#storage-devices

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brisk dome
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Why are they cringe?

untold grove
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because sata speeds in general cap out at 500mb/s and oftentimes even good sata ssds will have meh sequential performance

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if you're going for pure game storage hdd is still more than fine and will provide you with more storage density at the same price

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or even less

brisk dome
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HHD isn't great for games anymore

untold grove
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for example a 1tb sata ssd will cost around $100 and a 4tb HDD will be around $80

brisk dome
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Yeah but you're not gonna have 4 TB of games

red jay
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yea im currently looking for strickly game space and maybe other random stuff but nothing major

brisk dome
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Assuming the prebuilt has 500gb m.2, they could have OS + a few other things on it and then get 2tb of SATA SSD for ~200$

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2tb is plenty for a primarily gaming-based system

untold grove
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it depends, i know several people with 4tb of games lol

brisk dome
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Alright but I would much rather have the faster load times on an ssd. @red jay Lili does have a higher rank than me here but I would advise you to get a third opinion as well before buying hhd for games

untold grove
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im also a systems administrator that focuses mostly on storage keeeek

brisk dome
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I'm an average consumer/gamer who ditched an HHD and went to SATA ssds

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zero regret

upper quiver
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yeah, but you paid for that

red jay
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I appreciate the info guys. This is my first PC so im not really sure if the difference of SSD to HDD is going to be a deal breaker for me

upper quiver
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most people dont wanna, so we still tell people to get hdds, because thats the cost effective option

brisk dome
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Tree already said they have $200 budget

upper quiver
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ive got 5.4TB of HDD along with my 2k usd setup

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not a matter of budget

brisk dome
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I'm not saying HDD are always bad, but when you have $200 and need primarily game storage, you should buy some sort of SSD

upper quiver
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SSD for OS and programs, HDD for game and file storage

untold grove
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^^^^^^^^

upper quiver
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because HDDs are fast enough and reliable enough

brisk dome
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Loading screen enthusiasts huh

upper quiver
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and can spare the extra 4 seconds it takes for my game to load

brisk dome
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It's not 4 seconds though

upper quiver
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it really is tho, my hdds put in work

brisk dome
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U crack a whip at them to make em go faster or something?

upper quiver
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i dont need to

untold grove
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my array does like 4gb/s lol

open gazelle
# brisk dome It's not 4 seconds though

depends, HDDs really show their slowness when having to deal with a bunch of IO requests. When you're using the HDD as a game/file storage, the PC doesnt ask for many IO requests. When gaming, you're basically asking for some large files during loading and nothing else is usually using the HDD. You really see issues when having something like an OS on the drive and gaming at the same time. Now, loading times can differ still an okay amount from SSD to HDD, could be like 15s or smth, but lot of the time is that worth justifying getting like a quarter of the storage?

brisk dome
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I hadn't heard about the OS on a separate drive thing, I've only used an hdd with the OS on it as well. I would still say in this case tree should go with solid state for the versatility and durability/reliability

untold grove
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for density over speed

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for games

cerulean mist
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@untold grove its a crucial 500gb m.2

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or nvme

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says nvme m.2 on the box

untold grove
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yeah

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they can be good can be bad

cerulean mist
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ahh

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thats not good but how do i get everything over

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windows doesnt want to transfer

untold grove
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what convo u referring to btw

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im like extremely baked rn

cerulean mist
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up here

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oh lol

untold grove
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AH KK

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oops caps

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here u go bb

cerulean mist
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so what do i do after i get it

untold grove
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u run it

cerulean mist
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sounds sketchy lol

untold grove
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???

cerulean mist
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but i dont even know what it is

untold grove
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im not in the mood to explain stuff but its literally cloning software licensed by crucial to you

cerulean mist
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oh ok

untold grove
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you can always google "what is acronis" to learn more fun facts

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theyre basically the biggest drive cloning service out there

cerulean mist
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oh

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ah

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alr ty

untold grove
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run that, be sure to tell it that the system is being cloned

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and ur all good

cerulean mist
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does it delete the old files or keeps them and sets the cloned files as the main ones?

untold grove
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keeps

cerulean mist
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ok

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good

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ty

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yikes says i need a crucial ssd in my pc

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and i have one in

untold grove
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what ssd

cerulean mist
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its sitting in my motherboard rn

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.

small steppeBOT
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Happy Tribesman#7361 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

cerulean mist
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what

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ah

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i give up

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its not working

untold grove
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this also will work just look up tutorial

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would have preferred acronis but whatever

blissful locust
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What's the best 1TB M.2. drive I can get for 140AUD or lower? Apparently WD SN550 is good but idk what others think

blissful locust
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ah

untold grove
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what is 140aud in real money

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im bad at transfer rates

blissful locust
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about 110usd

untold grove
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kk

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mp34/sn750

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check local prices for those

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it goes mp34, sn750, 970 evo plus

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from like

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best value to best ssd at price point

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but the evo plus will be more

blissful locust
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yea, the evo is 200aud

untold grove
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however it comes with cloning software so might want to consider that

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imo the best clone software

blissful locust
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what are the benefits of that?

untold grove
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if ur upgrading system, it will just copy everything over

blissful locust
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ahh

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should i spend an extra $70 on a 970 evo?

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or go with the mp34?

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sn750 costs more than the 970 evo here

untold grove
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mp34 better value

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is it the 970 plus or just the 970 evo

blissful locust
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just 970 evo

untold grove
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i dont like the evo as much

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id grab the mp34

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and you can figure out clonezilla when u need to copy

blissful locust
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okay!

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thanks, ill do that

untold grove
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np!

