storage-devices

[untold grove]

just super quick judgement but i dont think you know enough to use truenas or unraid

so

id go synology

[red jay]

I have to get controller for nas ...

[untold grove]

no?

get nas, plug into network, profit

is literally that ez

[red jay]

I cant they have no nas there

[untold grove]

then dont buy from them?

[red jay]

Im not buying ))

I think ypu are trying to work like cpu

)))👍

and its funny

[untold grove]

i have no idea what youre talking about

but whatever

[red jay]

you like generating random words ..

I said 3 times Im not buying them

you dont want to hear )

[jaunty elm]

;-;

Hmmmm

Plugged in both SATA cables

What could it be

[subtle stream]

Check to make sure they're actually connected? Double check the power cables?

[jaunty elm]

Okay

I plugged it into a random SATA port in my mobo

The manual didn’t say to prioritize

[subtle stream]

It shows up now?

[jaunty elm]

No I was saying that may be it

Maybe it has to be SATA 1

[subtle stream]

Shouldn't have to be. Unless you have an M.2, then it might

Sometimes if you have an NVMe drive, the motherboard will disable some SATA ports

You may also have a bad cable, so if you have another one, it's worth giving it a shot

[jaunty elm]

Yeah I have an m2

Hm

So it’s in SATA 4 right now

[subtle stream]

Try a different SATA port then. Check your mobo manual to figure out which one to use

[jaunty elm]

What should I try

[subtle stream]

Probably SATA 1

Wait

[jaunty elm]

It doesn’t say but I’ll try again

Okay

[subtle stream]

Is this a brand new drive?

[jaunty elm]

Yeah

[subtle stream]

Okay hang on

I need to find the tool (not a windows user)

You need to format it

[jaunty elm]

Oh

So it may be working

[subtle stream]

File Manager won't detect it until you format it

Probably is

[jaunty elm]

But not showing up because I haven’t formatted it

[subtle stream]

Yep. Hang on

[jaunty elm]

Okay

[subtle stream]

Let me find the program

[jaunty elm]

HD sentinal

[subtle stream]

Disk Management

[jaunty elm]

Oh like an internal program okay

[subtle stream]

https://www.diskpart.com/articles/format-external-hard-drive-to-ntfs-7201.html

[jaunty elm]

Can I run my pc with the front and both sides off

[subtle stream]

Yes

If you open file manager and go to "This PC", does the drive show up?

[jaunty elm]

Yes

Disk 0

[subtle stream]

There ya go

[jaunty elm]

That’s ~4tb

[subtle stream]

Is that the new drive?

If so, format to NTFS and give it a drive name and letter (D probably makes the most sense)

[jaunty elm]

It would need to show up in file explorer under This PC right

It’s not

[subtle stream]

Did you format it?

[jaunty elm]

Now how do I within disk management

[subtle stream]

https://www.diskpart.com/articles/format-external-hard-drive-to-ntfs-7201.html

Follow this guide

[jaunty elm]

That’s external

Would it be the same

Let me check

[subtle stream]

Yeah it would be the same

I think you just right click on the 4tb drive and hit "format" and follow the instructions Windows gives you from there

1. Right click “My Computer/This PC” on the desktop, select “Manage”>“Storage”> “Disk Management” to open Disk Management.

2. Right click on the external hard drive to format and click on “Format…”in the drop-down menu.

3. Select “NTFS” in the “File system” box and then tick “Perform a quick format”.

4. Click “OK” to format the drive and wait until finished.

So yes, right click on the drive

Hit format

Give it a name

Format type NTFS

check perform quick format

hit ok

Let it run for a bit. Might take a minute or two

[jaunty elm]

format isnt in the drop down

[subtle stream]

Click on the drive, then I think format will be under the Action menu

[jaunty elm]

hmm i see refresh, rescan, create VHD, attach VDH

[untold grove]

right click this

[obsidian steeple]

What are they supposed to right click?

[jaunty elm]

hmmm

[dusk turtle]

new SImple Volume

[jaunty elm]

ayyye got it thanks guys!

[jaunty elm]

every time i try to move stuff into my new drive it just says "Copy to"

how can I just move stuff on there but still keep the desktop shortcuts

i feel like its acting as an external

[untold grove]

move what?

[minor sun]

You could just make new shortcuts

[untold grove]

you cah change system folder locations

can*

[ashen aurora]

[ashen aurora]

[jaunty elm]

lili goes to town on the indicators

[pale marsh]

Looking for a ssd for a mid-range gaming pc. Is sata or m.2 better? Looking to stay around $50

[thick mulch]

@pale marsh m.2 is better and faster, would recommend

And good idea to pair with an old HDD

[pale marsh]

Why is that?

[thick mulch]

It is just limitations of the interface that make sata slower

The samsung 970 evo 500gb would be my choice @pale marsh

The only good thing about sata is it is cheaper per gig so keep that in mind, but compared to a small m.2 paired w a HDD it is the jack of all master of nada

[pale marsh]

Would the os be installed on the ssd?

[thick mulch]

Yes

For those great boot times

[ashen aurora]

?

M2 is a form factor

There can also be sata M2s

[thick mulch]

And then the less mission critical stuff can be thrown on a hdd

[ashen aurora]

Lol

[thick mulch]

That is true

But most people just refer to pcie as m.2

[ashen aurora]

Nobody does that nowadays

[thick mulch]

Well

Just get the 970 evo its fast, reliable, big enough, good value, tried and true, in budget

[ashen aurora]

[thick mulch]

[pale marsh]

Noted, thanks for help

[jaunty elm]

is there an easy way to move all the according files https://prnt.sc/x9e96i

[untold grove]

ctrl a ctrl x ctrl v?

lol

[olive wadi]

thoughts on seagate exos for my unraid server?

seem to be priced better than WD red pros

[olive wadi]

cease

"good value"

tried and true shouldn't even apply to SSDs anymore, longevity in general isn't really a concern for any half decent SSD combined with normal consumer use.

