storage-devices

[sour wadi]

Something 5400 or 7200rpm from wd or Seagate usually

[real lava]

^

it's usually the seagate barracuda or wd blue

[proven wren]

ok

[small carbon]

X300 from Toshiba is good as well, just priced higher.

[red jay]

do SSDs get slower as they fill up?

[small carbon]

Some do, but also often not until around 80% full. Even my lil 250GB mx500 was good at 83% recently. Plus might not ever notice w/o a future test

[red jay]

oh mines probably like 90% a lot of the time since games are so big these days.
how much does it slow down? a lot? is it the same for NVMEs?

[small carbon]

Idk. My mx500 went from 550MB/s to around 300, but I also had a bunch going on. The storage 1tb mx500 is still perfect. Crystaldiskmark is what you want.

[red jay]

hmm i have a WD sn750

[blazing musk]

It's mostly write speeds that slow down, read isn't impacted much

[red jay]

read is whats used for loading times in games?

[blazing musk]

Yes

Any writing is done in short bursts, saving progress and such

[worn prairie]

Is a 2TB Micron 2400 worth $165?

[sour wadi]

no you can get a team mp33 for less

[real lava]

micron 2400 is also qlc

big ew

[kind sierra]

Really good QLC though

2TB 2230 drive is pretty cool

[proven wren]

should I get a portable hard drive

or no

[blazing musk]

For what?

[proven wren]

pictures from my phone videos maybe a few games

[blazing musk]

Games don't run so well over USB, and especially off slow hard drives like they usually use in externals

[proven wren]

k

[sour wadi]

Would get an internal one if you have a desktop

[proven wren]

ok

would a external ssd be good

[sour wadi]

Worse than internal

But if it's for a laptop should be fine

[proven wren]

k

its a gaming pc

[sour wadi]

If you have a desktop tho, cheaper and better to go internal

[proven wren]

k thanks

[blazing musk]

Plus when you go internal you know what quality drive you're getting

[proven wren]

what do you mean by that

[sinful niche]

External can often be a guess to what the actual hdd is , plus as fal said many internal hdds are simply much more solidof a choice.

[proven wren]

ok

well I will get this:

https://www.newegg.ca/team-group-mp33-1tb/p/N82E16820331417?Item=N82E16820331417

or should I get the same ssd I have

or does it not matter

[formal tusk]

Mp33 is solid

[proven wren]

ok

someone else recommended it

I will do some reserch myself before I get it but thanks

Would this be good for a xbox one s?

https://www.newegg.ca/samsung-t7-1tb/p/N82E16820147767?Item=N82E16820147767

[formal tusk]

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide

We use this in the pins to make suggestions. Someone actively keeps up this list and does all the research

[proven wren]

ok

[formal tusk]

So mp33 would be c tier, or budget friendly

[proven wren]

ok

what ssd would you recommend

[formal tusk]

Mp33 for sure

Or silicon power a60 if you find it at a slightly cheaper price

[proven wren]

do you have a link for canada?

[formal tusk]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/drwypg/silicon-power-p34a60-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-su001tbp34a60m28ca

[proven wren]

thanks

I will consider it

Would this be good for a xbox one s?
https://www.newegg.ca/samsung-t7-1tb/p/N82E16820147767?Item=N82E16820147767

[open gazelle]

As a last point, many external drives are 2.5" HDDs which are pretty terrible in performance and longevity

[proven wren]

ok

[proven wren]

would this be good for xbox series s

[cyan needle]

@blazing musk what does this mean?

Also, I believe my first m2 slot runs off cpu (as opposed to chipset) or however its worded.. I was wondering if you might know which ones of the other 3 do as well? Is there any advantage of one to the other?

Mag z690 tomahawk wifi ddr4

[blazing musk]

Optane is like a special kind of SSD. It's super fast but also low capacity and expensive AF.

The closest slot to the CPU is usually run off the CPU lanes and remaining ones run off the chipset. The CPU technically has better latency but it doesn't matter much.

[cyan needle]

Alright. I know different manufacturer, but I was looking at a strix z690 of same specs and noticed it said the 2nd m2 slot was chipset while 1 3 4 were cpu, so I wondering if it was same for mine.

So for gaming.. I really shouldn't notice a difference?

[blazing musk]

No it won't make a difference

If they really are running more than one slot off the CPU then they're sacrificing lanes for the GPU to do it

[cyan needle]

Oh ok. Now that I'm looking at it again.. I mightve been interpreting it wrong.

[small carbon]

yep, clearly PCH for all but the 1st m.2 slot. All gen 4 though, that;'s pretty nice

[cyan needle]

Yeah I see now. I think I was looking at how the red lines were connecting 1 and 4 and assumed it was cpu for both.

Even though it said pch -.-

[blazing musk]

Yeah that's mostly standard on 1700 socket, top slot is 5.0 and the rest are 4.0 or 5.0 depending on the board tier

[cyan needle]

I think this is the board I will be getting since upgrading to ddr5 is a waste atm.

It has same performance (supposedly) as my tomahawk, but it's white and has rgb

Just.. $100 more

[blazing musk]

That one has 3.0 PCIe slots though, which shouldn't really matter but good to keep in mind

[cyan needle]

It doesn't have a 4.0 pcie slot at the top?

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-z690-a-gaming-wifi-d4/p/N82E16813119505

[blazing musk]

The top is 5.0 but the other 1x and 16x are 3.0

[cyan needle]

Ohh ok

[cyan needle]

I don't think I'll ever have anything in those slots. The sapphire 6950xt is huge

It's like 3.5 slots or something like that.

But I wouldn't even know what to put in the bottom pcie slot anyways.

I know like a wifi card for the 1x, but the mobo already has wifi.

[blazing musk]

Maybe a capture card or an expander of some kind

[cyan needle]

What would I use a capture card for?

[blazing musk]

Streaming or recording usually

Takes the load off the GPU

[remote plume]

Having trouble booting from external source. Hardware is Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen 3, Samsung 980 Pro w/ Heatsink in an Asus Arion. Samsung has a Cloned Drive with Win 10 on it. Tried a bunch of stuff... Any Ideas?

[kind sierra]

Probably just windows putting all sorts of protections in place to keep it from being booted from external hardware

[remote plume]

Is there any way to Check or Bypass that?

[kind sierra]

Yup, use Linux instead

Or do some really fancy stuff to trick windows into thinking the USB drive is an internal drive

[loud marsh]

Should I buy a 4tb hdd or 1 tb ssd m.2 for my next upgrade I can’t choose

[sour wadi]

Depends on if you care about speed or quantity

[small carbon]

both is good.

[minor sun]

Tldr Soldigm P41 plus is a good drive for being qlc, but really can't be confused with the Hynix P41
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17522/solidigm-announces-p41-plus-ssd-taking-another-shot-at-qlc-with-cache-tiering

[sour wadi]

Oh that's confusing

[kind sierra]

Sabrent announced a new drive, the rocket 4.0 plus g. I really wish they would think of new names instead of tacking more modifiers onto old ones

[minor sun]

The problem is that plus makes it sound like it's better, but no

It's complete opposite ends of the market

Best best drive vs budget drive

[small carbon]

Yep, barely a 670p successor. Really dumb name.

[real lava]

dumb name

i suppose this is the company that intel sold their ssd business to

[formal tusk]

'Gaming heatsink' available for 29.99

[blazing musk]

Everyone knows adding "gaming" to the description adds $50 to the value at minimum

[real lava]

[minor sun]

But yea uh this is basically both Intel and Hynix rn

[small carbon]

Imagine someone eventually gets this "p41 plus" by mistake.

[sour wadi]

That's even more dumb they could have easily avoided this ;-;

Maybe it was on purpose

[open gazelle]

Def on purpose, they want to get the P41 hype train

[remote plume]

I'd use Linux, but I can't help, but feel like there would be some kind of compromise that I would have to make if I did and I certainly don't like those...
I don't know of any tricks that I can pull and frankly I shouldn't have to Indulge Windows behaving Ridiculously...
Why can't there be one OS to "Rule them all?"

[minor sun]

Reminds me of

[formal tusk]

Never gets old in this space

[minor sun]

Mhm

[half flint]

Ayeee sn850X comin out

[kind sierra]

We get any specs yet?

[kind sierra]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/chinas-memory-upstart-ymtc-edges-closer-rivals-with-232-layer-chip-2022-08-04/
More 230+ layer nand on the way

[real lava]

woo

more affordable nand

[blazing musk]

Well, more affordable for China.
Tariffs are still in place so it won't make much impact outside China.

[open gazelle]

More supply does mean more chance for cheaper NAND

[blazing musk]

I guess, but I'm a very indirect way here. It'll just provide cheaper supply to China allowing demand for other nand to drop a bit, which may increase available supply and reduce the price.

