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minor sun Sep 18, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Fastest, no.

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There are PCIe SSDs that take moar lanes for faster speeds

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have you seen the honeybadger?

winter remnant Sep 18, 2020, 7:07 PM

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No I haven’t

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Are they more expensive

minor sun Sep 18, 2020, 7:07 PM

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https://www.liqid.com/products/composable-storage/element-lqd4500-pcie-aic-ssd

LQD4500 PCIe AIC SSD FHFL Honeybadger | Liqid, Inc

The Liqid Element LQD4500 FHFL PCIe AIC SSD Honeybadger features high storage capacity and extreme performance for demanding workloads.

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a ton

winter remnant Sep 18, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Okay I won’t be getting that then

minor sun Sep 18, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Oh then you don't want the fastest if you just want a fast SSD

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You likely won't even benefit from PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives

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Grab something like a Team MP34

winter remnant Sep 18, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Okay thanks

sand onyx Sep 18, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Looks cool

mighty totem Sep 18, 2020, 9:24 PM

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YO I need help! I just a little bit ago got a notification on my pc that one of my drives had an error. It prompted me to scan and repair so I did. The drive is my main data storage drive atm and is basically full with only 30gb available. I have been sitting her on the "scanning and repairing" with a loading bar for the past 30+ mins. Should I be worried? Or would a scan usually take this long for 2tb of data?

upper quiver Sep 18, 2020, 10:05 PM

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📎 IMG_20200918_180518.jpg

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got ma 3tb drives

azure edge Sep 19, 2020, 6:09 PM

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nice

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@mighty totem a hard drive should take a good amount of time to read that much data

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if you cool it, it shouldn't take as long

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but a couple of hours

analog goblet Sep 19, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Ok so I got my new hard drive working and its connected to sata 2 and I'm in bios and its saying hotplug disabled, but on my boot drive it doesnt say disabled and I booted my pc up it doesnt find the hard drive how do I fix this?

jovial cypress Sep 19, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Which one should i buy
-Western Digital 500GB WD Blue SN550 NVMe Internal SSD
-XPG SX8200 Pro 512GB 3D NAND NVMe Gen3x4 PCIe M.2 2280 Solid State Drive
-XPG S40G 512GB RGB 3D NAND PCIe Gen3x4 NVMe 1.3 M.2 2280 Internal SSD
-XPG GAMMIX 512GB S11 Pro 3D NAND PCIe NVMe Gen3x4 M.2 2280 SSD

red jay Sep 20, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Does anyone know a good place to find stand off screws for MSI MOBO's?

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Specifically looking for either a MSI Pro Max and/or a B450 Tomahawk

heady raven Sep 20, 2020, 5:40 AM

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@red jay when you say standoff screws, what exactly do you mean?

minor sun Sep 20, 2020, 5:41 AM

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(m.2?)

red jay Sep 20, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Yes M.2

heady raven Sep 20, 2020, 5:41 AM

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that is just a normal screw, so any local it shop

red jay Sep 20, 2020, 5:42 AM

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📎 IMG_20200920_000244.jpg

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Would these work?

heady raven Sep 20, 2020, 5:42 AM

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try

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dpends on the tread.

red jay Sep 20, 2020, 5:42 AM

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I did and no dice as far as I am aware.

heady raven Sep 20, 2020, 5:42 AM

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you try it on one of the ones you wont be using.

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 1:06 AM

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What needs to be stored on an SSD along with your os?

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anything you use lot

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and you want open fast

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like games

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I see

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and content creation apps

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What are the essentials for someone who plans on recording and editing videos to be stored on ssd?

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Apart from games

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Frequently accessed programs

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 1:08 AM

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I see

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Like your recording and editing software?

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 1:09 AM

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That is preferred.

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By the way, people who do more professional editing work like to have a separate scratch disk to edit off of.

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 1:09 AM

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I see

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Thanks for the help 💯 @minor sun

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 1:10 AM

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You're welcome

sand onyx Sep 21, 2020, 2:15 AM

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All I'm saying is all I ever needed was a 1TB M.2.

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 7:41 AM

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thoughts on crucial p1

short lodge Sep 21, 2020, 2:53 PM

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good budget NVMe

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er... mid-range rather

upper quiver Sep 21, 2020, 3:00 PM

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definetly budget

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i think the cost to get something slightly more expensive is usually worth it

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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It's for if you really need that extra 10$

short lodge Sep 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Well, budget as an NVMe, mid range for SSDs as a whole

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Look at 500gb

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53$ vulcan, 60$ P1, 62$ MP34

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you can get a good amount better NVMe SSD for 2$

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hell, at 1tb,
100$ Vulcan, 105$ P1, 110$ MP34

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5$ more

upper quiver Sep 21, 2020, 3:51 PM

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yeah, sometimes P1 and P2 go on sale tho, so thats when theyre most worth buying

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 7:09 PM

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any suggestions on a good 1tb ssd for a gaming laptop?

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i was thinking of buying this one -- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NNRTTCM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AHG2MI785YUY7&psc=1

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 7:15 PM

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no

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@red jay what model laptop

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 7:15 PM

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@red jay what model laptop
@minor sun laptop model is Asus Tuf FX505DU

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 7:35 PM

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back

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I'll look it up

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 7:36 PM

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okay, thanks!

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 7:40 PM

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I'm not liking the asus manual...

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 7:40 PM

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how come?

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Not listing any of the comps or specifications or anything, just generic setup and windows stuff...

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What storage config do you already have?

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 7:43 PM

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yeah, I went through A LOT to figure that stuff out. I bought a 500gb m.2 ssd because I thought it had the 2.5" ssd but once I opened it up, it already had one so I had to return it... rn the laptop has a 256gb m.2 ssd, I was looking for a 2.5" ssd

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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My problem is, the manual and spec page mention SATA once, and 2.5" 0 times

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so if the laptop uses some extra thin drive, we won't know

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 7:46 PM

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well, from what I saw on a video, the guy used a crucial bx500

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Let's assume any 2.5in drive works

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My first choice for 1tb :
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-t-force-vulcan-1tb/p/N82E16820331322

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 7:47 PM

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the manuals in the box never mentioned a thing either

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My first choice for 1tb :
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-t-force-vulcan-1tb/p/N82E16820331322
@minor sun thanks! i'm gonna do a little more research one the exact size and specs before I buy it

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thanks again'

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 7:50 PM

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You're welcome

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For an ssd, main thing to look for is dram

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easiest way to do that is cross reference the ssd master sheet

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Which is a pinned message in this channel

spring elk Sep 21, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Hi new to the channel. Trying to get some help with SSD conversion. I have two m.2 nvme m-key ssds and need to get a adapter to have them pcie or stat or usb. Does anyone know of one?

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 7:53 PM

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PCIe x4 slot I assume?

spring elk Sep 21, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Yes gen3

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 7:54 PM

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one sec there should be a good few of those

spring elk Sep 21, 2020, 7:55 PM

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I’ve seen a few that are duel but one is for m key and one is b but not for two m keys

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But I was probably searching wrong as well.

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 7:58 PM

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hmm

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I'm guessing the reasoning is that it's more expensive to have hardware that splits the lanes, and that's why there's like no dual m key pcie cards

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I'd definitely do PCIe so you can take advantage of the full speed of both drives tho, @spring elk how many x4 slots do you have free? you could get 2 different x4 cards maybe

heady raven Sep 21, 2020, 8:00 PM

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he only needs 1 pci-e gen4 x4 to cover it

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depending on platform that is

spring elk Sep 21, 2020, 8:01 PM

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I have three x16 expansion slots and two unused if I remember correctly.

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Naed, it's just I can't find single cards that offer dual M key

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for some reason they're all 1xM key+1xB key

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found one @spring elk finally
https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-AOC-SLG3-2M2-PCIe-Add-Card/dp/B071S3ZY8P

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tho it's a x8..?

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whatever

spring elk Sep 21, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Should work. I have one x16 used, 2 x4 and two x8 unused.

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Fair nuff

heady raven Sep 21, 2020, 8:07 PM

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/EZDIY-FAB-M-2-PCIE-Adapter-Supports/dp/B086X732V6/

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 8:07 PM

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amazon uk tho, but yea they're pretty rare sadly

spring elk Sep 21, 2020, 8:07 PM

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The motherboard will power the pcie slot correct?

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Yes, mobo will provide power through pcie slot.

heady raven Sep 21, 2020, 8:07 PM

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its not that they are rare as such @minor sun its that the naming is inconsistent as all hell

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 8:08 PM

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that is also true

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what do you even call it

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pcie add in card?

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m.2 expansion card?

