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#storage-devices
olive wadi
minor sun
@olive wadi gotta get tdmr in there too >:D
olive wadi
poopy magnetic recording
dapper bear
Newbie, looking for desktop box for several bays, thinking 2 ironwolf 18's to start, any recommendations. Looking to consolidate lots of photos~ 75k+ Also need file recovery software recommendations Mac's, but will interface with PC too. Any recommendations appreciated.
desktop storage
nimble robin
Why not just get a NAS?
minor sun
I assume they're asking for a nas..?
untold grove
Newbie, looking for desktop box for several bays, thinking 2 ironwolf 18's to st...
i appreciate the foresight, going with seagate drives and having a file recovery system on standby 
id use wd/toshiba nas drives
iirc toshiba maxes at 12tb rn though
minor sun
File recovery like raid 1 or like cloud backup also a question
nimble robin
Looks pretty fugly tbh
modern knot
: (
nimble robin
Which drive is it
modern knot
The benchmark was at 1gb
Not full load
But either way I’m happy haha I come from HDD
modern knot
Yeahh
untold grove
File recovery like raid 1 or like cloud backup also a question
raid is not a backup
raid is real time replication
untold grove
no
raid is just a somewhat self healing array
it is NEVER to be confused with a backup
it is redundancy only
upper quiver
^
minor sun
okai
torpid adder
blazing musk
A good techie is always asking questions and expanding their knowledge further, while helping others do the same. Never stop learning.
upper quiver
you have learned of my existence
untold grove
wait no maybe a few things
upper quiver
to some degree
upper quiver
untold grove
upper quiver
:bean:
untold grove
i have learned that as long as u meme u can advertise in #general-chat
kidding mods pls no
blazing musk
At least you don't go over the top plugging your business
untold grove
i never unironically advertise here
blazing musk
Hey, would you be mad if I had you host for me and I uploaded my vintage virus collection 
olive wadi
iirc toshiba maxes at 12tb rn though
i have a 14tb mg07
enterprise drive
you can get them in 16tb
untold grove
14tb
untold grove
Hey, would you be mad if I had you host for me and I uploaded my vintage virus c...
1tb have fun
blazing musk
I'll take that as a no then
untold grove
I'll take that as a no then
i already have a lot
feral kelp
Hi Techno-wizards....I need some advice. We have a Dell 3200 rack server with 2TB swappable (replaceable) hard drives. Dell doesn't have anymore in stock. Any suggestions where to purchase? (Dell Tag Number 3ZJ4HQ1 for Server). Thanks - Angie
blazing musk
@feral kelp The powervault md3200? That uses SAS drives. Any SAS drive should do, it doesn't specify any specific drives in the manual.
feral kelp
Thank you Fal'Cie
sinful glacier
should i get a 1tb ssd or a 4tb hdd for my steam library
blazing musk
Depends what you play. Large games like CoD? Or relatively smaller games?
SSD is preferred to minimize load times but if you're running a bunch of massive games you'll need the space
late vector
get both imo
past peak
either would work depending on the size of your library tbh
ssd is preferred over hdd but if it's such a big library then go hdd
open gazelle
If you have an SSD OS drive, HDD not really be that slow as a game drive
olive wadi
ssd is preferred over hdd but if it's such a big library then go hdd
or buy phat ssd 😎
hearty leaf
How do you fix a automatic repair on a pc
past peak
or buy phat ssd 😎
phat ssd is expensive smh
blazing musk
Duuuuude that has to be filled now, it must live to its potential
foggy remnant
I am looking at the "ORICO 2 Bay Dual Bay 2.5'' HDD Enclosure With Raid Function SATA to USB 3.0 Transparent Hard Drive Box Support UASP for 2.5 inch 7-9.5 mm Support UASP protocol SATA III Tool Free Up to 6TB"
Does this include a dual-SATA to USB 3.0 adapter?
I have dual Samsung drives that were in a Seagate housing using RAID0.
Before I purchase this product, I want to be sure that I can attach old striped disks to save the data. Any ideas?
blazing musk
You can recover raid volumes even if you only plug one in at a time, you just make a virtual disk out of the bits and raid them in software
foggy remnant
That's good to know! Thank you
But this case is cheaper than the software, as far as I can tell
fierce bloom
that is a really long name huh
nimble robin
Who are you?
torpid adder
Who are you?
frosty orbit
Who are you?
olive wadi
Who are you?
Who are you?
minor sun
Who are you?
Who are you?
red jay
Can I use any m.2 slots for my OS? Or does it have to be the first one?
dusk turtle
any
red jay
I’m trying to research what 32gb/s vs 64gb/s m.2 support means. Can’t find anything on it. Is it just 64gb/s the new gen support? Im totally lost 😅
red jay
So if I use a gen 3 m.2 nvme ssd on a pci-e 4 slot is that fine?
dusk turtle
Yep
red jay
Ahh okay i did some research. Makes more sense now. Thank you
dusk turtle
YW
olive wadi
Can I use any m.2 slots for my OS? Or does it have to be the first one?
would recommend using the first one
generally uses PCIE lanes off the CPU and muh latency is lower
doesn't really matter if you use the second one though
red jay
Ahh. I used the second one because it had a heatsink, my mobo is b550m tuf gaming plus wifi
Is it easy to switch back to the first slot?
nimble robin
You can put the heatsink on other slots
And yeah, just unscrew, unslot, slot in to new slot, screw back in
red jay
Got it! Thanks!
nimble robin
If it doesn’t boot to the right drive or it says no OS detected then maybe dig around in the boot order part of BIOS
olive wadi
Ahh. I used the second one because it had a heatsink, my mobo is b550m tuf gamin...