[real lava]

it does at least make an impact for my country

im not in the us xd

[green wharf]

What’s the best price per performance sk Hynix with 1 or 2 tb

The P31 or the P41

[blazing musk]

The p31 I'd say, unless you have an actual use for the extra bandwidth like 8k video editing

[small carbon]

Anyone else use an SN 550 lately for a game install? Of course I got the nerf'd version. Anyways for installing a game and after around 5GB at a time ssd went to 100% solid & speeds (ssd/DL( went to crap. Makes me not even want to use it. By comparison my 90% full MX500 is still great and here's the last part of a 56GB game install on it.

[blazing musk]

If 44MB/s is your speed going to crap then consider yourself very lucky

That's more than I can get max without paying $200 to CrapCa$t

Aren't monopolies fun?

[formal tusk]

wish I could have more than 44MB/s

I live in a country where 6MB/s is within the top 1%

[small carbon]

No my bad that was the nice MX500. tbh I was totally fine w/ 100Mbit. This is "300" Mbit internet. The crap SN550 speed pic follows. Basically the controller and/or nand needs a "rest" every 4-6GB. I paused steam for 1min or more than it was good for another 5ish GB. 2nd pic shows i think it still is darn good w/ smaller loads and stuff.

[sour wadi]

Yes but I max at 31mb/s so not really fair comparison

[carmine onyx]

So I have a SSD that's registering in BIOS, but not in windows. Any ideas?

[quiet gust]

Go to disk manager or whatever it's called in windows (just type disk manager on search bar) and look for the drive, it may just be all unallocated space and not showing on "this pc"

If it's unallocated:

1. Convert to GPT (if it says convert to MBR skip this step
2. Right click on the unallocated space (the black part) and crate a new volume

[carmine onyx]

Awesome, thanks

[quiet gust]

Np

[formal tusk]

Do I need a heatsink at all on a 660p?

I'm taking it out of my old laptop and putting it in my new one. I suppose I could try and bring the thermal pad along too but baby she be a thicc boi pad

Have no idea if it's gonna fit

[dense merlin]

Mine runs fine without it

Though mine is also in a desktop, not laptop

[formal tusk]

Ok so I should be fine then

The thermal pad seems to be thin enough to transfer over tho, a bit thick but it'll probably work

Actually about the same height as the heatpipes, just a tiny bit taller, it'll probably work

[formal tusk]

Actually it's not a 660p. Windows said it was but it's actually a pm961

Bit better than a 660p

[open gazelle]

I mean there is rarely more then like 0.01CFM going over a NVMe in a desktop, so idk if laptops would be that different

[formal tusk]

I don't think it'll be different either, but the 961 is a pretty fast gen 3 so I do think I need to be a little conscious of the heat management

Eh actually I'm not even sure now. It might be fine

Still gonna use the thermal pad tho cos it fits lol

[red jay]

You can buy thermal glue and a mess of narrow heatsinks on amazon on the cheap.
Or you can buy a standard heatsink, and thermal pads.

if you wanna overdo it, id go with the glue and heatsinks.
No matter what you want that controller chip cooled for longevity. (so a single 2x1cm sink and glue)

thats my opinion

[formal tusk]

hmm, I could have a look at maybe my EK heatsink on it in there if it's not too thick

if the pad is making contact with both the laptop shell and the ssd tho I think I'll be fine tbh

[formal tusk]

I have to tip my hat to the TUF A15 2022 now. It just put that EK heatsink on and it fit perfectly inside the chassis no problem like wth

Like it's not terribly thick but it fit like a glove

[alpine karma]

Are there any good SSDs for an MSI Pulse GL66 anywhere from 2TB to 4TB

[formal tusk]

adata swordfish 2tb is 138 usd

comes with a slim heatsink so it's a good idea for a laptop low profile fitment

you wouldn't want a high end gen 3 or any gen 4 without a heatsink on it inside there

and if you're just using it as a secondary drive for like game storage then you won't see any real benefit buying up on better performance (at most a couple seconds improvement)

[alpine karma]

Let me look it up real quick

[formal tusk]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0896SKCDY

[alpine karma]

Are team groups good

[formal tusk]

team group mp33? yeah

[alpine karma]

I already have one of those in and I was debating if I should get a second

[formal tusk]

how many m.2 slots do you have?

[alpine karma]

As much as I want a seperate 4TB ssd it’s very expensive

I believe it only had 2 slots

[formal tusk]

so mp33 as the main drive?

[alpine karma]

There’s a 2TB and a 520GB in

[formal tusk]

oh

[alpine karma]

I’m looking to upgrade the 520

[formal tusk]

what are you using the laptop for?

[alpine karma]

Gaming

[formal tusk]

that's not really worth investing in more storage then imo

have you used up the 2tb yet?

[alpine karma]

Yes

[formal tusk]

[alpine karma]

Lmao I know

[formal tusk]

too many games man

[alpine karma]

They’re big ass games in my defense

[formal tusk]

fair enough

[alpine karma]

• mods

[formal tusk]

what you'd need to do is macrium reflect the OS to the new drive tho

then swap back in the other drive

[alpine karma]

So like clone everything on the 520 over to the new one

[formal tusk]

ye

[alpine karma]

I got a buddy who could help me with that

[formal tusk]

I would do swordfish tho imo cos it's as good as the team one

but cheaper + heatsink

[alpine karma]

So the heatsink prevents overheating?

[formal tusk]

it's good for the ssd yes

it's not totally necessary but it's always a better thing

[alpine karma]

I wish I knew that when I bout my team group mp33

No you right I should definitely have it especially with a laptop

[formal tusk]

eh you can buy custom ones

doesn't the gl66 have one in there already?

or maybe a thermal pad?

[alpine karma]

Well imma be honest with you the one I have is like a higher version than the regular gl66 they misnamed it on Amazon

[pallid orchid]

well

yes but actually no

[alpine karma]

I forgot the specifics

[pallid orchid]

nand flash likes running hot

optimal perf at 50-60C

[formal tusk]

ye

[pallid orchid]

its just the controller that needs to be cooled

[formal tusk]

a heatsink will spread not totally dissipate it

but for these tier c's I wouldn't be too worried about it

[alpine karma]

Are Samsung good or sabrent rocket

[formal tusk]

which models

[alpine karma]

True

[dense merlin]

If you're gaming, 970 evo plus is better i believe

if you're not gaming, this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qCqPxr/adata-xpg-gammix-s70-blade-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-agammixs70b-2t-cs

[alpine karma]

Strictly for gaming

[formal tusk]

would want a heatsink for higher end gen 3/gen 4 drives *in a laptop

[alpine karma]

So stick with the adata

I was looking at the legend one is that worth it

[formal tusk]

legend?

[alpine karma]

Yea adata legend 840

There’s a legend 750, legend 740 and a falcon

[pallid orchid]

see the problem with your logic is that the heatsink isnt gonna fit in any laptop

[formal tusk]

the adata ones should?

[pallid orchid]

nah

most probably wont

[formal tusk]

They definitely would in mine

scroll up and see me fit one more than double as thick just yesterday

[pallid orchid]

Well they still wont in the vast majority of laptops

[formal tusk]

those adata ones are thin, and it's gen 4, at least a thermal pad to dissipate

[pallid orchid]

does the motherboard do gen 4

for nvme

[formal tusk]

presuming it's an 11th gen as a GL66

[pallid orchid]

Either way tho

just get a gen 3 drive for games only

doesnt matter really

gen 4 useless extra perf

[formal tusk]

the adata swordfish stonks cheap

[pallid orchid]

so is the sn550

or 570

cheaper last time I checked but havent looked in a while

[formal tusk]

Fal'cie put me onto this one earlier it's 140 for a 2tb

it's cheaper than a 2tb mp33

[pallid orchid]

das good price

[formal tusk]

right?

[formal tusk]

@alpine karma just get this one lol

[alpine karma]

I think I’ll go with that

[dapper spear]

Looking to buying an NVME 2230 for the Steamdeck. Do you guys have any suggestions on where to source it?

[kind sierra]

What capacity are you looking for?