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enjoy the storage :)))

blissful locust
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mhm

red jay
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are timetec drives any good

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and are they dramless

untold grove
red jay
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ok

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ik

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im on a very tight budget

untold grove
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so dont bother

red jay
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what

untold grove
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dont bother trying to save $5 on storage

red jay
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ok

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sure

untold grove
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i cant tell if you're being an ass or not cause im tired

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but if the manufacturer doesnt provide a datasheet its generally a red flag

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so congrats the only spec is "3d nand"

red jay
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ok

untold grove
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looks like its a rebrand of a liteon ssd

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which is meh

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so

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avoid

red jay
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this

red jay
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i could not find any samsung drive for less then 60usd

untold grove
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this

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$55

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ez

red jay
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its 89

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sale ends in 21hrs

untold grove
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then get it in 21> hours?

red jay
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i cant

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this is a build im willing to buy in july

untold grove
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and its just newegg being scum

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no fake sale

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easy

red jay
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hmmm

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i dont deal with amazon

untold grove
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newegg is just not a good place to buy things

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well thats your issue then

red jay
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any ssd 480-512gb

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max 50usd

untold grove
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if you dont use the better platform to buy things

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for some reason

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just wait for whats on sale when u actually are ready to buy the build

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since you dont seem to care abt brand

red jay
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yes

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or speeds

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i have a 120gig m.2 for boot

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and a 1tb for games

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and a 320gig

untold grove
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there is 0 need to plan a pc build now

red jay
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ik

untold grove
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that youre gonna do in a few months

red jay
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yes

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mid june

untold grove
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so dont waste ppls time honestly, whatever anyone tells you to buy will probably either be outclassed or outdated by the time you actually buy

fervent bronze
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idk if it fits in this channel or #windows-ios but is it possible to take an ssd with only games on it on a new computer and istalling windows and other programms on it without any risk?

vernal cloud
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You could but I wouldn't. I'd do a clean install.

fervent bronze
vernal cloud
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You can do that. I have a couple hds with movies etc that I reuse, but any programs get reinstalled.

fervent bronze
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rn i have an hdd with windows and programms and a ssd with only games. for my new build i would like to get rid off the old hhd and keep my ssd

whole prawn
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lol im dumb do i install the OS to the raid array or do i need a separate drive?

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oh wait no because BIOS dosent know how to boot from a partition larger then 2.2TB

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so looks like i will need another drive

steep fractal
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I have a Samsung mod. np300v5a hdd drive is seagate st500lmo12 500gb dead! I would like to replace it with a ssd 500 gb that would be a direct install is a ssd that will be compatable available?

obsidian steeple
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what do you mean direct install? as in a internal ssd?

dusk turtle
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Mmmm, is it still running WIndows 7?

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@steep fractal

steep fractal
steep fractal
dusk turtle
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It should, yes

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But still worth a check once you're done

steep fractal
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thanks I am just a newbie and the help is great

dusk turtle
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YW

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The Samsung SSD is plug and play

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Just check TRIM after you're done and enjoy the speed boost

steep fractal
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great just what I was hoping for thanks!!

spice skiff
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anyone know any good promo codes out there about to buy an m.2 ssd and hardrive

late vector
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Go check wegg, micro center if theres one near u, and best buy for deals

spice skiff
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ok thx

brisk dome
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promo codes
use Honey

untold grove
broken kayak
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Which should I get 970 evo or evo plus?

dusk turtle
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evo

untold grove
untold grove
# dusk turtle evo

$10 more for god tier nand and slightly better sequential is very worth

quartz plaza
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mobo bios not notice my m.2

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its installed correctly

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b550i gaming edge wifi mini-itx

dusk turtle
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What motherboard and what M.2?

quartz plaza
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samsung 970 evo 500gb

dusk turtle
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Is it held down with a screw?

quartz plaza
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it notices my 860 evo

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yes

dusk turtle
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Front or back slot?

quartz plaza
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front

dusk turtle
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Did you take out the extra standoff?

quartz plaza
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yes

dusk turtle
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K

quartz plaza
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i installed it correct

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im like 99% sure

dusk turtle
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Label with chips facing up?

quartz plaza
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yes

dusk turtle
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Hmmmm, it should just show up

quartz plaza
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can u even install an ssd upside down

dusk turtle
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I dunno, never tried but I don't question anything any more

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The things I've seen here............. XD

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Anyway, I'd do a Clear CMOS and see if it shows up

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If not, try the slot on the back

quartz plaza
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ok

dusk turtle
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I didn't see anything in the manual about special set up

trail kiln
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Hoping in on this talk. I'm fairly knowledged in hardware but not so strong in the SSD department and I'm about to buy one. Specs of the evo 970 is promising and it seems it gets a lot of high praises but my goodness the jump from 1tb - 2tb ssd is way too ridiculous.I'll eventually get me a 1tb evo but I was hoping to get a 2tb one. Any suggestions as to alternatives that are not $500? I was hoping for mid $200. A little over 260 and 270 is acceptable but I'm not trying to hit 300 unless it is truly worth it. This is probably a question asked here often and I'm scrolling up and reading a fair share that I can but if anyone is willing to jump in and throw suggestions, I'm very much all ears... well eyes

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Oh I should probably add that my interface is a PCIe NVMe

dusk turtle
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not for a 2 TB NVME. Still spendy

untold grove
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basically

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just get 2x 1tb 970 pro (not evo) and ur good

dusk turtle
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I run 2 1 TB Sabrents

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$250

untold grove
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yep

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thats around like

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sane amounts to pay lol

trail kiln
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Fair

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That's a quick response I'm willing to take

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Much appreciated

untold grove
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and

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the 970 plus is what to go for

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i mistyped when i said pro

trail kiln
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Any links @ Vintage?

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I read up on your suggestion about 10 dollars more is much worth it

untold grove
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both are good but tbh

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the 970 plus is 100% worth $20 more

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better NAND by a lot (mlc vs tlc) and a better controller as well

trail kiln
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Fantastic. That's what I'm getting then. Thank you

untold grove
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np!!!