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m.2 to pcie x4 card?

heady raven Sep 21, 2020, 8:08 PM

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@spring elk pci-e 16 physical slots can supply 75watts

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 8:08 PM

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and the average ssd would pull like 5w

heady raven Sep 21, 2020, 8:09 PM

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pci-e m2 dual m-key <- seems to be the logical thing to call it

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but ... yeah

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 8:09 PM

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yea sad

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hey at least I found one on my end, and you did one on your end :D

heady raven Sep 21, 2020, 8:10 PM

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aye aye :)

spring elk Sep 21, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Sounds good. Thanks for the info! It’s appreciated.

heady raven Sep 21, 2020, 8:16 PM

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best of luck with the project @spring elk :)

lunar junco Sep 21, 2020, 8:17 PM

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hey guys im having difficulty getting my nvme drive to show up

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it said it uses a pcie slot

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so i put it in the top 16x slot

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why wont it work?

red jay Sep 21, 2020, 8:22 PM

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@minor sun i chatted with an Asus representative and he told me that my model supports 2.5" SATA 1T 5400rpm HDD, SATA II/ SATAIII, that fits the description of the one you sent me, right?

minor sun Sep 21, 2020, 9:05 PM

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That's not a HDD, but if they didn't mention that there was a height limitation, it's fine.

sharp sun Sep 21, 2020, 11:36 PM

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what is the difference between the inland professional m.2 and the crucial p1

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the difference in speed doesnt seem like much

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but i just want too know

latent cedar Sep 22, 2020, 6:28 AM

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is the intel 1tb 660p ssd good?

open gazelle Sep 22, 2020, 6:46 AM

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@sharp sun not much. P1 has a meh controller, QLC NAND type, and iirc low DRAM cache. Professional has a meh controller, QLC NAND type, and idk how well DRAM cache is setup on it other then I know it exists. All in all, both are meh. Generally best to get an MP34 for slightly more or something of sorts. Barely more money for a much better controller and great cache setup. Usually best price to perf NVMe

@latent cedar More like "meh" then "good". Mostly due to same reasons of P1 seen above - meh controller and QLC NAND type. Same recommendation - go MP34

sharp sun Sep 22, 2020, 6:53 AM

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thanks for the info Hei

open gazelle Sep 22, 2020, 6:59 AM

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your welcome

latent cedar Sep 22, 2020, 7:40 AM

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Oh cool. I just thought it was good cause nvme and stuff and 1tb is $95

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What would you recommend for a 1tb nvme ssd

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Or just a good 1tb ssd for relatively cheap

open gazelle Sep 22, 2020, 7:44 AM

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I'd spend the extra $15 for this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zR3H99/adata-sx8200-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-asx8200pnp-1tt-c

ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive

latent cedar Sep 22, 2020, 7:47 AM

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What’s the difference between them?

open gazelle Sep 22, 2020, 7:50 AM

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It has a better controller, better NAND type, and more DRAM cache. This'll vastly change performance all across the board: seq r/w, random r/w, sustained r/w

latent cedar Sep 22, 2020, 7:52 AM

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Oh ok. It’s cause I never heard of Adata so I thought a well known brand would be the safest bet

open gazelle Sep 22, 2020, 7:59 AM

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Adata is kinda outthere in the techworld. Not as known as Intel or anything, but still decently known

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tho I def highly recommend trying to look at it as modelbrand whenever you can, even if you are looking into brands you never heard of

carmine musk Sep 22, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Would you guys recommend buying the sabrent rocket 1tb nvme 4.0? It has a $40 on amazon rn

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$40 discount*

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 11:57 AM

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No

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4.0 relevant to very little people

unborn frigate Sep 22, 2020, 3:04 PM

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CAn someone help with replacement options SD6SP1M-256G-1002
SD6SP1M-256G-1102

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 3:11 PM

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@unborn frigate on a Asus zenbook UX31LA?

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Or where else?

noble atlas Sep 22, 2020, 7:11 PM

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If you have a PCIe 4 MB then that gen 4 sabrent is a good deal

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but you probably won't notice a difference between gen3 and gen4 in most usage

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 8:24 PM

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@noble atlas so gen 4 is a bad deal :p

wicked badge Sep 22, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Hey whats a good cheep SSD I could get? Just looking for something for my OS and maybe getting all SSD storage in the future. Note* cant be anything thats not sata. So like no m.2s or anything fancy

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 8:47 PM

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@wicked badge you want 500gb I assume?

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Team Vulcan 500gb if so, 50$ flat last I checked

wicked badge Sep 22, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Dang alright

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Got a link?

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 8:47 PM

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one sec

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https://www.newegg.com/team-group-t-force-vulcan-500gb/p/N82E16820331321

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Amazon has it at same price if you have prime.

wicked badge Sep 22, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Alright cool thank you!

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Question, does RAID 0 cause HDDs to die faster? Or is all that talk about it being more risky just for if one of the drives ever fails then all data is lost on it? I was thinking of running two of my HDDs in RAID 0.

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 9:37 PM

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its a risk question

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also, keep in mind, its not a question of IF

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its WHEN will a given hdd die

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hdd's are a consumable in that regard

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yes, its a longer time scale

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but still a consumable

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 9:40 PM

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I know HDDs will eventually die but it usually takes a long time for that to happen I just want to know if running them in RAID 0 will shorten the lifespan of them more.

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Hey I am running into issues with my father's PC where the Hard Drives are going bad. With the amount of crashing, slow reboots it has to be the drives. Any recommendations for HDD's that are not Seagate?

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 9:45 PM

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@red jay technically no. However, you have double the failure points

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Okay thanks

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 9:46 PM

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@red jay buy a ssd for the lad

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I am

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1TB Samsung I'll be getting this coming paycheck, but I want him to have something for mass Storage.

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 9:47 PM

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any disk really

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does not really matter

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his current ones are old correct?

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 9:49 PM

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His Seagate is about give or take 6-8 months, his 1TB is much older maybe 5-6 years.

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So you say any Disk

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I hear WD has pretty nice ones.

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 9:55 PM

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when you say "harddrives going bad" what exactly do you mean

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because less than 3 years of use should really not be a problem at all on any modern drive

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Blue Screen of Death and typically it's a error message of a storage crash.

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His OS is on the Seagate 2TB

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 9:59 PM

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@red jay https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/

Crystal Dew World [en]

CrystalDiskInfo

About CrystalDiskInfo A HDD/SSD utility software which supports a part of USB, Intel/AMD RAID and NVMe. Standard Edition Shizuku Edition Kurei Kei Edition Download System Requirements OS Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10Windows Server 2003/2008/2012/2016/2019 Architecture x86/x64/AR...

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run and see what it says about his hdd

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because IF it is completely bonkers, warranty is a thing.

naive nymph Sep 22, 2020, 9:59 PM

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what about 6gb hdd

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 9:59 PM

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@naive nymph what about it?

untold linden Sep 22, 2020, 9:59 PM

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red jay Sep 22, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Oh yeah and now it sometimes just constantly reboots.

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Gets to after the MOBO Logo and crashes and repeats. After a while it gets to the login desktop screen.

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 10:03 PM

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that imo, does NOT sound like a storage issue

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i would strongly suggest you have a look at the PSU and/or the RAM

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Hm I wonder when the last time I flashed his BIOS

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 10:04 PM

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no no

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do not go that path

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Naed, just curious, what's with the PSU suggestion? I can see say ram re-whateveritscalled, but PSU doesn't make sense for reboot

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 10:05 PM

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power stability

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drives spin up on start

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full spin = most power use

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its the reason why raid controllers of old had jumpers for staggered spinup

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 10:06 PM

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hmm Naed what's it called again when ram recalculates itself on startup

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reinitializing?

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 10:06 PM

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(staggered spinup is done in software now)

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aye, or mapping

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 10:06 PM

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hmm

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 10:06 PM

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call it whatever you want

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 10:07 PM

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like when you slap in new sticks

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thought there was another term

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and I just can't think of it

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 10:07 PM

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shrugs

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 10:08 PM

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So RAM or PSU?

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 10:08 PM

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check both

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 10:08 PM

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I did want to upgrade his RAM...

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Is there a tool to check or what am I looking for?

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 10:09 PM

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memtest86

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 10:09 PM

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and there is the no tool for psu

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just logic

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Memtest?

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 10:12 PM

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For ram

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Is it a program or command I need to run?

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 10:14 PM

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program you run from a usb stick

minor sun Sep 22, 2020, 10:14 PM

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ya

heady raven Sep 22, 2020, 10:14 PM

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https://www.memtest86.com/

MemTest86 - Official Site of the x86 Memory Testing Tool

MemTest86 is the original self booting memory testing software for x86 computers. Supporting both BIOS and UEFI, with options to boot from USB.

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and NO, you do not need the PRO version

red jay Sep 22, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Thanks I'll take that.

short lodge Sep 22, 2020, 10:57 PM

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this is slow for a 7200 RPM right

📎 seagate7200laptopbench.PNG

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its gotta be

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its pretty old but like, not that old

round echo Sep 22, 2020, 11:00 PM

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that's pretty much what mine are but a little worse

short lodge Sep 22, 2020, 11:02 PM

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blushed

sand onyx Sep 23, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Should be around 100+ MBps

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100-160ish

tacit cedar Sep 23, 2020, 3:12 AM

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wait for samsung 980 pro or buy firecudea 520 nvme?

round echo Sep 23, 2020, 3:13 AM

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do you need 4.0 drives

empty crystal Sep 23, 2020, 1:31 PM

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No

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Unless u have the money

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For them

red jay Sep 23, 2020, 3:30 PM

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I ran that test on my father's computer. Results:

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RAM appears fine.

📎 IMG_20200923_112427.jpg

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📎 IMG_20200923_110702.jpg 📎 IMG_20200923_110612.jpg 📎 IMG_20200923_110445.jpg

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HDD's are giving Caution. The 2TB OS and an External HDD

minor sun Sep 23, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Health doesn't look so good

red jay Sep 23, 2020, 3:33 PM

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For the HDD's right?

minor sun Sep 23, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Ye

red jay Sep 23, 2020, 3:35 PM

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So I'll be replacing those.

