old-cooling

[strange flume]

The closer to pure water you can get the better the loop performance

[harsh crow]

Understood.

No alternatives better than water?

I used to hear about Liquid Graphene a lot which was why I mentioned it.

If I recall it's water with a lot of suspended graphene mixed in.

[strange flume]

If there was then I'd have it

[strange flume]

I would not

Graphene is a solid lattice particle

That's just gonna clump up in the loop

[harsh crow]

Understood.

[strange flume]

Light glycol water and zmt is the meta for easy loop life

But again, 5090, and X3D, you won't see benefits on water

I really believe you will see almost regression

And a loop new costs so much

You'll be paying like $500+

Lol

[harsh crow]

I just want to try a cpu loop to start...

[weary raft]

glycol has a few benefits, namely it lowers the freezing point (useful in cooling systems for like beer taps and such, or in car cooling loops to prevent freezing in the winter) and is also a bit of a corrosion inhibitor. Additionally, it is a bit antimicrobial and an algicide and such due to its toxicity (do not drink)

[harsh crow]

I am afraid of how long Igetmen343 has been typing.

[harsh crow]

Thank you!

also brb

[strange flume]

Too much however can inversely cause thermal issues

[strange flume]

Again, no benefit over an aio imo

[weary raft]

yes, because water is better at thermal transfer than glycol

also glycol is a little harder to pump

[strange flume]

For little fishtank pumps yeah

[harsh crow]

what would be a way to improve my cooling capabillity?

I'd like to avoid direct die because iirc it's very risky.

[weary raft]

better and more efficient coldplates with sufficent water flow

direct die would be the best for cooling

[harsh crow]

So a better coldplate the part that touches the cpu and a good pump?

[weary raft]

also lowering the liquid temperature will give a larger temperature delta, which should help with thermal transfer a bit

yeah basically

[harsh crow]

My room is consistently at 64f

[weary raft]

at some point you'll be limited by the IHS though and you would need to delid to get any more cooling

[harsh crow]

I currently use:

• TG Contact Frame
• PTM pad
• LT720 AIO front mounted in my Torrent

[strange flume]

That's basically the only way and it's still negligible

Cos the thing is X3D just does not benefit

You can make it colder, and maybe see 1% difference

[harsh crow]

For fans the AIO is currently using 3 arctic pwm fans and planning on switching to PH-D30 fans.

[strange flume]

For a huge investment

[harsh crow]

in other words the value does not exist

[strange flume]

Yes

Yesss

If you were doing any other hardware you'd see more value to this idea

Not for anything you are suggesting

[weary raft]

i9 14900ks fr

how bad is intel currently with thermals anyways

are the highest end still cooking without a delid

[strange flume]

And here's the irony, D30 is a fair bit worse for normal use but it won't show on the 7950X3D just because again, the CPU is more or less maxed out on a decent aio

[strange flume]

Not anymore, not after 0x12B (Save for those who disable limits)

[weary raft]

oh

[harsh crow]

normal use?

Note, I run my fans at max tilt pretty much 24/7

[knotty sparrow]

All that's going to do is burn your fans faster

[strange flume]

D30's gonna be noisier then

And yeah

Won't do much for cooling tbh

💀

7950X3D the reason for this again

[harsh crow]

does this apply even on 9000 x3D?

To be honest the main reason I am thinking of getting that is I really want to try overclocking those suckers

Emphasis on "really".

[strange flume]

Yes

[harsh crow]

temp range is set between 30-60c for my fans.

Fans usually hover around 80% during load.

[long herald]

Can someone list the parts needed to set up a custom loop, specifically for water cooling only the GPU?

I plan on getting a Gigabyte Waterforce 6900 XT Xtreme, but I'll be cooling the cpu with an aio

[harsh crow]

@strange flume

He will drill you.

[sacred wren]

dont threaten me with a good time

[harsh crow]

Go for it

I am quite curious what the parts will be myself.

Even though I doubt I will get a large performance uplift zi really want to try my hand at a custom loop for the fun and experience

[sacred wren]

oh i know nothing about custom loops

[harsh crow]

Tip

Rip

[long herald]

I require the drilling

[weary raft]

what's the point of that lmao

[harsh crow]

Keeps my system performance more consistent though as mentioned it's usually around 80%

50% at idle

[sacred pagoda]

system performance more consistent
^have you tested this? How would one even test this?

also you're kinda contradicting yourself. Running at full tilt 24/7 is not the same as 80% under load and 50% at idle

sounds an awful lot like a "fan curve" to me

[harsh crow]

well I am trying to correct myself.

I run a Fan Curve set with a max temp of 60c.

So long story short, when gaming, etc anything that puts a decent load on the system I am usually running at full tilt as I had mentioned above.

However when I am working my chip hovers around 50c so my fans run at around 80% audible but not annoying.

When the system is idle it's around 50% usually.

[harsh crow]

Lots and lots and lots of playtime. I played for a week with a full tilt and a week with a curve. The tilt was a bit more consistent but caused my fans well to run full speed 24/7 so I had setup a curve that would cause the fans to go full speed when any moderate load of any kind is applied.

[weary raft]

50 is still quite high for idle though

Also I think you should set the fan curve temperature sensor to be hotspot temp rather than average core temp

I personally find it to be more accurate

So I can set my max temp alot higher but once in game my fans ramp up, but on idle, my fans can even stop spinning entirely

[harsh crow]

I have it set to be based on the hottest sensor amongst my entire CPU or GPU.

[weary raft]

Ah right you have custom loop

[harsh crow]

AIO

I want to do a custom loop though

Just need to save up the $$$.

[weary raft]

Oh

[harsh crow]

My current upgrade path:

• 5090 + PSU
• 3D Printer
• Monitor
• Replace my fans
• Ideally make my open 3D Printed case
• Custom Loop

[weary raft]

The way I have my curves set up is that the cpu cooler and GPU cooler have their own curves, and the case fans add the % of both cpu and GPU and storage and vrms curves together to determine the case airflow

[harsh crow]

Ahh mine is a bit different. I have my AIO and bottom intakes to adjust the airflow based on the highest temp shown from my CPU/GPU

And another separate fan over the ram that runs at 80-100% to keep the ram cold

I live in Alaska now so my ambient temp is a cozy 64f

18 celsius

I have an vague image in my head to print a PC case that is geode themed with a vertical airflow setup

3x420mm rads up top with massive intakes on the bottom of the case and crystals all along the sides and bottom

[knotty sparrow]

Why not just do an open bench at that point

It's way easier than doing 3x420 in any case

[harsh crow]

Pets

Way to risky

[knotty sparrow]

Wall mount it

[harsh crow]

@knotty sparrow, @weary raft I am have found the Tony Stark Arc Reactor of water blocks lmao.

