old-cooling

[hasty ginkgo]

Save you a bit of cash

Or get the 5900x if you want to go the other way with it

[sterile echo]

Bot does not like the s word.

Ok will look towards the Ryzen 5 and a slightly lower cooler 🙂 thanks guys

[shrewd juniper]

Np, well i would look at 5800x if it's in budget tbh

[sterile echo]

Budget is flexible for me. I got a GPU for about MSRP and possibly getting that free CPU if I still have to pay its nbd.

My big concern though is if I upgrade to the 5xxx how will I flash the mobo with the latest firmware for 5xxx

[shrewd juniper]

Just get a motherboard with bios flashback that lets you flash bios with just a usb and power

[sterile echo]

hmm I wonder if the one I picked out has that

[knotty sparrow]

If it's one that's on a list a techie made then probably 😉

[sterile echo]

What list?

[knotty sparrow]

So I guess it's not then
What motherboard?

[sterile echo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nZTzK8/msi-a520m-a-pro-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-a520m-a-pro

[knotty eagle]

Do you have that already or are you buying it?

[sterile echo]

Buying

[knotty eagle]

Don't

[sterile echo]

Making up a microcenter order now

Whats up with that one?

[rustic onyx]

A520

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah A520 plus no flashback

[rustic onyx]

B550 is the minimum you should be looking at for any Ryzen CPU

[knotty eagle]

Really poor VRM for future upgrades and current CPU's, lack of PCI-E 4.0 and other features

and no flashback

[sterile echo]

Ok I can do and upgrade to bb550

[knotty sparrow]

That A520 would be acceptable for something like a 3300

[rustic onyx]

A520 is designed for people who legit only need like a 3100X or a 3200G or 3400G

It's ULTRA budget, similar to H series Intel Chipsets.

[sterile echo]

ok will be jumping that then

Going to jump over to the mobbo channel for more questions since this really doesn't belong here

[shrewd juniper]

I mean at that point you'd just fo b450 since there's like no diff in price

[knotty sparrow]

Alright I've got a fun cooling project coming up. My new GPU has a 240 AIO on it. I already have a 240 for my cpu, mounted on the top. I'm looking for other opinions on how best to approach this.
I've got a meshify C, which supports up to a 360 rad on the front. I'm thinking about doing both coolers intake, top and front, and a single powerful exhaust on the rear, so I'm not blowing the heat from the gpu through the cpu cooler.
Alternatively, I might just jump to a custom loop and use the water block the gpu comes with. This is a more expensive option for sure, since I'd need a new case as well. The one I have is great, but not designed for custom loop.
What do my wegg friends have to say on the subject?

[shrewd juniper]

Why dont you just have the front as intake and top and back exhaust i understand the warm gpu air but isn't it better to have more exhaust then intake? Alternatively why not have the 2 aios exhaust and the back intake although that seems like it would be worse

[knotty eagle]

Better to have more intake than exhaust slightly for positive pressure to keep the dust out.

[knotty sparrow]

My cpu cooler struggles enough already with my overclock. I don't need to add to my problem there

If you have more exhaust than intake, the air has to come from somewhere, and it's usually less ideal places like the pci brackets and gaps in the case.

[shrewd juniper]

Yes yes my brain seemed to have turned off for that reply lol

[rustic onyx]

What CPU are you trying to Overclock that a 240 rad is struggling?

[knotty sparrow]

5800X, PBO hits over 5 GHz all core

[rustic onyx]

Hot damn.

Is the CPU loop custom?

[knotty sparrow]

Nope, just a cheap ML240L

[rustic onyx]

Could be the problem there.

[knotty sparrow]

Not ideal I know, but I got it when I had my 65W 2700

[rustic onyx]

I'd get a Arctic Freezer AIO with that VRM fan thing.

Getting 2 cooling upgrades at one time!

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah my VRM get painfully hot too

This poor mid class X470 board has been through hell and back, but it's still kicking

[boreal sphinx]

How is your pbo hit 5ghz?@knotty sparrow my brother has 5800x and it doesnt go past 4.6

With pbo

Manual oc was better for him

[shrewd juniper]

Pbo is highly dependent on temps? How is your brothers temps and what cooler?

[boreal sphinx]

He has the corsiar h115i(280mm)@shrewd juniper

and his stock temps were pretty bad . Stock voltage was almost 1.4

[shrewd juniper]

Hmm mb just worse bin than fal

[knotty sparrow]

That's idle though, low current, right?

[boreal sphinx]

Hmm i need to check it

I think it was on load

[knotty sparrow]

1.4v under load? Holy... Was LLC maxed out? Don't do that lol

[boreal sphinx]

It was stock settings

He undervolted it its around 1.27 now

Idk why stock was so high

[knotty sparrow]

It shouldn't be that high under load unless you're doing major overclocking. That's just asking for trouble.

If that's the idle voltage, that's normal

[boreal sphinx]

It wasnt 1.4 but close to that

1.375 i think

[knotty sparrow]

1.35v is the max safe voltage under load according to AMD

[boreal sphinx]

👍

Maybe im mistaking and it is the idle voltage

Will check it later

Anyway his pbo wasnt effective

[knotty sparrow]

If you push it too far on PBO you can get negative gains, there's a reason I did +175 and not +200

[shrewd juniper]

Did you do that in bios or in Ryzen master btw?

[knotty eagle]

BIOS

Ryzen master requires reboot anyway

[knotty sparrow]

BIOS, always. Ryzen master is fun but often not stable at the same settings as bios.

[shrewd juniper]

Interesting

So i might be better doing +175 or +150 or auto instead of +200?

[knotty sparrow]

Play around with it. It takes a top bin chip to do +200 effectively.

[knotty eagle]

Need to increase EDC and other things too

IE, power limits

[shrewd juniper]

I think ryzen tuner thing said i had like a c tier chip when i tried before lol

[knotty sparrow]

I wouldn't listen to that lol

[shrewd juniper]

Idk if my board will support that much ,woops

[shrewd juniper]

Okay I'll give a shot then in a bit, thanks

[knotty sparrow]

Many boards have a "board limit" setting for power limits. It's usually higher than base spec.

[knotty eagle]

Ye, need to tinker with PPT and SOC power and a few other things

[rustic onyx]

Damn you J2C... The frosted tubing that Corsair has out now makes me really want to make a Liquid Cooled rig...

But I know I don't need it.

[knotty sparrow]

It would be a lot of fun still

[rustic onyx]

Yeah, but my GPU doesn't even have a block for it.

GTX 1070 Dual from Asus. Love the white color, wish more GPUs were white.

[knotty sparrow]

3D print a bracket

[rustic onyx]

My build is basically "White with Black mobo and cooler"

Lol, you think I own a 3D Printer?