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im not saying sabrent is bad, im just saying id spend the extra $40 in total and get a super good drive

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i predict 100% that the price of that drive is going to go up soon

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because its too good of a deal for what youre getting

trail kiln
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For future knowledge, can I also ask a simple break down in order which one is better with the memory component? Like you said MLC>TLC And I think there's a QLC

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Does it go like MLC>TLC>QLC?

untold grove
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the lower the better

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yep

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and slc is god tier

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but you will never get a slc ssd under like $2k

trail kiln
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Bruh lol

untold grove
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theyre stupid expensive

trail kiln
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Got it. Keeping that for safe keeping. Good knowledge. Thanks again!

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And I follow you up on that. Weighing the $40 and seeing if it's worth it

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Thank you again!

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I've said that a bit but yeah lol

red jay
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should i upgrade my 480gb kingston ssd to nvme?

untold grove
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is it an a400

minor sun
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lol

untold grove
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a400 is so bad keeeeek

minor sun
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ya

opal meadow
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@untold grove what is a good 1tb ssd for under 130 sata or m.2 for game storage

lean quest
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“Just pay the $20 more and get a Samsung drive”

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-Lilli

dusk turtle
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Sabrent ROcket, black label

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I have two, fast as heck

opal meadow
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This one?

dusk turtle
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Yes

red jay
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this any good

minor sun
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No, bit overpriced, no

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wd blue is decent, other 2 are dramless

onyx kindle
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is D Blue 3D NAND 500GB Internal SSD - SATA III M.2 2280 Solid State Drive - WDS500G2B0B compatible with an Acer Aspire 3 model 315-21 laptop?

dusk turtle
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No, you need a 2.5" sata drive for that looks like

onyx kindle
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the laptop has an internal m.2 slot

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assume it's SATA, but not sure

dusk turtle
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Hm, it wasn't listed on their website

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I looked at a couple different versions of that model too

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It's probably a safe bet that's it's SATA and not NVME

onyx kindle
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I know. The acer website is very unhelpful. The manual has of use in it.

dusk turtle
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ahhhh

onyx kindle
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!thanks for following up appreciated

dusk turtle
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YW

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WIthout a manual I can't confirm 100% but I highly doubt it's NVME

onyx kindle
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will a SATA drive work with NVME?

dusk turtle
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Yes, it will work in an M.2 slot

onyx kindle
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it's a cheap computer, so don't want to put a lot of $ into it

dusk turtle
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understood

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Got a link to the manual?

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I can read it to confirm

onyx kindle
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unfortunately not, I downloaded from Acer sometime ago. Don't remember the exact link. the laptop is an Acer Aspire 3 model 315-21-95K

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the manual didn't have anything in it about an M.2 drive slot that I could find

dusk turtle
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FOund it I think

onyx kindle
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thanks anyway for the offer. I'll probably just order a SATA version

dusk turtle
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Reading it now lol

onyx kindle
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funny!

dusk turtle
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Huh

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I didn't see anything in there about an M.2 slot

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It was very generic

onyx kindle
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yeah, not a professional writing job. very incomplete

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I've had the back off, so I know it has an M.2 slot

dusk turtle
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sata then

onyx kindle
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👍

minor sun
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@untold grove got heatsink, will install soon, and get back with cdm results

opal meadow
dusk turtle
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Sabrent very nice

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I have 2

pearl scaffold
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Any help please I need to do my schoolwork

thick mulch
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uuh is that a new disk?

untold grove
dusk turtle
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Boot from UEFI instead of legacy?

untold grove
dusk turtle
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Ah

opal meadow
# untold grove easystore imo

Yeah that might be the option then I have a reason to do more cable management and have 8 times the storage for 10 dollars more

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I am assuming you just throw away the case that the hdd is in

pearl scaffold
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I tried @untold grove

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Still not working

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I went ahead and bought an ssd but I need something in the meantime..

untold grove
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show me the screen

minor sun
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Hm

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Heatsink doesn't fix writes

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Temps are staying under 50c though

pearl scaffold
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Is western digital a good ssd brand, or should I go with Samsung evo

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Hey @untold grove so I ordered a ssd, do you think it will work if I try on the new ssd?

untold grove
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can you show me the screen keeeeek

pearl scaffold
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I quit bruh

untold grove
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thats a you problem then keeeeek

pearl scaffold
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Lol basically my hard drive wasn’t being deleted and unallocated space

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It said it has unacclocated space and everything was free, but I couldn’t install windows onto it, so do u think the ssd will work

untold grove
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you deleted the partitions instead of formatting?

pearl scaffold
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I tried deleting and formatting

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@kind sierra helped me convert to gtp didn’t work

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So I ordered a 970 evo, will it fix my problem and let me game again?

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@untold grove

untold grove
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does the drive show up as unallocated?

pearl scaffold
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Yea

untold grove
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itll work with ssd but thats odd

pearl scaffold
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Good is the 970 evo in 1tb hood?

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Good*

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@untold grove

untold grove
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id get the 970 evo plus

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but yeah

noble atlas
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Don't pay the Samsung tax

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Unless it's on sale

untold grove
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there is no samsung tax

noble atlas
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Samsung tax = paying too much for what you get when you buy a 970

dusk turtle
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Well, they're cheap now

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same price as Sabrent and WD SN750

noble atlas
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Oh really?

dusk turtle
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They're learning

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Yes

untold grove
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yeah theyre the same

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and even for a bit more you get better nand and a nicer controller

noble atlas
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Ah so it's $10 more now instead of $50

untold grove
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very worth the extra 10

jaunty elm
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hey i need a hdd... at least 2tb. maybe 4 depending on price. suggestions? speed does not matter as I would have my m.2 boot and have this hdd just store... i can do that right?

jaunty elm
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ill do the 4tb 5400 rpm. speed doesnt matter cause i can do the booting with the ssd right

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thanks lili

untold grove
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❤️

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and correct, this would just be like a big usb drive basically

