old-cooling

[shrewd juniper]

Ah okay they're case link was gone so i was just saying the largest available

[knotty sparrow]

It can fit 420mm worth of fans but there's not enough clearance for tubes on a radiator

So radiator support maxes at 360mm, which is still plenty

[hushed ivy]

any ideas on what 360 liq cooler i can get

[knotty sparrow]

This one

[hushed ivy]

oh didnt see that loi sorry

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah it didn't embed for some reason so it was just a link with no details lol

[hushed ivy]

https://www.amazon.ca/Arctic-Cooling-Liquid-Freezer-Cooler/dp/B07WNJCVNW/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1067L1RR8OBDX&keywords=Arctic+Cooling+Liquid+Freezer+II+360+All-In-One+CPU+Water+Cooler&qid=1664922408&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjA2IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=arctic+cooling+liquid+freezer+ii+360+all-in-one+cpu+water+cooler%2Celectronics%2C271&sr=1-5

this the same one?

[knotty sparrow]

Yes but more expensive

[hushed ivy]

im just lookin with amazon

[shrewd juniper]

Also i would recommend returning your motherboard and saving like 200$

[hushed ivy]

im way past the return date lol, got it back early September

ive been having my overheating problem for a month lol

[glacial swift]

Just to add on, the Liquid Freezer II lineup is absolutely splendid for Ryzen.

The offset mount is so much better than the stupid clips imo.

[rotund sable]

splendid

[shrewd juniper]

Pc community: we want d15 v2 and desk fan
Noctua: we heard you guys like keyboards and mousepads
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CjS2PmlDpTe

[low pumice]

i actually want those now

[strange flume]

That colour on that deskpad tho damn

[willow edge]

Noctua NH-D15.

[ornate chasm]

Sorry for the quality but my brother sent me it, says his cpu fan is making the noise once it reaches 2000rpm, this is my older cpu fan I gave him and it never made this sound

[willow edge]

sounds like either a bearing going bad or there's something stuck in the blades that's making that high pitched noise.

How old is the fan?

[ornate chasm]

Er, got it like 3 years ago I believe

Another video, seems like the bearing

[willow edge]

That on the stock heatsink?

[ornate chasm]

Yeah

Its the stock fan for the cpu

[willow edge]

Rip it off, replace with an appropriately sized noctua and zip ties.

I'd bet actual money that AMD cut corners on the stock fans. They're fine fans, but cheap bearings eat themselves pretty dang quick.

[queen trail]

Their Prism Wraith coolers are nice looking.

[hushed ivy]

i have a Noctua NHD9 or somethin rn/ im gettign the liquid setup that i was recommended here

[marsh badge]

Just buy a cooler at that point instead of fixing the fan on that amd cooler

Getting a noctua would cost the same to a cheap cooler that's better than stock

[marsh badge]

Yeah, you should definitely do that

5900x is a hot chip

[shrewd juniper]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CjXZGHmDRa8

noctua_at

Worried about thermal paste building up in the cut-outs of your AM5 CPU?

Made from highly heat-resistant polycarbonate and forming a tight seal around the edges of the CPU’s heat-spreader, the NA-TPG1 is simple yet highly efficient solution for keeping your Ryzen 7000 series CPU clean.

The NA-TPG1 will be available in a separate set with ten N...

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Interesting.....

[strange flume]

Is it a guard or is it a paste??

Oh it be a paste

Better NT-H1/NT-H2??

[shrewd juniper]

Paste with guard

[strange flume]

Ohhhh it the little plastic thing

Meh

[shrewd juniper]

Although i don't really understand it, like wouldn't the plastic just capture smd heat n stop heat escaping through the sides of the ihs

[strange flume]

More importantly would the plastic melt?

Maybe it's like, just for when you spread paste

But you take it off once you have that smooth layer

[shrewd juniper]

My thought too but pretty sure it's melting point is 200ish c

https://tenor.com/view/panik-kalm-calm-meme-memer-gif-20895926

[strange flume]

LMFAO

Yeah that's meant to be removed before turning it on

Or perhaps polycarbonate

Doe das som thicc sheets

Might be different for a small little insert

[shrewd juniper]

Well what the hell is the point of that lol the cooler will do le squish

[rotund sable]

The plastic would not melt

[raw olive]

Yo everyone I have a dilemma maybe yall can help with! I have the MSI Tomahawk MAX MOBO with a Ryzen cpu unfortunately the stock CPU cooler goes over my 4th RAM slot I tried buying a different cooler but still clearance is to short any ideas of what I can do? The only thing I can think of doing to use all 4 slots is a something like this https://www.amazon.com/CoolerMaster-MasterLiquid-Close-Loop-Cooler-SickleFlow/dp/B086BYYFG5/ref=sr_1_3?crid=31SYWHDMTNZKS&keywords=cpu+cooler+liquid&qid=1665070655&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI1Ljg2IiwicXNhIjoiNS40MyIsInFzcCI6IjQuNjAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=cpu+cooler+liqui%2Celectronics%2C125&sr=1-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18ed3cb5-28d5-4975-8bc7-93deae8f9840 The other coolers I purchased would work IF i turned the cooler upside down but I heard that's not recommended. Is that true? Will it effect performance or temps? Any help I would greatly appreciate!

[shrewd juniper]

I don't think that's physically possible for the stock cooler to do

Also cooler master aios are not the way to to they're mediocre at best

[raw olive]

Yeah I was recommended to just sell my ram and get 2x16 instead @shrewd juniper

[shrewd juniper]

While that is the best option but aside from that stock cooler cannot physically cover ram slot

It might go right beside it but shouldn't cover

[raw olive]

Yeah so is that just a bad design of my MOBO?

[shrewd juniper]

can you send a pic?

[topaz blaze]

Working on my son's pc
You guys think this heavy of a bend in the aio tubing is ok?

[strange flume]

Bends in the tube are ok, it's kinks in the tube when you start to worry

[topaz blaze]

Cool, thanks

[languid orbit]

It is possible to move this fan onto this side. And how much would it hinder the cooling ability for my 5800x. Fear I won't have clearance with my ram

[low pumice]

Depends on the motherboard

The other side is where the VRM heatsink is usually

[languid orbit]

Oh yeah who am I kidding I have a x570 aorus elite lol

[knotty sparrow]

What you can do on that cooler is shift the fan upwards so it clears the ram better

It'll have no noticeable effect on thermals

[low pumice]

If the case is big enough

[knotty sparrow]

Just leave the side panel off lol

[low pumice]

Lol

[left pulsar]

Many are wide enough. I wouldn't even bother swapping to the left side if there's already a rear case fan anyways.

[languid orbit]

I have the lian li O11 dynamic should be alright lol

Guess it will just have to look goofy until I get different ram

[low pumice]

Wait og o11? Pretty sure it doesn't fit ak620 in general

O11 supported 155mm iirc

Ak620 is 160mm iirc

O11 is not good for air cooling

[languid orbit]

Dang

It's the Lian Li O11 dynamic non xl

[low pumice]

Yea that only supports 155mm

The case was built to use liquid cooling

Not good for air cooling

[languid orbit]

Is there any other sufficient coolers that would fit. Not trying to spend another 200+ a 3rd time on an aio lol

I'm still going to try to get a warranty replacement on the one I have. Just going to have to wait until I have a day free.

I dont do any overclocks other than PBO

If I didn't have cats I'd just take the glass off

[shrewd juniper]

5800x requires a 360mm aio basically

3rd aio??

[languid orbit]

Msi 360mm mag aio pump died.

Then this one's issues.

[shrewd juniper]

Ah grab an ek rgb if you want a solid one

[languid orbit]

I would have to buy a 3rd aio if this one isn't able to be warranty exchanged

I was told the antec ones were amazing. It was for a good while.

[shrewd juniper]

Uh I've never heard of any good antec ones

[knotty sparrow]

MSI pumps suck that's why it died

(source: experience and reddit)

[low pumice]

MSI has too many variants

one of them was good but fails often

[shrewd juniper]

Ek, arctic and lian li Galahad with a honourable mention to deepcool ls720 are the good aios

[languid orbit]

I almost debated on downgrading to a 5600/x since I only game I don't stream or anything. Then selling my 5800x to make up some of the cost

[knotty sparrow]

Get a liquid freezer II 360 off b-stock for $65

Offset mount is perfect for AMD too

[shrewd juniper]

They said earlier they have an lf2 atm

I reckon it's a bad model since 90c at 40w

[languid orbit]

On Thursday when im off I'll see if mine is one of the recall ones

[shrewd juniper]

Probably is I've never heard of an lf2 that bad

[languid orbit]

[knotty sparrow]

Even my 240mm MSI cooler mostly kept my 5800X under 90. Not much under, and not during benchmarks, but still.