[upper quiver]

500gb 970 evo is like, 65 dolla tho

best priced, no reason not to get it, unless you for some reason need more than 500gb of ssd

[untold grove]

exos nice

unraid less nice

[olive wadi]

[untold grove]

do u at least have ssd in there

[olive wadi]

too dumb to figure out how to set up a server the proper way

Yes.

I mostly use it for virtual machines though

[untold grove]

oh OOF

[olive wadi]

The only drive I have is a WD red pro 4tb

ignoring my WD blue 3d SSD

[untold grove]

you running lame hardware or enterprise?

[olive wadi]

When my main array gets slow enough I'll enable the cache

[olive wadi]

dual xeon e5 2683V4 engineering samples on an asrock rack ep2c612ws

[untold grove]

use esxi

unraid is uh

not meant for vms lul

i mean itll work

and to answer you

exos are nice

where u getting them?

and for how much?

[olive wadi]

Not getting them yet, I was looking on newegg.ca, the 16tb was available for 480 cad

[untold grove]

never buy drives from wegg

also

dont buy bare drives

0 iq strat

[olive wadi]

i dont know how to do vms and nas at the sametime 😩

[untold grove]

fat brain maneuver is shucking

[olive wadi]

i dont want to put nail polish on pins 😩

[olive wadi]

why not

[untold grove]

i have a freenas vm on my esxi host

that just has storage passed thru

[untold grove]

their shipping is ass

[untold grove]

IF it affects you (any semi ok psu is fine) kapton tape and 2 seconds with an xacto knife saves you uhhhhh

$200 per drive

[olive wadi]

CAD?

[untold grove]

real money

https://shucks.top/

[olive wadi]

hmmm

$350 is about $440 CAD so

i'd be saving $40 cad

[untold grove]

check uhhhhhhhhhh

seagate backup 16tb

the externals

they have exos in there

also what backplane u got?

[olive wadi]

I was gonna get the sata ones and just use my motherboards sata ports 😎

[untold grove]

oh lol

[olive wadi]

i dont have a backplane

[untold grove]

thought u were in server chassis

[olive wadi]

i am

it just has no backplane

[untold grove]

[olive wadi]

rackmount not server

kek

[untold grove]

i dont mess with things that arent delll

[olive wadi]

so I should buy alienware backplane?

😎

[untold grove]

fr tho dell emc SLAPS

recently retired my baby

but i love dell servers

well if ur soft raid

then i guess

can ur mobo handle 16tb per drive?

[olive wadi]

there is no RAID 😎 it's all Unraid

[olive wadi]

uuh

why wouldn't it

[untold grove]

because no one expects the end user to be dumb enough to use onboard controller for this stuff

90% it does

im just looking out for u in case its that 10%

[olive wadi]

does uh

larger capacity make my boards sata controller do more work?

[untold grove]

so like

some controllers

are like

haha i cap at 8tb

some cap 2

some 4

im just making sure

[olive wadi]

As in per drive?

[untold grove]

because if i were asrock i would have saved on the controller

yea

[olive wadi]

I'll shoot them an email

[untold grove]

:))

id also grab a nice nvme drive or two

[olive wadi]

considering its marketted as both a server and workstation board i doubt it'd have a major cap

[untold grove]

i mean

servers use raid cards

[olive wadi]

true

but

i think this is more WS/home server market

[untold grove]

even then

perc h710 is like $50

every labber i know has raid cards

[olive wadi]

why would i use raid in unraid

😎

[untold grove]

[olive wadi]

why tho

i have an a2000 laying around

[untold grove]

u can pass through individual drives

[olive wadi]

but my board doesnt have an NVME slot

[untold grove]

vms like high iops

[olive wadi]

i could get a card

[untold grove]

pcie riser

[olive wadi]

meh

might at some point

[untold grove]

will boost perf depending how many vms ur running

[olive wadi]

unsure what the bifurcation on this board is like

right now I'm just running two

going to add some more in the future

[untold grove]

cause once u use more

then ur wd ssd is gonna ouch

u want something with good random

[olive wadi]

do you not have faith in the Marvell 88SS1074?

[untold grove]

no

1 sata drive for more than like

4 vms

is gonna ouch hard

[olive wadi]

might look into something for that when I fire up a fourth virtual machine then

[untold grove]

yeah

just to consider

and

u want 1x ssd for cache

1x for vms

when u upgrade

[olive wadi]

guess ihave to get the unmounted disk plugin

or unassigned

[untold grove]

move vms to nvme

[olive wadi]

or i guess i can add them to the array and just make it so they aren't used by my storage shares

[untold grove]

use sata as cache

[olive wadi]

This is the sata controller specs but unsure if it means anything

[olive wadi]

makes snse

intel c612

isnt that a chipset

[untold grove]

unless ur 10gbps ur all good

[olive wadi]

If the controller can't do 16tb will the drive just not be detected?

or will it appear as smaller?

Or will it be something that I can only see after it's reached the cap of the controller

[untold grove]

ur fine

itll only let u format it as cap

im not 100% but i dont see why u wouldnt be fine

i stopped using unraid like 3 years ago lol

[olive wadi]

i mean i want to use the amount of drive i paid for

i just want to see when i get it if there is a cap

can you like

use a raid controller without being in raid and just use it as a sata expansion card

or should i just get a sata expansion card

[untold grove]

just raid 0 each drive

make new raid 0 array with only that drive

then pass it thru

[olive wadi]

sounds like too much effort 😎

why not just buy a sata pcie card which supports larger caps if im limited?

