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orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:51 PM

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I said it above, I don't say the brand is bad :))

past peak Mar 30, 2021, 9:51 PM

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it was in a drawer, that wasn't exactly wd's fault

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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No, I keep in that place broken drives.

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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why not toss them?

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moreover, how old are they?

olive wadi Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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what actually are the drives

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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a. Theoretically to retrieve the data =)) Although I don't need it anymore. b. So I know how many and whom failed me 😛

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Very old drives.

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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How did they fail?

olive wadi Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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orchid rock Very old drives.

Hard drives?

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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It's been more than 10 years since the last failure.

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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olive wadi Hard drives?

Yes

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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olive wadi Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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oh lol you're not buying WD ssds because WD hard drives failed you

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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Oh

olive wadi Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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ok

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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bruh

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10 year old HDDs are going to fail

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dumbass

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no offense

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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olive wadi oh lol you're not buying WD ssds because WD hard drives failed you

Yep, personal preference. I didn't say it is a good one :))

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Nor that the WD products are bad.

olive wadi Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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ok gamer

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you do you

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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nimble robin no offense

Mate, you got it wrong.

olive wadi Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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btw i don't recommend any of the ultra high-end SSDs

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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How can you say dumbass and say no offense

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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I have hardrives that I used to use +10 years ago.

olive wadi Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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they're just there if you really do want to burn money

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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That failed me 10 years ago, 12 years ago, etc.

olive wadi Mar 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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the guide is supposed to function as a "what you should expect the prices to be"

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:54 PM

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They weren't old harddrives

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Who the freckles uses 10 years old hard drives?

past peak Mar 30, 2021, 9:54 PM

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red jay How can you say dumbass and say no offense

fr bruh, woman moment

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:54 PM

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I don't mind :)) Sometimes I am jumpy myself.

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:54 PM

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past peak fr bruh, woman moment

stfu

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:54 PM

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People tend to overreact lots of times :))

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Myself included.

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Humans Fail no worries

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:55 PM

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orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Ia ti liublia

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Nu zaiat, nu pagadi.

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My extensive Russian comprised of 10-20 words 😄

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:56 PM

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rule 13

orchid rock Mar 30, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Of to sleep, peace and harmony.

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Silence fills this empty grave now that I have gone, but my mind is not at rest, for Questions linger on...

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 9:57 PM

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But I get you. 10 years is a long time. Even then, time doesn’t change the fact that a brand failed you. It’s only taking the risk to trusting them again, is all up to you. But I’ve only heard great things about WD as of now. Reason why a lot of people get them. But there’s lots of option nowadays anyways 🥲🤷🏽‍♂️

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:57 PM

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^this is dumb

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but ok

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 9:57 PM

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How? Explain?

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:58 PM

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most HDDs arent even rated for use after 10 years

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if you do get that kind of use out of them, you can consider yourself lucky

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 9:58 PM

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But he didn’t say it failed now. It failed him 10 years ago? Unless I’m understanding the situation wrong?

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:59 PM

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why would he keep an HDD for 10 years

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@orchid rock how long have you had the hdd

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Lol

olive wadi Mar 30, 2021, 9:59 PM

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obviously so he can one day recover his favorite episodes of everybody loves raymond

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 9:59 PM

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He kept in the drawer lol

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 9:59 PM

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which is a horrible place for an HDD

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 10:00 PM

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It failed him 10 years ago

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My understanding is it failed him 10 years ago, hence the drawer and him not trusting WD for a long time. Is that correct?

nimble robin Mar 30, 2021, 10:01 PM

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waiting

red jay Mar 30, 2021, 10:01 PM

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I think he went to sleep hehe

olive wadi Mar 31, 2021, 12:40 AM

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lol

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pee pee poo poo

red jay Mar 31, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Pepepopo

nimble robin Mar 31, 2021, 1:02 AM

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poopoopeepee

orchid rock Mar 31, 2021, 8:24 AM

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nimble robin <@!243456826589315072> how long have you had the hdd

Yes I went to sleep. Momomamo was right, those harddrives failed me 10 years ago and before, I haven't used* them for 10 years 😛 I have just said above that who the heck uses 10 years old drives :))

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I have them in the drawer for 10 years or more, depending on when they crashed :))

pallid orchid Mar 31, 2021, 8:29 AM

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orchid rock Yes I went to sleep. Momomamo was right, those harddrives failed me 10 years ago...

I have a 13 yr old 250gb drive in my pc to run linux

orchid rock Mar 31, 2021, 8:30 AM

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I might still have an old one in one of my pcs too :))

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Hard Disk Sentinel says they are fine tho

pallid orchid Mar 31, 2021, 8:30 AM

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I used to have an even older 80 gb drive

orchid rock Mar 31, 2021, 8:31 AM

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Huge 😄

pallid orchid Mar 31, 2021, 8:31 AM

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But it was just taking power at that point... 80 gigs wasnt worth it

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so I yeeted it

orchid rock Mar 31, 2021, 8:32 AM

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I have never checked that, do these old drive consume lots of power?

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Let me correct myself, the PC my father uses now for youtube, facebook and news is definitely old, so the drives are old too. They work fine for his needs

pallid orchid Mar 31, 2021, 8:35 AM

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orchid rock I have never checked that, do these old drive consume lots of power?

power to storage ratio

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wasnt worth letting it sit in the pc for only 80 gigs

olive wadi Mar 31, 2021, 4:21 PM

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📎 GAMEZOIDS_CONSOOMER_SSD_BUYING_GUIDE_WIP.txt

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yooo

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thats awesome

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they added a .txt thing

past peak Mar 31, 2021, 4:27 PM

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ah yes, now we can view gamezoid consoomer ssd buying guide wip without opening the file

olive wadi Mar 31, 2021, 4:54 PM

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past peak ah yes, now we can view gamezoid consoomer ssd buying guide wip without opening ...

finally

minor sun Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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Still makes me download it....

dusk turtle Mar 31, 2021, 7:10 PM

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On desktop there's an Expand button lower left

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Not sure about mobile

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Ah, doesn't work on mobile

minor sun Mar 31, 2021, 10:46 PM

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olive wadi

whoa that's great on desktop now, no need for gdrive, txt file good nuff now

vapid grail Apr 1, 2021, 4:06 AM

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If you guys need a good PCIe Gen4 drive for $100, the MP600 500GB for exactly $100 hits the mark, with enough storage for some games, OS, and critical applications, and is very fast with read speeds of almost 5 GB/s. For $100, this is probably in my opinion the gold standard for a budget drive. Yes, $100 seems like a lot, but for the stats put on the table, I expect to see these in a lot of budget builds.

dusk turtle Apr 1, 2021, 4:11 AM

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Why pay for gen 4 speeds when you can double your storage for the same money? You won't notice the difference between Gen 3 and 4 but you will notice the storage size.

vapid grail Apr 1, 2021, 4:20 AM

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If you are video editing (let's say, 1080p footage which does not take a lot of storage), this drive helps.

minor sun Apr 1, 2021, 4:22 AM

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You sure?

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Unless you're editing something like 8k raw, there's no way you're going to use anything near that much speed

dusk turtle Apr 1, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Not really, it helps with drive to drive transfers. Not much else.

minor sun Apr 1, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Like, remember the speeds you're getting on a gen 4 drive versus a gen 3 drive, 5000MB/s reads compared to 3500MB/s reads on an average gen 3 drive

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So, anything below 3.5GB would be loaded in under a second with either drive

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And tbh, it'll be more likely you need more of the rnd perf while editing clips together or anything like that

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 4:40 AM

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vapid grail If you guys need a good PCIe Gen4 drive for $100, the MP600 500GB for exactly $1...

lol 500gb for $100?

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Budget?

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You're joking right?

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 4:41 AM

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vapid grail If you are video editing (let's say, 1080p footage which does not take a lot of ...

Sequential read and writes don't play a significant role in that job.

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😂 that's more based on random mixed IO performance which the MP600 is average at

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This is why phison E16 based SSDs are a joke

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this guide is telling me i can get 1tb SSDs for $100 🤔

📎 GAMEZOIDS_CONSOOMER_SSD_BUYING_GUIDE_WIP.txt

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these are what we should be expecting to see in budget builds ROFLEgg

minor sun Apr 1, 2021, 4:45 AM

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@olive wadi btw, I thought loading projects into video editing software would be seq perf from loading the entire files into ram..?

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or do I just not understand video editing

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 4:45 AM

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minor sun <@!261617855257116672> btw, I thought loading projects into video editing softwa...

that's still mostly random IO

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if we're talking about what's relevant at least

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sequentials will effect raw transfer speed once that transfer is qued

minor sun Apr 1, 2021, 4:45 AM

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(Assuming theoretical big project files, say 50gb)

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 4:46 AM

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but actually random picking out footage from the drive and pulling it will depend on mixed IO

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you won't be moving the entirety of a 50gb file into random at once

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so it won't be very dependent on sequential performance

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WAKE ME UP WHEN PCIE 4.0 SSDS ARE RELEVANT AND HAVE A REAL USE CASE

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in the consumer space*

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the people who are buying these because they actually need the performance are putting them in RAID arrays 😄

minor sun Apr 1, 2021, 4:48 AM

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hm

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 4:53 AM

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E16 based drives are an incredible niche though

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Most of them seem to have worse sustained performance than their E12 counterparts

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Once PSLC is gone it goes poop mode

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The e16 depends on having a large PSLC cache to achieve its performance so

ancient grove Apr 1, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Need help with my storage

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I’m tryna update my cod but my ssd has no storage

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So how can I switch my cod to my hdd

torpid adder Apr 1, 2021, 10:36 AM

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What's cod on

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Steam

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Or some other client

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If steam, then read https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7418-YUBN-8129

Moving a Steam Installation and Games - Steam Support

Article "Moving a Steam Installation and Games"

signal garden Apr 1, 2021, 10:49 AM

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bo4 and above are on BattleNet

red jay Apr 1, 2021, 10:20 PM

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What’s a good harddisk drive for gaming drive?

blazing musk Apr 1, 2021, 10:21 PM

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An SSD

red jay Apr 1, 2021, 10:21 PM

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For budget?

blazing musk Apr 1, 2021, 10:21 PM

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Random read/write will help most

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You can get a budget SSD for $90-100 per 1TB. You can do a HDD that will have more space but much lower performance.

red jay Apr 1, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Sata SSD are almost the same price range as NVMe 🤔

nimble robin Apr 1, 2021, 10:27 PM

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If that’s true then get an NVME

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It does, of course, depend on the NVME tho

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Some are actual dog crap

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And some SATA SSDs are faster than some NVME

red jay Apr 1, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Hmm. True

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I’m just thinking of secondary gaming drive. I’m getting NVME for my boot drive.

nimble robin Apr 1, 2021, 10:31 PM

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I have a 1tb 970 Evo Plus for my secondary drive

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Works absolutely fine

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Love it to pieces

red jay Apr 1, 2021, 10:31 PM

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That’s amazing. What’s your main drive?

nimble robin Apr 1, 2021, 10:32 PM

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SX 8100 1tb

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Also NVME

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It gets hot as hell

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Slows down when transferring files after a mere minute or so

rapid dagger Apr 1, 2021, 10:52 PM

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nimble robin SX 8100 1tb

You need ekwb ssd block

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Build custom loop just for ssd

nimble robin Apr 1, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Lmao

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Do those exist for 2280 M.2 SSDs?

minor sun Apr 1, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Yes

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Sadly

nimble robin Apr 1, 2021, 11:00 PM

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...