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I'm not gonna bother with the Warranty. Seagate has given nothing but problems.

brisk kite Sep 23, 2020, 5:30 PM

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I have a question for anyone

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My disk is displaying 100% usage, or fluxuates between 100 and 60 percent.

dire marlin Sep 23, 2020, 5:31 PM

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downloading anything?

brisk kite Sep 23, 2020, 5:31 PM

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I've been trying to fix it all day and i've gotten some percentage reduction, but it always keeps shooting back up

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nothing according to task manager

dire marlin Sep 23, 2020, 5:31 PM

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hmm

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have u tried restarting yet

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computer

brisk kite Sep 23, 2020, 5:31 PM

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and i have good hardware too so idk

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yeah like 4 times

dire marlin Sep 23, 2020, 5:31 PM

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dang

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then there has to be like something in the background downloading

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im just guessing

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any steam updates?

brisk kite Sep 23, 2020, 5:32 PM

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thats what im thinking but when i go thru task manager it just says heavy usage but no actual correlation

dire marlin Sep 23, 2020, 5:32 PM

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hmm

brisk kite Sep 23, 2020, 5:32 PM

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i just saw that a windows update is downloading so that could be it]

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but 100% of the disk just for a windows update is a bit wild...

dire marlin Sep 23, 2020, 5:33 PM

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oh yea that could be it

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but

minor sun Sep 23, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Windows update makes sense

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Leave it alone till windows is done and check again

dire marlin Sep 23, 2020, 5:34 PM

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^

brisk kite Sep 23, 2020, 5:34 PM

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alright, its also been stuck at like the beginning of the download for quite a bit. ill let it do its thing

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thanks yall

dire marlin Sep 23, 2020, 5:35 PM

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yep np

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@minor sun did most of the work tho

minor sun Sep 23, 2020, 5:35 PM

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No u

red jay Sep 23, 2020, 5:45 PM

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My disk is displaying 100% usage, or fluxuates between 100 and 60 percent.
@brisk kite My Disk use to always do that on startup. I found it was do to my OS and my Antivirus kicking on, but would level itself out after a while.

brisk kite Sep 23, 2020, 5:46 PM

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yea i did some more digging and i saw that the high usage is being caused by Modern Setup Host, which tends to do that to ur disk use during an update

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@red jay

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for now im just waiting for the update to finish bc my computer is running so slow

covert wave Sep 23, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Hi, I have a MSI PS63 (RDS) and I want to add a 2ND m.2 disk. I ordered an NMVe drive and of course is not compatible. From what I understand, has to be SATA... I wonder - is the m.2 WD SATA(1TB) blue drive OK (looks like it is M+B, don't know if that's compatible)... Anyone can confirm (or infirm)?

rugged socket Sep 24, 2020, 12:25 AM

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is a 970 evo worth the extra 63 bucks over a p1?

latent cedar Sep 24, 2020, 12:45 AM

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https://slickdeals.net/?sdtrk=iphone&apikey=d459bdad134403e922b746d9a01d143ea496b924&api_key_id=57615536&sdpid=140565587&sdtid=14361230&sdfid=9&sdfib=1&lno=1&trd=https smile amazon co wbr m XPG &pv=&au=&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fsmile.amazon.com%2FXPG-SX8800-Gen3x4-Performance-ASX8800PNP-1TT-C%2Fdp%2FB07WF9MP9G%2F

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Is that a good ssd?

minor sun Sep 24, 2020, 12:46 AM

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it's meh

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not great controller, has dram tho

latent cedar Sep 24, 2020, 12:47 AM

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What ab that one

minor sun Sep 24, 2020, 12:48 AM

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worse

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SX8800 is good relatively

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just not optimal

latent cedar Sep 24, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Oh ok

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What’s a good 1tb then

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Cause another person recommended that one

minor sun Sep 24, 2020, 12:51 AM

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SX8800 is good

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I'm just being nitpicky

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MP34 is better for 5$ more tho

latent cedar Sep 24, 2020, 12:59 AM

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I just wanna know a good 1tb ssd lmao

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What ab the Intel 660p

minor sun Sep 24, 2020, 1:08 AM

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MP34 1tb is my default go-to

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Phison E12 + Dram = good time

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but dram with good speeds on the sx8800 with a slightly subpar controller is fine

latent cedar Sep 24, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Ok sounds good thanks

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Is there a video or website where I can see how different controllers and stuff in memory work

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So I can learn what’s good or not

minor sun Sep 24, 2020, 1:21 AM

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simple for PCIe 3.0 drives is just Phison E12>SMI SM2262&co>everything else

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dram = good, no dram = bad

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0

Google Docs

SSDs

Master List

Brand,Model,Interface,Form Factor,Capacities,Controller,Configuration,DRAM,HMB,NAND Brand,NAND Type,2D/3D NAND,Layers,R/W (Up to, in MB/s),Categories,Notes (*),Product Page,Product Page 2,Amazon Affiliate Link,Amazon Price (Coming Soon)
ADATA,Falcon,x4 PCIe 3.0/NV...

latent cedar Sep 24, 2020, 1:30 AM

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Pcie 4.0 doesn’t matter that much rn right?

minor sun Sep 24, 2020, 1:30 AM

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no

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it doesn;t

latent cedar Sep 24, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Alright

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Thx

rich bridge Sep 24, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Looking sketchy but I'm not seeing anything terrible about it

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Advertised as brand new, and it is Sata 2 which is fine imo

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5 out of the 6 reviews

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WAIT I FOUND A REAL REPUTABLE BRAND-

that was bought by Western Digital in 2012

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These 4tb drives on ebay are fishy, but everything seems to look fine

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3 year full warranty, has a TON of positive ebay seller (for them selling) ratings

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Might use it as a backup drive and keep it set away and unused lol

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Or make a nas

upper quiver Sep 24, 2020, 4:36 AM

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yeah dude, HGST/Hitatchi are literally the best

rugged socket Sep 24, 2020, 11:22 AM

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what exactly is a cache?

upper quiver Sep 24, 2020, 1:09 PM

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its exactly what it souds like

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caches frequently used data/acts as a disk access buffer, just like SLC caching on modern SSDs

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well, its more like the dram cache on an ssd

short lodge Sep 24, 2020, 2:41 PM

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@rich bridge I bought one of those WL HDDs before. A 500gb version. Been in use for about a year and still going strong

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maybe closer to 10 months idk

rich bridge Sep 24, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Dang, so it's not a bad buy?

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Why do we even bother with SeaGate

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Gonna buy 2 or 3 of them the paycheck after 3070 release- hoping I can snag one of those

short lodge Sep 24, 2020, 3:08 PM

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idk really how good it is, all i know is it works and has lasted this long

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i believe they have like a 1 yr warranty too, which is short for an HDD...

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Would you guys recommend:

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https://www.amazon.com/WD-Blue-2TB-Hard-Drive/dp/B07JC1TQ7N/ref=psdc_1254762011_t2_B00FJRS628

Amazon.com: Western Digital 2TB WD Blue PC Hard Drive - 5400 RPM Cl...

Buy Western Digital 2TB WD Blue PC Hard Drive - 5400 RPM Class, SATA 6 Gb/s, 256 MB Cache, 3.5" - WD20EZAZ: Internal Hard Drives - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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This HDD?

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:40 PM

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no

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not when ST2000DM008 is the price it is

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I am not getting another Barracuda. 😅

minor sun Sep 24, 2020, 5:43 PM

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:)

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:43 PM

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As I said previously that the current Barracuda my dad has been causing nothing, but problems.

minor sun Sep 24, 2020, 5:43 PM

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That's one of the SMR drives

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:P

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If you have something really against Seagate, that's okay, you can find other good drives, just not really at the same good price.

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:44 PM

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@red jay and as has been said about that trouble. Get some actual info.

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Can you rewrite that because it does not make sense, Naed.

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:47 PM

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We talked about crystal disk info yesterday (or day before)

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Ah the Disk Checker Program?

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:47 PM

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yes

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and the memtest86

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Yeah I ran it and it came back with caution.

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Did you not see it above>

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:48 PM

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figure out what is actually wrong before you decide what the solution HAS to be

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Did you not see what I posted above?

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Yesterday.

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:48 PM

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@red jay did you put my name on it?

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Why would I?

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:49 PM

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if not, then there is about 0% chance i saw it

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:49 PM

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That is on you

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Not me.

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:49 PM

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if you want help, i cannot read your mind

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:49 PM

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....

minor sun Sep 24, 2020, 5:49 PM

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just send it again, and @ naed

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:51 PM

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(There is more)

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@heady raven

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Do you see it?

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:54 PM

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why is the interface listed as USB?

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Because the RAM one requires a USB to function?

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:55 PM

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<- that one

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red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:55 PM

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OH

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That is an External

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The C: is the 2TB Barracuda.

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:56 PM

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and how old are these drives?

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 5:58 PM

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The External (H:) my dad had for at least 4-5 years. The 2TB Barracuda less then a year.

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 5:59 PM

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the external = numbers are understandable on that. so i will ignore that

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the numbers on the internal one however is a bit weird. But not anything i would worry about wildly

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so, i would say that your problem is not the drives

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did you run the memtest?

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 6:00 PM

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You are saying then it is the PSU, because the RAM Checks out fine.

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Yes. That would be the first picture.

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 6:01 PM

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that is NOT how memtest86 looks when it is running :)

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i think you have misunderstood what memtest86 is

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Then how does it work?

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 6:03 PM

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you boot from the usb stick, and then run it

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that is close to how i remember it looking

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Fair. Let me get the numbers for you.

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I'll be back in a bit.

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@heady raven something like this?

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heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 6:21 PM

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yes

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let it run

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 6:37 PM

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If it is the RAM I will likely still get him the SSD

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Because SSD is love.

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I didn't understand the true power until now. Being able to boot/reboot in less then 30 seconds and loading into games so much faster.

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 11:23 PM

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@heady raven I am at 23 errors.

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Still going.

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 11:29 PM

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by chance, do you have extra memory you could try in his machine?

red jay Sep 24, 2020, 11:31 PM

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I do not

minor sun Sep 24, 2020, 11:34 PM

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@heady raven by the way, how do errors in memtest scale? Like is it 1 error = faulty ram/unstable oc, or is it like >10 error = bad ram, <10 error = somewhat usual

heady raven Sep 24, 2020, 11:35 PM

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depends on where the errors are from

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@red jay can you snap a picture of the current screen?