[untold grove]

its like 5 mins

then when u use a real nas os its easy to swap

exos are fine but i wouldnt buy newegg

id see if can shuck

[olive wadi]

im already emailing asrock about how to get this boards ipmi to work properly 😩

I can get into the IPMI but not the remote bios control

it uses java SOL and its not playing nicely

[untold grove]

lol

[keen lantern]

Ok so I have an older Intel 535 series SSD and while plugging it into my computer it isnt recognized didnt know if anyone knew the solution to this

[bitter vault]

have you allocated a drive name to it?

letteR*

[keen lantern]

Not even an option due to the fact that it doesnt show up in my file explorer

[bitter vault]

even on disk management?

[keen lantern]

In BIOS you mean? if so then yes

[bitter vault]

are you on windows?

"Disk management" will show whether your SSD is connected at all or not, it could be connected, but not show up on your file explorer if you haven't allocated a directory to it

[keen lantern]

Yes running windows 10 pro atm

[bitter vault]

if it doesn't show up, likely your ssd isn't being recognized at all, which at that point i can't help you!

gl !

[keen lantern]

Yea hoping it isnt a connectoin will attempt with Disk management

[olive wadi]

😎

[untold grove]

nice!!!!

ur set then

[olive wadi]

now i can finally store my favorite episodes of everybody loves raymond

[olive wadi]

Does it matter what PCIE to m.2 adapter I go with? I was looking at the sabrent one since it seems like the elegant solution

[clear heart]

Hey y’all, what should I buy for gaming I have a budget of $1,500 and want at least 2tb, what ssd should I be looking at?

[olive wadi]

You in the states?

what country

[clear heart]

Mhm USA

[olive wadi]

@clear heart https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vkLwrH/mushkin-pilot-e-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mknssdpe2tb-d8

Solid SM2262EN based high end nvme ssd

[upper quiver]

are you talking 1500 for the whole system?

like, tower, keyboard mouse monitor

[clear heart]

No just the parts I’ve already bought a case

I bought the meshify c

[upper quiver]

what do you have for a monitor

meshify c is nice

[clear heart]

I don’t remember the brand but it’s 1080p at 144hz and my other monitor is 1440 at 165hz

[upper quiver]

oh nice

[olive wadi]

buy mushkin pilot E 😎

reject samsung jamba juice

[upper quiver]

when are you looking to order all your parts?

[olive wadi]

embrace silicon motion sm2262en

[upper quiver]

lol, on 1500, he doesnt have the budget to afford 2tb of ssd

what a waste of money

[olive wadi]

Uh...easily?

With a $1500 budget you do have a good amount of room to afford 2tb of SSD?

[clear heart]

Well I was thinking as soon as I get my hands on a 3060ti or possibly a 3070

[olive wadi]

Fairly easily?

Even with a 3070 it isn't much at a problem as long as you can get it at MSRP

[upper quiver]

its not a matter of it being easy or not

its a matter of being cost effective

[olive wadi]

Meh, it's a QOL feature that's worth it IMO if your budget is $1500

[upper quiver]

hardly

anyway

[olive wadi]

lol

well worth it imo, even for just games

[upper quiver]

@clear heart cpu and gpu availability is, as you are probably aware, really bad rn

intel 10th gen widely available tho

[olive wadi]

With some games you can see frametime issues with regular spinning rust drives

[upper quiver]

if you are able to get your hands on an ampere card, i would suggest something like a 5600x, so you should try to get one of those as well, but thankfully thats not as hard

[olive wadi]

10600k or 5600x it doesn't matter both are fine performers at their respective pricepoints.

[upper quiver]

or, if it ends up taking too long to get an ampere card, 11th gen intel is right around the corner

[clear heart]

Yes my thoughts were a ryzen 5 5600x 3060ti or 3070 which ever one is available at MSRP.

[upper quiver]

yeah, 10600k is also an option, but its worth the hunt for a 5600x

[clear heart]

Also a b550 mobo... not sure if that takes any storage options out

[olive wadi]

No it doesn't make a difference.

[clear heart]

Ok

[olive wadi]

Not for what you are asking for.

And with a $1500 budget with a 5600x/10600k and a 3070 you definitely have room for 2tb of solid state

[upper quiver]

once you get an order in for a new gpu, definitely come back here, because 11th gen intel might just be really good

[olive wadi]

If you want to spend that extra money on storage and not something else

But if you're just gaming at 1080-1440p jumping to the 3080 doesn't have much point imo

[upper quiver]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-v2/p/N82E16813145249
this board is god teir at 150

[olive wadi]

wouldn't say god tier but its good

[clear heart]

That’s the exact board I was thinking of

[upper quiver]

"at 150"

[olive wadi]

That's pretty regular for the aorus elite?

[clear heart]

... better than my fried b250m a asus board lol

[olive wadi]

It's fine, Elite V2 is also good if you want to utilize front type C but you bought a meshify-C so no support

Only main complaint is that the board has no type-C but that probs isn't a big deal for you

[upper quiver]

internet died lmaoooo

on phone

[clear heart]

Yes I’m not really needing a type c port

I’m on my phone too... no pc to use lol

[upper quiver]

regardless, I would wait until you get your hands on a card, then come back for help

we can't really help all that much now, because we don't know when your gonna be able to get a card

[clear heart]

True I will definitely come back

[upper quiver]

back on da pc lol

[olive wadi]

kek he got the ssd recommendation

[clear heart]

Thank y’all both for the input

[upper quiver]

np

[keen lantern]

Looking for a 4tb 2.5" drive don't know what happened to the prices for these but is there any ones that are specifically on sale?