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Why

blazing musk Apr 1, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Because someone will buy it

red jay Apr 1, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Hmm is there any downsides of running 2 M.2 NVME?

blazing musk Apr 1, 2021, 11:16 PM

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Nope. Not unless you're running SLI or otherwise need the PCI lanes.

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Depending on the board it might disable a sata port or two

red jay Apr 1, 2021, 11:17 PM

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Ahh

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I gotta check my Mobo then

blazing musk Apr 1, 2021, 11:17 PM

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It'll say in the manual

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Something along the lines of "M2_1 shares bandwidth with SATA6"

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 11:20 PM

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nimble robin I have a 1tb 970 Evo Plus for my secondary drive

obsolete

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 11:20 PM

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nimble robin Slows down when transferring files after a mere minute or so

are you sure you aren't confusing PSLC becoming saturated with overheating

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 11:21 PM

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blazing musk Nope. Not unless you're running SLI or otherwise need the PCI lanes.

Depends on your platform, rocket lake and zen both provide X20 lanes

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@red jay

📎 GAMEZOIDS_CONSOOMER_SSD_BUYING_GUIDE_WIP.txt

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here's my buying guide 😄

nimble robin Apr 1, 2021, 11:21 PM

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olive wadi obsolete

I got it when it was the newest thing

red jay Apr 1, 2021, 11:21 PM

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I looked at that already. Thanks! Helpful!

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 11:22 PM

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awesome

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 11:22 PM

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nimble robin I got it when it was the newest thing

😎

nimble robin Apr 1, 2021, 11:22 PM

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olive wadi are you sure you aren't confusing PSLC becoming saturated with overheating

Samsung Drive Wizard reports 70c and above (idk average temps for it but that seems hot for an open air SSD)

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 11:22 PM

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nimble robin Samsung Drive Wizard reports 70c and above (idk average temps for it but that se...

There's always a discrepancy between SMART temperatures, and generally always an absurd offset

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Accurately determining SSD controller temperature requires probing

red jay Apr 1, 2021, 11:24 PM

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Says my M2_2 slot only supports PCIe x2 , what does that mean?

blazing musk Apr 1, 2021, 11:25 PM

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Half bandwidth

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Instead of 5GBps read it'll be closer to 2.5

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Doesn't affect random performance as much like games

olive wadi Apr 1, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Won't be an issue with any of the budget drives

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Going above those you might be wasting money for a product that'll be performance gimped anyways

red jay Apr 2, 2021, 12:05 AM

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What if I use a SN550 for my M2_2? 😕

blazing musk Apr 2, 2021, 12:05 AM

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That's in the "budget" section so it'll be fine, performance impact won't be noticeable

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 12:07 AM

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Only problem is a lack of a DRAM cache, which only helps with writes

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Would be important for sharing large files between drives often but if you are just putting games on it then it won’t make a difference

blazing musk Apr 2, 2021, 12:12 AM

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The slot is limited to x2 so cache won't make much difference

warped rampart Apr 2, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Is wd better than seagate?

blazing musk Apr 2, 2021, 12:16 AM

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modelbrand

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Seagate Ironwolf will be better than WD Green

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But Blue is comparable

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While Black is leagues ahead, most of the time

blazing musk Apr 2, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Dollar for dollar, class for class, they're pretty evenly matched imo

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Depends on which ones exactly you're looking at

warped rampart Apr 2, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Hmm

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Ok

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It was a barracuda 2tb

warped rampart Apr 2, 2021, 12:19 AM

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blazing musk <:modelbrand:743668525922648165>

I was talking about like general reliability

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 12:20 AM

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Barracuda shatters too often

blazing musk Apr 2, 2021, 12:20 AM

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WD blue tends to be pretty reliable in that same class

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 12:20 AM

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WD Blue for the win

slow elbow Apr 2, 2021, 12:52 AM

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Will I notice any difference if I decide to go with an M.2 Sata drive between a 2.5" sata drive by the same company or is there a difference there?

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https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-1tb/p/N82E16820250092?Description=1 tb ssd&cm_re=1_tb ssd-_-20-250-092-_-Product&quicklink=true

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https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-1tb/p/N82E16820250088?Item=9SIAN0MBAR0808

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specifically looking at these two

blazing musk Apr 2, 2021, 12:53 AM

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No noticeable difference. M.2 looks cleaner with no wires, but make sure your motherboard supports sata M.2

slow elbow Apr 2, 2021, 1:10 AM

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It's for a laptop anyways

blazing musk Apr 2, 2021, 1:11 AM

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Same rules apply, no real difference

unkempt steppe Apr 2, 2021, 1:27 AM

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could someone help with my hard drive

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 1:28 AM

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What’s the problem?

unkempt steppe Apr 2, 2021, 1:30 AM

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so i connected my hard drive

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it has power and its connected to the motherboard

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but it isnt showing up in device manager

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and no extra storage is showing on settings

dusk turtle Apr 2, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Did it show in the BIOS?

unkempt steppe Apr 2, 2021, 1:31 AM

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havent checked bios

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i plugged it into my other computer and it worked

dusk turtle Apr 2, 2021, 1:33 AM

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Def check BIOS then

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Also, if you have an M.2 drive, some sata ports are probably disabled

unkempt steppe Apr 2, 2021, 1:34 AM

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dusk turtle Also, if you have an M.2 drive, some sata ports are probably disabled

ahh okay

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ill check bios should get it sorted

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thankyou

dusk turtle Apr 2, 2021, 1:34 AM

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YW

olive wadi Apr 2, 2021, 1:43 AM

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nimble robin Only problem is a lack of a DRAM cache, which only helps with writes

WHAT

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have you not ever listened to a single thing i say

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 1:43 AM

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I THOUGHT THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID

olive wadi Apr 2, 2021, 1:43 AM

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nope

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 1:43 AM

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AHHHHHHHH

olive wadi Apr 2, 2021, 1:43 AM

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affects small IO performance 😄

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You're thinking of PSLC cache

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 1:43 AM

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TEACH ME THEN, O WISE ONE

olive wadi Apr 2, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Not having a dram cache mainly affects small IO performance due to possible increase of metadata access time (depending on how the drive handles its metadata)

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and not being able to put prefetch through it

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so small read performance would take the biggest L

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but that's fine

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Ok

olive wadi Apr 2, 2021, 1:44 AM

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red jay What if I use a SN550 for my M2_2? 😕

would work

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 1:44 AM

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And PSLC cache is what I was thinking of

olive wadi Apr 2, 2021, 1:44 AM

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nimble robin And PSLC cache is what I was thinking of

awesome

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 1:48 AM

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So that’s a yes then?

olive wadi Apr 2, 2021, 1:49 AM

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nimble robin So that’s a yes then?

i mean how a drive handles its PSLC cache plays a pretty big role in large write operations

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there's ups and downs to different ways of doing it

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SN550 uses 12gb of static PSLC on the 1tb model

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so it's small, but since it's static it doesn't change in size as the drive fills

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so consistency 🧑‍🎄

nimble robin Apr 2, 2021, 1:51 AM

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Great

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Poggers, even

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Pogchamp, if you please

olive wadi Apr 2, 2021, 1:51 AM

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😅

slate reef Apr 2, 2021, 5:59 AM

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I'm not sure which chat to put this in, so I guess I'll put it here since storage is the relevant topic.

Alright, so, big data problem that I need to figure out.

I'm going to be turning about 330 GB of data into about 900-1,200 GB of data.

The 330 GB of data is on a 2 TB Seagate drive that is 7 years old and still reads "OK" in smart (and at this point, is solely just a scratch drive with data I don't care about).
The only drives I have available with at least 1.2 TB is the same 2 TB Seagate, or a relatively new 8 TB MyBook that I current use as my bulk storage (with 1 TB of anime and other things on it).
The program I am using will average at about 3 MB/s (though, they will be random bursts of 3-8 MB images every few seconds).

Do I:

Read and write the data to the same disk 2 TB Seagate
Make some space on my SX8200 SSD, move the 330 GB to it, and then read from it, writing to the 2 TB Seagate
Read from the 2 TB Seagate, write to the 8 TB MyBook

blazing musk Apr 2, 2021, 6:23 AM

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To clarify here, you have an old Seagate and a new one or are you just referring to the same drive? If you have a new drive the answer is easy, copy to the new drive.
If not, then personally I'd keep stuff that I access frequently on a SSD and keep less accessed stuff or stuff that doesn't need fast IO speeds on the external.
An alternative I'd consider is just continuing to use the Seagate drive until it eventually fails, and you can guess how long that will be from how long it takes to spin up or if you hear the read arm skipping on the surface of the platter. Keep everything that is on the Seagate drive frequently and automatically backed up to the external. With this option you still have the slightly faster speeds of an internal drive, and your data is still secured on the external.

