#peripherals-and-displays
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oh rip
theyre some of the best closeback under 500
Ye, I have them in my cart
ordered a zen can, gonna do an a/b comparison
HOly cow that thing can drive some cans lol
yea it got a price drop
kinda weird considering a lot of audiophile products got a price bump due to tariffs
its 20 more, but you would have to purchase a standalone dac
Yep
so more like 120 more or so depending on what you decide to go with
some ppl do mid range amp+dongle
then upgrade to a standalone dac in the future
optical gang
Yeah I have optical out but also don't want Realtek to have any control over anything lol
Any recommendations for a keyboard? I'm looking for TKL, Cherry MX Red, with PBT keycaps
pinned messages has a flowchart, if you have any further questions jus ask ๐
Gotcha, ty
np
the modi 3 is apparently about the same, but i like the look of this more
does that come with a remote too ?
dont know, but i dont really need a remote
but i also noticed that its usb powered, so i might not get it
hmmmmm do you think the e30 is worth 50 more than the modi 3+ tho?
from what im seeing i dont think it would be
not really tbh
from what i looked up, they e30 outperforms the competition but you wont really notice unless you d an a/b comparison
but schiit shipping prices might close up the gap a bit bc e30 is readily available on amazon
you could also join the zen dac train and use it as a dac
monolith makes good stuff too
so basically get whichever you like better
yea jus settle for the modi tbh
if you look into it more, its gonna harder to decide
i can vouch for it
its good lol
i have my amp gain set pretty high and jus use the remote to adjust volume
its op
my current "problem" is that the only dac ive seen that would look good with my amp is https://littledotus.com/?product=33
its old and not even that good anymore compared to the modi 3 lol
but its large and matches the mk3
but i cant find em used anywhere
then this makes me angry
because it sold for like nothing, and i just barely missed it
anyone know a good mouse? Im looking for something decent, works well for gameing, but i dont care about the gimicky rbg
is your amp able to sit on top of it perfectly or some ?
yeah and it looks SIIIIIIIIICK
that dac is huge lmao
it do be a decade old lmao
so its not even worth a hundred
but any place that still sells em lists them for msrp or more
what headphones are you runnin on tubes?
toooooooo late my pockets are already 398 dollars emptier
from the amp?
oof
i think the only expensive headphones id consider buying rn are teaks or sundaras
maybe aeons
taeks
probably closeback end game
But why closed back, hmm
Nice
teaks are godly
Have you used them
everyone says their some of the best bass headphones
there is really no other options at that price range for bass cans
raycons