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fill it with whatever

jaunty elm
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would i set that up in BIOS or does m.2 naturally take priorityover hdd

untold grove
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whatever has windows on it will have boot priority

young geyser
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07P5QFRGJ? Found this 512gb drive that looks to be pretty nice, tlc, Phison E12, dram, no hmb. Only at $55. ThoughI I’m a little skeptical abt it bc of the price. Idk if the manufacturers have changed controllers or anything so is there anything wrong with this?

untold grove
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let me see

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id say

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worth to pay more for evo/sn750

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anyone can make ssds, and if you rly want to save

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itll work fine

young geyser
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hm alright, I’ll see if the evo still at $60

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thanks

untold grove
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like gonestly

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honestly

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i dont see anything making me think its bad

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its just a rebrand

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like the rocket

young geyser
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hmmm I see, so a rebrand, I’ll think it through but I might just end up getting the evo ig

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well uh thank you (:

untold grove
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np!

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and yeah anyone can make ssds

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was thinking of making lililabs ssds lol

digital berry
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Guys whats a better replacement for Samsung 860 EVO?

pearl scaffold
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How’s this ssd

upper quiver
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overkill for most people

minor sun
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Not supported on Intel boards yet

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Or AMD boards before b550

lean quest
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More than the boards the cpu doesn’t support it yet

minor sun
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I'm emphasizing the boards because Z490 claims pcie 4.0 with 11th gen, so that's why I had the "yet"

viscid rivet
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So, I should be getting most of my parts sometime this week and I was wondering how I would be able to transfer just some files I need from the old pc to the new one. Roughly ~120GB of photos and other stuff. Is it safe to just put my old drive in the new one or do I need to buy an external hard drive?

open gust
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Hey can anyone help me choose what hdd I should get

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Can u just @open gust when you guys can help me thx

opal meadow
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@untold grove dude is asking about a hdd

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@open gust I believe that they would say either a Western Digital or Toshiba

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That is what I think they would say could be wrong

untold grove
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i said toshiba or wd

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and he KEEPS ASKING

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@open gust stop asking i already told you

opal meadow
untold grove
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no its not you

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its this person keeeek

minor sun
upper quiver
untold grove
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my ssd is full Cry

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i only get like 2.2gb/s

red jay
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hey all. any recommendations for a NAS that can also be directly attached to a pc? Other computers on the network would connect via NAS, but one machine should connect via USB/thunderbolt

red jay
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huge photo library that I need to be able to edit photos from one machine, and have access to from others

untold grove
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photos are fine over network

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answer is you cannot btw

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synology makes the best nas hardware, tell me what kind of space you need and ill point you in the right direction

red jay
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4bay so i can do raid 5 or 10

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and 16tb

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does that not have direct access from a PC and over network?

untold grove
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qnap is ass

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and that price is insane

red jay
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yeah, that price is high...i've seen it for 700 elsewhere

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i have a USG-3P router and US-8-150W switch

untold grove
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qnap has some awful software and kills drives

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and imo

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10gbe is more than enough

red jay
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ok, well my switch is 10 Gbps so I can run a nas with that speed

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so then what do you recommend? I have *nix boxes and windows boxes

untold grove
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thats what id do

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as i said

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if you want a prebuilt

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synology is amazing

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you shucking?

red jay
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what does that mean?

untold grove
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the drives

red jay
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still don't understand

untold grove
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basically

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for nas drives

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you either pay 400 for a 12tb drive or pay 200 for an easystore, take it apart, and get the same drive keeeek

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this is a great box here

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but no 10gbe

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this does 10gbe but worse cpu (less fun stuff to run on the nas)

red jay
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I don't know what I would run on the nas, really I just need it for accessible storage and editing photos on the nas

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so sounds like I need a 10gbps box, maybe 4bay

untold grove
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just stuff like backups/synology's photo organizer

red jay
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oh i see

untold grove
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10gbps at least 5 bay

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4 bay sucks

red jay
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why is this?

untold grove
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5 drives is the best for raid 5

red jay
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ok, looking at Synology 5 bays

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what does the m2 slots do for the nas?

untold grove
#

cache

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throw a nvme drive in there and anything u write will max connection no issue

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i have 8tb nvme for my array

red jay
#

oh so it will cache in the m2 while the platters catchup?

untold grove
#

yep

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its pretty nice

red jay
#

cool, thanks for the info

untold grove
#

:))

#

and @red jay qnap's os has so many security holes its really not worth putting anything even semi important on

urban fjord
#

Hello

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So I have a question

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Would it be cheaper to have a 240 GB SSD and 1 TB HDD vs just a 1 TB SSD?

upper flint
#

wd black nvme any good ?

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500gb

dusk turtle
#

SN750?

upper flint
#

yes

dusk turtle
#

Good drive

#

Very good

upper flint
#

perfect

#

and i also have a samsung 860 evo is that any good?

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1tb

dusk turtle
#

860 is good, I have two of them

upper flint
#

nice

brisk dome
#

although at this point m.2 is becoming a lot more affordable than it used to be

rancid pike
#

i wanna get my 3070 so i can test what my speeds are like

tame kettle
#

Anyone able to help me set up my storage for my m.2 my bios won’t pick it up and it won’t pick my hdd up

dusk turtle
#

What motherboard, what M.2 and what SSD?

tame kettle
#

@dusk turtle could you come to one of vc so I can explain I struggle to type

dusk turtle
#

No mic lol. Cats ate my boom for my headset -_-

tame kettle
#

Ooof I have a Asus b450 f mb with a wd green m.2 1
Hdd and 1 ssd and only ssd is being picked up

dusk turtle
#

Ok, give me some time

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need to read manual

tame kettle
#

Ok

dusk turtle
#

I think I know what's going on but need to check

tame kettle
#

Ok lol

dusk turtle
#

Is your M.2 in the top or bottom slot?

tame kettle
#

Top

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My hdd and ssd are in ports 1 and 2

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@dusk turtle any idea

dusk turtle
#

M.2 is held down with a screw?

