storage-devices

[atomic thicket]

Where do I plug in the fan header

These are the only ones I saw that said fan

[real lava]

any of the two works

[atomic thicket]

Do I need 2 one 1 PCIe cables plugged into the PSU

[real lava]

yes

or more depending on gpu

[atomic thicket]

There is 3 types the normal looking one, one with two connectors, and one with two and a split also I am using the RM850e

and I can only plug in 2

[blazing musk]

One of those might be CPU power if the cable looks different from the other 8 pins

And on the RM850e you can plug in one 8 pin CPU and 3x 8 pin PCIe for the GPU

You only need one 8 pin for the CPU, any more is optional for extreme overclocking

[real lava]

^

[atomic thicket]

I already put the 2 CPU ones in

So do I take one out?

[real lava]

yes

[atomic thicket]

Ok I will do that tomorrow

Because slep

[atomic thicket]

It probably would be best if I took my PC into my local computer repair shop to make sure I have everything done right and not make it go klabloomy

[real lava]

nothing is gonna die as long as you're not being crazy lel

[atomic thicket]

Well we'll see once I get my GPU

[quiet gust]

50TB of sas drives

[fringe mesa]

My daughter is stuck using a crappy laptop for work that has no NVME slots but has a crappy 250gb HD. I see they have these 2tb adapters that hold two NVME. Can a SK Hynix P41 NVME platinum 2TB be run off a 4 year old laptop like this?

[dense merlin]

I would just throw in a sata ssd and replace that hdd

[blazing musk]

That'll be faster than running NVMe over USB too

[dense merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BvGbt6/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-z-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-t253tz001t0c101
Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DZkj4D/silicon-power-a55-2-tb-25-solid-state-drive-sp002tbss3a55s25

If for whatever reason you want 4tb https://pcpartpicker.com/product/b9Kscf/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-z-4-tb-25-solid-state-drive-t253ty004t0c101

[fringe mesa]

I run two off of USB for my Steam deck. Was annoying as hell, because two on a USB splitter didn't work, but a USB card worked quite nice. It's annoying to have to carry them around, but mega faster than the one inside the Steam Deck. My daughters laptop has something in the bios that the school who sells these crappy laptops use, so they connect. Drove me nuts trying to connect my phone, tablet, laptop, and being refused till I learned of it. Just found out she can get a later model, and transfer the bios to it so it will work.

[fringe mesa]

Good point.

Do laptops work similar to scsi Amiga HDs where the larger the hard drive, the more ram is needed?

[blazing musk]

No

[visual tulip]

How would you transfer a hdd and its data to another computer? Can you just take it out of the old one and plug it into the new computer and everything will work fine and be on there, or is there a whole process that you need to go through?

[amber quail]

plug off and plug in thats it

do you have a nvme in your new pc?

[visual tulip]

Yes

[amber quail]

plug in the harddrive and move all your games or apps into your new nvme

theres steps to it tho

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdYpCIYrGOIjpDgolYi2vlByvOMJcOTkq&si=tmi7p_S3ONpHdOkL

i used these to move all my games

[visual tulip]

I wanna keep the games on the hdd since they're older games, but if that's the case I can just unplug it from my old computer, plug it into my new one, and everything will be fine?

[amber quail]

ye im pretty sure but just in case ask someone else

[visual tulip]

Can anyone confirm what Technox says is true

[blazing musk]

Are you trying to copy the entire operating system or just files?

[visual tulip]

Operating system is on the nvme, I just need the files

[blazing musk]

Then yeah you can move game installs and saves easily, the vid might help

[visual tulip]

OK bet

[fallow rain]

I have a 2tb ssd in my pc rn, I've used about half, mainly on just games, would it be worth having games on a seperate ssd rather than what my windows and stuff boots off of? a friend said thats supposed to help with boot times etc

[blazing musk]

That was the general advice during the days of HDDs but modern SSDs don't care

[fallow rain]

[atomic thicket]

Should I not bother using SS with my 4070 ti in Hitman 2 because it drops my FPS down to 55-ish

Ya I don't notice a huge difference

[turbid crater]

I planning on upgrading cpu, ram, motherboard in a few years. Will os and games stay on nvme if i move it new cpu and motherboard?

[dense merlin]

Yes, but you'd want to reinstall windows when changing mobo

[turbid crater]

I was thinking about this so i dont need to spend all in a full build with getting new gpu.

[turbid crater]

Will it wipe all my games on my nvme if i reinstall windows. Why should I reinstall windows to new mobo

[dense merlin]

Can cause issues when moving from one mobo to another without windows reinstall

And no it wouldn't as long as you don't do a factory reset

[turbid crater]

Even if i have games installed on boot drive like in c drive for steam games

[dense merlin]

Yeah

[blazing musk]

As long as you don't format the drive or tell windows to reset deleting files then the data will be intact

[visual tulip]

So the Hard drive I want to transfer to my PC has windows 10 pro on the PC it's currently connected to, but my new pc has windows 11 pro. Is it fine to just unplug and plug it into the new PC, or do I need to do a little bit of work to get it to respond

[dense merlin]

You can just plug it in, im assuming you mean there's another drive in the new system that's the boot drive with w11?

As long as that's selected as the boot drive, it doesn't matter if an os is installed on another drive

[visual tulip]

In the old PC, the boot drive is an SSD that has windows 10 on it.
In the new PC, the boot drive is an nvme m.2 drive with windows 11 on it. So can I just unplug it and replug it into my new pc?

[dense merlin]

Yeah you're good

[fresh bough]

BRUHHHH

Another one failed

Silicon power a60

Any recommendations for replacements? m.2 is prefered and I’d like to have 2tb for a not ridiculous price. I’m not buying the a60 again tho this is the second one that’s failed on me

[real lava]

huh

well then get an mp33/670p

or msi m450 if you don't mind rebate

[fresh bough]

Hella options for the mp33, and I’m not 100% sure what the difference is between any of them.

[real lava]

probably form factor

i have normal mp33 myself

it's doing fine so far

[fresh bough]

The only odd form factor one was the swift from what I could tell

The “normal” one that I could see advertised the most was the pro

Arriving tomorrow, thanks foxy, after work I’m gonna have to try an hassle someone to see if I can get money back

[fresh bough]

I think I’m going to wipe and reformat an old drive I have and make that my boot drive so I don’t have to go through all of this again

[formal tusk]

@fresh bough just a heads up

SP, team, and a number of other brands

They all resell basically the same ssd under different names

[fresh bough]

[formal tusk]

The a60 for example is an SM2263XT TLC(?) iirc

Which is exactly the same as a team mp33 pro

I'd consider a warranty claim imo, if it keeps happening, it might be the slot on the motherboard causing it

[fresh bough]

It could be and I’ve thought about it being a MB issue, I’ve used multiple slots though.

[formal tusk]

I see

Well rma it anyway

If you get a new one you could keep or sell it

Worth the asset anyway if it's an hour of your time

[real lava]

mp33 non pro is also the same thing

sm2263xt tlc

intel nand

[fresh bough]

If this next one fails it’s got to be the mb (which I can probably find a better one anyways b650 tomahawk is overkill) and I know I can rma that

[dense merlin]

all of these prices are kinda meh

though i guess cheapest decent 2tb ssd not on tiktok shop now, prices went up

if you'd be fine with tiktok shop, can get a $40-50 p41 plus 2tb, which is a better drive too

[formal tusk]

Non pro iirc is 2259 or 2258

Otherwise the skus would be identical lol

[real lava]

hm

alright

[real lava]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/team-group-mp33-m2-nvme-ssd

i got my info from here

black pcb version is intel nand+2263xt

my bad, micron nand

[formal tusk]

Actually even my memory bad

The mp33 uses a phison controller in the github

Pro and Q 2263

Vanilla Phison E13T

It's perfectly possible they've had part changes and revisions over time though

Nand manu's do that a lot

[real lava]

yeah it's changed

phison with blue pcb

black pcb is the revision

[formal tusk]

I will remember this

[open gazelle]

NAND isnt always the same

[visual tulip]

So I moved a 6tb Hdd from my old computer to my new computer. Does anyone know how to get steam to recognize the games on the hdd so I can play them without having to delete them and reinstall

[blazing musk]

In settings, storage section, hit the drop down, add a drive and point at where the games are

[visual tulip]

It worked, thanks

[dense merlin]

I did not know this was possible, good to know

[real lava]

I always do that when I reinstall windows

[red jay]

what m.2 SSD is best in reliability

[blazing musk]

They're all pretty much so reliable the nand will take at least 10-15 years to wear out under normal use

[worn trail]

Is it faster to have my productivity apps be on the same drive as Windows or would it work just as fast with Windows being on a 3.0x4 drive and the productivity apps being on a 4.0x4?