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Sure, one sec.

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@heady raven

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📎 IMG_20200924_200900.jpg

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 12:21 AM

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okay

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its working and doing its thing

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@red jay when you booted from the USB, you just let it do its thing right?

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you didnt touch anything?

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Nope

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Just let it sit and do it thing

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Well I mean glaring at it every now and again

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 12:27 AM

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aye aye

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for now, its safe to say, ram = bad

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but i would ofc be interested in its summary to be 100% certain

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Is it like a text document or somehting I can send you?

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 12:27 AM

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but the Test#8 results are NOT good

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aye, it will generate a file at the end

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 12:28 AM

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It will put it on the USB won't it?

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 12:28 AM

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aye

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your harddrives are invisible to it

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 12:29 AM

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After it's done I will need to reboot from the HDD again and F11 spam

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 12:29 AM

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its the reason "why" you are using a usb stick for it

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why?

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Because I had to boot from the USB to initiate the test?

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thinkBroken

minor sun Sep 25, 2020, 12:29 AM

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but why did you have to boot from USB :)

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Because that is what Nead and a video I watched said?

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They said to boot

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Lets just clarify something here :)

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"After it's done I will need to reboot from the HDD again and F11 spam" <- this is what you said right?

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 12:30 AM

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That is true

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It is right there

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 12:31 AM

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we are asking WHY would you need to do THAT after the test is done

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Because it won't boot from my Hard Drive unless I tell it to if I do not it may just restart the test

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F11 for the Boot Menu

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 12:32 AM

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when the test is done

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power down your system

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pull the usb stick out

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power on the system

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wait for it to load the OS

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plug in the usb again

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Now I don't want to.

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pouts

craggy pollen Sep 25, 2020, 12:52 AM

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naed can you downlaod windows to a external hard drive and not a usb?

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 12:54 AM

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depends on the external

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but generally it will work

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it is however generally not something you do, because external hard drives are normally used for storage

kindred shadow Sep 25, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Hi. I am looking for some guidance in purchasing an external storage system. This is all new to me! I am a new business owner and I have thousands and thousands of Word, Excel and PDF's to store. A friend recommended raided external storage and making sure I used one drive for back up. I see the QNAP TR-004 with the 4TB Seagate Ironwolf drives get good reviews. I guess I would set it up as Raid 10. Would this be the system I want? Or is there something better suited to storing thousands of documents and backing up? I also have documents on an SSD external drive that I keep in a fire proof safe as my back up.

minor sun Sep 25, 2020, 1:06 AM

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@heady raven what's that file server website thingy again? serve the home or something?

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 1:14 AM

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aye STH

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serve the home :)

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 1:19 AM

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The Errors shot up to 35

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Feels good man

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 4:42 AM

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@heady raven I have the file I am pretty sure

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If you want to look at it

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Ping me and lmk

heady raven Sep 25, 2020, 8:15 AM

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@red jay just send it in a pm to me

red jay Sep 25, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I sent them @heady raven, sorry for the wait.

grave jasper Sep 25, 2020, 4:41 PM

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i just bought an ssd and was wondering the best way to make it into my boot drive with windows on it without cloning my hdd

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can i just deactivate windows on the hdd and reactivate it on the ssd

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?

dire marlin Sep 25, 2020, 6:27 PM

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im not sure, but try to move the windows folder in ur hdd to ur sdd

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTiPVR6szCA @grave jasper

YouTube

Gmodism Total Nerdery Channel

How to Move Windows 10 from HDD to SSD - Quick Tutorial 2020

In this video I show you how to move your windows installation from one drive to another, in this case, from a HDD to SSD. This will let you upgrade your hard drive to a solid state drive without having to reinstall Windows 10. Basically do a complete drive swap without any ch...

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clear cove Sep 25, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Noob question here: Is there a way to tell which slot my motherboard has for a new SSD without dismantling?

sweet badge Sep 25, 2020, 8:15 PM

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yeah look at the specs

viral bolt Sep 25, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Is the Adata xpg sx8200 pro a reasonable drive for installing a DAW and storing audio edits (wav files)?

clear cove Sep 25, 2020, 8:25 PM

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@sweet badge So, it's an older HP laptop and the listed specs aren't super clear. I'm mostly looking to see if I have an M.2 slot or if I need to just use the existing SATA

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Essentially, I'm asking if there's any 3rd party software that will analyze. Similar to CPU-Z

ember horizon Sep 26, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Hay all

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newbie question. I just bought a LSI 9300 4i is this raid compatible on not

lament flame Sep 26, 2020, 7:59 AM

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how do I transfer all the files and windows to my new ssd?

heady raven Sep 26, 2020, 9:18 AM

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@lament flame by doing a clone of the drive

lament flame Sep 26, 2020, 9:35 AM

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whats a good software for that?

heady raven Sep 26, 2020, 9:38 AM

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macrium reflect works fine for that, let me just grab a link for you @lament flame

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https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Macrium Reflect Free

reflect an image of your pc

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scroll down, find the blue "Home Use" button, and grab that

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install it on your windows machine

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and make a Rescue media disk

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this is the process that requires a usb stick

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does that answer it for you @lament flame ?

lament flame Sep 26, 2020, 9:43 AM

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thank you

heady raven Sep 26, 2020, 9:47 AM

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you are very welcome

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i am going to warn you thou. IF you are in doubt about what you are doing in the cloning process DO NOT just click on things randomly @lament flame

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because you can eff things up in a bad way

red jay Sep 26, 2020, 12:57 PM

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How do I completely wipe my ssd

heady raven Sep 26, 2020, 12:59 PM

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why would you want to @red jay ?

night torrent Sep 27, 2020, 7:01 PM

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guys im having major hard drive issue. i have a seagate 2tb hdd amd l;ike 1.6 tb left on it. i can install games on steam no problem but i cant install anything from xbox game pass. i try to switch my "install new apps" through windows settings to the hdd and it just pops up an error of why it cant. any clue what i can do?

heady raven Sep 27, 2020, 7:05 PM

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@night torrent

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that is in the app itself

night torrent Sep 27, 2020, 7:23 PM

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hold on ill get the error its giving me when i change it

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when i click on the link to change it in windows settings i get another error

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heady raven Sep 27, 2020, 7:27 PM

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that is not an error

night torrent Sep 27, 2020, 7:28 PM

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heady raven Sep 27, 2020, 7:28 PM

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its a notice for you to avoid having a mess

night torrent Sep 27, 2020, 7:28 PM

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heady raven Sep 27, 2020, 7:28 PM

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did you move that harddrive from some other machine?

night torrent Sep 27, 2020, 7:29 PM

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no it's only been in this one. brand new from the box

heady raven Sep 27, 2020, 7:30 PM

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it should be okay to just say yes

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wait a sec, is that a external drive?

night torrent Sep 27, 2020, 7:30 PM

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no internal

heady raven Sep 27, 2020, 7:30 PM

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hm

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your machine is updated?

night torrent Sep 27, 2020, 7:31 PM

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like is aid i can install anythign from steam on it so why would it let me install steam games but not xgp ones?

heady raven Sep 27, 2020, 7:31 PM

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because of some setting "somewhere"

night torrent Sep 27, 2020, 7:33 PM

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but windows is saying theres apps on there that need deleting but i cannot find anything on the dirve. i want to just format it and start over but it has an error on that saying i dont have permission to, mind you my account is the only one thats ever been on this sytem and is admin. it was a brand new build from every piece.

heady raven Sep 27, 2020, 7:34 PM

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you got time for jumping on a voice call and sharing your screen @night torrent ?

night torrent Sep 27, 2020, 7:35 PM

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sure

noble atlas Sep 28, 2020, 5:04 PM

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i have heard nothing about xbox game pass other than how user unfriendly it is

fallow crescent Sep 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Really?

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I’ve never had any issues out of it

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It’s quite the opposite for me

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Occasionally the app can be a bit wonky, but it’s still in beta and usually fixes itself for me in minutes

spiral hollow Sep 29, 2020, 2:00 AM

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hey guys, I've recently upgraded my desktop, now I'm trying to upgrade my laptop's ssd

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I've the new 2T sdd partitioned at 600gb-ish, and 1.3tb unallocated

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I've just now booted with the laptop ssd in the desktop.

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the details don't match anything I'm familiar with. it says I: is 13gb raw, and then there's 224gb unallocated on it

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I was hoping to use Robocopy to just Mir the drive, but what the heck??

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 2:03 AM

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oh fun

spiral hollow Sep 29, 2020, 2:04 AM

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yeah I'm googling as much as possible right now

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can't seem to find anything that lines up with what I need

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I haven't tried changing the drive letter yet. I figure since it was a C: and there's already a C: it made no sense to. Not even sure if I can tbh

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and I have 2 "hdds" listing on one row in diskmgmt

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torpid adder Sep 29, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Why so much unallocated peepoSadSip

spiral hollow Sep 29, 2020, 2:08 AM

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cuz I'm getting things up and running rn

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H: will be the laptop's C. Then I was going to use the laptop to format it so there's less confusion

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idk if I want another drive letter floating around lol

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disc 4, I can't format that 750gb for some reason

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bbiab, going to check if the disc still works in the lappy

spiral hollow Sep 29, 2020, 2:51 AM

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so I guess I need to figure out these partition tables for the laptop ssd 😐

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anyone have a suggestion for decent tools to use?

nocturne scroll Sep 29, 2020, 9:13 AM

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found out yesterday that my Samsung 980 is getting ready to be shipped

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Though they wouldn't be sent out until a couple more weeks or so

dreamy kettle Sep 29, 2020, 9:47 AM

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grats

viral bolt Sep 29, 2020, 12:59 PM

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So PCIe 4 is currently only available with Zen 2 processors correct?

somber vortex Sep 29, 2020, 1:06 PM

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i have a computer that started smoking and now it turns on but doesn't show a boot screen. there is data i want to get off of it but i was wondering if i can take the hard drive out and plug it into my pc, or will it break mine?