[knotty sparrow]

You don't need to own one, just know someone that does or rent one for a couple hours

[rustic onyx]

Fair enough.

[topaz blaze]

are noctua p14s worth the $4 over the arctic ones?

[magic wave]

Probably

Not

But 4 dollars isn't much

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hyQRsY/be-quiet-pure-rock-slim-351-cfm-cpu-cooler-bk008

Thinking of this for my i7-4790

Or if I get an e3-1271v3

[knotty eagle]

That should do fine for a 4790

if you want one that looks good, ID Cooling SSE 224 XT

about the same cost

[magic wave]

I'd like a smaller tower cooler that stull directs airflow to the back, but isn't the size of a 212

O

Yea

[knotty eagle]

Dark Rock slim is basically a 212 lol

120mm fan

OH it's not, it's 92mm

yeah that one is smaller

[magic wave]

Yea I think I will go for the Pure Rock Slim

Probably just use as many parts from my Lenovo for now so I don't have to spend 400 dollars

[topaz blaze]

@knotty eagle if push pull is usless. How would i negate negative pressure between seven fans? im assuming push pull would work for pressure as im not going for temps

[knotty eagle]

4 in 3 out

[topaz blaze]

How would i do that with 3 front 3 top 1 back? Intake top and back exhaust front?

[knotty eagle]

Or make the front 3 140mm if they fit

The rest 120mm

[topaz blaze]

Okay ill figure it out. thanks

[knotty eagle]

Or just dont use the back fan

Bot sure id use it for intake depending on how the case itself is oriented ie towards a wall

[topaz blaze]

out of pure curiosity, how bad would 6 intake and 1 exhaust be

[knotty eagle]

Bad. No air movement.

Balance it or make it slightly positive to keep dust out.

[magic wave]

you could also adjust the fan speeds

[topaz blaze]

Youre right i can. How would my 3 ml 120s set to 2200 rpm and 4 exhaust (1x1200, 3x1500) do?

ml in the front as intake and 4 exhaust in back

[knotty eagle]

What case is this?

[topaz blaze]

h710

looking to get a better one soon

[knotty eagle]

Probs fine, check GPU temps and CPU temps to find the sweet spot

[topaz blaze]

Okay thanks, really appreciate it

[knotty eagle]

YW

Postive pressure is also for dust, too much exhaust will suck dust in through the side panel gaps, etc

[craggy fable]

Is around 70c ok for gaming for the cpu?

[mystic tiger]

full load, ye

[proud plume]

Anyone know where i can get the mounting brackets for intel 1151 for a h115i pro rgb cooler?

[knotty eagle]

Didn't come with it?

[covert apex]

Send Corsair an email

I'm sure they could send you one

[proud plume]

ya i moved and cant find it

[knotty eagle]

Do what Cody said then, they'll probs send you one

[clear trail]

why are RGB fans cheaper than non RGB fans

[low pumice]

Wat

What rgb fan is cheaper than an Arctic p12

[knotty sparrow]

What good rgb fan at least

[clear trail]

in terms of fans of the same brand

[low pumice]

Prob just things going out of stock

[knotty sparrow]

[low pumice]

Or different lineups

[clear trail]

is the p12 a good fan

[low pumice]

Arctic p12 is the best price to performance fan on the market

:p

Performs just a bit worse than a12x25's, and sell for about 8$ a fan

[rustic onyx]

As for the real best fan? Uhhh, I know Gentle Typhoons are great.

[low pumice]

@rustic onyx price to perf

[rustic onyx]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[low pumice]

And GT vs a12x25s are a discussion for another day

[knotty sparrow]

EK Vardar

[rustic onyx]

Eww

[low pumice]

I still recognize a12x25 as my benchmark for best fan, GT performs similarly though

[knotty sparrow]

Say what you want but they really move air

[low pumice]

There's conflicting info about how they sound and endurance

(a12x25s vs GT)

[rustic onyx]

Not as good as a GT or A12x25

The A12x25 is damn good at moving air.

I don't know why they can't make them in Black though.

[low pumice]

They're doing it

[rustic onyx]

WHAT?!?

[low pumice]

Or we're doing it, until it got moved back

[rustic onyx]

I wonder if they would fit on a Fuma 2...

[knotty sparrow]

Yep finally going to break tradition

[low pumice]

@rustic onyx it's been on their roadmap for a while, it was supposed to be 2021Q1, but moved back to q3 now I think

[rustic onyx]

Dual A12x15's on a Fuma 2 would be peak Fuma 2 performance.

[low pumice]

Lemme grab em

[clear trail]

so what's y'alls recommended CPU fan

[rustic onyx]

What do you mean?

[rustic onyx]

Like cooler wise?

[clear trail]

ye

attaching to a hyper 212

[low pumice]

What budget and what chip

Uhhhh

[rustic onyx]

🤦‍♂️

No.

[low pumice]

Bruh

[rustic onyx]

Don't.

Buy a Fuma 2

[clear trail]

I already have the cooler

[low pumice]

@clear trail take the 212 off and put in a se-224-xt I'd say

[rustic onyx]

Throw it in the trash then.

[low pumice]

There's no gain to adding another fan to 212 imo

It's just a thin heatsink

[clear trail]

how about a noctua NH u12

[rustic onyx]

SE-224-XT is a decent cooler, if you just want a cooler to put on and never really worry about thermals, I'd get a Fuma 2.

[clear trail]

would it be worth it to put that in

[low pumice]

Just do se-224-xt

[rustic onyx]

No...

[clear trail]

I already have that

[low pumice]

U12s overpriced

[rustic onyx]

Just get a SE-224-XT or Fuma 2

Will be better than either of those other coolers.

[low pumice]

Pretty sure se-224-xt outperforms u12s

[rustic onyx]

Pretty sure it does too

[low pumice]

Since even gammaxx 400 outperforms u12s in testing

[rustic onyx]

And the Fuma 2 kicks the crap out of both

[clear trail]

the point is I don't want to buy a whole new cooler when I already have 2 at home

[rustic onyx]

And they are both E-Waste

[low pumice]

Fuma 2 is nice but eh

I think it's in an awkward place

[rustic onyx]

I mean, what else is really better than it before you hit NH-D15 territory?

[clear trail]

would you recommend the D15 then?

[low pumice]

No, I mean build budgeting wise

[rustic onyx]

Oh.

No, i wouldn't.