Apps include Adobe Creative Cloud apps, Blender, WorldPainter, and a few IDE's for programming.

[blazing musk]

The apps themselves, it doesn't matter. They load to memory. The project data and plugins you'll want on the faster drive.

[red jay]

how are the samsung m.2 980/990s doing now, did the firmware patch eliminate all the problems earlier this year?

have they been okay since?

[blazing musk]

They've been ok since then but personally I feel they're untrustworthy, since that was not nearly the first bad firmware on those. It was the third iirc.

[open gazelle]

Cuz firmware is a manual update and the SSDs werent recalled, it's a bit hard to recommend them as the update is on the customer if they get old stock. Even harder to recommend when it's very, very rare to see them be competitive in price. However afaik they are safe now.

[blazing musk]

It's a manual update until samsung magician decides it isn't

[open gazelle]

Still on the user to download SM tho, no?

[sour wadi]

Yep

Also Samsung wasn't covering if the drive died during firmware update for a bit

Honestly very hard to recommend

[quiet gust]

Is there a list of supported drives for the hp p410 sas hba?

[blazing musk]

I would assume no because drives are just drives

[quiet gust]

I'm selling one of those hba and the buyer asked me if it had problems with particular drives like dell's. You know hp... And dell... As well, they both love proprietary stuff. The hba itself isn't compatible with non hp systems (unless you custom flash the firmware/cover some specific pins on the pcie)

[blazing musk]

I'm not seeing any drive compatibility issues, but there are some kernel issues on truenas and unraid that are fixed with patches you can manually apply

[visual tulip]

I have a flash drive thats supposed to be 128 GB. I used it as a windows installer for my new pc, but now it says its only 32 GB. Is there a way to fix this?

[blazing musk]

You should be able to delete the partition it made in disk management, then make a new partition filling the whole space

[visual tulip]

how can i do that?

[blazing musk]

Right click the start menu, disk management

Find the usb drive in the list, right click the partition, delete volume

Then right click the unallocated space, and new simple volume

The defaults are fine, you can change the volume label if you want

[visual tulip]

i just needed to scroll down

does it take time, because it does nothing when i click add simple volume

[blazing musk]

It can take a minute, check if the window popped up behind the main window.

[visual tulip]

what do u mean

[blazing musk]

Sometimes windows will pop up behind other ones, especially if you changed the focus while it was loading.
Minimize disk management and see if the wizard window is there

[visual tulip]

I see no other windows other than disk management and steam (updating)

[blazing musk]

Ok guess disk management is misbehaving

Which disk number is the usb drive on

[visual tulip]

2

[blazing musk]

Ok, close disk management and open an admin command prompt window

[visual tulip]

open

[blazing musk]

diskpart select disk 2 clean

[visual tulip]

it says it has succeeded, but it still says unallocated

[blazing musk]

convert gpt create partition primary format quick fs=exfat label="USB" assign letter="E"

You can change the label and letter as needed

[visual tulip]

Ok that fixed it

Thanks

[blazing musk]

Awesome, happy to help

[quiet gust]

Which one would be better among these? At least 1tb, which one has best price-performance?

[blazing musk]

Out of only those options, probably mp33 for 55 euro

Unless you have a need for gen 4 and can find one for under 65 that isn't the nv2

[quiet gust]

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/QmRR4M
Is this any good? A friend of mine asked me, I changed some stuff but I'm unsure about psu and case

Budget would be 1100, possibly near 1k

[cloud kiln]

Do we have a new SSD tier list

[amber quail]

There’s a tier list?

[cloud kiln]

yeah

it's a bit old now though

hasnt been updated in like a year i think

here

[blazing musk]

No. But with a bit of research figuring out which controller a drive has you can make a guess on which tier it would be, assuming it's not garbage nand.

[cloud kiln]

pain

[normal thistle]

m.2 nvme drive suggestions?

[blazing musk]

MP33 is always a good bet

And if you buy it on newegg right now it comes with a 32GB SD card

[normal thistle]

wow them are pretty slow compared to ones 20 dollars more

[blazing musk]

Do you have a need for a faster drive though? Or are you just gaming?

[normal thistle]

im editing and gaming

gig is probably fine though

[blazing musk]

That changes things, what size projects and what program?

[normal thistle]

its photos and luminar ai and or photoshope and lightroom

[blazing musk]

Photos are trivial, AI is too for drives but hard on GPUs, photoshop and lightroom might get a few seconds better loading times from a run of the mill 4.0 drive but no point going past that.

[normal thistle]

ok mp33 it is then

[blazing musk]

It would be just a couple bucks more for this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8BRYcf/team-t-force-cardea-z44l-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpl001t0c127

[normal thistle]

they dont have 2tb

[blazing musk]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-2tb-spatium-series/p/N82E16820140044

[turbid torrent]

I'm looking to get some cheap NAS but I don't know which route to go

If I should buy an actual 1 bay nas or try to find an old micro tower or something to use

I legit need like 1TB attached to the home network

[blazing musk]

Does your router have a USB port? You could just plug a portable hard drive into that.

[turbid torrent]

Won't be discoverable with how deco works

The deco mesh is working as if it's the router

We have a 56 port network switch that all of the Ethernet ports in the house are hooked up to, was just going to plug the NAS into that

[blazing musk]

If your goal is something cheap and simple to set up a raspberry pi could do the job

Especially since you don't need too much space

[vapid nebula]

My friends partitions are set weird

It won’t really run or download anything cause it’s “full”

[calm blaze]

that "Unallocated" portion needs to be corrected

[real lava]

there's unallocated space

[small carbon]

10.46GB partition, lol. 😅

[nocturne valve]

Hi!
Is it a good one? And what mean the Lite attribute in the name?
Patriot P400 Lite M.2 PCIe Gen 4 x4 2TB SSD, disque SSD - P400LP2KGM28H https://a.co/d/gjrEjyW

[vapid nebula]

Ya idk how to fix it tho

The system can’t do anything because of the lack of space

[real lava]

you can fix it

[real lava]

https://www.easeus.com/partition-master/unallocated-space-in-windows-10.html

here's the whole walkthrough

[vapid nebula]

Bet thanks

[vapid nebula]

None of it is working lmao

“Don’t have enough space”

[real lava]

weird

[vapid nebula]

But idk why it doesn’t work

Even after I allocated it

I tried to merge it didn’t work

I tried to extend it but that won’t work either

That was both with it allocated and unallocated

And I can’t do a reset with a media tool because it won’t read it as a bootable drive

And I have no clue as to why

[blazing musk]

That looks like a new installation so it's easy to fix. When you go through the installer and it asks where to install windows, delete all the partitions, select the unallocated space, and hit next.

[vapid nebula]

Thanks ill try that

[sharp folio]

So my HDD doesn't spin up after it was (most likely) shorted. Everything I've seen says it's usually a dead diode and that you can just remove it to quickly get your files off, is that true?

I can test to see which one is dead, but removing a diode and having it work again doesn't seem right

[sharp folio]

BIOS doesn't recognize it as a drive

[quiet gust]

Is the HP p410 sas hba compatible with desktop motherboards? Or does it have proprietary bus and stuff? Like only hp's servers...?

[quiet gust]

If I remember correctly it wasn't, and there was someone in a video explaining you have to cover two specific pins to avoid the proprietary bus? Mayyybee?

[slow rock]

Basic question, but would you recommend liquid or air cooling for a PC around 2k

[formal tusk]

There's like a million answers to that question

A million different pc's could cost 2k, need more context

[slow rock]

For some context

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/JoeCarr96/saved/Qw2H3C

[dense merlin]

that is privated

[worn trail]

Depends on the parts. Also the list is private.

[slow rock]

I'm such a noob: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9h6zZJ

Public one

[slow rock]

When you say depends on the parts, certain motherboards or gpus respond better to liquid or air cooling?

[worn trail]

No, the cpu.

Busy at the moment, will check list in a bit.

[dense merlin]

What are you using this pc for

[slow rock]

Primarily gaming. Plan on having dual monitors, one with 1440p gaming and the other just browsing.

