peripherals-and-displays

[swift lantern]

For one you're up selling

For two, SENNHEISER

[daring zenith]

I have 37x, is good :P

[swift lantern]

[timber ridge]

but its so easy to recommend

am i wrong

[swift lantern]

If it has the veil

[wintry shuttle]

What’s the difference in the 37/38 ?

[swift lantern]

It's de facto worse than any headset

[wintry shuttle]

Wired and wireless?

[timber ridge]

dont they have a bit of a v shape sig

[torn summit]

i dont need a ton of bass

just enough tbh

[timber ridge]

try k371

and an amp/dac

[swift lantern]

Sundaras are a safe recc as well

[daring zenith]

37x and 38x both wired

[torn summit]

and id like them to be good for gaming

[wintry shuttle]

Link?

[timber ridge]

that was for eman

[wintry shuttle]

What’s the difference then?

[swift lantern]

If you're just gaming for now you could go with dirt cheap headset

[wintry shuttle]

My bad

[timber ridge]

but you could use them too, youll need a separate mic tho

itll be 150+mic

[wintry shuttle]

Price no issue

[timber ridge]

and maybe dac/amp if you want a better experience

[torn summit]

i have a mic

[wintry shuttle]

Def want dac/amp as well

[timber ridge]

if you want the best experience for both of u without spending too much

get a k361/k371

and a zen dac

[daring zenith]

iirc a lot better imaging or something

[torn summit]

i can probably spend like 400 thats why i was looking at those 6xx

[timber ridge]

colton you need a mic, so youd have to get a q2u,wave, or fifine mic with it

[daring zenith]

For 38x over 37x, anyways, dedicated headphones and mic will likely get you better value

[wintry shuttle]

I might just do something cheap from bb for rn then order one

[swift lantern]

If you just need a dirt cheap headset go with cloud stinger

[timber ridge]

whats ur budget

[wintry shuttle]

300 or less

For cheap gaming

[timber ridge]

k361 or 371 + e10k or zen dac + fifine mic or q2u

[swift lantern]

For that I'd go fiio e10k, shp 9600 and a mod mic

Actually zen dac could squeeze into that budget too I think

[timber ridge]

yea, depends where he decides to put most of his money in

the other dude budget was 400

so sundaras are not an option

he needs a dac/amp

[swift lantern]

Ah

[timber ridge]

unless its 400 for headphones alone

[swift lantern]

Zen dac and m1060s?

Or 4xx, etc

Planars babyyy

[timber ridge]

arent m1060 power hungry ?

[wintry shuttle]

Can someone link me

[neon quartz]

colton#3872 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wintry shuttle]

I’m at work lol

Didn’t mean to cuss 🤭

[swift lantern]

50ohms and 96db/mw is kinda hungry

I think zen dac with a brick could handle it tho

[timber ridge]

https://www.amazon.com/AKG-K371-Closed-Back-Headphones-Production/dp/B08669D3TN/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=k371&qid=1612215912&s=electronics&sr=1-3 https://www.amazon.com/iFi-Zen-DAC-Converter-Unbalanced/dp/B07YZK5MDS/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-rsf1_0?cv_ct_cx=zen+dac&dchild=1&keywords=zen+dac&pd_rd_i=B07YZK5MDS&pd_rd_r=435d39f0-a6c8-43f4-ad92-2024deab9ef3&pd_rd_w=tKjwE&pd_rd_wg=HhJot&pf_rd_p=e0f994a8-a359-40a9-8917-dadca71c7184&pf_rd_r=7680H270Y7GBD9CFZ66S&psc=1&qid=1612215939&s=electronics&sr=1-1-526ea17f-3f73-4b50-8cd8-6acff948fa5a https://www.amazon.com/FIFINE-Microphone-Condenser-Headphone-Streaming/dp/B08P4LTX7Z/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=fifine+mic&qid=1612215979&s=electronics&sr=1-8

@real ridge

theyre 220, so he has space to splurge a bit more on the amp

[wintry shuttle]

Bet thank you

[timber ridge]

np

you can get a boom arm later if you need to

[jagged path]

yo guys, i have a question about a pcie extention to get more usb ports

i want to to power a monitor through it so i'd like to link it with my power suppply

[daring zenith]

what

[little crater]

what

[swift lantern]

monitors always require a power input

[jagged path]

Is there a place I can post a pic to explain better😅

[timber ridge]

you can dm it to me and ill send it here

[jagged path]

You know like, usb 3 can give images and power?

[daring zenith]

I'm confused, like, usb-c for monitor display?

[jagged path]

USB c I mean

Yeah

[daring zenith]

But monitor doesn't usually get power through usb-c

99% of monitors just plug into the wall

[swift lantern]

if you have a usb c compatible monitor it will still need an ac adapter of some kind

whether it be the chonky one or the circle one

[jagged path]

It's a graphic tablet, there is only one usb-c slot

[swift lantern]

ooohhh

[daring zenith]

oh a tablet

that's a different story

[swift lantern]

and you don't have usb c on the back of the pc normally I'm assuming

[jagged path]

I do, I already use it and I could plug it there, but I fear my motherboard is going to pull too much power

[swift lantern]

what?

no

[daring zenith]

uh

[swift lantern]

you could still get the expander if you wanted more usb c ports but the speed is dependent on your cpu

and it's pcie slot allocation

[timber ridge]

what difference would it make if you had pcie usb expansion thingy

it would still be drawing from the same source

[swift lantern]

yeah but also couldn't it be powered off of normal usb, if I'm not mistaken

[daring zenith]

It should give the same amount of power on pcie card and on just rear io

[jagged path]

I have a lot of things already plugged at the back of my PC. I also already have a PCIe usb expander. I'm looking to see if I can add one that would fit in the slot in the first pic. There are two usb plugs and one hdmi that I need to plug

[daring zenith]

I'm only finding really wacky usb-c cards for PCIe x1

[swift lantern]

I quite thoroughly do not understand

it seems like your setup already works

[daring zenith]

also, hdmi goes into graphics card

[jagged path]

Yeah it works, I just don't have any more usb ports on the back of my PC. I'd want to pop in an extender to free up some space (I only have one slot on my front io)

Yeah I have no problem for the hdmi

[swift lantern]

then in theory you should be able to just get a card and call it a day, depending on what all the devices are doing

if you know the layout of your lanes, have the tablet in the most powerful slot

[daring zenith]

This is the only x1 card that might work, and this just looks wacky asf
https://www.amazon.com/YEELIYA-Expansion-Expanding-Internal-Connector/dp/B0838XY4D2/

like

is that sata power and molex power? I don't even know

[swift lantern]

first of all, that doesn't even extend out the case

it's sideways

or.. maybe it does work

it just looks a bit short

[daring zenith]

it's stubby but I think it might fit

afterall why would you make the slot cover thing if it doesn't go in the slot cover place

but it's just wacky

[timber ridge]

looks wonky lol

[daring zenith]

I don't even know what the top bit plugs into

the cable gives me the impression it's molex?

oh wait

that's a internal usb 19pin?