The Fuma 2 is like, 80% the performance of a D15

[low pumice]

Right now, it's either se-224-xt or freezer ii for me personally

There's no real thing that makes sense for builds imo in-between them, considering price and such

Like 5600x -> se-224-xt
5800x (ew) -> maybe fuma 2
5900x -> freezer ii

Anything up to 10700 I'd do se-224-xt, anything above with smth like freezer ii, because Intel oc

But fuma 2 good cooler where there is a bit extra budget

[clear trail]

and what about air cooling

[knotty sparrow]

Eww he says
I love my 5800X
Just not great price

[low pumice]

What

[low pumice]

Se-224-xt is air cooling

[clear trail]

ah I see

that's actually cheaper than a 212

[low pumice]

Wot

What kinda 212 did you buy

[clear trail]

unless I'm forgetting the price

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hHDJ7P/cooler-master-hyper-212-rgb-black-edition-573-cfm-cpu-cooler-rr-212s-20pc-r1

[plush bay]

The price of the 212 went up a tad iirc

[low pumice]

No, it's the black rgb one xD

Normal 212 still hovering ~25$

[plush bay]

So you recommend the SE-224-XT over the 212

[knotty sparrow]

It should be lower still. I'd only consider 212 under $15

[low pumice]

Yep

Definitely

212 isn't worth the price it's at lol

[clear trail]

the cheapest 212 I see is $30

[low pumice]

Se-224-xt performs very nicely

[plush bay]

I take it the SE is just as cheap with better performance no?

[knotty sparrow]

They used to be good and now they're riding on their reputation, like Samsung

[low pumice]

Yes, se-224-xt atm is cheaper and better

[plush bay]

Noted, ty

[clear trail]

and hows the noise on it

[low pumice]

:p

Quiet according to bleach

Pretty sure bleach bought 10 for his flips

[plush bay]

And the Fuma 2 should be used instead of a U12 from Noctua?

[low pumice]

Demonmit might've bought a few iirc

[shrewd juniper]

Vetroo v5 is also on sale for 23$ atm btw

[low pumice]

At the price, yes, u12s at 60$ is just silly

[plush bay]

Aye

[low pumice]

Yea vetroo nice but I still don't have enough trust in vetroo

[shrewd juniper]

Fair lol

Also some ppl dont want rgb

[low pumice]

Still need better data on se-224-xt and vetroo

[plush bay]

So SE-224 for cheap, Fuma 2 if you wanna spend more, that what I’m picking up here?

[low pumice]

But I've heard from too many people about how se-224-xt performs

[clear trail]

and D15 isn't worth it's cost?

[low pumice]

@plush bay and freezer ii for absolute high end

Meh

[knotty sparrow]

That's the gist yeah

[plush bay]

Got it

[low pumice]

D15 is niche

I don't like it's position nowadays

I'm waiting on next generation d15 Noctua promised for q4 this year

[knotty sparrow]

Good for people deathly afraid of liquid

[low pumice]

Oh wait they moved it to 2022

Damn it

[plush bay]

F

Which quarter

Or do they not say

[low pumice]

Just 2022

[plush bay]

Merde

Oh well

[clear trail]

so seeing as I have 2 perfectly acceptable (despite y'alls views on price) coolers, would it be worth it to wait for the new D15 or should I just get a 224 this summer

[knotty sparrow]

It's really up to your use case. If you need cooler temps now, se-224. If you want even cooler temps, wait or go liquid.

[clear trail]

wait it is then, my temps will be fine another year

[low pumice]

If it's fine, no need for new cooler.

[plush bay]

You guys are all wrong, obviously the best cooler is a box fan, duh

I am joking for the record

[low pumice]

I'm not

[plush bay]

Well I deducted that your aren’t

Ty for your recommendations btw

[low pumice]

Dunno why image took so long to load

@plush bay box fan is actually nice for laptops tho

[plush bay]

Interesting

I use a Kooltek for mine

Was cheap and reduces temps on my laptop by 5C

[shrewd juniper]

Mine performs nice even in a nzxt s340(4000d airflow as of today but haven't done temp tests yet

[low pumice]

Heh

Box fan allows me to boost to ~3.5ghz maintaining ~80c when it would only boost to around 3.2ghz at ~100c beforehand

It's just lotta cooling

[plush bay]

Lol damn

[low pumice]

Also proven OC tactic by intender for the past decade

[plush bay]

I usually have my laptop top at 82C when the cooler is on

[low pumice]

Nice hwbot points

[plush bay]

Though I just got a can of compressed air and blasted the fans clean, now it hovers at 75C without the fan

So, meh

[knotty sparrow]

I need to do that with my radiator... I'll do that when I get my new gpu I think

[modest lava]

small question, anybody have good white rgb fan recomendations cheaper than corsair

[idle tiger]

https://www.newegg.com/p/2Z0-002T-00027

[magic wave]

[radiant leaf]

I think unifan white is slightly cheaper than corsair white on newegg. I think unifan has better cfm and static pressure than the corsair ones too?

also lian li connect > icue trash software

[weary slate]

Also in general I just think the unifan looks cooler personally

[radiant leaf]

ya i really like the effects on it

and the cable management is really nice

[weary slate]

If it wasn't for the fact I already spent way too much on my pc I would probably get unifans lol

[radiant leaf]

theyre reallly quiet too

[weary slate]

$1200 budget in November really turned into like $1700 now that the build is done.

Now that I have all the parts* back home and putting it together Monday

[proper dove]

when I bought the parts for my pc, I almost bought an aftermarket cooler, but I remembered that someone who worked for Newegg said that stock coolers are more than sufficient if you're not doing anything crazy, like overclocking your cpu beyond it's limits

[low pumice]

meh

depends heavily on which cpu and which stock cooler

[shrewd juniper]

not true lol, a gammaxx 400 or equivalent will perform better temp wise and get higher boosts etc

[proper dove]

just so happens the the AMD CPU I got. the anniversary one in the gold box, came with an rgb wraith cooler

[low pumice]

2700x with wraith prism

is good

[proper dove]

yep, I believe that's the one

[low pumice]

But a lot of other chips don't do too well on just stock cooler

For example, 5600x with wraith spire is... iffy at best

[proper dove]

understood

[low pumice]

It will run but

It will throttle

[proper dove]

isn't that a more expensive version of my cooler?

[shrewd juniper]

even a 3600 with stock cooler can get toasty

wraith comes with the ryzen 3s and 5s

wraith spire*

[proper dove]

so, it's a considerable step down then?

Carey Holzman, that's the guy's name I've been trying to remember

[full karma]

what cooler would u recommend to go with Asus PRIME B550M-A (WI-FI)? im using stock aio and my temps seem a little high

[knotty eagle]

Cooler doesn't matter for MB, it matters for CPU. What CPU is it

[full karma]

sorry i bought it prebuilt. know how to build but i know nothing about cooling lol

ryzen 7 3700x

[knotty eagle]

What AIO is it?

Stock AIO you mean stock cooler?