[blazing musk]

That 2tb one that Linus promoted doesn't seem to exist in retail yet, and there's only a single 1tb on Newegg I can find

[kind sierra]

It should be here shortly though if you're willing to wait

[dapper spear]

I want a 1tb but I would wait for a 2tb

[obtuse latch]

anyone know my external ssd wont automatically be recognized when i start my pc, i have to restart for it to show up

[shut furnace]

what kind of external ssd, does it have external power?

also anyone here good with external drives, I'm looking for something to use with macbook and ipad, for photos, 4k video files, audio clips, and pdfs all to be edited from the drive

[blazing musk]

An external SSD is typically powered by the USB port, they don't use a lot of power

[sour wadi]

Crucial x6 and Samsung also have a few, i think t5 is one of them that's decent

Even external hdds with seperate power are ancient

[blazing musk]

Ehhh, 2.5" will typically be port powered and the 3.5" still need more

[shut furnace]

just wondering ofc, some devices that are bus powered do not connect properly upon wake up and such

[shut furnace]

don't make me feel ancient

[shut furnace]

let's say for x6, you think that should be fast enough if I am searching through say.. 1k pdfs or 50k large photos just so I am not waiting around

[sour wadi]

That's a lot but they're pretty small files so probably fine yeah

[shut furnace]

ye I mean the photos are usually a pain on some because they are usually 50-100mb

[sour wadi]

Oh dam

[shut furnace]

sorry I meant 25-100

but If its not too much issue the x6 is looking nice

[sour wadi]

Shouldn't be really

Another option is an m.2 enclosure

[shut furnace]

true, but this will be for travel so I don't want to get too complicated

[sour wadi]

Yeah they're usually clean ish tho

[shut furnace]

alright I just picked it up if your recc fails me im suing @sour wadi

hehe

started the first batch, not bad

[sour wadi]

sweet

I mean its not instant but good enough

[pallid orchid]

Brb hiding mine

[blazing musk]

Shuck it right now or get demoted

[pallid orchid]

i CANT REALLY SHUCK IT SINCE ITS ATTACHED TO MEDIA PLAYER AND HAS ALL THE MOVIES AND SONGS PLZ NO DEMOT

opps

caps lock

sorry

[blazing musk]

Libraries are easy to fix, all I'm hearing are excuses

You can just set the drive letter to the same as when it was external and should just work

[pallid orchid]

its not attached to a pc

its attached to a roku

so i cannot put it internally

[blazing musk]

Ah that's what you meant by "media player". I thought you meant Windows Media player

[sour wadi]

Acceptable

[old axle]

Alright So Im probably extremely dumb but idk I have 2 storage devices ones a Samsung m.2 980 and the other is a samsung m.2980 pro for some reason The samsung Pro isnt working I dont know why

In the Bios it can read it and see what it is and even shows up in my task manager But it just cant be used

also I use the b550 vison D-p so yea

im so confused and I dont know whyyy

i am dumb nvm

[cursive chasm]

how do you guys remove pool storage?

[manic dagger]

did u format?

[old axle]

I figured it it out i was a dumb ass and forgot to do that dies

[manic dagger]

happens to all of us

hehe

[old axle]

Now I'm gonna move my games from one drive to another

[manic dagger]

there was one time i was doing a psu + gpu upgrade and couldnt figure out why keyboard was not working... turns out I actually need to plug it into the pc to work

[old axle]

or the classic forgets to flip the switch on the back of the psu

[tough laurel]

I have pciex1 on mobo the x16 gas gpu in it. Is there an adapter for x1 to x16 for ssd?

[blazing musk]

What exactly are you asking for here? M.2 to PCIe adapter?

If that's what you're looking for you can get a cheap PCIe x4 to M.2 adapter and just plug it into the x1 slot. You can cut the edge of the x1 slot so the x4 fits. The attached SSD would only work at x1 speed which is still faster than SATA.

[tough laurel]

I only have a pciex1 slot . B550M-a pro board. The x16 has my gpu in it and i want another ssd installed.

@blazing musk I only have a pciex1 slot . B550M-a pro board. The x16 has my gpu in it and i want another ssd installed.

[blazing musk]

https://youtu.be/fZed5r9tXHQ

https://www.newegg.com/p/35Y-005D-00004

[tough laurel]

@blazing musk thanks heaps, i found an old x1 to x16 raiser i had thats powered for gpu so thinking that should work for ssd unpowered as the card gets power from the pcie aswell

[blazing musk]

Yeah that'll work too

[blazing marten]

funny, thats exactly what i did on my mobo, dremel the heck out of the x1 slot to fit the pcie to nvme adapter

almost one year and no issues so far with my wd550 running at x1 😛

[strong cloak]

would you guys recommend WD BLACK SN850 or the Samsung 980 Pro?

[small carbon]

Almost whichever is cheaper. SN850 is really good so can't go wrong with either.

[strong cloak]

but lets say i got the SN850, should i take off its heatsink and use the heatsink on the Motherboard? or use the headsink it comes with instead OR get the 980 pro?

[dense merlin]

P41 is cheaper rn

And the best ssd

[strong cloak]

thank you, i am trying to look for it, but i dont think its available where i live unfortunately 😦

[small carbon]

Ah yea Hynix is not as well known or in as many countries. As for SN850, I would perhaps use the builtin heatsink.

[dense merlin]

Ah rip

[formal tusk]

They have a no heatsink version. As chillin said, whichever is cheaper, but also you should only invest in a gen 4 if you have a proper use case for it

[strong cloak]

is the SN850 not Gen 4?

[formal tusk]

It's a gen 4

But what are you putting on it?

What's it being used for?

[strong cloak]

i mean, i want it to have windows on it, and all my programs

also i think im buying an extra one for the PS5

not sure tho

[formal tusk]

One for the ps5 makes sense since it's only gonna like a gen 4 (heatsink one would be good here) but for the PC and just windows you won't notice much more than a few seconds over a good budget nvme

[strong cloak]

yeah true, but i was just planning on getting like a 500Gb or something

[formal tusk]

For that I'd say MP33 or Silicon Power A60 will get you almost the same experience

[dense merlin]

Not in the US

Look for the mp33, sn550, sn570, a60

P31

[formal tusk]

You'll end up spending half as much on the PC one for most of the same experience then 👍

[small carbon]

Regardless of ssd, 500GB is often a terrible value. Edit: for gen 4 ($70+)

[dense merlin]

Ehh

512gb mp33 is $38

[formal tusk]

Eh idk mp33 512 and a60 512 is ok

Both hit similar prices and match good sata's

256 tho

I'll give you that one

[strong cloak]

those are the prices where i live

SN850 500 (156 Dollars)
MP33 512 (60 Dollars)
SN550 500 (110 Dollars)
SN750 500 (100 Dollars)
980 Pro 500 (151 Dollars)
SN570 500 (79 Dollars)

[kind sierra]

Eek

Definitely the mp33 if they're that different

[dense merlin]

Mp33 any day of the week

[kind sierra]

It won't work well for the PS5 though

[dense merlin]

True

[kind sierra]

But for your PC it'll be fine

[small carbon]

500GB for a ps5 or (modern) games would be tiny anyways.

[formal tusk]

@strong cloak how much is the SN770 where you are?

[strong cloak]

cant find a 770 😦

[formal tusk]

I see

[open gazelle]

Idk if PS5 uses much direct storage rn anyways.

I looked into it little while ago and I couldn't find any proof of it being well used in any game on any platform.

[formal tusk]

Yeah but unless this has changed since I did it, PS5 only accepts gen 4 drives. It literally blocks anything else that's slower

[blazing musk]

It just warns you that the drive doesn't meet the required specs and you won't get an ideal experience

It's been that way for a year now

[formal tusk]

So no more of this screen?

[blazing musk]

As long as the console is running on a version less than a year old yeah

[formal tusk]

Hmmm I'm not seeing anything on this though

I'll give it a try in a little bit

[small carbon]

Afaik this was partly reason for the non-gen4 speeds sn750SE. Tbh "requiring" gen 4 overall just feels like something isn't super well made. Then 9000Gigaultramegabytes/S aren't always a big deal in reality

[formal tusk]

Ok I tried it with a gen 3, no dice

It only lets me turn it off

Made sure it was all up to date, unless it's in beta? I can't get gen 3 to work

[open gazelle]

Also wtf with the 4tb limit? Why no 8tb NVMe allowed :(
Wonder if it's an arbitrary limit or if it due to bad format

[open gazelle]

Prolly cuz then no one can prove them wrong about how gen4 doesn't really matter rn, keeping their marketing accurate. Gen4 will be nice at some point tho that's whenever the average game makes use of direct storage, which isn't going to be for a while (I still can't find one game that even uses direct storage).

[sour wadi]

discrimination

[formal tusk]

Well it's a Zen 2 system, it should definitely work with a gen 3, we know this from desktops.

sorry I hit enter halfway lmao

I reckon it's a case of them not wanting to open up the compatibility to keep the ecosystem closed and within some level of expectation

It's easier to control troubleshooting and compatibility with a shorter list perhaps

Look at the series X, they use exclusive Seagate expansion drives that cost (or costed) a fortune when they came out

[open gazelle]

Yeah could be cuz they don't want to deal with dumbies getting mad af that their PS5 no worky with direct storage games whenever that time comes, trying to sue Sony and whatnot.