No matter what you end up doing, if you have any important data make sure it's stored in a backup somewhere that isn't inside the PC so you have a minimum of 2 separate copies of the important data between the internal PC, external, or cloud storage. This is just best practice for data you don't want to lose in general.

slate reef Apr 2, 2021, 7:00 AM

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Good advice, though I guess I should have clarified that the data I'm generating isn't necessarily important. The drive needs to work for the next week or so while I process the data for it and from it, and it's hitting about 3 MB/s on average (bursts of 2-8 MB every second, but not sustained). But it's temp data in the grand scheme of things.

Also, it's the same 7 year old 2 TB Seagate. It's had over 4 years of power on hours and something like 30-50 TB written to it.

I was mainly concerned about reading and writing to the same HDD, but I guess since the bottleneck is the GPU it won't be a big deal.

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Here's a visual of what I'm working on. Processing something like 170,000 images, upscaling and denoising them from 1080p to 4K.

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I did decide to just read and write to the 2 TB Seagate, which I was mostly planning to do anyways, but wanted some input from multiple servers.

odd finch Apr 2, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Do you know any way to stress test an sdd controller?

olive wadi Apr 2, 2021, 6:27 PM

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odd finch Do you know any way to stress test an sdd controller?

SSD benchmarks? 😄

odd finch Apr 2, 2021, 6:27 PM

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well all i can find is stuff that test the ssd itself but everything seems fine on those

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It looks like my ssd controller has a problem and i would like to test only it

olive wadi Apr 2, 2021, 6:29 PM

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odd finch well all i can find is stuff that test the ssd itself but everything seems fine ...

Uh...the SSD controller is what's determining the results of those benchmarks

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Primarily the controller at least.

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If your SSD is working fine the SSD controller is working fine

odd finch Apr 2, 2021, 6:30 PM

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ok thx

carmine spoke Apr 2, 2021, 11:57 PM

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Does anyone have any thoughts on internal SSD's?

minor sun Apr 2, 2021, 11:58 PM

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What about them...?

carmine spoke Apr 2, 2021, 11:59 PM

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I need a new one....I've only ever used m.2 and hdd

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Not sure which brand I should look in to

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Thought about something like this:

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https://smile.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Inch-Internal-MZ-77E4T0B-AM/dp/B08QB93S6R/ref=dp_prsubs_1?pd_rd_i=B08QBL36GF&th=1

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Need it to install games on

minor sun Apr 3, 2021, 12:03 AM

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Well, a 870evo is about as good as 2.5in drives get

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So I would say it's a good idea

carmine spoke Apr 3, 2021, 12:04 AM

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do you think 2TB is enough?

minor sun Apr 3, 2021, 12:04 AM

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That's all about what you want to install on it :)

carmine spoke Apr 3, 2021, 12:04 AM

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thats true

minor sun Apr 3, 2021, 12:04 AM

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I say it's good for most people

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Most people can be fine with just a 1tb drive

carmine spoke Apr 3, 2021, 12:05 AM

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I'd be installing some games..maybe 3 games or so..

minor sun Apr 3, 2021, 12:05 AM

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I mean, unless you're going to install cod 3 times, that shouldn't even get close to 2tb

carmine spoke Apr 3, 2021, 12:06 AM

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cod?

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Was thinking about installing the mod for GTA V

minor sun Apr 3, 2021, 12:06 AM

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(iirc modern warfare install size is like 600gb now)

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but that should be fine

carmine spoke Apr 3, 2021, 12:07 AM

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RP mod

minor sun Apr 3, 2021, 12:07 AM

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fivem is pretty small install iirc

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a couple gigabytes

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nowhere near reaching 2tb with a few installs

carmine spoke Apr 3, 2021, 12:08 AM

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cool cool

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Thank you for your thoughts, I appreciate it

minor sun Apr 3, 2021, 12:09 AM

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:)

olive wadi Apr 3, 2021, 1:45 AM

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carmine spoke Does anyone have any thoughts on internal SSD's?

📎 GAMEZOIDS_CONSOOMER_SSD_BUYING_GUIDE_WIP.txt

carmine spoke Apr 3, 2021, 3:31 AM

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olive wadi

Thank you for sharing that, much appreciated

plush crag Apr 3, 2021, 3:51 AM

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Day 97: Gamezoid has not migrated his guide to google drive

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TIL discord can embed now

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I'm slightly less triggered

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 6:42 AM

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We really need to pin that or something

plush juniper Apr 3, 2021, 7:25 AM

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Does anyone know what the general "sale" price of a 2tb ssd go for? Looking for SATA

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 7:26 AM

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Typically, consumer grade stuff is about $100 per TB, so you could expect a 2 TB drive to be around $200, give or take for sales and brand.

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SATA isn't much cheaper than nvme right now

plush juniper Apr 3, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Ahh, thanks. That's what I had referenced in mind. Was just looking over Buildapcsales and saw several hovering ~175

shrewd knoll Apr 3, 2021, 8:31 AM

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What is the best SSD i can get which is 1tb and is maybe 100-130 usd??

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 8:37 AM

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The post I linked you already, by windshields a few posts up. He has a buying guide that will help you.

shrewd knoll Apr 3, 2021, 8:41 AM

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ohh ok

olive wadi Apr 3, 2021, 1:41 PM

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plush crag TIL discord can embed now

there is now no reason for google drive thanks to imbed

olive wadi Apr 3, 2021, 1:41 PM

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blazing musk We really need to pin that or something

i update it like daily so

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semi-daily

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 2:53 PM

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so question, does SN750 and 970 Plus have any known issues? Something like getting too hot, as was the issue with the Crucial P5 or whatever? Anything I should know about?

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 2:56 PM

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olive wadi there is now no reason for google drive thanks to imbed

If you do it on Google drive you could get it pinned and not worry about changing versions

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 2:57 PM

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glacial jolt so question, does SN750 and 970 Plus have any known issues? Something like getti...

No, but they're both overpriced for what they are

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 2:59 PM

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that may be true but they are still pretty good, least it seems so

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:01 PM

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dusk turtle No, but they're both overpriced for what they are

what would you recommend that's on par or at least closer in performance to those?

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:01 PM

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Mushkin Pilot E

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:01 PM

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I need a boot drive and games drive

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though

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:04 PM

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1 TB is $109 and just as fast as the SN750 and 970

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:05 PM

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I'll look into it but I'd still prefer a seperate games drive

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or rather boot drive

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since 1TB will be for Games

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I could always do a regular sata SSD for boot/programs if the performance boost of an NVME would be negligible in comparison

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:08 PM

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I just do a SATA drive for my game drive, nearly no difference in load times between that and nvme

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NVME for a boot drive is recommended though, as well as programs that do a lot of small read/write operations

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Games don't benefit from the extra bandwidth

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:09 PM

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what would a good SSD be for a games drive? something similar/on par with 970/Mushkin?

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Can't do that with a SATA drive, doesn't have the bandwidth. Just get a Crucial MX500 for SATA ssd

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:10 PM

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well just any SSD with solid performance for Games then

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Yeah the Crucial is a decent budget offering that still offers good speed/reliability

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Basically yes, I'm even using a WD Green drive and I can't tell any difference if games are on that or my nvme

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:11 PM

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well technically the budget is pretty sizable for a games drive since the 970 is so expensive, so just suggest a few different SSDs in various price brackets maybe?

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I'll be looking at MX 500 and maybe WD Blue but not sure if that's good I just know people like to use that one

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:13 PM

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WD Blue would be another option, fairly decent for the price.
If you want a comprehensive guide though we have a resident SSD guru that is making one #storage-devices message

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:13 PM

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Skip the 970, save some money and get a Mushkin Pilot E.

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:13 PM

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Right, save money on the sata drive and use that for a better nvme. Sound advice.

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:14 PM

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OH

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I just realized 970 Sata SSD?

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XD

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:15 PM

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dusk turtle Skip the 970, save some money and get a Mushkin Pilot E.

would Mushkin be worth the price for a boot drive though? Say like 500GB. Should be fine

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nope. Was gonna go with NVME for both boot and games

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:15 PM

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Ah

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:15 PM

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that's why I'm asking for help here

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:15 PM

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I mean, Samsung is overpriced for what you get

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:16 PM

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if I don't have to spend money on something that won't matter, then I'll go with a regular SSD for Games, and small NVME for boot

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:16 PM

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My boot drive is also where I store most of my programs and programming projects, it's a 250GB drive and not even half full

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500GB should be plenty unless you're doing game/cad design on it

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:16 PM

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it'll be for win 10 and installed programs

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nothing special though

carmine spoke Apr 3, 2021, 3:18 PM

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I use nvme for boot drive and GIS work

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an HDD for storage, and just got an SSD for games

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:19 PM

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I won't need a Hard Drive

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I have a spare if I decide to use one but probably won't

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Gamers don't typically need one these days unless they're also hosting a media server too, like me

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:21 PM

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I'll look into things. Thanks dudes/dudettes!

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:21 PM

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Team MP34 500 GB then? $64. Mushkin Pilot E 1 TB is $109.

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:21 PM

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I've heard good things about it

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so yeah I can see

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:21 PM

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Both of those are good drives

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:22 PM

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really whatever is available from like Newegg/Amazon/Best Buy/Mem Express. I don't really trust iSanek or Vuugo or whatever else

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is Amazon reputable enough for Parts? the only decent place I can get my MOBO from is from a Warehouse

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well directly from Amazon rather

carmine spoke Apr 3, 2021, 3:23 PM

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I've purchased a few things from Amazon....seemed fine, but it is Amazon after all

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:24 PM

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I'm just not sure is all. I know Bitwit liked getting from Newegg or Amazon in the past so, maybe it's still fine?

