storage-devices

[real lava]

128 gig ssd is also rare nowadays

240 is min

[crimson loom]

already made a choice, thanks anyways

[olive wadi]

what choice

let me tell you how its wrong

[crimson loom]

i legit havent lol

[olive wadi]

understandable have a nice day

[crimson loom]

uh 1 sec

i went with the wd blue sn550, please tell me whats wrong with it heh

[olive wadi]

how much did you pay for what capacity

[crimson loom]

i havent gotten it yet but its 238.62 in local currency which is 65.55 dollars minus shipping

500 gigs

[olive wadi]

damn that sucks but foreign economy so whatever

[crimson loom]

yup sadly

i could ship to a us address since i have one that will deliver over here

but is there anything i should know about the ssd before i buy it?

[olive wadi]

recently had a flash change which gimps sustained write performance by a bit but probably really doesn't matter for you

and you got the 500gb one which didnt have a change

it was the 1tb one that did

[crimson loom]

hmm alright

i did plan to upgrade to 1tb as i got a higher budget now but i feel like i dont need a much more powerful ssd

[olive wadi]

what region do you live in

[crimson loom]

Middle East

specifically qatar

[dense merlin]

He has hdds from 20 years ago not ssds

[olive wadi]

im aware,

🤯 read again

im just talking about why no one has SSDs that old

[dense merlin]

Why say it then? I thought you thought I meant he had ssds that old, tbh I didn't even know ssds existed theb

[olive wadi]

"Why say it then" To raise the point that it's not even possible to compare HDD vs SSD reliability on that long of a time span?

[dense merlin]

Ah

[olive wadi]

but modern ssd's much less likely to randomly fail than an HDD

no moving parts 😎

[real lava]

^

[serene laurel]

Hi, I’d like some advice on specifically which 1tb NVMe m.2 ssd to buy. It doesn’t need to be pcie gen4, it’s going in an msi x470 gaming plus max with a Ryzen 5 3400g and a gtx 1060 3gb.

I’m currently looking at the Samsung Evo Plus because it looks good on paper. I’m unfamiliar with sequential vs random r/w, but the numbers are higher than others. Another important thing to me is the 600 TBW rating.

I’m predominantly going to use it as a boot drive for Ubuntu Studio to do low latency audio work, video editing in davinci resolve (1080p), basic 3D animations in blender, and some light video games (minecraft)

If there are better SSDs around this price point that are better, or if I’m on the right track, please let me know!

[pallid orchid]

mushkin pilot e or p31gold or sn550

[olive wadi]

"It doesn’t need to be pcie gen4, it’s going in an msi x470 gaming plus max" you never need pcie gen 4

and 600tbw is incredibly average

nor does tbw matter

P31 gold is a cheaper more power efficient 970 evo plus

you can also just check the tier list in the pins

(use the updated version)

[dense merlin]

Yeah gen 4 is not beneficial for nearly everyone

[olive wadi]

only beneficial for my fortnite rig

need it for victory royale

[serene laurel]

I know, I just wanted to say that because there are gen 4 for similar price

[olive wadi]

this is just proving how badly priced the 970 evo plus is

reject samsung embrace sk hynix

evo plus is even more cringe for just becoming another meme burst performance big dynamic pslc cache poop machine

[serene laurel]

If tbw doesn’t matter, what does?

[serene laurel]

Haha okay that makes sense

[serene laurel]

How do y’all rate the adata sx 8200? Saw some benchmarks and it appears to have better consistency over time

It’s also cheaper than the p31 gold on newegg

[sour wadi]

No ax 8200 has like 7 versions

[indigo arch]

I recently bought a Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB drive. Not long after getting it i herd about to issues with Samsung swapping out the controller on the device due to the silicon shortage. So like what does this exactly mean for the drive? What will i be looking at in terms of performance change and such things.
Potentially wondering if it's worth me sending it back while i still can and potentially explains why they were on such a good price at the time

[sour wadi]

Well first thing I'd do is actually see if your drive is a new one or old one, idk if Samsung have released a serial number range but, you could run crystal disk mark and compare the speeds with an older one, you know is not affected

[indigo arch]

Yeah i didn't know if Samsung had actually done a release of SNs for what would be there effected batch

[minor sun]

@serene laurel most of the benchmarks on sx 8200 pro are from the first good version, they swapped controller and nand on that drive way too many times afterwards, who knows which variant you'll get

[serene laurel]

Thanks. I’ll rule that one out.

[serene laurel]

Ok so I think I’m going to go with the WD SN750 1tb. I read a post on tomshardware talking about how different manufacturers switched ssds, but this one doesn’t look like it got switched, just renamed. Also it has 64 layer nand instead of the p31 128 layer.

[minor sun]

higher layer count nand is actually better, and also I believe sn750 controller got swapped recently too

layer count is different from bits per cell

source for a possible new varient
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/p55wit/psa_recent_wd_wd_black_sn750_nvme_1tb_drives_have/

[serene laurel]

Oh okay, that’s good to know.

So would you guys recommend the mushkin pilot e over the p31 gold?

[sour wadi]

P31 over pilot e

[blazing musk]

That was the sn550, unless they did 750 also

[olive wadi]

ok but who cares its cheap

[blazing musk]

P31 over almost everything tbh

[olive wadi]

"Also it has 64 layer nand instead of the p31 128 layer"

128 layer is better my gamer

more layers=bigger nand=better

more word lines 🧠

[olive wadi]

"What will i be looking at in terms of performance change and such things" it's going from a well balanced drive with strong burst and sustained to being mainly focused on short burst performance with a large dynamic PSLC cache

unless you're a very specialized proffesional you probably wont know the difference

and this isnt a silicon shortage thing as much as it is a "samsung is tired of making the phoenix" moment

[blazing musk]

It's the opposite of DDR4 then, where having to charge a whole row just to fill a few bits means a lot of waste

[olive wadi]

since the evo plus was the last drive to use them

[olive wadi]

what

the idea of layers doesnt apply to dram

dram is planar

except with like hbm but that's just planar dram stacked ontop of planar dram

(citation pending)

[blazing musk]

Yeah, I'm just saying. Continuing the conversation if you will.

[olive wadi]

more layers=newer fabrication process, doesn't directly affect performance but indicates trend of more advanced flash

[blazing musk]

Of course it's totally different, I was agreeing lol

[olive wadi]

🤯

waiting for 3d nor flash

if you google "is more layers better or worse" gaurauntee you'll see "more layers bad becuz qlc"

[indigo arch]

Only reason i stated silicon shortage specifically is because i watched WAN show from Linus Tech Tips and they talked about it there and stated it as that. I heard about the Samsung thing somewhere else first but then he spoke about it. So this is as much source of information as i currently have. But seems like you've actually given me a decent answer and sounds like it really wont't make any difference to me at all then

[olive wadi]

silicon shortage is fake

ive seen silicon he's pretty tall

[indigo arch]

Ummmmmm. Sure

[blazing musk]

Lol

Really though, it's not silicon that's in short supply now, it's semiconductors mainly

[indigo arch]

That too

[minor sun]

I linked source for what I was talking about

we have lots of sand

we can make it into silicon ingots

we can probably get wafers fairly easily too

it's more the rest of the process that's kinda not having fun

can't exactly mass produce equipment for euv

[red jay]

If I wanted to move all my data including windows to a new drive, how would I do it?