[formal tusk]

yeah that's my inkling about it. Keep it simple and keep that bar high

[open gazelle]

Which imo isn't ideal. Taking control away from user just for that is sad.

And bad

[formal tusk]

oh yeah definitely

not saying it's a good thing, it's a good thing for them lol

[open gazelle]

Ye

[formal tusk]

omg those xbox seagate drives still cost a fortune

[sudden peak]

Yeah, I'd still take Sony's solution compared to a proprietary solution like Microsoft

It's limited but more options still

Coming from someone who owns neither console lol

[south hollow]

option time. I got a 980 pro 1tb do I switch my OS to that or keep it on my WD Black and just use the 980 pro as a game drive?

[sour wadi]

Leave it on the sn850

[blazing marten]

this is... disturbing

p41 on egg

[minor sun]

its worse than p41

[sour wadi]

Think that's the old intel provision that was sold to .... Sk hynix

[minor sun]

its also under hynix but its weird

hynix p41 good

[blazing marten]

oh, hynix p41 still on egg

thats good

[real lava]

yeah

that's another sk hynix brand

which is so weird

"plus" name but it's actually worse

[sour wadi]

Iirc the actual p41 platinum name is p41 plus platinum soo

[real lava]

ah

[small carbon]

Idk, all I see is "Platinum P41" while the QLC Solidigm has Plus after the P41 & don't seem to see either w/ both Plus & Plat in their name at least lol. Itchin for the Plat to arrive & check iops while its temporarily in a gen 3 adapter.

[sour wadi]

Oh nvm I'm imagining things

[pallid orchid]

hallucicndionating innit

[dense merlin]

Which is better, this or the mp33? https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07ZGJYLNL/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A25SITGFW0OQJA&psc=1

[fresh copper]

what is mp33

[dense merlin]

An ssd

[fresh copper]

both are same

m.2 = ssd

[dense merlin]

That's not really how ssds work

[fresh copper]

i saw on yt

[dense merlin]

Theyre the same type of ssd

But they do not perform the same

That's like saying the 3090 performs the same as the 3050 since they're both gpus

[fresh copper]

...

ssd < M.2?

[dense merlin]

M.2 ssds are still ssds

There are some sata drives that are better than bottom tier m.2 ssds

And then there are m.2 ssds that are better than other m.2 ssds

No two drives will perform exactly the same

[fresh copper]

ok

[dense merlin]

Which is why I'm asking how that drive compares to the mp33

[fresh copper]

when u told mp33 i was like u mean mp3 lol

[sour wadi]

Mp33

By a lil bit

[dense merlin]

So I got a great deal on a laptop off marketplace, but it just has a 1tb hdd

Do I get that silicon power drive, or a 256gb mp33 for $24 instead

512gb mp33 only in stock on newegg

I'm thinking mp33, since it's not going to be used for gaming

[sour wadi]

would grab the a60 500 personally

[dense merlin]

Kk

[dense merlin]

Even though it'll still have the hdd in it?

Actually

Might put the 500 in my laptop, and put the 128gb one from that one into this laptop

[sour wadi]

stonks

i mean the 500gb is only like 12$ more than the 250gb right?

[dense merlin]

Yeah

Just ordered it

Oh wait I think the ssd in my laptop might be sata

I'll check on that

[kind sierra]

Wait till you hear about all the other cool stuff you can plug into an m.2 connector

You can even get a little rpi2040 chip on m.2

So cute

[fresh copper]

🥵

[small carbon]

Anyone want to see a P41 at gen 2 vs gen 3? Just for testing when I forget a certain slot wasn't gen 3. Top row is gen 2. Wanted to see how bandwidth would effect iops/RND or not, and it barely did. The latency reading for sequentials of course cut in half also & such. idk about test size but yes I changed that, oops.

Nice! I dig it. Already 4x the GB on a DL test, all good so far. Back to internet being the 1st bottleneck and cpu sort of the 2nd. Yea I should've got a P31 for now but w/e.

[worn trail]

What SSD would be very good? M.2 only.

Currently considering getting 2x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro.

My use case is a even balanced between Gaming/Content creation and 3D modelling.

[real lava]

there's faster ssds than 980 pro

[dense merlin]

P41 pog

[worn trail]

Never heard of it.

[worn trail]

What would you recommend? Speed wise the 980 Pro does what I need though I can always benefit from faster read/write speeds.

[real lava]

sk hynix p41 is better

and there's adata s70 blade

[worn trail]

Total budget is about $400 for 4TB of storage.

[dense merlin]

Two s70s probably

If you need gen 4

[worn trail]

When are gen 5s coming out?

Just curious.

[worn trail]

Which do you recommend of the 2 options you said?

[sour wadi]

s70 blade 2tb for 210$

[worn trail]

The cheapest option for me is $256.

[nova wren]

Anyone know how to troubleshoot flash drive not recognized on laptop?

Wait..

Can a flash drive that only mentioned it had windows 10 compatibility be able to be used on a windows 11 device?

[real lava]

yes

[nova wren]

My sandisk cruzer isn't working for some reason.

Another datatraveler works tho for some reason.

[blazing musk]

How old is the USB that doesn't work?

[nova wren]

I bought it last year.

I think it might have been refurbished it was some deal on amazon.

[blazing musk]

SanDisk uses weak solder that gets brittle over time, but it wouldn't be that if it's only a year old

[nova wren]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EHG3GVM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

[blazing musk]

That listing didn't say anything about it being a refurb so it's probably ok there

Does the drive work on other computers? If so try other USB ports in the laptop

[nova wren]

I'll try that but I don't have any other computer at the moment because my pc's power supply is rmaed rn.

Actually wait I'll try that on another laptop.

Should I shut off before pulling the drive out?

[blazing musk]

Nah modern Windows knows how to deal with removing the drive

[nova wren]

Wait really?

You don't need to safely eject drive anymore?

[blazing musk]

It's still recommended but as long as you weren't just writing to the drive a few seconds before it should be safe, especially if the drive is NTFS or ext formatted

[nova wren]

Ah I see I never knew that. Thanks Falcie.

[red jay]

Yo not sure if this is a hundred percent the correct spot to ask but, I have not been able to access my ssd, when I click on it it says " c:\ is not accessible. Access is denied". I looked around on Google and it is because I don't have administrative permissions on my own computer, which was working fine for around a year before this happened and I was and should still be the administrator during that period.

[real lava]

Ah well

Windows decided to kill itself, I presume

It's time to reinstall windows

[red jay]

Damn

What if I already tried that, am I sol and just need to replace the ssd?

[real lava]

Perhaps

But it's worth trying a reinstall

[blazing musk]

That sounds suspiciously like a virus or dead drive

If it's a rootkit it could embed itself into the boot loader so even reinstalling doesn't work

One less serious possibility is the bios and windows aren't getting along, for example if the bios is set to UEFI only but windows was installed under the CSM.

[real lava]

ye

But if it's dead drive or rootkit..

Then you need a new drive

Or maybe even mobo depending on the rootkit

[red jay]

Unlucky

Well just wanted to make sure before I did anything else thank you both

[lost olive]

need help setting up a raid 0 for a asus z590 plus wifi and 3 m2 drives?

anyone help?

[red jay]

Do I need to unplug all of the other drives that I'm not wanting to use when I migrate my ssd to another ssd?

[small carbon]

If cloning, yes that's not a bad idea. Although we don't recommend cloning if you can help it.

[red jay]

@small carbon what's bad about cloning?

[blazing musk]

A few things. If the program doesn't do it correctly then the boot loader will fail for one. Then there's the pain of having to move and resize your partitions.

[fringe mesa]

When I used to work for geek squad a number of years back, went to show a client, how easy it is to break hard drive platters. I learned something very new that day! That some platters are actually made of glass, and that fingers do bleed a lot!

Those things crumble quite easily. Why on earth would a manufacturer use such material for a portable hard drive.

[kind sierra]

A few reasons, but the biggest one is that the material works very well for the precision manufacturing they need. They are fragile, but they're encased in metal and very well mounted so accidental shattering of platters is relatively rare. You're much more likely to get a crashed head

[real lava]

i even once dropped a laptop with its hdd still running

nothing happened, it ran like normal

[open gazelle]

Well 2.5" HDDs are much more picky about parking heads and stopping the platters so save energy and reduce risk of damage.

[real lava]

that's certainly true

[kind sierra]

Also accelerometers to detect free fall. Not all systems have them, but they're surprisingly common

[blazing musk]

Yeah if there's nothing worth the effort of saving off the old drive you're good to go

[red jay]

Gotcha thanks again 👍

[red jay]

Bios sees the new ssd, but it does not show up on the boot priority list even though it's the only storage device installed

[blazing musk]

It'll be the "windows boot manager"

[short igloo]

I need help choosing a NAS system for my video editing workflow.