hes back
yup
I am so confuse

did someone say RAYCON
how bad could a $12 tkl kit be from taobao
anyone have the Glorious model O wireless, looking to switch from my g305 since it is a bit too small
NOOOOOOO
Somehow I ordered the iFi Bluetooth DAC instead of the Zen Dac. Gotta wait until Monday now. ๐ฆ
What's a good wired/wireless keyboard with sturdy keys for less than $100?
hmmmm
idk maybe tecware phantom lineup?
the phantom tkl and full is braided wired
can also give it phantom shroud (case cover that is magnetic)
idk but somehow the phantom b68 ain't out globally yet?
idk but i can buy it here coz iirc tecware is a filipino brand
so yea
tecware phantoms is around the $50-60 pricepoint
idk if anne or ducky is still good, but hundredbucks would already give u a great keeb
@dense radish i suggest taking a look on tecware phantom or keychrons
keychrons is a lil more on expensive sub-100 side
phantoms seems to recieve nice reviews
and it's hotswappable iirc
ok so no phantom b68 globally yet
iirc they said maybe q2 2021 it'll go outside
but ig it's still just available here in ph
#Tecware #TecwareB68 #bangforthebuck
Tecware hits 2021 with a bang with its newest mechanical keyboard.
@00:00 intro
@00:11 Unboxing
@02:38 overview
@03:11 bluetooth
@03:22 keycaps, switches
@04:02 Disassemble, Reassemble
@04:41 fn combos, NKRO
@05:41 software
@06:20 RGB Effects
@07:21 typing test
@08:02 typing test deskmat
@09:26 stabilizer t...
yea the tkl is a good one too if u ever want a hotswap one
go for keychrons/redragon k530/royal kludges/geek gk61 (also known as skyloong, just diff name idk why)
there's some gk61 with gateron optical yellows and silvers that's great for gaming
Hmm, adding the Tecware Phantom + the color choice of swappable keys + choice of shroud comes to $87.
Which doesn't sound that bad a price.
@fluid dew I have a model o wireless, it's good, only complaint is squeaky scroll wheels
@wanton burrow keychron C2, which is ~60$ before shipping for hotswap, was in stock recently, hell, the non-hotswap is in stock right now for 50$ before shipping if necessary.
Ah wait, the Keychron's doing have Print Screen/Scroll Lock/Pause keys. That's a deal breaker for me.
Uh what
@dense radish what do you mean..? If you mean they don't have it, that depends on the board, the C2 is a full sized keyboard with prtscrn, scroll, numpad, everything
Here's a link to the c2
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-c2-wired-mechanical-keyboard?variant=32312448942169
Keychron C2 Mechanical Keyboard. Full-size 104-keys Layout. Connects via wired type-c cable and users can hot swap every switch in seconds with the hot-swappable version. Compatible with Mac, Windows, iOS, Android, Linux. Gateron Switches. 15+ RGB Backlight
The square, the mic and the light buttons atop the Insert/Home/PgUP keys replaced the keys I mentioned above.
imagine having a nav cluster 
nachos im gonna get a 40% person in here just to say something like "imagine having number keys"
@dense radish insert and home and all are still in there, the "square" is actually just print screen with a different symbol, I have a Keychron K8, windows natively recognizes that "square" key as print screen
@calm cobalt basically just depends on ur grip type, hand size, budget, etc
try reading pins
and if you don't know your hand size then measure it
and "low" budget really doesn't mean anything for anyone
Keyword ABOVE Insert and Home, not those keys themselves.
Those are the three buttons.
Who the heck doesn't? I have screen grabs to consider.
like cant you use use other ways of screenshotting
Not a fan of hotkeying.
tries
Wait, I can CHOOSE where to grab the image? That's cool. Still would like to keep the Print Screen.
i mean there's that and like window capture and full screen capture
different choices at the top
I noticed.
hi?
nice macbook air
Windows shift s
I gotta agree with the guy tho, prnt scrn is amazing
having a dedicated key for screenshots
I can't imagine moving to 60% ever
It's the sole reason I went TKL and bought a Keychron K8 over like a 60% board like a gk61
You have to manually crop though
Yeah
If you could set it to only capture one screen
LIES
Personally like win shift s more
Yeah you can just capture what you want with win shift s
fair, but I love having prtscr
TBH, when I'm in games, I just use Shadowplay
me too
Or for other stuff snipping tool
but I use lightshot for screenshots
I don't use shadowplay for pictures, but for videos
but anyways lightshot giving me a simple interface with a dedicated screenshot key allowing me to draw on the screenshot is amazing
AND I can take 1x1 pixel screenshots
like this
Frick you
@timber ridge loving these sundaras
the cable is kinda trash gonna order a different one but the sound very good
probably the first one but that spacebar sucks
have you tried putting foam in it
niceee, what dac/amp did you get, lowkey forgot what we recommended
he got zen dac iirc
ah
I ordered the wrong DAC last night. now I gotta wait until Monday Ordered the Bluetooth DAV instead of the ZEN on accident
oh no
why didnt you order from amazon?
Because I'm boycotting them
lol
i think theyre on newegg too
how long has it been
12 days?
I think
But the last thing it says
Tendered for delivery
Usps still says awaiting package
i would take all expected delivery dates with a grain of salt
I know
especially if its shipping from china
At this point I don't xare
i would expect like a month minimum
I'm not ordering headphones online anymore
good luck lol
Reason: Bad word usage
if it's from ali they just take forever in general it seems
amazon spoils us to an extent
this is your weekly reminder that I hope horrible things happen to Jeff Bezos
I wish all billionaires a very [expletive] die
Ye not a amazon fan either, amazon is my last choice ordering something
Yep
I did linsoul to be supportive
Screw that crap
Not buying from china again
Also linsoul says nothing about china shipping anywhere
Unless you look at the faq
Delivery legnth would be nice to see on the checkout page
imagine complaining about shipping 
It's just stupid
hey you do realize they call come from china right
right
like you realize that, right
I don't care
the only difference is how they manage the warehouse basically
yeah it all is
China