#

Not just hanging out?

tame kettle
#

Yep it was working until bios went back to default settings

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Screw is in for the m.2

dusk turtle
#

Yeah, I can't see anything about port disabling for the M.2 port. Bios went back to default settings, what exactly happened? Update BIOS? SOmething crashed?

tame kettle
#

It bsod and rest it self

dusk turtle
#

oof

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That's not good

#

I would say this

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take out the M.2 drive and see if the others show up

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It may have failed keeping the others from showing in BIOS

tame kettle
#

I have and only ssd show up

dusk turtle
#

Ah

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move the SSD and HDD to 5/6 ports

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see if you get both there

tame kettle
#

Ok two secs

dusk turtle
#

👍

tame kettle
#

I see both is there something I have got to enable for m.2

dusk turtle
#

Ok if both showed up in different ports

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5/6

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Put the M.2 back in

tame kettle
#

Ok

dusk turtle
#

If still problems, either drive died or motherboard controller died

tame kettle
#

I hope neither as there all new

dusk turtle
#

It happens

tame kettle
#

The m.2 has power as it is warm lol

dusk turtle
#

not showing though?

tame kettle
#

No lol

dusk turtle
#

Yikes

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IMO, the drive is dead

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WD Green aren't very high quality

tame kettle
#

Can you vc and I’ll explain and you type.

dusk turtle
#

BUt, it honestly could be the board too since the 1/2 ports don't work with it

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There's no way to tell without another drive

tame kettle
#

Because I can explain what happens properly if you can

dusk turtle
#

M.2 doesn't show at all

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Drives now show using different ports

#

yeah?

tame kettle
#

I mean like what causes the system to be like this

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I have issues with my hands I’m struggling lol

dusk turtle
#

Most likely the M.2 drive failed and took out part of the controller with it

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WD green drives are low quality

#

Honestly, the regular SSD you have on a Sata cable is just as fast

#

Sata M.2 should be avoided

tame kettle
#

The issues is I’ve lost some footage of people braking Into my house lol

dusk turtle
#

Well, there's no way to recover that drive that I know of if your information is on it.

#

If it won't show in the BIOS, it's probably ded

tame kettle
#

Oooof

dusk turtle
#

I know

#

You didn't put it in the lower M.2 slot, did you?

tame kettle
#

Nope

dusk turtle
#

Good

tame kettle
harsh berry
#

so i got a samsung m.2 so i used the samsung software to transfer the os and stuff can i format the old drive?

dusk turtle
#

Can you boot from the new drive?

#

I would try that first before you format the old one

harsh berry
#

the old one

dusk turtle
#

Just choose it in the BIOS

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But you can unplug it if you like

#

that works too

untold grove
#

yeah make sure the clone worked before wiping lul

thick mulch
#

ooh you got techie

untold grove
#

yea babey

west creek
#

Should I get a 1tb ssd or 500gb ssd and a hdd

untold grove
#

500gb ssd/2tb-4tb hdd

west creek
#

Ok

untold grove
#

avoid seagate

west creek
#

What’s a good hdd with a reasonable price

untold grove
#

wd blue 2tb or blue 4tb

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2tb around $50, 4tb $75 or so

west creek
#

Ok

loud estuary
#

or Seagate Barracuda 2tb

obsidian steeple
untold grove
#

bad drives, cmr, high failure rate

#

to put it super simple, its like a really nice tlc ssd vs a really bad qlc ssd

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both work, but one works worse and for not nearly as long

#

the wd blue is a much better dirve

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drive

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cmr, low fail rate, reliable

obsidian steeple
#

What about the seagate drives causes them to fail more often?

untold grove
#

just poorer qc in general

obsidian steeple
#

Would you trust Seagate for higher capacity HDDs?

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Such as the Exos lineup

untold grove
#

so with drives, its not just capacity

#

capacity is nice

#

but its sku

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exos are their enterprise drives

#

i would trust any company's enterprise drives

obsidian steeple
#

what about WDs?

untold grove
#

now thats tricky

#

i like wd a lot

#

but i feel like the excel more in the prosumer space

#

fantastic for nas, big storage

#

would I run an enterprise array on WD drives? yes. Would I maybe run one more backup per week than normal? Also yes.

#

enterprise drives are often categorized differently from nas drives due to rpm and cache, as well as firmware

#

while also getting the best binned platters

#

for example wd purples and seagate skyhawk(?) drives are literally just nas drives

#

but they will not stop and try to correct a sector that isnt written properly

#

because they are for cctv usage

#

and that means constant writes

#

so going back to enterprise drives it depends what you put them in

#

it would need to be enterprise grade hardware for me to trust them over nas drives

#

nas drives are generally 5400rpm which means less vibration and less heat/noise output

#

I would want a chassis that can somewhat migitate extra vibration and heat if I were running an enterprise array

#

imo the enterprise drives are mostly pointless but they are really nice to have and I would use a seagate exos gladly

obsidian steeple
#

Thank you for the information, do you possibly know any youtubers that go into detail about drives and their technologies so i could learn more?

untold grove
#

honestly not too many that arent shills

#

i try to be objective

#

the reason why i bash seagate so much is because their consumer grade offerings are poor compared to wd/toshiba

#

and this server is consumer grade for the most part

obsidian steeple
#

Is there any topics i should atleast google to get a better understanding of drives?

untold grove
#

id do smr vs cmr

#

thats a really good stepping stone into learning more about mechanical drives

obsidian steeple
#

Thank you!

untold grove
#

and from there

#

look up what models from which makers are smr vs cmr

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and youll see why i tell people to avoid seagates

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hehe

obsidian steeple
#

So, SMR bad, CMR good?

untold grove
#

basically yes

obsidian steeple
#

so The WD RZ drives are good, but their AZ are bad, I haven't done much looking but is there a $60 2TB 7200RPM CMR WD drive?

untold grove
#

no those would be wd black

obsidian steeple
#

So the $100 drives

untold grove
#

yep

#

toshiba has this tho

#

kinda nutty

obsidian steeple
#

So its pretty much the better choice

untold grove
#

yeah

#

toshiba doesnt make viable drives under 4tb tho

obsidian steeple
#

is 3bit MLC just TLC?