[languid orbit]

In the meantime I'll just use my 10105f/6600 xt rig

It's just weird too that when I did the bios reset last week and applied the same settings everything went back to normal. Then this morning started thermal throttling again

[languid orbit]

Looked it up by purchase date. Says I wasn't affected

[shrewd juniper]

Check model number instead might be wrong

[languid orbit]

Hopefully. I'll take it apart tonight and see. Stuck at work atm

Appreciate all the input as always

[knotty sparrow]

They've been pretty good about sending repair kits from what I've heard. If you take off the cold plate and see gunk, send a pic and they'll get you the new gasket and such.

[strange flume]

https://pausehardware.com/test-alphacool-core-ocean-t38-aio-360-mm-et-420-mm/6/#Resultats_des_tests

https://www.au.aquatuning.com/water-cooling/kits-systems-and-aios/all-in-one-cpu/29693/alphacool-core-ocean-t38-aio-420mm

Roughly 100USD (but with gross shipping outside of EU iirc)

Thoughtz?

Considering they compare it to a D5 loop I'm a little interested

[low pumice]

I mean that's the only thing they compare it to so

We'll need more data

[strange flume]

Indood, interesting result tho

[signal bane]

It's an Deepcool assassin 3 enough for R9 5900x?

[twin ivy]

Oh yea for sure

[signal bane]

Thks bro

[twin ivy]

No prob

[viscid vapor]

Was looking up pwm RGB fan controllers that convert non pwm to pwm for two wire fans, and noticed one type that actually controls the CPU fan. I'll never risk any pc ever again allowing a controller to take control of the CPU fan. My wife's Z390 I built her last year, was because her CPU fan stopped working during a heat wave, and it was actually the controller that went bad. She left her system on so her friends could log into her Minecraft server, and at some point, the fan stopped running, yet the application kept showing it was. Got home to a BSOD, reset the PC and speaker kept screeching each time. Opened her case, saw CPU fan not working and figured it was time to build her a new system. She took mine lol, in the mean time, and this year built Z690s for rest of family. Decided that day, to never get a controller that requires it to power the CPU fan.

[shrewd juniper]

I wouldn't 1 because the deepcool ak620 is better and cheaper, 2 because I'd prefer at least a 280mm aio on a 5900x if possible

[uneven solstice]

Yeah I got mine within 7 days after GN posted the video.

[uneven solstice]

If need be, I can give you the info of mine so you can get a repair kit. That way it'd be quicker than trying to get a hold of them to send you one.

[twin ivy]

I said it would be fine csuse i thought he alt had it

I prob should have asked

[languid orbit]

Appreciate it. I'll let you know. I ended up not having time yesterday either gonna be tonight if I'm up to it or tomorrow on my day off

[nimble scroll]

What a good fan hub for not to much that will fit a ssd slot

[marsh badge]

Erm, well you can basically hide the hub everywhere since none are 2.5" sized. They're smaller

What kinda hub are you looking for anyway?

4 pin pwm, 4 pin rgb or 3 pin argb?

[nimble scroll]

I don’t need an tbh it just have to bit 4 fans @marsh badge

[marsh badge]

Anything would work

I would get deepcool one tho

Or any with some branding

Just for warranty reasons

[twin ivy]

Thoughts on deepcool ls720

[strange flume]

Up there for one of the best AIO's rn

If you need anything better for a 5800X Derbaurer has an offset kit for AM4 but you'd need to check if your board has room for it

[shrewd juniper]

its decent

[strange flume]

@twin ivy https://youtu.be/JlJDv68fEcM

Whole tutorial and what to watch for is in this ^

[twin ivy]

Thankss

Ill make sure to check it out

[knotty sparrow]

Or just get the Liquid Freezer II that comes with the offset mount 🙃

[twin ivy]

I have the ls720alr

[knotty sparrow]

Then yeah the offset mount can help drop you 2-4C easy

[twin ivy]

Ok coool

[twilit junco]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[knotty sparrow]

They use non-standard fittings so you'll have a hard time. You might need to 3D print an adapter because they don't exist that I know of.
The pump should be fine if you add a res. Running pumps in series isn't really an issue, it just adds more head pressure.

[twilit junco]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[rustic holly]

Hello, i have been having an issue with my case fans, they will suddenly ramp up for a second and go back down. I don't know if thats normal but it happens constantly. Even with no programs and the pc in idle,it still ramps up suddenly and goes back down again.

[strange flume]

You've tuned the fan curve?

Some boards have some whacky fan curves out of the box, others don't configure for like AIO pump speed etc.
Bit more detail there might help

[knotty sparrow]

Adjust the fan step up time to be higher, so it takes longer to ramp up when it does that and won't be as noticeable. If you're lucky those minor temp jumps are short enough that with the higher step up it won't go as fast too.

[uneven solstice]

@magic sparrow Sorry to ping you. It was suggested that I ask you about where I should go to get a custom loop. I have a 3080 12gb Aorus Master (450w card) and I plan on going with a 13900k.

[magic sparrow]

I usually recommend Bykski/Barrow for GPU blocks unless you like spending lots o' money on diminishing returns. CPU I usually recommend Heatkiller IV Pro for Intel, might be different if going direct die which might be nice for RPL (realistically any CPU is happy under direct die).

[uneven solstice]

I see. What about pumps/rads/tubing/liquid and such?

[magic sparrow]

Pumps are usually just any D5. iirc Alphacool or some other company sells the cheapest ones. I usually just buy cheap DDC pumps as I don't care enough for good pumps (usually get more issues with pumps slightly failing over time, easier to get those weird pump noises).

Rads should be from HardwareLabs or Corsair. I'd prolly go with whatever is cheaper. Might be Corsair as afaik there aren't many sources for HL rads (tho HL will prolly be cheaper if you find a good source). If you have lots of rad space, it could be better going with a cheap larger Bykski/Barrow rad. Could prolly do like 2x240 Bykski for the price of 1x240 Corsair or smth.

Tubing/liquid idk. If softloop have to be a bit careful as some cheap tubes look bad over time. If hardloop I think any PETG/Acrylic will be the same quality, but don't really know. PETG and Acrylic do have their differences tho and apparently Acrylic is nicer to deal with in the long run (don't know how true that is). As for liquid I just use distilled water with biocide.

Fittings should be fine with anything. Tho Bitspower is apparently the best for fittings. Should be worth it if the price is similar to other companies, but I wouldn't really spend much more then average for fittings. I usually just use cheap Bykski fittings (Barrow should be same quality, which is basically good enough).

[rotund sable]

EK ZMT ftw

[strange flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873575401757225050/1031886630446964747/unknown.png

is this another one??

[shrewd juniper]

Ayooooo

[marsh badge]

wew

ag620

[sacred wren]

Is it just an ak620 with rgb?

[marsh badge]

perhaps

looks identical

[rotund sable]

watercooling bettar

[twin ivy]

Real

[rotund sable]

I ordered a Heatkiller IV recently

Arriving soon

Because watercooling > air cooling
@gloomy garnet

[frigid hornet]

I was wondering, what do u guys think abt the nzxt rgb fans

imo they look really cool but i rly doubt the performance on them

[strange flume]

Your doubts are correct if you mean those Aer fans

[rotund sable]

I've never actually put together a custom loop before because I've never had a need/money for one lol

I'm sure I know how though by this point... 💀

If it doesn't leak you owe me 10 froge stickers

[magic sparrow]

@uneven solstice Just making sure that you saw my answer to your question. Didn't ping you on it and no response so don't know if you saw it.

[uneven solstice]

Thank you. I did not see it. I will give it another read at work tonight since I am now just going to bed.

[slate ginkgo]

https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-cl-p105-al12sw-a/p/N82E16835106689?Item=N82E16835106689 I just got this for my new AM5 motherboard and its not fitting on. I thought AM5 and AM4 were cross compatible. Plus the Cooler says AM5 compatible on the box. The back plate that it came with looks like its just for an intel processor and won't fit on amd. So what am I doing wrong? It just seems like its a tad bit too tall to fit on right.