neutral face

zeal is giving away 8 $88 dollar gift cards in his discord bc of chinese new year
not a terrible idea to try to get in on that, why not
yeah minus shipping
droq spent 80$ on turquoise tealios for his 60%
ebay cable gang
although kind tempted to get a cable from cruzctrl its like $8 for a straight one or like 20 for bae yc8 aviator
smh ghost
gaf only good deskmat
bruhmat
gaf is like the abstract looking ones right
this came to mind https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ6Kz3DHlA6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
oh yeah the same dude ran both of them and both kinda similar
the gaf 910 weight looks killer https://www.instagram.com/p/CJLyrxwHUoX/
looks sick
you thinking of dino's?
why would I want shill merch
I will hurt you
GN has nice mats
sleep
lmao
tfw still awake
no sleep gang
do yall know any budget mice?
depends on your grip type
refer to the pinned messages to figure out your grip if you dont know it
Deathadder Chroma
@timber ridge whats the other amp?
zen can in the back
ic
i find the a50s a bit boring sometimes
zen can makes things a bit more lively
especially with the xbass
although even without it, i think it has more bass
Gonna try direct to PC via realtek now
Def not than my HyperX cans
HyperX also has more output at same volume level
zen really brings out the low end in the akgs
I read about break in also though
sub bass is wayyy more noticeable
Takes some time
some ppl think burn in is a myth
hell yeah gamer headphones
if you feel like youre lacking that, zen dac will fix that easily lmao
Well
I'm also connected to the HyperX USB dongle
Gonna try direct to output
Then again when my DAC gets here
OH wow
Direct to motherboard instead of Dongle is way different
Is an amp worth it or should I just keep my headphones as is?
depends on what gear you have
depends if u care abt stupid idiot baby audio stuff
but a dac/amp will make any headphones better
actually
i would invest in headphones b4 you dive in and get a dac etc
not even great headphones
razer literally makes like 2 products that can be considered good
and theyre both mice
pretty much
i mean their mousepads are ok
corsair does almost everything right but peripherals
and kinda hard to scew up a mousepad
the blade if you get one that doesnt break entirely?
so like
the blade with a 25% chance
dont they have a decent egpu
razer is down bad
theyre alr actually
i used to have a sonnet one
if u look tho theyre all expensive vs the other ones
like the saturn pro is objectively better
oof
except mice
yeah mice i guess
me when they use a noun as an adjective 
hmmmm
I need my DAC lol
Cuz right now the Revolvers sound better no matter what I do
i think my ears are slowly becoming more cursed
a lotta of stuff is starting to sound trash to me bc my gear
i thought i was gonna forsure like the zen can more bc it has more bass
Spent so many years playing music
now im not sure
ssenti ur ears aging in dog years
Listening to too much loud music lol
but i honestly dont lmao
man i wanna pick a pair of open backs but my pc has this dumb issue
so im most likely gonna spend on new parts
kuzu ears ?
what the heck is "hearing age"
prolly has to do with a persons audible frequency range
probably some degenerative scale of hearing ability associated with age
like apparently most old people cant hear sounds over 16khz
Yes, like mosquitos
Except I still can
I also take really good care of my ears. Any power equipment gets earplugs or muffs, etc
yea, its like the younger you are, the higher sounds you can hear
yup
i do stand next to lawn mowers and stuff without ear protection occasionally
I have to get hearing tests for my CDL
its bc how the hair sensory things are positioned
Doc always suprised at what I can hear
forgot the correct term for it
but the sensors that detect low end is behind the sensors that detect high end
Ahhhhh
There we go
Realtek Control Panel, DTS settings
Ohhhhh yeaaaaahhhhh
There we be
is it sounding better?
Ye, I found the PROPER settings for it
For some reason I had to go into Realtek DTS to get to the EQ
Already better
Linsey Stirling sounding good now
your hyperx dongle prob has a stock eq ment for the headset
It does
doesn't work well with the AKG's for sure
Muddy and poopy
Same ohm load, same size drivers in both sets of cans
akgs have the harman curve or whatever
apparently scientist did research and there is a specific sound that humans like
Need the DAC though for some more punch
and the akgs are tuned based off that graph
unfortunate that you ordered the wrong dac
xm4, qc35, pandas