Don't swap them
If the heatsink is there there's a good chance they just wired the board differently
Bottom slot is probably CPU lanes, top slot chipset lanes
red jay
It said the top slot is 64gb/s pcie 4. The bottom is 32gb/s
red jay
It said in their website
Asus TUF B550m Gaming Plus Wifi
Or TUF Gaming B550m Plus wifi i mean
red jay
Yeaah
red jay
But bottom just has the heatsink.
dusk turtle
Don't waste money on gen 4 drives yet, not worth it
Not really gonna matter which slot TBH
dusk turtle
Yep
red jay
Just the heatsink. Is the difference
dusk turtle
It's just the M2_1 slot is PCI-E 4.0 if you have a gen 4 drive
minor sun
@olive wadi so uh, I recognized your pfp, and remembered to research that again, is the control gate the word line?
olive wadi
<@261617855257116672> so uh, I recognized your pfp, and remembered to research t...
word line controls the control gate
minor sun
Asus big brain time
minor sun
Tanks
olive wadi
modern CFT cells are just a very abstract floating gate mosfet
minor sun
I go look at how writing to charge traps works now
olive wadi
same way that writing to FGmos works
pulling the word line high, and using nordheim fowler tunelling and high current density to get electrons into the flashtrap
minor sun
I barely understand what fgmos is, not to say anything about understanding what it does
olive wadi
I barely understand what fgmos is, not to say anything about understanding what ...
fgmos is just a mosfet with a floating gate
a transistor with an extra gate that retains its properties during power loss
CFT is the same thing it's just been turned abstract ™️
basically takes fgmos structure and turns it into a cylinder
minor sun
Yea, I know that much, but I'm not sure on how the "floating" gate affects the mosfet itself, and the principles behind it
olive wadi
pretty simple
minor sun
So back to that channel I go
minor sun
Okay
olive wadi
if the floating gate (or flashtrap) is charged you add resistance
because electrons are negatively charged
and negative repels negative
so you change the voltage threshold
minor sun
Yes, but how do you change the electrons in the charge trap
olive wadi
because you've added resistance to the channel going through
minor sun
How does it go in and out
olive wadi
fowler nordheim tunelling
quantum leap ™️
Basically there's some dumb rule that some guy discovered
minor sun
Yay quantum tunneling
olive wadi
that electrons can magically jump through materials they normally wouldn't bea ble to
purely based on probability
so you put super high current density off the bit line into the channel going through the string
and pull the word line high for the cells you want to program
minor sun
The bit line is the center channel, right?
minor sun
Ah, so the bit line connects the center channel to the controller?
olive wadi
when the word line is pulled high (positive charge) you have a high voltage between the channel and the flashtrap
so theres tunnelling
olive wadi
Ah, so the bit line connects the center channel to the controller?
it connects it to the peripheral circuitry
which is then connected to the rest of the ssd
which is then connected to the controller
minor sun
Okay
olive wadi
peripheral circuitry being the circuitry that's used to control the bit line and word line etc
minor sun
So how does changing the voltage while reading not edit what's in the charge trap, or does it?
olive wadi
it doesn't
although it technically can
which is why we have ECC just in case
but it shouldn't
olive wadi
no you don't let any electrons leave when you read a cell
you just run current through the center channel off the bit line and read the voltage threshold required to let the current pass each cell
minor sun
I thought since word line voltage go up and down to read threshold voltage, that voltage would make electrons yeet themselves into the CT or out of the CT
olive wadi
current density shouldn't be enough
but it can still happen
which is why there's ECC
remember you need high current density to increase the probability of fowler nordheim tunnelling
minor sun
Current density is density of electrons, correct?
minor sun
So, is this about density of electrons in the gate or the central channel?
olive wadi
central channel
you read and write from the central channel
and use the word line to either allow current to pass, or charge the CFT
in order to discharge the CFT you apply a negative charge to the control gate
which should force the CFT to discharge in the central channel
that's not even the complicated part tbh
minor sun
I am smol brain
olive wadi
sub-page bs i don't even want to bother with
well we're reaching the limits of my understanding
minor sun
I'll try to stay within
olive wadi
modern nand pee pee poo poos all over the traditional rules
when we get into sub-page addressibility
olive wadi
i don't understand sub page awareness but it's real
4K random read/write is addressing sub pages
minor sun
Hmmmm
minor sun
Won't reach mine at all then xD
minor sun
So, the difference between reading and writing is that there's not enough electrons (current density) in the central channel while reading, and when you're not reading, electrons (current density) stack up in the central channel, therefore changing the word line can affect the CT?