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Amazon is fine

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Amazon is good but their search and filters are GARBAGE

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:24 PM

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blazing musk Amazon is good but their search and filters are GARBAGE

Search B560 motherboard and get X470 results XD

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:24 PM

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You can search for a HDD and get results for hand cream

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Amazon is fine, bought a ton of parts there

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Newegg as well

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:25 PM

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pcpartpicker usually handles things for Me, except for the one time it didn't lol

opal dragon Apr 3, 2021, 3:25 PM

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amazon frequently delivers faster too because prime

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:26 PM

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A strategy I use when price comparing is find what I want on Newegg or something, then search in google for that item plus Amazon. Google indexing FTW.

olive wadi Apr 3, 2021, 3:27 PM

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glacial jolt I need a boot drive and games drive

📎 GAMEZOIDS_CONSOOMER_SSD_BUYING_GUIDE_WIP.txt

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:28 PM

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Already linked 'em to it lol

olive wadi Apr 3, 2021, 3:28 PM

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base

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:28 PM

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thanks. I'll download that once I get on my Potato of a PC

olive wadi Apr 3, 2021, 3:28 PM

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glacial jolt if I don't have to spend money on something that won't matter, then I'll go with...

Lots of nvme drives often undercut sata/ahci drives

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so

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myaswell buy the nvme

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lmao

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:29 PM

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good thing I need both though

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:29 PM

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Ye sata is really only a few $ savings these days, but every $ counts

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:30 PM

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I already got a set amount I need in mind. If I can save on some stuff, that's perfectly fine too

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GPU will be the hardest unfortunately

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I WANTED to get a 5700XT but no luck with that

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Those are super rare right now because most of AMD chips are going into consoles

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:32 PM

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yeah unless I go on eBay and pay $1000+

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no worth it

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not*

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I'll just have to try and get whatever is in stock/cheap used

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:34 PM

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A lot of people are getting a card a few generations old as a placeholder until they can get a new one.
Enter Newegg shuffle every weekday. Probably your best bet, even if the retailers are more expensive now too.

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:34 PM

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shuffle would be expensive

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Canadian...

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and from what I understand Newegg.com doesn't ship to Canada

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Yeah, good luck is all I can say there

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They do ship there

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Newegg.ca

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:36 PM

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well in the case of shuffle or giveaways I can't enter because I'm not a US Resident

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:36 PM

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Right as far as shuffle I think that much is limited

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:37 PM

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And the only Newegg.ca stock is scalpers selling stuff on Marketplace

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:37 PM

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Get a P.O. box in a nearby northern state for them to ship to, grab your passport for a quick trip once it arrives

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Report those scalpers, they're breaking fair pricing rule in ToS

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:38 PM

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blazing musk Get a P.O. box in a nearby northern state for them to ship to, grab your passpor...

If I could, then great! But no passport and no employment 😳

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:38 PM

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Ah well worth a shot

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:38 PM

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blazing musk Report those scalpers, they're breaking fair pricing rule in ToS

I'll be sure to do so

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:39 PM

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blazing musk Ah well worth a shot

living in Canada is usually good, and I'm happy to be here, but in some cases not so much :/

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and I don't live anywhere with a Canada Computers which is the next best thing other than Micro Centre in the US

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:39 PM

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Normally it's not this bad but pretty much anywhere outside US is lucky to get anything PC related restocked right now

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:40 PM

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the only thing that has issues from what I've seen is of course GPU

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case fans have also been a little difficult. At least 140mm ones

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but CPUs are fine from what I've seen

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Canada isn't so bad for that but if you look at, say, Germany or other Euro countries, it's rough

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:41 PM

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most definitely

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:41 PM

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CPU stock has mostly stabilized, only a few days of effort to get one if it's out of stock

olive wadi Apr 3, 2021, 3:42 PM

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lol

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why am i not techie

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:42 PM

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just wish CPU stock had better pricing though

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:42 PM

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olive wadi why am i not techie

IDK ask Mike

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:42 PM

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my best bet is a 3600, which is perfectly fine still mind you

olive wadi Apr 3, 2021, 3:42 PM

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@warped anvil i made my own SSD buying guide do i qualify for techie

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💃

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🕺

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:43 PM

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I would have done a DM but ok bold move

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:43 PM

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very bold 😳

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I'll let you know if I need anymore help, Fal'Cie. Thanks!

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Sounds good, I'll be fairly available today feel free to ping me

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 3:44 PM

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will do!

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 4:37 PM

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soooooooo, its actually cheaper for a 500GB SN750 vs the Mushkin Pilot-E 500GB

About 119.60 for SN750 and 121.74 for Mushkin, but only because its from the US

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 4:37 PM

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Ahhhhh

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 4:39 PM

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and I'm not sure the difference in performance its very much anyway? I'm trying to look at reviews

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 4:39 PM

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It's not

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 4:41 PM

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so stick with the SN750 I guess?

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Sure, won't be any real world difference

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Yeah if it's cheaper than the Mushkin where you live

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 4:42 PM

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yeah

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and the SN750 has sales often it seems

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right now it'd be $87.78

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well, now to figure out games drive

odd finch Apr 3, 2021, 5:20 PM

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Hey guys

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My pc crashed and this happened on reboot

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Oh I can't post pics

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Im seing the reboot and select proper boot device page

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Looks like my ssd is bad however the smart data and benchmarks are normal

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 5:26 PM

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SN750 should have a DRAM cache right? @blazing musk

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 5:27 PM

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DRAM cache makes almost no difference except in small random writes, which are rare

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 5:28 PM

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alright

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now to see the difference in price to an m.2 MX500 and regular 2.5" form factor

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buys an SSD to put in PS4 Pro

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lel

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 5:41 PM

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At that point just get a PS5

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 5:41 PM

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yes but, stock

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 5:42 PM

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You'll be able to upgrade that SSD later this summer

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I've seen Gamestop with a lot of them

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 5:42 PM

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honestly though PS5 is the next thing on my list after a PC

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specifically for Demon Souls Remake

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 6:01 PM

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yikes

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question is, is it worth $17 for an M.2 factor MX500 over the regular SSD? That's only with the sale price of the 2.5 inch drive though. Not on sale the M.2 is cheaper, but only by like $10

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I like the idea of cable-less

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 6:06 PM

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If they're both SATA then no

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Personally no, not worth it but if you like a cleaner build M.2 is for you

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Same speeds regardless

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Kingston a2000 or Crucial P1?

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 6:26 PM

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Whichever is cheaper, they're roughly the same performance

glacial jolt Apr 3, 2021, 6:27 PM

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alright

gusty venture Apr 3, 2021, 8:38 PM

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@woeful solar it seems that my storage options are pretty good for a Thinkpad A475

RAM
Up to 32GB 1866MHz DDR4 memory

Storage (optional)
500GB 7200rpm HD drive
• 1TB 5400rpm HD drive 128GB

SATA 3 M.2 2242 secondary storage (HDD supported only)
• PCle SSD drive 256GB
• 512GB PCle SSD

balmy harbor Apr 3, 2021, 10:04 PM

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What is the difference in Sandisk SSD models with "G25" at the end of the part number? 2TB drive is $700 without G25, $200 with it. What is it??

nimble robin Apr 3, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Speed probably

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Ask WD

balmy harbor Apr 3, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Speed is SATA-III 6GB bus speed, only speed spec, same on both.

nimble robin Apr 3, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Link both please?

balmy harbor Apr 3, 2021, 10:07 PM

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At NewEgg: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=SDSSDH3-2T00-G25

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2TB for instance

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Other model is that without "-G25" at the end.

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Huge price difference, 1:3

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G25 cheaper

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 10:09 PM

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OPNe is scalper one is not

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Nothing more or less

balmy harbor Apr 3, 2021, 10:09 PM

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Lots of places sell both.

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both 560MB/s read speed

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 10:11 PM

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PUtting just SDSSDH3-2T00 into google returns all G25 drives. Looks like the non-G25 is last generation. Old stuff

balmy harbor Apr 3, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Did they have 2TB SSD in 2011?

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Heh, I edited

nimble robin Apr 3, 2021, 10:12 PM

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balmy harbor Did they have 2TB SSD in 2011?

If they did it would have been tens of thousand of dollars

balmy harbor Apr 3, 2021, 10:15 PM

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This Newegg page shows both: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=50001404 100011693 600038497&Manufactory=1404

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Right, one is scalped and likely a wrong model number. The other isn't

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This one is a scalper overcharging https://www.newegg.com/sandisk-ultra-3d-2-tb/p/0D9-0006-001D5

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With an incomplete description and model number

balmy harbor Apr 3, 2021, 10:18 PM

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I guess on WD site both lead to G25. OK, guess I'll buy the $200 one...

dusk turtle Apr 3, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Yep

nimble robin Apr 3, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Why would anyone even scalp that?

balmy harbor Apr 3, 2021, 10:20 PM

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At that huge price difference no less...

olive wadi Apr 3, 2021, 10:34 PM

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glacial jolt Kingston a2000 or Crucial P1?

A2000 is better so if they're like within $5ish go for that

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reference this guide to see some alternatives

📎 GAMEZOIDS_CONSOOMER_SSD_BUYING_GUIDE_WIP.txt

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would compare other options

blazing musk Apr 3, 2021, 10:40 PM

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balmy harbor Did they have 2TB SSD in 2011?

The first 2TB SSD was the Samsung 850 Evo, retail price of $1000, launched in 2015

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And now we have 100TB drives

nimble robin Apr 3, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Exadrive

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Which is, ironically, far from an exabyte

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Technically we have 900tb drives but those aren’t really for consumer use, and are also really slow

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 12:15 AM

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nimble robin Exadrive

why was lili banned

nimble robin Apr 4, 2021, 12:15 AM

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Too much talk of her company

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She quoted a price to Bob

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And was then banned

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Just like that

dusk turtle Apr 4, 2021, 12:24 AM

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Buying and selling as far back as January, actually. :/

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 1:16 AM

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nimble robin She quoted a price to Bob

this is so sad

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can we get 90 likes

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Hey all
I'm interested in buying a mechanical drive to use for a virtual machine. Maybe something like 8TB. I have done some research into the sort of things to look out for when picking one and the main thing is going for a drive that runs at 7200 RPM. Can anyone here share some further information possibly as to anything else thats worth looking out for
I was possibly looking at going for a Seagate BarraCuda like this one
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Rescue-Recovery-dp-B07H24QRS4/dp/B07H24QRS4/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

But if you have alternative recommendations then id be happy to hear 🙂

sour wadi Apr 4, 2021, 3:40 PM

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You could get 2x toshiba x300 4tb drives for around £50 pounds less, but you might want one drive with all the data

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 3:42 PM

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Yeah wasnt quite was i was wanting to do.
1 drive is better for how itll be set up

sour wadi Apr 4, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Don't know too much about 8tb drives, I'm sure someone else will be able to help better

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 3:45 PM

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Well it doesnt have to exactly be 8TB
That was more so just a 8TB would do the job because ill probably set up multiple VMs on it over time but i guess 4 could do the job or more then 8 even 🤷‍♂️

sour wadi Apr 4, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Btw does someone know if it's worth around 30 dollars extra(coverted from pounds) for a 1tb sn750 over a sn550, the mushkin pilot e, and sabrent rocket are a bit more than i want to pay in the UK

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And i don't really care if it's only a small speed bump, as my 240gb sata drive is starting to not become enough

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 3:57 PM

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sour wadi Btw does someone know if it's worth around 30 dollars extra(coverted from pounds...

depends on your use case

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📎 GAMEZOIDS_CONSOOMER_SSD_BUYING_GUIDE_WIP.txt

sour wadi Apr 4, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Okay so for me, the crucial p1, p2 and sn550 and sn750 are in my range, ik sn750 is best in this list but is it really that much better over the p1, i read that p2 and sn550 are dramless which i know means it's worse, how exactly would you rank the rest?