[harsh crow]

Still to risky. My cat can jump 7ft.

She will find a way to grab it somehow

[knotty sparrow]

It won't jump where it can't land

[weary raft]

External radiator

[knotty sparrow]

Occasionally you get one of those freak cats that likes to slam itself against the wall but that's rare

[harsh crow]

... I thought that as well but she tried and kept trying till she found a way to cling onto her target

Thankfully it wasn't a co.puter but a shelf.

[knotty sparrow]

Well yeah a shelf looks more like something you can land on

[harsh crow]

In any case it's far to risky and my landlord would never let me nail something to the wall

I might try it once I have a home in my name though

Because open air setups do look cool

But long story short I picture a setup with 3x420mm rads up top with a ring of fans on the bottom feeding air up to them

Or one giant Intake fan

@knotty sparrow do you have any experience with 3D Printers per chance?

[knotty sparrow]

Nope

[harsh crow]

Rip it's so hard to find folks who have experience. I am trying to find a good 3D Printer with a reasonable print size for large projects within $600

[knotty sparrow]

But I do know a massive project like that would need a huge printer that costs at least $500 plus about $300 worth of filament

[harsh crow]

Yep I'd imagine so.

[weary raft]

Bambu makes good printers that don't really require tinkering to use

And is reasonably priced for what you get

[knotty sparrow]

Oh you mean the company that's stealing all of your print projects to train AI according to their new ToS

[harsh crow]

This is what I have been looking at:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0DJNLJ9KP/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3X5CFOJQKOQZ&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CH4RG161/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A3IJ74OD57QMXP&psc=1

Both are about $500

[weary raft]

Their printers work offline as well

[knotty sparrow]

Not anymore

If it ever gets an internet connection it'll require a firmware update that forces it to always be online

[weary raft]

Also I'd recommend asking in like the 3d printing discord or subreddit

[knotty sparrow]

They have a louis rossmann special now

[harsh crow]

Mind sending me a invite?

[knotty sparrow]

https://youtu.be/aIyaDD8onIE?si=kqUmoTFztXN5c9pX

https://youtu.be/W6MybDJfmmY?si=ycHARisp1wNfsFzS

[weary raft]

You can find it on the server discovery feature

[sleek fox]

Bambu is now hard avoid with their proprietary-ification

They're pulling HP-level shenanigans

And it's sad cuz I was considering to get one of their printers

[fluid lichen]

No more bambu

[harsh crow]

What do you guys recommend?

Within $600

[magic sparrow]

Not exactly into 3D Printing space so could be wrong, but afaik Sovol is pretty good value for the cheap stuff like <$600 mark

[sinful heart]

https://a.co/d/4mBLzhG $52

Goat status

[strange flume]

Damnnn

[deep aspen]

Opinion on these? https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-C12C-120mm-Case-Cooler/dp/B0C68NYCP7

[sacred pagoda]

Unbeatable value

IIRC Arctic P12 PWM PSTs might be a tad better? But they don't have rgb and are $7ea vs under $5ea

[deep aspen]

Im curious why i dont see arctic get recommended more tbh

Its usually thermalright

[sacred pagoda]

The p12s used to be the go-to rec until thermalright came round

[deep aspen]

Fair enough

[strange flume]

Yeah C12C are hard to beat

[deep aspen]

These are the guys in my pc atm, theyre so quiet under load i can hear the hell of my gre's coil whine so audibly

And its not even that loud of a whine

[strange flume]

C12R btw is the reverse version

If you don't like fan cages

I can't remember the exact name for the c12c reverse one but it's one of the R's

[deep aspen]

And then w is white if i recall right

[strange flume]

Mhm

[deep aspen]

Its an interesting naming scheme for sure

[strange flume]

It's not super complicated imo

I'm not adverse to the way they name it as it's intuitive

Unlike some brands lmao

[deep aspen]

At this point im tempted to do a power limit on my gre a bit because of them being way quieter than my old fans, not really wanting to do a full undervolt if i dont have to

[sacred pagoda]

Undervolting is fairly easy

[deep aspen]

I just use adrenalin lol

[strange flume]

You should do a frame cap if you want less coil whine

[deep aspen]

Actually thats fair yeah

[strange flume]

It's the only way to do it

If not take the card apart and find the bugger (good luck)

[deep aspen]

🥹

Would it be worth doing lmao

[strange flume]

No

[deep aspen]

Straight to the point

[sacred pagoda]

UV could maybe help but not garunteed

[strange flume]

There's like several hundred different diodes, capacitors, modules

And you need to find the one that vibrates

Literally good luck

I would never be bothered

[deep aspen]

That sounds like a million times more effort than id ever put into it

[strange flume]

Nah it often has to do with the output frame rate. Like completely dependent

Undervolting will make the card quieter, not fix whine

Like quieter in the sense of less power needed, less fan

You can get mad whine just loading up an old game at like 400 fps

Lol

The newer gen should be even louder with whine at that

[sacred pagoda]

I've heard people say it can help. But yes for really loud whine a frame cap will do much more

[strange flume]

The better quality we get, the more it's prevalent

Just cap frames in game to the monitor limit

Or slightly over

Don't use adrenalin to do it cos you'll turn off anti lag

Anti lag is always worth keeping

[deep aspen]

idk what to use outside of adrenalin really rip

[strange flume]

None of that

[sacred pagoda]

Alr I gotta go to bed. Long live thermalright 🫡

[strange flume]

Go to gaming

Then display

Under there is anti lag

Make sure that's on

[deep aspen]

i keep it on already yee

[strange flume]

Then wait until you're in game, enable fps limit

Radeon chill in that menu tho is fps cap

But I'd do it in game

Cos radeon chill disables anti lag

[deep aspen]

should i just enable default tuning?