#

Because the SN850 is TLC, but the 980Pro is 3bit MLC

untold grove
#

yeah 3 bit mlc is just what samsung calls their highest binned tlc

#

its god tier tlc

#

with insane endurance

#

like tbh its close to mld

#

mlc

#

but technically mlc

#

the m just means multi

#

so i can say 4 bit mlc and be talking qlc

obsidian steeple
#

I dont like that, they should all use the same naming convention

untold grove
#

it is the sketchiest thing samsung does by far

#

like i sort of get it cause the tlc theyre putting into the 980 pro is god tier and ppl see tlc and think meh

obsidian steeple
#

is there something missing, or is the SN850 a better performer than the 980Pro, i dont know anything about endurance though.

#

wait

untold grove
#

tbh

obsidian steeple
#

drive sizes

untold grove
#

samsung stuff goes for so long

#

theres rated endurance and actual endurance

#

manufacturer tbw is just like

#

"this is how long we rate it to go for"

#

like dealership warranties when u get a car

obsidian steeple
#

like rope capacity

untold grove
#

yeah basically

#

for example i had a samsung drive

#

i think it was a 970/960

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3.5pbw

obsidian steeple
#

thats a lot

untold grove
#

was rated for 600tb

obsidian steeple
#

so, what do you do that needs so much writing endurance?

untold grove
#

cache

obsidian steeple
#

Makes sense
What would be another good search to learn more? and how important is the chipset on SSDs.

untold grove
#

well theres the one ssd tier list

obsidian steeple
#

the ltt one?

untold grove
#
#

yep

#

just ignore adata

obsidian steeple
#

whats up with them?

untold grove
#

sketchy as hell and specs dont tell the full story

#

imo i buy samsung, sabrent, kioxia, or corsair ssds

#

hp/inland are also fine, as well as hynix and seagate

#

a lot of my ssds are seagate

obsidian steeple
#

Isnt there some sort of microwave HDD thing? is that HAMR?

untold grove
#

irrelevant lul

obsidian steeple
#

Why so? outdated or not nescessary?

untold grove
#

both

obsidian steeple
#

lol

glossy shadow
#

does anyone know how to safely transfer an entirety of an OS hdd drive to an ssd?

#

ive been racking my head around this for months and i still havent been able to figure it out

dusk turtle
#

What SSD?

#

I know Samsung has software to do it, entire disk copy

glossy shadow
#

uh either mushkin or seagate im pretty sure

#

since i have 3 1tb ssds

#

2 mushkin 1 seagate

dusk turtle
#

Seagate has Diskwizard

#

It can clone drive

glossy shadow
#

ah ok sweet

#

i did not know that

#

(i actually dont have my seagate ssd connected to any sata port yet lol)

dusk turtle
#

No worries but grab their software

glossy shadow
#

alright thx

dusk turtle
#

YW

manic dagger
#

Would this work with a pc

dusk turtle
#

Yes

#

It's just a USB connection

manic dagger
#

If I have xbox games installed on it, it would't like corrupt or anything right?

dusk turtle
#

That I don't know

#

I don't know what file system the Xbox uses

manic dagger
#

If they is the same one it wont currupt right?

dusk turtle
#

Right

untold grove
minor sun
#

oo nice

untold grove
#

honestly not a bad drive

#

or a bad price

#

idk about how the nand is binned but

#

im sure its alr

opal meadow
#

The 12tb easystore is now only 190 that is very tempting

#

And the 8tb is now at 200 again so 12tb is now cheaper than the 8tb that is very very tempting

untold grove
#

Where you getting those numbers?

#

8tb is at 140, 12tb is at 190 though

opal meadow
#

Oh the 8tb was showing 200 for some reason now it is back to 140

minor sun
#

@untold grove out of curiosity, how large (in terms of 3.5in bays) are your typical NASes?

minor sun
#

hm interesting

#

asked because of the Meshify 2 XL, which can have 18 3.5in bays in the case

untold grove
#

no rackmount

whole prawn
#

i love this
My nas itself is tempermental
and the hard drives in it are even more so

#

drive is perfectly accessible directly from windows xp still havent gone to the raid nas yet

#

so while yes you can access the drive locally

#

you cant access it from the network just randomly

#

im not sure if this is just XP being XP or what

#

so the OS is picky and so are the Drives

#

If i bump the thing the drives come unplugged making the drives themselves pucky

#

*picky

#

and then once i fix that then the OS has a fit

#

this is really annoying

#

i swear this thing is more picky then a toddler wanting a specific food

#

and its soooo annoying

#

every time i see that error come up i swear to god my heart skips a beat or two, since this NAS has no redundancy and the RAID 6 NAS still hasnt came online due to shipping delays, so i still cant end the service of the XP NAS

#

idk what i did to XP to make it this picky but i hate it

#

it will probally end up coming back on in like a hour tho like usual so i guess i will wait

whole prawn
#

its been a over a hour now still not back

#

wtffff

#

its not a hardware issue since the contents are fully readable locally

untold grove
#

almost like its held together with tape or smth keeeek

red jay
#

My HDD says that it is corrupted, and that i should change it for a new one, is there a way to fix it? Or I should really purchase a new one, because right now money is pretty tight for me

whole prawn
untold grove
#

wgat did it say exactly

whole prawn
#

if your feeling gheeto you could try the freezer but that wont fix corruption

red jay
#

@untold grove it literally said i should replace it, i mean im still using it, but it crashed once and i lost all my games, had to reinstall them again

whole prawn
#

if it even did it once

#

you should of thrown that thing out

untold grove
#

id replace it tbh

#

you can run a SMART test on it

#

but if the bios is telling you its bad

#

its probs very bad lol

whole prawn
#

Your hard drive sounds like its being held together by prayers to

vernal cloud
#

I have fat fingers and don't really want to add a m.2 nvme drive down the road, I was thinking about just getting two for my new build. I know 2 970 pro's/wd750s would work or should I get at least one that is pcie4.0?