[dense merlin]

afaik the easiest way is to install both drives into the same system, and transfer the data that way

[real lava]

^

[balmy mortar]

lafmo

[sour wadi]

Is it tho? 3$ more for the pilot e, or save the 10$ and go sn550 like

[brittle chasm]

Whats a good value 4tb nvme drive?

[sour wadi]

I wouldn't say any good value and 4tb nvme mix at all

[minor sun]

Rocket q might work

Or mp400

[olive wadi]

sx8200 pro and pilot e basically perform the same even if you mix up variants

and all variants of the sx8200 pro kick sn550s ass

[sour wadi]

Fair enough then

[olive wadi]

get owned

[covert forge]

How do I reliably choose an SSD now? My budget is 5000 INR so ~70 USD and I want a ~500 GB SSD, I was going to get the WD blue SN550 but then the news broke out and I don't know how to choose an SSD now, the tier list on the LTT forum says the kingston A2000 is also the best in the category so should I get that now hoping that they haven't done any bait and switching? I'm worried because kingston was caught before doing this too

[glad oxide]

is this good? like any better than a 5400rpm hdd?

[minor sun]

Better than a hdd, probably, would I buy it, hell no.

[glad oxide]

I wanna get it to put some games on it that load slow

[glad oxide]

30€

used

[minor sun]

it's just a really scrappy drive

you can do better

[glad oxide]

I have a few more

[minor sun]

yes

[glad oxide]

I guess its definitely better because samsung

[minor sun]

drive itself is better

brand doesn't matter

[glad oxide]

yes

also I will buy some RAM

can u help?

[minor sun]

what kind

[glad oxide]

I only have 2 slots

and 2x8 gb

I have 2x4

@minor sun helo

[olive wadi]

with the pinned tier list

[covert forge]

I checked there too and Kingston fits that too so I guess I'll go for it

[olive wadi]

remember to always checked the updated tier list that is linked within the tier list

support for the gamezoid ssd tier list on qubex's github has ended

[indigo arch]

WD Elements 14TB drive currently at about £17.64 per TB. Sounds like the prices are slowly coming down again. Tryna get a good deal on one of these to shuck. Yay or nay for the price. Wait a bit longer. Given how prices have been i don't wanna miss out on this and have it go through the roof again

[torn palm]

14tb damnnn

[blazing musk]

I'd just get an exos drive. 7200 rpm

[indigo arch]

Is that a good damn or a bad damn?

[torn palm]

a good damn lol

that makes my 2 tb feel small

[indigo arch]

Oh right haha not a damn in terms of the price then 😂

[indigo arch]

They are substantially more expensive though

[blazing musk]

Maybe where you are, but here the 16tb is $325, or 275 euros

[indigo arch]

The first few that come up on Amazon the second one is probably the closest price to the elements I'm looking at but I don't necessarily need enterprise level drives for what i will be using this for

[minor sun]

Shucking in the US is still not really having a good time
https://shucks.top

[indigo arch]

I'm not from the US though sooo

[torn palm]

just move

ez

[minor sun]

Replying to fal'cie, US shucking isn't great atm, but not indicative of world market

But still cheaper for other markets

[indigo arch]

Well he just said that shucking in the us ISNT having a good time right now so that wouldnt exactly be logical would it 😂

[indigo arch]

Oh i see fair enough, my bad

[blazing musk]

Just because a drive is marketed for enterprise doesn't mean it isn't good for home users

[indigo arch]

I understand that and i know that people use enterprise drives in home use but as mentioned, for what I am using the drive for, i don't necessarily need something like that. I wish for something large capacity but in terms of something like that, no. Which is why i am looking at shucking a WD Elements drive and wondering what peoples thoughts are on £17.64 per TB is in terms of a good deal or not

[blazing musk]

Cost per TB being the only factor and not the fact that it'll be a 5400 rpm drive instead of 7200, that's a fair deal

If you could get an exos for the price it is in the US right now it would be closer to 17.20 euro per tb

I didn't check what the conversion to pounds would be there

[indigo arch]

The drive is going to be used for multiple virtual machines pretty much. But not virtual machines that are to be used as a permanent thing as such. For the purposes of VM experimenting etc and used for downloads of different things

[blazing musk]

If you're storing your virtual drives on the disk it'll boot very slowly

[indigo arch]

Not that i would want for the drive to fail or anything, if it fails then it fails and i won't be mad about anything that i loose on the drive as such.Only mad because the drive died.
The VMs don't need to load quick. I won't be doing any intensive work on them. They will have the alocated hardware they need and then used for downloads and experiments pretty much

[blazing musk]

As long as you're ok with the downsides go for it

[indigo arch]

Slow speeds and potential to fail is about all i would think of that would be a downside for the drive.
What else is there that can be a downside because I am not certain and would still be interested to know

[blazing musk]

It's not that it's more likely to fail, they'll all fail eventually, it just takes an enterprise drive longer to fail

It won't have a very large cache on a shucked drive, but eh, not a huge deal

[indigo arch]

Oh yeah no i understand that. All drives have the potential to fail. I just know it's the thing that people worry about with mechanical is all.
Small cache would effect transfer speeds right?

[blazing musk]

Mostly burst speeds

Like if it has 1GB of cache, when you copy to it the first 1gb or so of the transfer is MUCH faster, then it slows dramatically. larger cache, longer burst.

[indigo arch]

Ok yep I'm with you. Bigger the cache more it can hold so faster it can access it if i understand it right.
That might be an issue a little but meh i guess

[blazing musk]

It's only a minor issue, and mainly affects large file copies to the drive. It doesn't really affect read speeds.

[indigo arch]

Would this be the same for if i copy from the drive to another one or would i just be limited by what the other drives cache is?
Does this also count for downloads from the internet to the drive as well or is that kinda different?

[blazing musk]

The cache mainly affects write performance, not read.
Internet downloads are too slow to fill the cache, even if it was a large enough download.

[indigo arch]

Ok internet download non issue

From this drive to another drive it would read from this drive to write to the other then?
I know it's probably dumb questions but still nice to understand either way

[blazing musk]

Copying from drive to drive, you'd use the read speed off one drive and the cache/write speed on the target drive

It'll go the speed of whichever spec is lower

[indigo arch]

Ok yep makes sense

[cloud shell]

Anyone have experience with the MSI SPATIUM ssds?

[blazing musk]

The ones that are getting bundled with Shuffle stuff now? Pretty new model

[cloud shell]

Yea, thats the one

I got one of those bundles, but I'm trying to decide if it is worth it or not

[blazing musk]

Chances are not worth it, but since gen 4 drives are a hard requirement for storage in the new consoles might be ok for that or easy enough to resell.

