#old-cooling

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mint notch
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apprentice mechanic, aspiring race driver, iracing endurance event competitor xD

knotty sparrow
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"Yep just slapped on the new head in the engine"
"Yep just slapped in anew SSD"

mint notch
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by aspiring race driver i mean i've never done a track day but i have won an event outright at rallycross, won my class at another rallycross and came 4th overall for a season of said same rallycross xD

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you're right though

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do people get upset if you mix up stuff in here? just we having a decent chat and i just saw this:

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that's awesome but alas, not on the canadian site

knotty sparrow
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Not bad at all, I used to do some amateur rally racing too. I miss my Subaru.

mint notch
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fair play :D. subarus rule at that. i had an 04 accent i did it in, where i put a wing on from an sti and had the wing and mirror caps painted british racing green

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eye sore to many, but made me smile every time i drove it

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gosh i miss that car, rust ate it

pure sparrow
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Are uphere fans good? Because they have good reviews and they’re pretty cheap

knotty sparrow
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Which ones specifically? modelbrand

knotty eagle
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No idea under. Most are at 150mm

mint notch
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it's to try go in a spec 04 case there sir

mint notch
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@knotty eagle aim here

knotty sparrow
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Companies have been getting caught buying hundreds of fake Amazon reviews a lot lately. I don't know if this is one of those cases, but I don't see any reviews from anyone I'd call trustworthy.

mint notch
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these mics are interesting. so there are different packages etc available looking elsewhere. great reviews overall, but then some aren't as impressed by it. i don't know enough about mics to get into it. i just saw good reviews, power supply, stand, cheap price... how bad could it be xD. I sometimes stream and did read that higher quality mic would be beneficial. but hey i'm just pipe dreaming at this point. my stream is busy if i have 2 people xD

knotty sparrow
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I don't see anything that says their fans are bad at least, so might be worth a shot

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I'm not really a microphone aficionado myself, can't really give opinions on those so much but the #peripherals-and-displays channel is full of knowledgeable people.

mint notch
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sorry i got offtopic here. saw the deals channel in the discord. kind of needs to have a side for the canadians too as that was like OOO YAY TAKE MY MONEY then oh... crap.

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And the model i have btw:

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at least, looks damn similar

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or not

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it deleted the link too

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damn

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i have to go make some food anyway, nice chatting fal and ty 🙂

topaz blaze
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Just get an anidees case and never worry about mobo and fan compatibility

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Got an eatx mobo for the ryzen 5950 whenever I can get one. And you can put like 20 120 mm fans in it

knotty sparrow
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Yep you too, later

gusty flare
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Does a Deepcool Gammaxx 400 EX come with paste pre-applied or nah?

knotty sparrow
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No but it should come with some for you to apply, even if it is lower grade stuff

gusty flare
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Owh great

stiff crypt
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SE 914 XT

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A slightly worse version of the SE224XT

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comes with a 92mm fan

boreal sphinx
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Should i use push or pull for the back case fan?

magic scarab
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Usually you want to push from the front and pull from the back

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Rare exceptions are made depending on where your PC is located in your room

boreal sphinx
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Its on my desk so i guess pull?

atomic jetty
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you want the fan to blow out the back

boreal sphinx
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ok thanks

mint notch
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Any in here used a Thermaltake Core P5 with a Noctua NH-D15, and 51mm tall Ram? By the Noctua compatibility site, I need an extra 3mm so have put washers on the shiny standoffs to push the acrylic out that 3mm. Wondering if anyone else had paired these two up.

And yes I feel guilty about no wc for it but I didn’t feel confident going that way and didn’t do my homework on the Noctua either. Just knew it was the best air cooler on the market for performance.

stiff crypt
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Then I would suggest something like a pure rock slim

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It’s cheap and it fits what your looking for

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Which CPU though?

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Since pure rock slim isn’t a hefty cooler and may have trouble with some chips

gusty flare
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poggers

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arctics are now available here locally

mint notch
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Thanks Decks. It’s an AMD FX-4100. I’m looking for something cheap (for instance a hyper 212 is under 40 cad right now) but worthwhile in terms that I can try OC it a bit. Not looking for record breaking numbers but a happy compromise between cheap and worthwhile. A Noctua ch9 black I think it was looked great, but at $90 it’s pushing it a bit.

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@stiff crypt

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I do wonder if getting a stock wraith cooler would fit and be worthwhile? They’re cheap on the used market, rgb too.

magic scarab
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Wraith Prism specifically

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they cool well too

topaz blaze
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prism

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5$ on ebay

magic scarab
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keeps my 3800x very not toasty under load

topaz blaze
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does my h100i count as a prism

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i put prism sticker on it

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its a prism right?

stiff crypt
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It’s just outdated

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Better cooler exist for similar pricing

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Also it uses a terrible sleeve bearing fan

mint notch
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The hyper won’t fit sadly anyway. 9mm too big 😦

magic scarab
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Hyper bad

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Ventroo V2 and Gammax 400 good

gusty flare
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is the 400 ex good tho?

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wondering why it's cheaper than a single fan cooler tbh

magic scarab
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

gusty flare
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oh well

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it is ready to take on 2 fans

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prob change fans too if i'm gonna upgrade to a hotter cpu

magic scarab
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equip your Hyper 212 with 2 120mm fans

stiff crypt
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400 ex is just a dual tower version of the 400 with more fins

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not much different

atomic jetty
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funky looking air cooler

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cools decent, a little pricey but I like that people are at least trying to make interesting looking air coolers

vivid citrus
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aah I love that guy

topaz blaze
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Nh-u12s worth the upgrade from a hyper 212 black edition?