[dense merlin]

I'd change a decent bit then, 14700k doesn't make much sense for a gaming build

You also don't have to buy windows, especially if you've had a windows 7 or newer device previously

If you can buy some parts off tik tok shop, I'd buy ssd and psu from it. Rm750e is $61 after coupon, and a 2tb p34a60 is like $45 or 50 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jt7L7R

@slow rock

If you did, could get 7800x3d https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZmDWrv

[dense merlin]

This is the ssd, same thing as the a60 just diff name

[trail igloo]

I am looking to get a bigger SSD but my mobo only has one slot for a m.2, what is the best way to copy from one drive to another?

[dense merlin]

Macrium reflect but they both have to be in the system at the same time

So two options

Buy a second nvme and an nvme enclosure, plug it in via USB and copy everything, then switch it

Or keep current ssd and then just get a sata ssd. You won't really notice a difference

I dont notice a difference between a game on my nvme and a game on my hdd

[blazing musk]

Yeah just add a SATA drive, gamers won't notice the difference

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102614680338456/1115505510154768404/image.png

Oh no, it's a whole quarter of a second slower! /s

[worn trail]

When I switch my drive from being on a 5700G system to a 14th Gen system am I gonna need to wipe my drives again?

[sharp folio]

Is it possible that the arm in a drive that isn't spinning up is stuck?

[blazing musk]

Ideally yes

You might get weird chipset issues otherwise swapping brands

[small carbon]

Pro tip, just get another ssd 1st so you can (temporarily) leave the current drive alone

[blazing musk]

Any moving part has the potential to fail with age

And if it is that, then the drive is dead. Do not open it. There's nothing you can fix in there without a specialized clean room.

[sharp folio]

I don't think it failed, we were having an electrical inspection done and the guy hit the reset switch for the circuit before my dad could do anything. When I got home the drive didn't show up in Explorer but did show up in disk management where I was prompted to format it and add it to the boot record.

[worn trail]

Ahh alright.

[copper dagger]

Hello,

I've been wanting to make a sort of "cloud" solution for myself. I was thinking that I could have my important working files on an external SSD that automatically backs up to the local drive of the device it's connected to (my laptop and PC). What software would I use to create this "auto-backup" solution?

[zinc path]

For a 14+TB Hard drive on this build would the current one still be a good fit or should I replace with one of these

[sour wadi]

For 14tb this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7w8bt6/toshiba-x300-14-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-hdwr31exzsta

For 16tb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gRCFf7/toshiba-mg08-16-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-mg08aca16te

[ripe sandal]

You guys think this is still an okay price for a pcie 3.0 M.2 ssd?

Limited-time deal: Crucial P3 4TB PCIe Gen3 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD, up to 3500MB/s - CT4000P3SSD8 https://a.co/d/euxHFJd

Just going to use it primarily for gaming and maybe some unity map/character file storage.

[zinc path]

It's just mainly going to be for backups rn also.
Will prob do the 14tb thx.

[small carbon]

Only decent in the sense it's a common-ish price lately. MP34 is $8 less if you want to glance at that. (More like $30 less if you can get the tiktok newegg shop)
https://a.co/d/ddUERwk

[bitter thunder]

I still run a 2.5” SATA ssd…only play Microsoft flight simulator..literally no benefit for me going to an NVMe. Only reason I would switch..which may happen soon…is because I am in need of more storage. But as far as speed, yeah, negligible for me

[dense merlin]

Can get a 4tb sata ssd for $120 off tiktok shop sold by newegg

Or 2tb p41 plus nvme for like $62

[blazing musk]

SATA is still cheaper then M.2 in larger capacities too, so if you need 8TB it might be better to go SATA.

[bitter thunder]

Yeah I think I will go either 2TB or 4TB...currently have a 1TB and its 67% full

[torpid adder]

wow yep

[small carbon]

I doubled my storage w/ the 4TB mp34. Couldn't resist at $126 incl tax. -- yea, I only have 2 slots on my matx mobo so am using a pcie slot adapter also, lol. --- good enough sale price that it won't be a regret so soon as some purchases.

[bitter thunder]

Yeah If I'm going to upgrade, minus well go full on with a 4TB

[blazing musk]

I need to get more storage too, over 5TB used so far. I could use a 4TB nvme.

There's also another 3TB on that home server that's not shown in the net drive

[quiet gust]

Want some sas SSDs or HDDs?

I've got plenty hehe

[blazing musk]

Mmm no it's desktop storage that I need, my server is fine

[quiet gust]

you. need. sas. drives.

Obey

[blazing musk]

My HDD bays are full already though

[worn trail]

What's the difference between S70 Blade and XS70?

4tb version btw

[blazing musk]

Nothing you'd ever notice

[open gazelle]

Specs seem pretty equal

[blazing musk]

Even the physical differences could be non-existent depending on which revision, that's pretty funny

[wheat egret]

ok so I bought a new ssd and I cloned it but now I have 22 gbs of space unallocated and I want to add that back to the main partition can anyone point me into the right direction for help like another discord server or can anyone here help? Diskpart won't work

[modest warren]

Yeah I got a new SSD aswell. Bios recognizes it but when I boot my pc via another hard drive it's not showing up in drives and devices

[small carbon]

Search disk management in start menu. Right click a new drive, hit initialize. -- ah, was up at 3AM so ignore if this isn't a solution, lol.

[modest warren]

@small carbon your good, i figured it out while i was waiting on an answer lol. currently waitng on file transfer to finish

[wheat egret]

I can't post pics I right clicked on my C drive to extend and it's just greyed out

[blazing musk]

I recommend using easus partition master. It bypasses the diskpart issue.

Alternatively you can boot a linux distro off a usb and use gparted

Either way it bypasses the volume lock, where windows won't let you modify the currently in use C drive.

[wheat egret]

I had easeus installed but it wouldn't let me clone so I uninstalled I use macrium reflect to clone it was freeeeeeeeeee

lol it worked clicked two buttons

Thanks my dude

[blazing musk]

Yeh macrium is best for free cloning, easus is good for editing partitions

Happy to help

[wheat egret]

Have a great weekend

[blazing musk]

Same to you

[modest warren]

Can anyone help me with my ssd. It's not being recognized as a bootable device and I'm not getting the options to download windows. It just tells me to enter a valid device and a source for windows

[modest warren]

@blazing musk

[wheat egret]

what happened I thought you were good?

[modest warren]

@wheat egret nopem the SSD won't let me download windows onto it and idk why

Can't find an answer ir solution online either

[wheat egret]

Ok so do you still have your old SSD/HDD with all your stuff on it?

[modest warren]

I do

[wheat egret]

Ok is it plugged in?

[modest warren]

...yes?

It's showing up in bios but not listed as a bootable drive. And when I try to download windows onto it, it won't let me

[wheat egret]

is the new ssd a bigger volume?

[modest warren]

2tb yeah

Old ssd is 1tb and older HDD is 2tb

[wheat egret]

https://www.majorgeeks.com/mg/get/macrium_reflect_free_edition,3.html

clone your old drive to new ssd

if you want I can stream and show you

@modest warren

[modest warren]

Pc is booting

3-5 business days with this blasted hdd

[wheat egret]

what is your OS on?

[modest warren]

Windows 10

[wheat egret]

no HDD or SSD

[modest warren]

Oh HDD atm. It's why I got a new ssd. My old ssd fried

[wheat egret]

oh you can't get your data off your Fried SSD?

[modest warren]

Depends on its mood. Sometimes it shows itself other times it doesnt

[wheat egret]

you might need to go to a specialist to recover but for now I can def help you clone your HDD to your SSD

[modest warren]

That's all I need atm

[small carbon]

Part of this crap is why it's suggested to just fresh install windows. Can always later rehookup another drive to access it.

[modest warren]

i cant install windows on it

ive been trying

[wheat egret]

yea I don't know his issue so I'll go the easy route

[modest warren]

@wheat egret it wont let me donwload it

installer has insufficient privilages. must be an admin..which i am

[wheat egret]

DM me your email

[modest warren]

done. im so sick of this "must be an administrator" nonsense when i am

the thing thats killing me atm aswell is that my "my cmputer" application isnt working

[pearl jay]

Hey i have a 500GB NVMe M.2 SSD and was wondering what would be a good 1 or 2 terabyte SSD upgrade?

[real lava]

p41 plus

mp33 for budget option

cardea z44l dips in price sometimes

[dreamy ferry]

I have a PRO-B650M-A-WIFI. I've quickly filled up my first drive. I want a second NVMe drive. Shoul I get one with an included heatsink? Will it perform as well as my primary drive (assuming it is the same model)?