[worn trail]

Will I be able to use a PCIe 4.0 SSD on a 5.0 mobo slot for next gen?

[kind sierra]

yes

[kind sierra]

Will you be using it for archival or clips that you're actively editing

[worn trail]

Thanks for letting me know.

[red jay]

is this fine for a drive?

[red jay]

cause im a little confused

does uncorrectable sector = bad sector?

[blazing musk]

Every drive has a certain amount of the disk set aside as "spare" sectors to reallocate in case one or more become damaged in some way.

You're still reporting as "good" health because you still have 0 reallocated sectors.

Everything else looks perfectly fine too

[red jay]

alright thanks

[ripe sandal]

Can possibly faulty hard drives that aren't the boot drive keep your computer from starting?

[minor sun]

In weird circumstances, maybe

Boot drive being faulty or anything like that can definitely stop you from booting

[ripe sandal]

I guess I can run a health check on both. I've had the mechanical Hard drive for 4 years, maybe its finally giving up.

[minor sun]

But other drives, it would probably have to be some sort of catastrophic failure

[ripe sandal]

Does CHKDSK command in command prompt work for SSDs?

[blazing musk]

Yes

[open gazelle]

Bad drives tend to make Windows slow down I find. So boot times tend to technically work, but take significantly longer. Windows itself can sometimes "randomly" softlock for a few minutes due to trying to access drive randomly (or if you try to access it yourself).

[manic dagger]

can i put RAID 0 on my boot drive?

[cyan needle]

How hot can a NVME get before it's considered to hot?

or rather.. What are the safe operating temps?

[formal tusk]

I'm not the best source for this reo

But I believe throttling starts in the 80's generally

And like, 93(???) Is some sort of a hard limit

They self regulate tho

Much like a cpu or gpu

[small carbon]

Throttle temp is a per drive thing & related mostly to full speed writing. P41 for instance doesn't throttle long as decent airflow & ambient temp.

[cyan needle]

Ok cool. I was just making sure that my NVME's aren't getting to hot at 55c

[mild sparrow]

so i have a 2tb hdd and i just put in my 1tb ssd how do i set it up so i can play and do stuff on my ssd but have stuff stored on my hdd

[small carbon]

Usually install windows to the ssd (w/ hdd unhooked), then later hook hdd back up. The quick suboptimal way is right click start button, hit disk management, right click new drive & "initialize" so it's usable.

[kind sierra]

If you have hardware raid than you probably could

[manic dagger]

like if i have 2 nvme drives

and i want both in raid and windows on drive 1

[kind sierra]

Wait, so you want the drives in raid, but windows to only be on one drive?

[manic dagger]

i mean I could have it on both. I'm justing asking if it's possible, not currently trying to do it

[kind sierra]

It'd be really really tricky, you'd have to partition each of the drives in exactly the same way, put windows on the smaller partition on the first drive, leave the small partition on the second drive blank, and then set up a software raid on both of the two bigger partitions

[manic dagger]

or i could just get a small ssd and be fine right? it wont bottleneck the other drives?

[small carbon]

Bingo, raid overall was much more beneficial to hdds (crappy "rnd" speeds). Plenty of people just don't bother. Plus there's the funny part of all my drives being different sizes, incl the missing 500GB sn550.

[worn trail]

Aside from redundancy, is there any benefit to running raid?

[minor sun]

Assuming like raid 1-5, it's just for redundancy

[blazing musk]

Raid 0 (more often a combo configuration like 10) does have practical uses in servers and certain workstation type workloads, but for most home users I wouldn't bother unless you have identical drives and just want to see one drive instead of two

[blazing marten]

yup, raid is a type of redundancy failsafe for servers, not something meaningful for a home user

[worn trail]

That's what I thought. I was curious because I heard from someone that raid increased the speed or the SSDs or something like that.

[minor sun]

Raid 0 can combine the speeds of multiple SSDs

[worn trail]

So if I had 2x 7400 read/write M.2 SSDs the read/write in Raid 0 will go up to 14800?

[kind sierra]

Theoretically yes, the maximum sequential speeds would depend a bit on the hardware/software implementation though. Where you'd notice things more is in random read/write and IOPs

[blissful night]

Has anyone here ever had issues with RaidExpert2 on an ASUS X570 motherboard? I have two 512 GB drives in a RAID 1 array and it shows up in the BIOS and all and when I go to install Windows Server 2022 it shows up as two separate drives and when I install the RAID driver no drives show up at all.

CSM disabled, Secure Boot enabled, BIOS updated, SATA Mode set to RAID NVMe, RAID enabled, no clue what is going on, I tried with CSM enabled also.

Also tried GPT and MBR Windows installer.

Tried ASUS's RAID driver off of their site and AMD's.

[blissful night]

Seems like enabling CSM and turning all of the options to UEFI only worked?

[real sapphire]

Yo I have a question so when I built my pc i was on a mega budget and went with 500gb storage (ik stupid I regret it ) anyways my mobo has one ssd slot and I'm a brand designer so I cant lose any files and I need way more storage! How would one go about transferring info including OS to another ssd without a second slot... Any help is MUCH appreciated! Thanks!

[blissful night]

Macrium Reflect and get an adapter that converts to USB 3.0 for whatever storage device you have.

There are tons of tutorials on how to use Macrium Reflect to clone a drive.

[real sapphire]

oh interesting @blissful night I'll check it out

Thanks!

[grizzled galleon]

So who can I talk to to see if the components I picked out for my first PC build are compatible and a good fit for what I need

[blazing musk]

#building-and-recc-chat

[fringe mesa]

Affirm is being dumb this week. Each order I placed today got declined by them, despite a 100% pay off history, to see my email that they did in fact approve each sale, but for some reason, their bot systems kicking out decline messages.

I already purchased using my own option, but find it ironic that my email is spammed with don't forget to complete order that's already placed lol

[grizzled galleon]

@blazing musk thanks

[worn trail]

What's a good 4tb SSD or NVMe storage?

[blazing musk]

The tier list in the pins has links to the best priced drives in each tier

[worn trail]

Thanks.

Does anyone know when PCIe 5.0 SSDs will be out?

I plan to get one for my boot drive.

[blazing musk]

November iirc

[worn trail]

Nvm then.

I do not that have much patience.

[blazing musk]

It's largely not worth it anyway unless you're doing things that actually need the bandwidth

[worn trail]

Just to double check.

[blazing musk]

Otherwise if you want the best of the best available now go for the P41 platinum

[worn trail]

PCIe 4.0 works in 5.0 slots?

[blazing musk]

Yes

[worn trail]

Will get 2x of these for my boot and tasks drive then.

And something else for my mass storage.

[candid hound]

I hope I'm posting in the right place. Apologies if not. I need help finding a new SSD HD for this old System76 machine. The manufacturer said the below:

"The intel motherboard in this system has SATA III ports but no m.2 slots. So you could take out the systems 7200rmp HDD and install a SATA III SSD. An NVME SSD will not work."

Could anyone point me to products on the site that will work here. The motherboard can be see here: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1750700/Loop-Lp-2150.html?page=3#manual

[dense merlin]

budget?

[candid hound]

not important, I want quality and compatibility

dont need more than 250 GB

[dense merlin]

how much storage do you need

ah

[candid hound]

I would buy a bigger one if it's my only option

The system was built in 2014

[dense merlin]

im actually not sure

[candid hound]

me either

[blazing musk]

We have a tier list in the pins that should give you an idea on what models are good

[candid hound]

I will look

how about a standard HD, not SSD. Could anyone point me to one that would work?

[blazing musk]

How much are you looking to spend?

[candid hound]

doesn't matter.

the less the better

[blazing musk]

Maybe this one then https://www.newegg.com/team-group-240gb-t-force-vulcan-z/p/N82E16820331831

[candid hound]

is that considered mSATA?

[blazing musk]

No? Just SATA

mSATA is a slotted card like a wifi chip

[candid hound]

ok

I'm getting closer

here's the board https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Q87TN-rev-10#ov

[blazing musk]

If you really wanted mSATA https://www.amazon.com/LEVEN-mSATA-256GB-30x50-9mm-Internal/dp/B08M64B83G

[candid hound]

it looks like the board can accomodate both: 4 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors (SATAIII 0/1/2/3).... AND...... 1 x mSATA 6Gb/s connector

I'm sorry I'm so dumb about this and appreciate your help

[sour wadi]

I'd just get a regular sata drive personally

[candid hound]

you mean not SSD?

[sour wadi]

Nono a sata ssd

[candid hound]

ok

[sour wadi]

What size you looking for?