olive wadi
So, the difference between reading and writing is that there's not enough electr...
yep
ish
another difference is that you'd pull the voltage higher on the word line for writing
so high current density+high voltage on the word line=program to the cell
olive wadi
if we were to erase a cell though I'd assume we'd wipe out a page since erasing isn't dependent on the bit line
olive wadi
(negative word line)
negatively charged word line would only be used for erasing
minor sun
So, you're not zeroing a drive, but one-ing a drive?
minor sun
Lol
minor sun
Fair, I'll take a look when I'm off mobile
olive wadi
got rid of all "rarely priced well" and just put in all caps to buy the cheapest at the top
olive wadi
nope
minor sun
Hm
olive wadi
No XT=not dramless
minor sun
Hm
olive wadi
unsure how phisons naming scheme works
minor sun
Probably want to put a quick explanation on the bottom for controller, dram vs hmb, and how seq doesn't mean everyday perf
olive wadi
Probably want to put a quick explanation on the bottom for controller, dram vs h...
MAYBE
minor sun
And I kind of want to touch addressing sub-pages, it's prob too complicated for my smol brain, but from the explanation, it's something with controller magic that ignores inputs from certain bit lines at certain word line voltages?
minor sun
Well, maybe not controller side, if bit line is connected to peripheral circuitry
minor sun
You can WHAT
olive wadi
rows
so if you don't want to write to a cell on a specific string
just don't apply any current to the bit line there
minor sun
Turn them off as in actually making them unusable or telling the controller to ignore them?
olive wadi
as in
don't make electricity go through the bit line that's connected to the string with the cell that you don't want to modify while you are modifying other cells in the page
minor sun
Oh, so controller can actually control electron movement through the central channel and bit lines?
olive wadi
if there's no electricity going down the string there's no way to program to the cell
olive wadi
Oh, so controller can actually control electron movement through the central cha...
the controller can control the peripheral circuitry
which can control the movement of electricity
minor sun
Is there something at the "bottom" of the stacks of cells connected to the peripheral circuitry?
olive wadi
there are transistors in here called the bit line selector transistor
and if a bit line isn't selected there isn't electricity flowing through it
olive wadi
Is there something at the "bottom" of the stacks of cells connected to the perip...
ground? lol
remember
there are things called bit line selectors
and word line selectors
they are just transistors which pick which bitlines and word lines we want electricity going through
so if we don't select those
minor sun
Forcing me to get out of bed to make an illustration for a question smh
olive wadi
no electricity goes through them
gonna pull out the planar nand diagram
if i pull word line 2 high
but don't select the bit line select transistor
minor sun
O no electrical diagrams
minor sun
Hm
olive wadi
HOWEVER i don't understand how you can erase sub-pages or if it's even possible
because you don't need electricity flowing through the string to erase the cell
minor sun
My previous question was about the ground select transistor, looks like it exists
minor sun
Something at the 'bottom'
olive wadi
ACTUALLY
if the ground selector transistor
is closed
does erasing the cell still work??? 🤔
im not an EE so i have no clue
lmao
who cares
minor sun
There'd be no voltage if there's no ground tho, right?
olive wadi
SSDs are boring
minor sun
I'm nowhere near an ee person
olive wadi
There'd be no voltage if there's no ground tho, right?
yep you might need the ground open to create enough voltage to erase a cell
minor sun
Better to learn now
minor sun
If there's no voltage, electrons should stay where they are, so depending on the previous action, there may or may not be enough current density to allow for reading/writing? Maybe???
Too much information for one day, I think I'll come back in a month to ask aegis questions after I forget everything :p
olive wadi
lol pee pee poo poo
minor sun
@olive wadi by the way, where's the natural habitat of this newmaxx guy?
olive wadi
oh yea there's also like a thing called the source line aswell
bit weird on some diagrams
minor sun
@olive wadi gib diagram?
Guessing from the name, is it something that connects central channel to ground?
olive wadi
end me please
too many diagrams out there that have small contradictions
varies from die to die
😎
use google
minor sun
Rip google tells me nothing tho
I guess I need to go back and check up on what exactly the differences between nor and nand conceptually is
@olive wadi maybe last question, so nand theoretically may or may not be able to address sub-pages, but nand by nature is not bit addressable, right?
