old-cooling

[amber glacier]

I think I might have tried a 3090 FTW3 in this configuration, don't remember.

Good luck, happy building

If I could get a PCIE4 riser for $30 or less, I'd go with a vertical mount with my closed loop GPU

[low pumice]

True, but vert mount isn't usually for performance anyways

[amber glacier]

But I don't feel like spending more money for less performance, especially when the vGPU mount makes it much more annoying to access the safe boot button when I mem OC

[low pumice]

Should be fun

[dusky barn]

Any one know what fan upgrade I can use with this?acer aspire tc-866-ur11

[bronze cave]

What's a closed loop GPU?

[marsh badge]

It's a gpu with an aio attached to it

[bronze cave]

Can I do that with my 3090?

[marsh badge]

well

depends on which 3090 it is

[bronze cave]

Founders Edition

[low pumice]

There's waterblock for FE for custom loops but I don't think there's any GPU AIOs that'll work with fe 3090

[bronze cave]

What's a waterblock?

lol

[amber glacier]

Imagine the thing you mount to cool your CPU, but for your GPU instead

And instead of having closed tubes that are already filled and connected to the radiator, you only have screw holes to mount your own tubing

[bronze cave]

Should I add one of those to my 3090?

This is getting out of hand. Haha.

[amber glacier]

Like I mentioned, if you want to go full custom loop, it will be $500

I don't think it's a good idea for a beginner

[knotty sparrow]

$500 is just the starter kit for a single component custom loop too

[bronze cave]

Fal'Cie -- do you have the black Torrent or the Gray?

[knotty sparrow]

Black, with light tinted glass

[bronze cave]

I got the gray

hoping it's not too light

Is it a matte finish?

[knotty sparrow]

Nah it's a pretty dark gray, and yes it's matte

[bronze cave]

Sweet

[knotty sparrow]

Not too shiny

[bronze cave]

Do you know if the MSI EDGE Z690 has 2 addressable RGB ports?

Apparently I need them for the Torrent case but I cant find that info anywher

[knotty sparrow]

I think you have 3

[bronze cave]

says "MYSTIC LIGHT: 16.8 million colors / fancy lighting effects controlled in one click. MYSTIC LIGHT SYNC supports RGB and RAINBOW(ARGB) LED strips and Ambient devices"

But nothing else

lol

1 x 4-pin RGB LED connector
3 x 3-pin RAINBOW LED connectors <--- is this them?

[knotty sparrow]

Yes

[bronze cave]

Nice

[marsh badge]

It has 3

[bronze cave]

I'm really excited about this

[marsh badge]

So yes

[knotty sparrow]

Two at the top right, one bottom left

Labeled J_RAINBOW

[bronze cave]

I'm at $3200 all in so far and I think the only thing I need to pick up is an AIO if I need one and an SSD.

[amber glacier]

And that 3090 is at least half the cost

I have the edge. I like it. Unfortunately I'm not home so I can't tell you much about it :p

[bronze cave]

It was a bit more than the PRO-A which seems to have the same specs but the PRO-A is ugly.

[amber glacier]

Lol

It's a bit better than the Pro-A, it has a better VRM

Although the Pro-A is still sufficient unless you plan on really pushing it

Even with a LF2 you'll be limited by cooling, unless you put the radiator in an ice bath or put it outside in cold weather

[bronze cave]

What's an LF2?

[amber glacier]

Liquid Freezer 2

[bronze cave]

Ah

[amber glacier]

AIO

[bronze cave]

Gotcha

I like the idea of the Torrent having the PS at the top. That just makes sense to me. That's the way it always used to be. No sense dumping all that hot air straight into the case.

[marsh badge]

psus doesn't dump hot air into the case tho

it depends on how they're mounted

their fans just pull air in and out thru the back of the case

[mint spire]

ARCTIC P12 (5 Pack) - 120 mm Case Fan, Pressure-optimised, Value Pack, Very quiet motor, Computer, Fan Speed: 1800 RPM - Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HC7P3HJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_9V2PD6E6HGPTQA0PKXFR?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

I cant daisychain my p12’s. I ordered a 5 pack and im wondering if these were the correct ones

[marsh badge]

Nope

That's non PST

They have to be PST ones

[mint spire]

What does pst mean

[marsh badge]

pwm sharing tech

[mint spire]

Is the performance affected at all?

[marsh badge]

basically daisy chainable

no

[mint spire]

Alr

Thats good to hear

[marsh badge]

daisy chaining just means the fans in the chain will only run at the same speed

[bronze cave]

Any SSD gurus? The storage channel is a ghost town and I could use some guidance.

[dawn vault]

What is it called when you connect multiple case fans together to put them on one header? I think it starts with an D but for some reason I can’t remember the word for the life of me.

[topaz blaze]

daisy chaining?

[dawn vault]

Yessssss, that’s what it was. I felt like I was having a stroke not being able to remember it 🤦‍♂️

[slow condor]

can soft tubing be used with distro plates?

[knotty sparrow]

Yes

[bronze cave]

Why is custom water cooling expensive?

[low pumice]

Many intricate parts

[idle tiger]

It doesn't have to be

[low pumice]

(I'm talking in terms of a soft tube full loop costing 300$ instead of aio costing 100$)

[mint spire]

Does this look ok?

Applying liquid metal rn

Help my 3080 isnt displaying anymore

[azure crown]

did you seal around the die with any sort of paste or putty?

also that might be a bit much

[mint spire]

Nah jk

Is this fine tho

I used nail polish

[azure crown]

nail polish where, around the die?

[mint spire]

On the resistors

[azure crown]

or to clean it off

ok

also those are capacitors

[mint spire]

Nvm then

[azure crown]

so are you like, benching your card for hwbot points or smthn?

or is this for daily driving

[mint spire]

Daily

And 3dmark

Getting ready to bios flash this thing

[azure crown]

will this be vertical mounted

[mint spire]

No

[azure crown]

ok

well, for LM application, you should cover the whole die as sparsely as possible

image seems fine

just make sure you seal up the areas around the die

[mint spire]

Omg

Success

20 c difference

Lets goo

Wont go past 68c

[knotty sparrow]

Perfect temp

[ripe tapir]

are AMD Wraith Prism decent coolers?

because I am gonna use it for the AMD ryzen 5 5600X,

[knotty sparrow]

Prism should be good enough

Not ideal but it will work at stock settings

[ripe tapir]

Yea I'll always stay on stock.

Cause I saw one for 35$ but I am not sure if it has all of the cables in it.

[knotty sparrow]

The prism cooler for $35? There's better for cheaper

[ripe tapir]

Yea, but my new motherboard screw are stripped and have no other option just to get the coolers with the clips on the sides.

[knotty sparrow]

Ah so you're stuck with the stock backplate? There's no access from the rear?

[ripe tapir]

nope,

Stock backplates.

it's a pretty cheap motherboard anyways.

[idle tiger]

Oh god why did you use so much

[left pulsar]

Used more than Ray Charles

[bronze cave]

Is there a difference between a radiator and liquid cooling? If so, what?

[shrewd juniper]

Liquid is just the concept of cooling your parts with water, you need a pump and cpu block with preferably fans although technically not needed while the radiator is just one of these

[bronze cave]

Gotcha

I am trying to decide on cases and cooling (for i9-12900 and 3090 -- for gaming and maybe some mining) and I really like the Fractal Design Torrent but it doesn't have a place to mount cooling on top. The other option is the Meshify 2 which does have that but less airflow.

I have seen some folks mount a radiator inside the front fans on the Torrent and wondering if that's just as good.

[left pulsar]

The Torrent was designed around having predominately great airflow. Generally fans on a rad work better when "pushing" air through, and a front rad works plenty fine. In the following pic, it's a "push-pull" setup & I scribbled over the "pull" fans as an example. the 2 curved lines would be the preferred tubing route, as far as I know. (so any air bubbles would go up and stay away from goin through the tubing to pump/water block). edit: i've heard top rad is best, but idk how much better it actually is overall.

[bronze cave]

Makes sense

I wish there was an flow chart for making these decisions. Haha.

[idle tiger]

You can choose whatever path for the air you wish, orient the fans to make it so.

[bronze cave]

Yup. Just trying to figure out the best configuration for me.

Seems pretty subjective.