[full karma]

not sure its a cyberpower pc one

yeah

[knotty eagle]

Wraith Prism?

Or a 120mm AIO that came with the cyberpowr?

This is the stock AMD cooler, is it something different?

[full karma]

yes its something different

i cant post pic of it

<

[knotty eagle]

DM it lol

[full karma]

kk haha

[shrewd juniper]

120mm aio probs

[knotty eagle]

It is

[shrewd juniper]

damm cyberpower

[knotty eagle]

pics incoming

[shrewd juniper]

bruhhh why

[knotty eagle]

120mm AIO isn't enough

[shrewd juniper]

its such a waste

120mm aio ewaste

[full karma]

whats wrong with it lol

[knotty eagle]

Too small

For the CPU

[shrewd juniper]

just to tick a box that says watercooling

[knotty eagle]

not enough cooling as you know now

Is there room at the front for 2 120mm fans?

[shrewd juniper]

will get outperformed by a 30$ air cooler tbh

[full karma]

really? wow

[knotty eagle]

Might not be enough room for a good air cooler

[full karma]

one sec

[magic wave]

is it mounted with the pump up and the radiator down

[knotty eagle]

Case looks skinny

It's mounted fine

[magic wave]

trying to orient myself in space here

https://tenor.com/view/astronaut-space-moon-stars-night-gif-19980398

[shrewd juniper]

the problem is it being 120mm not the rad orientation lol

take those pillows off the top

[knotty eagle]

Not enough room there to top mount an AIO for sure

[full karma]

hmm

[shrewd juniper]

but moving the pillows isnt a bad idea lol not helping the situation

[knotty eagle]

NO need for more pics lol

How wide is the case?

[full karma]

it is....

one sdec

[knotty eagle]

Because an air cooler like this would do better if there's room https://smile.amazon.com/Vetroo-Cooler-Processor-Universal-Addressable/dp/B08F21X2VP/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Vetroo+V5&qid=1619907229&sr=8-2

needs 148mm from the CPU

[full karma]

8.5 inch

wide

[knotty eagle]

How much from the MB to the side panel?

[full karma]

18.5 long

[knotty eagle]

The cooler I linked is 5.8 inches tall

So might be tight with the side panel on

[full karma]

id say like 7 inches or so

i think there would be room

[knotty eagle]

That air cooler would do a better job then to be honest

[full karma]

i mean

[knotty eagle]

Or if there's room in the front mount a 240mm AIO

[full karma]

is there something more expensive thatd be better? i dont mind dropping some cash

for bigger improvements

if you know what i mean

id like to stick with aio

[knotty eagle]

Well

You need to have ROOM for an AIO

[shrewd juniper]

you can only stick with an aio if you have enough room yeah

[knotty eagle]

I can already tell you can't mount one at the top

So it has to go in the front

Need at least 50-60mm clearance in the front for fans and radiator

and also good air intake

[full karma]

yeah thats right

[shrewd juniper]

how much room is there on top where the pillows are on top of the case? looks like you might be able to mount a 240mm one

[knotty eagle]

Not much room between the top of the case and the MB

judging from the pics

[shrewd juniper]

ahh

[knotty eagle]

Unless the fan slots are offset?

[full karma]

theres almost 2 inches from top of the back fan mount

[knotty eagle]

Width wise

Are the fan mounts offset enough to clear the motherboard

Most AIO's are about 2.5 inches thick

[full karma]

yes theyre offset

the fan mount on the back

if u want i have side panel off if u want pics lol

[knotty eagle]

This one for no RGB https://smile.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-All-One/dp/B07WSDLRVP/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=arctic%2Bfreezer%2Bii&qid=1619907738&sr=8-3&th=1
Or this one with RGB https://smile.amazon.com/EK-Premium-EK-Vardar-High-Performance-Computer/dp/B0842Z9WYG/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=ek+240mm&qid=1619907759&sr=8-1

[full karma]

thats how much room there is

ty btw

[knotty eagle]

Yeah, there's enough room there I'd say

WHY does it keep going sideways LOL!!

Literal copy and paste -_-

[full karma]

no idea LOOL

[knotty eagle]

But yeah, should be able to get a 240mm aio up ther4e

[full karma]

would no aio be better tho do you think?

or like would i be able to get into tubed water cooling? lol

i am a plumber hahah

[knotty eagle]

Just get an AIO

[full karma]

just not sure whats compatible

[knotty eagle]

by the time you spend money for the pump and all the other goodies, AIO's are cheaper

Either of the two I listed are top of the line

and 100% compatible

[full karma]

so the dual fans wont be a problem you think?

[knotty eagle]

Nah

[full karma]

so the fans would go where the single big one is now?

sorry about all the questions lol

[knotty eagle]

No it would get mounted to the top of the case

Like that

[full karma]

ohhhh okay sweet

why does yours have 3 :p

ohh dumb question

urs is 360mm

[knotty eagle]

ye

bigger case

[full karma]

mine looks the same size tho

[knotty eagle]

Your case???

Def not

XD

[full karma]

360mm is 14.1 inches and i have 16inches of room from one end to the other

[knotty eagle]

My case is 20x20x9.75"

[full karma]

im just curious

ohh okay

[knotty eagle]

Gotta check the fan mounts at the top

and make sure there's room for 3

Plus it's a bit longer than 360mm because of the tubes on the end

add about an inch

[full karma]

hmmm

yeah cuz theres mounts all along the top going from one end to the other

yeah that aio says its almod 19 inches long so thats a definate no go. ill stick with dual fans

that will definately keep the whole thing a lot cooler

thanks for all the help!

[knotty eagle]

Welcome!!

[alpine crescent]

got a lian li 011 dynamic with 3x 360 rads.. getting warmer temps than i was before in my old case with 2x 240 and a 360.. heat soak you think?

[shrewd juniper]

whats your orientations of the fans?

[slender pagoda]

Are fans installed correctly as intakes? I dont mean to condescend but I have seen it happen before.

[topaz blaze]

Try changing some to push air out

[edgy turret]

Gaming laptops go brrrrtttt

[weary slate]

🙄don't get me started on my workstation laptop

[craggy rampart]

How you gon tell me my full size case cant fit a 360mm rad

[knotty sparrow]

Which case?

[honest flint]

Why make that whirring sound and why so loud

Did me do sumthin wrong

[magic wave]

maybe it's oriented a bit wrong

how is it nstalled int he case?

[honest flint]

AM4 bracket

Maybe I’ll try reinstalling onto the bracket

[magic wave]

as in exactly how it's oriented

[honest flint]

It’s cooling properly

[magic wave]

looks like a good orientation

[honest flint]

Yea I’ll try reinstall it

Maybe that’ll fix

I know it’s cooling properly so I’m not sure what it is

I reinstalled it but still makes that weird sound

Could I have a defect?