[blazing musk]

Unless you get a PCIe 5.0 drive or a 4.0 drive that you'll be abusing with lots of consecutive writes, no need for a heatsink

[dreamy ferry]

Ok cool

I think I should prob go for the 4tb

and hopefully not think about storage for a very long time

[lone vapor]

hello

need a nice 1tb ssd that will give me good speeds on msfs

its currently running off of my C drive and I'm being told that is slowing down my game

[real lava]

p41

[lone vapor]

is there anything a bit cheaper

[real lava]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nRVG3C/teamgroup-cardea-zero-z440-graphene-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp7001t0c311

this

[lone vapor]

thank you

👍

[small carbon]

Mp34 is a solid pick depending on current price or if better ssds are similar price.

[dense merlin]

Ssd speeds do not affect games much

You will not see a difference by swapping it to another ssd

[lone vapor]

Ah ok

[lone vapor]

So then it would be smart to put msfs on a different, much slower ssd than my primary?

[blazing musk]

Most of the assets in that game are streamed over network unless you specifically download the 200GB of files

So yeah that would be fine

[lone vapor]

My msfs takes 600gb lol

It’s a very serious hobby

Probably worth more or as much as my pc 😨

[blazing musk]

Must have gone up since I played it, which makes sense

[lone vapor]

I don’t think it has but I have a lot of addons and liveries and such

[blazing musk]

That makes even more sense then

Random access speed would matter more than raw sequential speed still

[sharp folio]

Alright so SeaTools has no actual indicator of what any of the values actually mean, what do at least the read error rate values mean?

One of my SSDs is at 98% on life

[torpid adder]

sounds good to me

[sharp folio]

HWiNFO shows 99% left on the drive that has been used very little but plugged in for a while and 100% for the one in the ss

[blazing musk]

The drive life indicator is a safety mechanism for the nand packages. They're expected to last a certain number of write cycles. The life can go all the way down to 1% without any performance or data loss. Consider replacing around 5%.

[sharp folio]

Alright

This thing has been going since 2020 and used to be my drive OS so I'd say that's pretty good

For a 480GB drive from Kodak, not sure who they use or the life-expectancy

[blazing musk]

Yeah most of these modern SSDs have so much endurance rating you'll never hit the limit before you replace the drive

I have an older model from when SATA M.2 was more common, like 6-7 years old, and it's still at 98%.

[lone vapor]

yeah so I'm looking to offload it so I can have stuff where speed really matters on a quick ssd 🤑

[heady glade]

I'm on the hunt for some bigger internal drives, (Wanting like 6/8 tbh

Nvme i think just price me out

[real lava]

mvme ssds are only a little more pricier than sata ssds

[heady glade]

Maybe im nto searching right i was seeing like 500 for 8 tb

but maybe that is just what it is

https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-UD90-NVMe-SP04KGBP44UD9005/dp/B0BYN8NHXS/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2FUDIC0GJ6FAV&keywords=8+tb+NVME&qid=1701869279&refinements=p_n_feature_three_browse-bin%3A6797522011%2Cp_36%3A-40000&rnid=386442011&s=pc&sprefix=8+tb+nvme+%2Celectronics%2C144&sr=1-5&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.17d9e15d-4e43-4581-b373-0e5c1a776d5d

Oh i did find one

well 4 tbh*

[real lava]

4tb isn't too bad yeah

but i can probably find something for ya

[heady glade]

I would love that if possible im hunting now lol

[real lava]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FZWzK8/teamgroup-mp34-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4004t0c101

here, cheapest atm

[heady glade]

With NVME Do i care so much about the brand for quality / reliability

or are we finially to the "Everyone makes a solid product"

[real lava]

not really, but team group makes decent ssds

and they're usually one of the cheapest options

i use an mp33 myself, 1tb

[heady glade]

Say less im on it

[sullen oxide]

@blazing musk what’s the hard drive cleaning application?

Discord is beyond wack today and I can’t see my message history

[blazing musk]

CCleaner?
It's not just you

[sullen oxide]

That’s the one that completely wipes the hard drive?

[blazing musk]

No just the junk data and temp files

Although it does have a scrubber that totally wipes a drive to the point the DoD would have trouble recovering the data

[sullen oxide]

Jesus.
I just wanna wipe em for the new pc, as I’m going from an nvidia card to an Amd card

[blazing musk]

Oh you mean DDU then, that wipes the GPU drivers

?ddu

[river lichen]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[sullen oxide]

So what would I use to also remove files from the computer? Like all my installed games and apps

Ty for that btw, I didn’t know that existed

[blazing musk]

PC reset, it's in settings

[sullen oxide]

I’ve done it like 4 times. Have I been doing something wrong?

I’m running windows 10.

[blazing musk]

There's 2 options in the reset dialogue that comes up. One option says keep files, the other is to erase them.

[worn trail]

Is there any difference between S70 and S70 Blade 2TB models?

[blazing musk]

One has a heatsink and the other doesn't

The one without a heatsink is usually the one to use for a PS5 or a motherboard that has a built in sink

[worn trail]

Gotcha.

[devout tulip]

Could someone explain to me how I can transfer my windows to another drive I want to make my ssd my primary and currently the windows is on a 1tb seagate I want to move windows to a 500 gb wd blue ssd

[formal tusk]

Macrium reflect free edition

Install

Clone windows disk

Pick the new drive to clone to, drag everything across

Start the clone

And done

[red jay]

im gonna roll the dice on kingspec memory

hopefully its quality

[plush crag]

Macrium is that 🐐

[crimson brook]

what do y’all keep on your hard drive vs ssd, i have both and have for a while, but i only have put stuff on my ssd and wanted to move some stuff from ssd to my hard drive but idk what i should move

if this helps these are what i’ve got

[worn trail]

hard drive should be used for cold storage and things you use regularly like games, work apps, and os should be kept on ssd.

[shut furnace]

my general workflow is keep the operating system, all applications and some games on the ssd. while the hard drives keeps all the documents to be used by such applications and longer term archival files

that way it's easier for me to know where all files that require backups are. I can essentially wipe the entire OS drive without having to worry about important files being lost

[potent crypt]

@crimson brook What @worn trail said. Lol

[worn trail]

Is there a list for SSDs like the one for PSU in #cases-psu-and-cooling? Planning out what drive I am gonna save up for.

[blazing musk]

Yes but it's outdated. It was maintained by a former member of the server.

[worn trail]

Ahh I see.

What drives did you guys recommend? I've been looking at S70, XS70, SN850X, and KC3000 as contenders.

[brisk dome]

mp33

Unless you have an actual reason to buy a more expensive & faster drive

[worn trail]

Video Editing and such so I'd benefit from it.

[blazing musk]

Here's the (outdated) list. You can figure out roughly where a newer model drive fits from the controller, you'll see a trend in the higher end drives.
https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

[worn trail]

Appreciate it.

[open gazelle]

I kinda prefer spreadsheet over old list.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4

Cuz updated and more info per SSD, also more SSDs

[worn trail]

appreciate it.

Seems KC3000 is my best bet between good performance and value.

[crimson brook]

recommended m.2 ssds? pref under $100 trying to get 2 tb

my build if needed

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8TZ8YN

[crimson brook]

how is the mp44l compared to other choices

[formal tusk]

670p

[crimson brook]

what’s the big difference between the two

[dense merlin]

I would say this for 2tb atm, with how close in pricing it is to b/a tier ssds https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rjkWGX/adata-premium-for-ps5-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-apsfg-2t-csus

That's basically a rebranded xs70

Other options you're saving $5 but imo at that price why not get the "better" one

[crimson brook]

you mean why spend 95 on a slightly worse one than spend ≈100 on a better one

?

[dense merlin]

Yeah

Sorry typo, meant saving not asking

Sentence should make more sense that way lol

[crimson brook]

i agree

what’s better about that one then mp44l

[dense merlin]

Just faster speeds essentially, it's same tier as ssds like the xs70, s70, 980 pro, sn850

[crimson brook]

how much faster? visually will i see a difference?