ok thanks
ive always been wondering, is it airpod pros, or airpods pro
but really good earphones, and prob best anc earbud wise
im not recommending airpods pro
android user?
lance did u like the song i sent btw
yea
pog!
and cloud 2 wireless are a thing
which song,
regular cloud 2s are good for gaming standards
send to me
so they should be good too
lmao
Loud music gang
holy this amp is way better with edm etc
mean
90dB minimum
Ok, yeah, now they're sounding better than the HyperX revolvers
nicee
usually dont listen to edm but it was nice
and it wasnt too crazy
youre gonna get way more than sub bass punch
youre gonna get two left hooks and an uppercut lol
Fantastic
my home theater rattles the glasses on the wall lol
But it sounds soooooo good
sub bass is really nice
one reason why i love iems so much
my oh10 has a lot of sub bass
and its clean, doenst bleed into the mids really either
OH man the AKG IEM's that came with my Samsung are POG
I know you don't like EDM but check out Linsey Stirling. Fantastic violinist mixed with some electronica
i dont hate edm, i jus kinda grew out of it
but listening rn
ill try it with my akgs lol
Ye
oooo
tried without the bass boost it sounded good
but with it
gives it the extra oomph in the low end
Sigh. I'm realizing all my music sucks because it's old MP3 stuff
lili can prob help with that lol
I mean Spotify seems to be good quality too
yea spotify is a nice alternative
I could rerip all my stuff from CD
tidal has a wonky selection of songs and steaming from it uses a lot of internet
BUt i has no drive LMAO
I cry everytime a ad repeats, and idk abou tthe quality for some reason it bothers me, still cant figure out exactly why
My ears broken
I also realized WinAmp kinda sucks audio quality wise
Whatever processor they use isn't very good
Wow, Musicbee sounds good
Man, seems like Realtek can't drive these cans at all
Ahhhh, it's actually the DTS
Musicbee and foobar are nice
Lindsey Stirling heals my soul
So damn good
true
Iโve gotten myself hooked on undertronic remixes of popular songs right now
i need more songs from her
Lindsey Stirling needs a new Shatter Me
Or a song that is as good as it was anyways
i have a trinitron
get rekt
/s
i love crts
phat but the best color accuracy
and best black-levels in the dark
nani
Technically displays are peripherals so itโs fine
deal of a lifetime
??????
4000??????
wait
thats
maybe decent
but why do u need 4000 gat yellows
224 feet keyboard
In other news
Wife wants to keep the Bluetooth DAC for the home theater system since our receiver doesn't have Bluetooth. WIN!!!!
Yay!
the new 1000% ofc
its actually a decent price for hirose oranges lol
maybe
yeah
it was a few months ago when like half the population wasnt selling them so they were a little more
dracula going to r6 of color matching lets go
thats the owner/someone from dangkeebs
ig they are just using reddit as another way to sell and get maximum outreach
little weird but very smart
wat can cause this https://i.imgur.com/0D7IGB2.png
oh
I really wanted to use these switches in a few of my builds, but couldn't find them in stock in the US. So.. I did what any other rational person would and ordered bulk from Gateron. Now I definitely don't need 4000 switches (I've already subtracted what I needed from the total amount). Hopefully, there are other people in the community who want these as well. I'm asking retail + shipping for them.
ur right
Been doing some reading on USB DAC things
You using a USB 2.0 cable or 3.0?
2.0 port or 3.0 or doesn't matter?
mmm i think it was a 3.0
Ok good
Was doing some reading and even though DAC's don't use the bandwidth, 3.0 provides better signal
Now i'm paranoid mine will do it when it gets here lol
lol
So, found a couple more things
USB drivers can make or break the sound
If you're using windows versions, grab them from the mobo manufacturer
Grab a couple different versions just in case
lastly, people report great success with the iFi Defender. basically a ground loop eliminator https://www.amazon.com/iFi-iDefender-External-Ground-Eliminator/dp/B0849J33T9/ref=dp_prsubs_1?pd_rd_i=B0849J33T9&psc=1
rn I have 2 external soundcards, for schiit I have connected to pc via optical and for motu via usb 2/3 the problematic one atm is the motu rn i just tried lowering sample rate and upping buffer
Optical is electrically isolated from the PC
So if that works, but the Motu doesn't, it's a ground plane issue
Probably need an iFi Defender for that or USB drivers
still under investigation haha
I know for sure the Schitt Wyrd would fix your issue but $400 lol