[low pumice]

Looks like it doesn't need backplate for AMD, just use stock backplate

[slate ginkgo]

That's what I am using. I know snapping those on are always kinda tight, but I was pushing on the cooler so much that the fins started to bend.

[low pumice]

a bit weird

[slate ginkgo]

Is the Ryzen 9 like taller than the rest?

I'm gonna take my cooler off my AM4 and see if that one fits on this since they are backwards compatible. Maybe the cooler is just busted. I just hope I didn't damage my mobo or anything putting this on.

[low pumice]

All of the chips should be the same height

[slate ginkgo]

I will say that the AM5 top is a little weird looking. ITs got some holes and stuff around it and not just a solid plate.

[strange flume]

you're using a single tower on a ryzen 9? I hope you've power limited that chip

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah that's common sentiment

[slate ginkgo]

@strange flume Should i be using more for that guy?

[strange flume]

Yes and no. You can use them in eco mode but they'll be some 5-10% kneecapped

only 90W chips in eco

[knotty sparrow]

Considering those chips are designed to run at 95C yeah, you probably want something beefier if you want full performance

[strange flume]

but you need them to be power limited

if you want to actually use the chip to full effect, you would want more like a 360 aio (other end of the spectrum)

[knotty sparrow]

280 is fine tbh, it doesn't throttle much on one

[slate ginkgo]

Is there anything I could use that doesn't include liquid cooling? Never been a big fan of having liquid in the computer.

[knotty sparrow]

AK620 maybe

[strange flume]

not really, AK620 is about as close to the sun as possible

but even then it's not really as good as a 280 or 360 aio

[knotty sparrow]

Or go all in on a NH D15

[rotund sable]

aio > d15

[strange flume]

aio's are very reliable these days anyway. I've had 6 or more by now, never had a leak

[slate ginkgo]

Do you have to add liquid to them?

[strange flume]

no

[strange flume]

nIcE AiO

[rotund sable]

yes

[knotty sparrow]

They're closed loops that are intended to never be opened. They're pre-filled and ready to use.

You may need to replace it every 5 years or so due to evaporation depending on what model you got but that's a future problem, by then you need a new cooler anyway for new sockets.

[slate ginkgo]

I think I have room in my case for a double fan radiator. Unless they can install over existing fans

Or could I go ahead and replace the three fans in front with the radiator?

[strange flume]

you can use existing fans as long as it comes with the regular standoffs

[knotty sparrow]

They can use or replace your existing fans

[slate ginkgo]

So I can just put the radiator on the back of old fans

[strange flume]

yeah if you want

and then you have spare fans

[knotty sparrow]

Odds are good that you can if you have the right screws. Most coolers come with the needed extra set.

That also relies on there being enough room in the case.

[rotund sable]

i hope to get a 480 rad soon

thats what the block is for

same loop

you can guess what socket im using that block on 🤓

[knotty sparrow]

Gee it couldn't be for a xeon

[rotund sable]

actually i dont have that chip in my daily anymore

traded it for a 6950X

[knotty sparrow]

A what now

[rotund sable]

i wont have the 6950x in my daily though, thats for overclocking

[knotty sparrow]

7950X? 6950 XT?

[rotund sable]

broadwell-e

intel hedt

[knotty sparrow]

Ah "new" gen xeon basically

[rotund sable]

definitely not new

the 6950X is an i7 actually

[knotty sparrow]

Oh right that was even before i9 was a thing

[rotund sable]

yea

[slate ginkgo]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835101076?Description=asus tuf cooler&cm_re=asus_tuf cooler-_-35-101-076-_-Product
or
https://www.newegg.com/asus-liquid-cooling-system-tuf-gaming-lc-240-rgb/p/N82E16835101051?Description=asus tuf cooler&cm_re=asus_tuf cooler-_-35-101-051-_-Product&quicklink=true

[rotund sable]

i9 was a thing the next gen

i wanna get a 7980XE but $$$

make it pull 1kW

[slate ginkgo]

And how much power do these things draw?

[knotty sparrow]

When gaming or under all core load?

[slate ginkgo]

Gaming and all that

I've got a 1000w psu

[strange flume]

240 would still be not enough if you go this route btw

[knotty sparrow]

250W under full all core load

[strange flume]

big difference to 280 & 360mm*

[knotty sparrow]

Literally double the power that the 5950X used for the same task in blender

[rotund sable]

@slate ginkgo
https://www.ebay.com/itm/354106545275?

does your case spport a 280mm rad actually

[knotty sparrow]

It'll probably use around 100W when gaming

Depending on game

[slate ginkgo]

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-liquid-cooling-system-masterliquid-pl360-flux/p/N82E16835103333

[knotty sparrow]

Please no

MSI pumps die a lot and the fans are garbage

[strange flume]

that's a cooler master

[slate ginkgo]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835101064 so what about this?

[strange flume]

try this one
https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835856213

[strange flume]

nah. very meh

[knotty sparrow]

Nyyyeeee these names are stupid

[strange flume]

nnoooorreeeee

[slate ginkgo]

DEEP COOL MASTER PRO XL MAGUM

[knotty sparrow]

PL360 ML360 not the same brand

Come on people

[slate ginkgo]

My case will support 360mm radiator

[strange flume]

pastaliquid

[strange flume]

liquid freezer II 360, LS720, lian li galahad (Not the SL or AL versions)

[slate ginkgo]

ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 A-RGB

[knotty sparrow]

420 is massive, you need a special case designed to fit it

[slate ginkgo]

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-High-Performance-Radiator-Auto-RGB-Customizable/dp/B09Y1LVCYH/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=DQKLD2ZT2A2&keywords=LS720&qid=1666336276&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjAwIiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=electronics&sprefix=ls720%2Celectronics%2C80&sr=1-1-spons&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0&th=1 I kinda like this one

[shrewd juniper]

It's a decent cooler

[slate ginkgo]

Anyone have any objections? Any complaints or problems with these? I don't mind dropping some dosh on good parts that ain't gonna go bad.

[strange flume]

It's stonks

[rotund sable]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354042518760?

These are from arctic's official account btw

They dont seem to have a 360 argb b-stock one atm, so if you wanted to you could wait for that

I'd expect it to be around $85

• shipping

[shrewd juniper]

Arctic is a bit better as far as we know but i guess whichever you prefer aesthetically

But arctic good bit cheaper

[knotty sparrow]

Offset mount is confirmed still good on 7000 last I heard so yes arctic is nice

There's even an offset mount for sale from thermal grizzly iirc

[strange flume]

or do LS720 plus derbaurer offset kit

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah that was the thermal grizzly kit. That's der8auer's company.

[strange flume]

ah, it doesn't say thermal grizzly on the box so I thought

[knotty sparrow]

It comes with TG paste lol

[strange flume]

[strange flume]

I wouldn't remember that after years

[slate ginkgo]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08WRWNNZ9/ref=emc_b_5_t So will this do the job?

[strange flume]

yes

that price is fine too

[slate ginkgo]

That's what I was looking at

[strange flume]

since b stock is out of 360's

[slate ginkgo]

What's the difference between the A-RGB and just RGB models?

[strange flume]

like perf wise it won't be really much different to the 280 b stock one but yeah still a good choice

[strange flume]

single colour vs. many colours

both should be programmable iirc

[knotty sparrow]

3 pin argb vs 4 pin standard rgb

[slate ginkgo]

Which is which?

A rgb is multi?

[strange flume]

ye

[knotty sparrow]

Yes

[slate ginkgo]

I gotcha

Thanks for the help guys, its been muchly appreciated

[strange flume]

all good

[slate ginkgo]

So with this, a Ryzen 9, a 3080 OC; will I be alright with a 1000w psu?

[strange flume]

yeah

which 1000W?

[slate ginkgo]

Wrong link

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-series-rog-strix-1000g-1000w/p/N82E16817320014?Item=N82E16817320014

[strange flume]

yeah you're fine

[slate ginkgo]

Awesome

[strange flume]

more than fine tbh

[knotty sparrow]

You'd be fine even with a 4090 and 13900k

[slate ginkgo]

That's why I got it

Had to replace my 850 a few months back cause it was getting old and noisy and figured I'd bump up in power

[knotty sparrow]

Never hurts to do so. Tbh power supplies are most efficient between 60 and 80% load depending on model.