[cloud shell]

Yea, it comes out to ~$1450 for a 3080 + 1tb ssd

doesnt quite work value wise

[sour wadi]

Do you mean 3080 ti?

If so, nice

If not, hell no

[cloud shell]

Oh, cant send pictures here, but I wish

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4338459

[sour wadi]

And it's a ventus

[blazing musk]

So $1100 for a 3080... oof

[sour wadi]

Hellllllll no

[cloud shell]

Yea, pretty much

[sour wadi]

I think you'd almost be cheaper buying scalped and getting a good model lmao

[cloud shell]

I could get the same card off stockx shipped for the same price as the bundle

I guess I'd get an ssd this way, but still

pretty bad

[torn palm]

@sour wadi get a ventus then liquid cool it?

lol

[blazing musk]

Depends on if there's a block that fits

afaik there's still no universal mount for 30 series

[real lava]

^

also it gets expensive fast

[silk trout]

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-1tb/p/N82E16820331417 is this good

[blazing musk]

Yes that is one of the better budget drives

[kind sierra]

It's here

[olive wadi]

[kind sierra]

Macronix is working on getting some ready for full production

https://www.techdesignforums.com/blog/2020/12/17/macronix-3d-nor-flash-iedm/
Quick overview of the deets if you're interested

[sour wadi]

Custom water cooling aint cheap

[olive wadi]

oh wait dont care this is 3d and not 3d nor

[kind sierra]

Read it again

[olive wadi]

its and flash

not nor

i hate it even more

[kind sierra]

Are you aware that and flash and nor flash are identical except for one stores a high voltage state for a one and the other stores a low voltage state?

Some minor other control differences to account for that too, but those aren't really important

Basic logic though

Straight up silicon level nor doesn't really work with stacking

Using and lets you stack it and get the same functionality after a quick bit flip

[olive wadi]

nand/nor/and are named by the relationship between the bit line and the word line voltage-wise

[kind sierra]

Correct

And and and nor are identical expect for a flipped voltage, that's just basic logic

[olive wadi]

and that flipped voltage means its and, which means its not nor.

[kind sierra]

But it's functionally identical, so it doesn't really matter

[olive wadi]

which means my dream of 3d nor is ruined

[olive wadi]

i think you are missing the point

[kind sierra]

Silicon level 3D nor will likely never happen

[olive wadi]

[kind sierra]

3D and is essentially the same exact thing though

[olive wadi]

i guess i'll get back to the lab working on ya'll flash, and yain't flash

[olive wadi]

still doesn't ring off the tongue like 3d nor

[kind sierra]

Is that all you want it for?

[olive wadi]

100%

[kind sierra]

wtf

You're joking

[olive wadi]

do you think i care about legit functionality like bit addressibility?

[kind sierra]

okay

cool

3D and has that

[olive wadi]

i know, and i dont care

it's not 3d nor 😭

[kind sierra]

Yes it is

[olive wadi]

No, it's 3d and

[kind sierra]

Just assume a one is a zero and vice versa

Once you assume that and becomes nor

Basic logic

[olive wadi]

im not being very serious sir

[kind sierra]

No you aren't

[olive wadi]

flash memory is garbage replace with pcm

[olive wadi]

are you talking about the state of the cell vs the bit value lol im not following

i just know that with nand flash uncharged cft=bit value of 1

[kind sierra]

Either

[olive wadi]

🤯

[kind sierra]

You familiar with boolean algebra at all?

[olive wadi]

perhaps slightly nnot at all, but the flash naming scheme is literally just about which wire is pulled low or high lol

nand flash is called nand because all word lines must be pulled high for the bit line to be pulled low which resembles all inputs being 1 to equal 0 which equals nand logic function 🤯

[limpid snow]

That’s literally what I’m learning in my computer systems class.

And bit manipulation in C.

[olive wadi]

and flash would be all word lines pulled low for the bit line to be pulled low???

[kind sierra]

And any line needs to be low for the line to be low

Nor any line needs to be high for the line to be high

Put an inverter at the input and output of an and gate and you get an or gate, and vice versa

[olive wadi]

the current must flow

[kind sierra]

Indeed

[torn palm]

true that

[barren rock]

is there non custom water cooling

[minor sun]

then you have to just buy a graphics card that already came with an aio

3090 kinpin for example

or like evga's 3080 hybrid for another example

[barren rock]

i see

[minor sun]

otherwise

you have to remove the current cooler and install a new block to get liquid cooling on your card

[barren rock]

makes sense

[torn palm]

what about the hybrid kit from evga?

[minor sun]

Still have to remove cooler and install new block, also wouldn't fit, question was about a 3080 ventus at first.

[torn palm]

oh yeah you right

[ionic thunder]

is it ok to put some games in hard disc

[sour wadi]

yes ofc

theyll just be bit slower to load

id try put most played games on ssd tho

[real lava]

^

[small steppe]

! Ander#7356 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

! Ander#7356 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[devout tulip]

Hey so im@having trouble with booting speed and my games will not load such as rainbow six siege granted I do have a hard drive but it has never been this bad would anyone maybe knwo my problem I’ve tired cleaning updating everything and still no luck

[dense merlin]

My guy

I gave you a step by step in the other chat

[devout tulip]

I know I switched chats because I was in the wrong one

[dense merlin]

Why tho, you already had the answer

[devout tulip]

I did it after you said the chat was wrong didn’t see the first part

[dense merlin]

Ah

[daring swan]

I got an SSD and I don't have any screws, do I need to screw down my SSD?

[torpid adder]

not really

flop

no spinning disk to shock from clattering around

[blazing musk]

They're not vibration sensitive like HDDs so it's fine

[minor sun]

Screw down your m.2 drive yes

[torpid adder]

yeah that too

[daring swan]

Quite weird that I wasn't provided with a screw

[torpid adder]

it should have been included with your board

I think

[daring swan]

I got a prebuilt PC

[blazing musk]

Contact them and make them send you a screw if it's a M.2 drive

They should have included a spare part bag but I guess they're cheap

[sour wadi]

for m.2s comes with motherboard , fore 2.5" usually case

[torpid adder]

what are m.2 screws called?

I guess just m.2 screws

[daring swan]

Apparently I thought the screw was a hole you're supposed to put a screw in

[blazing musk]

There's a standoff on the board, then you put the screw into the standoff

[daring swan]

I figured it out

[open gazelle]

Not really expensive either if ya get dem Bykski kits

[sour wadi]

How much do they cost?

[open gazelle]

think its like $300 for CPU/GPU nickelplated kit, 240+360 rads, heck ton of RGB

[sour wadi]

Not terrible

[open gazelle]

CPU blocks and rads are meh, not the best. GPU blocks are good usually. Fans are meh but not terrible if you know how to control them manually and set at decent fan speeds

[fathom siren]

I just updated some drivers using Bit Driver Updater and now my m.2 isnt showing up anywhere, can anyone help me out?