[lucid kindle]

would this be the appropriate place to ask about non-rgb case fan recommendations?
this is how the current build is looking https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tgk7Y9. Mainly looking to nab a 3 pack for the front of the case

[low pumice]

Personally would swap some other parts around, like aio for freezer ii, ssd for kc2500, monitor for m27q, but you can grab some Arctic P12's off Amazon.

[lucid kindle]

Monitor was apart of newegg combo 3060ti combo so 🤷‍♂️

i havn't bought AIO, or SSD yet though

[low pumice]

kc2500 is just 30$ cheaper for a good drive, evo plus fine if you want evo plus for sustained

NZXT is just sad

[lucid kindle]

was this the AIO you are referring to ?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c4MTwP/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-240-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00046a

[low pumice]

Yea, just better performance than x53 and any other standard asetech designs

[lucid kindle]

cool, thanks for the recommendations!

[idle tiger]

I'd say there's no one right answer, but many definite wrongs.

[low pumice]

btw, for the price of Ballistix 3200c16 atm, you can just get ballistix 3600c16

81$ vs 85$, might as well grab the higher xmp kit for 4$

(https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083TSFB5C)

[lucid kindle]

I actually got the 32 gig 3200c16 for 80$ when it was on sale the other day

[low pumice]

oh alright

You can set custom prices on pcpp and mark as purchased btw

[lucid kindle]

do you know if the freezer ii works into the pst that some P12's have?

[amber glacier]

Unless you have the RGB P12s, they should work fine. They're pretty much the same fans

[low pumice]

They might be pst, but I don't think you should daisy chain more than 2/3 fans in a row into the same header anyways

[amber glacier]

Actually the ones that come pre-installed might not have PST

[lucid kindle]

I was thinking on just buying the 5 pack, and putting one into a different build

[knotty sparrow]

P12 is really low power, 0.12A each for the ones I have. You can have 7 on a single 1A header.

[worn kayak]

My fan control modes are auto, voltage, and pwm

Also the rpm is going crazy for 1 of the fans

The other fan is N/A even tho its spinning

[left pulsar]

All my current fans are plain 1100-1200rpm so I "disabled" the pwm setting in bios. It made my bottom front intake run at 300rpm.

[shrewd juniper]

You sure your bottom fan aint dc?

[rose isle]

pro tip: make sure a cable isnt in the way. I had the same issue, and then noticed a cable was preventing it from spinning

[left pulsar]

if to me, indeed all my fans are plain 3pin (no pwm) & also have a 3 speed 140mm Antec fan on the low or medium setting. I should test out 1 or 2 of the Arctics

[shrewd juniper]

Ahh yeah if you do pwm on a non pwm fan it just goes to 100%

[keen ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/882764926190518364/935715264006340699/PXL_20220126_015752464.jpg?width=395&height=702

laptop fans were very clogged

now i can actually feel air coming out of the fans

downside is that they are louder now

[shrewd juniper]

https://youtu.be/bJaJeP7bylE

[marsh badge]

That took em long enough

I've been waiting on this thing to get a review

[lime kite]

Do they really though? 🤨

Noctua is like god level stuff

[knotty sparrow]

Well the comparably priced nh-u12s performs about the same. The nh-d15 still beats it but is more expensive.

[marsh badge]

^

[left pulsar]

Eh, not against the $40-55ish dual tower Thermalright options. They just need to hurry up and include the lga1700 bracket.

[shrewd juniper]

Not really especially for the price, their only kind of unchallenged product id the d15

[shrewd juniper]

2 rads on one aio when 😤

[rose isle]

why though?

[left pulsar]

Why not. It's like a 480mm rad split in 2 pieces, lol. Think about the possibility.

[rose isle]

2 pipes already enough of a PITA 😅

[left pulsar]

Probably. For smaller cases, wouldn't be limited to 360 or 240mm worth of rad. 🤘. 1 front rad, 1 up top, both for cpu would be neat.

[rose isle]

oh, imagine the arguments about the proper layout with 2 rads? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

"pump block must be exactly half way between the barbs of radiator 1 and radiator 2, but radiator 2 must be below the azimuth of the easter star

[shrewd juniper]

Can you imagine how much power the 13900k is gonna pull
Also would be cool for HEDT systems not needing custom loop basically

[shrewd juniper]

I'd imagine it more of a daisy chain the rads type thing like with a custom loop

[covert apex]

My 12900K draws a crap ton of power at max load

Gets crazy hot even with a 360mm AIO

[bronze cave]

I'm getting ready to do a 12900k build and trying to figure out cooling options myself 😦

[covert apex]

I wish I went custom loop, only reason I did not was I am lazy lmao

[bronze cave]

Radiators, AIOs, CPU coolers. No idea what to do.

I have all my parts and haven't pulled the trigger on a case yet because I don't want to back myself into a corner cooling-wise but I am itching to get this build done.

[low pumice]

In terms of having the most options cooling wise, you'll be looking at p500a and 7000d/5000d airflow, those can just fit everything and do everything well (5000d/7000d better for custom loops though afaik)

But generally, aio will be your best option when it comes to best performance under like 200$

[bronze cave]

That's super helpful Mr1111

[low pumice]

Well and o11 is pretty designed for custom loop

[bronze cave]

I was looking at the Meshify 2 and Torrent too

[low pumice]

Torrent is just a weird spot for me

Meshify 2 is good

[bronze cave]

Because you can't add any cooling on top?

[low pumice]

Yes, and stock is 2x180 at the front

[bronze cave]

Is 2x180 not good?

[low pumice]

It's not common

It has brackets for 3x120 according to someone though, but you'll be missing out on a bit of that width

[bronze cave]

I saw some Torrents with radiators mounted on top of the 2x180 in the front and on top of the 140s on the bottom but I don't know anything about radiators and how they compare to AIO. In fact, I don't know anything bout cooling.

[low pumice]

With custom loops, there's a few 2x180mm radiators

With AIOs, none that I know of

[bronze cave]

In the Torrent, you can do 3x140 in the front too

[low pumice]

Don't remember if it'll do 3x140 rads but it prob does

[covert apex]

There are solutions where you can use custom loop rads with a custom AIO kit but most of those are old and not worth it for the price

[low pumice]

I mean

That's just a custom loop at that point

[covert apex]

Pretty much

Just with a all in one cpu block combo unit

[bronze cave]

Is the Torrent airflow really any better than the Meshify 2?

[low pumice]

Not really noticeably better

[bronze cave]

I like the idea of 3x140 on the bottom blowing directly on my 3090

So I think that's what I'd be giving up by doing with the Meshify 2 vs the Torrent

[low pumice]

Well

Torrent is a decent bit better from a case perspective, not really noticeable from an overall temp perspective

[low pumice]

The question is, do you really need that :p

[bronze cave]

I have no idea

I will be running a 12900k and the 3090, for flight sim and maybe some mining

[low pumice]

(4c is a lot in a case-to-case comparison, but if you have good cooling, it doesn't matter as much, and afterall, GN tests with an air cooler, and torrent was loud as heck)

[bronze cave]

What's 4c?

What's GN? lol

[low pumice]

4c as in 4 degrees Celsius

GN as in Gamers Nexus, one of the people that tested Fractal Torrent

[bronze cave]

Ah

So it sounds like I should go with the Meshify ..

[low pumice]

My opinion is this, if you're going to go aio, torrent is probably not the best option, otherwise, it's great for air coolers and can be fun with custom loops

Meshify is good, but there's other options still around

[bronze cave]

Custom loops are expensive though, right? And I'd have to learn how to do them.

[low pumice]

Yes and kind of yes

It's 300$+ generally for full loop, and you'll have to do your own research on what goes together with what, and how to maintain it

[bronze cave]

Maintain it?

No thanks -- you just eliminated that option for me!

[low pumice]

Generally you'll want to change coolant every year or so for custom loops

Lol

[bronze cave]

Oh, that's not too bad.

[low pumice]

But draining can be annoying

[bronze cave]

I looked at the p500a and 5000d/7000d and just don't like the look of them.

[low pumice]

Alright

[bronze cave]

If I do a custom loop, I can use it to cool both the GPU and CPU, right?

[low pumice]

Yes

But do keep in mind custom loop isn't as simple as putting in an aio, having to fill things in your case with water always requires caution

[bronze cave]

If I want to run the lines all pretty with right angles and stuff .. is it correct to assume that's when it gets expensive?