[dense merlin]

Atm likely not, if direct storage actually becomes a thing it could matter then, and minor differences in game boot times/load screens

[crimson brook]

so is it really worth it? i mean i don’t mind spending it but i’m also asking myself, if i’m not gonna visually see faster speeds with the more expensive one, i could just get the mo44l

[dense merlin]

Eh, I would just get it to have it if I were buying one but the difference will not be highly noticeable

Well, not noticeable at all compared side by side

[crimson brook]

think i’m gonna buy mp44l.. i don’t see a reason i need to spend more money’s on almost no difference in performance

[manic beacon]

helllpppp

just finished building a pc and the m2 ssd isn’t showing up

only boot usb is showing up but need to download windows on the ssd

[blazing musk]

Might need to set the PCIe version in bios for the slot

[manic beacon]

its not showing under advanced settings

i checked online and it said i can configure under Onboard Devices configuration

but not showing any PCIe settings

only fix i can think of is to get a hard drive, install windows on it and format the drive from there

[blazing musk]

Try a different M.2 slot first

[manic beacon]

there are 3 slots

tried all of them

think i need to format it

but its an issue since i dont have another drive

[blazing musk]

Oh wait you never did say where it wasn't showing up

I had assumed you meant in bios or during windows install

[manic beacon]

when i load up boot usb

yeah windows install

only shows the usb

[blazing musk]

Ok, no you don't need to format it to show there

[manic beacon]

what might be the problem?

its definitely in correct

i’ve screwed it in so its not moving

[blazing musk]

Possibly a bad drive. If you can, test it in another computer.

[manic beacon]

damn

is that common?

its fresh out the box

[blazing musk]

Not really, but that depends on the model

If it's something cheap like the timetec ones I wouldn't be surprised at all

[manic beacon]

WD BLACK SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E GEN4 SOLID STATE DRIVE

paid £110

might send it back and replace with a proper ssd

[blazing musk]

Decent drive, but it's not the first I've seen a possible bad WD drive

[formal tusk]

Not showing up on the windows install menu?

[manic beacon]

no

[formal tusk]

Is that a no as in yes, no

Or no as in

[manic beacon]

as in, only thing in the menu is the usb boot drive

[formal tusk]

Good lord

Yes

Pick the usb drive

Then load into the installer

You should have the option to pick the sn770 there when you install

[manic beacon]

it tells me to fromat the usb

i did that first and it wiped it

so had to reinstall the boot software

[formal tusk]

Ok

So you've reinstalled it yes

[manic beacon]

might have to get a second drive

[formal tusk]

No

[manic beacon]

yes

[formal tusk]

No drive shows up in bios until the install is done

[manic beacon]

oh ok

[formal tusk]

I have like 10 drives in my work pc

Only 1 shows up with windows on it

The drive will show up in the windows installer when you boot from the usb

[manic beacon]

so how do i install windows on the m2 ssd?

is there a good tutorial

[formal tusk]

With the usb

[manic beacon]

bc i feel like im missing something

[manic beacon]

tried that but doesn’t show up

[formal tusk]

You need the windows media creation tool on the usb

[manic beacon]

when it asks me where to install to

[formal tusk]

Ok so nothing shows up when it asks where to install?

Is that correct yes?

[blazing musk]

To clarify, you run that on another computer to create the install USB

[formal tusk]

...

[manic beacon]

final resort, f it

think it might be my usb bc i wiped it again and now wont verify

installed it in a vm on my mac

so that might be the problem

[formal tusk]

Just use a regular usb

Paying extra for one that has the installer is overcomplicating things

If it doesn't work then you'd need to return it right lol

[blazing musk]

I personally don't trust those because who knows what they added to the installer

[torpid adder]

Clippy

[blazing musk]

If the only other computer you have access to is a Mac you can run the Windows Media creation tool through the VM and tell it to download the ISO, then copy that to the main OS and use a Mac compatible program (or just DD) to create a bootable drive

Or it might even just let you download the ISO from the page you would download the tool on if it detects you're on Mac

[dreamy ferry]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FZWzK8/teamgroup-mp34-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4004t0c101

Im likely going to grab a 4tb nvme off Newegg on Xmas day. Is this a good choice? I don’t mind spending a little more if it’ll make my games load like 8 percent faster or whatever.

[torpid adder]

Might as well go with a 4.0 drive if you want to spend more for faster

[blazing musk]

8% is an optimistic number there.

It's more like it shaves 0.1 seconds off a 12 second load

And that's comparing a gen 3 drive to a gen 4

[dreamy ferry]

Hm if it’ll be an imperceptible difference in speed, cheap or cool looking is good

Looks like software doesn’t really take advantage of the improved capabilities of gen 4 nvme just yet

BUT my pc is otherwise high end and could still be in use when games with direct storage do come out (?)

[blazing musk]

Forspoken is the only game that uses the directstorage library so far and even that game barely benefits from faster drives.

[dreamy ferry]

I guess you can’t tell me how many games will be using it in two years huh lol

[blazing musk]

We've been waiting on more games for what, 3 years since they announced it?

[dreamy ferry]

I’ll see what’s on sale day of I suppose and buy something. My 2tb is full

[blazing musk]

Oh I stand corrected, it's been 3 years and there's 2 games. The other is ratchet and clank rift apart.

[dreamy ferry]

Ever since I’ve built this pc it seems I’ve been like the first to load into every multiplayer match 😊

[blazing musk]

Forza motorsport and Diablo 4 have said they might add it in an update

Neither of which loads slow anyway

[dreamy ferry]

Yea all my games load super quick

Thx to this discord for helping me build it lol

Im running out of stuff to upgrade on it

[blazing musk]

[dreamy ferry]

F

[worn trail]

Lmao.

[open gazelle]

The problem is that we didn't have full direct storage until only like 8 - 12 months ago iirc. I can't even remember if Fors🅱️oken had full DS.

[blazing musk]

That's part of the problem yes, but we have a sample size of 2 so I'm not going to make any generalizations.

[broken moon]

Im having an issue where my hard drive is showing up in device manager and partion manager but not in bios or the files

[quiet gust]

The server's back!

[tawdry dove]

just got a crucial x6 ssd for christmas should is it recommended to download the Optimization and update utility?

[blazing musk]

Nah

[tawdry dove]

Sweet

[harsh sage]

homie doesnt know what a zfs pool is 😭

[quiet gust]

Exactly

I have no idea

[formal tusk]

I'll zfs ur pool in a minute

[harsh sage]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-fade-smile-fade-to-dumb-happy-to-straight-face-smile-fade-to-shock-smile-fade-to-curious-gif-4098180333973202457

[quiet gust]

Is "add mirror" in windows disk management basically raid 1?

[harsh sage]

yes

dont use wondows storage pools plz

[formal tusk]

Dynamic drive ftw

[harsh sage]

truenas truenas truenas truenas truenas

[formal tusk]

I WILL OPTANE ALL THE THINGS

[harsh sage]

optane is dead and buried

you'll need a shovel

already decomposed too

[formal tusk]

Anything for the best technology in the world™️

[formal tusk]

Oh yeah they also released the worst in the world™️ at the same time, thanks for reminding me

[formal tusk]

💀

[harsh sage]

speaking of storage, im gonna take apart my server 😔

im a goofball for putting my best x99 board and CPU in it when i knew i'd probably need it for benching again

[formal tusk]

One man's trash is

Still just trash really

[harsh sage]

rampage 5 edition 10 is not trash 😔

[formal tusk]

Still just trash really

[harsh sage]

Bye bye server for now

oh wow i forgot i had those dimms

[formal tusk]

Forgettable platform tbf

[harsh sage]

YOURE SO WRONG

[real lava]

that very old tt psu

cringe ass fonts

[harsh sage]

i got it for 30 bucks

[formal tusk]

Forgettable price forgettable platform

[harsh sage]

[quiet gust]

is filezilla the easiest and most reliable option to host a small file server if running windows 10?

[blazing musk]

Easy, yes, reliable, ehhhhhh

It's usually reliable enough for home users at least

[quiet gust]

Ok, I wanted to know if there were other solutions to remote file sharing, currently using that but it's fine.
Only one problem, if I share a folder, either password protected or not, I can access that folder only (as well as what's inside) if I use windows file explorer.
The problem occurs with CMD as I can still access it but I can also navigate back with the "back" command (I don't remember it exactly but it's like cd..// or something that uses those symbols)
So whoever has access to the folder also has access to the rest of the computer. Solution?