[slate ginkgo]

Well, when I get home tonight I'm gonna put my old cooler on this new one just to get it booted up and make sure I didn't harm any componets before my Newegg warranty goes out on me.

[strange flume]

psu is really the most important part so yeah that's not a bad choice

costs an arm and a leg tho

[slate ginkgo]

Power is everything in the pc, so I didn't want to scrape by with a cheep psu.

Once I get everything put together I'll post pics since you guys helped me so much

Now I'm going to have to get liquid cooling for my GPU :I

[knotty sparrow]

Not necessarily

[slate ginkgo]

I know, I don't even game that intensely. I was on a 4k tv just because of ease. Now I got a little 2k monitor now.

I've had a question for a while now, does a GPU have to work harder on a 55inch screen vs a smaller size? Like if you had a 55in vs a 21 inch.

[strange flume]

no, only if it runs higher resolution/colour/framerate or a combination of those 3 higher

[slate ginkgo]

That's what I thought, I was just curious lol

[strange flume]

all good

[zinc swift]

#cases-psu-and-cooling message

I should move that to cooling thread

the arctic liquid cooler 120l is thicker radiator for better cooling

The default settings before an os is installed just crashes a pc. So many buttons Asus had holes drilled backward in another motherboard for a noctua nhd15s chromax black kinda cool lookin. However linus has had a arctic 120L cooling a R9 5900x that processor has power saving feature built into it with the 12 cores unlike the 16 one

[crude nacelle]

Hello, so I have this product: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813128672?Item=N82E16813128672

I went to replace the thermal paste, and am having trouble replacing the heatsink/fan because it's very awkward. Are there any better designs for this motherboard?

I currently have this: https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Direct-Contact/dp/B005O65JXI?qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjI3IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D

[low pumice]

Are you looking for new thermal paste or a new cooler?

[crude nacelle]

I am honestly having issues with the design. It's hard to access the screws. And I Find that I have to slide the device back and forth to access the screws. Not sure if I'm doing that right. And I'm sure that it's probably not best to move the device around because it messes with the thermal paste?.....

I am using mx-4 paste.

[low pumice]

I'm a little confused about what you're having trouble with, do you have to take the motherboard out to uninstall the cooler?

Movement also shouldn't mess with thermal paste

[crude nacelle]

I'll probably have to take it out and uninstall the cooler.

[steel bay]

How to decide what cooler 2 use 4 ur cpu?

[knotty sparrow]

That is primarily decided by the power draw and heat dissipation characteristics of the cpu under normal load.
Hotter CPUs need better coolers.

[steel bay]

im getting a ryzen 5 5600x cpu what is the best cooler to use under 100 usd

[strange flume]

the stock one tbh

it's in the box

[steel bay]

why dont i need a cpu cooler

[strange flume]

cos the one AMD gives you is generally fine unless you want a quieter system

[steel bay]

or its it because the cpu only gives off 65w?

[strange flume]

both

it's fine cos it's a 65w chip

[steel bay]

its not exactly the heavier wattage cpus right or hottest

[strange flume]

and better will likely give you maybe a tiny bit of oc headroom or quieter system but not much else

one sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zr8bt6/id-cooling-se-214-xt-argb-682-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-214-xt-argb

this is fine for a 5600X, should be plenty for anything you want to do with it

but I think you'd be fine with stock

[steel bay]

thx

[knotty sparrow]

I'd do the 5600 instead of the 5600X, cheaper for the same thing basically

[strange flume]

this if you haven't already bought the motherboard yet, we can help with that

[steel bay]

i will wait for certain parts to go on sale like gpu and etc

[noble quarry]

[steel bay]

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO V2 CPU Cooling System good?

[sacred wren]

No

[strange flume]

do you already have it?

if not then absolutely no in a million years

[steel bay]

shipping build except cooler rn

[uneven solstice]

No u. It works great on a 10105f

[steel bay]

about to buy

noctua nh-u12?

[strange flume]

noooooo

[uneven solstice]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zr8bt6/id-cooling-se-214-xt-argb-682-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-214-xt-argb

[strange flume]

try Deepcool gammax or id cooling se-214 XT

[uneven solstice]

[uneven solstice]

At least I provided a link.

[strange flume]

which cpu is this for @steel bay

[strange flume]

you got my back homie

[sacred wren]

^

[uneven solstice]

Yeah, I do.

[sacred wren]

For a 5600, 214xt is good

For 5700x, I'd get the peerless assassin 120 se

[strange flume]

or Peerless Assassin non SE

[sacred wren]

For am4, se doesn't have the issue it has on lga1700

[strange flume]

still worth mentioning if they can't find the SE specifically

[uneven solstice]

Whats the issue?

[sacred wren]

Bad contact

[steel bay]

i guess i get the 214xt

[sacred wren]

What cpu are you going to get

[steel bay]

5600

[sacred wren]

That works then

[steel bay]

plus my case has 3 120mm fans

[sacred wren]

What's the case

[uneven solstice]

MOAR FANS!

[strange flume]

hell the stock cooler works in a pinch on the 5600 if you really needed to save a buck

[sacred wren]

Mm

[steel bay]

gamemax aero black steel?

[uneven solstice]

He got 1400 budget. 20 bucks ain't nothing

[strange flume]

you never know, I for one would use a stock cooler in this scenario if it meant better gpu or maybe even ssd

[uneven solstice]

Which reminds me.. got mobo in today. Cpu supposed to be here Wednesday:)

[steel bay]

nice

[uneven solstice]

I.. started out with a 1400 budget when gpu prices were insane. I still got the Arctic 360 lol

[strange flume]

wondering if I should switch to z790 apex while we're on this topic

looking like such a goat

[steel bay]

getting 6800xt and have a m2.nvme ssd 1 tb pci 4.0x4

[strange flume]

pcie 4? which one

[uneven solstice]

Save the $ and get a gen 3 nvme

Gen 4 useless for gaming

[steel bay]

crucial

[sacred wren]

P5?

[strange flume]

crucial p5 plus?

don't buy that

[steel bay]

p3

[strange flume]

not for a gaming build

[sacred wren]

S70 should be cheaper and better, or just get mp33 as you won't really see a diff for gaming

[uneven solstice]

Mp34 for gaming id recommend.

[strange flume]

I would just go mp33 or silicon power A60/P34A60

[uneven solstice]

Bleh

[strange flume]

save a buck, you won't know the difference

I can't tell the difference between SN850 and Crucial BX500

legit

unless I'm doing something that actually leverages it

[steel bay]

it will only cost me 84

[sacred wren]

I cant tell the difference between my very low end sata ssd and a 660p

[uneven solstice]

I can tell the difference between my hynix gold and my mp34

[strange flume]

mp33 is like 57 for 1TB

all these little savings could change your 6800XT into a 6900XT

and that is actually an improvement

[steel bay]

is team group any good never heard of them

[strange flume]

ye

they're pretty big in the space

we recommend the mp33/34/33 pro a lot as you get very good value for money

in a lot of cases it can be better than a sata ssd for value

[steel bay]

6900xt like 3080ti?

[strange flume]

rasterisation-wise about the same yes

if not a little more

depends on the 6900XT you pick really but a good range of them are good buys

[steel bay]

asrock 6900xt phantom

[strange flume]

is very good

this one yeah?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CLWBD3/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-16-gb-phantom-gaming-d-oc-video-card-rx6900xt-pgd-16go

[steel bay]

now with 6900xt its a little over 1300 nice

later guys need 2 go 2 work rn

[strange flume]

np

[uneven solstice]

Nice. Good work guys

[strange flume]

thanks captain

[uneven solstice]

#wedontneednomodtechieshereanymore

[strange flume]

WE DON'T NEED NO

EDUCATIONNNN

[sacred wren]

Sounding real southern rn

[strange flume]

[sacred wren]

I mean what

[uneven solstice]

Which v? Pink floyd or korn?