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 1:30 PM

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@viral bolt for now, yea. Ryzen 3rd gen, TR 3rd gen, and the epyc...yea I won't bother with the naming

viral bolt Sep 29, 2020, 1:55 PM

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I'm curious as to why Intel left it out of the 10 series / z490 stuff. I guess their plan is to jump to PCIe 5? But that's got to be at least a year away since they just released new chips.

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 2:28 PM

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@viral bolt they just don't have support.

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Pcie 5.0 should be a long time away for the consumer market

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My guess is that they just couldn't get gen 4 support in

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 4:24 PM

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hmmm

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@heady raven am I hallucinating or is something really funky going on here

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308 pb read

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405 pb write

fallow crescent Sep 29, 2020, 5:07 PM

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I feel like I haven’t seen Naed on in a bit

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 5:11 PM

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yesterday he was last on

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Naed left for like 2 months before

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but at that time he was completely offline

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He's on DND, so I assume he's just got work.

torpid adder Sep 29, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Naed went on a journey

eager pebble Sep 29, 2020, 5:18 PM

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is the WD Black SN750 good?

upper quiver Sep 29, 2020, 5:18 PM

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yeah

eager pebble Sep 29, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Okay cool. Its on Amazon for $150 which seems like a good deal

heady raven Sep 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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@minor sun aside from the non regular skew of writes vs reads, there is nothing as such wrong with the numbers

eager pebble Sep 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Also CL18 memory? is it any faster or slower? it seems like ram sold out recently, at least for corsair vengeance

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Really??!

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300pb of read

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Damn

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Like my own NVMe SSD is rated for 1.7pb of write, I've done like 200tb of write on it

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But this

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Is kinda crazy

heady raven Sep 29, 2020, 5:24 PM

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However do keep in mind it takes about 195 days for 10pb of writing at 600 megabyte/sec

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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You see the power on time

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You see the 400pb write

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I dunno

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Seems off

heady raven Sep 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Power on hours are generally wrong

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But you can do the math. When was that drive released?

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 5:28 PM

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2016 about

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Damn

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That still seems crazy to me

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Wait a second

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It is crazy

heady raven Sep 29, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Hm if only 2016, then the numbers are wrong

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Yea

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And this is a ssd in a laptop

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But what could be messing up the smart info?

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I'd believe it if it was 400tb written not pb

heady raven Sep 29, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Where is this pic from?

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 5:30 PM

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CDI

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Latest version

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Want me to try different software?

heady raven Sep 29, 2020, 5:30 PM

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I mean, who owns the drive?

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 5:30 PM

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School.

heady raven Sep 29, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Hm, meH, not your problem if it decides to stop working

torpid adder Sep 29, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Dang, school using NVMe drives

lunar junco Sep 29, 2020, 5:31 PM

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w h a t

heady raven Sep 29, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Not nvme

torpid adder Sep 29, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Nvm misred

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Lol I'm just really curious

heady raven Sep 29, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Smart info is a data point in the tool box. So it is just one of multiple that you can use to figure things out in regards to drives @minor sun

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Interesting

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So are you saying there's other places that data is stored that I can find?

heady raven Sep 29, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Will talk more when I get home, going to be a number of hours thou

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 5:35 PM

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That's alright

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Get back to me when you have time

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I'll read it at some point as long as you @ me

unique loom Sep 29, 2020, 8:42 PM

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so i just noticed i only have 217gb free but idk how i have used that much

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is there a place i can check everything

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that i have downloaded

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lol nvm i just freed up 300 by uninstalling like 4 games

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 11:32 PM

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@unique loom next time, try windirstat

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It's a very nice way to tell what's taking space

drowsy elm Sep 29, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Is this a good SSD? https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-sn550-nvme-1tb/p/N82E16820250135?Item=N82E16820250135&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-S2vvW86jmVLU0m5FU.6vtA

eager pebble Sep 29, 2020, 11:58 PM

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doesnt have dram but its good

minor sun Sep 29, 2020, 11:58 PM

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@drowsy elm no

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Dramless means bad lol

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Imo, there is no drive that doesn't have dram/hmb that's good

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@drowsy elm grab a mp34 1tb for 110$. Has dram, faster speeds, better controller.

eager pebble Sep 30, 2020, 12:01 AM

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I picked up a 500gb wd black which is a better drive than the wb blue

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it was $70 so a little more but its on sale at amazon

upper quiver Sep 30, 2020, 12:01 AM

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SN750 is solid

eager pebble Sep 30, 2020, 12:02 AM

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just expensive

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If you can find a sn750 on sale that is a good deal IMO

drowsy elm Sep 30, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Thnaks

loud estuary Sep 30, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Mp34 and sn750 are both solid, I'd buy whichever is cheaper

minor sun Sep 30, 2020, 2:33 AM

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@eager pebble When they are on sale for a good price, I suggest sn750, but 95% of the time, mp34 is better pricing.

eager pebble Sep 30, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Yes I agree. I just got a 500gb one for $70 but that was discounted a lot. Normally I would say mp34

minor sun Sep 30, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Wdym

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@eager pebble you know that 70$ is the common price for that 500gb version

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Mp34 chills around 63$

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When sn750 500gb drops to 60$ again, ofc grab that

eager pebble Sep 30, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Oh well I don’t mind too much. Still not a bad price for either

minor sun Sep 30, 2020, 2:35 AM

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I say it's a worse price than 63$ for a mp34.

eager pebble Sep 30, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Eh fair

red jay Oct 2, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Should I get 2 2tb hdd or just 1 4tb hdd? And what would you recommend?

minor sun Oct 2, 2020, 11:51 AM

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@red jay it can be cheaper to get 2 barracuda 2tbs than a single 4tb drive

red jay Oct 2, 2020, 11:55 AM

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That sounds good, thanks

red jay Oct 2, 2020, 12:11 PM

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What do you need dram for

minor sun Oct 2, 2020, 12:12 PM

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everything

red jay Oct 2, 2020, 12:12 PM

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What is it

minor sun Oct 2, 2020, 12:19 PM

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dedicated ram cache

loud estuary Oct 2, 2020, 12:38 PM

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**SSD Considerations: **
• DRAM/HMB: DRAM is basically ram on your SSD that stores metadata (google it). An SSD without DRAM can get much slower than a HHD as it fills up. HMB allows your SSD to use your system memory for this, but not all systems support it. DRAM/HMB is the pretty much the most important consideration when purchasing an SSD. DRAM >> HMB >>> DRAM-less.
• Bits per cell: SLC (1) > MLC (2) > TLC (3) > QLC (4). TLC is the norm. The more bits per cell, the less durable and fast.
• Interface: NVMe SSD > SATA SSD > HHD. NVMe drives are much faster than SATA SSDs, which are much faster than HHDs. Don't assume all M.2 SSDs are better than 2.5" SSDs. M.2 is just the form factor, an M.2 drive can still be SATA and run slower than a good 2.5" SSDs.
• Controller: E12 is the optimal 3rd gen controller and E18 for 4th gen NVMe drives. Otherwise, it's hard to concisely explain how they stack up.
• Law of Diminishing Returns: SATA SSDs with DRAM offer tangible speed improvements, but a HHD --> SATA SSD is a much bigger jump in performance than an SSD --> NVME or an NVME --> Gen 4 NVMe. Don't feel that you need to buy the newest Gen 4 NVMe, they don't offer that much more than a good Gen 3
• Brand: Don't shop for a brand, shop for the product. Some brands (AHEM Samsung) make good products but charge a premium for them.
• Speed: Faster is better, but keep in mind the Law of Diminishing Returns.

Use this master spreadsheet to find the above information:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UewkGqEnq3Zp9jJgV9zDH05W8x8RIuFebobOtURysWA/edit#gid=0

Or this (for those weirdos who like light mode):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0

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Controller also matters, but that covers most other things 🙂

minor sun Oct 2, 2020, 12:39 PM

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@loud estuary typo, "HMD" instead of HMB

loud estuary Oct 2, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Oooh, thx

minor sun Oct 2, 2020, 12:40 PM

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pretty good

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could also mention E12 is the optimal 3rd gen controller, and E16 4th gen NVMe.

loud estuary Oct 2, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Edited 🙂

red jay Oct 2, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Thank you

noble atlas Oct 2, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Actually, there is an E18 out now I think

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Sabrent rocket 4 plus

minor sun Oct 2, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Yea e18 is optimal-optimal now lmao

loud estuary Oct 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Updated as such, danke 🙂

plush crag Oct 2, 2020, 6:03 PM

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loud estuary **SSD Considerations: ** **• DRAM/HMB:** DRAM is basically ram on your SSD th...

minor sun Oct 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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nooo

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forky did you unpin demonmit's org SSD mastersheet message?

loud estuary Oct 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Awe, I feel smart now... I got a pinned message

short lodge Oct 2, 2020, 7:12 PM

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i got a pin once in general chat

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it lasted a whole 4 minutes

open gazelle Oct 2, 2020, 8:15 PM

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@loud estuary should probs mention that you can have SLC cache on a drive and shouldnt confuse it with DRAM/HMB cache. Also probs just use "SATA" and not "Serial ATA" for explanation, going back and forth between those two can make what you're saying confusing (for Interface/Protocol/Formfactor explanation). Should also go into "speeds" section a bit more, making sure that peeps know about seq r/w, ran r/w, sustained r/w, and q depth probs.