[magic wave]

is the pump running 100%

[ancient gale]

My fans are Daisy chained and powered by molex how do I power them if I don’t have a molex connected, and how do I plug in the fan header if it’s Daisy chained? Do I put it into system fan1 and all of them get powered? (Fans are daisy chained by default from the case)

[magic wave]

if it's on a fan header that's not told to run at 100%, it would not perform as well as it could (which you say it's performing fine so maybe not)

[magic wave]

see what options are in the pump drop down

[honest flint]

They all make the sound just at different volumes

[magic wave]

hmm

should have the pump on 100% anyway

[honest flint]

How I do that

It said in manual to put the pump cable into cpu fan

Maybe I try cpu pump?

[magic wave]

extreme setting I guess

[honest flint]

Even louder

[magic wave]

yea

[honest flint]

I’ll try putting the cable onto cpu pump spot

[magic wave]

I don't look at aio stuff much

[honest flint]

Cpu fan doesn’t seem right

Yea this is my first experience with aios lol

[magic wave]

what mobo and aio do you have?

[honest flint]

Corsair H100i capellix

Msi b550m mortar

Apperently this isn’t a super rare Issue

[magic wave]

hm

got links to any forum discussion or somehting like that?

[honest flint]

Looking at the forums it’s not too terribly uncommon as far as defects go

https://www.reddit.com/r/Corsair/comments/jzvwsw/help_h100i_elite_capellix_pump_whine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[magic wave]

maybe you should return it

[honest flint]

Yea that’s what I’m thinking

Yea I’ve tried a few things it’s definetly the pump

Lol my first aio and it’s a defect

[magic wave]

😔

[honest flint]

My family just has a history of getting all the defects lmao

[knotty sparrow]

It could also just be air in the loop. Let it run for a couple hours with the pump on max.

[honest flint]

Yea I might try that as well first

[knotty eagle]

If the tubes are at the bottom letting it run won't help

Gotta tip the case on it's back

AH, I see it now

top mount

[honest flint]

Not on the bottom

On the side

But among defects this is a more common one I’ve found

[knotty eagle]

Ye

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah to mount. Still a good idea to tip it though, it'll help work out any air. Front to back and side to side once in a while.

[honest flint]

Lots of forums about it

[knotty eagle]

ye, which is why we kinda don't recommend them

[honest flint]

Tip the case on its back?

[knotty eagle]

if it keeps up return it and get something else

[knotty sparrow]

Not too far, just a little

[honest flint]

How’s diat

The phone charger holding it up giving me a tad of anxiety ngl

[knotty eagle]

Tip it forward on the face

Maybe even on it's top a little bit

[honest flint]

Like

/

[knotty eagle]

Ya

[honest flint]

K

lol

[knotty eagle]

so the hoses are facing up

then slowly back down

[honest flint]

This is very precise technique

[knotty eagle]

Yes, very scientific

[honest flint]

Yes

Aerodynamic

K idk I’d I’m doing it right

But

I hav tipped it 3 time nowe

[knotty eagle]

oh

well

If it didn't help

[honest flint]

U do mean like dis rihgt

Just to clarify I’m doing the procedure correctly

[knotty eagle]

ON the face where the fans are

Front panel

[honest flint]

Rip upside down

Ah

Ok

Ty

Hm is hard my cables prevent from doing that

Well I’ve done that and Ye nothing change

[knotty eagle]

Well poo

[honest flint]

I wiggled the pc around a lil bit to see if it was air bubbles

[knotty eagle]

I guess live with it or exchange it

[honest flint]

Oh hell naw I ain’t livin with this

[knotty eagle]

That bad huh

[honest flint]

I’d go deaf

[knotty eagle]

We usually recommend Arctic Freezer, EVGA or Lian LI

AF has ro RGB tho

[honest flint]

I mean it’s not too terribly loud but it’s high pitched and irritating af

Yes but my boi Chuc here wants RGB

U see

Lol

[knotty eagle]

the other two have RGB 😉

[honest flint]

Maby try a kraken

[knotty eagle]

Blech

[honest flint]

Lol

It’s mirror design is weird ig

[knotty eagle]

overpriced and poor-med cooling

[honest flint]

Ye

Fans are $$$$ and I’ll prob end up replacing

[wraith rose]

Isn't the EK AIO supposed to be good?

[knotty eagle]

it's the best RGB cooler there is

Lian Li right behind it

Arctic Freezer is the best cooling AIO period but no RGB

[honest flint]

Turn volume up max and that’s what it sounds like most likely

Lol

[knotty eagle]

Yeah forget that lol

My EVGA CLC is quiet

I did replace the fans because EVGA fans HOLY LOUD

[honest flint]

It sounds like an giant Mosquito

Imma leave running at extreme speed or whatever it’s called for a few hour

See what happens

Damn I was really looking forward to this cooler lol

Is just so sexy

[knotty eagle]

AIo pump should be 100% 100% of the time

cooling adjusted by fan speed

[honest flint]

The quietest setting is balanced which is still quite noticeable

Quiet and extreme both are the same

So you think I should ask for a refund or a replacement?

[knotty sparrow]

I'd go for refund and swap for one of the ones vintage mentioned

[honest flint]

Ok

[knotty sparrow]

Better bang for buck

[honest flint]

Yea

Pity the good looking ones are the not so great ones

[knotty eagle]

Have you seen the Galahad?

[honest flint]

I mean the cooling with this cooler is fairly good it’s keeping my 3800x at 29 on idle

[knotty sparrow]

They have to cover up the subpar components with a shiny layer lol

Idle temps don't mean jack

[honest flint]

Ik

[knotty eagle]

Yeah lol

[honest flint]

But compared to my factory issue cooler

[knotty eagle]

idle on my 3700x is 30c but if I PBO and push it it hits 75+ no issues and 125W

[knotty sparrow]

Liquid idle is always cooler than air cooled

[honest flint]

Exactly that’s why I upgraded

Well

[atomic jetty]

sucks yours is so loud, I have the same one and it's fine for me

[honest flint]

“Upgraded”

[honest flint]

Yea

[atomic jetty]

do you really not have a "quiet" option for the pump? that's what mine is set at, about 2200 rpm

[honest flint]

I do

Quiet

Balanced

[knotty sparrow]

The quiet option was apparently as loud as extreme

[honest flint]

Extreme

[atomic jetty]

Ohhhh gotcha

[honest flint]

^

[atomic jetty]

I guess I misread

[raw gull]

Anyone do a mineral oil PC?