[strange flume]

pink floyd obv

[uneven solstice]

Yeah.. I like Korns v a little more though

Thats probably because that's the one I grew up with before finding out it was Pink Floyd's

[steel bay]

So basically difference between pci 3 and 4 is the read write speed and load times

[strange flume]

load times for games is basically nill

[uneven solstice]

What Felix said

[strange flume]

LMAO

[uneven solstice]

Hehe

[strange flume]

windows 10 has a limited iops performance, so in simple terms it can't load any faster for games beyond a certain point

direct storage goes beyond this, but even then the differences are minimal with the sizes of games rn

so really, for a pure gaming build, you truly won't notice a difference, the OS kneecaps it

[uneven solstice]

I think FF14 could use direct storage.. benefit greatly*

[strange flume]

ye some games will get a decent boost, but a good 90% won't really be any different

example CP2077 would like it

but games like any racing game, doom, GTA won't

[uneven solstice]

It's crazy though because I can tell that my hardware is much newer than most the people I play with by how long it takes them to Teleport into a place after I've already been there 5+ seconds

I've only seen maybe 2 people loaded in before me.

And this is when we all teleporr at the same time lol

[strange flume]

oh yeah fr

I still see that with some games where people are doing like, xbox crossplay lolol

[uneven solstice]

Yeqh like apex ha

[strange flume]

anyway off to dinner

[uneven solstice]

What you eating? I want some. Eat a whole meal for me too please.

Stuff yourself. Become obese like the americans.

[uneven solstice]

You got this stuck in my head now.

[strange flume]

Lol

[sacred pagoda]

It hurts me when people put their laptop on top of their soft neoprene laptop case/cover

Like you're suffocating the poor thing

[noble quarry]

thats why i dont see other people

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[twin ivy]

Macbook owners

[strange flume]

lol

[rotund sable]

Literally

And it always looks so ugly too

[twin ivy]

AND THE KEYBOARD COVERS BRO

I dont get it

[rotund sable]

Yea.. 💀 💀 💀

@twin geyser

Nasty MacBook cover user

SMH my head

[twin ivy]

Ewww

[twin ivy]

Why do people say smh and then say my head again

SMH stands for shaking my head theres no point in saying my head again

[rotund sable]

Because it's funny

lol

[strange flume]

smh your head

[twin geyser]

😭

[marsh badge]

keyboard covers

gotta love melting rubber and making it all icky sticky

[thin peak]

Can I have an in depth detail explanation on how aquarium PC builds works ? I'm wondering how the cooling maintains the temperature, if I were to get started how would I do so ? I am interested in learning about it, if anyone can explain.

[slate ginkgo]

When I'm mounting my AIO vertically, does it matter if they hose leads are on top or on bottom? The manual said I could mount either way. I've got my fans mounted on the outside, blowing air in across the radiator as well.

[uneven solstice]

As long as the top of the radiator is at the highest point of the loop (this means higher than your pump block) then whether the hoses are on top or bottom don't matter. If you can, however, I'd suggest running the hoses from the bottom as it leaves verry little chance for air to travel from the top of the loop all the way down to the hoses and then to the pump.

[slate ginkgo]

Yeah, the hoses are higher than the pump. It might take a little work to get it the other way around but I might. Is there any bad reason for air to travel though it? Or is it just a noise issue? I know the book said you might have some gurgling or something if mounted this way.

[strange flume]

just less healthy for a pump

[uneven solstice]

got a pic?

[strange flume]

pumps are designed to run submerged

[slate ginkgo]

I don't have pic atm, I was too tired after putting it together last night

[strange flume]

so if enough air gets stuck in the pump it can lead to failure over time

[uneven solstice]

when you say hoses are higher.. you mean that where they connect to the rad is higher? If so then good. In the future just say the top of the rad is higher as that's higher than where the hoses connect which is even better. Now if the middle of the hoses are higher than the pump AND the rad then you have a problem.

[slate ginkgo]

Yeah, the connection point to the radiator is higher.

and everything runs down, there is a little bit of a twist in the line where it kinda hooks in towards the processor where its mounted.

When I get off work I'm going to try and see if I can flip it around

[slate ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361709002364813313/1035921973705973810/IMG_20221029_092300.jpg Please don't dog on my cabling. I just wanted to get everything hooked up and make sure it was working before I make it neat. Plus I need some RGB header cable extensions.

and I don't think my coolant hose is long enough for it to invert it the other way

At least enough to get it around my gpu

[uneven solstice]

er no. The middle of the hose is definitely the highest part of the loop. Not good. You don't want this. unhook those hoses from the rad and let them hang around in the middle of your case. Then you'll be golden

@slate ginkgo Having it hang out is ok.

All the air in your loop is getting stuck there at the top where your hoses are attached to your top fans. That'll be more likely to introduce air into your pump than the air being stuck at the top of the rad with the top of the rad being the highest point.

[slate ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361709002364813313/1035952357718106122/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_ae44d0a6-fb75-49e1-b9fb-c5f9051cae04.jpg

I'll try some moving around tomorrow, take my gpu probably and see if there is any way to flip it

[uneven solstice]

you have a small case so you probably won't be able to have them coming up from the bottom. The way you have it in the pic you just sent is perfect.

[slate ginkgo]

Whelp, running max settings in Destiny 2 and I'm staying at about 66C.

[uneven solstice]

nice. What GPU are you using?

[slate ginkgo]

3080 OC

[uneven solstice]

It should be fine, but might I suggest using another dedicated pcie cable instead of pigtail?

That way it evens the power draw between 2 cables instead of drawing all its power from the one cable.

[slate ginkgo]

It does have two cables that go right to psu

Oh wait, nvm

[uneven solstice]

🙂

[twin ivy]

should i just leave my aio pump at 100
cause default it sets to 75
at like 2500rpm

100percent is 3150rpm

[shrewd juniper]

Ye 100

[twin ivy]

ok thx

[shrewd juniper]

You could curve if you want but idk how you would want that curve to look

[twin ivy]

yea its fairly quiet at 100

ill just leave it

[shrewd juniper]

I'd consider it more for lifespan purposes

[safe flicker]

Need an opinion.
AIO or just straight fans, which is quieter or more more efficient when cooling.

Also does anyone know some cases with good airflow that they can suggest?

Please @ me if you got something, not here often.

[knotty sparrow]

AIO or air cooling depends on the CPU and case you use.
4000D Airflow, P400A (and digital for RGB), G360A, Lancool 215, are all common midrange airflow focused cases. There's better ones that cost more like the Torrent (and mini), 5000D/7000D Airflow, and O11 Dynamic series.

[dire crest]

What's better for a radiator, push or pull

[low pumice]

Practically the same

[shrewd juniper]

Depends on the placement in the case

[shrewd juniper]

That's not a radiator but yes that's the correct orientation

[noble quarry]

well it radiates heat, but yeah strictly speaking that's not a radiator but a tower cooler

[shrewd juniper]

Heatsink would be the correct terminology but ye

[noble quarry]

true, tower cooler is the complete configuration 😛 the metal part only its a heatsink indeed

weird wednesday isn't it?

[dire crest]

Ah ok

[dire crest]

can someone help me with fan speed tuning

[marsh badge]

you basically tune it to how you like

want less temps? more loud

and so on

[strange flume]

Yeah fan speed tuning is definitely individual preference

[marble gorge]

my friend is building his gaming computer and he forgot to take the cpu cooler sticker off of the end before putting it on his cpu and installed it, he purchased a MSI MAG Coreliquid 360R and he's mentioning a clamp that's keeping it stuck on his mobo, how would he take off the clamp safely to remove the sticker from his cpu cooler

[steel bay]

have a pa120se for 5600 and 6800xt. case has 3 120mm front fans. 1 120mm back fan and 1 120mm fan between gpu and psu do i need any more i could add 3 120mm case fans and another 120mm fan between psu and gpu. i have a df700 flux case.

[sacred wren]

You don't need more, if you want more you can add more

[steel bay]

thx

[hexed tundra]

Hey I’m new to building PC’s. I have a build that my buddy mostly built and then I finished it up but I don’t know entirely how cooling works. Do all fans have to blow inward? I guess that would make sense for the sake of cooling but I can’t remember if any of my fans blow the hot air out

[shrewd juniper]

no you dont actually want that because the air would just be very turbulent, what you want to do is direct it all in one direction so at the front of the case you will want air coming in then at the top and back you will want it exhausting

[knotty sparrow]

Bottom/front intake, top/rear exhaust is the way to go in 95% of cases

[hexed tundra]

Thank you guys so much! I did notice I have one fan on the back exhausting it out and the only other fan I have is the cpu cooling fan. I didn’t realize either than my motherboard only has two fan connections so I may not be able to add any more anyway lol

[knotty sparrow]

You can use splitters to run multiple fans on one header. Check the amperage rating of the fans, the max for a header is 1A so the fans need to add up to less than that

[hexed tundra]

Thank you!