[low pumice]

Hardline tubing makes it like 3x harder than just doing soft tubing

But tubes don't really cost much over like 30$

It's the blocks and pump/res that's expensive

[bronze cave]

Would I need 2 if I want to cool both my GPU and CPU?

[low pumice]

Cpu block costs somewhere around a hundred, GPU block another hundred or more, pump res another hundred or more, tubes and fittings might cost you 50$, coolant another like 30$

Probably wrong, throwing out random numbers, but you get a sense of things

[bronze cave]

Gotcha

Do you know what case this is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzh98abhAio

[low pumice]

That's o11

And well, LTT is meh, it's LTT

[bronze cave]

Not a good case?

[shrewd juniper]

O11 is fine

There's definitely better though

[low pumice]

O11 is fine, good for custom loops, just a bit overused, just saying LTT isn't usually the best with information, they're the people that'll probably tell you to get a 800$ kit over 500$ worth of parts that'll do the same thing imo

[bronze cave]

Ah. Gotcha

What do you think of this one? LIAN LI LANCOOL 215 X Black Steel

[shrewd juniper]

It's also okay, personally I'd go with phanteks p500a or corsair 5000d airflow

[bronze cave]

I was hoping for something with some fans on the bottom to cool my GPU

[shrewd juniper]

Not really needed

[bronze cave]

Not even when mining?

[shrewd juniper]

Nope

Mining uses the memory also if you're mining right you will have lower temps than gaming

[bronze cave]

I don't know anything about mining but figured since I have a 3090 I should try it when I am not gaming

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah you should, great at mining

Although if anything you'd want to put an extra fan on the back of the gpu

To cool the memory on the back

[bronze cave]

The back = the part that's facing down?

[knotty sparrow]

In normal orientation that would be the side facing the cpu

[bronze cave]

Thanks

Still trying to figure out my case/cooling Fal'Cie 😦 I have all my other parts and ready to go but so much to learn about cooling.

[low pumice]

Tbh with mining you typically need even less cooling at the GPU, you'd typically uv and uc, and cooling vram tends to be more of a heat transfer issue rather than hear dissipation issue (bad pads)

[bronze cave]

I do know I should replace the pads on the 3090 ..

[knotty sparrow]

Usually a good idea, but not always necessary

[bronze cave]

I think I had an epiphany while walking the dog.

If I don't really need to water cool my GPU, and my CPU only cost $550, what's the point in spending a couple hundred bucks to water cool the CPU? I assume no harm will come to it and if, after a couple of years, the heat takes it out, it will be time to upgrade anyway, no?

[low pumice]

For a custom loop, yea, not really worth it for performance, and every new socket will probably mean you'll need a new CPU block

[bronze cave]

So I think I'm just going to go with the torrent. Unlikely I will overclock so the fans should be fine. If I do overclock, I can add an artic liquid freeze II 120 for the CPU or a small air cooler that won't block the airflow in the case.

[low pumice]

Just a note, 120mm AIOs suck

A lot of the time, it'll lose to a good AIO

[bronze cave]

I figured as much but the artic II seems to have a thicker radiator and I probably won't need much cooling.

[low pumice]

Think of it this way, a radiator is basically the heatsink on an air cooler

If your radiator has less fins than your air cooler, your air cooler is going to perform better

[shrewd juniper]

Blocking the airflow isn't really a thing when air is supposed to go through it

[bronze cave]

Good point

[low pumice]

And as a reminder, radiators aren't just a big block of metal, they look like this, air still flow right through

It's like drawing wiggly lines with a metal sheet

[bronze cave]

Yup. I've build radiators before.

*built

[shrewd juniper]

Built?

[bronze cave]

Sounds like the noctura dh15 is the way to go if I decide to overclock?

[low pumice]

Nah, Arctic freezer 360mm/420mm

For air coolers, the biggest baddest air cooler is le grand macho

[bronze cave]

lol -- that's the problem -- no place for those in the Torrent!

[low pumice]

Iirc fal said there's brackets for mounting it front mount

[bronze cave]

I think you need to remove the 2x180 fans though

[low pumice]

Or could've been someone else saying it

[shrewd juniper]

You can put them in the bottom tho

[bronze cave]

No, I think you're right. But I think you need to remove the 2x180 fans to drop in a 360mm.

[low pumice]

Yea

But it's not like AIOs don't come with fans

And 180mm fans are good but it's not like they're many leagues ahead of everything

[desert sedge]

Does anyone make a 120mm that is 18mm thick or smaller?

[low pumice]

Yes, nf-a12x15 for one is 15mm thick

[desert sedge]

https://noctua.at/en/nf-a12x15-pwm

That it?

[low pumice]

Ye

[desert sedge]

Does it come in black or RGB?

Oh wait, found it.

[low pumice]

Don't remember if they made an a12x15 black

[desert sedge]

They sorta do.

[low pumice]

I know there's an a12x25 chromax black

Dunno about a12x15

[desert sedge]

SilverStone Technology Slim 120mm Addressable RGB Fan with 15mm Thin Design FW124-ARGB https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07P9RKC8C/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_J4R020J6KFGQ4F2RKZ07

I don't know this brand.

[low pumice]

Silverstone used to be bigger and known for other things

[desert sedge]

ID-COOLING NO-12015-XT-ARGB Case Fan 15mm Thickness PWM Fan 5V 3 PIN Addressable RGB Fan Slim Fan for Radiator/CPU Cooler/Computer Case https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08GK85BFL/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_90GNWBZPSQEH4YKNSF4H

And also this:

Scythe Kaze Flex 120mm RGB LED Fan, PWM 300-1200 RPM, No Controller Included, Single Pack https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07GDV9G99/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_H6EG6GNNDBMKXGB2T3XP

So, use case is my new case has riser brackets with low clearance that are also mounting brackets for storage cages. Best method of introducing more bottom air is to fit them under the risers.

Of which I have limited clearance.

[dreamy locust]

I have a R5 3600x @stock + arctic freezer 34 eSports duo, it reaches 70°C at full load...
I think that it's a lot, my old 2600x ran at <52°C

[knotty sparrow]

Try re-mounting the cooler. That seems like a contact issue.

[dreamy locust]

I'll try
Do I have to reapply the thermal paste?

Last time I didn't apply lot of pressure (as i was told) while mounting the cooler... Do i have to screw it until I can't anymore?

[knotty sparrow]

Ideally yes, you'd repaste it. It's probably fine though. Probably.
You'll want to get it finger tight as far as you can. Avoid using tools, they can overtighten easily.

[dreamy locust]

Oh... By hand is impossible, it has normal screws

Last time I used my screwdriver

[knotty sparrow]

Well they made it like that for a reason, right? Tools are fine in that case

Just don't force it tight, just until there's a good amount of resistance

[dreamy locust]

Maybe I applied too much pressure on one edge and contact went 📉

[knotty sparrow]

Could be. Try to get it as even as you can.

[dreamy locust]

How can I check if it has even pressure?

[knotty sparrow]

The best way to do it is to do one turn at a time on each screw, then when it starts to get tight go to half turns

[dreamy locust]

Okk ty

[dreamy locust]

@knotty sparrow + I also get 55°C when CPU is not under load with fan @50% speed

That's not normal...

[topaz blaze]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097DVSKM1/

This caught my attention. What do you guys think?

[left pulsar]

Well it's a pretty good $60ish cooler. I bought the grey one for $51. Not tons worse than certain $90+ heatsinks also. The peerless assassin 120 is often a solid $5-10 cheaper so give it a glance.

[topaz blaze]

Oh, nice

I don't need an air cooler right now though so I probably won't buy any, it just caught my attention

[left pulsar]

If you end up w/ 10/11 gen intel, they're deffo worth a thought. On Amazon they often have $4-6 "coupons" you click before adding to cart. That's part of how I paid $51 incl tax.

[topaz blaze]

Good to know, I probably won't be touching 10th or 11th Gen for another year or two though

[shrewd juniper]

Its good, better on amd ihs, intels ihs does better with peerless assassin 120 iirc

[topaz blaze]

My main system doesn't need an upgrade and I'm focused on currently ocing lga 2011, then 2066, then 1366

Oh interesting

I don't have any amd systems though, besides my own which has an aio

[dusky escarp]

i have 9 fans and my pc still has an overheating problem and the overheating problem leads to my pc crashing

[topaz blaze]

What case are you using

[dusky escarp]

uhh

green mantis something

let me show u

[topaz blaze]

Yea

[left pulsar]

Yep, that's when a lvl 1 notices they can't post a pic. 9 fans is overkill btw. Can do plenty w/ 2-3 front intake and 1 or 2 exhaust. Constant positive airflow is a big part.