Actually no I'm being dumb
Each CTF nand cell holds multiple bits
It'd be impossible to address a single bit
urban elm
Sorry to jump in lads. For gaming the quality of an M.2 drive doesn't really matter right as long as it had cashe?
minor sun
SSDs are weird and wacky
Since we're talking about gaming, here's a loading time benchmark, the SN550 is a dramless drive, but uses HMB, and still pulls ahead of other drives slightly
narrow sorrel
I thought the SN 550 used slc caching?
dusk turtle
There's no mushkin on there
minor sun
no helix-l or pilot-e, but just example
narrow sorrel
Yeah but specifically no HMB on the 550
minor sun
it's wacky asf
vital jay
any 50$ cad nvme drives?
minor sun
It uses HMB @narrow sorrel. Quoting Tom's hardware:
"While the WD Blue SN500 went without DRAM or HMB and instead relied solely on a small portion of SRAM for the task, WD’s Blue SN550 adopts the feature. Windows reports a default allocation amount of 64MB of the host system’s DRAM."
narrow sorrel
Oh, I misread that when I looked it up. Now I feel like a goof. I even have two of them 
minor sun
lel
narrow sorrel
's fine, I just run them in raid and shove my games on them, dram makes no difference to me
olive wadi
I thought the SN 550 used slc caching?
every SSD which uses QLC or TLC flash uses PSLC caching
olive wadi
Before they nerfed it
it's game loading times are probably still the same lmao
dusk turtle
probs yeah
urban elm
So if I'm only using my rig to game there's no need for me to get something like Samsung 970 Evo plus right? Been debating on which M.2 to buy for a while.
olive wadi
So if I'm only using my rig to game there's no need for me to get something like...
READ
BUY CHEAPEST IN CATEGORY THAT APPLIES TO YOUR USE CASE
???? PROFIT
urban elm
I'm trying to figure it out. The rig I have is a small build so I'm trying to only run M.2's
narrow sorrel
Geez, calm down on the caps lock
olive wadi
Geez, calm down on the caps lock
no
minor sun
Windshields Lock™
nimble robin
Idk she said she was banned for quoting a price for lililabs server to bob but I didn’t believe her
minor sun
Huh?
vital jay
thx
minor sun
inland ones are annoying
like need to differentiate between the Inland Premium NVMe drive with E12 and TLC
and the SATA with unknown controller
olive wadi
yea but people buy them so
worth tiering
or rather
they aren't garbage
so worth tiering
mild sluice
Idk she said she was banned for quoting a price for lililabs server to bob but I...
I demand the bean returns
olive wadi
Idk she said she was banned for quoting a price for lililabs server to bob but I...
wheres the server with the ball emojis at
like
the birds
which are balls
like ball shaped
circular birds
spheres
nimble robin
huh
nimble robin
no, i dont
upper quiver
woeful solar
i'm stealing that entire sentence
olive wadi
<:berd:524512939777196032>
not that
minor sun
@olive wadi might've taken newmaxx's pdf, so, a page is all the cells that share a word line, and a block is all the cells that share the central column/bit line right?
olive wadi
<@!261617855257116672> might've taken newmaxx's pdf, so, a page is all the cells...
something like that
busyt
going to go slip some surly bonds
olive wadi
dont worry about it
red jay
Hey is it worth it to get sn750 over the sn550? For day to day stuff?
red jay
Yeah. I don’t think I’ll be sending massive files everyday
minor sun
check pilot-e, mp34, sn750
nimble robin
P31 gold
minor sun
if none of those, check helix-l, mp33, sn550
nimble robin
there arent any 'opinions' here, just facts
minor sun
they're coasting off fame
nimble robin
they're coasting off fame
astral tiger
minor sun
yes, I'm agreeing with you
astral tiger
Haha 😂
minor sun
check pilot-e, mp34, sn750
@astral tiger check the price on rest of these
nimble robin
also P31 gold
minor sun
Yes
astral tiger
Okay
nimble robin
mp34 it is
astral tiger
I’d go for samsung
nimble robin
yeah
astral tiger
Okay 😁 everything solved
Now i can sleep peacefully 😌
Sn750 is so expensive
367qar
minor sun
@olive wadi so, back for more questions, are there usually isolation WL's between sub-blocks? or are those only in cells that are designed for sub-block erasure, or, dunno, large cells like 128L but not on 64L
olive wadi
<@!261617855257116672> so, back for more questions, are there usually isolation ...
done some talking to newmaxx
you don't erase sub blocks
you always erase by the entire block to avoid excessive wear
olive wadi
<@261617855257116672> so the isolation WLs are normal?
pretty sure
minor sun
Interesting
olive wadi
you have dummy word lines that don't count as "layers"
olive wadi
layers just counts the amount of actual word lines
minor sun
hm
@olive wadi do higher layer count flash just get rid of some isolation WLs and hope ECC catches all the errors from distortion?
olive wadi
<@!261617855257116672> do higher layer count flash just get rid of some isolatio...
you don't need much in the way of isolation WL with modern nand I don't believe
in 3D nand you have a decent bit of leeway in not having too much cell interference
and i mean, NAND in general requires ECC so
would be interesting to see how many corrected errors your drive gets just doing regular things lol
minor sun
hm
silver island
is there any graceful way to put an external USB HDD in a case?
torpid adder
Why would you want to
silver island
Well, it has a 3.5" SATA III HDD in it @torpid adder
I'm waiting on the parts for the entire build so not sure.
torpid adder
You shouldn't remove an external drive from its enclosure
silver island
It's broken, but the drive itself is perfect
torpid adder
They don't use SATA ports on them
olive wadi
They don't use SATA ports on them
They generally do use sata ports..