That is, if you want to go and tell as much info as possible

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forky did you unpin demonmit's org SSD mastersheet message?
@minor sun pretty sure it was never pinned here but elsewhere. It was cuz I got into an argument with Demonmit some time ago about the G3 to which he posted that right after for sources on doubling checking things. Dont think that was here

misty rover Oct 2, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Should I use a 512GB Barracuda M.2 NVMe SSD from Seagate for booting Windows, along with a 1TB Firecuda NVMe SSD for general storage, and gaming, and an 8TB Barracuda HDD from Seagate for a backup for everything, or should I use the HDD for my storage, and stuff?

minor sun Oct 2, 2020, 9:00 PM

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@open gazelle looks like it was actually forky
#storage-devices message

loud estuary Oct 2, 2020, 9:32 PM

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@loud estuary should probs mention that you can have SLC cache on a drive and shouldnt confuse it with DRAM/HMB cache. Also probs just use "SATA" and not "Serial ATA" for explanation, going back and forth between those two can make what you're saying confusing (for Interface/Protocol/Formfactor explanation). Should also go into "speeds" section a bit more, making sure that peeps know about seq r/w, ran r/w, sustained r/w, and q depth probs.

That is, if you want to go and tell as much info as possible
@open gazelle
Will update when I get a chance, thanks :)

upper quiver Oct 2, 2020, 9:33 PM

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aww yeah

📎 Capture.PNG

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perfect

bitter mauve Oct 2, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Has anyone ever had an issue where after a reboot one of their drives is no longer recognized?
its an m.2 drive so theres no way it has shifted and is no longer plugged in

misty rover Oct 2, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Might have gone bad, or something

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Or it could be something else

bitter mauve Oct 2, 2020, 11:14 PM

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yeah, its possible, but I only bought this drive 2 months ago so it seems unlikely

heady raven Oct 2, 2020, 11:17 PM

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@bitter mauve start by doing a bios reset

bitter mauve Oct 2, 2020, 11:18 PM

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so thats unplug, remove cmos, wait 5 min right?

minor sun Oct 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Remove cmos battery yea.

bitter mauve Oct 2, 2020, 11:36 PM

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No luck there, still not seeing it in bios :(

bitter mauve Oct 3, 2020, 12:27 AM

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looks like one of my m.2 slots is dead 3 months in 😦

dire marlin Oct 3, 2020, 2:31 AM

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F

tiny totem Oct 3, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Whats a good m.2?

heady raven Oct 3, 2020, 2:56 PM

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mp34

unreal kernel Oct 3, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Try loading it in legacy @bitter mauve

worthy oar Oct 3, 2020, 7:55 PM

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anyone know a universal solution for gpu sag

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universal as in: will work for any case

bitter mauve Oct 3, 2020, 8:17 PM

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@unreal kernel what do you mean load it in legacy? how do I do that?

finite widget Oct 3, 2020, 8:17 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-black-sn750-nvme-1tb/p/N82E16820250110?Item=N82E16820250110 should I buy it or should I look at different drives like this https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-1tb-aorus-gen4/p/N82E16820009018

heady raven Oct 3, 2020, 8:35 PM

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@finite widget SN750 is fine

finite widget Oct 3, 2020, 8:37 PM

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ah ok thanks

late vector Oct 3, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Sn750 vs mp34?

worthy oar Oct 3, 2020, 9:04 PM

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my samsung 970 evo works perfect

karmic mantle Oct 3, 2020, 9:12 PM

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universal as in: will work for any case
@worthy oar don’t they make anti sag brackets that screw into your mobo?

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my samsung 970 evo works perfect
@worthy oar love mine 🥰

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Should I use a 512GB Barracuda M.2 NVMe SSD from Seagate for booting Windows, along with a 1TB Firecuda NVMe SSD for general storage, and gaming, and an 8TB Barracuda HDD from Seagate for a backup for everything, or should I use the HDD for my storage, and stuff?

(Please tag me if you have an answer)

latent barn Oct 4, 2020, 5:01 AM

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im pretty sure u use the fastest read and write ssd @misty rover

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So probaly nvme

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Firecuda

loud estuary Oct 4, 2020, 5:51 AM

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@misty rover use the fastest nvme for your boot and whatever you want for the storage. Up to you but you definitely want an nvme as your boot if you have one

slow silo Oct 4, 2020, 7:03 AM

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https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-rocket-nvme-4-0-2tb/p/0D9-001Y-00014?Item=9SIAME8AP28081

I plan on getting this. I have the MSI MEG x570 ACE Motherboard. Should I get it w/ or w/o the heatsink?

latent barn Oct 4, 2020, 7:59 AM

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if u wanna save money no

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But i wouldnt get heatsink

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big and ugly

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probaly not a big temp boost either

finite widget Oct 4, 2020, 8:00 AM

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Doesn’t the meg x570 have heatspreaders for the m.2 slots anyways?

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So it wouldn’t even really matter to get the heatsink

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 1:55 PM

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@latent barn I was wondering if it's be better to use the 1TB SSD, or the HDD for storing my stuff, cause I need space

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Cause I'm wanting the space for huge games later on

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Might just get a 2.5" SSD for that, then use the 8TB to back everything up

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And use the 512GB SSD to boot

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Then again.. what purpose would that Firecuda 1TB serve if I did that..

minor sun Oct 4, 2020, 2:14 PM

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@slow silo can you tell me why you need PCIe 4.0 storage? For most people, it's completely unnecessary and just a waste of money.

ashen idol Oct 4, 2020, 2:19 PM

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What does the SN### mean on a ssd? Sry I’m dumb lol, I was thinking of getting a SN550 nvme 1tb ssd for $100

minor sun Oct 4, 2020, 2:22 PM

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@ashen idol they're different models. WD SN550 is bad, WD SN750 is good, but expensive

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I'd suggest you get a Team MP34 1tb

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110$ for same controller as sn750, and has dram.

tardy ravine Oct 4, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Was a hundred ten dollar evo 860 a bad purchase? 2.5

loud estuary Oct 4, 2020, 3:27 PM

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You can get a much faster MP34 for the same price. I'd say so

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Samsung is typically super pricey. They do tend to hold their value though

tardy ravine Oct 4, 2020, 3:55 PM

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that mp34 takes up a slot though

minor sun Oct 4, 2020, 4:17 PM

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@tardy ravine what's wrong with taking a m.2 slot?

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What else are you gonna do with it other than use it for a SSD?

loud estuary Oct 4, 2020, 4:45 PM

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You can also get (slightly) cheaper 2.5" SSDs for that perform the same

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I'd definitely get the mp34 if you can return the Samsung. If you really need a 2.5", then it wasn't a bad buy

tardy ravine Oct 4, 2020, 5:10 PM

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it's in transit to me so i can definitely ship it back to amazon. any fees with that?

latent barn Oct 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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@latent barn I was wondering if it's be better to use the 1TB SSD, or the HDD for storing my stuff, cause I need space
@misty rover dont ever use hdd use ssd

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also use 1tb ssd

loud estuary Oct 4, 2020, 6:12 PM

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it's in transit to me so i can definitely ship it back to amazon. any fees with that?
@tardy ravine Shouldn't be. If the seller tries to charge you, amazon almost always sides with the buyer (even when the buyer tried to scam the seller)

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 6:24 PM

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@latent barn So use the 1TB for the storage, then a 2.5" SSD for my backup drive?

upper quiver Oct 4, 2020, 6:30 PM

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dont ever use hdd use ssd
@latent barn this is just wrong btw. HDD has been the dominant personal computer storage technology for decades. just because its a mechanical drive, and just because SSD drives exist, doesnt magically make HDDs slow and useless

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as of 2020, no consumer desktop user needs more than 128gb of ssd

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i use the term "consumer" not referring to people who do professional work with PCs

fallow crescent Oct 4, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I dunno man, that extra couple of seconds it shaves when loading up doom is great

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lol, for the price difference, I’d say it may not be worth it in most cases. I’ve got a 1tb nvme and 2tb hdd and no complaints.

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The nvme is great for having OS on it though, that’s actually really nice

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 7:19 PM

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I'm going to have a 512GB NVMe SSD for my OS (Windows 10 Pro), and an 8TB HDD as my backup drive

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along with a 2TB NVMe SSD for my general storage, and gaming drive

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well.. that's what I'm planning on getting, anyways..

fallow crescent Oct 4, 2020, 7:22 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-8tb-rocket-q/p/0D9-001Y-00039?item=9SIAME8BF39670&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googlemkp-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googlemkp-mobile-_-pla-sabrent-_-solid+state+disk-_-9SIAME8BF39670&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5eX7BRDQARIsAMhYLP9y0njJ7CBqmfUIpCURMRzKP-toZXH7lBvcTjJduY8Z1t6XBNYkMlIaAlneEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

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just get this one

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 7:22 PM

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don't got that kind of money.. (yet) 😅

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not to mention I'm only 18, and am in college rn, and my parents aren't the richest people in the world.. so..