[swift lantern]

I don't know why the cable would be necessary

oh usb controller right

[daring zenith]

what the hell is that cable that looks like molex then

[jagged path]

Cuz the extension I already have works well. It gets more power from a sata if needed. The only thing is that I don't want to pay 140$ to buy another one (and it doesn't fit in a pcie 1x)

[swift lantern]

ok do me a favor, what are all your usb devices

[jagged path]

Okay get ready:

1x keyboard
1x mouse
1x webcam
1x usb-c for transfer*
1x usb-a for transfer*
1x external drive
Now I add 2x for tablet, and I have a joystick set that is currently unplugged cuz I just moved my setup.
*I do data transfer quite often and the back of my PC is not that accessible

[wintry shuttle]

I ended up a BB and just got a steel series artics 7 so I can actually play til I can order a new one lol

[swift lantern]

the keyboard and mouse can definitely fit on one, maybe even webcam

[jagged path]

I got an arctis 7 too, it takes two usb ports, but I plug my mouse on the keyboard so it evens out

You mean on one extension?

[swift lantern]

why does the arctis 7 take two usb ports

ok if you get a 3.0 dongle, you could most definitely have the mouse, keyboard, and webcam all on one port

[jagged path]

It can take one, it's just it has a usb port on the keyboard. It's probably meant to plug a mouse there and it links back directly to the PC via another usb cable. 2usb in one, but it splits into two at the end

[swift lantern]

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Individual-Switches-Included-HB-UMP3/dp/B00TPMEOYM/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=sabrent+usb+hub+3.0&qid=1612217565&sr=8-4 plonk as many things as you can in this beaut

the arctis 7 being a bluetooth headset right? as in a single usb bluetooth connector?

[timber ridge]

arctis 7 is the wireless version of the arctis 5

[jagged path]

Wait I meant an apex 7, not arctis, my bad

The keyboard

[swift lantern]

get the dongle

[jagged path]

Yeah about that, I work from home and uhh... My power bar is already suffering... I have 2 monitors, a PC, a charger for laptop, a phone and a network switch. Ik it will sound pushy, but adding that behind my PC will create an event bigger nightmare of wires...

Oh and I forgot the external drive

[swift lantern]

well you could definitely run the keyboard, cam and mouse off of a dongle no problems, I don't see how that would be messier

probably even off of 2.0

keyboards and mice take almost no bandwidth

[jagged path]

The dongle has a power cable

[swift lantern]

yeah idk why

[calm cobalt]

Anyone know an affordable 3-1 DP multi monitor splitter

[swift lantern]

Oh the pictures don't show it very well but you CAN plug that in if you want more power

[calm cobalt]

https://www.amazon.com/Adaptermvp-Switcher-Splitter-Supports-Projector/dp/B07WZTKPM8/ref=sr_1_34?dchild=1&keywords=displayport+multi+monitor+splitter&qid=1612217574&s=electronics&sr=1-34 looking for something like this but for DP ports

[swift lantern]

from personal experience, just for fun, I have ran my rgb mouse and keyboard off of a single usb c port through a dongle and they worked fine

[jagged path]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07PH2WXKT/ref=sspa_mw_detail_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A29Y8OP2GPR7PE you think that could work?

[swift lantern]

almost definitely

if anything I think your usb controller will be the weak link and there's not much you can do about that

[jagged path]

I could run my transfer cables there too

Yeah... Ayt, thanks for the help!

[swift lantern]

there's also the option of extender cables for things you don't use very often

[jagged path]

Gnn... More cables...

[swift lantern]

velcro, my friend

twist ties even

[jagged path]

Like, the back of my PC is packed with cables, and velcro already

I'd put a picture here but I can't send It by myself so it's not worth the trouble. I work with so many things in a tight space

[swift lantern]

why do you use both usb a and c for transfer anyway

[jagged path]

The devices I use oblige

Recent phones with USB c, programming station uses c and a (programming circuit boards), old phones use a

[swift lantern]

or do they?

[jagged path]

And then I use those ports to charge my phone and headphones

[calm cobalt]

i use those

[jagged path]

I mean, I have one usb-c slot at the back for my headphones and I was gifted one of those for my front io recently

I'm going to take pictures, hold on

Want me to DM that to you @swift lantern?

[swift lantern]

Oh sure, I'm going to work now tho

[jagged path]

That's what I mean by packed

Np, I'm going to clean up that setup more, I need to find a way to make it look less horrible

[wintry shuttle]

Do y’all think the artic7s steel series are good enough to hold me over for a bit?

[little crater]

pog

[timber ridge]

depends on what you define good as

and what headphones are you gonna be running tubes on

[jagged path]

Those are the Bluetooth or wired ones?

[little crater]

for now, my dt 990 pros

[timber ridge]

ooo

[jagged path]

my friend has trouble with his arctis 5 and his chat mix, idk if they apply to the arctis 7

[timber ridge]

think id only consider tubes rn if i went with 6xx

and 99% of gamer headsets are bad

[jagged path]

then i'm curious, which one do you recommend?

[little crater]

i just want tubes with vinyl, ya know

[timber ridge]

ooo

what amp do you currently have?

[little crater]

im gonna get a metric ton of classical music records lol

[little crater]

im selling my evga nu audio card, so im using integrated audio rn

[timber ridge]

oof

[little crater]

the audio chip on the x299 is p good tho

[timber ridge]

250 ohm?

your dt990s

[little crater]

running my hd560s on the board audio

but yes, 250ohm dt 990

[timber ridge]

afaik, beyerdynamic scales p good with power

[little crater]

dt 990 suck without my evga nu card

the motherboard audio just isnt powerful enough

and audio goes crunk

[timber ridge]

rip

waiting for my dac

so i jus have my amp sitting in a box

using onboard audio lol

[last plinth]

getting this

Big pog

coming feb 4

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-KG251Q-Fbmidpx-Technology-UM-KX1AA-F03/dp/B07MJHMQ8W

[calm cobalt]

can anyone help me?