[candid hound]

250 gb or so

this work? https://www.newegg.com/kingston-kc600-256gb/p/0D9-001B-002M0?Description=256G SSD KC600 SATA3 2.5"&cm_re=256G_SSD KC600 SATA3 2.5"-_-0D9-001B-002M0-_-Product&quicklink=true

[blazing musk]

More expensive than the one I linked

[blazing musk]

.

[candid hound]

ahhhh ok.... I'm gonna grab it then and give it a try

[small carbon]

@candid hound A common "normal" ssd (sata) that's been around 15ish years. Edit : sata power and/or data also was used for cd drives and hard drives.

[candid hound]

Thank you for that chillin

[candid hound]

bought it - thanks to all. I appreciate you

[balmy gazelle]

Browse all SSD capacity,, best for gaming

[opaque lantern]

Does any1 know any good boot drives?

It can be really small bc I have a 1tb for everything else

[small carbon]

250GB are often trash value so 500GB is pretty common, and there's tons to choose from. Sata MX500 & 870 evo or a few others, for m.2 (nvme) cheaper options are Teamgroup MP33 or MP34 and WD SN570. There's a ssd tier list in the pins.

[keen slate]

250gb is only good if people knows how to clean out their windows update downloads

If they don't know how to then that will fill up quick

[small carbon]

Nah it's mainly about price. After a year or so my 250GB boot drive still only about 120GB full, if not a bit less.

[sour wadi]

Use the 1tb as boot drive

[cyan needle]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-bunny-no-nope-nou-gif-14651222

[sour wadi]

1 drive so much easier tho

[open gazelle]

0 drive, use RAM disk ||/s||

[open gazelle]

I find that's more for 120gb drives. 250gb usually only gets bad if you dont manage files or programs correctly with the secondary drive.

Tho your main point still stands, if you dont know how to properly manage stuff <=250gb will fill up fast

[real lava]

I don't even manage files very well

Yet I don't fill up 120 gigs boot ssd

But imo 250 gigs or above is recommended

[worn trail]

Is there anyway to setup categories within my other drives kinda like how Windows has like Desktop, Docs, Etc?

I wanna try making my workspace cleaner.

[sour wadi]

I mean you can just seperate into folders yourself and you can pin them on to quick access like docs etc if you want

[worn trail]

Ooof, guess that's the only way.

[hallow owl]

What is the best cheapest gen 4 Nvme ssd?

[minor sun]

Depends on what you need it to do

Not all gen 4 drives are the same

[hallow owl]

im putting a parts list together for a 1100 dollar pc

[minor sun]

Why do you need a gen 4 drive then

[hallow owl]

so i just needed a good fast gen 4 nvme ssd

[minor sun]

Is there a specific reason you need a gen 4 drive

[hallow owl]

its for best price for performance

[minor sun]

Then grab a gen 3 drive

[hallow owl]

fast boot times etc

[minor sun]

Mp33 is almost half the price with very little practical difference

[hallow owl]

can you just give me a gen 4 drive and dont question

[minor sun]

Boot time doesn't scale linearly with speed

I'm trying to help you make a better decision

[hallow owl]

gen 3 is out of the option only gen 4

[minor sun]

Sn750 se is a gen 4 drive that's literally the same speed as gen 3 drives

[hallow owl]

i am making the better decision

[minor sun]

If you're only seeking the name, sn750 se

It's literally the same speed as most gen 3 drives

[hallow owl]

nvm your not helping lmao

just wanted another option besides a 980 pro

[minor sun]

P41

[hallow owl]

great

[minor sun]

If you're going to splurge money at least get what is arguably the best drive atm

[hallow owl]

exactly what i needed

[minor sun]

980 pro doesn't have bics or b47r

P41 gets b47r

[hallow owl]

alright

[kind sierra]

@hallow owl crucial p3 plus is another option

[minor sun]

p3 plus is relatively a lot worse, if they don't want the value option and just want to get a crazy drive, p41 is probably the best option

176l qlc and e21

[kind sierra]

But it's gen 4

[minor sun]

sn750 se is gen 4

[kind sierra]

Yup

[minor sun]

anyways, if you don't want a value drive, that's just how things are

go all the way to s70 blade/xs70 and beyond

[sour wadi]

Wd sn850x nice when around 220 for 2tb too

[kind sierra]

I'd say yes, but check the other big ones first

[worn trail]

What are some good Gen 4 NVMe SSDs?

looking to get a 1tb boot drive and a 2 or preferably 4tb work drive.

[minor sun]

budget?

[worn trail]

What kind of price range would I be looking at? Preferably below $200 for the boot drive, and around $400 for work drive.

Doesn't need to be the best of the best. But fast speed is prefered for video rendering and other rendering workloads.

[blazing musk]

The best of the best is only $260 for 2TB though

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yGTp99/sk-hynix-platinum-p41-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-shpp41-2000gm-2

[worn trail]

Do they have a 4tb version?

[minor sun]

1tb
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093DP3X4H
2tb fast boi
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09T2WNKNZ
4tb slow boi
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0962T6SZL

[blazing musk]

Not yet, it's fairly new

4TB top tier https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nsvdnQ/mushkin-gamma-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mknssdga4tb-d8

[worn trail]

Ooof.

Too expensive....

I guess I will get the 1tb drive and the 2tb drive then just get a 2nd 2tb drive later.

Does that seem good to you guys?

[minor sun]

I mean, do you really need that fast of a drive for work?

[blazing musk]

Lower priced 4TB drives are hard to find but this one is C tier https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9KhFf7/inland-platinum-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-4tb-qlc-nvme

[worn trail]

More preference as said.

[minor sun]

If it's just for storage you don't need to splurge

[worn trail]

Though fast is helpful as I do a lot of rendering workloads.

[minor sun]

qlc boi

Would do this for 4tb
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0962T6SZL

tlc boi is fun

[blazing musk]

A lot of C tier are QLC tho

Gotta save money somehow

[minor sun]

Just a btw windshields isn't updating the tier list

[minor sun]

the z340 is 50$ cheaper

[blazing musk]

Yeah

[minor sun]

so uh

tlc for cheaper than qlc, I'll take it

[blazing musk]

Oh yeah definitely, that's a B tier

I didn't click it lol

[minor sun]

lol

[worn trail]

Looking at the costs I will be better off getting the 2tb and then just getting another later on.

Compromise on the extra storage for now and get more later.

[minor sun]

I linked xs70 at 220$ for 2tb because e18&b47r, since no statement from innogrit on directstorage when phison did, otherwise s70 blade 2tb at 210$ is neat

[worn trail]

s70 or XS70?

nvme, just saw what you listed.

[minor sun]

both are good

[worn trail]

Does it come without the heatsink?

I plan to use the thermal pads on the mobo once I get one for the SSDs.

[minor sun]

s70 comes without, xs70 comes with

but you can take it off

[worn trail]

Got it.

Is the 2tb one better?

Speed wise.

[minor sun]

should be basically the same

[worn trail]

Wondering because I can get the s70 for around $30 less.

2tb variant.

[minor sun]

last I checked its 220$ vs 210$

[worn trail]

I am in MX.

Prices can vary.

But yeah.

$25 difference.

Do you think the XS70 is worth the difference?

[blazing musk]

Well in mexico the MX500 4tb (sata) is $9200 mxn ($460 usd) so yes I'd wait to get the better parts

[minor sun]

nah, performance basically the same, just technicality I was thinking about

[worn trail]

Got it.

I will get 1x 1tb s70 and 1x 2tb s70 for now then.

And get another 2tb s70 later on.

[blazing musk]

MP510 4tb is $15000 mxn

[worn trail]

No thank you....

That'd eat into my budget for my PC upgrade.

[open gazelle]

Yeah, generally gotta use main gSheets for specs and then look at reviews for anything noteworthy

[minor sun]

yea

[tight galleon]

hi

the PC uses about 150GB and so far I haven't downloaded a game or heavy software

[blazing musk]

Yeah, Windows is pretty bloated. They also install a bunch of games and apps the first time you connect to the internet. You can go into your programs list and uninstall a bunch of stuff like candy crush.

[nova wren]

What's a good price for a 2tb 970 evo plus? Is it even worth it over other ssds?

[small carbon]

Good price is $150, just like how P31 is good when $160ish. Getting a Sammy is like getting an evga gpu, it's partly reputation.

[olive glade]

no 4tb for games yet

[nova wren]

Ohh.

P31 is 160 rn on amazon.

[nova wren]

You have 4tb of games?

[cyan needle]

Thats not that much tbh.

[olive glade]

Some games are large..