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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the main advantage to going without a HDD is noise

fallow crescent Oct 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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you definitely should be fine with what you have

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or, what you’re getting

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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for a LOT of the things that people use their machines for, a HDD is plenty fast enough

red jay Oct 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Help I can't extend my volume

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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the main advantage to going without a HDD is noise
yeah, and faster write, and read times, and longer lifespan

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:27 PM

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mind, OS should 100% be on a ssd. As prices are and as the benefits are. anything else is just not logical

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"longer lifespan" <- no.

fallow crescent Oct 4, 2020, 7:27 PM

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In my old pc, the HDD was ungodly loud. It legitimately was louder than any of the case fans and the gpu combined. Also believe that it was about to crap the bed, it was on it’s last leg

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:27 PM

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and you are taking that completely out of context @misty rover :)

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 7:27 PM

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would be nice if I had the money to get all SSDs, but I don't, sadly

fallow crescent Oct 4, 2020, 7:28 PM

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I don’t think you can extract data from an ssd if it were to fail but you can under certain circumstances on an HDD, may be wrong in saying that though

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:28 PM

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extracting from a SSD is possible, but NOT remotely cheap

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HDD? possible and doable without breaking the bank

fallow crescent Oct 4, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I guess you could just pay for a cloud service if you had extremely sensitive data that you didn’t want to lose, though

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:30 PM

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do however keep in mind: Both SSD and HDD can fail in a way where there is bugger all chance of getting things out from them

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re: sensitive data: in machine storage, another copy onsite (in the house somewhere) and a third copy somewhere offsite (outside the house, as in, different physical location). IF you dont do that, you imo do not have anything that is worth saving

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and yes, the above might sound completely bonkers to gamers.

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 7:32 PM

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so have a backup of your backups..? 😅

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:32 PM

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that is a starting point IF you actually want to be remotely safe with your data @misty rover

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keep in mind, the above IS overkill for a gaming machine

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no doubt about it :)

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 7:33 PM

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and how would that be done, exactly.. cause Ik how to backup my stuff to a drive if it's connected to my system, and stuff.. but to backup the backup drive..?

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Because no matter how inconvenient it would be for a person to have to download all their games again, there is no real loss aside from time.

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@misty rover re: backup: 1 copy in the machine, another copy on another machine/external drive that is NOT stored in the same room. and yet another copy that is stored externally on a server/nas somewhere else

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 7:35 PM

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well Ik

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but how would I backup that HDD to an external drive

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just copy-paste everything onto the external drive, and then just make a digital copy of the backup?

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:36 PM

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both a technically digital copies

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but normally you setup a program to do it for you

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one that only copies the dfiferences

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and generally you have revision software running in conjunction with it

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 7:39 PM

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would clonezilla perhaps be one of those programs

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I heard it can clone entire drives and stuff to back them up

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:41 PM

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it could be used

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but there are countless options for it

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most of the ones i normally interact with are CLI based

misty rover Oct 4, 2020, 7:43 PM

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so you use the command prompt for them

heady raven Oct 4, 2020, 7:43 PM

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-ish

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close enough

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https://github.com/Seidlm/PowerShell-Backup-Script <- something along those lines. But custom-ish @misty rover

GitHub

Seidlm/PowerShell-Backup-Script

PowerShell Backup Script. Contribute to Seidlm/PowerShell-Backup-Script development by creating an account on GitHub.

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click the BackupScript.ps1 file at the top to see the script itself

finite widget Oct 4, 2020, 10:29 PM

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if I have anything important I just back it up to my google drive 🤷‍♂️

uncut bramble Oct 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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anyone have any hands-on experience with m.2 ssds w/rgb? i've read about a couple that can suffer performance hits when the lighting is enabled, but i'm not sure how it actually feels in real world usage

loud estuary Oct 5, 2020, 12:51 AM

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https://youtu.be/Z3auLJtDb7s
Doubt that it makes a difference... Maybe if it doesn't have a heatspreader and is gen 4 or something

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minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:15 AM

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@loud estuary there was 1 drive I saw with rgb that actually heat up the controller a lot, and kinda destroyed the sustained write, but that might be an one-off case

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at least it's what the master sheet said

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loud estuary Oct 5, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Huh

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Fair enough

uncut bramble Oct 5, 2020, 1:53 AM

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i was looking at this one - https://www.newegg.com/patriot-vpr100-rgb-512gb/p/N82E16820225180 - and patriot says that it can suffer up to 20-30% performance hit due to RGB, but some folks report no issues at all

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i was thinking maybe certain patterns just tax the controller too much or something

sand onyx Oct 5, 2020, 7:41 AM

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I built a system with two 500GB 7200RPM HDDs in it and one of them was a laptop HDD so I could get rid of parts.
It sold in 2 days.

short lodge Oct 5, 2020, 4:02 PM

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ok

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Does Corsair make decent SSDs? I was looking at the Corsair Force Series MP600 1TB Gen4 PCIe X4 NVMe M.2 SSD, Up to 4,950 MB/s. But I know Samsung has a good reputation and may just go for the 970 evo plus.

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/me sees linus video about heat sink video after posting question.

Please hold.

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So the heat sink on the corsair is take it or leave it not gonna be beneficial other that 10% ish

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 4:25 PM

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@minor sun that ssd was a comedy of effed up decisions in regards to design.

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@jaunty star the mp600 is good iirc

loud estuary Oct 5, 2020, 4:26 PM

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@jaunty star if you're looking for excellent value, the mp34 is one of the best

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:28 PM

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@loud estuary who makes that?

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Team

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y6YLrH/team-mp34-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4001t0c101 <- here you go @jaunty star

Team MP34 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive

loud estuary Oct 5, 2020, 4:29 PM

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If the mp600 is cheaper in your region than go for it

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 4:30 PM

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mp600 is pro-sumer @loud estuary

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:30 PM

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mp600 is $180 usd

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:30 PM

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@jaunty star another question, Mp600 is a PCIe gen 4 drive, is there a reason you were looking at a gen 4 drive?

loud estuary Oct 5, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Ik, but in the uk and such it is sometimes the cheapest good drive

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Night, you sure you're talking mp600???

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Maybe you mean mp510

loud estuary Oct 5, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Oh, you right

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My bad

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 4:31 PM

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that says more about the wacky taxes and importers if that is true :)

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I have a mp510, it's good.

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 4:31 PM

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aye, nothing wrong with it, but it isnt a mp600

loud estuary Oct 5, 2020, 4:31 PM

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That what happens when I try to say stuff from memory instead of checking the spreadsheet lol

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 4:32 PM

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:)

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:32 PM

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@minor sun I was just loooking at lists of highest rated drives of 2020. I do not currenly have an m.2 drive though I have room for a few on my z370. I have some money I wanted to spend on a drive.

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Yea z370 can't even support gen 4 drives

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No current Intel platform can

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Oh alright, I didn't get that far into the research.

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 4:33 PM

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intel DESKTOP platform that is

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:34 PM

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my second on the list was Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 500GB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Do they have a mobile platform that supports a gen 4 drive?

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Tiger Lake does iirc @minor sun

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:34 PM

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General rule of thumb is Samsung SSD=overpriced

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One sec I'll check

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 4:35 PM

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aye, Tiger Lake does support 4.0

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@jaunty star my suggestion is also going to be Team Mp34

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62$ for 512gb, and 110$ for 1tb

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Very good drive for the price, E12 controllers, and has dram

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:38 PM

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is the read/write speeds comparible? i just found the wd_black that is at 3,400 for 62.00 usd

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@minor sun ^

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Basically same thing, between the SN750 and MP34 are personal preference

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:42 PM

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ok cool, thanks for your help.

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Mp34 is rated for 3000 iirc

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I'd prob get a sn750 since it's a more mainstream popular drive if it's the same price

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 4:42 PM

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sounds right-ish

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Yeah, I am not a brand snob, but I like to stick with brands I know are more mainstream since there are usually more information out there about them in case I need help. If that makes sense.

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Yea if you have 2 exact same SSDs from 2 different companies, I'd grab the mainstream drive so it's easier to tell with specific problems people report.

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:45 PM

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have my ssd figured out, gonna go figure out my new headset not happy with my current one. thanks again

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:46 PM

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#peripherals-and-displays can help you, and take a look at the Sennheiser PC37x at 120$

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:46 PM

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yeah I love sennheiser I have speakers from them I bought like 10 years ago and they are still going

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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There a good amount of "audio snobs" that roam around the lands of #peripherals-and-displays like Ghost and Naed

jaunty star Oct 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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but they are pricey and i want wireless and a mic so i don't know their quality, I will move the discussion to that channel

minor sun Oct 5, 2020, 4:47 PM

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(I personally don't really care what topic is in what channel, but in situations like these, they'll be more qualified people in a different channel)

peak forge Oct 5, 2020, 5:08 PM

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is the 850 evo a good ssd?

heady raven Oct 5, 2020, 5:11 PM

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yes, just has a tendency to be priced above its worth

loud estuary Oct 6, 2020, 5:53 PM

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SMH at Riley buying a crucial P2 instead of a mp34 for the same price

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https://youtu.be/U7KpyWoJnfQ

lone girder Oct 6, 2020, 5:55 PM

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ok so i need some help

loud estuary Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Ya?

short lodge Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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ok

lone girder Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Whenever i plug in a flash drive or any form of multimedia device, it says device has stopped functioning.

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So i cant import any files

short lodge Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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into what port

lone girder Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Any

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 5:57 PM

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usb controller drivers maybe?

short lodge Oct 6, 2020, 5:57 PM

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do you have motherboard drivers installed

loud estuary Oct 6, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I'd look at drivers if they work on other devices.

lone girder Oct 6, 2020, 5:57 PM

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do you have motherboard drivers installed
How would i check

short lodge Oct 6, 2020, 5:57 PM

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uh

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did you install them when you built the pc

lone girder Oct 6, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Yeah ive had the computer for a year

short lodge Oct 6, 2020, 5:58 PM

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even if you did, might be a good idea to install it again in case there are any issues with the current one

rugged wren Oct 6, 2020, 5:58 PM

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I know this might sound like a stupid question but can i only but 1 ssd in a computer?

lone girder Oct 6, 2020, 5:59 PM

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even if you did, might be a good idea to install it again in case there are any issues with the current one
Ok thanks

short lodge Oct 6, 2020, 5:59 PM

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you can put as many SSDs as your motherboard allows @rugged wren

rugged wren Oct 6, 2020, 5:59 PM

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ok

short lodge Oct 6, 2020, 5:59 PM

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if your motherboard has 6 sata ports, you can have 6 sata devices

lone girder Oct 6, 2020, 6:00 PM

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But usually if u plug in a nvme ssd then a sata port or two is disabled.

rugged wren Oct 6, 2020, 6:00 PM

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also what if i replace an ssd? does all the storage in the other ssd transfer to the new one?