[jagged path]

It depends?

[swift lantern]

Bro you can still use the amp

[jagged path]

Oh about that

I have no experience there

[calm cobalt]

?

[timber ridge]

at that price?

[last plinth]

not at that price

169.99

[timber ridge]

no rca cables

[swift lantern]

Oh so waiting on dac AND rca cables

[timber ridge]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WVN6CWT/ref=twister_B08JQK7859?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

yea rca cables too

[swift lantern]

Oh the a50s

You haven't even gotten to experience the JUICE yet

[calm cobalt]

?

[timber ridge]

ifi gives u legit everything

rc cable

adapter

[timber ridge]

should jus ask ur question to see if anyone can help

[tight pulsar]

id get tubes if i wasnt getting planars sad

[swift lantern]

Thing about that

Depends on the planar

[timber ridge]

what are you getting nachos?

[swift lantern]

I bet hybrids could handle planars?

[timber ridge]

only hybrid that comes to mind is the vali or whatever

[jagged path]

Sound things, I don't know a lot

[tight pulsar]

sundaras and modi/magni or modius/magnius if i can get a good deal used for them

[calm cobalt]

its not for sound. Diplay ports arent for sound

[calm cobalt]

i have, multiple times

[jagged path]

Oh, I thought you were asking about amp things

I can check quickly

[white flame]

DP can be used for audio as much as HDMI tho

[timber ridge]

try asking in #old-monitors-and-tv

[calm cobalt]

posted

[timber ridge]

gl

[jagged path]

Only things I found were over 100$...

[timber ridge]

not really informative in that area so i cant help

[tight pulsar]

time to color correct fun

[tight pulsar]

hi yes keyboard

[timber ridge]

epic

nice to not see a fortnite keeb for once in this server

[daring zenith]

I went for it

[gloomy berry]

nice!

I'm grabbing a Zen and some AKG's soon

[timber ridge]

down the rabbit hole u go

[daring zenith]

tbh my next upgrade is prob like, zen dac and... dunno, heresy or smth for the amp&dac, 0 idea on what the headphones will be

[timber ridge]

picking headphones is a bit ez bc there arent as many options

[daring zenith]

no

[timber ridge]

iems options are almost endless

[daring zenith]

too many conflicting opinions

[timber ridge]

true

[daring zenith]

iems seem just ez tiers for what to get

[timber ridge]

if youre gonna be under 200

[tight pulsar]

theres like 4 iems i know so it seems easier

[timber ridge]

maybe 4xx or 400i

58x are nice too

[daring zenith]

I mean, if I'm gonna go big, I'm going to go big if I'm spending like 200$ for amp dac lmao

Dunno, just tossing options around

[tight pulsar]

dont u already have a dac and amp

[daring zenith]

just a fulla

so if I go big I'll go big

[timber ridge]

if youre going big then go modius magnius

[gloomy berry]

Pretty sure the Zen is about the same as that with no mic

[timber ridge]

or a50s/d50s

[daring zenith]

lol

Really? Dunno if it's just people slandering schiit, but I feel like the perception of the fulla pretty bad

[timber ridge]

d50/a50 is a really good stack too

[tight pulsar]

dunno how i feel about screens on dac/amps kinda funky

[daring zenith]

atm for everything pc related I'm just getting something good, hearing about better things, and just wanting to
INVEST

[timber ridge]

i dont plan on getting xlr so modius/magnius isnt an option

and its quite the unit

[tight pulsar]

if i get modius stack ill probably go se for a little cause i dont wanna spend like $50 on a bal cable lol

[timber ridge]

ye thats what i plan to do with my setup

[daring zenith]

SE?

[timber ridge]

single ended

[tight pulsar]

for the modius can you do xlr interconnects and se?

[timber ridge]

like run them both at the same time ?

[tight pulsar]

yeah xlr between the dac and amp and se out

didnt know if you had to use rca for se and xlr for balanced cause it has both for interconnects

[timber ridge]

i think you should be able to

i forgot they can connect by rca too

[tight pulsar]

okei well iron165 r2 is coming and geekhack isnt working

[wintry shuttle]

What do you mean?

These have the DTS X which isn’t bad. I got em for $120

[timber ridge]

was talking to a dif person

[thick plank]

Yea but we sucks on it

[sly warren]

DTS X is basically pointless on Headphones.

It effectively adds nothing to the experience.

[wintry shuttle]

Ah well the price wasn’t bad and I needed some ASAP

[tight pulsar]

ya ik se isnt great on the modius it wouldnt be a long term solution

[buoyant patrol]

Anyone here knows which bios setup i need to just turn on one usb while Pc is off so i can charge my wireless mouse while pc is shuts off

[sly warren]

Koss UR40's are stupid cheap and probably offer a 200% increase in sound quality.

[sly warren]

Just don't turn your PC off.

[buoyant patrol]

Lol

[tight pulsar]

man mint dolch extra mods look so nice shame theyre impossible to get now :/ https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/eVayKL0K1WNm

[white flame]

@buoyant patrol It depends on your motherboard, MSI has a utility that enables USB when powered off for example, but must be installed

[buoyant patrol]

My mobo is asus rog dark hero

[queen sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-shookt-shocked-gif-5580082

[timber ridge]

leo are u getting gmk birch ?

[timber ridge]

se should power most headphones perfectly fine

[queen sigil]

probs not

Im probs gonna order a keycap set when I get interested in a new board

but that's gonna be a while

[timber ridge]

gmk tuzi looks ok

[tight pulsar]

tuzi is not okay it is the best set

[swift lantern]

Se can power all mortal headphones

[white flame]

@buoyant patrol Turn off EuP in AI tweaker
If that doesn't work, set sleep state to S3 and simply use sleep mode so it's still on, but on very low power mode
(The S3 sleep state is in: Power Management Setup, at the top will be: ACPI Suspend Type, set to S3, Save and Exit)

[timber ridge]

gmk seafarer look p op

and i feel like gmk tuzi is missing something

or something is off

like 1 minor thing that is holding it back

[queen sigil]

The only things i really have in mind for my next build is like

Cold colors and durock linears

not really putting much thought into it atm

[timber ridge]

wdym by cold color

the theme of it?