[untold grove]

sata or ?

oops sorry am tired

meant hdd or ssd'

[keen lantern]

All good preferably HDD dont need anything too fast

[untold grove]

why does it need to be 2.5?

[keen lantern]

Server only has 2.5" bays

[untold grove]

i see

well i wouldnt get any consumer ones

anything over 1tb on 2.5 inch hdd is gonna be smr

its why sff bay servers are cheaper than lff

because ssds are really the only viable option

[keen lantern]

Yea getting this server with 2x Xeon X5650 and 32gb of ram for $270 but I'll need to throw my own storage in it.

It has 200gb is not enough (has 2x 100gb runnin in Raid1

[untold grove]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/183294236143

id run ssd

but

here

[keen lantern]

Is that not 3.5"

[untold grove]

oh my mistake lol

[keen lantern]

Perfectly fine

[untold grove]

ok so from what im seeing rn

looks like cmr will cap at 2.4 tb

for some reason it seems to be the magic number

[keen lantern]

That would work 2x 2tb

[untold grove]

the other issue is

the enterprise 2.4tb drives

cost more than ssds

because theyre still viable

since its max size

the question is

how would you feel about a jbod?

you have 3 options right now basically

[keen lantern]

Not toally against RAID

Server does come with a RAID controller and battery so it was something I was considering

[untold grove]

600gb sas drives (dime a dozen), all SSD (literally cheaper than hdd right now lmfao), and an external jbod (like a netapp or whatever) that lets you throw cheap 3.5in drives in there

basically youd pay like $2-300 for the netapp but youd save so much on drives

like $100 per 8tb drive

throw a couple of these puppies in there https://www.ebay.com/itm/353322616179

@keen lantern so i guess i should ask how much storage you want, as well as budget

because we have a few ways of doing this

[keen lantern]

Yea looking for around 4tb right now and I have 500gb HDDs that will go in for the OS and whatever. Idealy around $100 maybe $150 for the time being. I have max of 8x 2.5" to work with.

[untold grove]

honestly i might go SSD for now

you can get 600gb sas hdds for super cheap though

id boot from ssd though

night and day difference

what os you running?

[keen lantern]

Linux most likley

[untold grove]

anything specific?

[keen lantern]

I'm new to everything server related other than networking so looking into more sepcific OS later but most people have said Linux makes the most sense.

[untold grove]

yeah

most of my baremetal is hehe

id boot from solid state

if i were u

[keen lantern]

Yea I have a 500gb SSD to run OS and programs for the system itself

[untold grove]

also i wouldnt run anything baremetal but thats another can of worms lol

[keen lantern]

Then the extra 4tb will be for what I'll be using the system for

[untold grove]

one that i dont feel like getting into atm

well

also i assume youre using a PE 720 or something like that right?

as the actual server

[keen lantern]

Its a Dell PowerEdge R710 with 2x Xeon X5650 and 32gb of ram

[untold grove]

how much did you pay?

[keen lantern]

Havent yet but it will be $270 and they will install the OS and also get two drives setup on RAID1 (2x 100gb)

[untold grove]

oh dear

[keen lantern]

The price for the system or the drive size?

[untold grove]

both

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Poweredge-R710-2xX5650-96-GB-RAM-Rails-8-Bay-iDrac-Ent-2-OF-3/164644797685?hash=item2655983cf5:g:nYkAAOSwu3pgAIUE

bid rn

literally rn ends like 30 mins lol

[keen lantern]

Well um yea I'll watch that until it ends

[untold grove]

because 270 for r710 is a svam

scam

if u can get this one for like 225 or whatever

ok deal

[keen lantern]

Yea and has 96gb of ram so cant go wrong with that

[untold grove]

or you can ask @plush crag if they can find you one and what shipping would be but thatd be in dms

just cause theyre near a recycler and can get them cheap

otherwise theres ebay or local deals

was shipping included in that 270 @keen lantern

[keen lantern]

Local pickup so yes kinda

[untold grove]

id talk to forks and see if they can do anything

but honestly i would pay over 150 for a r710

thats just me though

the ebay one i linked u is prolly best bet, free ship too

[keen lantern]

Yea and has 3x the ram give or take with everything else the same.

[untold grove]

plus rails

[keen lantern]

The one I had has rails

[untold grove]

o nice

imo lff>>>>>>>>>>sff tho

and looks like both are sff

so ehh

[keen lantern]

Yea this one is since its 8x 2.5"

[untold grove]

i just wouldnt buy a r710 lol

they used to be good

[keen lantern]

Is there something better that I should look for around $200

[untold grove]

oh hell yes

one of the sellers i love just posted this

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-R520-2x-Intel-E5-2440-2-4GHz-64GB-PERC-H710-8-Bay-3-5-No-HDD/313389824820?hash=item48f77d3b34:g:rJgAAOSwRkNgCajG

youre lucky im broke rn

this can go up to 16 cores per socket if i recall

but this is sandy bridge

vs like 1st gen core

and lff

[keen lantern]

Yea well I found a gaming computer that I can flip for around $250 and I've wanted a system for a long time. The computer is very low priced for what it is they don't seem to know much about comptuers so didn't price it properly

[untold grove]

nice

id snap up that r520

great mission behind their cherity

charity

nfdjkg

[keen lantern]

Yea its the same as I was going to pay pretty much but slightly cheaper for double ram and better CPUs

[untold grove]

and

[keen lantern]

its 3.5"

[untold grove]

that thing sips power vs the r710

r710 SLORPS power

like expect very noticeable increase in power bill with 10 series

[plush crag]