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Ping me with answer

covert apex
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What CPU do you have?

low pumice
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@topaz blaze NH-U12s, while a good cooler, is not worth it for the price, at that price range, I'd like to point you towards something like a 60usd Fuma 2 or Ninja 5

topaz blaze
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just superglue a 10 pound block onto the cpu

low pumice
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@topaz blaze look at LTT trying to make their sketchy heatsinks what, 3 times now?

topaz blaze
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copper of course

topaz blaze
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idk how to get the fluid inside the heatpipes though

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definitely equal to or less than 212 perf tho

low pumice
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lol

topaz blaze
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i got the drill press

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i got the copper

feral pivot
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Are cooler master sickleflow fans good?

barren hamlet
low pumice
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Aw, down the list we go then, SE-224-xt and the Vetroo V5 next

barren hamlet
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Se-224-xt is like 30$

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Right?

low pumice
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Yes

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So is Vetroo V5

barren hamlet
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It's barely better than a hyper 212

low pumice
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Nah

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Slaps 212

barren hamlet
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How many degrees

low pumice
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224-xt basic at 80c versus 212x at 85c

barren hamlet
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Ahh yea a whole 4 degrees

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Wait what's the u12a

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Its pretty dang cool over there

low pumice
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really good cooler is what it is

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100$ tho

barren hamlet
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Well for 100 I'd just get the d15

low pumice
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nah, U12a has better clearances, smaller, and is more symmetrical

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Also has a better fan, nf-a12x25 is great

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Side note, Noctua is gonna release a successor to D15 slated for Q4 2021, and develop a next gen 140mm fan, prob a 140mm equivalent to nf-a12x25

barren hamlet
low pumice
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@barren hamlet Here's their roadmap btw

barren hamlet
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A12x25 isnt a good case fan right?

low pumice
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what

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nf-a12x25 is literally the best performing fan for noised normalized performance on the market

barren hamlet
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Like it's just good for CPU coolers and rads

low pumice
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nah

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it's not pressure focused for rads

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@barren hamlet take a look at this

barren hamlet
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What about the nf-a14 and nf-f12

low pumice
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no no no, the point was show the difference between Pressure optimised vs Good all-around vs Airflow optimized

barren hamlet
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I was thinking abou getting 2 of the a14 and 1 f12

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My case fits 2 140mm at the top 1 120mm at the back

low pumice
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a14 and f12 is fine

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also keep in mind Arctic P12/P14 fans are options if Noctua fans are oos or ridiculously priced, since that was the case when I last checked

barren hamlet
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I mean how big is the dif between p12 and p14 vs the noctua ones

low pumice
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P12/P14 are more pressure focused, but they're fairly close (Closer than most other average fans, like Corsair ml120 for example) in general to Noctua counterparts

barren hamlet
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I mean I was planning to get these case fans for Christmas so I have a little more than normal to spend

low pumice
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Ohhh I thought this would be somewhat of an immediate purchase

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Fair nuff

barren hamlet
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CPU cooler also not gonna be for a little while

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Nf-s12b weird looking

vivid citrus
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Is it bad that I just realized this whole time my exhaust fan was set to intake

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On a xeon 1620v2 and a r9 fury

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Lol im an idiot

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Lucky everything is watercooled

magic sparrow
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@barren hamlet @low pumice I'd go Gentle Typhoon AP151s over Noctua cuz better bearing for both lifespan and service (reoiling)

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same noise normalized perf

low pumice
twilit abyss
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GN

low pumice
wet sandal
covert apex
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What CPU do you have?

wet sandal
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Ryzen 5 2600

covert apex
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You don't need a AIO

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Just get a better air cooler

wet sandal
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Alright

wet sandal
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Since i only have 1 fan in my pc, whats some good fans i should have in my pc im thinking getting 3

covert apex
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This is a great cheaper air cooler

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Arctic P12

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Amazing fans for the price

wet sandal
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Should i get this one? for the price @covert apex

covert apex
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If you want RGB sure

wet sandal
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@covert apex

barren hamlet
proven solstice
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its fine for lower end components

knotty eagle
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"not necessary"

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-_-

barren hamlet
knotty eagle
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They made them not move air well because focus on looks only. SHills gonna shill

magic scarab
barren hamlet
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but he has a 510

magic scarab
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disgusting

barren hamlet
magic scarab
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no gamer

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Looks at literally 99% of the PC building community

magic scarab
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the 1% are people like him

barren hamlet
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yeah

gentle vessel
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I don't understand why anyone would ever place looks over performance

velvet rain
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bc they stupid

cinder nymph
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Lmao VR minecraft be spiking my temps to 90C when it launches

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(Only happened once but like... wtf ViveCraft)

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(Not even 40 NPCS in Boneworks can get within 20C of that)

green eagle
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Hello everyone, lately ive noticed that my computer especially run games very slow

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especially look at task manageer, much lower speed than supposed to

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stupidest solution in the world, work amazing

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i opened up computer, found tons of dust, the fans were clogged

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amazing how well a simple cleaning worked

pseudo zinc
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riight? yeah air works WONDERS

knotty eagle
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Yes

atomic jetty
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chonky boi, 6 pipes

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someday I will do an all be quiet build, their products speak to me

gusty flare
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Arctic Freezer 7x for $27?

shrewd juniper
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hey i was going to get some artic p12 case fans, but they dont deliver to where i live so, would the NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM be good as well?

magic scarab
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yeah

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Noctua is very nice

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better than Arctic in most cases

shrewd juniper
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okay thanks just wasnt sure because the redux line doesnt have much coverage and dont want to pay for a12x25s

magic scarab
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I have 2 of them

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extremely quiet and great cooling perf

shrewd juniper
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Thanks, perf Chef_Kiss they look nicer than the a12x25s anyway lul

shrewd juniper
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was also thinking of getting an id cooling se 224 and some reviews say the thermal paste it comes with might as well be play dough, is it that bad and should i buy some thermal paste along side it/switch cooler or should i be okay

knotty sparrow
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The included paste for just about any cooler is pretty low quality

atomic jetty
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the difference paste makes isn't monumental, but if you want peace of mind about it good thermal compound is cheap

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3.5g tube of arctic silver 5 for 5 bucks will last you several cooler swaps

shrewd juniper
silver delta
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my cpu is at 170 degrees should I be worried

tired fog
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definitely

silver delta
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ya i am running blender i stopped it

knotty sparrow
proven solstice
silver delta
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fahrenheit

magic scarab
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we use celsius here

silver delta
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oh

knotty sparrow
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Computers in general use C

silver delta
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in celsius it's 60

shrewd juniper
shrewd juniper
knotty sparrow
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60 C is perfect

silver delta
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ok thanks

knotty sparrow
shrewd juniper
tired fog
silver delta
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lol

lone jacinth
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Can aio pumps be loud due to being in the cpu header in the mobo

knotty sparrow
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Pumps work best in the pump header. The noise is from the pump changing speed and the pressure changing, which doesn't happen on a pump header configured correctly.
A workaround would be to set whatever header the pump is in to run at or near full speed constantly.

lone jacinth
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yeah my board doesnt have a pump header rip ahah

knotty sparrow
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Put the radiator fans into the CPU header and put the pump on a fan header, then set the fan header to 100% in BIOS

lone jacinth
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hmm good idea will that reduce noise

knotty sparrow
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Yes it should help keep the pressure more constant so less noise from gurgling and stuff like that

lone jacinth
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sweet

worldly heath
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I'm looking for rgb fans to use with custom water loop radiators in o11 dynamic xl case, any suggestions?

knotty sparrow
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Budget?

feral pivot
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What's a better brand for Fans: cooler master, lian li, corsair, or Thermaltake

teal wing
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mmmmm

knotty sparrow
feral pivot
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I see... any suggestions?

knotty sparrow
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Every brand has good and bad fans

teal wing
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you want rgb?

feral pivot
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Yes rgb lol

teal wing
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good rbg

feral pivot
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Yes

teal wing
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or maderrat?