[queen sigil]

yesh just cold colors

[timber ridge]

ic

durock pom arent that much dif

from what i heard

[west hornet]

do i just buy a dynamic mic so i don't have to deal with these horrors

[timber ridge]

what dynamic mic did you have in mind ?

[west hornet]

no clue maybe a procaster, re320 or something

i literally have no clue how to fix this issue with my phantom power, it keeps surging. I've been playing with the humidity levels, temperature, circuit breakers, dismantling things, moving locations and i just can't get rid of this problem in my room

[timber ridge]

re320 seems p nice

isnt there a similar mic by the same company

forgot the model name

[west hornet]

re20

[timber ridge]

wouldnt it be cheaper to try a dif amp

[west hornet]

I have a 2 on hand and had one replaced already with no luck

[timber ridge]

rip

do you know if the phantom power is the reason ?

[west hornet]

i haven't the faintest clue how to fix this, while I see exactly 0 people on forums and other communities that have or know anyone that has seen this

atm it seems like phantom power is the issue

[timber ridge]

i would jus test ur luck with a dynamic then

[west hornet]

i really don't feel like spending money now but this is just driving me crazy

[timber ridge]

maybe trying a budget mic ?

or budget ish

[rugged lion]

Durock = jwk

[west hornet]

i could do possibly sm57

[timber ridge]

have you looked into the pd70?

kinda like a budget sm7b

[west hornet]

no i don't think ive seen it yet

[timber ridge]

its like 130 i think

[queen sigil]

tbh

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=4282

i really like these colors

[tight pulsar]

the legends make me want to die

[queen sigil]

i mean it's ducky

I just like the colors

one day I will have comic sans keyboard

[tight pulsar]

get denim ez

[timber ridge]

gmk stargaze has dark colors

[spark canopy]

hey so is there any way I could convert my logitech g pro x headset to wireless at all lol

[queen sigil]

maybe a dongle

dunno if those exists

[spark canopy]

im getting kinda tired of my cable but it was $130 so i dont really just wanna get rid of it yk lol

what should i search for

[queen sigil]

does it have a detachable cable

[spark canopy]

yeah

[queen sigil]

they probs exist

but I don't know any]

[spark canopy]

kk i'll keep looking lol

[queen sigil]

who do I go to now that dino is dead

[timber ridge]

what do u need help with lol

[queen sigil]

oh i dont need help

but who do i tag when someone else needs help

[timber ridge]

idk

gl with that

i can kinda help but idk nowhere as much as dino

[queen sigil]

[timber ridge]

rip dino

[hushed root]

What is this place??

[abstract shard]

w33b land

[vernal plinth]

Gah

[small nimbus]

is that yours

[tight pulsar]

no

[small nimbus]

what's the thing in the top left?

like numpad?

[tight pulsar]

macropad from rama

[small nimbus]

hmmmm interesting

didn't know macro pad was a thing

[queen sigil]

order still isnt shipped

[timber ridge]

do u have the rest of parts ready ?

[queen sigil]

lol

no

[timber ridge]

ggs

[queen sigil]

i mean i have all the parts

[timber ridge]

the rgbs on the kbd67 is bright

theres a mini gap between the top and bottom of the case where rgb barely shines out of

you can only see it if you look for it/at certain angles

[queen sigil]

im gonna decide on lubed feker pandas or gateron milky caps

[timber ridge]

o and stock stabs looked lubed

im tempted to throw in t1s for time being

[queen sigil]

im probs gonna relube

[timber ridge]

but ill be patient

[queen sigil]

bruh i mean

[timber ridge]

ima test b4 relubing

[queen sigil]

why wouldnt you just throw parts into the keeb

a d stop using the durgod

[timber ridge]

the durgod is actually a really good keeb

and with the kbd67, they want you to take the pcb

and hold the back of it while putting in switches

lowkey a pain

[queen sigil]

do gaskets come preinstalled?

[timber ridge]

didnt open it yet

but im p sure

dont see anything in the ziploc for it

i was expecting some flex but its solid

[queen sigil]

in the plate?

or case

[timber ridge]

plate

https://youtu.be/03E5yROMCI4?t=282

stock stabs

i havent tested mine but his sound super good

[queen sigil]

i feel like alot of people gonna rock caps on the 67 lite

because of the bfcm deal

[timber ridge]

probably, sounds a bit scratchy tho

stock atleast

[queen sigil]

"i can lube 10-15 switches an hour"

bruh taeha slow

[timber ridge]

bruh

is he lubing the entire time ?

[queen sigil]

he said that in his new vis

vid

[timber ridge]

bruh

with a lub station you should be able to do like 15 in 10 minutes

[queen sigil]

"i like chaos"

but i mean taeha does his switches alot more carefully

like i just brush off extra lube

but he gets like the oerfect amount of lube from the start

[timber ridge]

true, but outcome is gonna be barely a dif

[frigid night]

if your keyboard doesnt have rgb are you really a gamer

[elder pumice]

im on the hunt for a PBT double shot keyset - im looking to get a keychron k4 v2 so im tryna find an ansi-layout keyset. Yall got any recommendations?

[tight pulsar]

uh depends on the price a lot

cause without a budget id recommend a sav NOS board on ebay for about 4k and use those keycaps

[elder pumice]

a sav NOS board?

i have no idea what that is lol

[tight pulsar]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cherry-G81-3100-SAV-New/164590586977?hash=item26525d0c61:g:D0cAAOSwPDtf3evc&autorefresh=true

[neon quartz]

noxisitea#6937 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[elder pumice]

oop

holy shiesse

yahhh my budget for keycaps is like $60 lmao

[daring zenith]

@queen sigil is there any way to add stabs to a laptop membrane keyboard

because this space bar just not actuating when I press the sides

makes me want to throw the laptop out the window

[tight pulsar]

ya sav/sau prices are really high cause of the rarity

good conditions ones look killer tho

[elder pumice]

true true, but looks like i'll be steering clear of them unfortunately... i'm doing a room and pc makeover and that entire thing is costing me ~$3,900

cant blow all my budget on keycaps lol

[tight pulsar]

haha yeah i get that

its just really hard to give suggestions with keyboards without saying budget so when somebody does ill give really expensive suggestions as a joke

nice friend got his proto in https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734745295501524996/806185438565236736/P_20210202_103205.jpg

[brisk parcel]

what I do when I'm doing school work

[daring zenith]

smh you don't listen to garand pings?