[topaz blaze]

lol

they couldve just dmed it to me

but nope

[lime kite]

Oh yeah, my new P500A dropped my load temps 20 degrees

3 fans is enough

And that’s 20 degrees with no working rear fan for some reason

[knotty sparrow]

Positive pressure means it'll push the air out any openings, whether the rear fan helps or not. The exhaust fans are more to help direct the airflow.

[idle tiger]

I don't believe in intake fans 😁

[latent juniper]

hello, i would like to quell my 3080TI memory temps, is it possible to like buy a fan in the case that can "float" to a part of the system to extract heat better that way? or would i have to make some ghetto method for it?

[knotty sparrow]

Best way to drop memory temps will be a thermal pad swap

[latent juniper]

but wouldn't that invalidate the warranty with nvidia? it's a FE card

could've sworn nvidia said it would invalidate it just opening it

[knotty sparrow]

Nope. Only if you break it by opening it. US law says so. "Warranty void if removed" stickers are illegal too.

[latent juniper]

what would be a recommendation for type of pad and thickness? hadn't used thermal pads before

[knotty sparrow]

Gelid extreme is good. Video for reference https://youtu.be/HOnUeQ4BDTE

[latent juniper]

ty

[knotty sparrow]

The gelids are like 12W pads which should be more than enough

Thermalright are good too

[latent juniper]

ty,ty

[keen ermine]

i never thought i would see the day where my laptop gpu is idling at 40c

[wide kayak]

What are a good cheap case fans looking for 3-5 pack

Also I know my motherboard only has a couple fan header slots, so can I stack fanheaders?

[low pumice]

Arctic p12 good cheap fans

[low pumice]

Usually headers are rated for 1a, I wouldn't do more than 1 splitter per header, you can get fan hubs for more fans

[wide kayak]

Ok are those expensive and also I only have one exhaust fan right now in my case xd, so I’ll probably put two up top and maybe 3 in front

Should I have them all intake or should I put a couple of the fans to exhaust

[low pumice]

Front intake, top exhaust

[wide kayak]

Ok ty

[low pumice]

Yw

[desert sedge]

Does anyone have suggestions for fan/rgb wire extensions? My wires are just kinda lying there and its not very organized.

[bronze cave]

Which upgraded thermal pads should I use to replace the OEM thermal pads on my Nvidia FE 3090?

[shrewd juniper]

thermaltake odyssey are nice e

[tulip matrix]

Has EK fixed their issues with the 3090 thermal pad sizes and thickness for each card variant

[weary slate]

Do cpu tower coolers get particularly hot? I was trying to stick another fan on my cooler and they're held on with the weird little wire brackets and for whatever reason despite using the same kind of fan that comes on the cooler there's too much space so I was going to put little bits of gasket rubber under the corners so that it will actually hold

I just want to make sure it's not the kind of thing where I need to be concerned about the rubber melting

[crimson heart]

I have a case like the Lian Li 011 Dynamic. I also have a 360 AIO I want to top mount. I also have 6 case fans for the side and bottom mount locations. What kind of intake/exhaust configuration should I use for the fans. I know my CPU will be well cooled but I want to make sure the GPU and ambient temperature are as low as possible.

[bronze cave]

Cool. Thanks @shrewd juniper . Any chance you know the right thickness?

What's a good air cooler for my i9-12900k on an MSI EDGE Z690 board in a Fractal Design Torrent case?

[tulip matrix]

12900k is not really recommended to be ran with an air-cooler but a Noctua DH-15 iirc should be tolerable but idk the dimensions of the case and cooler size

[bronze cave]

It's either air cooler or 120mm arctic freezer II. I don't have room for anything else in this case.

[tulip matrix]

In this case the dh-15 would be better than a 120mm aio but I would check the size dimensions of the case and cooler

[bronze cave]

I have no plans to overclock my CPU. Just going to be gaming (flight sim, and recording some audio with Audacity) and maybe some bitcoin mining. So I will likely just run the cpu stock. I will prob tweak the GPU though.

[covert apex]

Running my 12900K stock with a 360MM AIO it still gets pretty hot

Even with Noctua fans in a good airflow case

It spikes really high under load

[bronze cave]

What's the load?

[bronze cave]

How do I decide between Noctua NH-D15 and NH-D15. I have an MSI EDGE Z690 with G.SKILL TRIDENT Z RGB ram.

[left pulsar]

You just said the same HSF twice 😅. 1 of the few air coolers decent for the 12900 w/o hitting 90C often

[bronze cave]

Oops. I meant Noctua NH-D15S.

The asymmetric version.

[left pulsar]

They cool similarly, asymmetric is of course if you need it for how it's less close to gpu slot I think. S model also comes with only 1 fan perhaps. Can always add a 2nd fan anyways.

[remote mural]

Hi guys, im stuck at building my PC at the AIO part... I thought I didnt need to buy the LGA1700 bracket because asus motherboards are compatible i have the Asus ROG strix z690-f and im trying to install the Lian Li 360 Galahad... and the Lian Li store says to get the mounting bracket need to order from Aliexpress and they are sold out.... any help here? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003370699155.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.25413c00Cw87vX&mp=1

[azure crown]

yes, the lian li store says you need a 1700 bracket for a 1700 cooler

however

your board has support for the 1200 bracket

allowing you to instead install your cooler as if it were just a 1200 board

follow instructions in manual for 1200

[remote mural]

Ok so the 1200 instructions should be work for me for this board and cooler?

I know i should of ordered the lga 1700 before but i remember hearing that onl Asus motherboards can still be compatible

[azure crown]

yes

[shrewd juniper]

I dont, if you Google.it tho I'm sure there's a good few people.repadding

[remote mural]

Is it a good idea to get a different thermal paste vs the stock one that comes with the AIO ex. Lian Li ones?

[remote mural]

Thank you 🙂 I haven't put the AIO on just testing the mounting bracket, i think it might work

[dreamy locust]

This is R5 3600x die
The blue part is the surface the arctic freezer 34 eSports duo can cover (2.4*2.4cm)
Could this be the problem? Maybe the surface covered is not enough big for the CPU...

Does it make sense?

Maybe this is the problem to high temperatures

[marsh badge]

Nah

It's not a problem

[shrewd juniper]

Stock is fine

[dreamy locust]

Oke

So it's contact issue...

[remote mural]

Hey @azure crown just noticed newegg.ca has it available its better than 6 week shipping 3-9 days, https://www.newegg.ca/p/0VE-04WG-00001?Description=Lian-Li Intel 12 Gen, LGA 1700 Kit&cm_re=Lian-Li_Intel 12 Gen, LGA 1700 Kit-_-9SIA7BBGRK7291-_-Product but its $23 i wish i just ordered it from aliexpress like 2 months ago for 1penny.... should i get this?

[low pumice]

keep in mind, the IHS helps fix that as long as there's no huge hotspots

[azure crown]

does the 1200 bracket not work?

[remote mural]

How can i tell if it works? should i try putting it in without thermal paste to see if its secure?

[azure crown]

yes

also the stock paste is fine

[remote mural]

I was able to put 3 screws in but i cant seem to put the last screw in seems like its not high enough?

[azure crown]

did you tighten down each screw individually??

you cant do them one at a time.

the manual should tell you how to properly screw down the cooler

[remote mural]

yeah lol i guess thats prob why, i think i got it!

how do i know if it will be ok or if any issues?

[azure crown]

if theres mounting pressure on the IHS, its good

just try your best to tighten each screw evenly

[dreamy locust]

This..
THIS...!!!
THIS WAS THE PROBLEM!!!

Just look at the screw on the right

[marsh badge]

yeah

bad mount

[dreamy locust]

I don't know how I didn't notice that...

@marsh badge is it normal that they move back and forward?

[marsh badge]

hm

as in?

[dreamy locust]

All the backplate moves a bit

And I can't screw them anymore

@marsh badge

[marsh badge]

ah

Well it shouldn't move, I think

[dreamy locust]

As i remember from the previous builds it always moved, I think it's for compatibility with coolers

Because some might be a bit taller than others

(yes, it is normal that it moves, the backplate is the same from the old motherboard, screws too) probably

[remote mural]

What does this mean IHS? heatsink? how do i know if there is mounting pressure?