Curious as to how that went

[little skiff]

That is one of those ideas that is on my "But, why?" list

[atomic jetty]

"because it looks cool"

[raw gull]

Same actually

Might do it for a living room PC so it's on display sorta

[topaz blaze]

knock a wall out and make the entire thing the reservoir

[raw gull]

Make the whole room the reservoir with people having to be in diving gear

[ancient gale]

It’d be unnecessary for a 360 mil aio for an R5 3600 right?

[knotty eagle]

3600 doesn't need an AIO period, just a good air cooler

[ancient gale]

Alr thank you

[knotty eagle]

ID Cooling or vetroo be plenty

[ancient gale]

Alr I have the vetroo I’ll see how it cools!

[raw gull]

Which is usually better, front mounted radiator or top mounted?

[knotty eagle]

Top

[raw gull]

Even if it's 240mm vs 360mm?

[knotty eagle]

Top mount is always best

Keeps the pump flooded no matter what

and the air out

[raw gull]

If you put the tubes on front mounted towards the bottom isn't it the same?

[knotty eagle]

Eh

air can get stuck in the pump that way

Air wants to go up, not down

[raw gull]

Hm

[slender cape]

I'm a little lost on RGB and ARGB...

I have an 8 ping header on the motherboard (MSI B350 GAMING PRO CARBON)... I recently got a Nzxt case (H510 Elite)... The connector in the case is a thicker 4 pin....

Did I buy the wrong case for my motherboard? Is there a cable I need that will connect them? (I've gotten so many migraines looking for one)

Please... Help!!!!! :tired_face:

[knotty eagle]

So, RGB is 4 pins and 12 volts

aRGB is 3 pin and 5 volts

There is no 8 pin RGB

The header on the motherboard should have a white base for the RGB and be 4 pins

Your board has 1 4 PIN RGB connector on it

Located on the bottom edge of the board on the left hand side

[knotty sparrow]

I'm betting the 8 pins are the front panel headers

[knotty eagle]

Ya

[slender cape]

It looks like the JFP1 (I believe) but next to that one is another header JRBG.

I assume thats where I would connect any RGB to the board. Unless that's a control for RGB on the front panel.

[knotty eagle]

I checked the manual for your motherboard

It lists the RGB header on the bottom left

2nd connector in

[slender cape]

It's an 8 little pin connector?

[knotty eagle]

No, 4 pin connector for RGB

Form the manual

JLED

[slender cape]

I'm using JLED for the RGB controls?

[knotty eagle]

Should work yes. It's the only choice you have and both are 12V

According to the manual that's the only RGB connector on the board

[slender cape]

What's the JRBG plug on the board for

Header

[knotty eagle]

B350 Gaming Pro Carbon yeah?

[slender cape]

Yeah

Am4

Along the bottom row... There is an 8 pin header labeled JRBG1

[knotty eagle]

Are you sure you aren't misreading something? RGB isn't 8 pin

That's from the manual

[slender cape]

Hmmm. I swear it said JRGB1... Huh.

I even opened my own manual in my hands... Abd until now have been reading it as such.

So... I just need a wire that runs from from that 4 pin to the 4 pin plug at the front of my case?

Is that even a good case for the mother board?

Also...thank you. You've been more help then MSI and Nzxt support

3 Months later

[knotty eagle]

Welcome!

[low pumice]

There does seem to be a "JPIPE_LED1", but not sure what that does

[slender cape]

Could that be used for future customizations/upgrades?

[low pumice]

I may just be going crazy, because it doesn't show up on the manual, but it's on the mastersheet

[errant hawk]

My 360 ghallihad has some pump whine and two of the rgb fans don't work going to return it should I just go for another or is there other aio's that are quieter by a bit? I liked the look of the block on the ghallihad, (ek's looks cheap to me) and other options was freezer 2 which was without rgb and I only saw a black option and coolers that costed 50 dollars more are they worth the cost?(trying to have a white and black pc have black motherboard and power cables wanted everything else to be white).

[knotty eagle]

Id just echange it. Surprised you had issues tbh.

[errant hawk]

Ok

[raw gull]

Are liquid cooling kits worth the money or should I just buy the pump and the tubes seperately

[fervent canopy]

Is ever too late to be overkill on cooling ? Cooling fans on the inside and cooling fans on the outside, turns pc into a multi-fan-cooler

Just ordered 1 Arctic P12 coolers, thanks to @shrewd juniper suggestion!

[boreal sphinx]

You mean push -pull on raditors?@fervent canopy

If so it does give abit of extra cooling

[fervent canopy]

Eyup, on the outside and noice looks like it would be worth for the extra cooling

[timber comet]

is this paste any good? thinking about changing my paste because it's rather old

i7 2600 with stock cooler

damn ok

[timid carbon]

change the cpu and the cooler while ur at it as well

[timber comet]

pls go tell your jokes somewhere

[magic wave]

somewhere

[timber comet]

else*

[timid carbon]

You incorrectly assume I am joking tho.

[magic wave]

this is a somewhere

[timber comet]

because I'm asking about thermal paste and you tell me to replace my cpu and cooler

[timid carbon]

I mean there really isnt any point spending more money on the cooler or cpu you said you had

[timber comet]

ok

I will anyway

[timid carbon]

What was the point in asking then lmao

[timber comet]

if that paste I sent is any good

[shrewd juniper]

Nb

[shrewd juniper]

Mx4 should be pretty cheap and wouldn't worry too much about thermal paste the good ones don't differ that much from the meh ones that much, like a degree or too

[shrewd juniper]

With a cpu that old, don't bother getting a new cooler, most wont support the old bracket and not worth it tbh

[timber comet]

I'm fine with the stock cooler, it has very low idle temps, the gpu runs a bit hotter but its also overclocked

[magic wave]

what's this about bracket

[timber comet]

maybe I should change the gpu paste rather than the cpu

yea the bracket is old and different coolers might not even make a difference

[timid carbon]

idle temps dont matter

only load

[timber comet]

they're both fine really

the old i7 does its job at pretty low temperatures

[timid carbon]

what are they under load?

[timber comet]

around 50° celsius, doesn't ever hit 60°

[timid carbon]

then why u changing paste lmao

[timber comet]

its old but I guess the GPU paste needs more changing

[timid carbon]

what are gpu temps under load?

@timber comet

[timber comet]

I think about 79-80

its 39 idle

[timid carbon]

idle doesnt matter

[timber comet]

you already said that

[timid carbon]

also those gpu temps are completely fine

[shrewd juniper]

What kinda fan curve do you have on your gpu?

[timid carbon]

no need to change paste

[shrewd juniper]

Older GPUs that's dangerous temps

[timid carbon]

80 is fine

[shrewd juniper]

Newer gpus have higher thermal limits craipop

I would just make a more aggressive fan curve tbh

[timid carbon]

80 is fine on old cards as well

[timber comet]

pixels on my monitor are huge

[shrewd juniper]

Don't start the curve at 50c jeez

[timber comet]

where do I put it?