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budget?

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how many?

feral pivot
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10

teal wing
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ten fans?

feral pivot
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Wait no, 7

teal wing
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you want digital rgb or just rgb

knotty sparrow
teal wing
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digitals more expensive

feral pivot
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Um, it doesn't matter to me

teal wing
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ok

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budget?

feral pivot
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Budget is no issue,

teal wing
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and mobo connector or remote?

feral pivot
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Any price, as long as it's not like 1k

teal wing
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well not corsair b/c 3 of there fans is 120$%!!!

feral pivot
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Lol wow

teal wing
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mobo connector or remote for rgb?

knotty sparrow
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Unifans

feral pivot
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Rn, I have 7 cooler master fans, in a lian li o11 dynamic, im debating on if I should change EVERYTHING. since I got the money rn

teal wing
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idk ur choice

knotty sparrow
feral pivot
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Yea, I figured I'd ask around and see what people see is like the best fan (that's rgb lol)

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@knotty sparrow oo, I've seen those, that's why I was thinking of lian li

knotty sparrow
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Yeah those have really nice aesthetics and cut down on cable clutter with the interlocking design

feral pivot
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I have one last question ( I think), is the cooler master ml360r a good aio cooler? For like, a 5950x.

magic scarab
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how much is it

feral pivot
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I would probably pair that with the lian li fans

magic scarab
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How much

feral pivot
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$140 I think

magic scarab
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Ek 360mm

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from EKWB

knotty sparrow
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I use the ML240 of that and it keeps my 5800X chilly, even overclocked, so the 360 wouldn't be bad if it's the aesthetics you're going for

magic scarab
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EK 360mm slightly cheaper and arguably better design for what you are going for but the ML360 would keep it chilly, yeah

feral pivot
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@magic scarab I've seen that one too! It looks really good

magic scarab
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Mine should be arriving thursday

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oh also EK 360mm best noise normalized performance iirc

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would have to check GN tests again

feral pivot
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If I did an EK setup, I would probably go all EK fans

magic scarab
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the Vardars are nice

feral pivot
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Which has better Temps tho?

magic scarab
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EK

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both are similar tho

feral pivot
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So, I've seen these custom loop kits from Thermaltake, just for the cpu, that would be better?

low pumice
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Imo, custom loop for just cpu kinda dumb

magic scarab
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custom loop not for people who dont know everything about custom loops

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remember those weird slime loops that people did in 2016?

feral pivot
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Lol, I'm not really new to it, but I've never done a loop before

knotty sparrow
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Ye, custom loops are all in or nothing

magic scarab
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weird year

low pumice
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Usually you can get better results from a good aio than just a custom loop kit, for a lot less monies

magic scarab
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AIO easier install

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by literally hours

feral pivot
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IK IK cpu alone is weird, but I really don't want to ruin a 3090

magic scarab
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its not weird

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just costly and hard to do for people who havent done it before

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extremely hard

knotty sparrow
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Not really worth just doing CPU, since an AIO does the job easier for less money

feral pivot
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I see. Lol this is why I like to ask around

magic scarab
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you can hook up an AIO to your GPU, right?

low pumice
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Not easily

feral pivot
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@low pumice agree

low pumice
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And I don't think they made an adapter for ampere GPUs yet

knotty sparrow
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With a few modifications you can put an AIO on a GPU

feral pivot
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Any other 360mm aio suggestions?

low pumice
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Ek-aio, galahad, freezer ii

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Big 3

magic scarab
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I should get a 280 and hook it up to my 3070

knotty sparrow
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Make sure those vrams are cool though

low pumice
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Don't think anyone made a good adapter for ampere yet tho

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Yea

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The old nzxt bracket was neat since that still had a fan on it for vrm/vram

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Though 3070 is gddr6 not 6x, shouldn't be that hard to cool with just small heatsinks

feral pivot
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Thx for all the feedback and suggestions!

fervent flax
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Which 120mm fans do you recommend? I need 6 that use RGB

knotty sparrow
autumn iris
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Is there much temperature difference between a radiator that has 2 fans and one that has 3?

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I was looking into liquid cooling and the one I found that I like is $40 cheaper for the 2 fan

knotty sparrow
knotty sparrow
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Define "better", what features do you want from them?

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Let me give an example, if you plan on air cooling then the Corsair LL fans would be great, but the Uni Fans have more static pressure which is good for liquid cooling setups.

feral pivot
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Is the ASUS Rog Ryujin 360  acctualy better than the EK 360? At cooling

vivid citrus
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My guess is no. Its just an asatek cooler

dull wraith
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is the kraken x53 good?

knotty eagle
covert apex
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Not for the price, you are better off getting a EK AIO or a Arctic Liquid Freezer II

dull wraith
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ok

feral pivot
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if price was no issue, for a 360mm aio, what would be the best preformance cooler. ml360r (coolermaster), asus ryjin 360, or EK 360

dull wraith
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wow the rgb looks very cool

covert apex
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EK 360 most likely

dull wraith
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ok thx

knotty eagle
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EK

feral pivot
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realy the EK? im not disagreeing, I just would think people like asus

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thx!

covert apex
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What performs better is not an opinion.

feral pivot
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fair enough. thanks for the feedback!

dull wraith
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should i. get a corsair cooler?

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or an nzxt?