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or does it get deleted

short lodge Oct 6, 2020, 6:00 PM

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But usually if u plug in a nvme ssd then a sata port or two is disabled.
thats true

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data doesnt just transfer automatically

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you need to manually transfer it or back it up before you replace an SSD

lone girder Oct 6, 2020, 6:02 PM

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even if you did, might be a good idea to install it again in case there are any issues with the current one
its worked fine ever since yesterday

short lodge Oct 6, 2020, 6:02 PM

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might also be windows

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that happened to me once

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i forget how i fixed it...

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i like booted into bios and just chilled there for a minute or something

lone girder Oct 6, 2020, 6:03 PM

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lol ok
ig ill just poke around

eager compass Oct 6, 2020, 6:37 PM

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do you need a nvme drive or is a sata 2.5 inch good enough for gaming

topaz prism Oct 6, 2020, 7:08 PM

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What are desirable specs to look for in Ram for an AMD mobo?

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 7:57 PM

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sorry for late reply @eager compass, NVMEs are a lot faster, but tbh the real time speed difference is probably just a couple seconds

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i typically find that M2 (NVME) ssds are around the same price as 2.5 inch

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check out the Crucial P1 or the Intel 660/665p drives

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M2 SSDs sit right on the motherboard, dont require power or data cables, and are a lot faster

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nothing wrong with 2.5", but if the price gap isnt that big between the two, id go m2 over 2.5"

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as for @topaz prism, 16GB of ram is plenty for gaming right now, I recommend going with 16GB (2x8) 3600mhz 16-18-18-38 for current gen Ryzen assuming your board has 4 slots, that way you can upgrade to 32 later if needed

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if thats out of the budget, 16gb (2x8) 3200mhz 16-18-18-36/38 is great too

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@eager compass https://www.newegg.com/crucial-p1-1tb/p/N82E16820156199

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^ good compromise between price to performance, speed, and capacity

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:02 PM

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@keen urchin mp34 is 5$ more

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 8:02 PM

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i find 2.5" drives to be around the same cost.

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minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:02 PM

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:p

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 8:02 PM

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is that just a better brand or something

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:02 PM

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And see that Vulcan 1tb

robust talon Oct 6, 2020, 8:02 PM

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hm the only 16-18-18-38/36 3600 ram i could find is vengance and its 266$

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 8:02 PM

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probably out of stock

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:02 PM

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My 1tb SSD suggestions is either Vulcan if you need it to be sata or save 10$, MP34 is great for everything

robust talon Oct 6, 2020, 8:02 PM

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ah

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 8:03 PM

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16-18-18-36 is a pretty corsair specific timing

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:03 PM

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@robust talon find 16-19-19-39

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 8:03 PM

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16-18-18-38 is standard for like g.skill and other brands

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:03 PM

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That's more common at 3600mhz

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 8:03 PM

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whoops

robust talon Oct 6, 2020, 8:03 PM

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yeah i was boutta say 3600 usually 16 19 19 39

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 8:03 PM

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i forgot that timing existed

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lol

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Team MP34 is basically literally a SN750 with a different brand Zach

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And it's 110$ for 1tb

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(same controller, has dram, bit slower speeds)

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 8:04 PM

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@topaz prism i recommend this https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880?&quicklink=true

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ah i just know crucial p1 as ive used it in a build before

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recommending what i know works and have experience with

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:04 PM

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So it's 3000/2600 rated r/w

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 8:04 PM

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but if thats good, then go with that

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:04 PM

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And dram and tlc

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For 5$ more

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And phison e12

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It's just so damn good value

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Tbh at this point I'll literally reccomend a mp34 for ssd for anything but PCIe 4.0 or 2tb.

viral bolt Oct 6, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Hmmm. Can anyone help me out real quick

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:08 PM

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We'll try

viral bolt Oct 6, 2020, 8:09 PM

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I had windows installed on a sata ssd, I installed a new nvme drive, then used a usb stick to delete partitions and reformat the sata ssd, then installed windows on the nvme drive

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Every time I restart or boot my pc it comes up with an error that something is missing, and looking in my BIOS the nvme drive is not an option in the boot menu.

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If I select the sata drive from my boot menu it will boot into windows (which is installed on my nvme drive)

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Oh weird

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What motherboard?

viral bolt Oct 6, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Asus prime z390a

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:13 PM

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One sec I'll get back to ya, I'm wondering if the NVMe drive just cant work or smth and you accidentally installed windows back on sata ssd

viral bolt Oct 6, 2020, 8:15 PM

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No, not according to disk manager

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📎 Disk_Mgmt.PNG

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Sata drive is a 960 gb SU650, NVME drive is 1024 gb xs8200

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Is it that my sata drive has the EFI system partition on it?

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:33 PM

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(I don't really know at this point so I'm leaving it for someone else)

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I mean, showing up in software and not bios is just confusing

viral bolt Oct 6, 2020, 8:41 PM

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The device shows up in bios, just not as a boot option

topaz prism Oct 6, 2020, 8:42 PM

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@keen urchin thank you I figured 16 would be my go to do most sticks come 3200mhz or do I have to OC them to that?

twin karma Oct 6, 2020, 8:44 PM

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unpopular opinion, all you need is 40gb of storage

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thats all

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robust talon Oct 6, 2020, 8:45 PM

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put the rest in the cloud

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put OS in the cloud Kekw

twin karma Oct 6, 2020, 8:45 PM

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see this is one smart man im talking to

shut furnace Oct 6, 2020, 9:05 PM

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put ur pc in cloud, don't need it on hand

twin karma Oct 6, 2020, 9:10 PM

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it saves space

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and it gets rid of noise

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Hi all! I am interested in the SABRENT SSD 4TB card as an external drive back up to my Powerbook... I want to eliminate my 7200 RPM drives that have a lot of data and make me worry about going bad and losing a lot of data. Which SABRENT SSD do you suggest? There are several different ones and to me it is confusing.

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 9:55 PM

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@amber glade I dont know of any Sabrent SSDs, but theres this on Newegg https://www.newegg.com/samsung-4tb-870-qvo-series/p/N82E16820147783?Item=N82E16820147783&quicklink=true

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i checked online, and the Powerbook seems to take a 2.5" hard drive, so that should work in place of it

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ive used that SSD when upgrading a 2019 imac, no complaints

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just out of curiosity, why put a 4tb ssd in a powerbook?

shut furnace Oct 6, 2020, 10:06 PM

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he looking for external i believe

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:08 PM

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@keen urchin Sorry MacBookPRO

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MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2014)

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But I want the SABRENT as an external

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I assume you just want a SATA external SSD?

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:10 PM

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yes and I was looking at the SABRENT line and there are a lot of different ones and I am not sure which to use.

keen urchin Oct 6, 2020, 10:10 PM

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oohhhh you wanted an external one

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i see lol

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gimme a sec

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:11 PM

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and the story gets better I want to use this, so in the future I would just and another SABRENT.

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07LBS47SG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A36DOQ8QSJXCYP&psc=1

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 10:12 PM

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wait you want NVMe?

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:13 PM

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IDK... these acronyms are difficult to a neophyte.

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WHAT IS NVMe?

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What is SATA

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I KNOW WHAT SSD means!!!

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 10:14 PM

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NVMe is a protocol for really fast speeds (up to 7000mb/s kind of fast)
SATA is a protocol for fast speeds (up to 500mb/s kind of fast)

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to put it really really simply

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:15 PM

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OK well I want super friggin fast!

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 10:15 PM

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NVMe is only supported on M.2 M key.

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SATA can be M.2 B+M, or 2.5in SSD.

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:16 PM

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so the double enclosure will work?

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I am referring to the link I posted.

heady raven Oct 6, 2020, 10:17 PM

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no, it wont

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that enclosure is a nvme + sata enclosure

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it does NOT do nvme + nvme

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meaning, only one sabrent drive in there

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:19 PM

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AH ok!

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 10:19 PM

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(I was just continuing with terms and information relevant to you)

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:19 PM

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I like the enclosure and I think I would get both.

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 10:20 PM

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The enclosure has 1 M.2 slot M key, 1 M.2 slot B+M key, do you see the issue with getting 2 NVMe SSDs?

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:21 PM

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yes... I am thinking of getting one SATA and one NVMe

heady raven Oct 6, 2020, 10:21 PM

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@amber glade the line on the product description that you need to pay attention to is this:
"2 separate M.2 Adapter, one M.2 NVMe USB-C adapter, another M.2 SATA USB-C adapter."

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and yes, we know, its clear as mud

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 10:22 PM

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oo I didn't pay attention to the product on that part, nice catch, that thing will take up 2 USB-C ports, which very few laptops and desktops have.

heady raven Oct 6, 2020, 10:22 PM

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no it wont @minor sun

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it CAN take 2 usb c

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 10:23 PM

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(with 2 drives)

heady raven Oct 6, 2020, 10:23 PM

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but it can also work through a hub

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 10:23 PM

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No included hub as far as I can tell?

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Do you have links to show?

heady raven Oct 6, 2020, 10:24 PM

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there is not a hub included. this is correct.

minor sun Oct 6, 2020, 10:24 PM

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It's the thing you linked earlier

amber glade Oct 6, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Link to show me a hub