untold grove
#

depends how much u want that speed lol

vernal cloud
#

I suppose. With tariffs, I don't think they will be coming down in price anytime soon.

untold grove
#

the 2 speed demons of the pcie 4 world

radiant root
#

Sheeshhhhh

#

What’s the window boot time?

untold grove
#

the same as on sata

vernal cloud
#

Oh dang. I didn't even think about a sabrent. Some quick reading they seem like good drives. I've been a samsung sata guy my entire life, but for $50 more a stick, that is doable.

untold grove
#

im 100% in it for samsung

#

all the time

#

so something to keep in mind

#

the 970 pro is mlc

#

like actual mlc

#

that thing will last u a w h i l e

minor sun
#

@untold grove smh no

#

rocket 4 plus over 980 pro

radiant root
minor sun
#

that screenshot is clearly rocket 4 plus with those write speeds >:P

#

980 pro only rated for 5000mb/s write

untold grove
#

it 100% is lol

#

im just saying those are the two fastest ssds you can get rn

minor sun
#

I don't like lumping 980 pro and rocket 4 plus together

#

one is 7000/5000

#

the other is 7000/6850

untold grove
#

and that depending on what theyre doing

#

the 970 pro is also alright

minor sun
#

yes

untold grove
#

if they want endurance

minor sun
#

but SPEEEEED

untold grove
#

i like the 970 pro more than the 980 pro

minor sun
#

I like rocket 4 plus over all of em >:D

untold grove
#

tfw my nvme drives do like 2000/1500

minor sun
#

tfw my nvme drives do like 3000/1000

untold grove
#

tfw ur nvme drives do 3000/100

minor sun
#

o no

#

imagine if I run cdm and it just drops

untold grove
#

if ssds could be smr

minor sun
#

why

untold grove
#

lmao joke cause smr has fine read and ABYSMAL writes

minor sun
#

heh

untold grove
#

its why theyre marketed as archival drives

#

can get data off but its a pain to get data o

#

n

#

i kind of want this drive

#

it looks fun

#

ceramic pc

minor sun
#

@untold grove YOU WANT MP34

#

YOU KNOW IT

untold grove
#

i wouldnt mind a mp34

minor sun
#

also, that's basically a MP34, but with Micron instead of Toshiba nand

untold grove
#

i just cant rly tell people to get something i havent personally used

minor sun
#

oh wait looking at the wrong one

#

C440 is Toshiba nand

#

it's also the slower "wave" of pcie 4.0 drives

#

5000/4400

untold grove
#

yeah

#

also the controller is e16 and not e12

#

its not fast and it costs more than the rocket

#

lol

#

but ceramic

minor sun
untold grove
#

how 2 make ur own teamgroup ssd but better

#

rocket 4.0 plus and this

minor sun
#

rocket 4 plus included heatsink prob way better

untold grove
#

but its not ceramic

#

and iirc its just a sticker

#

for the 4.0 plus

#

actually looks like a smal copper piece

open gazelle
#

I'd go SN850 over 4 plus/980 Pro

untold grove
#

id go 4 plus over sn850

#

and sn850 over 980 pro

whole prawn
#

Defragging is the HDD equivalent of spring cleaning change my mind

thick mulch
#

Uuh

#

Not really...

#

Defragging is like giving a 10 year old lambo its first tuneup

#

Like its a dirty mess, and then it gets tuned up then its fast as hell

#

And i am talking this lambo is held together by tape

untold grove
#

yeah

#

spring cleaning is organizing files

#

but not too much

#

defrag is just a tuneup

whole prawn
#

wait random thought wait happens if something like a raid array gets fragmented
since writing to RAID 5-6 is slow as hell what would one do if it did get fragmented?
or is there some fancy software that keeps things from getting fragmented in the first place?

untold grove
#

you defrag it

whole prawn
#

yea but wouldent that be slow as hell due to the speed that raid 5-6 writes at?

#

i read somewhere that raid 5-6 has a x8 write slowdown

untold grove
#

it takes a while

whole prawn
#

ok well out of necessity i am going to be getting a SSD boot drive for this New Raid 6 NAS
you said something about a cache before, for a RAID array? would a
ADATA Ultimate Series: SU630 240GB SSD be ok for one?

untold grove
#

adata bad

whole prawn
#

well im broke so shush

untold grove
#

budget?

whole prawn
#

like at this point im running on whatever i can find laying around in my room
so like 40$ max and 10$ of that has to be spent on a sata cable and hard drive mount thing

untold grove
#

mlc ssd

narrow sorrel
#

7200RPM? People be pepeg

untold grove
#

iirc ebay autofills it

narrow sorrel
#

Do they? I've never had to sell anything, I'd just assumed the titles were always seller-created

untold grove
#

yep

#

ebay autofills it

#

these drives are nice because endurance over tlc drives

thick mulch
#

On Ali they have “king spec” drives lol

untold grove
#

theyre ehh

open gazelle
vernal cloud
#

Decided to just get a 980 pro. Had some best buy bucks from Christmas.

heavy dagger
#

How good are WD Blacks? Got a chance to buy a few 2TB ones on the cheap and wondering if they are worth it

minor sun
#

Which one? SN750 is pretty good

heavy dagger
#

P10 I believe

minor sun
#

uhm

#

I can't find any drive by the name of "P10"

upper quiver
#

i know of a p1, p2, and p5

#

ohh, its an HDD

#

@heavy dagger you mean this?