710 is dual nehalem lol, > 10 years old arch at this point

[untold grove]

hi babe ❤️

[plush crag]

👋

[keen lantern]

Welcome to the conversation

[untold grove]

im saying that r520 is a great deal

u think you can beat it shipped?

vs r710 for same price and half the ram lul

and sff

[keen lantern]

Yea so $250 but you can always get a 3.5" -> 2.5" drive bay if you needed it

[untold grove]

sff = use jbod or its literal garbage

[untold grove]

easier to convert down than to convert up

[keen lantern]

Wdym by "beat it shipped"

[untold grove]

seeing if forks can find anything that beats that r520

[keen lantern]

Gotcha

[untold grove]

its a really solid deal so i doubt it tho

[plush crag]

Ya, just go for it

[untold grove]

yeah

forks u heard of that seller before?

like half my lab is from them because i like their mission

[keen lantern]

I mean hes got 14k reviews so...

[untold grove]

no i love them

https://www.human-i-t.org/

this is their site

theyre so good i always try to get stuff from them when i can

[plush crag]

tam's solutions is another great old server seller

[untold grove]

forks i like them because of their charity

they use sales to fund free isp for poor communities

as well as to give hardware to poor families and underfunded schools

[keen lantern]

Well to catch Forks up looking for a server around $200 - $250 with 32gb+ ram with 12c preferably. Idk if there is anything else you would recomend looking for outside of the R520.

[untold grove]

super cool company and their prices are great too

also forks you can lowball them like a mf

have gotten 1k knocked off of price of some stuff before

i mean dont im sure its bad karma or whatever to lowball charities

but u can

i got r410s for like $30 shipped from them lol

[keen lantern]

Do you think its good to see if they would do $200 ($50 shipping)? Worst case $300 is still pretty good.

[untold grove]

yeah theyll probable be cool with that

throw an offer

and remember this way

u can get this bad boy

or maybe a couple

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353322616179

$110 for 8tb sas

[keen lantern]

Yea I was planning on around $100 for the drives

[untold grove]

also @plush crag this is a good price if u wanted to check them out too

[keen lantern]

And then just partition them out if need be

[untold grove]

add some space to that jbod of yours

you want at least 3 drives imo

for raid 5

[keen lantern]

My old "server" isnt anything grand but it did the job and will cover the cost of the drive

Yea for the time being just 1 will be fine but I'll add on as time goes on

[untold grove]

yeah

at least 3 is the sweet spot

because 1 is risky, 2 is less risky but u lose half the storage capacity, 3 is nice cause 2 drives can get protected

[keen lantern]

Yea I'm not going to be storing anything too important. The most impotant thing would be I hate to say this but my 1.7tb emulation folder. I'll still have it backed up on my desktop that I use primarily but the ability to have it accessable over a wifi network from any device would be nice.

[untold grove]

yeah would be nice

also lol

i think my rom folder is like 140tb

[keen lantern]

Oh ok so its not just me

[untold grove]

i have every release from every console

or close to it idk

[keen lantern]

See and I thought my 1.7 was big

[untold grove]

uwu

they dont call me the storage lady for nothin

[keen lantern]

Yea fair enough

[loud estuary]

crys in 26tb

(overall, not rom)

[untold grove]

small

[keen lantern]

Coming back for a quick question @untold grove. Was looking around at more of human-I-T listings, and found a Dell R410 with 2x Intel X5650, 4x 3.5" bays, and 48gb of ram. It's $100 less for pretty much the same from what I can see is there something that I'm missing? https://ebay.to/3cd7Y5R (shortneed the link cause it was like a paragraph long)

[untold grove]

is old architecture

just get the 520

[keen lantern]

Gotcha

[untold grove]

also

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/series/78582/intel-xeon-processor-e5-v2-family.html

these will work on the r520

looks like u can have 24 cores and 48 threads max

[lean quest]

@untold grove so I've run into another problem for my server and I wanted to get some advice here. I've discovered that I also need hot swap bay caddies to actually hold the drives that I bought and I don't really see a way around that based on the dimensions of drives and bays. Is there anything else that I might need so I don't keep having to do this "buy things one at a time" thing

[untold grove]

what drives what server?

[lean quest]

3.5 lff R720

was going to get this https://www.ebay.com/itm/6Pcs-3-5-Inch-Hot-Swap-Hot-Plug-Hard-Drive-Tray-Caddy-For-Dell-PowerEdge-R720-/362705958191

[untold grove]

just grab the caddies

yeah those r good

and u have raid controller?

perc?

[lean quest]

I don't think so

so no

[untold grove]

check if u have it

that is important

u should

all else u would need is idrac (maybe) and rails if u are rackmount

[lean quest]

I've already had to buy rails and the drive adapter

[untold grove]

faceplate if u want it to look cute

[lean quest]

what's idrac

I've seen it referenced a few times

[untold grove]

just network management thing

v useful

[lean quest]

I think it's built in?