[shrewd juniper]

Move everything over to the left by like 20c

And let the fan go to 100 if it needs to

[timid carbon]

^

[shrewd juniper]

No wonder your gpu is so hot lol

[timid carbon]

also make the curve slightly more aggressive

[shrewd juniper]

Don't let it get to 100%

[timber comet]

its under 80%

[shrewd juniper]

And you brought down your total fan speed at the high end

I meant 100c

When it's like 90c put on 100% fan

Or 85

C

[timber comet]

better?

[timid carbon]

Make it more like that

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah

I'd recommend something like craipops

[timid carbon]

Thats good

[timber comet]

its way louder now oof

[shrewd juniper]

That's because you're fans are actually spinning

I'd bother repasting it after about 4 or 5 years anyway might help by a few degrees

After purchase*

[timid carbon]

Do gpu testing for a bit and let us know what the temps are

[timber comet]

I'll see after I'm done with online classes

also could you help with Overclocking? in #overclocking ?

[timid carbon]

cpu or gpu?

[timber comet]

gpu

[boreal sphinx]

Dont

[timid carbon]

Which gpu u got?

[timber comet]

i7 2600, cant be overclocked

1050ti

[boreal sphinx]

Its allready hot you want it to be hotter

[timber comet]

its already overclocked but idk if i did it right

[shrewd juniper]

Well it's a 1050 ti you might get 5% better but you don't like the fan speed so it's gonna get louder because it gets hotter

[timid carbon]

unless undervolt overclock

[timber comet]

as soon as it doesn't overheat and melt, its fine

[shrewd juniper]

Tbf that's cuz they had a janky fan curve

[timid carbon]

very janky

[boreal sphinx]

Yeah

Test temps again

And see

[timber comet]

I also went from 60fps on gtav to 80-100fps

[boreal sphinx]

Doesnt make sence

[timber comet]

yea right

gta online still runs at 40-60

yo its at 36° rn

[boreal sphinx]

Idle doesnt matter

[timber comet]

ms teams, gpu tweak and hwinfo open

[boreal sphinx]

Check load

[timber comet]

yea but it was about 38-39 before

[shrewd juniper]

You wouldn't gain that much on a stable overclock

[timber comet]

that means its not stable?

[boreal sphinx]

if you dont see arctifacts and game doesnt crash no

[timber comet]

it doesn't crash or anything

[shrewd juniper]

Most likely not, did you stress test it with furmark or something?

[timber comet]

i didn't

[boreal sphinx]

How much did you increase core clock

And memory

[raw gull]

Is there a water cooling kit that's good to buy or should I buy individual pieces?

[boreal sphinx]

Ek have good ones

You want soft tubing right

[timber comet]

i sent pics in #overclocking

[raw gull]

Someone suggested i use soft tubes first before trying hardline ye

Was looking at thermaltakes soft tube kit.

[boreal sphinx]

Im never done water cooling but i know someone that used ek kit and he said it was good

[raw gull]

Ah

[boreal sphinx]

So cant suggest anything else then ek ...

[raw gull]

Trying to go through their website and I'd have to decide whether or not I'm liquid cooling my GPU as well. Even though I don't have a gpu yet for the build. Guess I'll wait. If i see that 6900XT Liquid Devil in stock again i might pick it up even though it's expensive :(

Or i guess I could just get a waterblock

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah you can just buy an ek water block if you don't wanna pay the premium

[boreal sphinx]

@raw gull dont pay 2500 for this card

You can get a strix 3090 for less

Or yeah waterblock the best

[timid carbon]

thats basically idle gpu

[raw gull]

Liquid Devil was just under 2000$ at MC lol.

[timber comet]

yea

[boreal sphinx]

Hmm under 2k maybe worth it a 6900xt +water block will probably cost yoh the same

[raw gull]

Especially since the Liquid Devil has an unlocked clock when other 6900xt's max at 3000mhz or whatever

[boreal sphinx]

Max at 3k?

I saw jaytowcents reach like 2900 with the liquid devil in a ice bucket

[timber comet]

39 fps furmark

[raw gull]

Ye. The 6900xt will only go up to 3000mhz but with liquid nitrogen they hit 3200mhz

[timber comet]

2317 points

[boreal sphinx]

Maybe it was 3200 and im mistaking not sure

[timber comet]

55° max

56

[shrewd juniper]

The thing you need to look for when overclocking is any artifacts, ie any glitches like

[timber comet]

if the rog logo doesn't move?

2297 points now

it says scanning for artifacts

[shrewd juniper]

Ehhh download the regular version idk what the rog rebrand is supposed to look like

[timber comet]

did 3 different stress tests and it didn't find any

[shrewd juniper]

It doesn't scan them for you

You need to keep an eye out for them

[timber comet]

I saw noth3

nothing*

[solemn juniper]

rgb fans that are good and compatible with aura sync?

[silver delta]

my friend thot this was a house 😔

[serene moth]

lol

[dry dawn]

good aio for a 5600x?

preferably a little on the budget end

[shrewd juniper]

Arctic liquid freezer ii or ek aio

[dry dawn]

wow that is a look isnt it

is that a fan on the heatsink?

wow the ek looks nice

ive heard of the galahad

how is that?

[shrewd juniper]

You can take the heatsink fan off lol

[dry dawn]

yeah thats fine i dont really mind that

i like how the ek looks

also the galahad looks pretty clean

[shrewd juniper]

Galahad is like 3rd after arctic and ek

[dry dawn]

i see

what is the cheapest aio

[shrewd juniper]

Not a good one

Or you mean out of the 3?

[dry dawn]

cheapest aio that is still a good value

[shrewd juniper]

Ek non rgb is cheapest

[dry dawn]

i see

[shrewd juniper]

It's like 80 or 90$

[dry dawn]

oh thats pretty nice

https://www.amazon.com/aigo-AT240-Liquid-Cooling-Radiator/dp/B08P2YKZV1/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=aio&qid=1620242326&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFMMFFSOVpXUjMxSTgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAxMDU2NzMzSVJRUDlQME4wNVdIJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA3Mzc1OTc3VVRGWTRHR0JUSlomd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

i see random

[shrewd juniper]

Arctic is like 110 iirc

[dry dawn]

amazon ones like

this

yeah the artic is 110

[shrewd juniper]

Wouldn't get a random one tbh

[dry dawn]

https://www.amazon.com/CoolerMaster-MasterLiquid-Close-Loop-Cooler-SickleFlow/dp/B086BYYFG5/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=aio&qid=1620242353&sr=8-3

yeah that one is a little iffy

how is this one?