[shrewd juniper]

Actually it depends on the motherboard, my b450 ds3h has 2a headers

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah but the standard is 1A so better to be safe

[topaz blaze]

Does more fans = more cooling?

I have all places where a fan can go occupied but is that really necessary?

I feel like at some point there I reached diminishing returns

[shrewd juniper]

It depends

[topaz blaze]

How so

[strange flume]

As you know diminishing returns yea? Well ideal airflow doesn't necessarily need every hole pushing air or pulling air through

What you introduce with that is turbulence (like what a plane flies through yeah?)

It's wild and poorly guided air that disrupts a smooth flow

And it's really simple as that, you want the most ideal flow through a case without turbulence

[tender shale]

does anyone know where i can get an EK AIO 240mm Basic?

seems to be sold out everywhere

i guess i just have to wait or something

cuz looking at the rgb version, the basic version seems way better for my wallet

[twin ivy]

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-aio-basic-240

theres also the ls520

and the artic liquid freezer 240mm

@tender shale

[tender shale]

yea i saw the official ek site too, but it looks like the shipping fee makes it the same price as the rgb version

[twin ivy]

hmmmm

may i ask why ek?

[tender shale]

oh sorry, forgot to mention. rn building sff pc

[twin ivy]

mhhmm

[tender shale]

ek has good thermals and smaller

[twin ivy]

ahh ok

fair enough

[tender shale]

the artic liquid freezer and ls520 are like 3mm to tall on the cooler

[twin ivy]

oh damn

[tender shale]

i could probably do some squishing but not risking it

[twin ivy]

time to take out the grinder

[viscid vapor]

This fan is awesome for my Z690!!! Can overclock, and no bulky pipes to get in my way for best I9 performance!!!

https://www.newegg.com/tronwire-tw-12/p/13C-009Y-00004?item=9SIAGTU9ME7417

Strange, either the link messed up, or there discord has a BS detector, which would explain why I never see any politics discord servers.

[viscid vapor]

Anyways, all kidding aside, I'm cleaning a I7 Z390 mishap. I was removing the above fan, which the cheap metal clip that grips the mount, broke. I'm replacing it with a proper cooler. Anyways, I cut the clips so I could remove the fan, which slipped, causing three year old thermal paste to slide off the top, onto side of CPU. Got all of it off, with my tools, but notice where the CPU cover touches the PCB, a little bit looks to seeped under. Are these CPU covers glued on? Seen people post images with them off in the past.

[viscid vapor]

I'm cleaning up the older Z390 systems to donate and sell. Despite all the filters, cat hairs still get in lol. Ones I'm keeping, at least one for a NAS system. Fal and Ravell gave me that Idea a few weeks ago. I clean the old thermal paste and reseat all CPUs at least once a year, and that horrible fan above, was an easy install a few years back, but a pain to remove after. I don't like them as they tend to get too close or even touch the ram sticks when the heat sinks get hot enough, and it's just a grounding accident waiting to happen. Been wanting to remove this last one, which was from my previous server, because the RGB which was controllable through the MB, died 3 months after install. Worse, I purchased 10 of these when I was building 6 for work, and 4 for home, and out of the 10, only 3 came with ability to control RGB. The other 7 just flashed rainbow colors 24/7 with no option to shut it off, and drove my wife nuts at night.

Another thing which I just found out when I removed mine, it came with thermal paste on it already, and sort of baked on parts of the CPU, and doesn't come off easily I might add.

[shrewd juniper]

Just no

Your 12900k is throttling so freaking hard

[noble quarry]

a tiny disco bowl to cool a 12900k... oh man

[strange flume]

||worse than alienware moment||

[shrewd juniper]

I thought you said you had an id cooling se 214xt on it before? Why would you downgrade?

[magic sparrow]

Removing the IHS is known as delidding. Typically done to replace the internal TIM or cool the CPU via direct die cooling.
You shouldnt have to worry about the thermal paste as it shouldnt be electrically conductive, unless you used liquid metal or something.
Also for the most part there usually shouldnt be a full gap between the CPU PCB and the IHS, so it's very unlikely for the thermal paste to go completely under the IHS.

[viscid vapor]

Your confusing my Z690 Aorus Master I built in September. Remember I was building with mostly RGB components, and I was having issues getting the mounting kit to fit that fan to the LGA1700 socket? The Z390 model has been using the tronwire cooler. Had I known this discord existed a few years back when I built these, I would have most likely asked here before buying all the components. When I built those systems, the Z390's, it had been a few years. The ones I built before was when the first I7 CPUs were released. So the Z390 was when I moved away from ASUS motherboards finally. As for the Tronwire CPU cooler, I was being sarcastic and just joking about moving it to my Z690 CPU. Oh, when I went to remove the Tronwire from older system, I was given a reminder why I definitely can't go with water coolers due to vibrations. Two of the four posts that held the mounting kit to mothetherboard were broken. The clear posts at some point broke at the base. Only two diagonally kept the heat sink in place.

The Z390 was when I was just learning what M2 NVME drives were. The 1tb Rockets were at $499 when I did that build.

Anyways, I'm still researching a better cooler for my new Z690 that can handle a bit more abuse over here. Never seen a post break, let alone two.

[shrewd juniper]

Still that cooler on any i9 is gonna cause it to throttle

[viscid vapor]

The z390 is an I7. The Z690 has I9. I while cleaning off the CPU latch this morning of some thermal paste, almost damaged the socket pins. Something I have never once done. I use special alcohol wipes, similar to what doctors use to clean off boards I get that have tar from smokers. Didn't realize it got cold enough for the heat to go on, and was working near one of the heat returns, so alcohol wipe, blew into the socket, which I discovered acts like Velcro. Had to use my electronic microscope and tweezers to safely remove the material, and threads that got left behind, then blew the socket out with my air compressor.

[shrewd juniper]

Still a 9700k would struggle hard

[viscid vapor]

My Z690, is the first I9 system I ever built. When the Intel (I) CPUs were first introduced years ago, the I7 was better rated for my game build than the I9, or at least that's what the Intel rep at my store had told us. We got our CPUs before the public did through their training program. Any staffer at BestBuy who took and passed all their tests, could buy up to two CPU at $50 each, once a year.

Pato, I can guarantee it did more than struggle. That system was running off the GameMax 1050w.

[shrewd juniper]

Lmao

Also that's a sweet program

[viscid vapor]

Don't know what the prices are now, but if you work for a computer seller, like Newegg, they still have that training program. You should ask.

My guess, an I9 through the training program would most likely be $125 to $150.

The tests Intel give, that you must pass, is to know each of their CPUs, what to sell to a customer, company history, installation safety, and a few other multiple choice you take online.

Microsoft has similar programs, like office 365 for $14.

[shrewd juniper]

Ohh interesting

[viscid vapor]

Oh, one basic rule all these companies have, your not allowed to resell any employee purchases. You can give to direct family, but get caught selling, like on eBay, and get banned for life. BestBuy fires staff who get caught selling employee purchases.

If you want, I can see if I can get updated info and DM it to you later.

It's not info I can put in the main.

[shrewd juniper]

Nah worries i don't even live in NA so

[viscid vapor]

Just saw they actually sell LGA 1151 sockets. Was curious after I almost killed mine. I'm very experienced at soldering, but know just by looking at the pins and spacing, and my very poor eyesight, would have zero chance of being able to remove and replace one.

Heck.... Surface mounts got so small, I doubt I could even do a diode.

I used to charge $75 to $100 for repairing people's PS2s who failed at trying to mod them.

First time I ever saw surface mounts, my brother dropped his Sony Watchman portable black and white TV and could hear the parts inside that broke off. Went to open it up, expecting to see either cracked PCB or chip that could have fallen out of socket, and instead of seeing normal resisters, diods, and crystals, saw surface mounts for first time, and no way able to fix, as I had a normal soldering iron, not micro fine point that was needed back then for repairs.

[twin ivy]

Ohhh nahhhh💀💀

[twin ivy]

@tender shale check deals

they have ek aio on sale

on danm its 280 would that fit?