[untold grove]

no

its license

[lean quest]

but is it a thing I'd have to buy more hardware for

[untold grove]

https://www.ebay.com/c/1448594486

yea

u need idrac port

[lean quest]

I know I have that

[untold grove]

but

it is not essential

all u rly need is server, raid card, caddies, drives

and ur good

[lean quest]

missed 2 of those things rip

[untold grove]

have u considered cpu upgrade also

i put link here

just scroll up a teeny bit

all of those should be ok with r720

[lean quest]

the e5 ark ones

[untold grove]

yea

ark is intels cheat sheet

then check compat with r720

and ur golden

[lean quest]

ehh I'll probably stick with what I've got for that right now

I have the E5 2620 right now

I'm not quite understanding idrac yet

what is it actually used for

[untold grove]

imagine like

bios over network

[lean quest]

Hmm makes sense sorta

So one thing I’m running into now is my house like doesn’t have the power outlets/circuits for more than 2 servers/computers in the same room

Is that like the point to move to collocation or something

[untold grove]

yeah where do u live

[lean quest]

Midwest

I know there’s some around but I’m not ready to spend $70/mo

[untold grove]

ah kk

yeah cause i do colo for like 200/m or so in LA

depends on speeds and whatnot tho

[lean quest]

How much are you getting for 200

Like half a rack? Or is that the #LA premium ans getting like just a few u

[untold grove]

1 server

i sell colo lol

mostly its the tier A traffic

1gbps tier A with 10tb/month

i do half a rack but its 1k/month

20u and 100tb @ 1gbps

[lean quest]

Ahhh ok makes sense

[untold grove]

yea lol

the datacenter i use is one of the best too

i think you can get sketchy hosting for not too much though

min id pay is like 150/m

for 1gbps

[rugged mist]

I'm looking for a small NAS, I've been looking at the QNAP TS-932PX-4G 5+4 Bay High-Speed NAS with Two 10GbE and 2.5GbE Ports or building my own and using FreeNAS. Any thoughts? This is my first time at it. Looking for some advice as far as building my own, here is what I had come up with. https://newegg.io/5dc8856

[dusk turtle]

@untold grove

[untold grove]

no qnap

#storage-devices message

new extreme vulnerability is found monthly as well

[rugged mist]

Any advice on a good option other than the Qnap?

[untold grove]

synology

theyre the apple of the nas world

you pay for the software but its damn good software

if truenas and u want prebuilt

https://www.truenas.com/truenas-mini/

they make their own nas

[rugged mist]

I'll check it out. Thank you

[untold grove]

its pretty good

cant stress enough NOT to buy qnap though

[teal stirrup]

is it possible to get more than 1 terabyte of ssd (m.2 or 2.5") storage for $100 or less

[ashen aurora]

Yes

If USD

[teal stirrup]

do you have any links

everything i can find is 500gb for 50 minimum and 1 tb for about 100

[obsidian steeple]

Probably not, unless you find a really good deal

[teal stirrup]

damn

[ashen aurora]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/h3tQzy/crucial-mx500-1tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct1000mx500ssd1

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101

[ashen aurora]

Misread his message

[teal stirrup]

thats all 1 tb

and for $100

[ashen aurora]

One for 90 and yes 1 TB

Oh wait more than 1

[teal stirrup]

lol i asked if its possible ot get more than 1 tb

[ashen aurora]

Cringe

Why do you need so much of pure SSD storage

[teal stirrup]

just seeing options, im probably going to end up getting a 2tb hdd + 500gb nvme

[obsidian steeple]

Lol

[slate abyss]

is this good enough for a boot up drive https://www.amazon.in/Kingston-240GB-Q500-SATA3-2-5/dp/B07KCGPRMQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?dchild=1&keywords=kingston+240gb&qid=1604120829&sr=8-4&linkCode=sl1&tag=hanuman028-21&linkId=b6c6122ac78dc29819668afadce6b350

also if not smthing in the same price range

[untold grove]

its almost as bad as the a400, a bit more reliable

[red jay]

Could I use an older PERC 6/i as a storage controller in a workstation?

[untold grove]

yeah

you can @red jay but what are you trying to do?

that controller can only hit 2tb max drive size

[red jay]

2x1TB 7200RPM secondary storage

[untold grove]

ewww 1tb drives

why do you need a raid controller for just 2 drives?

[red jay]

or more, whatever is available, just what I have on hand right now.

Hot swapping, less work the CPUs have to do, performance.

[untold grove]

well i mean its your choice

go for it, itll work for anything up to 2tb

[red jay]

yeah, 2tb sas is cheap now

[untold grove]

you know whats also cheap?

a good raid card

[untold grove]

lmaoooo

[olive wadi]

kingston a400 moment

[small steppe]

windshields#9982 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[crystal bluff]

@olive wadi nah surely not it didn't actually get 0 MB/s 🤣

How can it be that bad lol

[untold grove]

speed

[crystal bluff]

I knew it was bad but didn't realise that bad

[red jay]

like?

[lean quest]

I’m also curious what @untold grove do thinks is a good raid card

[untold grove]

i like those LSI cards

lililabs runs on perc h710 and h730

https://www.servermonkey.com/perc-h710-512mb-lvl-0-60-pcie-raid.html

the LSI 9211-8i is great

good homelab raid card

i use perc because lililabs runs almost entirely on

[lean quest]

Litt so 710 was a Good Choice for me 👌

Comes in this week

[untold grove]

yea

esp since ur lab is dell

[lean quest]

👍👍

Would 710 be a good choice for my pc also

Or would it be better to get something different

[untold grove]

i like the 9211 or non dell

or*

for

[red jay]

how much RAID card memory is needed?

[untold grove]

512 is fine for smol arrays

1gb is good

[red jay]

how about 256MB?

[untold grove]

eeeeeeeeehhhhhhh

for like 4 drives mayb

IBM ServeRAID M5110 good niche pick

[lean quest]

What’s really the benefit of card vs software raid

Speed is one

Anything else?