Microsoft Flight Simulator is just 150gb

If the avrage size of games are 100gb that's just 40 games but since there are saves and such. It could be 38 games

[sour wadi]

That's still 26 ⅔ flight simulators

[sour wadi]

What's quite a lot of games

[formal tusk]

Or 9¾ harry potters

[sour wadi]

[formal tusk]

[verbal flame]

do i need to do smth or is it gonna be ded soon? i only use it for videos

[nova wren]

WHAT

[cyan needle]

I've had my PC for 6 months. I've already filled up a 1tb (minus the OS) and a 2tb.

[nova wren]

Damnn.

[cyan needle]

I can see within the year I will have 5tb filled up at least

[nova wren]

I have a 512 gb ssd that is almost filled up.

[small carbon]

It is actually quite a bit when most people have 1-2TB of total storage. Having dozens of extra games installed at once is a luxury. edit: somewhat excessive luxury, haha.

[nova wren]

But an 2 tb external harddrive that I bought is like at most 20% used.

[cyan needle]

https://tenor.com/view/mariah-carey-drinking-drink-time-wine-day-wine-gif-14720870

[nova wren]

https://tenor.com/view/kekhuh-kekw-gif-20353604

[cyan needle]

noice edit xD

I like to be able to play my games when I want to. I don't want to have to redownload them any time I want to play them

[small carbon]

Don't have to redownload what you don't uninstall on a whim. . There's many I just haven't installed yet obviously, lol.

[cyan needle]

I literally have my storage filled up with games that I haven't even touched yet tbh, but I went the last 7-8 years without being able to play any games so there are a lot I want to catch up on.

[small carbon]

Installing then not playing is sort of dumb, but I've done it w/ a few games. Sometimes to test DL/install speed and also the usual thing of how it's too ez to jump on the "usual" recent game of choice.

[cyan needle]

I happen to run off hotspot so it's one of those things that I would like to have it there ready to go when I want it.

[small carbon]

Ah, I get that. Just keeping my unplayed installed number decent, for now. The P41 only has 1 game on it currently.

[fresh copper]

https://www.amazon.in/Samsung-Internal-Solid-State-MZ-V8V1T0/dp/B08TJ2649W/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1UR9OIM02NUFG&keywords=1tb%2Bnvme&qid=1663834761&smid=A14CZOWI0VEHLG&sprefix=1tb%2Caps%2C352&sr=8-3&th=1 or https://www.amazon.in/Crucial-PCIe-NAND-NVMe-3500MB/dp/B0B25LZGGW/ref=sr_1_9?crid=1UR9OIM02NUFG&keywords=1tb%2Bnvme&qid=1663834761&smid=A14CZOWI0VEHLG&sprefix=1tb%2Caps%2C352&sr=8-9&th=1 what do i get?

what is better?

[cyan needle]

I don't see the Crucial P3 on the tier list, so I'd say the 980. Look up the Hynix P31 and see what the price is of that vs the 980

[dense merlin]

P3 is mp33 level iirc

Maybe a bit worse

[sour wadi]

Nah p3 is the new drive you're thinking of p1

P3 is more like a mp34 or something b tier

[sour wadi]

The cheaper one

[sturdy idol]

What is the recommended partition size for windows 10 boot?

[blazing musk]

Do you mean the EFI partition or the system partition?
512MB is good for EFI but you can do less if you're not doing multi boot, 300MB minimum iirc
System I'd say 64GB minimum

[fathom wharf]

I'm having a problem with my secondary hard drive A Seagate ‎ST8000NM0105 https://www.newegg.com/seagate-enterprise-capacity-3-5-st8000nm0105-8tb/p/N82E16822178846 its half filled with videos and it randomly starts to run the disk at 100% activity causing the videos to rubber ban my computer had a rough summer being very hot all the time and I'm worried the hard disk has been corrupted can anyone recommend a tool to check my hard drive to see if it has bad sectors?

[quiet gust]

check the disk with crystal disk info

and if you want you can also check the speeds with crystal disk mark

[fathom wharf]

thanks

[fringe mesa]

I'm trying to find a drive cave for my case. Amazon is reimbursing me for the cost, as I'm sure as heck, not taking my new system apart, just because some idiot returned it and kept one of the two cages.

I saw an item I never heard of, that looks quite interesting. Was wondering if it's like an NVME, or just listed in wrong section.

SilverStone Technology RL-FS212B Front Bay Hot-Swapable Hard Drive Enclosure https://a.co/d/aTlYNgO

Hot swap, yet it's tiny as heck. There another storage media like NVME?

[blazing musk]

It says it's 2.5" SAS, having a white background like that throws off perspective

[real lava]

^

[fringe mesa]

I finally figured out it was a rack for the 2.5 laptop drives.

Amazon is now swamped with the fake 16tb drives.

16TB External Hard Drive,Mobile SSD,Solid State Drive Portable,SSD Hard Drive Slim Storage Drive with USB 3.1 C Port for PC, Laptop and Mac https://a.co/d/cUkqg6y

Basically I keep getting distracted while trying to find a simple 3.5 drive cage

[fresh sky]

So I'm looking to expand my storage i already have an M.2 SSD

It's only 500GB tho because I got a good deal on it

Without swapping for another M.2 what should I get to expand the storage? (I'd like to stay away from external options if I can)

[minor sun]

What other slots do you have

Another m.2 slot? Only sata slots?

[fresh sky]

My mb only has one m.2 slot

[minor sun]

What's your budget

[fresh sky]

Well storage is one of the things i'm most lacking in right now so probably 100-125

[minor sun]

If you need a ton of straight up storage, 110$ after discount
https://www.newegg.com/toshiba-x300-hdwr460xzsta-6tb/p/N82E16822149787?Item=N82E16822149787
Badly priced SSD
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078211KBB
(For the same price you could grab like a mp33 1tb and an enclosure lol)

[fresh sky]

Those two hardly compare at all, you're getting like 6x the storage for only double the price

Now I just have to figure out how to install an internal hard drive

Thank you for your help

[cyan needle]

You're in the right place.

[fresh sky]

?

[minor sun]

Yea uh 2.5in drives are priced badly, NVMe drives are better priced... To install a hard drive, find where your 3.5in drive bays are, grab a SATA cable, grab sata power cable, and connect everything.

As always there's guides on YouTube if you need them

[small carbon]

If you have 1TB or less of games/stuff, I'll suggest trying the MX500 or such 1st. Bought a 6TB WD_Black recently & haven't hooked it up. Many modern games access the drive a fair bit, hdd might cause noticeable stutters. Plus, stuff opens quick on ssd. The big hdd is more for me to put 100% of old important styff on it & recycle a certain older hdd maybe.

[olive wadi]

🐌

[fresh sky]

Thank you all

[fringe mesa]

Adding the 14 spindles to my new build, even though they haven't been relinked to their appropriate programs, just being there added 3 minutes boot up time. Backing them all up and merging some, others if just old data, mothballing. I knew adding them would slow the system, but wow. First boot up the system beeped 5 times then never repeated it. Going to look up that code now.

[fringe mesa]

God I hate one drive at times like this. It used to allow you to activate it prior to doing anything. Windows 11 it activated and refuses to let me move the documents folder to correct location. Simple fix without having to mess with registry is booting up in safe mode, without networking. Let's see if this still works.

[fringe mesa]

I looked over the hard drives, ones I plan merging and taking out of the system, and noticed one that over a long period of time was running out of space, has like 20 of those 100mb partitions at the end of it, and it's not even an OS drive. Figure either at some point they got added with each big update, or wondering if there is a virus that causes that? I'm thinking of if it's a virus of some type, wondering if just booting the new system up with spindles connected, could infect the new system, even if I haven't accessed them physically. Might explain the eifi boot partition vanishing off of drive 0.

[fringe mesa]

Doing some research, and finding this issue often with others. What's wierd about it, is that everyone whose reported it, had this issue with the NVME and the mother board is always a gigabyte board. Sadly, they all show how to put the uefi boot partition back, which I already know how to do. What it doesn't state, is how to stop it from being moved onto another drive in the first place.

[calm blaze]

what's everyone's exp with m.2 NVMe expansion cards? My roommate has a mobo w/ just 1 NVMe slot, and he would like to add a cpl more as opposed to going w/ another SATA/HDD for storage

[sour wadi]

Yeah pcie to m.2 cards are a good option for that although usually pricey ime but I haven't looked in a while

[calm blaze]

it's his money, so i am not worried lol

[blazing musk]

I used a PCIe x4 to M.2 card for a while on my FX 8300 system, worked great and I could even boot off it no problem. Anything newer than that will be the same experience.