[raven plinth]

anyone have ideas for what is the best method for backing up lots of files? trying to help family who are not tech savvy. should i just buy a bunch of external hdds and then tell them to back them up once a year or smth?

also, is there a better alternative to a program like freefilesync before i painstakingly teach them how to use it

[blazing musk]

Define "lots of files" because my definition is probably closer to tens of millions of files spread across 50 workstations

The easiest method for home users would probably be the built in windows backup tools

[raven plinth]

a couple tb

i assumed windows built in stuff would not be good enough because thats backing it up on the same hardware so if there is a failure the backup would be gone as well

[blazing musk]

You can set it to backup wherever you like. I have mine set to what I have mapped as the "Z" drive, which is actually my home server.

The trick is mapping the network location, then it lets you

[raven plinth]

yeah i suppose that the other part of my question then, what should i back it up to? assuming i currently have nothing and would have to buy whatever it is.

[blazing musk]

An external USB drive usually does the trick

[raven plinth]

do you have any recommendations

[quiet gust]

I was about to say this hdd was one of the big 4tb ones until I realized

Yes, it was...

[blazing musk]

"Was" being the operative word there. Oh you can see the dust on the platter too. Oof.

[torpid adder]

lick it off lick it off lick it off lick it off lick it off

[real lava]

it was an hdd indeed

[quiet gust]

It's also missing a few parts
Like
Everything
Except the platter and the motor lol

[broken moon]

Can I use this m.2 riser card in the last slot

With 2 m.2s on it

4 lanes each

[blazing musk]

What model motherboard? The bottom slot is often reduced to x4 or even x1

[broken moon]

B550 xe gaming wifi asus rog

[blazing musk]

The bottom x16 slot runs in x4 so any drives on the adapter card will share 4 lanes

The other x16 slots share bandwidth as well so they'll either run as x16/x0 or x8/x8

Most GPUs would be fine with running at 4.0 x8 so that might be a viable option, expansion in the top slot and GPU in the second.

[broken moon]

I just heard that usually, for gamers the gpu in the 2nd slot in this case could cause noticeable performance affects

[blazing musk]

I doubt most people would be able to notice the extra 10ms of latency but that doesn't apply here anyway since top and middle x16 are both directly attached to the CPU and not the chipset

[plush crag]

That riser is bifurcated.

Only the first drive will work in an x4 slot

[blazing musk]

The board has bifurcation

But I'm not sure if it'll do it on the bottom x16 (x4) slot

[plush crag]

Why would it need to?

No matter what settings you type in, you will always and only see the first drive in that adapter when used in an x4 slot

[blazing musk]

It's hard wired from the pins to the drives?

[plush crag]

Yes

Every one of those that needs bifurcation is like that

[blazing musk]

Dang, guess I need to get that 21 drive adapter instead so they'll just share bandwidth

[plush crag]

That's why they're $50, and actually by far my favorite nvme mounting solution

[formal tusk]

wait, so if you run one of those, and you are missing 4 lanes, it only recognises one of the drives?

[plush crag]

Huh?

[formal tusk]

what this mean?

say you have a 2 nvme adapter

only sees the first nvme in the card if it has only 4 lanes?

[plush crag]

Oh I was confused because it's a quad nvme riser, but with two drives, yes

[formal tusk]

fascinating

[plush crag]

You can see the traces on the PCB, it's just wired directly

No mux, plx, etc, though those do exist for 5x the cost

[formal tusk]

I wanted to use the nvme card from the apex but I didn't have case space

so never got to try it

[broken moon]

Yea well I watched a video on it that explained the bifurcation

I was gonna run 2 drives in raid 0 in the riser

But I don't want it 2 mm away from the fans on my gpu

Would it be better to just run the m.2s in raid 0 with them both on the motherboard instead?

Since Im not using all 16 lanes, isn't that the whole appeal of the card is that you have more pcie bandwidth and can have more drives?

[minor sun]

If you want to take lanes from the GPU and run it in x8/x8, then yea

Afaik all you have to work with is 16+8+4 lanes in total, 16 from CPU to first pcie slot, 4 from CPU to first m.2 slot, and 8 lanes from chipset with generally 4 lanes to second m.2 slot and 4 lanes to another pcie slot

[plush crag]

The chipset can multiplex

[blazing musk]

Not on that motherboard, the top and middle x16 slots are connected to the CPU according to the specs and manual. So if you use the middle slot then both the top and middle will be x8.

[formal tusk]

If the motherboard has slots then use them

If you want to use a riser card, use the riser card slot 1 and gpu slot 2, set bifurcation to x8/x8

Both run straight to cpu lanes, you won't notice the difference, not in 100 years

^that's basically the takeaway from yesterday above

[broken moon]

Okay

[formal tusk]

It does if you don't have ample lanes, in this case you seem to have them

[broken moon]

I just watched a video that explained it differently

Thank you

So riser card on top 2 m.2s raid 0

Gpu 2nd slot

[blazing musk]

Your motherboard works differently from the average one, that's why

[formal tusk]

It's a 3060 anyway

[broken moon]

😦

[formal tusk]

If it didn't run on 4 lanes I'd be shocked

[broken moon]

Ohh

[formal tusk]

Hell, pcie 4.0 x2 probably runs

Lol

[blazing musk]

That would be pushing it for bandwidth but it would run

[minor sun]

Yea, it can do x8/x8/x4 with first 16 from CPU and the 4 from chipset

[formal tusk]

Which is 1.0 x16

A 3090 runs on 2.0 x16 barely

Yes it would run

Albeit the throughput might be a bit choked it would be almost full perf going by data rate

[minor sun]

doesn't the chipset mux just give 8 lanes from 4 from CPU, 4 of which would go to second m.2 slot and the other 4 to the third x16 slot?

[plush crag]

uh, no, that won't work lol. That's not what bifurcation means.

If you had the riser in either cpu lane slot, you'd set them to either x4/x4/x4/x4 or x4/x4

Given that it's a 3060, I'd just run the riser in cpu x16 slot 1, set bifucation on that to x4/x4/x4/x4, then put the 3060 into cpu lane x8 slot 2

[formal tusk]

Eh? Doesn't am4 bifurcation do x8 or x4 for two slots

I've never seen x4/x4/x4/x4

[plush crag]

If you put a riser card that has each of it's four quartets of pcie lanes hard wired to the corresponding pins, telling the motherboard you want to run x8/x8 will bork something

Probably no harm, but it won't work

[formal tusk]

So a fused 4 nvme card has to run x16?

[plush crag]

Fused?

[formal tusk]

Sorry what was the word you said earlier I'm very tired

Wired lol

[plush crag]

If you have any number of drives in this card, you need to tell the mobo to run that slot x4/x4/x4/x4 https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-M-2-X16-V2-Threadripper/dp/B07NQBQB6Z

If you tell the mobo to bifurcate to x8/x8 and the riser is in the x16 slot with two drives installed, the mobo will try to talk to both drives assuming it's a single device

Maybe one will work, idk, never tried to break my hardware lol

I actually just threw an x2 x4/x4 riser into the new temp* daily build

[formal tusk]

Right I went to the manual and it's x16 for slot 1

[plush crag]

Yes, I'd assume it would be

[formal tusk]

So x8 won't come up

X4 for slot 2 gpu

There's only 24 lanes for am4 anyway

[plush crag]

I think I understand - when I say x4/x4/x4/x4 I mean bifurcation within the same pcie slot

Not slots on the board

[formal tusk]

Yes I think I get what you're trying to say now too

Never seen that option before for x4/x4/x4/x4

It probably exists or never noticed lol

[plush crag]

My x670e could do it, trx40, wrx80, trx50, probably more can IME

[formal tusk]

Ye

X670e is different tho

More lanes

[plush crag]

Eh, kinda

The chipsets are daisy chained, and you have to go board by board

[formal tusk]

Threadripper def different lol

[plush crag]

Asus stopped releasing block diagrams which is a pain

[formal tusk]

Those block diagrams are great ngl

[plush crag]

My x570 giga, asus could as well now that I remember

[formal tusk]

I could check on the aero g

[plush crag]

Lol yeah, the one redeeming feature of a giga board, especially when you have two daisy chanined chipsets and need to figure out how to structure your storage

X670e master

[formal tusk]

Ah yeah there it is

[plush crag]

Interesting how they have an 8/4/4/ option

[formal tusk]

Well that would work well for dual m.2 cards

[plush crag]

How

[formal tusk]

Two...m.2?

Nani?

[plush crag]

No, you'd need to run 4x4

[formal tusk]

Eh why can't you run only 8 lanes

[plush crag]

Unless you have some dyslexic aliexpress card that has the first two drives wired to the back 8 lanes lol

[formal tusk]

Ohhh

But wait

Would it still reserve 16??