[untold grove]

reliability

[untold grove]

honestly speed cant be understated tho

hw raid can push ike 2 gb/s while soft might do 40mb/s

[lean quest]

I’m able to push 3gb/s with my pc so idk

Y’all claimed it wasn’t hardware

[untold grove]

im saying hdd array

my hw raid does several gb/second

[lean quest]

Hmm

Ahh I see

[untold grove]

my unraid box did like 50

mb/s

but thats no cache

ur an idiot if you let writes hit array directly

[lean quest]

Yea I was going to say no cache =bleh

[untold grove]

but that array i just mentioned

thats also no cache

imagine hw rad controller as dram in ssd

[red jay]

PCI 2.0 x8 can do up to 4GB/s, probably no 6GB/s link from the drives to the CPU

[untold grove]

yep

[olive wadi]

@untold grove installing magnetic dust filters next to server hard drives good idea ???

or will all my data be sent to the shadow realm because something something magnetics bad for hard drive???

[untold grove]

i mean how close

[dusk turtle]

magnetic dust filters?

Like, small button magnets?

[untold grove]

if vvv small probs no big deal

i mean i wouldnt

but

[olive wadi]

meh

i mean modern cases put a magnetic dust filter by the drive cages

generally by the intake

[untold grove]

ur fine lol

[radiant root]

What doe raid 0 do nvm

[red jay]

To storage? Splits data between two drives. Physical two pieces, but are one digitally. The main reason to do this is simplicity for the petty, but much better read/write for most.

[untold grove]

makes drives fast but doubles fail rate since if one drive fails both do

[mild sluice]

I like living dangerously

[untold grove]

lmao

so does @drowsy apex he runs his game host raid 0

[drowsy apex]

Uh

It's not meant for anyone else other than droq

So just stop

[mild sluice]

dangerously running 2 1tb 860 evos in raid 0

oh right its sorta important but not to important... depends on what youre doing

yeah you'll barely notice a diff

yessir

its prob okay for gaming

[untold grove]

im just messin around silly

[olive wadi]

sequentials are unimportant for general users

Random and mixed IO performance is what makes applications/games load fast and be snappy

which is why you shouldn't buy pcie gen 4 SSDs

lol

[untold grove]

its worth if all you care about is big number on benchmark

then gen 3 is fine

i like the p31

and the 970 evo

evo good, mp34 good, p31 good, sn750 good

what happened lol

o lol

[untold grove]

ur getting an upgrade anyways

no amd trash

[open gazelle]

If you're keeping the PC for a while, RT and DLSS will 97% chance be quite developed by then. I'd go Nvidia if long term upgrade, like 3+ yrs

Or recording/streaming cuz afaik AMD encoder still bad

[untold grove]

why is this in my storage channel

and @open gazelle correct amd's encoder is still absolutely pathetic lol

[covert echo]

anyone have any ideas how to get some wonky eSATA PCI-E cards to recognize the drives? I have an Orico and and some no name brand. no name had an ancient driver. updated it, but still nothing. at least orico had a win10 one, supposed to work w/64 bit. but nada. can anyone help?

[untold grove]

uh dont use those?

lol

[covert echo]

Oh, and it's a DELL XPS running latest win10 updates. two different enclosures, both with Seagate 4TB drives....

Well, newegg sells them but won't offer tech support, so her ei am...

on the bois boot-up, it sees the PCI-E but no devices found

[untold grove]

ewwwww seagate

wew u made all the wrong choices here i see

so let me get this straight

[covert echo]

i also tried western digitial, that's not the issue

[untold grove]

well seagate is a garbage tier brand

but besides that

you have 2 drives and you're trying to run them off of a pcie sata card because why?

[covert echo]

already have a bun ch of usb ports taken

would rather use esata, why not?

[untold grove]

wait so these are usb drives

not over actual sata

oh my mistake i didnt read esata on your original message

[covert echo]

the enclosure have both usb 3.0 and esata outputs

[untold grove]

get usb3 expansion card

use usb3

also dont use externals like that

how many are you using at once?

[covert echo]

two different enclosures, different cables, different cards. same result....

[radiant root]

So it doubles the rate it fails bs if one breaks the other doe to, so if I use nvme it won’t be as likely?

[untold grove]

not actually break, but the data will be lost if one drive in raid 0 fails

[covert echo]

i've tried them by themselves and togehter, same result

[untold grove]

so basically if one drive fails they all do

[radiant root]

Wait so doe it break the drive or just lose data

[untold grove]

just loses data

[radiant root]

Oooo

I might do it

[untold grove]

get 3 drives

raid 5

get the perf of raid 0 with redundancy of 1

raid 0 is for stupids that need high sequential

and most nvme raid solutions are software

which will bottleneck it anyways

[radiant root]

I need fast window boot

[untold grove]

you will experience 0 difference

and @covert echo i am genuinely concerned about what you are doing with so many external drives

[covert echo]

i have a massive amount of audio and video files; was trying to use the esata for backup. i guess not. should just stick with usb 3.0 , got lots of open ports...

[untold grove]

if its just for backups then thats ok

sorry i just saw a person who was running like 6 external drives

once

and its scarred me to this very day lol

[covert echo]

lol indeed

[untold grove]

and yeah theres a reason esata died

was just making sure i didnt have to yell at you to build a nas lol

[covert echo]

i mostly jst run off three internal drives

[untold grove]

just try to find any seagate in your backup system

[covert echo]

didn't know esata died, guess i should have researched...

[untold grove]

and stamp it out lol

garbage smr drives

[covert echo]

seriously, what's the issue w/esata?

[untold grove]

usb3 became able to do basically the same thing bandwidth wise

with almost no downsides

and im not kidding @covert echo i trust seagate drives about as far as i can throw them

i mean dont ever trust a drive but id actively avoid seagate

[covert echo]

ok, thanks, i don't really trust any of them, hence all the backups

guess i wasted my money on the esata cards

[untold grove]

yeah i just manage pretty decently sized arrays

imo hgst > wd > toshiba > most random drive brands > seagate

[covert echo]

hgst?