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P1 is £100, p2 and sn550 are £90 and sn750 is £110 but i have to pay import tax on these so they will be more expensive then so I'm trying to save where it's not really needed, my drive atm is about 6 years old so i don't really mind if its around that speed or slightly faster

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 4:24 PM

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sour wadi Okay so for me, the crucial p1, p2 and sn550 and sn750 are in my range, ik sn750...

ignore the part where it says they are dramless

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it's literally just there as supplementary information

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The p1 is on par with those drives

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The SN550 and Kingston a2000 are probably the best in the budget category

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the main thing you are losing with the loss of the dram cache is small IO performance which really doesn't matter for the use case that those drives are set out for

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The guide instructions are "buy the cheapest in each category" because every drive in each specific category is close enough performance-wise that you should just buy the cheapest 😄

sour wadi Apr 4, 2021, 4:27 PM

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Okay thanks for the help

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 4:27 PM

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With the prices that you listed the SN550 is the best budget drive option

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But SN750 for 110 if that's 1tb may be worth it

sour wadi Apr 4, 2021, 4:27 PM

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Yeah that's all 1tb

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 4:27 PM

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I'd go for the SN750 just because that's a good price for it

sour wadi Apr 4, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Okay thanks

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 4:28 PM

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if you want to save the 20 britbucks the sn550 would be what you buy

sour wadi Apr 4, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Thanks for the help

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The sn750 would be around 30 usd more than the sn550, think i might go sn550 probs won't notice difference

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 4:37 PM

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epic

sour wadi Apr 4, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Just one last question, I'm in my motherboards manual, and ik that some mobos disable some sata ports if a m.2 is connected, I'm only worried as all but one sata port is blocked off by my graphics card because i stupidly went matx board to save money 🤦 anyway, it would show up if one of the sata slots were disabled with m.2 in around here right?

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And woops put this question in wrong channel at first and was confused lol, is there a tool i can run to move all my data, and windows over too the m.2 or do i have to reinstall windows?

opal dragon Apr 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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I used samsung data migration when i upgraded drives and it cloned everything inc windows just fine; im sure other tools exist too

sour wadi Apr 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Okay, thanks, do you know about the Sata port thing?

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Whats the difference between these 2 drives?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-ST8000DM004-Barracuda-internal-Silver/dp/B07211QYRC/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=seagate%2Bbarracuda&qid=1617554544&s=computers&sr=1-9&th=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Rescue-Recovery-dp-B07H24QRS4/dp/B07H24QRS4/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

They look to be identical in specs but the cheaper one is a pro drive while the other is not. They are from the same supplier too, so i dont quite get what the difference in them is

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 7:18 PM

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indigo arch Whats the difference between these 2 drives? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-ST...

you linked two pro drives

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buy the cheaper one

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it says barracuda pro in both

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 7:19 PM

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Oh the product image shows one with pro and the other without. I missed that part in the actual description
Whats the difference in them though?

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 7:19 PM

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not something that matters

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buy the cheaper one

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 7:19 PM

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bruh

nimble robin Apr 4, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Trust windshields

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He may be a stuck up know-it-all but that’s kinda a good thing

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He knows it all

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 7:20 PM

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lol its a hard drive

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so whatever the difference is

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can't matter

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Thats great and all that i should trust him but it would still be nice to know roughly what the difference in them is given that the specs look to be identical

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 7:21 PM

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they seem to be identical because they are identical

nimble robin Apr 4, 2021, 7:21 PM

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Marketing

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02shrug

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 7:21 PM

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I thought it may have been a supplier thing but they are both sold by and dispatched from Maestro Tech

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 7:22 PM

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there's a random part # difference

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 7:22 PM

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They seem to list the pricier one as the newer model acording to Amazon when i scroll down slightly on the cheaper one and it says try the newer model

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Ok well i guess if they are the same then i guess they "Released a new model" at a higher price to try tricking people into getting the more expensive one?

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 7:24 PM

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or maybe it's a case of sellers not knowing how to organize the products they are selling

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lol

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all barracuda pros are CMR so i have no idea what would make the price difference

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seagate doesn't include a map of their part #'s to actually differentiate between the two so

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 7:26 PM

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I want to use it as a drive for virtual machines and this seemed like it would be a good option?
They wont be running 24/7 but will have a couple saved to it and on occasion mabne 2 to 3 running at the same time

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 7:26 PM

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HDD for multiple vms lol that might suck

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 7:27 PM

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It wont be anything intensive that's being done on it. But needing something with high storage which an SSD doesnt provide

olive wadi Apr 4, 2021, 7:28 PM

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ok well go crazy with the cheap one then

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 7:30 PM

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🤷‍♂️ ok thanks i guess

minor sun Apr 4, 2021, 7:53 PM

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Tbh toshiba n300 price might be around there

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 8:21 PM

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minor sun Tbh toshiba n300 price might be around there

Is this directed to me?

minor sun Apr 4, 2021, 8:36 PM

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It's a nice nas drive
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01MR6Y13P

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 8:45 PM

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minor sun It's a nice nas drive https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01MR6Y13P

Would it work ok for not being on 24/7. Turned on and off every day

minor sun Apr 4, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Unless you're turning it on and off constantly for fun, ofc.

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Na turn it on and it stays on for a few hours then goes off again

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I wasn't sure if NAS drives would be effected by going on and off twice a day given how they are designed to function

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 8:57 PM

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minor sun Unless you're turning it on and off constantly for fun, ofc.

What makes the toshiba one better then the seagate one, if thats what youre implying

blazing musk Apr 4, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Twice a day on/off is fine, it's more the "power saving" spin down option in Windows you'd have to worry about that would make them less viable for desktops.

minor sun Apr 4, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Hm? The N300 should have a fair bit better reliability for being a nas drive designed for reliability, and also I believe slightly better performance.

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 9:37 PM

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Ok worth knowing i guess, thanks

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I guess i kinda always turned my nose up at Toshiba drives because they just dont seem like they would be all that great 🤷‍♂️

minor sun Apr 4, 2021, 9:38 PM

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general consensus is that Seagate isn't great, but they're actually fine

indigo arch Apr 4, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Oh. I always figured Seagate and WD were top 🤷‍♂️ idk

minor sun Apr 4, 2021, 11:43 PM

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old seagate 3tb drives poop

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So the general consumer conclusion is bad

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Oh and the old 1.5tb one too

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HGST (Hitachi) was absolutely the best maker of hard drives until they were mostly acquired by WD, with parts of their drive business going to Toshiba

olive wadi Apr 5, 2021, 2:03 AM

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minor sun So the general consumer conclusion is bad

consumers are wrong about everything

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which is why it is up to me, the only consumer who is right to save them from themselves

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that is the mission of gamezoid

minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 2:05 AM

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lol

red jay Apr 5, 2021, 3:34 AM

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I have been working with and on computes for about 15yrs. And I have had numerous Seagate drives go bad and only one western digital drive go bad and that was because I carried it with me to school and used it for hours on end.

minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 3:36 AM

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everything depends on the model

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Seagate older drives are clearly crap

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as you can tell by the failure numbers on the 1.5tb and 3tb models

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Although WD external drives are nearly always great

torpid adder Apr 5, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Isn't the 2tb model also bad

minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 3:42 AM

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I know nothing bad about it

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tbh it's sad backblaze is like the only people that you can get good drive failure data from

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 3:45 AM

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minor sun as you can tell by the failure numbers on the 1.5tb and 3tb models

surprisingly, my dad's 15 year old seagate drive is still kicking

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takes a minute to click on something in windows but it still works, somewhat

minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 3:45 AM

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minor sun everything depends on the model

@nimble robin that is why :D

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 3:45 AM

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lemme see which one it is

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I have it around here somewhere

minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 3:46 AM

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but the AFR on the 1.5tb and 3tb seagate drives from a decade ago were not good

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as you can tell

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 3:46 AM

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I dont see a specific name on this thing

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barracude 7200.12

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500 GB

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internal

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exposed... what is this thing, some sort of controller?

blazing musk Apr 5, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Wow a 7200 lasted that long? How many running hours?

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 3:47 AM

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count 15 years back

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and the fact that my dad never turned the damn thing off

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except when we moved once back a while ago

blazing musk Apr 5, 2021, 3:48 AM

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That doesn't mean running hours, Windows will spin the disk down when it's not active

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 3:48 AM

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I know

minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 3:48 AM

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hard disk sentinel time?

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 3:50 AM

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I dont even have anything to connect this to my pc

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dont have camera rn, will take pic tomorrow

blazing musk Apr 5, 2021, 3:51 AM

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Once you read the SMART data let us know, I'm genuinely interested how many hours that has on it

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 3:51 AM

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me too tbh

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E-machines last longer than people give them credit for

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that Athlon II could still play Plants vs Zombies

olive wadi Apr 5, 2021, 4:23 AM

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red jay I have been working with and on computes for about 15yrs. And I have had numerou...

lol what

wispy forum Apr 5, 2021, 7:17 AM

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those of you with big storage setups and cool sas cards, does hot-plug support mean the same thing as hot-swap? I have an lsi 3008 in my dell mobo and wanted to confirm that I can hotswap. If so, how do I hotswap? just unmount the drive and plug in a new one?

blazing musk Apr 5, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Yes it's the same. If you want to hot plug it that's basically the procedure, but you need to set write caching mode first so that it allows for dismounting the volumes.

red jay Apr 5, 2021, 11:59 AM

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@olive wadi , what did I say that you did not understand. Or did I miss read the chart.