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which one is better

topaz blaze
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corsair

dull wraith
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ok

topaz blaze
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nzxt ur paying 200$ for led screen

dull wraith
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but im a little worried to install it is it hard to install an aio?

topaz blaze
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no

dull wraith
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ok thank you

barren hamlet
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i have the lancool ii and am thinking about getting 2 nf-a14 for the top and 1 nf-a12x25 for the back and moving the 3 stock fans to the front is this a good idea?

dull wraith
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hmm

barren hamlet
dull wraith
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not sure

barren hamlet
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then dont answer lel

dull wraith
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lol

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my message got dleted lol

barren hamlet
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cringe

dull wraith
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😆

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ask in the build chat they have some good answers

tired fog
barren hamlet
tired fog
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you don't have to put 140's up there even if it allows it

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i'd rather have 140's as intake (if it allows it) and 120's as exhaust

barren hamlet
tired fog
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140's do be moving air a lot so that's my reasoning for intake and the 120's in exhaust just exhausting it

tired fog
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idk if there's a significant difference in between 3x120 and 2x140 in the front, i'd have to check if there's sum on reddit or yt

barren hamlet
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so should i get 2 140's for the front and then move all stock fans to exauhst

tired fog
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yeah that'll work

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i'm not getting a definite answer if it's better to have 3x120 or 2x140 but i'm just gonna assume it's quieter since there's less motors and bigger fans have to spin slower than smaller fans to move the same amount of air, so it's probably a difference in sound and not really a difference in cooling temps

knotty sparrow
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In general, you want more air going in than going out. Stock fans tend to be weaker and would be good for exhaust, but not on a radiator if you're doing liquid cooling.

tired fog
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^

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and airflow oriented fans don't work well with radiators as well

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pressure-optimized fans work best

magic scarab
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360mm AIO is about to arrive for P400a. Only place it will fit for is front panel. I'm guessing I mount it as intake. Anything else I might have to do special?

knotty sparrow
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Not really. Ideally you'd want the tubes down when on the front but if that's not possible up is fine too, as long as the radiator is above the pump.

covert apex
knotty sparrow
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Jay's expressions in those pics lol

tired fog
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jay's expressions in general

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best tech youtuber imo

twilit fog
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You guys mind helping me with the installation of my 3070 strix ek waterblock?

magic scarab
mystic tiger
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im happy people are starting to understand radiator mounting positions cause after gn's first video. oh boy

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crusades going around everywhere even when for the "ok" position

atomic jetty
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people want to yell at others and call things bad more than they want to help

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you see it here all the time 🙂

tired fog
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especially on social media smh

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seen it happen mostly on reddit and tik tok

shrewd juniper
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How do you even mount it in the bad position, on the bottom of your case like?

proven solstice
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yes

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or just having the pump as the highest point

tired fog
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^

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as long as the pump isn't above the highest point on the radiator in an aio you're fine

shrewd juniper
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Ahhh

twilit fog
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I can’t take this anymore

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I can’t put the tube in that connect cpu to gpu

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It’s so hard

mystic tiger
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really short tube or up and over the gpu so theres more room

twilit fog
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I can’t get a short tub in and up and over looks ugly asf

topaz blaze
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Is there a way to fix my computer cooling it’s extremely Loud for some reason

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It’s probably the fans of the water cooler I’m assuming

magic scarab
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question

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installing AIO

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its too big to fit

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and the tubes are too short

shrewd juniper
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ooof ...

magic scarab
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the question is

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how can this problem be solved

shrewd juniper
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considering you can only but it front of case but that is too big, and tubes to small id say return and get smaller

magic scarab
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;-;

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But muh sweet cooling

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On jah tho there has to be a way

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Phanteks website advertises that this should work

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I might have to mount it the ‘ok’ way rather than the ‘better’ way

shrewd juniper
magic scarab
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The tubes just aren’t quite long enough for it all to fit nicely

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Is there some technique I’m forgetting to use?

shrewd juniper
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Magic? Idk you might just have to use okay method

atomic jetty
#

The only difference between “okay” and “good” is potentially a little bit of noise

magic scarab
#

Cable management is a yikes but it’s done

past parrot
magic scarab
#

Unluck indeed

#

I had to do the ‘ok’ version and am now idling and under heavy load at around 45/50c

past parrot
#

there’s only a small amount of cases that can actually fit the “better” mount

magic scarab
#

Like?

past parrot
#

depends on gpu size

autumn iris
#

How can you tell if a fan is configured to push or pull?

knotty eagle
#

THe side with the motor braces is the exhaust

knotty sparrow
#

It's more a matter of how it's positioned and air direction. Is the radiator between the fan and the exterior, moving air into the case? That's a pull.

#

As far as direction the fan is blowing vintage is right

autumn iris
#

Alright thanks

#

I had installed 2 fans myself and didn’t find out till today from some other people that I installed them wrong

knotty sparrow
#

"Wrong" is subjective, there's only more or less efficient setups. More efficient is desirable obviously.

autumn iris
#

Yeah

#

I thought I installed them to push air out but I installed them to pull from the top

knotty sparrow
#

Thermodynamics say heat tends to rise, so a top exhaust is more efficient to help the natural rise of air instead of fighting it

knotty eagle
#

Also, if you inspect the fan carefully, somewhere on the outer edge is an arrow showing which direction the air moves

autumn iris
#

Alright cool

magic scarab
magic scarab
#

I see

magic scarab
#

Would it be worth it to get another 280mm or something, mount it as exhaust, and hook it up to GPU?

#

I’m guessing no but my card has cooling issues so

knotty sparrow
#

Depends, what GPU?

magic scarab
#

3070 Vision OC

#

The one with no thermal pads

#

And a kinda dumb cooler otherwise

knotty sparrow
#

Just put thermal pads on it then lol

magic scarab
#

The cooler itself is kinda dumb tbh

#

I am throwing this idea out there for mostly aesthetic, note that

#

But cooling would also be helped

knotty sparrow
#

Really, it helps.
Liquid cooling only keeps core temps down, not vram and vrm

magic scarab
#

VRM and VRAM are already super high as it is

knotty sparrow
#

You'll still need to stick pads and heatsinks on there if you go with a water block, a lot of 3070s don't have full cover blocks available.

magic scarab
#

Hmmm

knotty sparrow
#

Just checked and EK doesn't have blocks for that card

#

And there's not really any good custom brackets for 30 series

worldly heath
#

Is anyone here familiar with corsair rgb and fan controls?