[untold grove]

yeah

they merged into WD

cant buy them new anymore so imo a no go

lililabs runs almost entirely on hgst/wd

[covert echo]

well, i guess i won't waste anymore time getting these cards to work. maybe i'll see if newegg will exchange them for more usb3.0 cards....

[red jay]

stuck with seagate 7200RPMs on the storage server

[untold grove]

lol rly

wgat drives?

pls no barracuda

[covert echo]

thanks LiliLabs, over and out....

[red jay]

Constellation

came with my R610

[untold grove]

ehhhhh not worst

also hell yea r610

i like those

i was terrified it was gonna be barracudas lol

smr in raid is uhh

[red jay]

def going to upgrade soon, 1TB is not going to be enough if I start datahoarding

[untold grove]

100%

i like the easystores from wd

i also have this one seller

idk if u wanna upgrade now

but uhhh

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353322616179 @red jay

can offer 99 per drive

[red jay]

nice, I have a PERC6/i right now in the server. Maybe a disk shelf + different RAID card.

[untold grove]

100%

get a netapp

and go to town

[olive wadi]

👏 whats with the seagate hate 👏

[red jay]

Quality control f em

[olive wadi]

or is it all just prejudice left behind from their older days

[red jay]

Older how

[thick mulch]

Find the odd one out

[olive wadi]

iirc seagate just had a few bad products back in the day with reliability concerns

and that the reliability of their modern hard drives is completely fine

[minor sun]

Tbh Seagate higher end drives do look decent

But consumer drives wise, it seems the failure rate are fairly high

And there's still negative connotations with the barracuda 3tb with the excessive failure rate

[dusk turtle]

Yes

High failure rates

[minor sun]

And then more recently with Seagate slapping smr on a bunch of consumer drives, and not coming clean about it

Like WD has came clean with which drives are cmr and which drives are smr

Seagate hasn't to my knowledge

[untold grove]

this discord is consumer so i focus on consumer

will happily use exos

[minor sun]

Yes

Need to check later, but I think backblaze does use some higher capacity consumer drives without much problems

[red jay]

The barracudas have terrible reliability compared to anything else. Every single one that was given to me died after a month.

[untold grove]

also smr

[red jay]

HGST, WD Black and Gold for me

yes, SMR

[untold grove]

omega cringe

[minor sun]

HGST is big rip

[untold grove]

hgst, red, gold, n300, x300, hitachi

all good

[red jay]

so just used HGSTs nowadays?

[untold grove]

u see link i sent here

[red jay]

Are those 4KB sector drives supported by the 9211?

[untold grove]

should be

[olive wadi]

Uh...probably because it doesn't really matter lol

WD got in trouble for putting it on NAS drives where it's a real issue

Seagate never did that

[olive wadi]

seagate barracuda 120 review when

SMR SSD time

[untold grove]

true wd did that with nas drives

imo anyone whos too poor to get 8tb+ drives deserves a bad time with their array

based wd

[radiant root]

So if raid 0 fails will all the data just be deleted and I can reinstall windows on it or do I have to do something with the drive to reuse it

[mild sluice]

Solution don’t run raid 0 on your boot drive

[olive wadi]

SIR MY WD RED PRO 4TB IS CMR SIR

mfw im too poor to not just have U.2 drives

and does it really count as an array if its an unraid array

[radiant root]

But I want fast asf boot

[mild sluice]

Just leave your pc on 24/7

[slate abyss]

lmao

[lean quest]

Why not just use an ssd for your boot drive

[red jay]

Are SU800s good drives?

Chips seem solid

[minor sun]

Has dram, therefore decent, but ADATA

@olive wadi I mean, doesn't it impact writes a lot for consumer drives? (Smr)

[olive wadi]

CMR caching is good enough for generic consoomer use

[olive wadi]

They are fine, not good, but fine

[olive wadi]

bad mentality but ok gamer

[minor sun]

@olive wadi bad mentality but I don't like changing controller and nand :p

Also, I mean putting smr in consumer drives instead of cmr

[olive wadi]

Uh yea, SMR consoomer drives still have a CMR cache

[red jay]

thought silicon motion controllers were better than some other ones found nowadays?

[minor sun]

Ah

[olive wadi]

referring to you saying "dram so good"

[olive wadi]

Controller is one part of an SSD

NAND in the SU800 isnt great

[minor sun]

Uh? It's sata, it's either dram or dramless, no hmb

[red jay]

Heard about it, because TLC?

[olive wadi]

There's a lot more to NAND than just being SLC/MLC/TLC/QLC lol

SU800 uses older 32 layer nand iirc

[red jay]

hmm, what is prefered?

I do not pay attention to flash itself much

[olive wadi]

oop its samsung 64 layer now

not great not terrible

its fine, wouldnt pay more than $85 for 1tb though

[red jay]

mine was 53

for 512

[olive wadi]

meh

nvme price-range but whatevs

[red jay]

Are the 860 EVO good? Got a W540 with one in it.

[minor sun]

@olive wadi yea, looks like Micron 32L for su800, and then su850 changed to Samsung 64L, according to SSD sheet

at least that's how I read it

[red jay]

i'll look into those

Using a SU800 as a workstation boot disk for Debian, may not need the best performance.

[red jay]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EMC2-EAE-Hard-Drive-HDD-Disk-Storage-Array-w-2-303-137-000D-FFT-690003/193697978485 are these 3.5" or 2.5"?

[wraith monolith]

uh

my ram is cl15

but some apps say its CL latency is 16

like cpu-z

and others like ryzen master say its CL15

wat

and yes I have XMP enabled

[dusk turtle]

Because the RAM itself is C15 but the bIOS is using C16 with Gear Down Mode at Auto