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 12:36 PM

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@minor sun @blazing musk

blazing musk Apr 5, 2021, 12:41 PM

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Date code reads as April 2010

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 12:49 PM

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More recent than I thought

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Even so

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 1:04 PM

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I would have been 4 when he got it

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So makes sense if I don’t remember

olive wadi Apr 5, 2021, 3:07 PM

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red jay <@261617855257116672> , what did I say that you did not understand. Or did I mis...

lol pretty sure that chart is for drives from like 2010

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wouldnt call it relevant

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seagate modern drives i 😴

thick mulch Apr 5, 2021, 4:13 PM

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nimble robin I would have been 4 when he got it

2006 clan?

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Actually older drives like that are still very relevant. Most of the world’s data are on dated drives like that 2010. A lot of barracudas go thru here

olive wadi Apr 5, 2021, 4:16 PM

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thick mulch Actually older drives like that are still very relevant. Most of the world’s dat...

good thing the important datacenters update at least somewhat regularly 😅

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older people not replacing parts in their computer is typical

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💃

thick mulch Apr 5, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Saw that catch

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But yeah, thats why I see a lot of them

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 4:42 PM

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thick mulch 2006 clan?

05

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2 years before Halo 3 launch and a year after Halo 2 is how I remember

glacial jolt Apr 5, 2021, 5:47 PM

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@blazing musk sorry to ping you but say I bought the SSD I want for my future gaming rig, for my current potato. How would I go about transferring my OS to it?

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or even alternatively on a new Windows 10 install, would I be able to use it again for another PC or do you have to buy another key?

blazing musk Apr 5, 2021, 5:48 PM

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Best bet is to make sure you have your windows license tied to your Microsoft account and reinstall on the new drive. Cloning tends to be tricky.

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If you signed in to a Microsoft account the license key is automatically bound to the motherboard and your account.

glacial jolt Apr 5, 2021, 5:49 PM

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blazing musk Best bet is to make sure you have your windows license tied to your Microsoft ac...

well it's an old workstation that had Win 7 Pro and I upgraded to Win 10 Pro for free. So probably want a new OS thinking about it

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assuming I would be able to

blazing musk Apr 5, 2021, 5:50 PM

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You'd still get win 10 pro

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With the bound key

glacial jolt Apr 5, 2021, 5:50 PM

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alright thanks

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 6:43 PM

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This is just standard SATA right?

olive wadi Apr 5, 2021, 6:43 PM

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nimble robin This is just standard SATA right?

looks like it

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SAS would have a sort of T shape in the connector

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 6:43 PM

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Pepega

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Now to find a SATA connector

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I have power somewhere but idk about actually connecting it to mobo

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Might have to search a little bit

tawny anvil Apr 5, 2021, 8:26 PM

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any good 1tb m.2 ssd for 80$~\

sour wadi Apr 5, 2021, 8:41 PM

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tawny anvil any good 1tb m.2 ssd for 80$~\

#storage-devices message any in the first list

plush crag Apr 5, 2021, 10:54 PM

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ur not really a pc builder unless you have an overflowing drawer of sata cables

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 10:57 PM

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^^^^^^^

opal dragon Apr 5, 2021, 10:57 PM

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i just fill up an old mobo box with all my spare parts

some day im gonna die and its gonna be a technomancry jack in the box for whoever opens it

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 10:57 PM

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I’m literally going to get some SATA cables right now

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yoyoyoyoyo wtf

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@minor sun @blazing musk

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dis sum bull, right?

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minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 11:16 PM

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Whew that's surprising

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 11:16 PM

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how so?

minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 11:16 PM

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@nimble robin what does it say about lifetime writes?

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Lots of time alive

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 11:17 PM

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only 240 gigs

minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 11:17 PM

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Uh?

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 11:17 PM

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my dad never really deleted anything or rewrote anything

minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 11:17 PM

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Ah

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Lol

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 11:17 PM

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maybe thats why its in near perfect condition

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also for some reason my 100 megs of motherboard storage is showing up as D: in place of my external drive now

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my external is now G:

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this is my first time actually using sata ports so maybe that has something to do with it?

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ooooooh damn this thing has windows on it too lmao

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I totally forgot

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whats this one?

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an old E-Machines user guide from 2010

📎 Guide.pdf

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my dad's Windows 10 user profile, which he named after me

minor sun Apr 5, 2021, 11:23 PM

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weird

nimble robin Apr 5, 2021, 11:24 PM

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jeez, this user is taking forever to open

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240 gigs to be sure but still

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im going to need to transfer this to my external drive for safekeeping later

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gonna take forever

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finally open

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christ

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6:27

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oml

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homemade Younique ads

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my mom was in an MLM

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wtf lmao

olive wadi Apr 6, 2021, 2:42 AM

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nimble robin my dad's Windows 10 user profile, which he named after me

your real life name is emachine?

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cool

nimble robin Apr 6, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Lmao

rancid pike Apr 6, 2021, 6:07 PM

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kekw

upper echo Apr 7, 2021, 12:28 AM

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bru

olive wadi Apr 7, 2021, 3:17 AM

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nimble robin Lmao

pale frigate Apr 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Hey so I really don't know much about drives but as a second drive for large file storage is a Seagate Barracuda or WD Blue 2TB for around $55 a reasonable price? I'm booting off of a WD Black sn750 500GB and I have another m.2 slot I just wasn't sure if it's worth the cost to get a 1TB m.2 for much more money than the 2TB HDD

past peak Apr 7, 2021, 2:37 PM

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the wd blue caviar is def a good option for 2tb

pale frigate Apr 7, 2021, 2:38 PM

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so like this drive? https://www.newegg.com/blue-wd20ezaz-2tb/p/N82E16822234372?Item=N82E16822234372&quicklink=true

past peak Apr 7, 2021, 2:41 PM

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no

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look for the one that says wd20ezrz, not wd20ezaz

olive wadi Apr 7, 2021, 2:43 PM

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pale frigate Hey so I really don't know much about drives but as a second drive for large fil...

reasonable

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that wd blue 2tb is also reasonable

olive wadi Apr 7, 2021, 2:43 PM

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past peak look for the one that says wd20ezrz, not wd20ezaz

smr vs cmr does not matter for normal consumer use lol if that's what that's about

past peak Apr 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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yee that's what i was talking about

olive wadi Apr 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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yep and it doesn't matter so

pale frigate Apr 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Yea what is the difference since the other one is $10 more so is that not worth the exta $10?

olive wadi Apr 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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The WD blue vs the barracuda?

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Doesn't matter

past peak Apr 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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depends on your use case, but now i see that it's just mass storage so smr is fine

pale frigate Apr 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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The two drives @past peak mentioned

olive wadi Apr 7, 2021, 2:45 PM

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the blue might be a tiny bit slower but it doesn't matter with hard drives

olive wadi Apr 7, 2021, 2:45 PM

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pale frigate The two drives <@!701918286115373216> mentioned

one is CMR one is SMR but it doesn't matter for mass storage

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please are scared of SMR

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it's only a problem in like raid arrays lol

pale frigate Apr 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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yea, I'm just looking for something I can dump files onto without filling up my boot drive lol

olive wadi Apr 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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yep get the cheaper one

pale frigate Apr 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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thanks for the help @past peak and @olive wadi

past peak Apr 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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you're welcome

olive wadi Apr 7, 2021, 5:06 PM

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np

rapid dagger Apr 8, 2021, 12:57 PM

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No integrated graphics as well smh

rare harness Apr 8, 2021, 2:43 PM

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I do want to get a 2TB hard drive to store all my documents and stuff that doesn't need to be on my NVME drive. What's recommended right now?

rapid dagger Apr 8, 2021, 2:43 PM

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rare harness I do want to get a 2TB hard drive to store all my documents and stuff that doesn...

Wd blue

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@rare harness Check this out on @Newegg: WD Blue 2TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 5400 RPM SATA 6Gb/s 256MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD20EZAZ - OEM https://www.newegg.com/blue-wd20ezaz-2tb/p/N82E16822234372?Item=N82E16822234372&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-22-234-372-_-04082021 on sale

past peak Apr 8, 2021, 2:51 PM

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yee tbh any cheap hard drive will do for mass storage

minor sun Apr 8, 2021, 3:37 PM

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@rapid dagger smr drive but ye

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-az is smr, -rz is cmr

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Big cache on a small drive usually tells you they're trying to compensate for smr too

olive wadi Apr 8, 2021, 3:47 PM

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bro lol who cares about smr 💃

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zfs homies be like 😠

cobalt rover Apr 8, 2021, 5:07 PM

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does anyone here use a viper mini?

minor sun Apr 8, 2021, 5:14 PM

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olive wadi bro lol who cares about smr 💃

No I'm actually in favor of barracuda this time, the only reason to get blue 5400rpm drive over barracuda is for cmr, and dat disk ain't cmr

olive wadi Apr 8, 2021, 5:24 PM

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minor sun No I'm actually in favor of barracuda this time, the only reason to get blue 540...

base

rare harness Apr 8, 2021, 5:53 PM

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So, would a Barracuda be fine for what I plan to do?

tranquil ice Apr 8, 2021, 8:36 PM

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is this a good ssd?

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https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08QBMD6P4/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B08QBMD6P4&pd_rd_w=Dg9Mf&pf_rd_p=2c17e944-5508-41c9-9e34-6115f0c88f84&pd_rd_wg=aORbx&pf_rd_r=6PECW8ZS3203DYZ0R4ZZ&pd_rd_r=f39a633a-81c5-40c3-a93a-a0978ef9264a&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyMFhHTzFQQjdCWjlOJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjM0ODc3MlRIRkVDSjg4NVdaSiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTEwMDU4Q01OMk4wMjVDWE9EJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

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sorry for long link

olive wadi Apr 8, 2021, 8:48 PM

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tranquil ice is this a good ssd?