[low pumice]

Integrated Heat Spreader, its the silver shell on the CPU

[dreamy locust]

@marsh badge

It's ok
After I install the cooler there won't be any problems

[dreamy locust]

Is it ok if it is curved a bit? Or am I applying too much pressure @marsh badge

[marsh badge]

hm

well it could be too much pressure

just screw it in snugly only

[dreamy locust]

What do you mean with snugly?

I don't understand

[remote mural]

How will i know if theres good mounting pressure, i guess when i turn it on and check the temperatures?

[marsh badge]

until you couldn't turn with light force

that's when to stop

[marsh badge]

yep, only way to know

[remote mural]

I guess from there il know if i need to buy the lian li 1700 mount, atleast i know i can get it from newegg just more expensive for $23 CAD... afterwards atleast its not long for shipping versus Aliexpress

[topaz blaze]

Anyone know any high airflow fans like the NF-F12 off the top of their head?

[shrewd juniper]

Arctic p12/14 always a good shout, phanteks t30 are also nice iirc

[topaz blaze]

Yea I thought about those but I think I want to go with more airflow to be safe. Looking for a fan to help with condensation issues

Plus I only want to have to set up 1 fan instead of multiple, easier that way

My dad's system has a bunch of p12's though lol

[shrewd juniper]

I mean forks uses p12s on top of the ln2 pot for condensation

[topaz blaze]

just one?

[shrewd juniper]

Sometimes two iirc

Hold on lemme look back at some of his pics

[topaz blaze]

i guess if he's fine with use just one even sometimes then alright

[tepid reef]

stock fan enough for 5600x?

or better to get 3rd party fans

[topaz blaze]

you gonna be OCing at all?

[tepid reef]

nope

[topaz blaze]

yea it should work well enough, provided your case is decent

[tepid reef]

think it's quite bad, cm masterbox lite 5

3 intake fans infront

1 outtake at back lol

[topaz blaze]

Oh i know that case lol, a friend of mine has one

if you have 3 intake fans then im pretty sure it'd still be fine

[tepid reef]

bought it 3 years ago with no knowledge

regrets but whatever

[shrewd juniper]

Heres one with 1 fan, I've seen him use 2 as well tho
#build-pics message

[topaz blaze]

oh alright

[shrewd juniper]

Can you edit this message please that word is not allowed, crap is tho

[tepid reef]

my apologies

[shrewd juniper]

No worries

[shrewd juniper]

I'd get a gammaxx 400/gt(e)(a) of vetroo v5 or id cooling se 224 xt or if your case fits it, a thermalright frost spirit 140 is a beast and like 40$

[low pumice]

Forky uses delta fans sometimes though

[tepid reef]

how necessary is it though?

[low pumice]

as in, delta finger chopper

[shrewd juniper]

Ehh considering your case I'd heavily advise, like it won't hurt the cpu it will just perform better with the better cooler

And even if you don't wanna oc, you should turn on precision boost overdrive (pbo) basically better boosting

[topaz blaze]

I think Im gonna grab an f12 3k rpm, should be good for pretty much whatever ill need it for, while not melting my fan headers

[tepid reef]

would it be better for a new case instead?

[topaz blaze]

idk what GPU you have rn, but if you plan on upgrading to something hot, you'll probably want to get a new case either way

[shrewd juniper]

Well yes as it would probably help with gpu temps too but it's gonna be a bit more costly

They have 1070 ti iirc

[topaz blaze]

oo nice, i have a 1070

pascal gang

[tepid reef]

yeah MSI duke 1070ti

runs quite hot though

59c on idle? iirc

[topaz blaze]

lol mine is mining rn and its at 53c, then again the fans are running

oh its just at 25% of its tdp limit anyway

[shrewd juniper]

Idle temps don't mean a lot without knowing fan speeds and room temp

[tepid reef]

yeah I don't know either haha

perhaps it could use some adjustment

[dreamy locust]

Is 65°C (R5 3600x) under max. load good?

Or should I screw the cooler more?

Min. 52°C under 20% load

Good or bad?

BRUH
Still gets to 69°C

[topaz blaze]

that 65 degree figure is at max load?

if so, then yea you're completely good

[bronze cave]

Any reason not to go with the liquid freezer 420 over the 360 or the p14s over the p12s if the price isn't that much different?

[shrewd juniper]

Also what are you defining as max load?

[shrewd juniper]

420 has slightly larger cooling capacity, needs bigger case, 360 can fit in a lot more cases, same thing with p12/p14 but it matters on the case like in some cases you can only fit 2x140mm or 3x120mm in front, in that case I'd go 3x120mm

[topaz blaze]

yea itd be a difference between p95 and gaming

or y-cruncher, destroyer of my system stability

[bronze cave]

Meshify 2 case -- I think I can put either the 420 or 360 in the top

[shrewd juniper]

Yes you can too mount a 360/420, I'd grab the 420, might as well

[bronze cave]

It's only $20 difference for the A-RGB model

Seems worth it

And the 140 fan pack is only $7 more for the pwm pst variant

[bronze cave]

Looks like I can't run the 420 on top in the Meshify 2 because it won't clear my memory and the front/rear fans. So I guess I am stuck with the 360 😦

[remote mural]

Does anyone know if you can connect the Lian Li Galahad 360 along with 2 sets of the SL120 fans into 1 SL120 controller? or the AIO needs to be plugged into the mobo separately? Also can you use 1 controller for both SL120s?

[bronze cave]

Are fractal aios any good?

[topaz blaze]

Because of pricing, I'd just go with an EVGA 240 or 360CLC, or an arctic freezer 240 or 360

[bronze cave]

I was just curious

I went with the Arctic 360

[shrewd juniper]

Galahad is decent, bit pricey but fine if you're willing to pay for it, i wouldn't get it if you're going 12th gen tho, lian li have been having issues with shipping the lga1700 bracket so I'd advise ek rgb or arctic liquid freezer

[remote mural]

I swear you suggested this AIO before hahaha it’s too late now!

Hey guys is this the best or correct fan placement as well for the PSU?

[left pulsar]

PSU is good. I'd probably flip the side fans, but perhaps run it as is a while and record temps.

[remote mural]

Thank you yeah I was thinking same thing when I finished I felt those side fans maybe be other way around

[left pulsar]

Actually I thought a minute and probably should flip, so you'd then have 6in 3out and positive pressure instead of 3in6out negative pressure.

[remote mural]

Honestly I think that’s the way to go, but apparently aesthetically won’t look as good? Gotta see much difference it will be to see if it’s worth it

[left pulsar]

Well you already see the back frames of the bottom fans. It'll look plenty good, as side fans being intake is very common. 3in 6 out would sort of suck extra dust in from anywhere it could, being such a negative pressure ratio.

[shrewd juniper]

I have, still good but their 12th gen bracket is taking forever to ship to people

[azure crown]

i think we went over this in the past and hes just using the 1200 mounting holes on the board

ya know, because asus smart

[shrewd juniper]

Oh ehhh

Those mounts are meh from what I've heard but it works til lian li can ship one

[azure crown]

i mean its just holes in the board

really shouldnt make much of a difference

[shrewd juniper]

I guess

But it does iirc

[azure crown]

i assume maybe the distance from the board to the top of the ihs is shorter for the 1700 socket? thats all that could realistically make it not mount as well

[left pulsar]

Perhaps the ihs is taller/shorter on the 12gen so a new bracket actually makes quite a difference.