[brisk parcel]

no, sorry 😦

I'll do that next

after the vietnam war sounds are done

[daring zenith]

this is good @brisk parcel
https://youtu.be/6I8gGe1JVgc

[brisk parcel]

HALLELUJAH

I'M WORKING ON AN OP-ED ESSAY

and I get to pick ANY topic I want!

Time to talk about fortnuts opinion that double-sided planars are IMPOSSIBLE and refute it with EVIDENCE AND FACTS!

YES!

WOOT WOOT

[cobalt nova]

gaming

[brisk parcel]

that's an option too

will most likely talk about audio in general

just something I enjoy

[tight pulsar]

oh no

[brisk parcel]

oh YES

[queen sigil]

plot twist your professor is also an audiophile

[brisk parcel]

never know

would be fun

someone in my speech class is also an audiophile, it's fun talking to them

[west hornet]

im just a guy that seems to always have the strangest issues that no one can figure out 😔

[brisk parcel]

it's fine everything's fine

[tawdry ravine]

steelseries support is garbage and I need to get a new headset which do y’all recommend wired or wireless

[sly warren]

I recommend not a headset.

[tawdry ravine]

then what

[sly warren]

Step 1 in Skiptrace's Gaming Audio on a Budget.

https://www.amazon.com/Koss-UR40-Collapsible-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B00006JILE

These headphones will smoke basically anything sub 250 USD.

[timber ridge]

mic and headphones

and thats a bit of a bold statement

[queen sigil]

what

[sly warren]

Step 2: https://www.amazon.com/Meizu-MasterHIFI-Converter-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B08H89VZKQ/ref=sr_1_1

This DAC is a great little addition to clean up your audio, Motherboard Audio is pretty crap, even on high-end motherboards.

[queen sigil]

step 1 pc37x

[sly warren]

Step 3: https://www.amazon.com/Samson-Mic-Portable-Condenser-Microphone/dp/B001R76D42/ref=sr_1_3

or

https://www.amazon.com/Antlion-Audio-Attachable-Noise-Cancelling-Playstation/dp/B07YN25KWN/ref=sr_1_3

[queen sigil]

step 2

[sly warren]

PC37X worse than UR40

100% straight up worse.

I owned PC37X's for a year, positional audio accuracy is whack on PC37X's

UR40's? Perfect accuracy on positional audio.

[queen sigil]

except you need to find a space where the average consumer is gonna be fine with what you recommend

[sly warren]

I play Siege, CS:GO, Insurgency Sandstorm, Apex, PUBG, etc. All of them were garbage on positional audio on my PC37X's. My UR40's are crystal clear and I have gotten a ton more kills just based on me being able to hear my audio queues properly.

I mean, my setup is cheaper than a PC37X and absolutely demolishes it.

[timber ridge]

Step 1 for Lance's gaming audio setup
HE 1

[daring zenith]

@sly warren I'm getting a ur40 on Thursday that I will be able to compare with PC37x :)

And then I can compare Meizu against Schiit fulla

[sly warren]

It's 104.39 USD before Tax and Shipping to get my setup. While a pair of PC37X's go for 130.00 USD

[daring zenith]

PC37x was 90$ on sale, 120$ full

[sly warren]

Well, Drop is OOS, and Amazon has them for 130.00

And, the setup is upgradable.

You want to get new Headphones? Alright get you a pair of HD560S's or HiFiMan 400i's or, Sundaras, or really whatever, and the Meizu Dongle will happily chug along.

[queen sigil]

still, chances are if someone's buying a gaming headset, they probs dont want something that looks like ur40s

[sly warren]

Looks don't matter when it's gonna be on your head.

Like, come on be reasonable.

If it's on your head where you can't see it, why do you realistically care what it looks like?

The sole reason why RGB exists on Gaming headsets and the back of monitors is because Gamers are absolute imbeciles who will buy literally anything with the word RGB

[queen sigil]

lol thats like recommending porta pros to like a 12 year old

chances are, people are gonna care about how something looks

reguardless of what the use is

[sly warren]

I would recommend Porta Pros to literally any human being who asks me "What are good headphones for portable use"

[tawdry ravine]

I care about looks😂

[queen sigil]

If someone is buying a gaming headset, odds are they don't care about just the best audio quality

[sly warren]

Why do you care about looks?

[queen sigil]

bruh

[sly warren]

It's sitting on your head where your eyeballs can't see it.

[timber ridge]

enthusiast advice vs regular consumer

[tawdry ravine]

who cares about that looks are still everything in a product

[queen sigil]

I mean why wear clothes when you usually aren't looking about your own clothes

[sly warren]

Looks are like, 20% of a product

[neon quartz]

ChaosWarfare24#2785 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sly warren]

Performance is 99.99% of a product.

[queen sigil]

lol yeah

for you

[sly warren]

For everyone

[queen sigil]

Not everybody is a diehard audiophile

[tawdry ravine]

sounds like you have the ugliest stuff lmao

[timber ridge]

chaos what was ur budget again ?

[queen sigil]

another reason people like stuff like pudding keycaps

[sly warren]

I mean, my PC is a work of art, and the UR40s are not ugly by any stretch of the imagination.

[tawdry ravine]

$250-300 depends on where I can get student discounts

[queen sigil]

congrats

you have an opinion

bruh

[sly warren]

Opinions are stupid.

[queen sigil]

like

[tawdry ravine]

if I were an audiophile i’d spend way more than $50 on a setup

[queen sigil]

not everybody thinks ur40s look good

and i'd argue most people think they look ugly

[sly warren]

But they also don't look bad, and they SIT ON YOUR HEAD.