[strange flume]

If you ask me

Undervolting radeon causes too many issues to recommend daily

Issue a power cap if you want less power

Undervolting just makes it faster

And less stable

[deep aspen]

any severe issues or do you just mean like software bugging out and stuff

[strange flume]

Unstable in general

Black screens

Settings reset

Stuttering

Vram artifacts

[deep aspen]

i gotcha

then ill just stick to default lol

its still a high end card nonetheless

[strange flume]

AMD is good for daily imo but only if you don't screw around with it

Their binning and qc needs work over there

I've felt that way for some time now

I'll simp an XTX but only if I'm not screwing with OC lmao

People also always get undervolting wrong, cos they infer the Nvidia method from way back in turing

On RDNA it's similar to Ryzen

PPT, EDC, TDC

Very different boosting behaviour as well

Just straight dipping the voltage is like putting curve optimiser on a ryzen cpu

Lol

It won't reduce pbo power limits

It'll just make it clock higher

They work almost exactly the same way behaviour wise

Cos an XTX will pull whatever the hell it wants

Same for the other cards

RDNA 3 was very power limited but the methods and boost behaviour are very different

[deep aspen]

not bad information to keep in mind lol

when you say quality control what kinda scenarios would that really be specific to

other than like silicon lottery bs

[strange flume]

I see it a lot cos people think "Yeah check out my 0.2v undervolt" then they later say "AMD sucks I can't reduce the power" like duh

[strange flume]

Binning is fine, very consistent these days afaik.

But board control, qc, I see lots of doa samples

Like if we want to bash intel, let's look at AMD for a minute, consistently sending doa stuff on the regular

Idk why it happens

Maybe the logistics, the labour costs, idk

But I see a lot more out of the box with issues on AMD

Just in general

Is that enough for me to say don't buy tho? No

[sinful heart]

Spitting

[strange flume]

I've been on and off messing with tech for years and Fitz helped me realise this, it just happens, the odds of DOA product on AMD seems higher in general

Intel only recently joined in on that

Prior tho, really solid

[deep aspen]

Do different card manufacturers not quality control test what they take in?

[strange flume]

I don't think it's manu specific

I'm not sure what the cause is, I just know from my recollection

A lot of people also misdiagnose AMD issues as well

That also feeds into it

[sinful heart]

I keep thinking about the b12 but never bought it

[deep aspen]

Actually im curious if theres any chip quality difference between different models by manufacturers lol, like say a powercolor fighter versus a powercolor hellhound

[sinful heart]

Should I get the b12 for case and tower or just the tower

[strange flume]

Like they'll say "This card sucks I'm going nvidia" then they swap over and it's a decent chance it does get fixed (Nvidia is a bit more stable in general)

But sometimes it doesn't

And usually the problem is something else altogether

[deep aspen]

I love nvidias quality but god do i wish they didnt cost a fortune

[strange flume]

If you don't already have decent fans B12's are amazing

[deep aspen]

Nvidia is literally just apple for graphics cards

[strange flume]

Nvidia has a lot of issues themselves

Just not the same scale

[deep aspen]

Well i mean every company does to some degree

[strange flume]

And all that said I still suggest amd, cos a product being DOA doesn't shift my opinion enough in this capacity

You can swap the product

Ez

[deep aspen]

DOA is covered under warranty right

[sinful heart]

Fr

[strange flume]

Yes ofc

Look if AMD was really bad with QC I'd be gassing them for it but I ain't

It's not so bad I'd care about it imo

[deep aspen]

You say ofc but you forget how scummy some companys will get lmao

[strange flume]

It's just always something I remember

[sinful heart]

I have some bequiets from a few years ago

They bagged me

[strange flume]

Consumer rights are a standard thing. If you aren't buying from a place that honors that then you could've bought anything else with that same issue

[strange flume]

Just compare them side by side

Bequiets are decent but pricey

Typically anyway

Not those ring rgb ones

[sinful heart]

My brother got a p12 5 pack and I took one for my cpu cooler. The one I took is kinda faulty

[deep aspen]

True, im just saying for scenarios where its difficult for the average consumer to prove they didnt do anything wrong

[sinful heart]

It makes more noise than the others

[strange flume]

This is why you film opening things these days

[sinful heart]

Maybe I could get a b12 for the cpu cooler but im unsure if i will change towers or not

[strange flume]

People are asses

[deep aspen]

Ive started doing that myself tbh

[strange flume]

I always take pics and film

[deep aspen]

I did it for the monitor recently put up on tech deals

[strange flume]

Which tower which cpu

[deep aspen]

I recorded cutting open the box and everything

It just bothers me the average consumer would have to do that to not get scammed should something happen

[strange flume]

Which is why amazon is a beloved place

As much as people hate bezos

They take a trusting approach

[sinful heart]

I have a black se207xt on a pbo 5600, but i was thinking of getting a white tower and fans because my case is white which is literally pointless yet I keep thinking about it

[strange flume]

Just get a white tower then lol

Se 214 xt is like $17 in white

That's pretty good

Not the quietest fan but solid performance

[harsh crow]

Whoa, what's happened here. Haven't seen this chat quite this active in a while.

[harsh crow]

Lmao you are the first person other than myself to think this.

[deep aspen]

Im confident more people have made the connection for sure

Id hope so at least lol

[harsh crow]

At least they are like Apple in it's prime.

[timber comet]

which of the 2 is better? the one on the left that I ordered or the stock wraith prism cooler that came with my R7 5800xt?

[low pumice]

Probably the wraith prism at a glance, the heatsink on the left one looks a bit inadequate

[weary raft]

the one on the left just looks like a hyper212
though some knockoff or rebadge perhaps

(since that logo isnt coolermaster)

[low pumice]

92mm fan makes it seem even smaller

[weary raft]

oh that's 92mm? then damn that would be pretty small lmao

OH i didnt expand the image

lmao

[timber comet]

so return the SQ-Power cooler?

I plan on getting a dual tower or AIO if the wraith prism doesn't perform well

[low pumice]

I wouldn't trust the sq power cooler to be much better, I'd return it if it's not too much of a hassle

[low pumice]

You would be fine with a decent dual tower cooler, assuming Germany, something like this if you're not satisfied with the prism
https://www.proshop.de/CPU-Kuehler/ID-Cooling-FROZN-A620-PRO-SE-ARGB-CPU-Luftkuehler-Max-25-dBA/3294874

[timber comet]

the sq-power cooler says 180w tdp

the 5800xt has like 105w

[timber comet]

how is it so cheap?

the sq-power cooler is yet to come

[low pumice]

The better question might be why the rest are so expensive lol

[timber comet]

isn't AIO better?

or atleast quieter while having the same cooling power?

[low pumice]

It's diminishing returns, you get close to the same performance of a bad aio with a decent dual tower cooler.