[blazing musk]

Please tell me you didn't pay for that or anything

[fathom siren]

i did not

was testing out free version

[blazing musk]

Ok well your first step is to uninstall that

Many of those things are bundled with viruses and spyware

The only "reviews" I see are from sites where you can pay for a favorable review

[fathom siren]

its gone now

[blazing musk]

Ok, bring up device manager and let me know if there's any issues there

[fathom siren]

Well my m.2 doesnt show up anymore

thats an issue

everything else is fine

[blazing musk]

It probably modified the storage driver

[fathom siren]

i think the problem was that it updated a storage controller possibly

[blazing musk]

Yeah, what motherboard is it?

[fathom siren]

these are the things i updated

shoot i cropped out the storage part

[blazing musk]

3 of those 4 are storage related

[fathom siren]

standard NVME express controller

[blazing musk]

But easy to fix installing the proper driver

[fathom siren]

thats what it said

Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard

wait

i showed hidden devices and my m.2 is there

[blazing musk]

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/03CHIPSET/DRV_Chipset_AMD_AM4_SZ_TSD_W10_64_V21126106_20210202R.zip

[fathom siren]

in disk drives

[blazing musk]

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/05SATA/DRV_RAID_AMD_RAID_Driver_TSD_W10_64_V930266_20210507R.zip

Those 2 driver sets cover the majority of storage interfaces

[blazing musk]

So it's detected but the OS decided it wasn't working, still driver issue

[fathom siren]

its showing in my file manager

now

but it has a ?

its in quick access

[blazing musk]

It's set to A: ? Don't touch it

[fathom siren]

https://gyazo.com/79cf3102cf7a18f890ea27e00ae0c620

[blazing musk]

Oh the "?"

Yeah that's driver still

[olive wadi]

local man installs and runs garbage, breaks computer

[fathom siren]

only shows up in quick access

[fathom siren]

pain

[olive wadi]

i thought most people knew not to run "driver updaters" lol

[fathom siren]

i definitely should have done more research

@blazing musk , what do i do with those files

theres a lot going on in them

[olive wadi]

certified nuke windows moment

[fathom siren]

i looked at the properties on the drive in device manager and it says its not connected to the computer

but i know it is

[blazing musk]

The first one you'll run asussetup.exe

The second one is just straight driver files to be installed from device manager

[fathom siren]

alright

[blazing musk]

Maybe we should pin this as an example lol

Don't feel too bad though act, I've seen much worse

[fathom siren]

yeah, i was just looking for a quick fix to my internet problems

[blazing musk]

Wifi https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/08WIRELESS/DRV_WiFi_Intel_SZ_TSD_W10_64_V217006_20200312R.zip
LAN https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/04LAN/DRV_LAN_Realtek_8111x_SZ_TSD_W10_64_V10425262020_20200717R.zip

BIOS https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/BIOS/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS-WIFI-ASUS-4021.ZIP

That solves 95% of net problems

[fathom siren]

i hope it does

wait how do i install those driver files

like what do i update with those files

[blazing musk]

From the second set?

[fathom siren]

yes

[blazing musk]

Extract them, go into device manager, and right click each of your storage controllers. Tell it to update driver, and tell it to search the folders you extracted to.

[fathom siren]

alright imma restart now

brb

[blazing musk]

@fathom sirenHow's it going? Hoping your PC actually managed to reboot

[fathom siren]

Lol, haven't gotten to restart yet, someone called on discord about some important stuff

[blazing musk]

Oh ok, phew I was hoping it wasn't bricked or something

[fathom siren]

@blazing musk still not there

its odd

is standard NVME express controller supposed to be in storage controllers?

[blazing musk]

Yes it is

[fathom siren]

thats gotta be the problem

how do i get that back

i have amd-raid bottom device

and microsoft storage spaces controller

[blazing musk]

Ok, little bit of a long shot but we'll try Windows Update

Head into settings, update and security

Check for updates, and wait for it to finish

Then once it's done view optional updates

There's a category for driver updates

[fathom siren]

should i do all of them

[blazing musk]

May as well, shouldn't hurt anything

[fathom siren]

still not there

its odd

its really just gone

[blazing musk]

Ok, go back into device manager and right click > uninstall the amd-raid controller

[fathom siren]

amd raid bottom device right?

[blazing musk]

Yes

[fathom siren]

delete driver software for this device?

[blazing musk]

Yes

[fathom siren]

done

[blazing musk]

Then reboot and once you're back in tell it to update driver, searching automatically including online

[fathom siren]

no luck

its so weird how its just my m.2 though

[blazing musk]

It has a separate interface so it's not completely unusual

[fathom siren]

ah

can i just download the standard nvm express controller somewhere

[blazing musk]

Ok, one more thing to try. Open an admin command prompt and enter
Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth

[blazing musk]

Yes but also no

[fathom siren]

no corruption

[blazing musk]

Thought as much. Worth a try.

Go back into device manager, tell it to update the controller again

Browse, then let me pick

Tell me what shows there

[fathom siren]

https://gyazo.com/2c016d659c2753f2ff3ca90106fd8db5

woaahhhh

is this what we have been looking for

[blazing musk]

Yeah tell it the standard controller and hit next

[fathom siren]

omg

it has returned

you are my hero

[blazing musk]

Great! Glad we got it figured out

[fathom siren]

i saw that someone had the same problem

where they updated drivers and it changed to that and broke their stuff

but just reverting their update fixed it, but i couldnt do that

Uhm, hey fal'cie

could you try and help me with my network problems

been trying to fix it for a while

no ones been able to

you seem to have the magic touch

[blazing musk]

Sure, what's the issue exactly?

I don't know about magic lol

[fathom siren]

Im supposed to be getting like 400+ download

but im only getting 30-60

my upload is fine

this computer was built last christmas

[blazing musk]

How's your signal? What is between the computer and the router?

[fathom siren]

the weirdest part, is that this exact thing happened to my old computer

i live in a small house

its literally one small room the size of a walk in closet between them

the hallway is right next to the router and my pc is near my door

its not far at all

[blazing musk]

So just a couple walls

[fathom siren]

2 if even that really

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ACTPlays/saved/#view=7X6LsY heres my parts if that helps any

[blazing musk]

First things first, update the drivers and bios like I linked earlier

[fathom siren]

alright

lemme download those things

[blazing musk]

BIOS you'll probably need to copy to a flash drive and run the flash tool from within BIOS

It'll reset your settings to default

[fathom siren]

rip lol

[blazing musk]

You can snap pics of your custom settings to make it easier to reset them

[fathom siren]

do i just run asus setup on the wifi one

[blazing musk]

Yes

[fathom siren]

restart now?

[blazing musk]

Go ahead yeah

[fathom siren]

okay so wifi and lan thing didnt fix it

[blazing musk]

Ok, extract the bios update to a flash drive and head into bios. Make sure to write down or snap pics of custom settings, then go into the flash tool.

[fathom siren]

Uh oh

@blazing musk

No more boot

It's posting into safe mode

[blazing musk]

Is that after bios update?