Buy the cheapest available in the 2.5" SATA category, if that's the cheapest option in that category then buy it

📎 GAMEZOIDS_CONSOOMER_SSD_BUYING_GUIDE_WIP.txt

tranquil ice Apr 8, 2021, 8:50 PM

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ok its in there

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thanks

olive wadi Apr 8, 2021, 8:51 PM

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tranquil ice ok its in there

Yep it is in there but you can read the guide instructions and see that it says to buy the cheapest available in each category

tranquil ice Apr 8, 2021, 8:52 PM

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ok thanks man

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this is gonna help me alot in the future too

granite ore Apr 8, 2021, 9:48 PM

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anyone know good deals on good 4gb or 8gb harddrives

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dont need a fast one, its gonna be for 4k footage dumps

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tb***

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wooopps

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hard drives

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yeah

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i have 2 1tb ssds currently

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i dont need anything high performance necessarily but i want to get two and throw them into a raid 1 config

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raid 1 is redundancy right?

minor sun Apr 8, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Yea x300 is great

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Raid 1 is mirroring or whatever it's called

granite ore Apr 8, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Yeah i want a backup drive

olive wadi Apr 9, 2021, 1:55 AM

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granite ore Yeah i want a backup drive

Raid isn't a backup.

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RAID0 doesn't increase the failure rate of individual drives, but two drives are more likely to fail than one

minor sun Apr 9, 2021, 2:00 AM

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uh

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no?

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@nimble robin with raid 1, it's running 1 drive with the downsides of running 2 drives kinda

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since it's just mirrored

upper quiver Apr 9, 2021, 2:03 AM

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with RAID 1, the odds of drive failure increase, but the odds of losing data because of it decrease

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so its for real important data

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but at that point just backup to the cloud or a NAS or smthn

minor sun Apr 9, 2021, 2:04 AM

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anyways raid 1 dumb

upper quiver Apr 9, 2021, 2:04 AM

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yeah p much

minor sun Apr 9, 2021, 2:04 AM

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raid, what, 5, is the nice one, distributed parity iirc

upper quiver Apr 9, 2021, 2:04 AM

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yep

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raid 5 cool

minor sun Apr 9, 2021, 2:05 AM

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basically you can use what, 3/4 the space, but same protections as raid 1

upper quiver Apr 9, 2021, 2:05 AM

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with increased speed Pogey

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assuming your raid controller is up to snuff

plush crag Apr 9, 2021, 2:30 AM

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heavy dagger Apr 9, 2021, 8:42 PM

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I just bought an easystore from BB to shuck and found that the case was slightly popped. Should I be concerned with that

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actually it might be ded 😦

sour wadi Apr 9, 2021, 8:49 PM

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time to return then

heavy dagger Apr 9, 2021, 8:50 PM

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yeah I tried to plug it into my Unraid server and it didn't show up. Then plugged into my Mac and still not showing up it looks

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Honestly it looks like someone shucked it and resealed the box carefully

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With a borked drive

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Anyone know of anything that might need to be done to get these to work. Want to make sure Im not being dumb lol

olive wadi Apr 9, 2021, 9:25 PM

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heavy dagger yeah I tried to plug it into my Unraid server and it didn't show up. Then plugge...

3.3V rail?

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Shucked drives often will not start if there is 3.3V power

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molex to sata or kapton tape would solve the problem

heavy dagger Apr 9, 2021, 9:25 PM

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I didn't shuck it yet

olive wadi Apr 9, 2021, 9:25 PM

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oh lol

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would rma then

heavy dagger Apr 9, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Yeah Im bringing it back to BB to get a replacement

olive wadi Apr 10, 2021, 12:04 PM

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base

versed plover Apr 10, 2021, 12:38 PM

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do u guys got any recommendations for a 120gb ssd?

muted pollen Apr 10, 2021, 12:42 PM

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Dont buy one

heavy dagger Apr 10, 2021, 12:47 PM

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versed plover do u guys got any recommendations for a 120gb ssd?

Depends the reason for it.

versed plover Apr 10, 2021, 12:49 PM

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is it better to save up for a 250 gb ssd?

torpid adder Apr 10, 2021, 12:50 PM

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How much are you hoping to spend on a drive?

heavy dagger Apr 10, 2021, 12:50 PM

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What are you using the ssd for?

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And what form factor?

torpid adder Apr 10, 2021, 12:51 PM

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If it's anything from 40 to 60 USD, buy a 500GB drive

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Too many 240/250/256GB drives are priced way too closely to the 480/500/512s

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The higher the capacity of an SSD, the better performance and endurance it has

sour wadi Apr 10, 2021, 12:54 PM

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versed plover is it better to save up for a 250 gb ssd?

250gb ssds are like an extra 10$ max

versed plover Apr 10, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Well it's for my friend, he has a budget build and about 44 dollars to spend for an ssd

sour wadi Apr 10, 2021, 12:55 PM

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You can get 500gb for that much i believe

versed plover Apr 10, 2021, 12:56 PM

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ok, do u you have one you recommend?

sour wadi Apr 10, 2021, 12:57 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8R66Mp/crucial-bx500-480gb-25-solid-state-drive-ct480bx500ssd1

Crucial BX500 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive

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Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WGZ2FT/kingston-a400-480gb-25-solid-state-drive-sa400s37480g

Kingston A400 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive

versed plover Apr 10, 2021, 12:58 PM

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thanks guys

sour wadi Apr 10, 2021, 12:58 PM

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Nb

ashen aurora Apr 10, 2021, 12:59 PM

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sour wadi Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WGZ2FT/kingston-a400-480gb-25-solid-state-dr...

God now wtf

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Those are both terrible tier drives

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Like literally crap

sour wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Yeah but it's 50$ it's an ssd it'll do

ashen aurora Apr 10, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Don’t even buy if the cheapest

ashen aurora Apr 10, 2021, 1:00 PM

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sour wadi Yeah but it's 50$ it's an ssd it'll do

No

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Not how it works

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Both have terrible firmware

olive wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:00 PM

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sour wadi https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8R66Mp/crucial-bx500-480gb-25-solid-state-drive...

both are barely tolerable, and bad for $55

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Do you have an m.2 slot?

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i have like 5 minutes my gamer

ashen aurora Apr 10, 2021, 1:01 PM

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Cringe

olive wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:01 PM

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lol is that decks

sour wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:01 PM

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It's not for me

ashen aurora Apr 10, 2021, 1:01 PM

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olive wadi lol is that decks

love_it

olive wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:01 PM

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sour wadi It's not for me

Do you know if the person who its for has an M.2 slot?

sour wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:01 PM

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Nope, khan was asking

torpid adder Apr 10, 2021, 1:01 PM

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WD Blue 3D 500GB for 60 bucks, has DRAM

sour wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:01 PM

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For their friend i thknk

torpid adder Apr 10, 2021, 1:01 PM

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Cheapest decent 500GB drive with DRAM that I know of

olive wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:02 PM

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caring about dram

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mfw

sour wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:02 PM

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It's still a big upgrade over a hdd tho

olive wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:02 PM

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matters sort of with AHCI drives

olive wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:02 PM

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versed plover ok, do u you have one you recommend?

lol here's my SSD buying guide

📎 GAMEZOIDS_CONSOOMER_SSD_BUYING_GUIDE_WIP.txt

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follow the guide instructions pls

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thanks

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a400 is a garbage heap, still unsure what capacity it stops being planar nand

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but then it's sm2258xt+QLC 🥴

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which significantly better than phison s11+planar tlc but still very poop

ashen aurora Apr 10, 2021, 1:03 PM

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olive wadi i have like 5 minutes my gamer

Bye wallahpity longquran love_it

olive wadi Apr 10, 2021, 1:04 PM

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peace brother

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going to go slip some surly bonds

heavy dagger Apr 11, 2021, 12:12 PM

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This is how you are suppose to cool an easy store during preclear right?

olive wadi Apr 11, 2021, 10:10 PM

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heavy dagger This is how you are suppose to cool an easy store during preclear right?

no you're supposed to use LN2

heavy dagger Apr 11, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Welp guess I gotta go chuck it at the BB entrance

red jay Apr 12, 2021, 4:50 AM

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How many wats would 3 hdd drives 3 ssd and 4 m.2 use?

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 4:57 AM

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It depends on model exactly, but I'd guess around 50 Watts (assuming all drives are actively writing). 6-8 Watts per Hdd, 3 W per SSD, 5 W per PCIe M.2)

red jay Apr 12, 2021, 5:03 AM

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Ok so would i be able to do a gtx 3070 i7 10700k with oc?

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On a 850 wat gold

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 5:05 AM

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Yeah that'll be plenty of power for even a 3080

red jay Apr 12, 2021, 5:06 AM

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Ok thank u

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Im new so i didnt know

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Anything else take power i need to know of?

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Nothing that you need to worry about when figuring out power needs. The RAM will take some, so will the case fans, whatever you have plugged into the computer, all small stuff with few exceptions.

red jay Apr 12, 2021, 5:09 AM

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So 7 famd and 4 16gb of ram be fine?

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Its 6 for case and 1 for cpu coolor

muted pollen Apr 12, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Yes

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It wont take more then 30

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Yeah it'll all be fine

red jay Apr 12, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Ok thank you

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 5:10 AM

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And that's also assuming everything is being used at once, which usually is not the case, but if it were there would still be plenty of overhead

red jay Apr 12, 2021, 5:10 AM

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Ok thx

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https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-00H4-00019?Item=9SIAP4KDPG5244&cm_sp=SP-_-501918-_-Pers_ProductAlsoView-_-4-_-9SIAP4KDPG5244-_-11-112-590-_--_-4 what the name of this case

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Trying to see if theres any probs

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 5:15 AM

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Looks like it's a Musetex 903-S4

red jay Apr 12, 2021, 5:16 AM

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Ok thx

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 5:17 AM

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For that price range I'd look at the Corsair 4000d Airflow, it'll be cooler than something with a solid panel in front of the fans.

fast ore Apr 12, 2021, 5:21 AM

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I have a odd disk arrangement that came with my second hand server that is about 10 years old and was wondering what the best disk configuration would be for my server.