[timber comet]

so if I get a decent AIO?

[low pumice]

It'll depend on the specific cooler too, pump and fan noise and vary between AIOs

And you don't need an aio for a 5800xt

[timber comet]

they say it gets pretty hot

[low pumice]

Yes, that's why a decent dual tower cooler will be nice to have, but you won't get much out of an aio over a decent dual tower cooler

[timber comet]

so this is definitely better than the prism and will cool the 5800xt down nicely even under heavy load?

because I'm afraid the case I got is pretty bad in terms of airflow

[low pumice]

What case did you get?

[timber comet]

thinking about getting phanteks xt pro

the cooler you sent is like 15€ more on amazon

[timber comet]

I got it because I didn't need anything flashy but completely forgot about airflow

[low pumice]

Well, it's a solid front, there's only so much a cooler can do if it has no access to air in general, can't tell where the front fans would even pull air from lol

[low pumice]

Do you need to buy from Amazon? Proshop shipping isn't free but it should be like 5 euro shipping

[timber comet]

no but I bought everything on amazon because I had a 500€ gift card

[low pumice]

The non-rgb one is 40 euros on Amazon if you want to use the gift card
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0D1CGL7D1

But that's getting a bit expensive, it's a $30 cooler in the US lol

It's getting into the price range where an aio can make some sense, but again I wouldn't use this with the case you currently have, I'd rather save the 15 euros and put it towards a better case than buying the aio in the case with a solid front
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BLHHMVPJ

[sacred wren]

This is a tiny bit too tall iirc

[timber comet]

I already used the gift card for the parts

[sacred wren]

151mm cooler clearance

[low pumice]

Either way I'm recommending a better case lol

[sacred wren]

Oh mb

Didn't see that

[timber comet]

will it fit in the phanteks xt pro?

[low pumice]

184mm CPU cooler clearance in the xt pro

[timber comet]

so is the id-cooler dual tower or the thermalright aio better?

cooling performance wise

[weary raft]

probably around the same

[low pumice]

For the purposes of cooling your 5800xt, the aio would be SLIGHTLY better

[timber comet]

is the coolant inside already or do I have to fill it in?

[low pumice]

It's all-in-one

Usually you don't even get a fill port

[timber comet]

so its not like the fancy ones with clear pipes

closed system basically, right?

maintenance free?

[strange flume]

It's closed but no guarantee it's completely maintenance free

[timber comet]

also what site do you usually buy parts in europe(germany) that's cheaper than amazon?

[strange flume]

You may need to open it in a few years because build-up happens in water whether you want it to or not

It's just a thing that happens and it's impossible to remove out of any water cooler completely

[timber comet]

I doubt there's just water in it

[strange flume]

They're usually about 90%+ water

It's often filtered with inhibitors

[timber comet]

can I use car coolant?

[strange flume]

No

Car coolant is a higher concentration of glycol, you'll have issues

The pumps are also smaller, they won't pump higher glycol concentration easily

[timber comet]

bummer

[timber comet]

?

[strange flume]

Yep it's just a fact of life when any liquid cooler comes into play

[timber comet]

how many years we talking?

[strange flume]

I can't answer this but someone else may know

Oh on a good cooler, a couple years minimum

It depends on what the mix is

Direct sunlight, other factors etc

[timber comet]

but if its closed and has no fill cap or something, how do I go about servicing it?

[strange flume]

If they don't have a fill port, they're often screwed down at the point where it goes onto the cpu

You'd flush and fill there

[timber comet]

but when I'll fill it, it will most likely have air bubbles in the system

[strange flume]

They always do

It's impossible not to

In fact you want that

Heat expands a system, if the air isn't in there, enough heat will crack the cooler open

It allows expansion/contraction

[timber comet]

fluids cant compress but gasses can

I mean you could compress water to like 99% but you would need exceptional pressure

[strange flume]

Yes

You are right but it's in the sense it's going to destroy the cooler lmao

That's why a few air bubbles is perfectly fine and intended

[knotty sparrow]

No promises it's cheaper but you can try https://www.alphacool.com/de
They're a Germany based company so you should get better shipping rates and less VAT

[strange flume]

Alphacool is often quite cheap over there

Also arctic

Their formula for coolant is 95% osmosis water, 4.2% propylene glycol, 0.8% ph stabiliser

They publish this info which is honestly amazing

Saved me hundreds of dollars by being able to homebrew liquid loop coolant

[knotty sparrow]

Yep the liquid freezer II and III especially https://www.arctic.de/

LFIII ARGB for 88 euros is fantastic

https://www.arctic.de/Liquid-Freezer-III-360-A-RGB-Black/ACFRE00144A

[timber comet]

I think the thermalright frozen notte will do

[strange flume]

The TR is good

They have a long ass warranty if you're worried about opening it

By the time it fails in five years you can likely warranty it and get another one

If that even happens at that

[timber comet]

sounds good

[harsh crow]

I have a really stupid idea that I really want to do.

Has anyone made a External Radiator Chamber that you can just pull out like the DNA chamber from Jurassic Park?

https://images.app.goo.gl/Xo6nfvuCqCmuxeJC6

Like 6-8 radiators with fans placed in a circle with a bottom intake and top exhaust fan contained inside a external radiator housing.

[weary raft]

that is an interesting radiator shape indeed

[harsh crow]

I don't have the means to do it anytime soon but this feels like a good way to have as much rad as I want and keep it safely contained away from the PC.

Massive round chamber with radiators mounted to a frame that can be pulled out using soft tubing at the bottom that can be hooked up to the PC.

Had a dream about it last night of such a monstrosity with 8x560mm radiators...

[weary raft]

"a good way to have as much rad as i want" good way? not really
a interesting way? yeah i'd say so

also ususally radiators like those are passive lmao

no point in adding a fan

[harsh crow]

Gotcha, didn't think it could be passive with so few.

[harsh crow]

Do you think it could work?

I am abnormally excited about such an idea.

Setup a nice display PC with all the housing and next to it the obnoxious freon (not literally) chamber.

[weary raft]

it would be abnormally expensive to get a circulat radiator
also you'll have to figure out what loop materials are compatible with brass or whatever the radiator is made of

[harsh crow]

Oh no not a circular radiator.

[weary raft]

is pure copper compatible with brass without anything else

[harsh crow]

I mean 6-8 radiators vertically lined up to form what looks like a circle.