[fathom siren]

Yes

Are you able to call and help me out with bios settings, I'm not an expert with them

If not that's okay, I just don't know what's wrong with them

Like should I change my Sata mode or enable nvme raid mode

[fathom siren]

This stuff wild

Welp, lowering my 4400 ram from 3800 to 3600 seemed to make it boot

[blazing musk]

That looked like an OC failure yeah, after an update you might need to redo some of those memory settings

[fathom siren]

i changed them to what they were before

dont seem to work anymore

rip

[blazing musk]

You probably need to play with voltages and resistances to get it stable again

[fathom siren]

i have no idea how to do that

i probably shouldnt have bought 4400mhz ram lol

i wasnt thinking right when i got it

[plush crag]

Those aren't terrible sticks, just not worth much more than $100 or so

[blazing musk]

Our resident oc expert is here, nice

[fathom siren]

I would hire someone to do it for me, too bad im broke atm

[blazing musk]

You can start by setting SoC to 1.05v and VDDP/VDDG to 1.0v

You can go a little higher if needed

[fathom siren]

i feel like doing something like this over chat would be very time confusing

Let's give it a try tho

[blazing musk]

Too bad bios doesn't support streaming lol

[plush crag]

Run them 3600 14 14 14 28 @ 1.4v to start

[fathom siren]

If you're down

[plush crag]

Run some tm5 with anta777 or the memory test of your choice to test stability

[plush crag]

That's why I use a capture card to stream oc lol

[fathom siren]

I've never done this before so I have no choice

[blazing musk]

Trust in the power of the forks

[fathom siren]

I am

Should I turn off docp

And set to manual

[plush crag]

Yeah

You'll probably get more help in the #overclocking channel

[fathom siren]

Man I have no idea how to do this

This isn't something I can do over text

Rip

[plush crag]

Well, you'll get most of the benefit turning on xmp, then just changing the 4400 to 3600 in bios, that's it

Figure out the timings later if you want

[fathom siren]

also @blazing musk , internet still bad lol

[blazing musk]

https://tenor.com/view/tableflip-cat-angry-mad-gif-3552726

[fathom siren]

its unfix-able

im doomed to have bad internet

just my pc tho

[blazing musk]

There's fixes but some involve spending money

[fathom siren]

like

[plush crag]

starlink, bro

[fathom siren]

its not my provider

just my pc is getting bad speeds

[blazing musk]

Nah he gets 400 down but only like 60 over wifi

[fathom siren]

i got the full speeds for like 3 months after building this thing

then it started buggin like my old pc

[blazing musk]

Do you have android phone?
Is the antenna directly attached to the pc or on a wire?

[fathom siren]

wire

also i have oneplus 7t

[blazing musk]

Move the antenna higher and make sure it's tight

[plush crag]

A 100 meter cat6 cable isn't that pricey

[fathom siren]

no change

ethernet doesnt fix

its pc problem

[plush crag]

strange

[fathom siren]

well ethernet didnt fix it on my last pc at least

and it seems to be the same problem

[plush crag]

Man, we need to reinstate the networking channel

We used to have one

[blazing musk]

We've just been using #electronics

[fathom siren]

that would be helpful

[blazing musk]

Maybe a router reset would help, if it's a recurring issue

[fathom siren]

i would think its the router if it was all devices

but its just the pc

and the router has been factory reset multiple times

with updates ran

[blazing musk]

Yeah it could have a bad config for a single device, I've seen it happen

[fathom siren]

also we've used 2 different ones

[blazing musk]

But if you reset it before it's not that...

[plush crag]

Bad cable maybe

[fathom siren]

im on wifi now

also we thought that it was bad cable and got rid of it

rip

currently running speedtest on phone and pc at same time

PC: Download = 34.04 Upload = 15
Phone: Download = 442 Upload = 12.4

those are really bad upload speeds for what i usually get

odd

just ran it again on pc and im getting 64.87 d and 22 u on pc

[spark warren]

i bought 2 980 pros expecting to run them in raid 0
should i do it now or no
the only benefit im gonna get is flexing i think

[sour wadi]

No

Don't raid ssds

[spark warren]

but flex on friends ;-;
ok

[minor sun]

Losing data is fun isn't it

[dense merlin]

Can confirm

I corrupted my windows and had to delete 2tb of stuff

[surreal shuttle]

I have an sk hynix gold s31 sata and I really like it so far :D

[undone elk]

so I bought the
ABS Master Gaming PC - Intel i5 11400F - GeForce RTX 2060 - 16GB DDR4 3000MHz - 512GB Intel M.2 NVMe SSD build and I was wondering what HDD's are compatible with the cables provided in the build and what else I might need to get in installed IE cables I would need to purchase and whatnot. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
also what size HDD because I purchased a 1tb seagate Barracuda HDD and it did not fit in the tray nor where the cables compatible.

[daring swan]

Apparently to mount an SSD that looks like a stick of gum, you need to insert another screw in the standoff screw. Can I just mount the SSD with just the standoff screw, since I don't have a screw to put into the standoff screw?

[blazing musk]

Not without bending the SSD

[daring swan]

that's rather unfortunate

I thought that I had lost the screw in the box my SSD came in, since I thought it came with a screw

[compact oracle]

Unfortunately there's certain rules for international trade that need to be followed, and some result in costs exceeding the profit from each item so it's hard to justify delivering to those places

[small steppe]

$$mo paz$$#5281 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[daring swan]

Why did you post the same message repeatedly?

[blazing musk]

Probably just a mistake

[daring swan]

happens a lot, no idea why

[kind sierra]

Two generals problem

[stiff pier]

so... with so many companies getting into trouble with swapping components.. Who would be the most trustworthy SSD maker now? Because I'm trying to find a new boot drive, preferably an m.2 one, and i'm kinda lost right now..

[spark warren]

umm

[upper quiver]

P31 still a safe bet I presume?

[serene laurel]

It better be, I just ordered one

[upper quiver]

haven't heard any component swapping news on it yet so

[serene laurel]

Yet…

If all the changes were well documented or the product given a new name, it would be fine. Just not knowing is not ideal

[paper arrow]

i mean skhynix makes the nand i dont see them swapping for worse nand and its not like their products are cheap or well known outside of enthusiasts

[serene laurel]

True

[real lava]

Samsung has swapped controller on 980 tho

Slapped the 980 pro's one inside

[olive wadi]

WHAT

samsung has swapped controller on the 970 evo plus*

980 is still pablo

[olive wadi]

no one cares about ssd hardware swaps but angry redditors lol

[red jay]

is there a problem with ssd 970 Samsung plus?

[olive wadi]

no

[red jay]

oh that's good then cause I'll be using the ssd for my build xD

[olive wadi]

it's just a bad ssd choice

🤯

[red jay]

Why?

Whitch ssd is better at lower or same price as 970 EVO plus?

[sour wadi]

I'd go pilot e(depending on region)

[minor sun]

sk hynix p31 cute

[sour wadi]

Or p31 if want to spend like 130 lol

[olive wadi]

p31 gold 🤯

[red jay]

aight I'll check it out later.