Or else shucking wouldn't be a thing
tranquil ice
is this a good ssd? https://www.newegg.ca/samsung-860-evo-series-500gb/p/N82E16820147674
silver island
They generally do use sata ports..
it looks usable to me, just need to pick up some cables (I think)
olive wadi
it looks usable to me, just need to pick up some cables (I think)
often with those you'll have trouble with 3.3V power not letting them start up
you may need to pin mod them or use a molex to sata (one that's crimped not molded or 🔥) to get the drive to start
olive wadi
is this a good ssd? https://www.newegg.ca/samsung-860-evo-series-500gb/p/N82E16...
Look for cheaper options in the "What if I don't have an m.2 slot" If you don't have one
otherwise it's fine ish
red jay
Is there someone here that can tell me if this M.2: https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-1tb-black-sn850-nvme/p/N82E16820250161?Item=N82E16820250161 is compatible with this motherboard: https://www.newegg.com/evga-x99-classified-151-he-e999-kr/p/N82E16813188163 ? I am looking to buy the above M.2 but I am having a hard time determining whether or not they are compatible. Please help.
muted pollen
It does support m.2 but not sure if it supporting pcle 3 or 4.
Its supporting only pcle 3 for what i have seen so you wont get the full write/read speed the m.2 you want to buy is offering
@red jay
red jay
@muted pollen So if I get the PCIe 4 M.2, it will bottleneck to the PCIe 3 limit?
muted pollen
<@454366727384334336> So if I get the PCIe 4 M.2, it will bottleneck to the PCIe...
Yes
red jay
@muted pollen Thank you for clearing that up for me. I was actually concerned that might be the case too because of my motherboard being now 5 years old. Perhaps it's time to upgrade my PC again.
outer pecan
Btw Intel doesn’t support Gen 4 right now currently it’s just AMD
red jay
I didn't realize that. Given the newest versions of AMD processors now, do you think it would be worth it to change to AMD or should I stay with Intel? I currently have an i7 5820K, 16GB RAM, and a GTX1080.
outer pecan
No idea been trying to figure that out myself
red jay
I know the feeling. I see a bunch of videos of reviewers like Jaystwocents. What he shows seems promising but what he gets for performance may not be what I get at home.
My last AMD was an AMD FX60 back in 2006.
outer pecan
I’ve never had an AMD
red jay
I guess it comes down to personal preference and price.
Hoorah. Both my gen4 drives finally run at full speed.
silver island
often with those you'll have trouble with 3.3V power not letting them start up
Idk how to do that, but thanks for mentioning that it might need that
olive wadi
Idk how to do that, but thanks for mentioning that it might need that
lots of tutorials on youtube
languid jetty
Hello guys, I have a question related to upgrading my MSI GL62M 7RDX 128 gb m2 drive to 512 gb any suggestions would be appreciated also which adapter would work best for data cloning -- Thanks Rit
languid jetty
transfer cable .. I am looking at https://www.newegg.com/intel-660p-series-512gb/p/0D9-002V-003Y7?Item=0D9-002V-003Y7
currently
nimble robin
what motherboard do you have
languid jetty
MS-16J9
languid jetty
yes its MSI GL62M 7RDX laptop
OS Windows 10 Home
DISPLAY 15.6" FHD (1920x1080), Wide-View
15.6" FHD (1920x1080), IPS-Level
CHIPSET Intel® HM175
GRAPHICS GeForce® GTX 1050 with 2GB GDDR5
MEMORY DDR4-2400, 2 Slots, Max 32GB,
STORAGE CAPABILITY 1x M.2 SSD Combo (NVMe PCIe Gen3 / SATA ) SSD 1x 2.5" SATA HDD HDD
WEBCAM HD type (30fps@720p)
KEYBOARD Backlight Keyboard (Single-Color, White)
Backlight Keyboard (Single-Color, Red)
COMMUNICATION Gb LAN
802.11 ac Wi-Fi + Bluetooth v4.2
AUDIO JACK 1x Mic-in
1x Headphone-out (SPDIF)
I/O PORTS 1x Type-A USB2.0
1x RJ45
1x SD (XC/HC)
1x (4K @ 30Hz) HDMI
1x Mini-DisplayPort
BATTERY 41 Whr
AC ADAPTER 135W adapter
DIMENSION (WXDXH) 383 x 260 x 22~29 mm
WEIGHT (W/ BATTERY) 2.2 kg
nimble robin
ok
I do not believe that laptop has an M.2 slot
I do see Sata on the motherboard though
languid jetty
it says STORAGE CAPABILITY 1x M.2 SSD Combo (NVMe PCIe Gen3 / SATA ) SSD 1x 2.5" SATA HDD HDD
nimble robin
does it now?
how many drives do you currently have in there?
an SSD and an HDD I presume?
red jay
should i factory reset my laptop? it doesnt have much space, i went to download a game but didnt realize it would leave me with 4 gb
red jay
when the biggest item in there is 2 gb
windirstat
in
the windows r thing?