[weary raft]

i think so... maybe it wont be quite as hard

[weary raft]

oh
that would absolutely be overkill for a single pc

[harsh crow]

Lmao I thought you seemed very calm about it.

[weary raft]

afaik a single typical radiator for a room would be able to sufficently cool a pc
or at least have enough thermal mass to take forever to saturate

[harsh crow]

Hence why I recognize this is freaking obnoxious.

[weary raft]

also buying one of those radiators new would be quite expensive, and a used one would be full of scale and gunk

[harsh crow]

On Amazon 480/560mm rads seem to be between $150-180 each.

[weary raft]

especially if the heating loop had some open air, rather than being sealed

OH i thought you were talking about the heating radiators

[harsh crow]

No no.

Normal pc radiators

Just in a circular housing.

[weary raft]

the image you show certainly was a little misleading, also i probably should have read the full message about the dream you had lmao

[harsh crow]

A modular circular housing.

The idea is to create what I am nicknaming Frae. A tall cylindrical housing with a large bottom intake and top exhaust fan. Oriented around them will be 6-8 radiators vertically setup to create what looks like a circle.

[weary raft]

i dont think i've seen anybody try to make a circular cooling thing like that at least
closest thing would be like the natural draft cooling towers that nuclear power plants use lmao , but in terms of pc cooling, i dont think so?

[harsh crow]

Gotcha.

Do you think this would work?

I recognize that it's going to be expensive, take tinkering, and absolutely overkill for any PC for the next like 40 years.

[weary raft]

also it wouldnt be top and bottom intake/exhaust, it would be more like side intake or exhaust, with top (and or bottom) as exhaust/intake

[harsh crow]

Would it help if I whipped up a very rough mockup of the idea?

[weary raft]

yeah

[harsh crow]

Kay give me like 5m then I will start drawing it.

@weary raft how long will you be up? I could probably whip up some much better mockups with some time. also because I gotta go eat dinner.

[weary raft]

not long at all lmao

maybe 20 mins

[harsh crow]

ahh let me do a very very quick mockup then and I will make better ones over night

horrid mockup

but to give an idea

tall tower of vertically mounted rads lined up to form a rough circle around a bottom and top intake

[weary raft]

Realistically, no point in the top fan

[low pumice]

The problem would probably be getting fresh cool air

[sacred pagoda]

The rads are just going to be fighting for air (if they intake from the middle) or causing extra pressure and turbulence in the middle (if intaking from the outside)

[strange flume]

https://youtu.be/sq5OESjWFhU?si=M9BImkGENA1nFM-k

https://youtu.be/GncN5WBcP2Q

More or less been done already

[harsh crow]

this is a pretty nice looking build.

[harsh crow]

So each rad would need a way to get it's own unaffected air?

[sacred pagoda]

Ideally yes

[harsh crow]

I may have an idea. I am gonna spend some time over the next few weeks mocking up a design

I feel like this would be a very fun way to get into custom loops. A Modular Cryo Chamber of sorts.

[sacred pagoda]

It wouldn't necessarily hurt performance but could just be noisy

[harsh crow]

What if there was a object to split the airflow from the bottom and top intakes?

Something I can slide in that blocks the rads from fighting each other for air.

basically creating 8 separate air tunnels one for each rad.

[sacred pagoda]

Maybe. You also run into the fact that something like 6 * 420 * 120 mm^2 of radiators and fans have one hexagon of open air to share between them

Whoops multiplication went to italics

302400 mm^2 vs 37400 (or 74800 if it has feet to keep it off the table)
Granted the gap(s) will be able to flow more air through than the fans and rad

[harsh crow]

To provide them with air I was imaging a intake on the top and bottom that'd feed into a air chamber of sorts for the rads to use to then force outward using fans on them.

[strange flume]

Jfc how much rad do you need

Just one double thick 360mm would do an entire 5090 pc wtf

[harsh crow]

This is purely an idea and a obnoxious one I admit.

[harsh crow]

What does 'Jfc" mean?

Jesus f-- christ?

[strange flume]

That doesn't justify any sense of the suggestion

[strange flume]

No swears

[harsh crow]

Lmao there is nothing sensible about this

nor would I ever recommend this to someone else

Purely for my own amusement that I am quite tempted to do

[sacred pagoda]

You could also imagine it as something like 24 fans * 50 CFM ea = 1200 CFM through the 2 gaps. 600CFM through a 0.4sqft gap seems like a lot to me

[strange flume]

You'll raise hell for yourself

As joe is beginning to point out

A crap load of fans

A crap load of fittings

Cut tubes

Fluid

Pumps

Your design will be *cable hell

[harsh crow]

hold up brb 10m

[strange flume]

I mean if you wanna spend more than 2 grand on some ridiculous loop like that it's your money man but I would expect nothing short of an insane cost dump

[sacred pagoda]

You might even run into something where the fans closer to the gap suck in more of the air and the ones in the middle are fighting a weird semi vacuum. Idk

[strange flume]

And you will have 0, zero, zilch

Benefits

Over an aio and normal air cooler

[strange flume]

Recirculation

This whole idea is ridiculous

Lmfao

This is like reading a D&D meme

[sacred pagoda]

"Best" way to do it would probably be to have the fans on the outside, intaking, and find commercial fans with crazy static pressure

[strange flume]

No

Best way

1 radiator

Cease insanity

Lmfaoooo

[sacred pagoda]

Yes hence "best" in quotations

[strange flume]

I hesitate to say that in a design like that you'll have so little pump head and so much recirculation you'll actually make the cooling worse

[sacred pagoda]

I wouldn't be surprised

[strange flume]

Limited circulation, ridiculous ambient power, slow water, lack of pointed exhaust flow

It would be worse than a sensible loop lmao

If not for the potential cost but even the performance ☠️

[harsh crow]

That'd be due to limited air circulating in the middle? We will call that the air chamber for simplicity sakes

[strange flume]

Because of so many things

[harsh crow]

How powerful is a D5 pump?

[strange flume]

Everything comes together in this cacophony of chaos

[strange flume]

[harsh crow]

I can't tell if you are enjoying the obnoxiousness of this idea or not.

[strange flume]

I am because it's funny af

We may as well spit roast the whole loop next and spin it for water wheel effects

Just do a normal loop man

[harsh crow]

😵‍💫

[strange flume]

One 60mmx360mm if you're so desperate

It's enough with decent fpi

Overkill in fact

[harsh crow]

I am dead set on doing a loop at this point.