[olive wadi]

he asked if it was better lol

[olive wadi]

don't check it out, just assume im right

source: trust me

[minor sun]

lol

[red jay]

nty

[olive wadi]

just cross reference with the pinned tier list which i have absolutely nothing to do with

[minor sun]

p31 review
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sk-hynix-gold-p31-m2-nvme-ssd-review/3

[sour wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-14744673

[olive wadi]

@plush crag can you please update the pinned tier list to the supported version which is linked within it thank you very much

[blazing musk]

Since Forks is offline

Updated SSD buying guides and tier list, WIP
https://github.com/windshields/Gamezoid-SSD-buying-guide

[barren rock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HFgQzy/seagate-exos-enterprise-16-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st16000nm004g

imagine this for gaming

[blazing musk]

I've seen it, works fine for that. You can store a whole 10 installations of CoD games on it

[barren rock]

more tho i need more XD

its also SAS 12G/s

faster than an SSD i believe

[blazing musk]

The interface is twice the speed of sata but it won't actually go that fast

[barren rock]

welp i think its used by streamers

to save videos and edits

[blazing musk]

SAS SSDs, now those things fly

[glacial jolt]

good budget m.2 nvme drive? pilot e? I'm helping out a US friend so it'll be us market

[blazing musk]

That or SN550

[glacial jolt]

gotcha

[spark warren]

store

[olive wadi]

lol are you higher than a giraffes private parts

[olive wadi]

lol >editing video on HDD

[olive wadi]

that's 12 gigaBIT per second 🤯

and SAS HDD's can't even saturate that lollllll

PCIE 3.0 X4 (NVME SSD's) can do 3.94 gigaBYTEs per second

[minor sun]

also some overhead

[olive wadi]

that's about 31 gigabit/s loll

[olive wadi]

🤯

which big streamers on gods green earth are editing their videos on an hdd lol

they must hate their lives

ive benchmarked my sas exos and iirc they hit around 250-300mb/s but i forget

doesn't really matter because all hdds suck

[minor sun]

imagine running a crap ton of hdds in raid 0 somehow

with an extremely fast interconnect

[olive wadi]

i mean that's basically describing some raid 5 set ups except they have redundancy aswell

you write to all drives at once still for that performance

[minor sun]

raid 5 has the extra parity calculation tho

iirc

[olive wadi]

but it probably does not matter

raid 0 is cringe

[minor sun]

but raid 0 is max perf

[olive wadi]

anyone who thinks raid 0 isn't cringe is probably 12

[minor sun]

I hate raid 0 but it's theoretically max perf

raid 10 can be fun tho

[olive wadi]

except for the latency penalty you create 🤯

only good for cdm flex

[minor sun]

in case of hdd, dat why I said this

[olive wadi]

wdym you still have to go through hardware or software raid control creating penalty

NVME 2.0 supports HDDS though so 😎

[minor sun]

hm

was thinking about hardware raid but wouldn't just speedy asf interconnect w good controller make the latency impact negligible?

[olive wadi]

DONT KNOW dont care 😎 latency will still suck ass because it's a spinning disk

[plush crag]

The more disks you have, the closer raid 5 will perform vs raid 0. But... that's a silly config.

ZFS or 1+0, or raid6 are probably better fits for any use case

[blazing musk]

Put 8 SAS SSDs into a system and run raid 10 4x4

48gb bandwidth with full redundancy

[barren rock]

storage bruh for saving edits

not editing

[pallid orchid]

Wot

[pallid orchid]

Thats where an ssd excells at

[barren rock]

for storage not editing

[pallid orchid]

Yes

[barren rock]

not running programs

[pallid orchid]

Thats what an ssd excells at

[barren rock]

then why do hdds exist

[pallid orchid]

You hitting the ssd with a single large file

Thats where you can actually see the advertised speed

[pallid orchid]

Cheap bulk storage

[barren rock]

._. whats the largest ssd in the market in terms of capacity?

[spark warren]

i liek flexing
would putting ssds in raid 0 then back to normal erase data?

[barren rock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2tZFf7/seagate-nytro-enterprise-1536-tb-25-solid-state-drive-xs15360se70103

sheeeeesh

[pallid orchid]

https://nimbusdata.com/products/exadrive/specifications/

100TB

@barren rock

[barren rock]

holy moly

[pallid orchid]

it also costs 40,000 USD

[barren rock]

chokes

pardon?

[pallid orchid]

which makes hdds great for bulk storage

[olive wadi]

yes

[olive wadi]

That’s what a nas is for

[olive wadi]

sas hdd is faster than an ssd at literally nothing lmao

[serene laurel]

Windshields 28 means only for long term storage of lots of large files, they didn’t say it was faster than ssd, the only thing better is price per gb

[olive wadi]

they did say it's faster than an SSD 🤯

you can't gaslight me

[serene laurel]

“Believed”. He didn’t know. He was corrected.

[minor sun]

tape better for mass storage >:D

[serene laurel]

Tape sooo expensive tho

[minor sun]

sooooo good for mass storage

iirc fairly cheap

[serene laurel]

Yeah, I guess for that large an amount of storage, it’s gonna be super expensive. Probably cheaper than all the others too, but still so much money

*for that many terabytes

[barren rock]

i wasnt sure, i was obviously making sure bruh

i asked that like +12 hours ago

[olive wadi]

[barren rock]

drop it already jesus get a life

[olive wadi]

[barren rock]

RAWR helped me before you smh

you literally came back after 12 hours to start again

we get it, i was wrong

enjoy the victory

[olive wadi]

what are you talking about

[barren rock]

idk

[olive wadi]

they said you didn't say something that you did say and all i did was just show that you say it

🤯

[barren rock]

nice

[olive wadi]

[minor sun]

Just windshields things

[olive wadi]

I CC'ed the SSD tier list 🤯

[minor sun]

Oh yea fal'cie pinned the new one

[pallid orchid]

I didnt help you. I too called you out on ur bs.

[tidal flint]

what would yall say is the best 3.5" 4tb drive for like bulk storage? 7200 rpm is what im looking for. right now im looking at the Toshiba x300 4tb.

[plush crag]

Whatever's on sale

[olive wadi]

@blazing musk https://github.com/windshields/Gamezoid-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/DRAMless.md something new im working on

working on one for QLC aswell

basically just trying to get rid of some SSD buying myths

Also WIP is an official methodology for the SSD tier list

[minor sun]

What, you're making it stand for something other than work in progress? @olive wadi

[olive wadi]

an official methodology is being worked on

[minor sun]

ohhh

lmao

[olive wadi]

for the most part it's just been analyzing performance graphs, comparing to other drives, categorizing

going to try and get some hard numbers set.

But it's pretty difficult with SSD's.

[minor sun]

true

many different statistics

peak seq, sustained seq, rnd, etc

[olive wadi]

might end up in a situation where you're relying on single number spitters when the situation could be represented differently say through storagereviews methodology

this is the rough draft for budget

[minor sun]

o yea are you going to do a min pslc cache size

or recovery speed/time

[olive wadi]

Absolutely not

[olive wadi]

May be considered

lol...the thing is probably no.