ggs lol
She asked me what was wrong with it. I just said it was bluetooth and had no headphone jack and it was for connecting phones. She asked, could we use it on the home theater?
She's kinda awesome.
What the heck is a wife
ur wife is big brain

vintage becoming an ifi enthusiast
So I could also do HDMI sound into the receiver, better quality than optical
But, that may have to wait now
Monoprice, that's a name I haven't seen in a long, long time
Used to get all my cables there
mono price has some thick rca cables
i skipped monoprice bc i dont think the cable wil bend well for my stack
Yeah, thick cables not bendy
I used to have some CB coax that was probably 1/2" thick, maybe 5/8". Stuff REFUSED to bend
I think I will go either with topping e30 or mx3 for funsies
i think the biggest downside to my stack or the a50s in general is the small knob
ifi gives you a huge gain knob
if the l30 wasnt blowing up i would of bought that
Blowing up in popularity or literally

Tf
yea kinda insane
@timber ridge @queen sigil the glorious pbt keycaps colorways were announced
werent they like really ugly
If glorious doesnโt mess up with the plastic thickness and quality it could rival hkgaming
Sort of
The left center right justification is wack af
kinda wish i ordered my gmmk pro in black lol
And most of the colorways are just โfadesโ
Yh lots of people have been saying that in glor discord
i thought finding keycaps that would match would be easier in silver
but all the recent kits look good on black kits
Ramenstop
I got ramenstop with pink novelties
I think it will look good on a silver pro
kinda tempting bc of price
Yh
i have pbt islander rn
yup
Nice bro
exactly what im thinking rn
a lot of stuff doesnt really match unless i go with dolch or something similar
Also there are supposed to be more streams and vids about the goat stabs, qmk and via, the gasket mounting, and add ons such as plate and knob options
All coming soon
nice
Sound test is coming too
lowkey might not go thru with my order and maybe pick up a SIX5
with gmk maestro or civilization
yea forsure
I donโt think it will be a crappy product
jus i chose a cursed color lowkey
Even if glorious fricks up itโll be average
Night Sakura looked sick
i regret not ordering lol
There were some renders of night Sakura on a silver pro floating around on glorious discord
they gave a free set of extra alphas too
It was a while back though
Really? Thatโs nice
yea it looks good surprisingly
The alu looks really really wack
The teardown stream made me want to cry
its almost was like they didnt know if they wanted to go white or silver
and went in between with a meh color
The renders are so misleading too
and slate black looked more grey in renders
All the renders point towards it being more e white
or whatever the color is
im p sure its cheaper
130 base kit
Pretty average
yea
Does this stuff happen a lot now?
not a fan of dots really, but itll look good with silver
Also proprietary hotswap sockets is just such a cheap move from glorious
pce