#

Mainly if I have 9 of their fans, plus cpu block, gpu block, asus motherboard and gskill trident ram, would I be able to control all that with a single controller/hub?

proven solstice
#

might get a better answer from their discord, but I’m pretty sure you need 2 hubs

atomic jetty
#

yeah, they don't have a single hub that does more than 6 fans by itself

warm chasm
#

hey i m vishi

fair robin
#

hiiiii

worldly heath
atomic jetty
#

that's probably a question for the corsair discord or google, I wouldn't know firsthand

#

you could maybe run splitters out of the hub actually

#

and if you're using commander pro (I don't know what else you'd use) it has two rgb channels, which can each take one of their 6 connector rgb hubs

#

that's still mostly me guessing though, I'd get a second opinion :p

shrewd juniper
#

Hey, i asked this before but said the wrong case, is adding intake fans to my nzxt s340 worth it? Will it help performance

topaz blaze
#

Does it have a front grill

#

Or is it a covered one

#

If its covered

#

Looks like it won't do much

shrewd juniper
#

Looks like that

#

Like it's covered but there's still openings

knotty sparrow
shrewd juniper
#

Olay thanks I'll give a watch

#

Hmm he didn't say if you should add fans to the front or not

old sage
#

anyone have an opinion on the EK-AIO 360 D-RGB CPU cooler with 3 additional EK-Vardar EVO 120ER D-RGB case fans?

knotty sparrow
#

EK is a good one, often recommended here

old sage
#

awsome

#

the only issue is i have not seen those fans on Newegg🥺

#

only the AIO

tired fog
#

the aio comes with the fans

#

and if you don't find them on newegg you'll most likely find them on the ek website

knotty sparrow
#

He means extra fans for the case so they match

tired fog
#

ohh

old sage
#

honestly i have those in my cart on performance pc lol

#

just never bought from them

tired fog
#

jus buy the ek-aio elite if you plan on buying three more fans

#

it's a bit cheaper than buying three additional ones for the case

old sage
#

i was going to buy an aio and 3 more fans because the rgb blew out on my current case fans

tired fog
#

the ek-aio elite comes with 6 fans + aio for 200 bucks

knotty sparrow
#

Not a bad deal

unique lilyBOT
#
CREAMIEST ONE#8706 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

tired fog
#

compared to ek-aio 360 which is $155 + 3($26) for additional fans, it's a steal

old sage
#

oh wow

tired fog
#
old sage
#

sheeesh

tired fog
#

it looks like it also comes with a rgb hub

magic scarab
#

what does?

old sage
#

what a steal lol

magic scarab
#

the EK 360mm?

#

no it doesnt

old sage
#

the elite does

magic scarab
#

does it?

#

link it

tired fog
#

yee

#

it's above

old sage
#

thats crazy

magic scarab
#

damn, I just bought a hub from Asus for my 360mm EK AIO too

old sage
#

oh man

#

man newegg doesnt have the elite! noooo😂

shrewd juniper
#

Btw should i bother getting seperate thermal paste for the id cooling se 224 I'm going to get, kinda mixed results with included paste

magic scarab
#

why would you?

#

unless you are doing some mega serious overclocking and trying to push every last megahertz, not worth it

#

but you arent doing that on an SE 224 anyways

old sage
#

the difference is very minimal anyway

knotty sparrow
#

It'll only make a few degrees difference max. A more likely problem is uneven mounting pressure.

atomic jetty
#

a tube of arctic silver 5 or similarly well-known paste is only 5 bucks if you really want the peace of mind over it

magic scarab
#

speaking of, how is the quality of EK's included paste?

#

my AIO came with a couple milligrams of it and I want to know

old sage
#

i think its fine

#

nothing special but not bad

atomic jetty
#

probably the same as 90% of included paste

shrewd juniper
old sage
#

dang, do i get the elite version and 3 more fans so i can have a push/pull setup too?😂

knotty eagle
#

Push pull isn't worth the extra fans

old sage
#

could i use my current case fans for the push?

#

probably a dumb question

magic scarab
#

I feel like, with 3 Vardars in my PC, there is too much positive pressure

#

even with 2 noctuas and a rebranded coolermaster pulling it all out

old sage
#

so just go with the 3 pulling to the radiator and use the other 3 to push it out of the case?

magic scarab
#

at the back, yeah

old sage
#

well i can only have one in the back so i would put 2 on top

#

with front facing aio

magic scarab
#

the front

#

the back

#

case shown: Phanteks P400a

old sage
#

lol that is the case i have too

#

and yeah i got you

old sage
#

wait could i even use a 360 aio with that case?

knotty eagle
#

Yes, in the front

#

Tubes at the top

magic scarab
#

I just installed one, yeah

#

literally yesterday

#

havent gone above 70c once yet

old sage
#

but arent tube on the top problematic?

magic scarab
#

no?

knotty eagle
#

No

#

As long as the pump is below the top of the rad, it's fine

old sage
#

you can still get gurgling since the air would get trapped in the top tho

magic scarab
#

no?

atomic jetty
#

potentially a small amount of noise, that's it

#

that's the only difference between tubes up and down

magic scarab
#

I literally have an AIO installed with the tubes at the top right now

knotty eagle
#

You can also get gurgling with the hoses at the bottom because air can still get trapped in the pump

magic scarab
#

its fine

knotty eagle
#

Air would have to go down to get out of the pump

#

Air doesn't go down,

#

It's fine either way

#

provided the radiator isn't at the bottom of the case. THAT'S a problem

old sage
#

okay so with tubes on bottom it just makes sure there is no gurgling but tubes on top are still fine yeah?

#

just the occasional gurgle lol

knotty eagle
#

You will probably never get a gurgle

old sage
#

as long as radiator is below

#

okay

knotty eagle
#

No, pump needs to be below the highest point of the radiator

knotty eagle
old sage
#

yeah pump

magic scarab
old sage
#

mixed it up lol

magic scarab
#

I have had zero problems with this so far

old sage
#

oooo nice

#

i just posted what i have so far

twilit fog
#

Going hard tubing soon.

shrewd juniper
#

Bit of a noob question but i haven't cleaned thermal paste in a while, are the cpu cleaning wipes okay to use?

covert apex
#

Using a paper towel is alright

shrewd juniper
#

But i dont think i have rubbing alcohol

#

Would they do the same thing tho?

knotty sparrow
#

If those wipes have a high % alcohol they'll work perfect

shrewd juniper
#

And ppl say it's good in review

knotty sparrow
#

Look at the "ingredients", if the first thing is says is alcohol then it's probably ok

shrewd juniper
#

Thanks

autumn iris
#

How often would you have to refill a rad?