Been thinking about doing one for what 3 years now?

[strange flume]

You stand to gain nothing out of a loop but you're just gonna make an insane monster of a workload for what was no matter what gonna be negligible impact

[harsh crow]

What the loop will be or how it turns out is not set in stone though

[strange flume]

1 phat 360 is enough

Overkill

A single plain 420mm is overkill

[harsh crow]

And here I was talking about 4 560s xD.

Turly obnoxious indeed

[strange flume]

You would've actually lost your own mind

Stopped halfway through and cut your losses

That's an insane amount of work

[harsh crow]

Amount of work is not a existent concept in my head. For me things come down to if it's doable or not and can I do it.

But I do agree with how obnoxious the idea was.

I will start with a normal style loop as you recommend and look into a external loop for fun sakes at a later date.

I do want to change my case though to something that would be more visually appealing for a loop.

[harsh crow]

What would be considered decent?

[strange flume]

https://shop.alphacool.com/en/shop/radiators/420mm/14442-alphacool-nexxxos-hpe-45-full-copper-420mm-radiator

[harsh crow]

I was earlier looking at their UT60 Copper rads

[strange flume]

The above is enough

Just 1

[harsh crow]

iirc the higher the fins per inch the more static pressure is needed correct?

[strange flume]

Mhm

[harsh crow]

My plan is to switch entirely over to 140mm fans.

What would be the most fpi you'd say I can do using Phanteks D140?

[strange flume]

I have no idea

[harsh crow]

Supposedly reviews say they perform very close to the T30

[strange flume]

Just know that the more rad involved the exponent increases for the cooling power needed

A sensible loop would use genuinely proper fans

Like b14 lcps

P12 maxes

A14x25s

[harsh crow]

Wow the P12 Max are cheap

really cheap

[strange flume]

Basically the best high performance fan on a budget

Next to the B14 extreems

No different to high budget really, money is not the objective for loop fans you want function

[harsh crow]

Mind if I pick your brain about pc cases for a moment?

[strange flume]

Like 5 minutes

[harsh crow]

Aight.

[strange flume]

I'm leaving shortly

[harsh crow]

Are you aware of any pc cases that support a radiator on both the left and right side of the case or two up top. 420mm minimum size. I want to have access to a flat bottom for decoration.

[strange flume]

No

Unless you want a server rack I do not know another case

Oh, TT tower series

That's basically it

[harsh crow]

I am struggling to find the Tower 900

I have been eye balling those

[strange flume]

Cos I'm pretty sure it's discontinued

[harsh crow]

I found this the other day but can't find it for sale anywhere

raijintek eris evo

[strange flume]

I have no reading on that one

[harsh crow]

f

[strange flume]

If you like the tower just buy a different one

You only need 2x360 absolute max

The hpe 420 is more than that

[harsh crow]

hpe?

[strange flume]

Ez fit in a number of tower cases

[strange flume]

^

I've gotta go bye

[harsh crow]

oh

[strange flume]

👋

[harsh crow]

Have a good one

!

[harsh crow]

How long does a D5 pump last and what do I need to do to make a custom loop perform better than an aio?

[cobalt ledge]

Between the choice of the following:

Arctic Silver 5 (about 9 years old)

Thermalright TF4

Thermalright TF7

Arctic MX-6

Which is the best paste?

[strange flume]

MX-6

TF7 2nd

Arctic silver that old would turn to dust the moment it sees the outside

Good lord

https://tenor.com/view/infinity-war-avengers-spider-man-death-vanish-gif-12094481

[weary raft]

D5 pump should last a good few years at least
And the main factors for custom loop performing better than an aio is really just a better cold plate, and/or cooler coolant (bigger heatsinks, or a chiller, or cooler ambient)

[strange flume]

If at all

Coldplates are really good on aios now

What keeps custom loops at most marginally ahead is the pump head performance

Water cycling fast enough that it doesn't absorb as much heat all at once

What this translates to tho is maybe a few degrees on a well planned out one, but a marginal gain in performance of at most 1%

The days of loops being a game changer have long gone by honestly

[weary raft]

True
Honestly I personally would stick with air cooling on most systems unless you're doing like SFF

[strange flume]

Agree

[knotty sparrow]

Arctic silver 5 is conductive as well, unlike modern paste

[weary raft]

Mmm conductive dust

[strange flume]

The ushering in of the new ultra 285K basically signals the end of any parts that genuinely need a waterloop to work super well

Bar like certain ventus cards

There's really almost nothing left worth looping lol

It's just an aesthetic change, and potentially a noise floor change

[knotty sparrow]

But that's the best way to get your 9950X3D up to 6.5GHz

[strange flume]

The real hardware worth looping lies in enterprise or hedt

[strange flume]

If you want a fast X3D chip you want fast ram

More cpu ghz is marginal lol

And even then

Fast ram is also marginal

So like, marginal upon marginal lol

[knotty sparrow]

8800 desync time

[strange flume]

Ryzen has always been ram limited af

[weary raft]

Idek if most datacenters are worth looping after you calculate long term operational costs and the risk of destroying an entire rack if a block or tube breaks on the top of the rack

[strange flume]

Ye

Oh but some still do it

They'll seal it up harder than normal

[weary raft]

It does seem to be a small fraction of datacenters that do it

[strange flume]

Run it until dead pump lmao

Often it's like a whole rack, routed through a huge radiator and big pump

[weary raft]

Usually with redundant pumps

[strange flume]

So few moving parts

Compared to the whirring of 300 tiny fans in a rack I can see why some do it

But yeah leaks are a risk for sure

[weary raft]

Also maintenance would probably be terrible
Either your tubing is just attached with no quick disconnects, which is cheaper and less points for failure, but also much harder to swap a component
Or with quick disconnects, which need to be reliable enough, would be much more expensive, more points of failure, but makes swapping failing parts faster
There isn't much winning unless your components are so hot that you need to chill it more than air cooling can 🧐

[strange flume]

Oml

I was about to say

[weary raft]

Lmao

[strange flume]

Bro typing up a storm

[weary raft]

Typing on mobile with 2 fingers also takes a while

[strange flume]

And ye you're right

In terms of actual benefit tho

Water on something like a xeon w or epyc it is a fair degree better

[weary raft]

I think it's much cheaper to supply your technicians with earmuffs or plugs for the majority of applications

[strange flume]

I'm just talking performance

Value isn't a discussion at all water is sh-

[weary raft]

[strange flume]