[tender shale]

Yea I saw and I copped

[twin ivy]

sweet

[tender shale]

There was just the drgb tho but better than nothing

[twin ivy]

still a nice aio

[tender shale]

It looks like EK discontinued the 240 basic as a whole so that's why I couldn't find it

[twin ivy]

oh 💀 well that would explain all the searching

[shrewd juniper]

Haven't heard anything about that, it was probably just out of stock

[tender shale]

Well the EK subreddit said so so idk

[shrewd juniper]

Oh

Weird i see yeah there's no longer listings on pcpp

It's on ek's site still
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-aio-basic-240

[knotty sparrow]

MX5 is officially discontinued and it's still on their website

[shrewd juniper]

Yep cuz mx6 is out now apparently they had some consistency issues with it

[knotty sparrow]

They had to recall some batches of MX5 yeah, it got too watery

Guess they decided to kill it entirely and only keep making MX4 (which is nearly as good anyway) and the newer MX6

[strange flume]

I've heard good of MX6, but not enough yet to recommend

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah they took out expensive stuff like diamond dust while still improving thermals supposedly

So it should be another great value pick

[strange flume]

I might order some, depends how attached I feel to NT-H2

Btw @knotty sparrow I'm soon to try alphacool subzero, I mounted it to the 13900KF

[knotty sparrow]

Ooh fun

NT H2 is still fantastic though

[strange flume]

It is, I ran out so I pulled out the subzero

[knotty sparrow]

I'd go TG kryonaut extreme for subzero tho

[strange flume]

Nah not going sub ambient

I found extra kryo extreme too while I was looking

That syringe old af

[knotty sparrow]

It lasts years

[strange flume]

Oh yeah but I can't remember when I last bought it

So it's probably been years

[knotty sparrow]

Regular kryo is better for ambient cooling, extreme is specifically meant for subzero

So not much reason to use it anyway

[strange flume]

Ya

Well when I bought it I didn't really understand that

[knotty sparrow]

Right, you're not alone there lol

"It says extreme it must be better"

[strange flume]

"EXTREME?! BETTER??"

Should've just got kpx smh

[magic sparrow]

Honestly hate when sites remove product sites for discontinued products. I've seen it sometimes.

[shrewd juniper]

I think fal meant to purchase?

[sacred wren]

So doing my build and using an aio this time

Putting two fans at the top

Should those be intakes and exhausts?

[shrewd juniper]

exhaust with the front intake, or actually i prefer leaving top front fan slot empty

[noble quarry]

there you have it ol' friend

[shrewd juniper]

I actually prefer that but without the top right fan assuming air cooler tbh prevents cold untouched air being exhausted and less turbulent

[noble quarry]

at the end it all boils down to the convection flow

hot air will always find a way to go up

that top fan just help with that

the faster the hot air will go away the better for the thermals

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah but if there is no aio in the system there will be no hot air at that point really

[noble quarry]

since like we found common ground ma friend

[shrewd juniper]

Also saves money on extra fan

[noble quarry]

but but.... the rgb!

[shrewd juniper]

Just run like 5 lines of led strip instead

[strange flume]

Wait

[strange flume]

How fan through psu?

[noble quarry]

weird ik, but cool af

there are some weird users who strap fans to that part even with no airflow to speak of xD

rgb tho

[proper cradle]

RGB gives airflow duh

Physics don't exist

[magic sparrow]

Airflow by passive convection is so weak. You could overpower it by using lemons to power the most garbage chinesium fan that has been smashed by a sledge hammer 7.31513 times with 27 kN of force each time while being 21,412,643 cresent moons away.

[strange flume]

Erp, I guess we're performing rituals now for airflow

[harsh crow]

I ma casually use this as a quote next time tyvm.

[rotund sable]

yea i blow on my PC parts

i got some amazing lung strength

great cooling

[topaz blaze]

do you need the top and bottom or is it just extra if youve got a really expensive pc

[shrewd juniper]

Bottom is pretty rare to be a mount, and no you can get away just fine with 2 intake at front and one at the back for decent and ofc you can use less technically you don't need case fans but I'd at least recommend 2 intake if possible or 1 in one out

[sacred wren]

The fans on the CLC really are insanely loud

I knew they wouldn't be quiet but even at low speeds they're loud asf

How are the stock fans in the p360a? I'm thinking about putting them on the aio instead of the top of the case

And putting 2 of my p12s on the top

[sacred wren]

Oh wait they have to be pwm pst fans

[shrewd juniper]

Why not put the p12s on the aio and not use the clc fans?

[sacred wren]

Need 140mm fans

[shrewd juniper]

Ehh is there holes to mount 120's?

[sacred wren]

Nah

Would have to zip tie them on or smthn lol

[shrewd juniper]

Ah, do they really need to be pwm tho?

[sacred wren]

I just ordered some p14s white pwm pst

[shrewd juniper]

nice

[viscid vapor]

RGB or plain? If RGB, Corsair has a 140mm fan two pack that also comes with controller and is pwm.

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-co-9050100-ww-case-fan/p/N82E16835181188

[shrewd juniper]

Jesus that's overpriced

[twin ivy]

Omg please dont recommend ql140s

[twin ivy]

They alr said they got p14s

Superior fans 😌

[noble quarry]

plz no swearing.... dont say c*rsair on this discord, there are kids around

[twin ivy]

Whats up with the whole "c*orsair" thing lol.... who started it?

[knotty sparrow]

Looks like mushroom did

[noble quarry]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

so much vulgarity today

[strange flume]

Smh 18+ server

[proper cradle]

Corsair....you can't stop me

[shrewd juniper]

[noble quarry]

[proper cradle]

Bruh

[rotund sable]

Corsair

I own corsair products

They range from bad to great

[noble quarry]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[strange flume]

Hm like every brand then

[noble quarry]

to me they range from mediocre to expensive

[strange flume]

Like every brand then

[noble quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-come-at-bro-ese-rat-gif-16181220

[rotund sable]

Well, not every brand

[noble quarry]

well, you r right

[strange flume]

Ok

[noble quarry]

i overreacted

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[strange flume]

Dollar store brand isn't expensive

But that's one exception

[rotund sable]

Walmart great value 🤓

Imagine making sweeping generalizations

[strange flume]

Man, in a computer server no less

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-intensifies-gif-10591361

[shrewd juniper]

i got the 4000d airflow from amazon for like €75

[noble quarry]

arite thats one good product at least

still the lack of fans make it kinda expensive for what it is

my 5000x was pretty expensive as well, but my options here are quite limited

not a bad case ofc, but expensive

[shrewd juniper]

It has 2 fans and g360a was not an option, p360 and p400a weren't on Amazon or something

[noble quarry]

😦

[proven jolt]

will a kraken z53 fit in a h510 case?

[knotty sparrow]

It should but make sure it's the H510 flow at least or it'll overheat from lack of air

[cobalt imp]

Running the noctua U12S chromax black on my Ryzen 5800X…wanting to move to an AIO. Size/performance recommendations?

[knotty sparrow]

What case do you have?

[cobalt imp]

I have the Corsair 4000X rgb…also non OC’d but may down the road

[knotty sparrow]

I recommend doing undervolt+PBO curve optimizer for 5800X

Mine is cooler than it was at stock and hits 200MHz higher in boost

[cobalt imp]

Im a slight bit of a noob when it comes to OC…this is performed in Ryzen Master I assume?

[knotty sparrow]

Do you have a preference for RGB?

You could do it in RM but bios works better

[cobalt imp]

Sure I could look it up one YouTube…yeah I would prefer in BIOS as well.. and RGB would be nice on either fans, pump or both..I was looking at NZXT Kraken X53…just didn’t know how much rad I should have size wise

[knotty sparrow]

I'd go with a 280mm in that case

360mm technically fits but isn't really better and would be tight

This is one of the top models https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099RSPC2H

Another top pick https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K0BN4QQ

[cobalt imp]

Nice I like the look of the EK as well since I have GSkill trident z neo ram and the pump has a similar look…of course performance before looks. Heard good things about the arctic as well…and found this for the undervolt. https://youtu.be/VIZOFcdGp8s

[viscid vapor]

There a CPU liquid cooler that uses anything but water? I'm still looking for something better for my Z690, but if liquid cooler, something that if a line slips, it won't leak anything that is conductive.

[tough ridge]

Hi

[knotty sparrow]

The arctic liquid freezer II line is easily the best available for Ryzen 3000/5000 because it has the offset mounting bracket to center the cold plate over the hotspot

[knotty sparrow]

Most of them don't use water, they use an alcohol solution

[cobalt imp]

Oh that is good to know

[viscid vapor]

I9 CPU.