pls buy me durgod hades 68 with gateron yellow switches
eBeGGInG
if you go with black switches you save like 30 bucks
wow my crp is finally in the states only another week wait now
this is interesting
gmk fuji is pretty nice
Tese blon bl05 sound good
o you should try every firmware
they all have slight dif sound sigs
i forgot which i liked most, but it was an older one
๐
Also, these AKG's are way more comfortable than my HyperX
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I'm officially the owner of a pair of Porta Pros now
And, after having used them for 5 minutes, they sound great. More thorough review coming later.
listen to electronic stuff on them
I also need to get Yaxi Pads.
yes theyre good
no problem lol
Where my model m bois at
was it worth the wait lol
hi
is the motospeed ck103 with red switches a good buy for 45 euros, or should i buy the ck104 for 39 euros with red or brown switches?
ew reds
its all perference
preference *
but there is a buying flow chart in pinned messages
are browns better than reds?
brown outemus have this loud spring sound i dont like but feel just like cherry mx switches
im looking to game alot and type a little and i need a silent switch, which onr of those do i buy?
i saw some outemu comparissons and reds were more silent tho
noise is gonna be really similar
i would jus pick based off of whether you like tactiles or not
what does it help with?
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that will help with gaming right?
i play fps alot and i think that will be helpful
ig it kinda helps
i dont think any switch is gonna hold you back really in fps
unless you get like 90g springs
ofc tho ๐
i actually was looking for a nice smooth switch at first but realized these are for mosly streamers soo
switches is all preference, get whatever you like/want
gaterons are smoother than outemu switches
yeah
reds are omega bad imo
Lighter springs almost make it feel as if the key stroke is shorter
Very uncomfortable imo
Leads to just non stop abrupt bottom out
I like typing with botteming out
I bottom out a lot, but I also use Blues right now.
Also, Porta Pros are a very fun headphone. They feel a bit more bass punchy than my UR40's, but they still sound very clean.
now all you need is kph30i and 75x
Tested the Porta Pros for Gaming, and they are quite competent.
Positional audio is plenty good in Apex
stop jerkin sub $50 headphones please
No
Most people can't afford the actually good stuff, so most of my recommendations are gonna be sub-50 bucks

they are a very nice headphone for budget
Does anyone have an idea on moyu restocks or know where I can get some? Aftermarket is fine ig
No everglide dark jades
oh lmfao
Iโm just considering getting bamboo leafs
I donโt know how they stack up to like a koala tho I want a more tactile one hence the moyu idea

I need to get a level up soon
Need to find a Blue Yeti i keep seeing people with those
They look so nice
Elgato wave 1 better
these kinda go hard tbh, still waiting on my topping d10s tho
anyone in the UK know where I can get a Logitech g915 TKL from (: cant find any
Could someone please link me to a place where I can buy that leg clip thingy that blocks the current flow of static electricity from your carpet? I forgot to save it.
they were on drop not too long ago
kinda hawt https://imgur.com/lt9poDs
daily clack "has" them but im waiting for restock
drop has them but they have their signature "light applied lube" on them
moyu blacks have a nice sound sig to them
if i were to get any other tactiles itll be them or boba thockys
moyus blacks are pretty hard to daily drive unless you like super hyper tactiles
yall and ur keychrons 
i like this one better https://mr.dramahooker.com/
ya
does author just have it on multiple domains for no reason
it was a joke about some drama with a bs claim on some switch and the dude was vietnamese so we had to use google translate and the insult translated to mr dramahooker
so somebody set that domain up as a joke
ohhhhh lol
but yeah goat is a really nice guy and has a ton of stuff about switches
no backsace
going on a 40%, not a daily driver
shall i schedule your next leave in 3 weeks? :P
lol
hello qt
dang he already left lol
turned edgy Sadge
how so
I wonder what abyss headphones are like
considering they're all $3k up probably all pretentious garbage ngl
how many more days til i3s
like a red dragon keyboard?
it literally does not tell me
like idek what to do, who to ask
idk something cheap that I can use
^
uh like 50 bucks
leo type too fast

laptop keeb+fractured finger nto helping
and for 50 bucks you can get a decent keyboard
oof
decent/good
got any recommendations??
id look at rk, tecware, and red dragon at that price point
i dont think eppomaker make keyboards that cheap but if they do then try that too
ok thanks
I won't cancel
Whoah, callin me qt ๐ฅบ
for the most part, all keebs around that price are pretty much the same
it'll automatically cancel if it takes too long then I get a refund I think
I seriously feel like I'm missing something
browns are more subdued afaik otherwise idk
ok thanks
๐
chances are the only options you're gonna have are reds, blues, and browns
Blues are the loudest
then browns then reds
i slightly wish I would've known that before getting this keyboard
maybe I'll get a reds one some day
browns and reds aren't that far off in sound
so reds are good if I want a quiet keyboard?
heads up if you see an aimpire d30 it's literally a topping e30 in a different box
its cheaper lol