[azure crown]

yeah, shorter

would decrease mounting pressure

regardless, i would intake from the bottom and top, then exhaust through the 360mm rad through the side

[shrewd juniper]

Also, cpus and waterblocks actually have a curve to them so if the curve doesn't meet right above the die on the ihs you're not gonna have as good cooling

[azure crown]

yeah, but thats the cold plate, not the mounting bracket

also why are you apron

oh wait i see what your saying

but i couldnt imagine the 1200 mounting bracket could result in an offcentered cold plate alignment

[shrewd juniper]

Pato autocorrected to apron on sips phone

[azure crown]

lol

[shrewd juniper]

Bingo

[azure crown]

damb

[high yoke]

16 fans and 4 radiators ....work in progress

[marsh badge]

sheesh

[rose isle]

just about enough to keep a 12900k cool

[dreamy locust]

Arctic freezer 34 eSports duo + R5 3600x
= 100% load cinebench R32
Max. 68°C good?
Consider that I'm using the base fan curve

[knotty sparrow]

Totally fine

[dreamy locust]

Ok

But...
Big question
Is fan 0% speed the minimum speed the fan can run at?
I have Corsair LL120 (min.600rpm max.1500) at 0% speed they still spin... I thought they would just stop spinning

[knotty sparrow]

The cpu fan has to be spinning always

[dreamy locust]

Not the CPU fan but the case fans

Who would use LL120 on CPU cooler? Xd

[knotty sparrow]

Ah, well that depends on your motherboard mostly and what software you use

[dreamy locust]

MSI bios

[knotty sparrow]

PWM or DC mode?

[dreamy locust]

I'm using pwm, maybe if I set it to DC (voltage) i can make the fan stop spinning

Pwm

[knotty sparrow]

That's what I was thinking too. There's a point where the voltage is too low for it to spin.

[dreamy locust]

Yes, obviously, but how can 0% speed pwm make the fan still spin

Strange

But 0% pwm on CPU cooler makes the fans stop spinning

[knotty sparrow]

Even at 0 pwm speed, it's still 12V

Weird.

[dreamy locust]

So it changes how many Amperes it uses?

[knotty sparrow]

It changes the width of the signal pulses

[dreamy locust]

Oh...
Right, it's a pwm 🤦‍♂️

Bruh

[dreamy locust]

I let cinebench running for a bit and CPU temp: current: 69.4°C max: 70.3°C

That's good I think

Apparently even with adjusted fan curve the freeze 34 can't help much the 3600x under max load...

I watched sometemperatures benchmarks for 3600+freezer 34 and the max. temperature for 3600 is 73°C
And my 3600x goes to only 70°C
So that's pretty good
(All with 100% fan speed)

[knotty sparrow]

70 is perfectly fine. It doesn't even think to start throttling frequency until 80

[hoary granite]

I have a question. I’m brand new to building pcs. I got a i5-12600k and I don’t know what cpu fan would be a good match with it. Can anyone give me some budget choices?

[shrewd juniper]

do you plan to overclock?

[hoary granite]

I don’t plan on overclocking

[shrewd juniper]

scythe fuma 2 will do, depending on country

[low pumice]

Should be able to do pa120 for US

[low pumice]

Btw couldn't find fuma 2's lga1700 brackets

[shrewd juniper]

dont think it has brackets yet

[low pumice]

Found lga1700 brackets for pa120

[shrewd juniper]

ohh cool

even better

[low pumice]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-1700-SS2-Mounting-Coolers-Platform/dp/B09LTQYNSL/

[shrewd juniper]

sick

https://www.amazon.com/Scythe-Mounting-LGA1700-Socket-SCMK-1700/dp/B09LCH78QL but ehh yea

[low pumice]

And I dunno, thermal right straight up lists lga1700 as compatible on their pa120 page without saying any brackets necessary, oh well, that bracket listing lists pa120

[shrewd juniper]

fair

[low pumice]

Take the but out of the link

Danke

[shrewd juniper]

yeah didnt realise it had lga1700 bracket yet cool

lol np

[hoary granite]

So the Scythe is fine?

[unique lily]

Script#5490 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hoary granite]

I’m building a list of parts I need to build a new pc as mine is super old and can’t keep up with new games

[low pumice]

Pa120 will probably perform similarly to fuma 2, pa120 just also has a better looking rgb varient

[remote mural]

What temperatures should we be monitoring that is considered not good for CPU and GPU? think im done building my PC need to install windows + drivers! almost at the finish line!!!!!

[knotty sparrow]

Technically speaking both the cpu and gpu have limiters to keep it from getting too high.
Ideally you want the cpu to hit a max of 80C and gpu core can hit 90C, less than that is better

[remote mural]

thank you ill keep 80 and 90 in mind then, how long should i run tests for?

[knotty sparrow]

Most of the time you'll see the peak temps within 15 minutes or so

You can go longer for stability testing. On critical systems I do a 24hr stress test.

[nova peak]

Hey all. I have 2 cheap kingwin 80mm fans in my Dell prebuilt for exhaust. Is there 1 larger equivalent that would work better? Or should I get 2 noctua 80mm that will exhaust more air?

It’s Dell Inspiron 3670 for reference.

[nova peak]

I’m also getting ready to install the Veetro V5 cpu cooler.

[bright ether]

LEDs on my case fans are occasionally flashing white for a split second, thoughts?

[tepid reef]

would it be overkill to have 3 120mm for outtake on the top, 3 140mm for intake at the front, and 1 140mm for outtake at the rear

for p500A case

[left pulsar]

Yea because that's slightly negative pressure. Perhaps that but leave out the frontmost top fan. 👍

[tepid reef]

so I have 2 120mm on top towards the back?

above the CPU

do the p500a case fans allow all to be chained as 1 connector?

or would I need a splitter

[left pulsar]

Tbh idk, just that generally positive pressure is better so 3in 2out or 3in3out. I'd expect that case to maybe have builtin splitter/hub.

[tepid reef]

alright

theres no hub

[knotty sparrow]

Splitters on the headers will work fine

You can use between 3 and 8 fans on a single header, depending mostly on the fan power draw

[tepid reef]

are there headers on the p500a fans?

[left pulsar]

headers are what the mobo has that fans plug into.

[tepid reef]

sorry I meant splitters

[left pulsar]

Some cases have 2 or 3 fans intake fans w/ builtin sort of splitter. Might have to buy 1 or 2 splitters though (and/or a pack of extensions), although most mobos do have 3+fan headers.

[tepid reef]

• 1 x CPU Fan Connector (4-pin)****
• 1 x CPU/Water Pump Fan Connector (4-pin) (Smart Fan Speed Control)*****
• 3 x Chassis/Water Pump Fan Connectors (4-pin) (Smart Fan Speed Control)******

I could use the CPU/water pump fan for a chassis fan right

[shrewd juniper]

Indeed

[tepid reef]

ive got 3 arctic f12s I think I could daisy chain into 1 connector then

[orchid owl]

does it come with controller

[timid carbon]

ooooof dont get those

[orchid owl]

why

@timid carbon

[timid carbon]

overpriced

and dont look to perform well either

get arctic p12s

argb if you want rgb

[bright ether]

LEDs on my case fans are occasionally flashing white for a split second, thoughts?

[dry arch]

For some reason my cpu fan is on 0 rpm and my idle temp has gone up by +20

anyone know what the cause could be?

+30 degrees

[shrewd juniper]

id suggest turning off your pc and double checking the fan header hasnt come loose

[dry arch]

@shrewd juniper i have double checked everything

it all is attached

[timid carbon]

try running the cpu fans on another header

or try switching pump and fan

[dry arch]

When I swapped the header to CPU_Fan it gave me errors

This has never happened before

@shrewd juniper @timid carbon is there anything else i can try please? my cpu is idling at 75* rn

[timid carbon]

put the pump where the fan is and the fan where the pump is

header wise

[shrewd juniper]

No

[timid carbon]

trash

[lucid kindle]

Any quick recommendations on some thermal paste

I assume something Arctic or Corsair should work

(will be using with an AIO)

[shrewd juniper]

use the stuff that comes with it in the box

if youre reapplying - arctic mx4/mx5

[lucid kindle]

yea going for a reapply, gonna take apart pc and dust everything

[tepid reef]

im sorry $99? for 3 fans?

[knotty sparrow]

That's not exactly uncommon

Doesn't mean it's worth that price but there's lots of fans like that

[tepid reef]

damn i didnt know fans cost that much tho

what are the best budget cpu air coolers for 5600x?

<=$40?

[left pulsar]

Glance at thermalrights peerless assassin 120. $40ish

[tepid reef]

wat about id cooling se 224 xt

[marsh badge]

se 224 xt is meh

for the chip

[tepid reef]

really?

[marsh badge]

5600x is hot

[shrewd juniper]

Thermalright Frost spirit 140

[shrewd juniper]

Se 224xt can do a 5600x just better to spend a tad more

[tepid reef]

what if im not OCing

[shrewd juniper]

Well you should be turning on pbo anyway

[tepid reef]

could I just settle with the se 224xt?

the thermalright costs 2.5x more for me here

[shrewd juniper]

What country?