or
an app
dusk turtle
Bigger deive might be good though. 120 gb kinda small
red jay
ik
minor sun
Windirstat is a separate software
red jay
im gonna talk to my parents about upgrading to maybe a 500gb SSD
minor sun
But windows itself has an option to delete temp data
red jay
which shouldnt cost too much
red jay
@minor sun is it off of the website i screenshotted
minor sun
That should be it
red jay
wtf
minor sun
Every block is a file
color is type of file
click on them to check what file is what
red jay
idk but i agree
minor sun
@nimble robin nah, it's a visual representation of what each file is taking up size wise
dusk turtle
No
minor sun
It's sorted by folder (Location wise)
dusk turtle
Just organjzed by file type
minor sun
Color is by file type
minor sun
what
red jay
so the biggest file is at the top smallest at the bottom or whatever
minor sun
No
minor sun
Click on the blocks
The reason you shouldn't just delete big files first is because programs like games split data up
so if you delete one file, it won't work anymore, and you may want to delete the whole folder
red jay
bruh theres millions of blocks lol
blazing musk
Reducing page file and disabling hibernation could save you 10gb
red jay
where do i do so?
minor sun
@red jay Once you click on a block, it shows you what it is, and what folder they're in
red jay
yea
minor sun
So delete the folder if you don't want it anymore
For example, CSGO is taking up all of this space on this drive:
red jay
whats streaming assetts?
do i need it? :/
does it have to do with streamlabs obs or sum
minor sun
@dusk turtle reading the bottom of the window doesn't select the file for the folder so you can delete it via windirstat :P
red jay
should i delete genshin?
i mean i play the game often but i have it on my phone
and it takes up a hellish amount of space
minor sun
If you don't really care about playing it on PC, and need space for other things, sure.
red jay
idk if i should i like it on pc
plus easier to play with friends and chat in co op
what else do i delete
:/
a lot of it is system files
minor sun
You can check all of these
red jay
what are they
dusk turtle
Right click windows icon, programs and features. Start picking what you dont need or use and uninstall it.
minor sun
I don't know, just looking at things that might be applications taking a lot of space.
red jay
do i need any of these
minor sun
If they're there, most likely means some game downloaded it to be able to work
red jay
the only game i have installed rn is genshin
so ima delete thise
the game can reinstall it if i ever reinstall said game
well
im not uninstalling genshin
i still have only like 20 gb
free
what else can i get rid of
welp no choice but to delete genshin
50 gb free! :D
not a lot but
soemthing
i defo am gonna talk to my mom abt using my money to upgrade my storage
nimble robin
any particular NAS bays and drives I should look out for, should I choose to set one up?
blazing musk
It's good to get drives that are made for server or NAS applications, such as WD Red, but not completely necessary. Other drives might have power save settings that don't work well or they wear out faster.
nimble robin
any specific bays?
blazing musk
Depends on what you want to use it for
nimble robin
got a advertisement email from wegg about it
mildly interested
8tb disks are expensive as hell tho
blazing musk
If just for media storage you can just get whatever you think will work for how much you want to store as far as bays.
$200 for a WD Red 8TB is pretty reasonable tbh
deep mantle
hey yall. how does the nerfed XPG SX8200 Pro 1tb perform against other $110 USD drives like the Mushkin Pilot-E and Sabrent Rocket Q
nimble robin
well
not that long a lifespan tho
and they get hot
otherwise, its a relatively fast drive
dusk turtle
hey yall. how does the nerfed XPG SX8200 Pro 1tb perform against other $110 USD ...
Mushkin best
Sabrent slow
8200 Still OK
deep mantle
Do you know how much difference does dram make in nvme? if so, where will the lack of dram show it's short comings?
nimble robin
I believe a DRAM cache helps with writes
deep mantle
thanks
deep mantle
by writes it could be downloading files, saving files, and transferring files to the nvme right?
dusk turtle
Most likely you won't notice doing that
More disk to disk transfers
not downloading
nimble robin
I tell you what tho
my SX 8100 tranferring Cyberpunk to my 970 EVO Plus was slow as hell
after about 10 minutes
Seagate EXOS vs Ironwolf PRO vs WD Gold, all 18tb?
aside from cost
ooooh, another one from Seagate called Skyhawk AI
whats the difference?
blazing musk
WD has more cache (512 MB vs 216 on the others)
The skyhawk is made for 24/7 surveillance recording, bad access times
The exos and the gold both have similar MTBF, the highest of the four at 2.5 million hours
Personally it would be between the Seagate Exos and the WD Gold, both have similar features and performance, and both are made for "enterprise storage" which is fine for NAS
@nimble robin
torpid girder
good value 2tb m.2?
red jay
good value 2tb m.2?
Do you have budget constraints?
torpid girder
by value i mean reasonable not like the 970
red jay
for example samsung 970 write is 2500 mb/s and is 144
about the same price as a sabrent rocket
which you can get way faster speeds.
1tb=150
red jay
If you don't simply know how to set one up.
Sabrent Rocket 4.
is that price.