#

Like a AIO

feral pivot
#

I THINK, never. Don't quote me on that lol

#

I guess it depends what brand/model too

autumn iris
#

Alright

atomic jetty
#

Many if not most aios aren’t built to be refilled

autumn iris
#

Alright cool

knotty eagle
#

There are a very few on the market that have a fill port on them but I couldn't tell you which ones

shrewd juniper
autumn iris
#

Alright cool

feral pivot
#

What's a better fan: cooler master sickle flow v2 or lian li sl120

#

Also what's the best 360mm aio...

knotty sparrow
low pumice
#

Price for noise normalized perf

feral pivot
#

I have a Ml360 from coolermaster, and Im debating on changing everything

knotty sparrow
#

You can if you want but it won't be that different from what you have. The ML tend to be a little loud so it would probably run quieter if you got another one.

#

Or just change the fans on the ML

feral pivot
#

u mean the pump runs loud? or fans

knotty sparrow
#

The fans, I've never noticed the pump on mine

feral pivot
#

lol when temps get high the defalt fans sound like they are dying

topaz blaze
#

h150i pro/xt ek n liquid freezer ii

feral pivot
#

i would probubly get the coolermaste sickle flow v2 to replace the defalt ones. good idea?

feral pivot
knotty sparrow
#

They're kind of meh quality fans, not fantastic but not terrible.
You don't have to use the same brand.

feral pivot
#

would those lianli tripple fans be better?

topaz blaze
#

Don't buy unifans

#

only fans i despise from lianli

#

the triple fans vs h150i pro/xt?

#

or?

feral pivot
#

er, SL120

#

I think I may keep my ML360 to save some cash. I do want to replace the fans tho

topaz blaze
#

ML140s, P14 or noctua

knotty sparrow
#

Wow some strong feelings on the unifans
They're a good concept and pretty good fans for radiators, but expensive

topaz blaze
#

Preferably ML140s or P14s

#

I like unifans but they're just LL120s all over again

#

for how new they are they shouldn't be that bad.

feral pivot
#

they arnt like attached together tho

knotty sparrow
#

Anyway, let's say this: how much would you be willing to spend replacing these fans?

#

$30 - $75? (for all three)

feral pivot
#

preferably less then $ 200 for 7 fans total

topaz blaze
#

ML140s or P14s

feral pivot
#

but Honestly, ill spend anything under $500

knotty sparrow
#

Oh going for all 7 matching, nice

feral pivot
#

yea! lianli o11 XL

#

if I cable manage it properly, than 10 fans lol

topaz blaze
#

Only 7?

knotty sparrow
#

$20-25 per fan is a great range

feral pivot
#

yea, I have the budget, I just never know what to do

topaz blaze
knotty sparrow
#

You could go overkill and get a bunch of ek vardar fans

feral pivot
#

yea, problem is... I like rgb

knotty sparrow
#

They have rgb ones, lemme grab a link

feral pivot
#

thats ok, i found it

topaz blaze
#

corsair is thrown out the window then

#

they only have 120mm RGB

feral pivot
#

WoW $90 a fan

#

honestly, I would go corsair

topaz blaze
#

Actia;ly

#

their website was bugged

knotty sparrow
#

Where are you looking that it's that much?
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-vardar-evo-120er-d-rgb-500-2200-rpm

topaz blaze
#

Yeah corsair is thrown out the window

#

110$ for 2 fans

#

outrageous

feral pivot
#

I was looi9ng on amazon LOL

topaz blaze
#

120mm corsair fans are horrible

#

ML120 is good but ML140 is better

#

for like

#

same pricing

feral pivot
#

yea, I dont think it would fit tho

topaz blaze
#

atleast H150i pro/xt comes with rgb ml140s

#

they will

#

O11 XL will fit triple 140

#

your radiator would be the limitation if it doesn't support 140

feral pivot
#

but, on the radiator

topaz blaze
#

You could buy h150i pro/xt

#

its like 150$ and comes with 3 ML140 pro rgb

feral pivot
#

yea, Idk. I REALLY like the look of the vardars

topaz blaze
#

JUst buy EK

#

Corsair is overpriced for the rgb

feral pivot
#

yea. they make good powersupplies tho

topaz blaze
#

they make alot of good products

feral pivot
#

just super overpriced

topaz blaze
#

Meh

#

its really just the peripherals

#

their non rgb fans are very well priced

feral pivot
#

yea

#

I think what I will do, is get a bunch of vardars, and keep coolermaster ML360

#

save money

#

thx for all the suggestions and help!

old sage
#

then just buy some more vardar fans for $25 each

magic sparrow
#

Vardars are only good for liquid resistance. Other then that, fairly loud and low lifespan

#

I'd get Arctic AIO with an RGB strip tbf. That or get upHere/EzDIY 6 pack with it

feral pivot
#

Is that really true that vardars have a low lifespan?

old sage
#

If you run them into the ground then yeah but that’s the same with anything.

#

50,000 hr lifespan

#

So almost 6 years

low pumice
#

Eh

#

Noctua has 150,000hr rates MTBF

#

Testing and experience will tell you more whenever applicable

old sage
#

Well for the Vardar that number is based on if you are using them for cooling the radiator.

low pumice
#

What

#

MTBF means constant use at 100% for x hours before the average failure afaik

#

Being on a radiator doesn't matter

#

Either way, need testing or actual experiences with the fans to know

old sage
#

Oh fair enough

magic scarab
#

so my AIO I just bought, assuming I keep it on 100% for as long as I have my computer, will last 6 years?

old sage
#

I meant they come with the radiator as a package

magic scarab
#

give or take

old sage
#

The fans yes

magic scarab
#

cool beans

old sage
#

But not sure who would do that lol

#

Unless it’s a mining rig I guess

magic scarab
#

😅

#

well

#

I suppose its not quite a 'mining rig' but I do mine on it

old sage
#

If you have your computer running the fans at 100% for 6 years straight that’s crazy😂

magic scarab
#

Vardars are loud as hell at 100% too

#

60db or something like that

feral pivot
#

Yea, lol I wouldn't really call 6 years om 100% a low life span, but I see ur point

magic scarab
#

Ill be replacing it within the next 3 years, likely

#

with whatever is newest and greatest

#

Unless EK sells a bracket for AM5

feral pivot
#

Yea, hopefully I'll keep my build for 3 or 4 years

fluid juniper
knotty eagle
#

1 CPU fan and 2 Chassis fan connectors

knotty eagle
magic scarab
#

most fan packs come with a splitter

#

same with AIOs

fluid juniper
#

Aah thanks, appreciate the help! I was looking to build it into Cooler Master MasterCase H500M but the case has a total of 3 fans