You physically can't see them

[timber ridge]

my recommendation for the best bang for the buck is k361 or k371 + e10k or zen dac + fifine mic or q2u

spend more where you think u need to

[queen sigil]

and keyboards are under your hands

[sly warren]

I would skip the E10K

[queen sigil]

yet people get nice looking ones

[sly warren]

Meizu Dong beats it

[queen sigil]

it literally doesn't matter about if it sits on your head

[sly warren]

Zen DAC isn't needed until you hit the range of like, Sundaras

[queen sigil]

if it looks good, people are gonna want it

[sly warren]

Meizu Dong will happily drive K361s

[queen sigil]

and people generally don't want an ugly product

reguardless of what it's use is

[tawdry ravine]

look at streamers😂

[timber ridge]

yea, but zen dac/e10k gives the headphones some extra oomph

[tight pulsar]

hm whats happening here

[queen sigil]

Again, audiophile opinion vs normal opinion

[sly warren]

Not really

[tawdry ravine]

if they have a sponsorship the first thing they get is headphones

[queen sigil]

u need to like find the middleground

[tawdry ravine]

to market for a company

[sly warren]

I have already

[tawdry ravine]

I was thinking astro a40s with dac

[sly warren]

NO

[queen sigil]

bruh ur talking about how looks shouldnt matter

[sly warren]

Bad

[queen sigil]

[timber ridge]

i would skip astros

and most gaming headsets

[sly warren]

Astro makes literal dumpster garbage

[tawdry ravine]

I mean I thought they sounded great when I used them before

[sly warren]

Most decent "audiophile" cheap gear is gonna thrash the Astros

[timber ridge]

k361+zen dac+fifine mic

[sly warren]

Like, Creative Aurvana Live SEs would thrash Astros

[timber ridge]

really good budget combo

[sly warren]

Skip the Zen DAC

Meizu dongle is cheaper and basically the same power level

[timber ridge]

since when can a meizu dongle compare to a zen dac?

[sly warren]

Since forever

I know people who just toss an amp on top of their Meizu Dongle and use Sundaras

[timber ridge]

exactly

[sly warren]

And they already have a Schiit DAC

[timber ridge]

zen dac is an amp and dac

[sly warren]

Not really...

[timber ridge]

it literally is

[sly warren]

It's very much a mediocre Amp, and a Good DAC.

I wouldn't trust Sundaras with only a Zen DAC

[timber ridge]

yea but we're talking budget

and you can always add an amp ontop of the zen dac

its jus a starting place

[sly warren]

Yeah, but K361s sound great out of a Meizu Dong alone.

And the Meizu Dong can be used portably if they have an Android device.

Or a MacBook, or anything with USB C

[timber ridge]

well obviously someone whos looking for a portable setup would not look into a zen dac

[swift lantern]

The zen dac is also an amp, it's a combo unit

Misleading naming, and it has balanced output

You can plug a power brick into it, it will power sundaras fine

[timber ridge]

we need one more person who helps with audio

[brisk parcel]

@tawdry ravine what's your budget?

feel free to @ me with responses btw

I don't check here too often

[tawdry ravine]

$250-300 depending on student discounts

[brisk parcel]

okay okay, not too bad

you looking for portable? I saw it thrown around a little

[tawdry ravine]

no it’s only for my pc

@brisk parcel

[brisk parcel]

aight

lemme see, I got a combo you might enjoy

so the zen dac/amp combo plus 58Xs, or HE-4XXs

they're about the same price, zen dac is $130, each can is $170-160

180*

so right around your budget of $300

both are great options, would you rather have more space/neutral response? or a more closed-in, but more positional and mid-focused headphone?

[swift lantern]

4xx

[brisk parcel]

mid-focused being like vocal range, things in the instrument range, etc

[swift lantern]

[brisk parcel]

kuzu

hush now

😂

[swift lantern]

[brisk parcel]

hush kitten

but yeah @tawdry ravine , zen dac or 58X/4XX depending on preference, look at what I just said and that'll help

[brisk parcel]

I have discovered that fortnut is better known as Popcrn

[tight pulsar]

yeah

[brisk parcel]

oh yeah

[daring zenith]

fun

[brisk parcel]

wallstreetbets baby

we goin to the moon

[swift lantern]

oh you haven't been banned from hphq?

impressive

[brisk parcel]

no lmao

[daring zenith]

Why would you be

[brisk parcel]

people told me I had an actually good audio setup

[swift lantern]

they will ban you at the drop of a hat

[brisk parcel]

aside from selling my 58X for 6XX

[swift lantern]

bad move, that was

[daring zenith]

@brisk parcel is 58x better than 6xx at something?

[tight pulsar]

no kuzu just hates the 6xx

[brisk parcel]

no, techincally the 6XX are only worse in one category

they're not as "fun"

[daring zenith]

"fun" in what way?

58x just look mediocre in general

huh

[swift lantern]

idk if 58x are but 6xx definitely aren't fun

veiled garbage

you know audiophiles are a lost cause when "fun" isn't the ideal of what they want

[west hornet]

mmm

[swift lantern]

[tight pulsar]

wut

[brisk parcel]

@daring zenith hard to explain

idk they're more laid back

[west hornet]

you are one of the oddities kuzu xD

[daring zenith]

if it's more unique, that's fun

[tight pulsar]

if you ask keyboard people if they want a rgb keyboard or a jane v2 they arent gonna pick the fun rgb one

[brisk parcel]

yeah

they're more unique

[swift lantern]

oddity in that I pursue to actually enjoy my music

[west hornet]

+20db bass?

hmm this is nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WVXk0Gz66E

[timber ridge]

58x has better sub bass and bass extension compared to the 6xx

6xx has better mids/details

[swift lantern]

I'd be curious to try the akg offerings

their iems are p good

[timber ridge]

same

[desert pine]

hey

i have a question

its about them keyboards

[neon quartz]

Crafty The Fox#0001 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[desert pine]

what

what did i say

oh

1. it has to have blue switches, right now i have Outemu blue switches in mine.
2. 1000hz polling rate (i play a ton of rhythm games just dont ask)
3. no chord splitting please (again rhythm games)
4. please the polling rate be consistent
5. 75% layout
6. anti ghosting please (probably all of the keyboards under this specification have this anyways

there thats better (ping in response please)

[queen sigil]

bro

i dont like that

u want blue switches

yet you play rhythm games

also i dont think keyboards really have poling rates

And I don't know what you mean by cord splittting

and i'm also gonna need to know your budget

@desert pine

[desert pine]

they do

[queen sigil]

i mean it's not a big deal compared to mice

[desert pine]

it is at high level play

its what im asking for

[timber ridge]

240hz keyboard pls

[queen sigil]

[last plinth]

so low actuation

[queen sigil]

id say I play a fair share of rhythm games and haven't seen any difference between keyboards

[last plinth]

?