It has

2x intel 250 gb ssd

4x WD 2 tb sas enterprise hdd

2x WD 4 tb sas enterprise hdd

I plan to host vms for minecraft servers, plex, home automation software, and some backend software for some apps.

Specs are

Dual 16 core xeons

160 gb of ram

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 5:22 AM

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How much fault tolerance do you need? How much space do you think you'll need max?

fast ore Apr 12, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Idk

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Im fine with loosing a couple tb

red jay Apr 12, 2021, 5:24 AM

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Is the vetro v5 a good coolor?

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Or any other sagestions i dont want to go to water cooling

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 5:26 AM

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There's several options available with that many disks
If you don't need rock-solid stability you can do the SSDs in RAID 0 for 500GB fast boot volume, run the 4x 2TB drives in RAID 0, and use the 4TB drives for backup. You'd have 8 TB in the RAID array and 8TB backup/other.

fast ore Apr 12, 2021, 5:27 AM

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8 tb dosent sound bad

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I think ill do that

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So do i just setup proxmox with raid 0 on the ssds in setup?

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 5:27 AM

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red jay Is the vetro v5 a good coolor?

Yes that's a good one, also the Gammax 400 or SE224

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 5:29 AM

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fast ore So do i just setup proxmox with raid 0 on the ssds in setup?

You can do any kind of hardware or software RAID. Windows even has options built in for software mode.

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 9:02 AM

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blazing musk There's several options available with that many disks If you don't need rock-so...

Raid 10

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 1:45 PM

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Does anyone here use an USB-C expansion PCI-e Card? I am back and forth on these cards with trusting they wont be junk

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:25 PM

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plush wave Does anyone here use an USB-C expansion PCI-e Card? I am back and forth on thes...

Like a external gpu box?

sour wadi Apr 12, 2021, 2:31 PM

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If so don't bother just get a mid range laptop and a desktop those gpu enclosers arent as good and they're v expensive just get a decent desktop and laptop it will be less or same money better performance

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 2:37 PM

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no no. desktop expansion card. I only have one USB-C, looking to get more. No such thing as a USB-C hub (that i could find) so only other option is an expansion card.

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 2:38 PM

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rapid dagger Like a external gpu box?

https://www.newegg.com/p/17Z-00VP-00001?Description=usb-c pcie&cm_re=usb-c_pcie-_-9SIAMZWBZB3194-_-Product&quicklink=true

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:44 PM

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plush wave https://www.newegg.com/p/17Z-00VP-00001?Description=usb-c%20pcie&cm_re=usb-c_pci...

As long as reviews say it works it should work

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Usb expansion cards are very common

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Might have to download drivers

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It won’t have thunderbolt capabilities

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Obviously

sour wadi Apr 12, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Ohh yeah they're fine

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Yea well sometimes reviewer are trash HA seeing is any techies have first hand. Get something that advertised 2GBps and only can do 500mb

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:48 PM

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@plush wave What do you need so much usbc for? Most people don’t have that many devices that require usb c

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 2:50 PM

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USB-C to dual monitor, Ethernet. USB-C headset, USB-C camera

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and actually i have a Intel 6th series so the USB-C i have isnt even real USB-C

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its just USB-C "type"

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 2:53 PM

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So you want thunderbolt

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because usb c is a connector not a standard

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so all usb c devises are usb c type

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including thunderbolt

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:54 PM

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plush wave USB-C to dual monitor, Ethernet. USB-C headset, USB-C camera

Well any usb-c is just usb type c unless it’s thunderbolt.
For headset you could convert from c to a
Depending on camera it could have different output, or just convert
Is there not two display out ports already? A lot of monitors only accept thunderbolt input not just usb c

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Just buy Ethernet card

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 2:55 PM

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dont really want to turn this into USB-C type battle. But there was USB-C back in the say, but it isnt compatible with most newer USB-C devices, Then there is also Thunderbolt.

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 2:55 PM

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plush wave dont really want to turn this into USB-C type battle. But there was USB-C back i...

usb c is a connector

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not a standard

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:56 PM

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I’m pretty sure it’s just a connector

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 2:56 PM

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I am trying to make it for quick docking to my Zephyrus unplug desktop plug in laptop

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thats why

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:56 PM

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plush wave I am trying to make it for quick docking to my Zephyrus unplug desktop plug in l...

Get a monitor with multiple display inputs

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And kvm switch

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 2:56 PM

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the USB-C to dispaly port isnt compatible with my Desktop USB-C

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Like a M27q

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 2:56 PM

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also usb c doesnt have display unless its using the thunderbolt standard

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:57 PM

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plush wave the USB-C to dispaly port isnt compatible with my Desktop USB-C

It wouldn’t be with the card anyway

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 2:57 PM

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plush wave the USB-C to dispaly port isnt compatible with my Desktop USB-C

because you need thunderbolt

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 2:57 PM

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NOPE

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 2:57 PM

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not regular

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 2:57 PM

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its compatible with my Zephryus and thats not thunderbolt

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:57 PM

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plush wave its compatible with my Zephryus and thats not thunderbolt

can assure you if it does display out it is thunderbolt

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 2:57 PM

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plush wave its compatible with my Zephryus and thats not thunderbolt

model?

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usb c is data only. thunderbolt does display

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Zephyrus G14 GA401

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 2:59 PM

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1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C support DisplayPort / power delivery / G-SYNC

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thats the usb c it has

sour wadi Apr 12, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Thunderbolt uses the usb c connecter

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 2:59 PM

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1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C

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also that

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 2:59 PM

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pallid orchid 1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C support DisplayPort / power delivery / G-SYNC

THIS is display port usb c

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:59 PM

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So it’s a DisplayPort port that’s a usb c

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 2:59 PM

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pallid orchid THIS is display port usb c

Prob just slow thunderbolt

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 3:00 PM

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OMG turned into what i didnt want a fight of over USB-C

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:00 PM

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rapid dagger Prob just slow thunderbolt

Its on AMD so no thunderbolt

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its basically display compatible with display port

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:00 PM

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pallid orchid Its on AMD so no thunderbolt

Well it’s essentially DisplayPort connector but in usb c port form

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:00 PM

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expansion cards are not

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:00 PM

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rapid dagger Well it’s essentially DisplayPort connector but in usb c port form

since usb c is a connector not a standard

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Yee

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:01 PM

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which is both our point this whole time

sour wadi Apr 12, 2021, 3:01 PM

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pallid orchid since usb c is a connector not a standard

Yep you can have usb 2.0 type c

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 3:01 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0874M3KW4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:01 PM

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@plush wave buy a monitor with kvm switch and usb c display input, and then you can switch easily between them

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Solution

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Other stuff you can just convert to usb a if you have enough ports

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:02 PM

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plush wave https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0874M3KW4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?i...

that doesnt do display unless you plug it into a thunderbolt port

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 3:02 PM

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I will buy the $30 expansion card and update you guys.

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:02 PM

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which you dont have because AMD

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 3:02 PM

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well it works on the zephyrus oh well

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:03 PM

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plush wave well it works on the zephyrus oh well

zephrus intel models

sour wadi Apr 12, 2021, 3:03 PM

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plush wave I will buy the $30 expansion card and update you guys.

It wont work

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:03 PM

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amd doesnt support the thunderbolt standard on their cpus

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:03 PM

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pallid orchid amd doesnt support the thunderbolt standard on their cpus

He’s going to use it on his pc

sour wadi Apr 12, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Thunderbolt is created by intel and apple so amd doesn't have

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Which is 6th gen intel

sour wadi Apr 12, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Oooof

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:03 PM

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So no thunderbolt prob

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 3:03 PM

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grrrr

sour wadi Apr 12, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Mb thunderbolt 1 or something XD

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:04 PM

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rapid dagger He’s going to use it on his pc

he keeps throwing around his zephrus here which is an amd chip

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 3:04 PM

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Yea, because i wanted single cable montior and Ethernet docking

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:04 PM

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pallid orchid he keeps throwing around his zephrus here which is an amd chip

He wants to be able to use one cable from a monitor to easily switch between pc and docked zephyrus

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:04 PM

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rapid dagger He wants to be able to use one cable from a monitor to easily switch between pc ...

true

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but can use only 1 device at a time

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:05 PM

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But that’s literally what a kvm switch does

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 3:05 PM

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right, desktop is for work and laptop is for play

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Except with two cables instead of one

pallid orchid Apr 12, 2021, 3:05 PM

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either the monitor or the VR headset

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anyway imma yeet

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bye

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:05 PM

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plush wave right, desktop is for work and laptop is for play

Buy a M27q

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Has the feature you want

plush wave Apr 12, 2021, 3:06 PM

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looks legit

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so gift my monitor to the nephew and justify the $400 purchase to Wifey

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M27Q wont fit in amazon hub for hiding from wifey

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:09 PM

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plush wave looks legit

You can do usb c to your laptop and hdmi/dp to your pc

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And not sure how the kvm thing works exactly but you should be able to control the pc and laptop with the same keyboard and mouse without switching cables if you plug the keyboard and mouse into the integrated usb hub

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I have M27q but don’t have a laptop to test it

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 3:17 PM

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There's a usb cable that's used for the built in hub, if you switch the one cable you could switch the device the hub is on

rapid dagger Apr 12, 2021, 3:25 PM

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blazing musk There's a usb cable that's used for the built in hub, if you switch the one cabl...

I believe the cable goes to the pc then the usb c to the laptop carries the display and data from the hub

blazing musk Apr 12, 2021, 3:26 PM

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Yes, the hub is a separate cable than the usb c

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It's an old type B usb, that printers used to use

olive wadi Apr 12, 2021, 3:30 PM

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sour wadi Thunderbolt is created by intel and apple so amd doesn't have

there is more than one AM4 motherboard which supports TB3

sour wadi Apr 12, 2021, 3:31 PM

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olive wadi there is more than one AM4 motherboard which supports TB3

Okay yes but chances are they don't have a thunderbolt board for amd

olive wadi Apr 12, 2021, 3:32 PM

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probably not lol

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i only know three off the top of my head