And it's several degrees more stupid in desktop

The era for water is gone

Used to make genuine sense, now, we're in an era where an aio is more than enough

[weary raft]

Then, everything changed when the fire nation attacked

[strange flume]

The efficiency nation

Intel comes back with a 385K

500W

[weary raft]

The true fire nation

Can't cool them without direct die

[strange flume]

Direct die only

[weary raft]

Gotta direct die the i3 equivalent (idk what Intel's naming scheme is anymore)

[strange flume]

225K

4 cores 300W

[weary raft]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-visible-confusion-confused-gif-14771834

Why couldn't they stick with the old naming

[strange flume]

No no you don't understand

You need to confuse your enemy first

[weary raft]

Or did they have to change the name of their cpus because it was that much worse frfr like bulldozer

[strange flume]

Before going for the kill

You strike when they're distracted

"Intel ultra? What's tha-ARRGGHHH"

[weary raft]

https://youtube.com/shorts/B70a3wlPq9E

Intel

[simple onyx]

Guys do hard drives really need a 120mm fan? It’s really loud but im not sure if I should take it out, but then I’d have only a fan in the rear & two on top & they’re both exhaust fans. It’s for a really old pc that uses a fx 4300 chip, mainly used for data storage/old games

The fan is directly in front of the hard drive bays

[knotty sparrow]

That fan is cooling more than the HDDs. That air also feeds into the rest of the system.

[strange flume]

If you have hdd's pulling a lot of data yeah the fans do help a fair bit

[weary raft]

as someone who doesnt have a fan for my 2 hdds
they sit at around 40, and may even get up to the high 40s (which isn't ideal)

max temp rating for hdds is like 60c, but failure rates go up at around 50 afaik

[strange flume]

You need to really push them yeah

But go back far enough and hdd's weren't as efficient lol

[sacred pagoda]

If the drive bay has closed sides the air might not be cooling the drives much anyways

[vocal fable]

I found what I want my first ever loop to look like whenever I decide to do one 👀

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFfvuYBNctc/?img_index=1

[strange flume]

OOO that's clean

I dig man

Maybe not the rgb cables tho

That GPU PCB small af tho for water

[vocal fable]

yeah not the cables thats so tacky imo

[strange flume]

Simple loop too

More than enough for super quiet running

[vocal fable]

yeah water has always scared me but that actually looks fairly simple

ive been watching alot of videos on it recently

i see some with like super complex bends and all this

[strange flume]

Nah that's just flair man

[vocal fable]

I'd no doubt struggle since i've never done something like that but I gotta be patient

[strange flume]

If you do it properly it's easier than it looks

And avoid hard line

Hard line makes it a nightmare

[vocal fable]

is that hardline in that post

[strange flume]

Ye

[weary raft]

hard line? it's "simple" in theory, you just gotta bend some tubes

until you need to bend the tubes perfectly (you will probably not be able to do it on your first try)

[strange flume]

It makes both building and maintaining painful af

I do not recommend at all

[vocal fable]

why the maintaining?

[strange flume]

I used to be so gung ho about water looping

[weary raft]

because taking it apart is a pain

[strange flume]

Hard line is the one thing I never did

I'm so glad I didn't

[weary raft]

also upgrading means you need to redo entire lines

[strange flume]

You have to disassemble everything

[weary raft]

assuming the water inlet/outlets are different

[vocal fable]

do you have any pictures of yours onhand?

[strange flume]

Which they always are

[strange flume]

#build-pics

Current

Old

[vocal fable]

https://tenor.com/view/сигма-gif-3883804279153061520

[strange flume]

This doesn't exist anymore

[weary raft]

did you add a drain or did you have to finagle it to drain the loop lmao

[strange flume]

I've had a number of revisions but that's most of mine

[strange flume]

I have QDC's

Like everywhere

[vocal fable]

those are sick

[strange flume]

Easier

Don't need a drain if I can just remove part of it

[vocal fable]

QDCs? quick disconnects?

[weary raft]

true

[strange flume]

Yep

[weary raft]

though the disconnects are also so expensive 💀

a pair is like 10 bucks no?

[strange flume]

Not cheap no

[weary raft]

for a set of good quality ones i mean

[strange flume]

Like 10 per

[weary raft]

oh

[strange flume]

Not pair

[weary raft]

even more

[strange flume]

Lmao

[weary raft]

💀

[strange flume]

Yeah cos they're nice af to have man

I spent a LOT on loops

I went through many iterations

[vocal fable]

how do those work exactly

ive heard about them

[strange flume]

I have even older loops too

[vocal fable]

again just not super familar with this stuff

[weary raft]

me using my $3 set of garden hose quick disconnects (not for a pc, but for garden hose things)

[strange flume]

Basically they unscrew, a few drops fall out, the rest stays in

I use paper towels to catch the drops

It's....not perfect but miles easier

[weary raft]

lmao

[strange flume]

@vocal fable
https://youtu.be/H1z-aK2oWhk
https://youtu.be/C1751U6q59c?si=fG8ijWyRstHsGNuM

[weary raft]

this reminds me of that watercooled laptop that just pours out everything from the waterblock when you disconnect it

💀

[knotty sparrow]

"Oh no I want to add a M.2 to my PC but my tube is in the way!"
QDC is perfect for cases like that

[strange flume]

The taichi Radeon cards are def a favourite of mine

[strange flume]

That thing was stupid man LOL

[knotty sparrow]

They did a revision that fixed it so it was QDC on both sides

[strange flume]

MMMMMM

[weary raft]

idk how the initial revision even passed through being just an engineering sample

you'd think they'll have expected people to want to take the laptop out of the loop

[strange flume]

If I was offered to trade my sapphire card for a taichi I think I'd actually do it

The sapphire is better but man I LOVE the look

It always grabs me

Maybe I'll get a taichi 9070XT

It won't be in my daily pc's tho

[strange flume]

It'd end up replacing my 6900XT

Which is fine tbh

[weary raft]

i dont like clear fan blades
it just always reminds me of those cheap ass like $3 rgb fans that are really low quality and stop working after a year and also look like crap as well since it just has 4 leds

[vocal fable]

^

thats what i never liked about tachi

the middle fan throws me off

that 9070 looks better than previous tho

[weary raft]

i think i would have liked this better if it had like a frosted plastic

[vocal fable]

those look insane

[weary raft]

rather than a clear plastic

also a frosted plastic hides dust better

[strange flume]

It's the same on the 9070

The RGB is just switched off

[weary raft]

so you dont have to deep clean the fan blades as much

[strange flume]

Middle fan lights up dude lol

[weary raft]

needs to be more frosted imo

[vocal fable]

still just looks better to me

[strange flume]

Idk am I weird? I don't really care for RGB but the taichi rgb hit different

[sinful heart]

That taichi board is crazy

[strange flume]

I wanted a carrera with a XTX taichi so bad

[sinful heart]

[strange flume]

Carrara?