150
for 1tb
torpid girder
1tb 
red jay
i mean, fast speeds compared to the 970 for that price
Samsung always seemed a tad overpriced.
torpid girder
true kek
blazing musk
You pay for the name on Samsung
nimble robin
You pay for the name on Samsung
finally VIP
olive wadi
hey yall. how does the nerfed XPG SX8200 Pro 1tb perform against other $110 USD ...
compareable
very compareable
so close that you should just buy whats cheaper
olive wadi
Sabrent Rocket 4.
completely irrelevant and useless ssd
olive wadi
good value 2tb m.2?
mushkin pilot-E 2tb is like $210 right now
tall ore
Just got me a Mushkin Pilot-E 1TB to replace my Samsung 860 Evo 500GB. Finally time to jump into the realm of NVMe storage
Also, I love that Newegg supports PayPal Pay in 4.
red jay
completely irrelevant and useless ssd
Laughs in 2 of them
Atleast blender meshes actually go fast
I could of recommended a terrible barracuda
lmao
olive wadi
I could of recommended a terrible barracuda
none of the barracuda ssds are particularly bad
except the like
q1 maybe
???
olive wadi
ah yes
you're one of those
"barracuda bad" people
anything with barracuda in the name
💩
red jay
Okay, go buy a HG series
olive wadi
???
red jay
olive wadi
im talking about ssds SIR
red jay
Hitachi HG "Pixie Dust"
olive wadi
bx200 is crucial
nothing to do with seagate barracuda brand
yep optane has been dead for a while
red jay
not saying it has anything to do
olive wadi
3dxpoint fabs are also shutting down
minor sun
Intel bouta buy microns 3dxpoint fab tho
olive wadi
with barracuda
don't care
red jay
olive wadi
Intel bouta buy microns 3dxpoint fab tho
maybe'
red jay
Whats your logic
minor sun
Nothing good nothing bad kinda thing
minor sun
Unknown in terms of reasons to buy
olive wadi
meh
red jay
I wonder whats the worst m.2
olive wadi
probably a wifi card
worst m.2 ssd would probably be an m.2 wifi card
would make a horrible ssd
red jay
Okay then, someone is on more cocaine than me
minor sun
Worst m.2 card would prob be that graphics adapter
olive wadi
they do exist?
yep
last parrot
those m.2s good?
olive wadi
those m.2s good?
past peak
love how it says that the 905p is for ballers only lmao
toxic quiver
Het team, I am looking for a USB hub that I can plug 7 external 5TB HDDs into and use them all on the same computer. Ive bought two different ones and I guess since the HDDs are not powered, the hub doesn't produce enough power (even when the hubs powered) to run them all at the same time. Can you recommend a hub that would work for me?
past peak
what usb interface will you be using?
dusk turtle
If the drives don't have their own power, that's at least 3.5 amps. You'll need a couple hubs for that. Why are these external and not internal? The speed of all those drives on a USB hub will be really poor since they all share the same connection
blissful night
If you are doing something like this you should use a USB card with a dedicated controller for each port
Sonnet has one
past peak
forgot that usb expansion cards existed smh
blissful night
Or get a external raid enclosure
toxic quiver
I’ve got a set of HDDs that some coworkers have collected over the years and have left but we wanted to do a duplicate file find as well as group files/docs/images together. I don’t mind getting 2-3 hubs of they will allow that ability honestly.
Yes. That’s the other thing. We don’t have any hardware other than laptops with USB’s to plug into (4 person team now).
nimble robin
shuck them
past peak
what he can probably do is invest in some sort of NAS system, connect the hard drives there and the other laptops can connect to the storage in the nas from the network
past peak
shuck them?
red jay
Just remember that if you have a NAS, you should also take the time for cloud backups.
vast kelp
Looking to buy a cheap SATA SSD for my bootleg server (ripped out laptop mobo with desktop fan zip tied on).
I don't need it to be super fast since I expect it to be network bottlenecked, but some endurance and reasonable storage (at least 250GB?) are important. I presume buying used isn't going to net me great endurance points, so is there anything cheap I can buy brand new?
past peak
what price point are you mainly aiming for?
vast kelp
as cheap as is reasonable to plop onto a server
Just want to self host a few things, maybe a minecraft server and mathics for school.
minor sun
France again, correct? A single drive?
vast kelp
Yes. I'm still in France. :cri:
lol
I forgot I did that. It only has a 3 pin and the fan is 4 pin haha
past peak
wd blue, mx500, and barracuda 120 are about 40 euros for 250gb, 500gb should be 50-60 euros
cheapest i see on pcpp for >200gb is bx500 for 30 euros
minor sun
bx sad
vast kelp
I've heard of wd blue before, but I don't know much about ssd perf. How is endurance? I'd be reading a lot and writing a bit less, but it'll be running all the time.
minor sun
I'm looking through alternate rn
well
it's adata
so it's sketch for endurance
And then there's this, still a bit sketch for endurnace, but less than adata
https://www.alternate.fr/HP/EX900-M-2-250-Go-PCI-Express-3-0-3D-TLC-NAND-NVMe-SSD/html/product/1517904
@vast kelp Cheapest drive I recognize:
https://www.alternate.fr/Mushkin/Helix-L-M-2-250-Go-PCI-Express-3-0-3D-TLC-NVMe-SSD/html/product/1549063
olive wadi
I've heard of wd blue before, but I don't know much about ssd perf. How is endur...