[tepid reef]

singapore

[shrewd juniper]

Ahh

Whats the options in your price range ?

[tepid reef]

well I mean I was interested in the se 224 xt

wouldve went with just the stock cooler but wouldn't mind spending a little just for a btr cooler

[shrewd juniper]

Se 224 xt would do it fine yeah

[tepid reef]

any better options at the same price or smth

[shrewd juniper]

Thats why i asked you what other options you have in your price range

[tepid reef]

I'm not very sure what other options there are

but if it does the job then I'll prob just get it

[bronze cave]

Building my system today .. any guidance on applying the thermal paste to my i9-12900k?

[marsh badge]

Just apply it normally

[bronze cave]

lol

What's normally? Just a small blob in the middle?

[marsh badge]

Mhm

A vertical line would work fine too

[low pumice]

X method best method

[shrewd juniper]

X shape is best but all is okay

[low pumice]

More thermal paste over not enough imo

[shrewd juniper]

What?

Oh i getchha now

Took me a few reads

[bronze cave]

Which thermal pads do I want to replace the OEM thermal pads on my 3090

[timid carbon]

depends what oem

[bronze cave]

nvidia fe 3090

[shrewd juniper]

All of them probably

[bronze cave]

Sorry, I meant what are the best non-OEM thermal pads to use

[shrewd juniper]

Thermalright odessy are good

[bronze cave]

Thanks Pato!

I don't support anyone has an MSI EDGE Z690 used with an Arctic Liquid Freezer ii 360? I can't get the backplate on even though I have the lga 1700 kit. The mounting plate that holds the socket onto the PCB is in the way.

[cerulean sapphire]

Hey I have a Nzxt 510 case.
It has horrible airflow.

Is there anyway to help it without getting a different case?

[shrewd juniper]

make sure there is no front fans and take off the side panel

[cerulean sapphire]

Why take off the front fans?

[shrewd juniper]

the h510 relies on the negative pressure in the stock setup, putting fans in the front negates that and actually makes it worse

[bronze cave]

Ughh

Can't install my aio

[cerulean sapphire]

So what would be the best fan configuration then?

[shrewd juniper]

Stock, 1 back, 1 top in exhaust

[cerulean sapphire]

I thought positive pressure inside the case was better?

[shrewd juniper]

In like 99.9% of cases but not the h510

[idle tiger]

Positive/negative pressure doesn't matter. Personally I'd rather just run all exhaust fans. Depends on the case and your component layout.

Get a 4u with 3 120's up front 🙂

[shrewd juniper]

Why would you want alll exhaust the dust

[idle tiger]

The difference isn't significant imo, and I just blow dust off the computer ever so often

Leaf blower works well

I mean, look at 4u 24 bay servers, the fans are always in the middle yet dust on the drives just isn't really an issue. I think "negative pressure = dust" assumes that you have both a dust problem, and that the intake fans will have filters on them.

[shrewd juniper]

Well most cases do have a front dust filter and pc on floor

And pets don't help either

[thick carbon]

YESSIR

goodbye NZXT Kraken

[tulip matrix]

Ooo chromax nice choice

[tepid reef]

how thick of the line tho

[low pumice]

Doesn't really matter tbh, a bit thicker doesn't hurt, just 2 lines by squeezing out the thermal paste

[tulip matrix]

For a 12700K I did the X method and I can oc with great headroom thermally

[left pulsar]

I always just spread it thin, but the X method seems pretty good.

[bronze cave]

Anybody using the lga 1700 kit with an Arctic LF II? I can't get it to work.

[tulip matrix]

Thanks I worked hard for it

[tulip matrix]

I don't know too well on who is year one and two

[knotty sparrow]

Spreading is just as good as the X method. Testing shows results within margin of error.

[shrewd juniper]

@nova peak no buying or selling in this server

[nova peak]

Understood

Did I miss that in the chat rules?

And yes I did.

[naive plover]

Could I receive some help please. Will the noctua nh-d15 and nh-u12a both fit in Corsair 4000d airflow case? L1200 mount i7-10700f

[shrewd juniper]

Double post ^

[idle tiger]

Interesting pic, I simp for these P14's all the time https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930562916871204894/940026742121328650/Radiator.jpg

[shrewd juniper]

wow thats interesting

[low pumice]

Interesting

[bronze cave]

Anyone using an Arctic LF with an LGA 1700 kit??

I can't get the backplate to seat right and Arctic tech support is apparently non-existent.

[left pulsar]

Any input on returning my frost spirit 140 w/ cpu, or keep hsf and maybe just buy a lga1700 bracket later? 3days to return, lol.

[low pumice]

Lga1700 brackets that should fit fs140 if you want to buy the brackets
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-17XX-SS2-LGA1700-SS2-Mounting-Platform/dp/B09M8BDGRZ/

[idle tiger]

Tec testing https://i.imgur.com/zHjfMDy.jpeg

[left pulsar]

Thnx 1111, decent price. Would total $60, but still pretty good.

[low pumice]

Can't say I can tell what's going on there, but seems nice and chilly, a12x25 seems to be doing its job

[idle tiger]

TEC module between the u12a and the 1KG copper bar, ambient temp is 20c

[low pumice]

afaik tec just pulls the heat, so tec pulls heat from copper bar for u12a to dissipate? I see the 250 in the background, tec running at 250w?

[idle tiger]

2.5 amps, 12.1 volts

Yeah, when powered, one side of the tec gets cold, the other gets hot. Not sure how efficient, will have more data once the temps stop dropping.

I could calculate it with a calorimeter, but I'm lazy, just going to measure the bar temp as a function of displacement from the tec

Wayyy off here

[tepid reef]

is the id cooling tg-25 thermal paste that comes with the se 224xt good enough

[sacred wren]

It's been working for me

[tepid reef]

oh you got an se 224 xt too?

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah working fine for me too

[left sleet]

Is there any water blocks for rx 580 cards

I'm looking into one but I can't find one on newegg

[covert apex]

Probably because it would be stupid to watercool a RX 580, it's not a high end card

The waterblock would have cost as much as the GPU itself did couple years ago

[left sleet]

True but graphics cards r still really expensive right now

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah but no point spending like 400$ on a custom loop for a 580

[sacred wren]

At that point sell the 580 and buy a scalped 3060 ti

[knotty sparrow]

Some miner will buy the 580 in a heartbeat, no matter the price you set

[idle tiger]

Could just put a $25 universal block on the 580. Build a loop because you want to tbh.

[knotty sparrow]

https://youtu.be/rog8ou-ZepE

[nova peak]

Hey all! Just to confirm… tower cooler with a 120mm fan attached to the fins… do I want the fan airflow pushing against the fins in the direction of my exhaust fans? (Fan on right side of cooler overtop and near the ram. Or do I want the fan on the left side of the fins pulling the heat for the fins and then toward the exhaust fans? I’m thinking right side.

[timid carbon]

Pull air from the front

[knotty sparrow]

Fan over the memory, blowing through the fins towards the rear exhaust

[timid carbon]

Push to the back

[nova peak]

Got it Fal’Cie. RAWR, unfortunately I have Dell prebuilt so no front intake. I do have 1 fan on side for in take. Could drill a bunch of holes in the front bezel. lol.

[knotty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/go-do-it-yes-no-go-for-it-gif-17183104

[nova peak]

Haha

Don’t tempt me. Already have a holes on the bottom for the Corsair psu.

[timid carbon]

DO IT

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[topaz blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-shia-la-beouf-flame-gif-4445204

[rose isle]

why bother with small holes, make one big one:

https://www.amazon.com/NGe-Diameter-Bi-Metal-Aluminum-Stainless/dp/B07T9SR48M

[distant sequoia]

Can I leave my fans at 100% rpm? Or will that drastically shorten their lifespans?

[magic wave]

I mean you can, they might wear out a little faster, and they'll be a bit noisy but the CIA won't stop you

[distant sequoia]

Noise doesn't bother me

But when I keep them at 30% my GPU runs at 82C and at 100% at 70C

[shrewd juniper]

Just use a fan curve

[left sleet]

At least that runs cooler than my rx 580

It goes up to 89 c when I'm playing minecraft(with shaders)

[shrewd juniper]

Use more aggressive curve?

[left sleet]

?