[queen sigil]

but whatever

what's ur budget

[last plinth]

fastest keyboard

[desert pine]

pressing multiple keys at once, sending them in one poll cycle and not splitting them into multiple cycles

[real trench]

corsair has a 4000hz polling rate keyboard

though, not sure how switches compare to other ones

[last plinth]

also valorant "fixed" run and gun

[queen sigil]

I mean i don't know half the things you're talking about but i'm pretty sure most keyboards have that

[queen sigil]

it's not like it's any good

[last plinth]

literally the same

[last plinth]

you just have to pull down more

[queen sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvY2L5RS-6s&ab_channel=Leoinatorz

this was with a generic office keyboard

im not good so whatever

I don't see a difference between like 90% of keyboards

besides just like what type of keyboard it is

[desert pine]

fair

[queen sigil]

but i'm pretty sure 99% of mechanical keyboards will have "chord splitting"

Do you have a budget?

[desert pine]

100 usd is max

[queen sigil]

The only keyboard besides like OEM brands would be a keychron k2

and then get gateron blues if you really insist

[desert pine]

i know some custom keyboard firmware's arent able to send multiple keys in one poll cycle but w/e (QMK is the only one i know of that does this)

[last plinth]

11 hours of sleep and im still tired

why

[queen sigil]

my rank

this is so sad

[daring zenith]

@queen sigil hm need bigger keychron emoji

[queen sigil]

go do it urself

[daring zenith]

No nitro

[desert pine]

dont play mania

[queen sigil]

meh its what ive been playing for the last year

[desert pine]

i play DJMAX but thats just my preference

[queen sigil]

played osu standard for a month then started mania

and plus skinning is nice

[desert pine]

yeah i guess

[queen sigil]

and also I aint paying 50USD on a rhythm game

[swift lantern]

lol yeah wth

[desert pine]

it goes on sale a lot

like a lot

[queen sigil]

bruh I aint paying for a rhythm game when I can just play osu

I don't see a difference in raw gameplay

[desert pine]

fair point

[swift lantern]

Lots more switch plus rumors

Most interesting one to me that it could include microLED

[timber ridge]

microled in a switch ?

barely high end laptops have that lol

[swift lantern]

They don't

Like there's literally no consumer products with it afaik

A samsung tv with it on the way, apparently

THE SWITCH IS UNDER LOCKED

WHYY

[timber ridge]

i dont wanna retire my animal crossing switch

but if this new switch is wayyy better

ggs

[swift lantern]

I never even realized since it's nvidia it could theoretically use DLSS

Not the current tegra, but a revision

[timber ridge]

nintendo needs to drop a solid non portable console

[swift lantern]

no.. no they do not

[timber ridge]

the wii was goated

[swift lantern]

no it wasn't

i want them to keep making switches and DS's cuz it makes them the only consoles worth buying tbh

it makes them be able to do something that a PC can't do

[swift lantern]

Fiio dropped an fa7??

[glass bear]

keyboard go click clack

[tight pulsar]

tuzi to the moon

[thick plank]

Hi

Here is the front of a koss 950/95x driver

Also thanks to degru I have a picture of a disassembled stax iems

@swift lantern did dino and ninja both leave because it me explaining the flaws with the 6xx and that the 5xx is an overpriced deva?

[tight pulsar]

do you really think that happened

[swift lantern]

Weird that 95x internals look cheap

Even though I know they aren't

[thick plank]

I mean then both left it seems and they both got mad about me explaining those things instead of choosing to learn from their mistakes @tight pulsar

@swift lantern yea, it's just a mylar just cover

Actually the mesh is thinner than stax too so it is ironically better built against dust

[tight pulsar]

also ninja is still here

[swift lantern]

Dino is impossible to ping for some reason so you can't take that as him being gone

Oh, yeah he left tho

[brisk parcel]

@tight pulsar need something?

[tight pulsar]

nah fortnut just thought that you left

[brisk parcel]

oh

nah still here lmao

I just blocked him

[last plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS3zCN4NsQY

[frigid night]

peripherals are a jojo reference to jojo 1v1 ing in dios palace

[brisk parcel]

this is comical

go off dino

post the evidence

@tacit wing I hope you didn't lose your rank lmao

[tacit wing]

ok i couldnt care less that an estat cultist is in this server but i do care about the spreading of misinfo

o well i still have my VIP rank but i moved my nitro boost lol

Newegg has a crap ton of nitro boosters already

[brisk parcel]

post evidence too

[tight pulsar]

oh hi dino

[brisk parcel]

remember this?

[tight pulsar]

also i thought it was known that fortnut was popcrn but looking back all the stuff about it was in the mod channel

[tacit wing]

banned in every audio discord server but that meme See Description server

imagine gaining enough notoriety to make copious amounts of alts bc they have been beaned in every community in audio lmao

aight enough of the drama, hows everyone doin?

[brisk parcel]

pretty poggin

[tacit wing]

oh yeah when ive been gone,

i got these

[west hornet]

Day 4 of audio troubleshooting

[tacit wing]

pretty good compensation cans for the 6xx bass roll off

finally got a taste of Biodyna

[tacit wing]

oh welp there it is

[brisk parcel]

oh dang nice

there what is

I hear creative makes good stuff

I have their outlier gold, plus the G6 as you know

[swift lantern]

What is the creative

What timbre does 6xx have exactly

[daring zenith]

it's time to

[brisk parcel]

yes

micro-keeb

[tacit wing]

Natural timbre since the raw FR is really close to Harman

huge emphasis on strings and vocals since those are in the midrange

580 timbre on Piano recordings, 6x0 on vocals

[last plinth]

microwave ur modi 3's

[swift lantern]

From my understanding timbre doesn't correlate to fr

[abstract shard]

also known as a 60% lul

[west hornet]

No no

Micro is 35%

[abstract shard]

[queen sigil]

no micro is 2

[swift lantern]

Why does fiio have so many similar ish iems and why are they ALL mmcx

[tacit wing]

timbre is correlated to FR and driver type

an example would be how much a headphone's raw FR follows harman target would make it have that natural timbre characteristics

https://youtu.be/1EWIuZwJH-A?t=189

i time-stamped it to the part where Resolve talks about analyzing timbre through FR and driver type

[timber ridge]

welcome back

and how are cal

[tacit wing]

rumble cannons

im enjoying the bass extension on the CALS that the 6xx lacks

[timber ridge]

makes sense, they compliment each other

[tacit wing]

yup, both are a bit dark in the treble though which i dont really mind

have pulled the trigger on Sundaras yet?