#

i think these are only 5400 rpm

#

also its an external usb drive

#

so pretty good for what it is, but dont buy it for a desktop pc

dusk turtle
#

2.5" laptop drive

#

Almost guaranteed to be 5400 RPM

heavy dagger
#

Ohh yeah those guys.

upper quiver
#

yeah

dusk turtle
#

NOt sure it really matters for a console though?

upper quiver
#

prolly fine for an xb1 or ps4

#

or xb1 games on the newer series consoles

heavy dagger
#

I didn't realize that they were externals.

dusk turtle
#

Yeah, I wouldn't for a PC unless it's a dump and store for data

heavy dagger
#

Hmm the price is great but might have to pass up. Don't think I have a use

upper quiver
#

just because its on sale doesnt mean the price is good

heavy dagger
#

I really don't need storage for my PS4 cause I don't use it lol

upper quiver
#

the 90 dollar MSRP is pretty steep

heavy dagger
#

$35 is what they is

#

They normally go for 70

#

About

upper quiver
#

oh im seeing em on sale for 65, but hey, 35 is pretty good

solar beacon
#

Any good 500gb nvme?

red jay
#

wd blue sn550 or crucial p2 for price . wd sn750 is more performance

narrow sorrel
#

If you are just going to be shoving stuff onto it and not actively moving stuff all the time, I'd back the sn550 seeing as how I've got two of them in an array for my games, haven't had any major issues or major speed drops

loud estuary
solar beacon
#

Got the sn750 500gb 43$ @loud estuary

loud estuary
#

Oh wait

#

I was looking at su750, please hold

solar beacon
#

I ordered it from walmart because of my promo code, got 25$ off

loud estuary
#

That one is actually great for that price

#

Please hold while I delete the evd for my brainfart

solar beacon
#

luckily I had the promo code from walmart cause they still haven’t shipped my ps5 since 12/17 and delivery is 01/12

#

So they gave me a promo code for my Patience

loud estuary
#

MP34 would likely still be cheaper if you could still use the code, but if you can only use that promo on the sn750 they have very similar specs

solar beacon
#

Already ordered it earlier hehe

#

Thanks though

slow apex
#

Hello, my Samsung evo 970 m.2 ssd 1tb arrived yesterday and I used Samsungs migration software to convert my storage from my old hard drive into the new ssd, according to the software this included windows. After it was transferred I tried to use it as my boot drive (took out the original hard drive) and found that I got passed the access bios screen, and the windows icon is there for a second and then my monitors go to sleep mode indicating that my computer is either asleep or not working. Should I try using the software again? Should I use a different software? Let me know please

stone furnace
#

try going into BIOS and manually setting the boot drive

slow apex
#

I've tried that as well... same issue

#

I think ima try the migration tool later today and if that doesnt work than we'll see

west creek
#

I have a bit extra money so should I get 1tb ssd with a 2tb hdd instead of 500gb ssd with a 2tb hdd

rugged socket
#

you’ll appreciate the extra space for other stuff too

west creek
#

Ok

untold grove
#

yeah get the 1tb ssd

#

depends on the drive tho

blazing tangle
#

Hello everyone! I am trying to set up an in home "cloud" if you will. I just want a shared drive for my wife and I to be able to drag and drop pictures onto from our laptops or iphones to be able to free up space.

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Ideally it would be 8TB total with 4TB to drop into and then the other 4TB would be a second hard drive to mirror the first in case it fails. I have heard a lot of bad things about the WD MyCloud.

dusk turtle
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@untold grove

untold grove
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cheap option is synology 2 bay nas

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they have the best software

blazing tangle
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@untold grove Okay, so once I buy that two bay nas, then what do I do? I have to purchase two matching hard drives from WD/Seagate/etc?

untold grove
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yep

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from wd

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and if you plan on storing more than just photos id get a bigger nas

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whats the budget for this?

blazing tangle
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$300-400?

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@untold grove Okay, so I buy the Synology 2 bay, I buy two WD Red 4TB drives, I put the drives inside the Synology. Then what happens?

untold grove
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then it autoconfigures

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and will walk you thru setup

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then its smooth sailing

blazing tangle
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@untold grove Okay, so the Synology will do everything and explain what I need to do?

untold grove
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anything their documentation doesnt explain youll find easily on youtube yes

blazing tangle
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@untold grove And the WD red drives is the way to go?

untold grove
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yes but be very careful

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i never buy below 8tb personally

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bad value under that

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8tb is like 140 per drive

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and theres a chance youll get smr drives if you arent careful with the wd reds

obsidian steeple
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would the toshiba x300 work for this? or no

untold grove
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i mean yes and no

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youd want nas drives

blazing tangle
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@untold grove Okay sure, I will upgrade to 8TB each then. What are smr drives? Last question, I have a Netgear Nighthawk Mesh wifi system in my home. Every satellite has an ethernet input. Can I use one of the satellites for this?

untold grove
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and smr = really bad for nas

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to put it in very simple terms hehe

blazing tangle
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@untold grove How do I avoid this "smr" you speak of? lol

untold grove
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when u buy drives, itll show the model numer

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number

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if you get drives from where i tell you to

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youre fine

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its under 8tb where u have to worry on wd drives

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anything 8tb or above is perfection

blazing tangle
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Okay so this is the synology?

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@untold grove

untold grove
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yeah thatll be alright

blazing tangle
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@untold grove You would rather the $400 one I am guessing? Its so much money just for that with no drives 😦

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@untold grove And then where do I get the drives?

untold grove
blazing tangle
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@untold grove Those are external hard drives? Do I buy external or internal?

untold grove
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external and then take out the drives

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and use them internally

blazing tangle
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@untold grove Oh lord, what kind of drives are in there?