[sour wadi]

This looks decent for the price actually
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09XSY3JVS/

At least that gives them the option to do up to 4 drives

[calm blaze]

looks good, i was scanning 2-slot ones myself but the ability to scale up would def be nice

[sour wadi]

The problem with the dual ones i found where they where like 60$ or they where only pcie x4 which would limit the nvmes to pcie x2 each instead of x4 which they're supposed to have

[calm blaze]

ah gotcha, yeah he will be using the bottom PCIe x16 for sure

or maybe it's 8, will have to check

nope it's PCIe3.0x16, and top is 4.0x16 so he should be ok

[blazing musk]

You can get a cheaper 3.0 x16 card instead of a 4.0 one if the bottom slot is only 3.0

[calm blaze]

yeah he is using a Prime B550M-A/CSM mobo

hold a sec maybe not

yeah it's PRIME B450M-A, so not even 550

[blazing musk]

Lemme double check that the board does bifurcation

(splitting the x16 slot into x4 x4 x4 x4)

Some don't do it right

[calm blaze]

doesn't have another x16 slot it looks like, just 2 x1

[blazing musk]

Oh wait yeah if it's the M that means it's the micro that only has one x16 slot

[calm blaze]

yeah we're gonna have to go larger SATA or get him another board, oh well

ty for the info anyways

[blazing musk]

You can go SATA in RAID 0 and get speeds near nvme and use higher capacity stuff cheaper

Like a 6TB 2.5" SATA drive is a lot cheaper than a 6TB nvme

[calm blaze]

def something for him to consider

[sour wadi]

That was the cheapest one with more than one m.2 that allowed 4 lanes per ssd

That i could find

[blazing musk]

Yeah I looked and you're correct

4.0 is just a bonus for later I guess

[sour wadi]

Yup

[serene laurel]

Alright. I need a 1TB SSD to throw in my computer for macOS ahem for virtual machine experimentation and cross platform mobile development (there, that sounds a lot less illegal).

Is there anything under/around 50-65 bucks? At this point, it doesn’t matter if it’s sata or m.2, but if they’re the same specs and same speed and same price I’d prefer sata.

@ me if you have guidance to offer :) thenks

[blazing musk]

The old standby https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101

Performs good enough to use for a game drive or something when you're done playing with macos

[serene laurel]

Thanks fal! I’m glad that one is as cheap as it is.

[serene laurel]

After macOS, I might try some android compiling. Rawr piqued my interest and sent me some articles. And it takes 100s of GB of space that I don’t really have lol.

Although, if sickcodes/docker-osx works well enough for learning about making iOS apps, I may never need android stuff

[pallid orchid]

Im getting another phone today to dev on it from scratch i could send you my github commit history if ur interested so you can get a rough idea of how to start fresh

[serene laurel]

Ooh what phone?

[pallid orchid]

Samsung a50s

Getting it because it has literally 0 aosp development

[serene laurel]

Noice

I’m more interested in pixels, because of calyxOS, but if I ever go that route, I won’t have to do the dirty work. I need to know how to do the dirty work though.

Yeah if you send me the link to the repo or whatever, I’ll watch what happens!

[pallid orchid]

Sure ill dm you when i start work on it

[quiet gust]

Smol question
What is cache/dram on a SSD? Does it affect much performance for sata/nvmes?

[sour wadi]

sata yes, nvme no thanks to HMB which uses like 50mb of ram if you dont have dram cache, its like ram basically

[blazing musk]

There's good drives on the tier list that don't have DRAM

[minor sun]

do remember slc cache and dram are different things

dram is usually not use as a write cache

[blazing musk]

Correct, it's for metadata

[small carbon]

When people say dramless is bad, they should checkout the SN770 as 1 example to that not being true.

[open gazelle]

People still too use to SATA SSDs

DRAM more important cuz no HMB protocol on SATA

[serene laurel]

I was all worried about HMB, but actually it’s been just fine on the ssd I have

[small carbon]

Great dramless ssd > not-great dram ssd.

[real lava]

I mean, even a dramless sata ssd is fine enough

At least for me and my use case

It's used as an OS drive

[sour wadi]

Yeah but dram can make a larger diff on sata

[real sapphire]

yo anyone have a high speed 2tb+ ssd they recommend lmk thx! 😄

[dawn sand]

is this a good price

[sour wadi]

It's fine

[dawn sand]

okay

[real sapphire]

@dawn sand Are you wanting for a main build?

As your core storage?

[dawn sand]

I need pc to have a ssd it has hard drive for games

[real sapphire]

how big of a hard drive do you have?

[dawn sand]

4TB

[real sapphire]

Dang sweet why then do you need the ssd?

I mean ssd is faster but with that little of storage its not gonna do you a whole lot of good

[sour wadi]

Having your windows install on an ssd is a massive improvement over hdd

[real sapphire]

ah yeah but isnt it a lot to transfer an existing windows from a hdd to and ssd @sour wadi

[sour wadi]

Just reinstall

[real sapphire]

fair enough

[red jay]

Ok, I feel stupid. I bought a 6tb 3.5" hard drive and there is no hardware or cables. My PC is prebuilt. Can someone point me in the right direction to get the correct cables and possibly the mounting screws? Thank you all 🙂

[blazing musk]

The power supply should have the sata power cable attached already, then you just need the data cable. They're cheap. https://www.amazon.com/Cable-2-Pack-Inches-Locking-Drives/dp/B0B6H3RLTH

[red jay]

Thank you very much!!!!

[blazing musk]

As far as screws go you technically don't need them

But which ones you would need varies by the case and mount orientation

[red jay]

okay that is good to know.

[brisk dome]

Realized I have battlefield 4,5, and 2042, MW2019, and as of recently WW3 all installed at the same time

People ask me why I have 3tb of storage even though I pretty much exclusively play games

Guess my answer is indecisivenes on what war shooter to play

[manic dagger]

is it advisable if I have any modern SSD with just my windows install, and everything else goes on two speedy nvme's in RAID 0?

[real lava]

I myself don't feel safe about raid 0

But if you want, sure

[manic dagger]

I dont have anything too important on there, if so ill back it up to drive, it doesnt make the drives more likely to fail right?

[blazing musk]

They're not any more likely to fail but you do have double the chances of any single drive failing. Just keep backups of important stuff.

[real lava]

^

[dawn sand]

Raid 10 is that good

[blazing musk]

That's 2 striped drives mirrored, so it's as fast as 2 drives but redundant also. It requires 4 identical drives, or any multiple of 4.

It's good but impractical in other words

[dawn sand]

Mobos come with 4ssd slots haha

Raid good for if something fails

[blazing musk]

Sure, and there's expansion cards that convert PCIe 4.0 x16 into 4 x4 M.2 slots and you can run that whole set in RAID 10 if you wanted

For home users that need speed and error correcting capability you can just do RAID 5, using 3 drives. 2 are striped for speed/capacity and the third is used for parity data to make sure the data doesn't get corrupted.

[dawn sand]

Oh

[blazing musk]

5 does have the downside of not being able to help much in case of total drive failure but that's super rare anyway

[dawn sand]

Yea

[olive wadi]

using raid on a personal computer is not worth it

especially for a "normal" amount of storage

and raid can make things worse or irrecoverable if something fails depending on configuration

[minor sun]

Windshields no don't look at storage don't let it pull you in again

[blazing musk]

I'm totally not using raid 0 right now for my game drive.
They're a pair of cheap SATA drives (WD green) so the speed boost is nice.

[turbid torrent]

I'm tempted to go for this rn

[kind sierra]

Eh, it's not a crazy sale. The m370 is in the same general performance class as the mp33 and a60

[wind tide]

Hey I got a questing because I’ve got very little knowledge on pcs and stuff what storage should I get because my main has like 35gb left and I want to download other games so I would really appreciate some suggestions because I’m completely lost🫠

[cloud kiln]

so yeah, do you know what motherboard you have?

you can check by going into your start menu and searching "system information"

look down to "baseboard product" and that should be the motherboard

if you have an OEM (prebuilt computer from like, dell or hp), that might not help as much tbh lmao

i think the model of the desktop would be listed under system model, but i'm not sure if it will help me in this case still

[wind tide]

Nah I’m outside currently but when I come back I’ll keep this in mind :)

[wind tide]

ive got a B85M-E45

[real lava]

you have to get a sata hdd or ssd

the keyword here is sata, no nvme or pcie

[cloud kiln]

They do have pcie

Though no m.2

[real lava]

yeah

no m.2 pcie support

[wind tide]

BRUH

[cloud kiln]

I guess one option is to use a pcie m.2 riser

From like 4x to m.2

[wind tide]

hmm

[cloud kiln]

Your system is quite old

[wind tide]

yeah

[cloud kiln]

It uses ddr3

[wind tide]

yeah :(

it works pretty good tho

[cloud kiln]

Is your boot drive a hdd or is it a ssd

[wind tide]

ssd

yes

ssd

[cloud kiln]

Ok good