[timber ridge]

waiting on it

im supposed to sell my phone

and my sister said shell cop me a dac as a late bday gift so theres that too

i can afford all it rn, but mind aswell save where i can

dino u should scroll up and see the audio advice given, fortnut 2.0

[tacit wing]

well he got banned

[timber ridge]

skiptrace got banned?

[rugged lion]

what does open and close mean

[tight pulsar]

backed?

[timber ridge]

o

[tight pulsar]

skip is still here

[rugged lion]

what does open vs close mean

[timber ridge]

@queen sigil if you wanted a jwk switch, dogikon is on sale rn

4.20 for 10 switches

[tight pulsar]

yes buy dogikons and support charity and shin

[rugged lion]

42 cents per siwtch for jwks is good

what tf does open vs closed mean

in headphones

[tacit wing]

ok well i know for a fact Skip and Juan shills the UR40 religiously for whatever reason

[timber ridge]

cheapest jwks ive seen

[tacit wing]

which are like over-ear KPH30i, which is not a bad headphone

[rugged lion]

yeah and they support charity

[tight pulsar]

milky what are you talking about are you talking about open backed and closed back

[rugged lion]

and look cool

[tacit wing]

though its too warm for my taste

[rugged lion]

wrong link

this

[tight pulsar]

https://www.howtogeek.com/191416/ask-htg-whats-the-difference-between-open-back-and-closed-back-headphones-and-which-should-i-get/

[tacit wing]

Harware Canucks does a pretty good job at explaining

there are also vented closed-backs, which are not fully closed

like the Teaks and some of the Denons

[timber ridge]

teaks are tempting still

and idk my living condition for fall, so close back may be a good choice

[rugged lion]

question

do u and can u mod headphones like with keyboards?

[tacit wing]

Teaks are not fully isolating just so you know

[tight pulsar]

sure but its a lot less common and less important than keyboards

[tacit wing]

they're vented

[tight pulsar]

its like the same level of modding mice

[little crater]

you can get nice pads for headphones

and you could paint it maybe

and get a new cable

thats about it

[rugged lion]

gotcha

[tight pulsar]

ya things like that and then if you really want you could open them and do that kind of modding but thats way riskier

[timber ridge]

you can also put tissue in between the driver or whatever

[tacit wing]

the earpads play a big part of the headphone's tuning, arguably the biggest part. So generally its best to just get replacement OEM and not aftermarket so you dont mess with the innate tuning, unless you want to go on a pad rolling adventure which is $$$$$

[timber ridge]

to alter sound sig

[west hornet]

Hmm

https://www.amazon.com/Kali-Audio-LP-6-Studio-Monitor/dp/B07NWBSJ11 looks like decent pair of studio monitors

[queen sigil]

[timber ridge]

leo didnt u order shiba keycaps

it would match

[queen sigil]

yes funny dog switches

[swift lantern]

Well whatever the 6xx has for timbre idgaf it's bad please stop simping for them

Like seriously, it's actually getting on my nerves at this point

[queen sigil]

[tacit wing]

ah yes, i should listen to the man who got the role Maliciously Informed in IEF before he got beaned

6xx bad

everything i said was a lie

[queen sigil]

o

dino rejoined

[tacit wing]

garbago

[tacit wing]

sicko mode moment

😎

[timber ridge]

the rack looking lonely now

[west hornet]

Porta infinitely better

[tight pulsar]

mr sleeves r2 pricing kinda yike

[timber ridge]

isnt it like 70

for some mods

[tight pulsar]

yeah

you can buy a full crp kit for that price sadge

[brisk parcel]

wait did fortnut get banned?

[abstract shard]

oh?

pog?

wai

[tight pulsar]

no heres still here

[abstract shard]

wrong fortnut

thought you were talkinga abt the game lmao

[brisk parcel]

oh

rip

and no not the game lmao

[tight pulsar]

but i could technically ban him for ban evasion but i cant tell if he was banned or kicked on his main

[tacit wing]

nope he got beaned already

[brisk parcel]

ghost said he would talk to the mods

and did he dino?

@ him

I blocked him

[tacit wing]

look at mutual servers

[abstract shard]

wha did fortnut do?

[tacit wing]

newegg not there anymore

[brisk parcel]

his main got banned, known as popcrn

@thick plank

[tacit wing]

hes an alt of popcrn, who is banned in this server. why he got banned for idk

yeah that ^

[abstract shard]

ah ok

[brisk parcel]

wait there's another...

[tight pulsar]

oh lol hes banned now yeah

[abstract shard]

"there is another"

[brisk parcel]

there's 2 fortnuts...

OH I STG IF THAT'S ANOTHER ALT

can you check if that other fortnut has done anything yet mr mod nacho man?

[tight pulsar]

are you talking about #7816?

[brisk parcel]

yeh

only recently showed up

[tight pulsar]

doesnt have any messages well just have to see what he says

[brisk parcel]

dang

yeah keeping an eye on that

and either way good thing he's gone, last thing we need is popcrn in here

literal stax cultist

[tacit wing]

i wish i can spill some tea about a certain group of people in the audio scene that is like... not a great group of individuals but that is a convo for another day lmao

[tight pulsar]

most people here wont really care lol

[tacit wing]

yeah figured

[brisk parcel]

I would enjoy it

[rugged lion]

Where’s a good place to get DT880s from

Cause i can only find them for 200+

And I’m looking on like Amazon and stuff so

[tight pulsar]

msrp is 219 afaik

[tacit wing]

dt880 pricing is like wonky af

[little crater]

dt 990 pro are 160, but oos sad

[rugged lion]

Oh

On the flow chart it said 150 my bad

[tight pulsar]

ow hiit workouts hurt

[timber ridge]

cheapest i found dt880s are 180

[tacit wing]

hiit is like the best way to suffer

[rugged lion]

Okay

I suggest updating the flow chart that is pinned

[tight pulsar]

my legs still hurt and i worked out yesterday

[tacit wing]

prices are always subject change, if we change the chart now the price could change by tomorrow if all we know

[rugged lion]

Fair.

However a 50 dollar change does seem to warrant something