Either way I could've done it

I went nitro+ and Apex instead

Doesn't suck but man the aesthetic would've been way better

[vocal fable]

as an xfx fan they dropped the ball on 90 series

they went crazy for 6000 and then fell off

[sinful heart]

Thats pretty bad lmaooo

[strange flume]

Watch this cooler be semi loud but one of the best bins again for AMD on the cheap end

It happens every gen

XFX is always a safe pick lmao

It's a bit funky but it's gonna be one of the better cards

[weary raft]

i sure hope it's just the camera angle but those gaps between the fan and shroud look kinda bad lmao

[sinful heart]

That thang lowkey ugly

[vocal fable]

it may have rgb??

[strange flume]

Idk should I bother with changing my 4090 back to water?

[vocal fable]

thats the xfx card right

[strange flume]

Ye

[sinful heart]

It looks a lot better in the render

[weary raft]

💀 that colour

[strange flume]

If I don't bother I can basically net zero swapping to a 9070XT

[vocal fable]

XFX's white is solid tho

[strange flume]

That's how they market all taichis

[weary raft]

i fw the yellow kinda but this just looks bad lmao

[sinful heart]

Thats way better

[strange flume]

Every taichi

Lmao

[weary raft]

no way they got the bisexual gpu

[strange flume]

The BEST COLOUR

For Taichi

Is ALWAYS

ORANGE

ASROCKS

[sinful heart]

My ass def unplugging the rgb connector if I get that

Looks better off

[weary raft]

this image makes it look even more like those cheap $3 fans lmao

[sinful heart]

This goes way harder

[strange flume]

AHHHH

WHY ASROCK

[sinful heart]

Bro fr

[strange flume]

JUST MAKE IT ORANGE

[sinful heart]

Wow that looks a lot better than i thought

[vocal fable]

you may be changing my mind about the tachi with these ngl

stop

https://tenor.com/view/stay-in-the-box-gif-12532524724844907058

[strange flume]

Ew

Hot

How do they not understand

[sinful heart]

So you can make it look good

[strange flume]

YES

IT LOOKS AMAZING in a SINGLE colour

[sinful heart]

Yeah the barf really ruins it

[strange flume]

Asrock always misses this every gen

EVERY 👏 SINGLE 👏 TAICHI

[sinful heart]

[strange flume]

Like GOD KILL ME

Vs GOD F- ME

[sinful heart]

Yeah that and the other one is what comes to my mind whenever I think of these

[strange flume]

Like BOTH PG TOO

[vocal fable]

the felix tachi crashout needs to be studied

[strange flume]

PG IS WORSE

Asrock makes such good looking crap if you actually choose the right colours

Absolute ass

I can't-

I can't find a normal pick

💀

[vocal fable]

my fav cooler design i think

so simple but so clean

[strange flume]

DDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEE

OMFG

[sinful heart]

Vega fe went so dummy in 2018

[vocal fable]

so clean

[strange flume]

Me and Fal know someone with the midnight

Like not even the 50 revision

A rare midnight

The sad thing is those Ref cards are all noisy

Lol

[vocal fable]

yeah i saw a listing for a 6800 XT midnight on marketplace awhile ago i think

they wanted like 400 or smth iirc i was months ago

[strange flume]

So much better, bit cringe still but miles better

[sinful heart]

The 9000 ref cards look pretty nice

Especially the two fan

[strange flume]

Ref?

[sinful heart]

Reference

[vocal fable]

yeah I heard they didnt perform that great, shame since nvidia makes banger FEs

[strange flume]

Haven't seen ref?

[sinful heart]

Or what Im assuming is the ref

[strange flume]

Maybe I have

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supposedly

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Oh that

Looks like a ventus to me ngl

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I think the middle one is the one Im talking about

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Lol

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Holy crap

LOL

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Yoo thats wild

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Lmfao

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they really decided to go backwards 💀

xtx was super clean

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So gross

[knotty sparrow]

This one looks like there's a piece missing from the bottom

[vocal fable]

https://tenor.com/view/shakingperson-violentshake-gif-20683608

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Nah bro thats hard

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Clean

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Ok tbh @weary raft I see what you see here

Lmao

Those are too transparent

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ayo wait

i talked to this guy

on pc partpicker

i asked what vertical mount he was using iirc

cause i was thinking about one for my h6

i think it was that build it looks super familar

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Just rgb off

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Yeah idk why they went with them

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EZ DIY-FAB or Cooler Master V3

Most of the rest are meh

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do regular vetical mounts like those work for waterblocked cards

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Ofc

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idk if u need something special

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WB cards use standard pcie brackets

Oh god 12vhpwr

I changed my mind

Nope

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9070 xt cant be drawing enough to melt itself tho

right?

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2 things

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has its tdp leaked?

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#1 Any of us can pick another one and not need an adapter

#2 why risk it anyway? Even if it supposedly wouldn't melt

Those cables are annoying to work with

Check every single time for it popping loose

2x8 is fine they don't need 12vhpwr

[knotty sparrow]

Depends on the source you look at but most say between 260-300W

Probably also depends on the model

And ANY card can melt the 12VHPWR if it's plugged in badly enough

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i love consumer friendly designs!

[knotty sparrow]

At least 12V-2x6 is harder to screw up, and all the new stuff uses that standard

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Taichi is a hard skip for me if it's that stupid connector

I've never had mine fail

Touch wood

But that doesn't mean I'll openly use it

That cable comes loose so easily

It compounds anxiety man

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https://tenor.com/view/flex-tape-gif-10921536

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If they're gonna do that I'll pick another card if I decide to get one

[knotty sparrow]

I'll just use my 30 FE adapter and jump the pins so it doesn't know

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Ironically far safer

If you can do it

The extra plug pressure is gone without those stupid sense pins

[vocal fable]

the 6950xt one, the video lists the block as using the XFX merc 👀

honestly by the time I decide to watercool I wonder if it'd even be worth to waterblock my 6950xt