[shrewd juniper]

It's known for leaking sometimes

And meh

[dry dawn]

oh dang

dont want leaks

have those aios ever gone on sale?

[shrewd juniper]

Well it's rare I'd say but not rare enough in that one

Not really

[dry dawn]

https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-AURAFLOW-240-Cooler-2X120mm/dp/B084GKZVBX/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=aio&qid=1620242353&sr=8-8

id cooling for 65?

[shrewd juniper]

But you don't need an aio something like a scythe fuma 2 would do a good job

[dry dawn]

scythe fuma 2

hmm

i like the aesthetic of aios a little

and for the price of some air coolers i could just get an aio

[shrewd juniper]

Ehh i don't know how good id coolings aios are

But their air coolers are good

[shrewd juniper]

Fair lol

[dry dawn]

i see

[shrewd juniper]

I'd go ek non rgb it's like 90ish

Mb 80

Well if you don't mind not having rgb

[dry dawn]

it just looks so

bland yk

it does look pretty clean though

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah i getcha

[dry dawn]

think im better off waiting for a sale then maybe

the stock cooler is getting a little toasty

but around 82 83 should be fine

[shrewd juniper]

I've never seen them on sale but idk

[fervent canopy]

Are the Noctua NF-F12 (120mm) worth getting ?

I'm trying to find a 5 bulk pack

[low pumice]

Arctic P12's are great fan options for usually a good bit cheaper

[shrewd juniper]

Like 15/fan cheaper yeah

[covert apex]

Noctua does not sell 5 packs and they are $20 a fan usually, you can buy a 5 pack of Arctic P12s for $40 usually

[shrewd juniper]

A12x25 pwms are currently 32$ per fan

Tbf the chromax ones are 25$ but still

Even if you price out per fan arctics are still a steal

[covert apex]

The person said F12

[shrewd juniper]

Ohh well the Arctics should beat them anyway

[paper patrol]

Any of you guys have uni fans?

[errant hawk]

Why are the uni fans so much more expensive than the st120's? Can't seem to find the difference is it bearing type or something.

[wraith rose]

Uni fans do the connec

They interlock, so you can connect up to four fans together and only have one fan cable and rgb cable leading away from them

It is a gimmick which is useful for those who don't like cable managing stuff I guess, you just gotta pay a premium

[errant hawk]

Ok doesn't seem worth it to me if thats the only thing besides rgb style.

[wraith rose]

They also have reduced CFM

That is worth more right?

[knotty sparrow]

The ironic thing is if you max out a large case like the O11 you can end up with even more cables than individual fans because of all the interconnecting hubs

[radiant leaf]

i have them

the controller has really nice rgb sync effects, theyre extremely quiet, Ive had no issues with their performance, and they feel very well engineered with how they slide together and stuff. You can definitely get better cooling for cheaper, but they are good enough, quiet, convenient, and pretty.

[safe rock]

Arctic II 280 or 360? My 280 is still in the box, and I can exchange it if I want. I am reading conflicting information. LIke while the 360 has 3x120 fans, but even if they should give an extra 10%, 2x140 from the 280 isn't that far behind because the fans are bigger.

[shrewd juniper]

280 is great but it's obviously gonna be outperformed by the 360 because it's physically bigger, not that much tho, just use the 280 you have

Also the 360mm is sold out atm

[safe rock]

Not in my country 😛 It's on stock and a decent price.

[shrewd juniper]

Ohh right

Well unless your case has a 360mm mount on top, most don't you'd have to have the 360mm as intake

[safe rock]

Silent base 802. I have to check, I have no idea if it has.

[shrewd juniper]

Imo is better as the intake isn't warm air and stuff

Looks like you can do 360mm in front but probs not top, be quiets site didn't say where you can mount the 360 smh

[safe rock]

Too complicated for me 😄

[shrewd juniper]

I'd say just use the one you have atm

[safe rock]

That I shall do, thank you.

[timid carbon]

360= 3x 120mm fans in a line

[shrewd juniper]

360*

[timid carbon]

240= 2x 120mm fans in a line

[timid carbon]

yee my bad

[safe rock]

280 not 240.

[shrewd juniper]

Is g lol

280 is 2x 140mm

[safe rock]

Yup.

[boreal sphinx]

280 is great

[shrewd juniper]

Just use the 280 it's v good

[boreal sphinx]

Like only 5-10% less preformance then 360

[timid carbon]

Yeah 280 good

[boreal sphinx]

Also you get more preformance for quiter

[timid carbon]

I thought he had a 240

[boreal sphinx]

Fans spining slower for same cfm

[safe rock]

"Arctic II 280 or 360?" 280 from the beginning 😛 I haven't mistyped

[shrewd juniper]

Well there's just 1 less fan so should be quieter that way lol

[safe rock]

Yup, that I read that it shall be 😛

[boreal sphinx]

Yeah

[paper patrol]

I got it figured out from last night @radiant leaf just plugged the fans I'm the wrong fan header. They are beautiful and super quiet. Also, surprisingly heavy

[shrewd juniper]

Could i get peoples opinions on mx4 vs mx5, I've seen mx5 is slightly better, also should i even bother with either of those and just use the paste that came with my id cooling se224 instead and save the money? It's going to be for my 3070 as I'm thinking about putting thermal pads on it

Also is the spatula recommend for gpus? That's all I've really seen and the mx5 is cheaper with the spatula anyway

[safe rock]

Optional radiator installation
Front (mm) 120 / 140 / 240 / 280 / 360 / 420
Top (mm) 120 / 240 / 360. So you can both on top and front.

[timid carbon]

Maybe not top

[safe rock]

Maybe not top? It says 360 on top.

That's from the manufacturer page.

[timid carbon]

You were getting the 280 right?

[shrewd juniper]

Already has

I'd just use the 280 on top

Especially cuz you already have

[timid carbon]

so the 280 wont mount at the top

[timid carbon]

from this it looks like no 140mm fan mounts at the top

only front

[shrewd juniper]

Ohh yeah i misread

[safe rock]

I have that, and the case, but I want to change the 280 with a 360

It's easy to refund it, cause the 360 is in the same shop.

And the difference is minimal.

I mean, about 10-20 euros.

[timid carbon]

That will fit yee

[safe rock]

I have already refunded the motherboard 😄 Cause first I wanted to go intel, then moved to AMD 😛

So people there know me 😄

The good part is that all the pieces are in their boxes, I haven't opened anything.

[shrewd juniper]

If you can't top mount the 280 yeah I'd refund if it's not too much hassle

[safe rock]

No hassle at all.

[shrewd juniper]

Do that then yeah