#

so i think i would need a splitter in that case, right?

magic scarab
#

correct

magic scarab
#

probably better to get a hub tbh

#

imo

fluid juniper
#

thanks! i will look into both

topaz blaze
#

2 at the bottom right 2 above the top 1x and 2 above ram

knotty eagle
# topaz blaze 6 connectors

Did you read tho? 1 x VRM_HS_FAN Header, 1 x M.2_FAN connector, 2 x Chassis Fan connector(s), 1 x CPU Fan connector(s)
1 x CPU OPT Fan connector(s), 1 x AIO_PUMP connector

#

Just because there's a header, doesn't mean it should be used. 😉

topaz blaze
#

i just went through images n saw this

knotty eagle
#

I know

#

I read the manual tho

#

XD

knotty sparrow
#

Manual vs marketing material

topaz blaze
#

Why can't the other ones be used?

#

just curious

knotty eagle
#

Three of them aren't really controllable

topaz blaze
#

Oh

knotty eagle
#

AIO, VRM and M.2

#

There are 2 CHA fan headers and CPU and CPU-OPT

topaz blaze
#

Even if it was a fan thats controlled in software like iCUE or aura?

knotty eagle
#

But CPU and CPU_OPT are tied together

knotty sparrow
topaz blaze
#

so if you had like a commander pro it would work

knotty sparrow
#

Right

#

But at that point you're not using fan headers

knotty eagle
#

The manual states they aren't really controllable but IDK

#

have to see the BIOS to confirm

twilit fog
#

my 3070 watercooled it running at 57c under full load. Is that normal?

knotty sparrow
#

Yes that's fine. Cooler than my CPU on my AIO.

river orchid
#

Any waterblocks for the PNY XLR8 RTX 3070 yet?

knotty sparrow
#

Is that the one that uses the reference design?

magic scarab
#

Yep

timid carbon
#

Is the cooler master 410R any good?

river orchid
knotty sparrow
timid carbon
magic scarab
#

Ventroo V2

knotty sparrow
#

Dang, you might just have to go for the one you picked then if the good stuff isn't available

#

Won't be bad at least, 6 pipes

topaz blaze
#

Honestly Vermoo v5 looked good

#

was debating about either saving for an AIO or just getting that

#

Basically at this point, anything better than 212

river orchid
#

should I even bother watercooling rn? I have a custom loop for cpu, waiting to add gpu, my temps never rlly go aboce 70c on the gpu full load with low fan settings

knotty eagle
#

Vermoo?

knotty sparrow
#

Ventroo?

topaz blaze
#

Oh

#

I must of been having a stroke

knotty sparrow
#

apt-get moo?

topaz blaze
#

like I usually do.

#

Ventroo V5 lmao

#

so basically more heatpipes=better cooling?

#

As long as the design is good.

knotty eagle
#

Ah Falcie

topaz blaze
#

or what are the variables to good cooling

knotty eagle
#

Other channel lol

knotty sparrow
#

Typically yes, but not a hard rule, fin density plays into that too

topaz blaze
#

That would make sense why 212 evo is oof

knotty eagle
#

Found the issue, needed BIOS update

#

5600x in B550

#

CPu freq was reading 0.00 MHZ in one of the screenshots XD

knotty sparrow
#

Yeah I've been checking in on that convo, really should be the first things we ask

topaz blaze
#

At this point, i'll be happy for anything that doesn't have a convoluted installation lol

#

There's so many versions of the 212 evo

#

like mounting brackets.

#

its confusing.

knotty eagle
#

They all suck equally

topaz blaze
#

^

#

Yep lol

#

Instant regret of 212

magic scarab
topaz blaze
#

Also racer, you were right

#

might as well keep with the LPX

#

since my FCLK can't go any higher.

#

Tried manually timing my ram to see if I could push it.

#

Nope

knotty sparrow
river orchid
#

rip

#

ty for checking

magic scarab
river orchid
#

I appreciate it

magic scarab
#

But this generation has been weird so

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

river orchid
#

shoulda just bought a 2080 ti when all that went down

knotty sparrow
dawn hawk
#

it has some bumpies

magic scarab
#

Few

dawn hawk
#

enough to make it not work on ref waterbloccs

magic scarab
#

Fair

deft star
#

What’s a good cooler that’s Intel stock size for i9. 9900k

shrewd juniper
#

Hey just to double check 90% rubbing alcohol should work fine to remove thermal paste?

knotty eagle
#

yes

shrewd juniper
#

Okay thanks

magic scarab
shrewd juniper
magic scarab
#

It’s alcohol and it works

#

I haven’t used that cooler since (was just a wraith spire that I was trying to get the paste off of) but the paste came off nice and clean

#

Lemme get a picture of the heat sink

#

As you can see, no trace of the paste

shrewd juniper
#

Hmm nice lol

#

Well i found some running alcohol lying around anyway so think I'll just use that instead of sanitiser XD

knotty eagle
#

Yes

#

Pls

magic scarab
#

Kekw

#

Hey

#

If it works

#

It works

knotty eagle
#

Gel doesn't evaporate. Keep it away from CPU's and sockets.

magic scarab
#

Mmmmm

#

Fine

#

Tbf I used it because I just wanted to get the paste off a heatsink I knew I was never gonna use again

#

I was just taking it apart for fun and had no isopropyl on hand

#

What about Vodka?

knotty eagle
#

40% or less alcohol. No

#

Different type of alcohol also

magic scarab
#

So any 80+ proof alcohol will do?

#

That isn’t gel?

knotty eagle
#

No, different types of alcohol

#

Don't use booze to clean CPU's

magic scarab
#

-_-

knotty eagle
#

80 proof == 40%

#

NOt 80% alcohol

magic scarab
#

I know

knotty eagle
#

Which means

magic scarab
#

You said 40% or less, implying anything over that is fine

knotty eagle
#

You're putting 60% water on your CPU

#

that's NOT what I said

magic scarab
#

Ok lmao

dawn hawk
magic scarab
#

Ty

shrewd juniper
#

Cpu now runs at 66° under full load instead of 85-90° hera

knotty sparrow
#

Noice, much better

leaden smelt
#

hey folks, any idea what I need to buy to attach an mp5 works BPC to a gpu in an otherwise air cooled rig?

