a friend for cheap, it has a 128 gb SSD LMFAO

its a good laptop and id upgrade this one too, but i dont use it as much so im not gonna upgrade it rn

[real lava]

so the laptop definitely had its hdd swapped somewhere

[red jay]

he got it brand new

[real lava]

eh doesn't matter, you're buying an ssd to replace anyway

[red jay]

yea

[real lava]

just wondering

[red jay]

SSD alone is gonna be a giant upgrade

[real lava]

yep

[red jay]

yea?

[real lava]

nvm that, i was just adding to what i said

[red jay]

thats the EU website. i cant order from there

im in US

wait

nvm it was a weird bug

im probs gonna go with that 1TB vulcan. ima bookmark the page and talk to my dad about it

would i just slide out the old HDD and put in the new SSD? to install it

because iirc thats how you do it on most computers if its not an M.2

[sour wadi]

Pretty much just copy any files you cant download to somewhere else and make a windows installation media usb before removing the hdd

[red jay]

@sour wadi @real lava im about to start unscrewing the bottom of my laptop

kinda scared

[pallid orchid]

Just dont pull too hard

Sometimes wires are attached to the underside of the laptop

Go slowly

[red jay]

what is this?

[real lava]

that's the ram cover

but yes it's okay to take it off

do the same to hdd cover too

then move to the bottom panel

[red jay]

is this the HDD cover

[real lava]

yes

once that's off

you can start prying on the bottom panel

[red jay]

there’s nothing in it

[real lava]

so

it has an ssd already?