[plush crag]

Unsure

I'd assume yes

[formal tusk]

I'm so glad atx is pointless for desktop now

[plush crag]

That said, it's a desktop platform, the 2nd cpu lane slot is already x8, why not bifurcate that one and put the gpu in the x16 to run at x8

Other than airflow ig

[formal tusk]

I'm even more confused

This is just the biggest can of worms

[plush crag]

If you tell the x16 slot to go x4/x4/x4/x4 I think it might* take all 16 lanes, unsure

[formal tusk]

Omg

[plush crag]

Not really other than what I mentioned in the last message, but I that issue is easily avoided

[formal tusk]

On x670e that would be ok tho tbf wouldn't it

24 lanes to slots ye?

Or 4 only to m.2 slot

Thinkge

32 total isn't it?

[plush crag]

Sure, if you want to put your gpu in a chipset slot (if the previous example config would indeed block out the unoccupied pair of x4 lanes)

[plush crag]

Check the giga block diagram

[formal tusk]

Ah 28

[plush crag]

Yeah, 28 of total bandwidth, but remember that x4 link to the first chipset can provide full bandwidth to any device at one time past that

Mostly

TL;DR - mux

[formal tusk]

Oh 2 x4 to m.2

Wth

I guess that's more practical in a desktop sense

[plush crag]

It's been this way for over a decade

[formal tusk]

Yes but they just use it for another pcie direct m.2

I figured that it wouldn't be that simple

Lol

[plush crag]

e.g. z170 you have an nvme in the chipset lanes at x4 3.0 as well as an nvme in the x4 chipset slot with a riser at x4 3.0, either can runn full speed alone, but total bandwidth is limited to x4 3.0

Minus whatever ethernet, audio, usb, sata, idk whatever else talks through the chipset

It all goes through the DMI link

[formal tusk]

Mmm

Dmi link?

[plush crag]

chipset -> cpu link on *lake platforms

And probably earlier

[formal tusk]

Ohhh

So the other question would be

If the second pcie slot could do full 16x

Would a 2 slot riser be picked up if it was wired however it wanted

Cos then x8/x4/x4 would work ye?

[plush crag]

No, e.g. on wrx80/wrx90 you have 7 slots all pcie 4/5.0 x16
If you put a quad nvme riser into slot (any), you need to set that slot to bifurcate x4/x4/x4/x4

[formal tusk]

Hmmm

I think it would be the case that it wouldn't reserve the full 16 tho

Cos if you have nothing plugged in, it doesn't reserve that

Some handshake involved I would guess

[plush crag]

(been there) https://i.imgur.com/ieffiKq.jpg

[formal tusk]

Maybe I should try my riser card in the x570

For the memes

Need another m.2 tho only got one spare

[plush crag]

Bifurcation just means you tell the bios to expect two or four devices, grouped by 4 (usually) pcie lanes

[formal tusk]

Yeah so if it does x4/x4 would it not detect 2? That's what keeps tripping me up

[plush crag]

Yeah

[formal tusk]

So if it was wired to the second half of the slot, set to x4/x4, 2 nvme's

Would work yes?

Not they normally are iirc

Normally wired left to right iirc

[plush crag]

I don't mean to make the more complicated than it is lol

[plush crag]

You could do that with the quad nvme riser, only plugging in drives to the 3rd and 4th bays, but why

[formal tusk]

I'm on 2 hours sleep this is really interesting and there's smoke out my brain ngl

[plush crag]

Get some rest haha

[formal tusk]

Hey man, they might only need 2 drives lol

So glad I've only dealt with the single risers

[plush crag]

Right, but again,

Put GPU in x16 physical/electrical pcie slot, no settings needed
Put dual nvme x4/x4 riser into 2nd x16 (x8 electrical) slot, and bifurcate that one to x4/x4

[formal tusk]

This double and quad stuff makes it so complicated

[plush crag]

It doesn't, lol

[formal tusk]

YES

I WAS THINKING THIS THE WHOLE TIME

I was so confused tho

But the 3060 in this case works in x4 only surely

[plush crag]

TBH - I think we just mixed up terms for physical x16 etc as well as birfurcation terminology

[formal tusk]

Oh probably yeah

[plush crag]

I mean, it'd be x4 4.0? Even 3.0, I wouldn't worry about it, few percent fps probably

[formal tusk]

Ye

So for this lad it'd be x16 top, x4/x4/x4/x4

Gpu bottom, x4 @ 4.0

[plush crag]

Could do that, yeah, I forget the original question

gpu, quad riser, anything else?

[formal tusk]

Well his strix doesn't seem to have a full x16 second slot from what I could see

Not like physical but electrical/data

[formal tusk]

Afaik nothing else

[plush crag]

Depends on cpu x16(physical) spacing, but if they're too close together such that the riser blocks fans, I'd put the gpu in the 2nd physical x16 slot, and the riser in the top - to see if that could bifurcate to x4/x4 without blocking the unused lanes

otherwise, assuming the riser would block the fans, yeah, gpu in chipset ig

[formal tusk]

Ye

[blazing musk]

Bottom slot is only 3.0 tho, but yeah if you needed all 4 slots from the adapter this is the only option

[still bay]

Hello, does anyone know if I can use any nvme SSD here or is it just for m.2 sata ssds? It's for an Acer aspire e5-575g-53vg.

[cloud kiln]

does anyone know how long does cheap sd cards retain data

[rare lark]

no

just no

sd cards cost hardly anything

there's no reason to cheap out

[cloud kiln]

no im wondering if the data on this sd card bit rot and corrupted or if it was corruped from the start

im not planning on buying sd cards to store data

well, buy more just to store data

i still use it for my SBCs

and cameras

file says it was created in 2020 lmao and it's not opening

[rare lark]

assume a cheap sd is dead on arrival

it either dies within a couple days or a long time

[cloud kiln]

not even a ssd, it's a microsd card 💀

[elder ibex]

haven't had much experience with SD cards getting corrupted

[rare lark]

I had a cheap sd card in my miyoo mini for a week or so

very anxiety inducing

[cloud kiln]

but yeah most of the files on the microsd card is just not openable

it's been sitting on a desk for a few years

[rare lark]

so yeah it's screwed

[cloud kiln]

i'll salvage what i can, there is a few family pics on it

while not too important, probably good to keep them or smth idk

probably will never look at them again lmao

but still

[elder ibex]

if nothing else, good practice for when it really hits the fan

[undone salmon]

Does anyone one know how to format a SD card for the ender 3 series 3d printers
the one it came with broke
and the 3 that i bought dont work
😦

[rare lark]

google/youtube

[undone salmon]

smart man

used google before asking here but yt had the solution

🙂

[blazing musk]

It's strange how often that's the case. And it's always some random channel and the video has like 12 views but every comment is "omfg thank you I've been pulling my hair out"

[spring stag]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[blazing musk]

It's probably sharing bandwidth with the SATA ports, try different ports

[spring stag]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[blazing musk]

Right I mean different SATA ports

[spring stag]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[worthy mantle]

Hey, my friends pc randomly stopped detecting the m.2 as a boot drive. Anyone know what could be going on?

[blazing musk]

Clear CMOS first, try another slot if that doesn't work.
If that doesn't work, set the PCIe version in bios manually.
If all that fails, it might be a bad drive.

?cmos

[river lichen]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[red jay]

so i wont see faster speeds than 500megs a sec nvme to nvme copy?

come on dude

[sour wadi]

Depends on the nvmes, the cpu, the, slots on the motherboard but generally thats pretty fast ye

[still bay]

Would this SSD be fast and reliable enough for a ps5? I have the 1tb version for my uni laptop and it's alright. But I'm thinking of getting this 2tb version for my slim. Should I get this or just go WD/Samsung/Crucial?

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-2tb-t-force-cardea-a440/p/N82E16820331727?Item=N82E16820331727&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-331-727-_-01142024

[blazing musk]

That would work

[sharp hill]

Right now I have an Asustor drive to backup my computer. The backend of the NAS stuff is foreign to me and now that I am having issues, I want to just have a simple Hard Drive setup with a Raid system to backup my computer. I have two Seagate IronWolf Pro ST16000NE000 16 TB Hard Drives…I just want to put them in a HD case and mirror them and add them to my computer to back it up. What do you suggest?

[magic citrus]

I currently have a 4tb Mycloud backup drive. The desktop app is no longer supported. I am looking for a simple harddrive i can plug into my router and map as a network drive. Help please.