Because the A2000 had serious cache recovery issues up to the new firmware

But was still the overall strongest performer in budget

[minor sun]

maybe just for high end drives (gen 4 stuff and such)

[olive wadi]

Yes, I think cache recovery time will be taken into account in the high end and mid end

but it's like...normally not an issue

the higher end controllers don't have as many problems as the sm2263 lol

[minor sun]

tru

[olive wadi]

have you seen the intel 660p performance on release

[minor sun]

isn't 665p bad too

[minor sun]

also, does any drive really have issues with just write latency?

[olive wadi]

660P and 665P recently got booted from the tier list because i decided they are too old and its too tricky to find benchmarks for them with enough info

[olive wadi]

no one cares about write latency lol

[minor sun]

yea

[olive wadi]

it's honestly just not a metric that i think matters at all

[minor sun]

am confused on why it's a metric in there

[olive wadi]

[minor sun]

boot dat req

also, perhaps warranty/tbw rating thing might be worthwhile?

[olive wadi]

No, I'm not going to take warranty into account

It's up to consumers to decide what warranty they are looking for

modern SSDs are reliable

[minor sun]

aight

[olive wadi]

anyways

The intel 660p that storagereviews got on launch im pretty sure was completely borked

[minor sun]

fun

[olive wadi]

went to the pee pee poo poo realm instantly

[minor sun]

lol

what the heck

[minor sun]

is 660p trying to sign on the chart

like

[olive wadi]

quite apparantly

anyways

[minor sun]

what the heck

[olive wadi]

pretty sure it was fixed because they had it in later benchmarks and it was performing as expected

[minor sun]

loop de loops

[blazing musk]

Those charts look like a 3 year old scribbled on them

[olive wadi]

@blazing musk just realized the link has been changed yet again since i changed my username on github

https://github.com/windshields/Gamezoid-SSD-buying-guide just linking this might be a good idea

since it will include all of the updated documents

[blazing musk]

Can do

Fixed

[olive wadi]

thanks my gamer

[steep abyss]

will an ssd help with fps in video games?

[pallid orchid]

no

just loading times

unless you have windows and the game installed on the same hard disk

[steep abyss]

yes

i have exactly that

2tb with everything on my pc on it

2tb hard drive

[pallid orchid]

yeah get an ssd for windows and have all ur games on the hdd you have rn

[steep abyss]

would that improve gameplay?

like stutters and stuff?

[plush crag]

Should just give windshields his own pinned post in this channel so he can update and add when he pleases tbh.

[steep abyss]

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/46062941

[pallid orchid]

yuck

[steep abyss]

heres my user benchmark, based on this i should get a ssd right?

bruh

wym yuck

[blazing musk]

We can do that next time he updates the link

[steep abyss]

is something wrong

[pallid orchid]

get it out of here

userbenchmark sucks

[steep abyss]

3d benc

[pallid orchid]

it doesnt test anything

[steep abyss]

3d bench/

?

[pallid orchid]

userbenchmark is just bad

[blazing musk]

UBM is kinda bad for basically everything

[plush crag]

It's useful for diagnostics and for comparing obscure parts

[steep abyss]

dfamn

[blazing musk]

Yeah it's ok if you're comparing like to like, but it's so biased it's hilarious

[steep abyss]

dayum

thats thats tuff

[blazing musk]

https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg

[steep abyss]

LMFAO

[blazing musk]

The short version, never compare nvidia to amd or amd to intel on that site, the results are intentionally skewed

[serene laurel]

Is user benchmark fair if you’re comparing say, intel i5 10400 cpu to the other i5 10 gen? Or should it really be completely avoided. Just wondering

[dense merlin]

User benchmark is absolutely awful

I just got here so maybe I misunderstood the question

But never use it for anything

[sour wadi]

Just no

Use https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php for cpus or https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php for gpus

[serene laurel]

Ah thanks. I was just wondering if you were comparing apples to apples would it be fair, but those sites are good.

[warped rampart]

ew

passmark 🤢

just use techpowerup

or techspot

or tom's

[sour wadi]

Passmark for the most part is accurate, gives them easier comparison

[warped rampart]

prefer real world benchmarks by far

much more accurate/relevant

[sour wadi]

Yes, not always possible/they cba

[warped rampart]

wdym

cba

[serene laurel]

Tomshardware?

[warped rampart]

ye

[sour wadi]

Cant be arsed

[warped rampart]

ah

[plush crag]

Here's how and why I find usebenchmark useful

Let's say I'm shopping for bulk lots of OEM no-name ssd's on ebay, usebench is a convenient database for checking those SKUs against a drive whose performance I'm familiar with.

https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-SM841-25--7mm-128GB-vs-Crucial-MX500-250GB/m5663vs3951

This is the section I pay attention to, disregard the rest of their numbers.
https://i.imgur.com/Hah3NIS.png

To a much lesser extent - I find the same comparisons still useful for comparing raw number crunching performance between something like 4x opteron 6378's to a single 2700x - for say, blender. Not useful for much else.

[minor sun]

Tbh, if it's the ONLY place you can find data from, sure, some data is better than no data, but often, you can find better data from actual reviewers

[serene laurel]

How can you tell when reviewers are/are not getting paid to write reviews? Are there some sites that are all independent

[sour wadi]

Toms HW is pretty good at drives

[olive wadi]

well now it's just a link to the universal guide 🤯

[plush crag]

They often get free review samples, but it'd be obvious if they cooked the data

[serene laurel]

Ok so just cross reference

[olive wadi]

"How can you tell when reviewers are/are not getting paid to write reviews" reviewers are paid 🤯 it's a job

[serene laurel]

I’ve just never read a truly negative review, they all are mostly positive

[olive wadi]

Whether or not they are paid by the ssd company is a different story, typically most publishers won't allow their reviewers to be paid by anyone but the publisher themself

[serene laurel]

I mean paid by the company

[olive wadi]

never read an intel 660p review

[serene laurel]

That’s good

[serene laurel]

Why, are they biased or horrible

[olive wadi]

because its slow

and was the first qlc consoomer ssd so it got poop reviews

and was kind of broken on release

sm2263 firmware moment

[serene laurel]

Well I wont be buying one then

[plush crag]

They were really cheap though, $82 / 1TB in 2019

[serene laurel]

That’s pretty good

[olive wadi]

firmware was fixed a while ago but it's EOL 🤯

[serene laurel]

Good to know 🤯

[sour wadi]

Not that much anymore, but mp33 is like 83/84$ for 1tb soo

[dark raven]

I’m new to upgrading/building PCs and last year I bought my first prebuilt knowingly sacrifice hard drive space for performance under the notion that a HD is cheaper to upgrade..not taking into account the fact I know nothing about what brand/model to choose that isn’t going to cause problems with my software or hardware (I.e) overheating or power consumption issue. Everything I’ve managed to find on google talks about how to install a new HD but nothing about the selection process.

Sorry for the long message I’m just hoping someone here can shine a little light on the issue or atleast post a link sending me in the right direction. Thanks In advance!