buy from the 2.5" options
minor sun
oh wait
I'm being dumb
sata ssd
oopsies
yea WD blue is decent, here
https://www.alternate.fr/WD/Blue-3D-2-Zoll-250-Go-S�rie-ATA-III-SSD/html/product/1377902
@olive wadi smh wack controller and nand
what else am I going to conclude
I didn't even know realtek made SSD controllers
I thought they only made onboard audio
vast kelp
Thanks for the links! Looks like shipping gets most of them over 50€... I was hoping to spend 20€-ish... 😅
Maybe I could just buy a used unit. What could possibly go wrong?
~~I'm having minor regrets... https://www.leboncoin.fr/informatique/1947346570.htm~~
30€ or so. He says it's not used much.
Is that drive any good?
minor sun
Well, it seems that it's too old to be on the ssd mastersheet..?
also, that's about 10tb written, not bad, but it's been used, dunno why SMART health is at 98% not 100% though
vast kelp
:o didn't know there was a master spreadsheet. Found it in the pins.
I might order this one as I'm a bit low on $$$ atm (thanks NVIDIA), maybe upgrade later if it starts getting slow.
As long as it doesn't randomly fail and take all the data with it like my old HDD...
wintry fractal
Good Day all
nimble robin
hello
wintry fractal
I have a question about swapping out an HDD for a new SSD in my laptop
wintry fractal
I have an HP Envy 17 (17t-K000 CT0) I am wondering what software I would use to clone my existing HDD onto the new 2Tb SDD, and what cable assembly I should buy to accomplish this.
nimble robin
when did you buy it?
wintry fractal
Laptop?
wintry fractal
2014 I think
nimble robin
not to dissuade you but do you really think its worth it to upgrade to an SSD rather than just getting a new laptop?
wintry fractal
I had a feeling you might say that...lol
nimble robin
I am willing to help if you have a reason to keep it
But I, personally, think it would be better to just get a new one
wintry fractal
I think it might be worth $200.00 to try and boost my performance and boot times...everything else about it is in good shape
wintry fractal
for the SSD
nimble robin
which SSD are you getting thats $200 lmao
wintry fractal
Crucial makes a 2TB
nimble robin
which one
wintry fractal
Mx 500 ?
nimble robin
the M.2 one or the Sata one?
wintry fractal
SATA
nimble robin
do you know if your laptop has an M.2 port?
wintry fractal
no
nimble robin
no you do not or no it does not
wintry fractal
sorry, no I do not know.
nimble robin
ok
wintry fractal
I hate the idea of just tossing this laptop
nimble robin
and is it still running windows 8.1 or something like that?
nimble robin
ok cool
wintry fractal
If I was gonna get a new computer, I would prolly get a new desktop
maybe try to build one
nimble robin
having a hard time finding your laptop online
nimble robin
can you link me a place where I would be able to find info about your laptop?
minor sun
This should be it
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04355629.pdf
nimble robin
there we go
wintry fractal
nice
sorry guys, I'm an electrician. I build things, I use computers, but not super knowledgeable...yet working on it.
dusk turtle
Not
nimble robin
sucks
wintry fractal
probably 'cause its so OLD lol.
nimble robin
so that MX500 will be a good option then but according to both those websites, the laptop only supports up to 1tb internal drives
nimble robin
probably 'cause its so OLD lol.
M.2 is a relatively new form factor
not completely surprising
minor sun
is it standard sata connector?
wintry fractal
I havent opened it up yet...
dusk turtle
is it standard sata connector?
Yes
PITA to replace though, gotta go in through the top
minor sun
(wondering why there's a max size limit, thought it could've been some kind of proprietary thing that could only give so much power)
dusk turtle
Just the max size it comes with
wintry fractal
I believe it has 1000 GB HDD now. So, I'd be stuck with a 1 TB SSD... Maybe I would be better off going with a new built Desktop.
minor sun
Oh, then it should be fine with any size
wintry fractal
right?
minor sun
If it's standard sata, no limit on size as long as it fits
wintry fractal
Im just saddened that things become outdated so quickly
minor sun
Moore's law :(
nimble robin
unfortunate
if you give a budget I can construct something for you on PcPartPicker
a new desktop
wintry fractal
Thats hard...I don't know where the cutoffs are. I could go $1000.00, but I don't know if that's ridiculously high, or low. I would want a case and power supply that would last for future upgrading...
Like I say...I'm just learning.
wintry fractal
nimble robin
okay
minor sun
Assuming parts at msrp
nimble robin
I'm in class rn but I'm sure Mr1111 has something cooked up already
minor sun
Here's a start @wintry fractal
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pwp7Bc
Segotep PSU is surprisingly decent, you could go higher for a Corsair CX or CX-F if you really want, but yea
minor sun
PCPP is being dumb
nimble robin
as it does