Oh

[shrewd juniper]

Fan curve

[left sleet]

Ya I had to think for a sec

[nova peak]

That’s what someone used in a YouTube video that helped me. Hey it works! Lol

[iron harbor]

Whats the best cooler for the 12900k, budget aside? Sorry for the bother

[shrewd juniper]

excluding custom loops the arctic liquid freezer ii 420mm

[iron harbor]

ty

[quick locust]

Yo does anyone know any good 140mm fans for a radiator that are quiet

I was thinking about silent wings

140mm pwm

But don't know if I should go for the high speed or just the pwm

[magic wave]

Arctic P14

I don't understand not going for PWM unless the motherboard specifically only has 3 pin headers, or the fan has to be powered by the power supply

[shrewd juniper]

Sometimes non pwm 5 pack cheaper by good bit

[magic wave]

I suppose there are exceptions

[rose isle]

The fans included in my Lancool ii ragb are DC fans.. feals like a betrayal.

[timid carbon]

the pc i built for the parents have molex fans

beat that

[rose isle]

I will beat it.. with a stick, untill its dead

[magic wave]

What I don't get is some motherboards have no trouble controlling DC fans while some can't do it at all

Might be related to speedfan and its obsolescence

[shrewd juniper]

Tbf most stock fans are

[timid carbon]

@shrewd juniper this man is trying to personally attack my fans to death can u ban for rule 1 break

[rose isle]

You should ban rawr for giving molex fans to his parents. that woman carried you for 9 months and this is how you treat her?

[shrewd juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/benstiller-dodgeball-touche-gif-4645075

[timid carbon]

:(

fr tho parents pc is full ssd

and better cpu

mine is 1 ssd and 4 salvage hdds

[knotty sparrow]

I gave my wife molex fans
They were all I had for her retro pc build

It's running Vista with igpu on some dual core celeron

[shrewd juniper]

[knotty sparrow]

I know, I'm evil. But she wanted it for the nostalgia, playing old cd games like cluefinders and toy story, so the igpu is overkill for that lol.

[rose isle]

as long as the fans were transparent and had 4 blue LEDs, youre good

[knotty sparrow]

Better yet
They're transparent and have rainbow puke

With no rgb wire

[rose isle]

amazing

[knotty sparrow]

She doesn't mind though. It only needs 2 fans after all. Probably not even that.

If she cared I'd put some p12's in

[hard brook]

im tired of this problem

even if i put the whole aircon in the fan still 100c

[keen ermine]

laptop?

[hard brook]

pc

[keen ermine]

:o

thats like my laptop temps

[hard brook]

[magic wave]

CPU cooler might not be installed correctly

[hard brook]

my pc is pre build

[magic wave]

Do you live in a warm climate or something? What cooler does it have?

[hard brook]

and from what i saw in reviews most of not all of them said the cpu cooler is garbage

its cheap 15$ cpu cooler

@magic wave i can still play in 100c or it will damage my cpu

sorry for the mention

[magic wave]

The CPU has a certified operational maximum temperature, probably something around 100, and it will probably run for years like that but I wouldn't run it like that

[low pumice]

11700k hot

[magic wave]

It's time for a new cooler, new paste

[hard brook]

any recommendation

[low pumice]

What budget

[hard brook]

100$

[low pumice]

Pa120 is 50$

[hard brook]

is 2 fans enough ?

cpu cooler liqued

[low pumice]

Uh

If you want aio go liquid freezer ii

But check case clearance and what it supports

Lf2 performs better

[hard brook]

oki thanks a lot !

[shrewd juniper]

What cpu cooler? What case

Nvm looks like sorted

Tbh 11700 non k should be fine with gammaxx 400 especially in decent case but with pa120 at the price it is

[low pumice]

Gammaxx 400 wouldn't do it imo, it is a hot chip, pa120 would be a good option though

[shrewd juniper]

Is 11700 really that hotter than 10700?

Cuz the non k is still a "65w" chip

[low pumice]

Yes this be 11700k but still, 200w stock isn't exactly cool

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah but i thought the non I wasn't nearly as high

Anyway pa120 the way to go anyway

Wouldn't have suggested gammaxx 400 in particular just mentioning it would have worked

[low pumice]

Dunno, seems too hot for gammaxx 400 personally

[hard brook]

hey sorry again i cant get my hands on lf2 cuz the shipping price is expensive
50$ for shipping

i only can get those

[frozen river]

I have a i9-11900k cpu with a Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB Close-Loop CPU. Should I change to a different cpu cooler or keep this one. I’m moving all my parts into a new case

[shrewd juniper]

What country are you in ?

[hard brook]

KSA

[shrewd juniper]

Sorry where?

[hard brook]

Saudi arabia

[shrewd juniper]

Ahh

[hard brook]

^^

[shrewd juniper]

I mean if you're temps are okay for you then keep it

Lemme have a look at saudi Arabia now

[hard brook]

tyt buddy

[frozen river]

Yeah it keeps the temps cool

[shrewd juniper]

@hard brook how much you looking to spend on the cpu cooler?

[hard brook]

100$

[shrewd juniper]

In local currency?

[hard brook]

400 SAR

[shrewd juniper]

Okay

[hard brook]

around 400 to 500 sar

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah deepcool castle is probably the way to go from what i can see, granted i dont know any local sites but they are decent aios

[hard brook]

which one from the picture

[shrewd juniper]

I mean if you can afford it and it fits in your case the 360 one is the best

[hard brook]

i dont think 3 fans can fit my case

[rose isle]

what case do you have?

[rose isle]

the front?

[hard brook]

Close glass

Case: DEEPCOOL MATREXX 50 ADD-RGB 4F Mid-Tower Case 4x120mm ADD-RGB Fans, Full-size Tempered Glass Side And Front Panel

[rose isle]

you will be bale to fit a 3 fan cooler in the front. But that case may also be why your CPU is so hot

[hard brook]

yah i agree with you but trust me the cpu is really bad

[rose isle]

you can get a 360 mm cooler and mount the radiator in front

[hard brook]

i just wish i can remove the front glass

[shrewd juniper]

You can fit a 360mm in that, because of the glass 240 could be better but I'd still say go 360mm

[hard brook]

wouldn't be better if i install 240m in top of the cpu ?

cuz its not glass

[shrewd juniper]

Honestly it's hard to say because of the glass front

I'd still guess 360 would squeeze out a win

[hard brook]

like that

il go with 360

and install it an front

Thanks guys for the help

[shrewd juniper]

You're welcome

[hollow latch]

Does Ryzen 5 5600g needs air cooler or aio?

If the place don't have aircon just fan only

[shrewd juniper]

An air cooler is all it needs

What country are you in?

[hollow latch]

Philippines hahaha

Should I go buy aio?

Or just proceed with cooler master 212 led turbo argb

[shrewd juniper]

You already have the hyper 212?

[hollow latch]

No gonna buy

[shrewd juniper]

No point buying an aio

Do you have any other options?

Any gammaxx options or something for cheaper?

[hollow latch]

Have but I don't have the list

Cooler master not good?

[shrewd juniper]

The hyper 212 black is okay but usually overpriced

212 non black is outdated

[hollow latch]

Ya 50$

Everything here is kinda op hahaha

[shrewd juniper]

Oof

[hollow latch]

Should I just go with hyper 212 then?

[shrewd juniper]

I mean I'd check your other options

[hollow latch]

Still getting a list. Also is the cl18 gskill trident 3600mhz 16x2 good?

[sacred wren]

3200c16 is better, amd or intel cpu

[low pumice]

@hollow latch try
https://shopee.ph/Arctic-Freezer-34-eSports-Duo-Tower-CPU-Cooler-for-Intel-and-AMD-Socket-i.173777316.8426033019

[hollow latch]

So I should just go with 3200 16x2 CL16?

[sacred wren]

What cpu do you have or are getting

3600c16 is better if it's a 12th gen or an amd cpu

[hollow latch]

Ryzen 5 5600G
MSI MAG B550M Mortar Wifi
G-Skill Trident Neo RGB 16x2 3600Mhz DDR4
2TB SEAGATE HDD 3.5
Gigabyte 512GB NVME Gen 3
Montech X3 Mesh RGB Fan White W/6 RGB Fan
Cooler Master 212 LED TURBO ARGB
Seasonic Focus 80 plus Gold GX ATX Full modular