[blazing musk]

If you're playing games or booting from the HDD, get Seagate barracuda 7200 rpm.
If you're just using it for storage, western digital blue 5400 rpm.
A SSD is highly recommended in modern systems. Most motherboards and even laptops have M.2 slots to put drives in, they're really tiny.

[dark raven]

When I looked up that HD on Newegg it told me there was a newer version of it is there a big difference between the two? And I plan on getting an SSD as well but atm I need the new HD first as a few more friends have gotten back into pc gaming so we are constantly getting new games to try and I’m getting tired of having to pick and choose 3 “big” games I can have on my system along with any little “time killer “ games I find while browsing steam at 3am lol

[blazing musk]

There's no major changes between the versions. The 2TB barracuda is one of the best price per TB drives right now with 7200 rpm.

@unkempt dirge This is not the place for those links, and that song has too many curse words for this server.

[pallid orchid]

falcie one of the 2 models is 5400rpm

the other is 7200

learned that one the hard way

[hollow pelican]

I feel one of my hdd not spinning properly it stutters and one is makes a clicking sound when i boot in it takes very long to go to windows my windows is in a ssd

[kind sierra]

Any quick thoughts on the team group z440?

[minor sun]

it's just a run of the mill phison e16 drive from first glance

[minor sun]

think of the original rocket 4, before the rocket 4 plus

[kind sierra]

Really? It seems to be doing much better than that in the numbers I'm seeing

This is from guru3d, other places are reporting similar but without the nice picture to copy

Still well within e16 territory, but the random r/w is showing as a lot higher than the rocket 4

[plush crag]

cdm is a best case benchmark

[spark warren]

what drive

[minor sun]

it still an e16 drive, perhaps a bit higher random r/w, random read numbers from tom's hardware here

[kind sierra]

That's the c440

Probably not that much of a difference though since they're theoretically the same drive

[minor sun]

O shoot, didn't realize

[kind sierra]

I'm pretty sure it's the same drive just with a ceramic heatsink, idk for sure though

[red jay]

Anyone have a surefire way that any human being with common sense can use to clone a drive

with a special request to copy EUFI data over too but i think it has its own partition so as long as they clone all partitions they should be fine

[limpid snow]

I mean.

You ever heard of clonezilla? @red jay

It’s literally a giant wizard to clone a drive

[red jay]

Oh god i hate clonezilla lol

[limpid snow]

[red jay]

i was gonna recommend macrium reflect

[limpid snow]

That’s the sure fire way.

I’ve never heard of that ngl.

[red jay]

Clonezilla was hard for me to understand and wouldn’t work for my case

[limpid snow]

Interesting.

[red jay]

Because the drive i had gotten an image for was 512 but only had 70gb used

[plush crag]

Clonezilla probably could work for your use case - but if you want a gui, macrium is great

[red jay]

and i wanted to clone to 256

[limpid snow]

I’ve never heard of clonezilla not working in someone’s case that includes cloning drives lol.

[red jay]

i guess clonezilla can’t do bigger image to smaller image / bigger drive to smaller drive cloning

macrium reflect can tho

[limpid snow]

Hmm, interesting. I didn’t know it couldn’t.

I suppose clonezilla would have to deal with the partition table of the drive and some other things for that to work.

Where clonezilla just don’t care, it just copies A to B.

[plush crag]

No, you just have to use the -icds flag

[red jay]

Yeeeah macrium reflect just more user friendly ig

Because even when i ignored partition table in clonezilla it still wouldn’t work

[olive wadi]

this looks like run of the mill e16 numbers

4k random looks on the better side though

the rocket 4 i benchmarked looks similar though, sean only tested the 500gb

[ebon lynx]

Hi fam, I'm looking to upgrade the hard drive on my ROG Strix G712LW_G712LW from a 500GB to a 1TB or more. Any recommendations?

[blazing musk]

https://github.com/windshields/Gamezoid-SSD-buying-guide

[real lava]

That laptop looks like it has sata bays only

wait nvm

I confused it for old model

Also ya that laptop has no hdd, only ssd

It does have 3 m.2 nvme slots at least

[sly sparrow]

Excuse me,
Which HDD is best?
Seagate or Western Digital?

[sour wadi]

For 2tb just get the cheapest, for 4tb I'd get a toshiba x300

Both segate and wd are fine

[sly sparrow]

For 1TB?

[sour wadi]

Not worth it 1tb drives are like 10$ less than 2tb

[sly sparrow]

Thats true

Anyways, Thanks

[sour wadi]

Np

[storm timber]

Question for the group. Should I get a second Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD as a backup drive or the Samsung 870 EVO 4TB SATA drive? The SATA drive is $200 more for the additional 2TB of storage, but the 980 Pro performs better and frees up a SATA port. Thoughts?

[kind sierra]

If it's just backup I'd recommend an external drive

Speed won't be that important

[storm timber]

So run with the 4TB Sata drive?

[sour wadi]

I'd just get a hdd for backup

[kind sierra]

Yeah, 2-4tb external hdd

Honestly even a 1tb would be enough with the right software

[olive wadi]

yea these results are almost identical to my sabrent rocket 4 testing all e16 drives perform the same

60mb/s seems to be the average for 4k qd1 random read with them

[kind sierra]

Yeah, I'm not really interested in that metric though, if I'm reading that little data it's gonna be basically instant anyway

[olive wadi]

adata s70 is king

[kind sierra]

4k with a decent sized queue is much more interesting to me

[kind sierra]

Just checked my backup drive, I have 2TB of data backed up, and my software has it compressed down to less than 100GB

[minor sun]

@olive wadi I don't really pay attention to sd cards or anything, but this seems interesting
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16938/silicon-motion-sm2708-sd-express-review-nvme-ssd-served-hot

[olive wadi]

NOT INNOGRIT PRODUCT DONT CARE

ADATA S70 IS KING

[minor sun]

Lol

[trim cloak]

those are ssd’s, not hard drives 🤨

[kind sierra]

Yes

Don't buy a 500GB harddrive

[trim cloak]

got it mr. boblasershark

[warped rampart]

@trim cloak JOSHJOSH

[trim cloak]

@warped rampart THAT’S ME NAEGIS

[warped rampart]

@trim cloak JOSHJO

[trim cloak]

@warped rampart NAEG

[minor sun]

Who dis

[warped rampart]

joshjosh

[trim cloak]

yea fr, how you not know

[minor sun]

Which joshjosh is this

[warped rampart]

joshjosh

idk he a guy i saw in bapo once who swatted me for not using the a60 in a parts list

then i joined lab and saw him there

[minor sun]

Oh boi

Were they in newmaxx tho

[kind sierra]

Y'all remember USERNAME?

[trim cloak]

LOL

now i have moved on to better things

c710 ftw now

[warped rampart]

is newmaxx server public?

[minor sun]

Should be

[trim cloak]

it’s on his sub

[minor sun]

Ya

[warped rampart]

k

[warped rampart]

more info please

[trim cloak]

uh wym

[warped rampart]

justify the recommendation

or

death

[trim cloak]

oh like info on the ssd?

just think of an ex900 you dingus

[minor sun]

Helix L is nice