[blazing musk]

You can take the drive out of the enclosure and use a standard USB to SATA adapter or a different enclosure

That way you both save money and you don't lose your data

[torpid adder]

the whole mycloud ecosystem is really unfortunate

I only hear bad things

[magic citrus]

Yes it forces you to use a web app which isn't very user friendly. I just want to be able to drag and drop between folders.

[red jay]

is it best to use windows 11 disks & volumes manager to delete a partition or should i boot into a partition manager tool

[blazing musk]

If it's a system partition then you'll need a boot OS like the gparted linux distro

Otherwise it's safe to use the disk management

[hidden solstice]

hey ppl need some help with the following: so I want to expand my storage on a MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk motherboard and I want to do it with a Samsung 2.5 EVO 870 1TB SATA3 ssd. Now the real question I have is, is this going to be compatible with my system if I already have an NVME ssd in the first M.2 slot under the cpu? I'm askin cuz previously I tried do the same but with a second NVME in the second M.2 slot after which I learned that it is not possible to have two NVME ssd both with 4 lanes in my motherboard because it's just not built for it

[blazing musk]

According to the manual, the second M.2 slot will run at x4 if the second and third PCIe slots are not occupied. It will run at x2 if the second PCIe slot is occupied.
The first M.2 and first PCIe slots are independent of the other slots, since they get their lanes from the CPU and not the chipset (PCH).
SATA drives don't appear to interfere with any PCIe devices on this board, even M.2 drives.

[hidden solstice]

so in short i can hook up a sata without an issue?

[hidden solstice]

thx for the reply btw🙏

[blazing musk]

Yes, and you should be able to use both M.2 slots at x4 if the only other PCIe device you have is your GPU in slot 1

[hidden solstice]

alright, thanks for the info!

[blissful sluice]

I have probably a crazy question, if i sell a pc with no ssd, then all they get are the parts none of the things that were on the pc previously right?😭😭

[dense merlin]

Yes

[blissful sluice]

I was 90% sure but didn’t want him getting my stuff lol

[quiet gust]

I've got a bunch of these sas ssds, what price should I sell them for? They're used but still working
They mostly have 30TB writes, is it possible to estimate how many write cycles are left?

[blazing musk]

Do they not have SMART data you can read with crystal disk info? That's the way to estimate write life.

Unless it's really old nand, with only 30TB of writes or so I'd guess they're still in the high 90s percent life remaining.

[quiet gust]

They're not recognised by disk info, only hdd sentinel as they're connected with a sas HBA, I do get some SMART readings but its not as "readable" as disk info

[quiet gust]

I mean it is a bit old, they're mainly 2014-15 SSDs

[blazing musk]

Ah right when raid mode is on smart data and features are usually blocked

[minor sun]

You can probably assume the tlc can do 1000 p/e cycles, so 400tbw theoretical endurance

found an interesting chart from a paper testing a 120gb tlc sata ssd

[red jay]

any recs for a 2tb nvme gen4, budget is around 500 dhs (pref on amazon.ae or newegg)

[gray talon]

https://a.co/d/3aQPCj2

Is this actually ok?

[real lava]

doesn't seem like worth getting to me

[blazing musk]

Might as well get a flash drive at any size 4TB or less

You don't need a drive marketed for consoles

[gray talon]

I just need a storage for the ps4 games

Because I’m putting all ps5 games in the sad

[real lava]

Fal's point still stands

You could get any other external storage

Consoles will detect any usb storage devices just finr

[blazing musk]

Considering the PS4 runs off a SATA 2 HDD (the pro got SATA 3) even a USB 3.0 flash drive will be faster than the original hard drive by a large amount

A small HDD for that matter, a standard 1TB drive will hold dozens of games

Example 2TB
https://www.newegg.com/p/0BD-00C4-00079?Item=9SIAZS4K810707

Yeah it's a little more expensive than that external drive, but it's also much, much faster at game loading

1TB drives are cheaper

[elder ore]

64gb to 1tb for steam deck

I thought I had the right screwdriver size but I ended up scratching the holes where the screws go in 💀

[sinful salmon]

I don't get why the handheld manufacturers are obsessed with this tiny SSD form factor

You can fit a 2280 in both the Deck and the Ally (the Ally is easier to do but the Deck isn't impossible either)

So why artificially limit compatibility to the tiny drives that cost a lot more?

[blazing musk]

In the case of the original deck, installing a longer SSD can block the wifi antenna and create interference

[shut furnace]

yo anyone got recs for cheap but reliable nvme. for a older system

[dense merlin]

1tb?

If so prolly https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9CjNnQ/pny-cs1030-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-m280cs1030-1tb-rb

[shut furnace]

Nah like as little storage as possible so maybe 200ish

[sour wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rWxbt6/patriot-p300-256-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-p300p256gm28

[shut furnace]

yeah that should work, ty

[sinful salmon]

Alright
How about the OLED Deck?
Or the Ally?
Honestly to me the Ally using 2230s is frankly insulting

Or rather especially insulting because it's not even difficult to get the 2280 going
It's literally a 50 cent print cost add-in board if Asus just went ahead and offered it themselves

I mean you can probably fit 2 SSD slots onto the Ally if you wanted to
At least one being 2280 would've been such a huge value proposition (maybe a 256gb 2230 for OS and crucial apps, and a 2280 slot for storage expansion to have your games on)

[real lava]

it's probably due to heat constraints

much harder to cram more stuff into such a tiny space

it's essentially just a thicker phone with a controller stuck onto it that runs windows

[brisk dome]

I'd guess when they're buying the drives wholesale the cost difference isn't ass much as it is for consumers. Also (like others have already said) in those kinds of devices space is tight

Not really any point for them to artificially limit the SSD size when they aren't making any $ off of selling ssds

Well I guess there's the "oh it's a pain to find a 2230 so I might as well spend more for the higher gb model"

But those kinds of people are probably likely to just buy a 2280 and make it work

[blazing musk]

They are making money off different SSD sizes though, that's one of the major features of the more expensive models

[brisk dome]

Capacity yes absolutely

Im talking physical size

Unless the higher end models fit a 2280 drive...?

[blazing musk]

To answer this now that I've had time to research, it looks like a longer SSD in the OLED Deck would go right out the bottom, and re-orienting the socket would cover the wifi module.
The ROG Ally seems prett space constrained too, any longer and it would cover the RAM. Shifting it would get you to maybe a 2242 drive which goes up to 2TB currently for $190. No better than 2230 drives.

[sinful salmon]

There's a 10 dollar board on Amazon that allows a 2280 with zero interference

[blazing musk]

Riser?

[sinful salmon]

Not really a riser

[blazing musk]

That would have been my suggestion

[sinful salmon]

More like an adapter board

Direct traces from the Ally to the m.2 slot in the board
And a retention mechanism

[blazing musk]

That's basically a riser

[sinful salmon]

Idfk terminology okay?

It's also 11pm and I've been up since 6am

I'm barely functioning

[blazing musk]

Is it something like this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/155963866003

It seems like that might require modifying or printing the back because that would put the drive right over the heat spreader for the core and memory. Right next to the heat pipe even.

[real lava]

Asus and valve doesn't condone these changes

Especially valve, since it compromises cooling

[violet otter]

I'm doing my new build atm and I'm confused about what this is, or if I need to do anything with it

It's the heating for the M.2 slots, but do I peel the blue part? There's like a little pull tab

It's Aorus Elite AX B650M board

Jk I figured it out. I'm silly. You just peel it for the slot you're using, that makes sense

[formal tusk]

peel one of them off for the ssd

oh you figured it out all good

lol

[wind sonnet]

Hey everyone, I just got an NVME SSD and just installed it, but I have a problem. Every time I turned on the computer, it brought me to the bios menu, and the light on my motherboard lit up on bios.

I didn't get the chance to initialize it yet either.

[blazing musk]

Is this a new build or just a new drive? You might need to change the boot order in bios

[wind sonnet]

New drive, and yeah, I'm trying to lock in the current boot order so the new drive doesn't affect the old one.

[humble marsh]

Question for anyone that may have dealt with this before.

I have a dead Samsung SSD I purchased through Newegg in 2021, and they are referring me to Samsung to get it warrantied, but Samsung is referring me to Newegg. I've been provided with a Consumer Warranty Letter to provide to Newegg, but every contact method I've managed to find forwards me to an automated system that tells me to get ahold of the manufacturer for warranty support.

Thanks in advance.

[dense merlin]

I would DM @teal sequoia