#

What kind of pump/reservoir would be the cheapest to just have a BPC loop?

minor mural
#

This is what I have on my laptop I under volted the cpu, set the curve on GPu.

#

Only 80mm fans going at 1800-2100rpm and I think it's weak @knotty sparrow

#

My laptop model is HP omen 15, from year 2018

#

I'm pretty sure I should upgrade to a better cooling pad with larger fan sizes like 100mm at least?

cold island
#

just buy a desktop smh my head nether

minor mural
#

buy me one. Jokes aside.

I don't think I will ever because of bad GPU prices market, thinking of buying another stronger laptop or even a good pre-built pc... :EliteSkull:

#

:v

low pumice
#

Just use a desk fan

#

I approve

#

So does intender

minor mural
#

Shove in a desk fan. Yes

low pumice
#

Lemme see if I can find intender's pic

minor mural
#

Wheeze LOL

low pumice
#

@minor mural no joke though, it works

#

It works very well

minor mural
#

Makes sense because the floor or desk fan pulls in alot of air

#

Hence that's why i think i should get a cooling pad that is going to push alot of cold air into heat pipe assembly vents

fallen timber
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Was wondering if this looks like a bad job? Can I remove that thermal paste even tho it's not on the main square?

knotty sparrow
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The paste only needs to be on the middle parts, that's the die that generates the most heat. The green part doesn't need paste.
Once you take the cooler off you need to re-paste it anyway.

fallen timber
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Yah it wasn't me who did that job. I was having heat issues so I wanted to repaste.

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Was wondering if I can clean it all up. Like rubbing alcohol applied everywhere you see the pastr

knotty sparrow
fallen timber
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What about q-tips

harsh orbit
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anyone know of any good (preferably white) 240mm aios about $120 or less?

knotty sparrow
fallen timber
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Thanks :)

magic wave
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So it spilled over a bit

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I doubt that's a real problem for cooling, but it's a bit messy

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Usually people use cotton swabs or cotton balls I think

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What does the cooler look like?

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The cooler design has a huge impact on cooling performance

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As well as making proper contact with the heat spreader/die

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And ofc replacing your thermal paste every 3 to 5 years

fallen timber
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well i just replaced the paste. its an xps 15.

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was constantly running at 90 degrees. going to see if this lowered it

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HUGE difference. played a couple games of overwatch. im still sitting at 70 degrees.. omg

magic wave
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How many heat pipes does it have

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Much nicer temp under load

fallen timber
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sorry i have no idea

barren hamlet
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This is sad

magic wave
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@fallen timber it's easy to tell

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You know what the cooler looks like

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Here's a heatsink with one heat pipe

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Here's one with two

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And here's a fancy one with several

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The more heat pipes you have, the better cooling you can get

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Same with fin arrays

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This part under the fan is a bunch of fins

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I've been using a 3rd gen i3 dual core HP laptop that has two heat pipes and two arrays of fins, it stays nice and cool, while my brother and cousin have newer 4th gen core i7 HP laptops with one heat pipe and one fin array, and they both have terrible cooling performance

fallen timber
magic wave
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Ah ok

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Decent cooler PogU

prime salmon
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can someone tell me which is the best position to fix cpu cooler radiator

knotty sparrow
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As long as the highest spot on the radiator is above the pump it's acceptable, ideally top mounted as exhaust

minor mural
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Interesting

deft star
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Is the CORSAIR - TM30 Performance Thermal Paste good thermal paste

dawn hawk
deft star
deft star
dawn hawk
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ya

deft star
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Ok thx

safe rock
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Quickie. When is water cooling needed? Building the build for my next build, and I have never had water cooling, mostly because I have never thought about it.

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Now it's the time to ponder it.

knotty eagle
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Or looks

safe rock
dawn hawk
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good air cooler outperforms most aio anyways kek

safe rock
knotty eagle
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Looks as in clean looks.

marsh condor
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what kind of AIO cooling would you guys suggest? 3 fans maybe? I have no clue

safe rock
low pumice
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@marsh condor well, what cpu, what budget, and what case?

idle tiger
low pumice
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If their case can fit aio, and if their budget can fit an aio, and if their CPU warrants having an aio.

sharp jacinth
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what would be a good AIO 240mm (rgb) that would look to cool a 5000 series down the line (for example let's say anything from a 5800x upwards on AM4)? bang for buck vs top of the line?

knotty sparrow
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EK-AIO D-RGB, there's a 360 version for not much more too

sharp jacinth
low pumice
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Lian li Galahad, although I'm not sure about 240mm

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Holy price galahad 240mm is 130$

wraith rose
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What is the difference between the H115i Pro XT and the H115i Elite Capellix? Is it literally just the rgb fans?

mystic tiger
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fans, pump, block and hardware

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guess hardware? for the rgb within the block and what the block design is

wraith rose
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Hmm

atomic jetty
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it's just the rgb on the pump block/fans

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"elite capellix" is the name for corsair's fancy LEDs

wraith rose
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Oh wait, it also comes with a fancy fan and rgb controller doesn't it? I already have one, so I guess it is technically cheaper since I can just sell the controller

atomic jetty
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doesn't really come with a fancy controller

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it comes with a hub, which it has to use for power

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the fans it comes with are ML120 Pro RGB that have 8 LEDs instead of 4

wraith rose
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Oh, I thought it came with a Commander PRO Core, not just the hub

atomic jetty
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it comes with a commander core

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the commander core is a fan+led hub that also powers the pump

wraith rose
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Yeah

atomic jetty
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it's only bundled with elite capellix units because it's how their pump gets power

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not very useful on its own

unreal narwhal
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Is air cooler good for i7-9700k

low pumice
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yes ofc

unreal narwhal
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😁👍

magic scarab
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litty

atomic jetty
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dropped via stealth bomber

deft star
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Is that enough paste?

low pumice
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Can't really tell, guessing not enough

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Just wipe it off and do x method >:D

magic wave
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X method x method

low pumice
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X method

magic wave
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X marks the spot

magic scarab
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cries in pea-shaped dot

safe rock
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Is it ok to allow my gpu to stay 80 degrees celsius if in weekend I tend to play for many hours sometimes?

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Or should I alter the fan curve so it's more 70ish

topaz blaze
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90 or above is where you should care about gpu health

knotty sparrow
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80 is well within tolerance. It'll still boost at that temperature. It won't throttle until closer to 90 range.