Lol, thought the Ryzen comment was for me oops.

[tough ridge]

Cooling

[odd wigeon]

Is there a benefit from adding fans to my 3 intake, 1 exhaust case fan setup? Would it make it more quiet due to lower rpm possibly?

[twin ivy]

Quieter ehh depends on the fan but your temps might be a lil better since your getting the hot air out a lil faster

[noble quarry]

3 in and 3 out, perfect balance

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[odd wigeon]

shouldn't there be slight positive pressure? from what I've heard at last

I could do 3 in, 3 out, 6 is the max my case can fit

[odd wigeon]

that'd also be good, I suppose

[twin ivy]

Yea what fans do u have for intake

Cause if there stock fans depending on the case u might wanna replace those

And use them for exaust

[odd wigeon]

it is stock fans. phanteks stock

[twin ivy]

Oh there not bad

If u dont care for rgb get p12s

Theres nice and silent

[odd wigeon]

I do care though tbh

[twin ivy]

Hmm

Deepcool aren't bad

I dont know much about rgb fans

[odd wigeon]

okay

[noble quarry]

there are p12s rgb version as well

[twin ivy]

Oh there are

Sweet

[knotty sparrow]

You can always run the intake a little faster than the exhaust

[viscid vapor]

Looking up CPU coolers to see if Newegg has any black Friday sales, and search is only bringing up those cheap $30 pipe ones.

Either Newegg has a lot of heavy traffic today, or their getting hit by DOS. Can't even log in without getting an error.

[knotty sparrow]

Loads fine for me

Which doesn't rule out DDoS

[viscid vapor]

Tried both via phone and my Z690, and same results.

Tracert timed out.

It's not Newegg, it's timing out at At&T

If I can find my VPN password, I can bypass it

[knotty sparrow]

Ah your ISP is getting flooded then possibly

[viscid vapor]

I was on Amazon earlier, and saw they had a good deal on 2tb NVME. Other items it looks like they raised the price to make it look like a good deal. Hence why I'm trying Neweggs site and failing lol. I want to get a few Steam Decks, but not until I verify I can get the proper NVME. 512gb Steam adds $400 to price. I rather get the 64gb and just install the NVME. What I don't understand is why it can't go above 512gb, yet you can attach a 16tb USB drive. If I were to go with external, Id get 2tb NVME and a case to make it an external drive. The SATA and SSDs are too slow for my taste.

[knotty sparrow]

Be careful about doing that, one of the Deck models had soldered storage

And games load perfectly fine off a reasonably fast SD card (A1 rated or better)

[noble quarry]

ak620... just saying

[viscid vapor]

Ak620? Sorry, was on phone with bank. Someone attempted a 5k purchase on a credit card I haven't even gotten yet, and it triggered a flag because purchases I made today using other cards were all in CA, yet this one is in Brazil.

I opened five extra accounts last week at my branch for black Friday purchasing, no overdraft so already have cards for them, but sometimes the system generates a second set they mail.

If I buy at Target and sale is $700, I transfer $700 over. If any of those items sneak a rebill in, it will decline. Should I go back to Target and buy $300 more, I use another account. This way there are no additional funds for a price change to take.

[viscid vapor]

So would you say, getting the 64gb model would be a good idea, and use an external NVME instead of modifying the internal drive?

[knotty sparrow]

64GB model is eMMC so it's the same as phone storage. Not as fast as nvme like the other models. That 64GB model would need a dock and fast drive to upgrade or just use a decent SD like I said.

[wide kayak]

what would the next best AIO 360 because ARCTIC won't be shipped for another month

[strange flume]

LS720 is dope

EK basic 360 is also really good

Or lian li galahad if you haven't got lga1700

LS720 also has variants

LE720, LC720, LT720 iirc

[wide kayak]

I'll take a look

@strange flume would they all fit in a 4000D airflow?

[strange flume]

Should do

Better than an arctic one would lol

[wide kayak]

👍

[strange flume]

Just be wary, arctic's b stock stuff is very good value

These other suggestions you get something just as good but you'll pay full price instead of half or less

[wide kayak]

I am prob gonna get an EK basic 360

not gonna have rgb in my computer

[strange flume]

Fair enough

[chrome cape]

is a 240mm aio big enough for a 13900k?

only gaming on it

no heavy workloads

[marsh badge]

if you're gaming 13600k is plenty

absolutely no need for an i9

and to answer your question, no, it won't really be able to keep the i9 cool

[chrome cape]

how about a 13700k?

[marsh badge]

same performance

[knotty sparrow]

That's pushing it still

[marsh badge]

^

[knotty sparrow]

280mm would be acceptable and they're really cheap right now

[sacred wren]

13700k is about 2% better than a 13600k for ganing

[sacred wren]

But a better purchase than 13900k

13600k would be fine with a good 240, but they're normally same price as 280s

[steel bay]

i just brought fs140 v3 black cooler is that enough to cool 5700x cpu?

[sacred wren]

Yes

[steel bay]

im only asking cause the 5600 for 118 wont ship to me from amazon til january and im not waiting that long

[steel bay]

so the 5600/5600x/5700x all have the same heat/power draw for the fs140 right?

[noble quarry]

they dont have the same heat/power draw, but the fs140 is enough/cover for any of those

[steel bay]

i thought they all draw 65w

[noble quarry]

yeah but they beha.... nevermind they all draw 65w

👍

[steel bay]

@noble quarry only reason im going with 5700x over 5600 with the 6800xt/6900xt is because the 5600 will arrive at my place in january and im not waiting that long. christmas at the latest 4 build

[noble quarry]

5700x is a great cpu

nice choice

[steel bay]

and might as well go 8 core though im only gaming

[sacred wren]

More goes into heat than tdp

The cpu will also consume more power than the 5600

[chrome cape]

Alright was looking at 4090s and was looking at the msi trio but seems to get a little hot?

What are normal temps for 4K gaming on a 4090? And when should I be concerned?

[strange flume]

Cooling is so overkill on the 4090 I wouldn't stress much over it

Gaming trio afaik is fine, I know someone who has one

If it ever posed a worry, a repaste could fix, or PL capping would definitely help

[chrome cape]

I mean I’ll have a good case with a lot of good airflow

Was just curious because I’ve done research and have seen that it’s one of the hotter 4090s

[steel bay]

@chrome cape do u have 4090

[chrome cape]

No I don’t but plan to get soon

[steel bay]

gl with the 4090 the 4080 sold out really fast

[chrome cape]

Yea ik I’ll be ready

[steel bay]

40 series r outside my budget 4 my build this december. 4090 probably cost more than my entire build for 4k gaming

[chrome cape]

Yea I just kinda want one cus how good they are

[steel bay]

yeah. but personally as long as a gpu could do 4k60 i really dont care since i play all my shooters on my series x

[sacred wren]

The 4080 is depressing

[strange flume]

4K60 is realistic on a 3080 12gb/6900XT

[sacred wren]

4090 is nice but compared to what 7900xtx is supposed to be it's pretty meh unless new dlss is implemented very eell

[sacred wren]

3060 ti/6700 probably could at low settings

[chrome cape]

Was talking more about the 4090

[strange flume]

7900 XTX would be a far better buy

If XTX launches well enough the 4090 will again make no sense like the 3090 didn't

Near 4090 perf for less than a 4080? And no 12vhpwr concerns? Sounds good to me lol

[steel bay]

6800xt could probably do 4k60 on normal or high settings as well

[sacred wren]

In most games likely high or ultra

[strange flume]

I rarely find myself suggesting a 6800XT tho, there's that 540 asrock one

[sacred wren]

6800xt>3080 in a good few scenarios

[strange flume]

But I normally opt for the cheap 6900XT unless the budget can't stretch

[sacred wren]

Eh

6900xt about 10% better than 6800xt

When it's normally $140 more

[steel bay]

is a great deal price to perf. 6800xt to 6900xt only a 10 to 20 percent increase for another 150 usd

[strange flume]

Still good price to perf

Especially since we're talking 4K you kinda want that

[steel bay]

true

[sacred wren]

Kinda cool that a 12100f 6800xt build for 4k is doable for under 1k

[steel bay]

im need to buy ram, cpu, storage tomorrow then gpu 6800xt in a few weeks hoping price drops with 7900xt/xtx release

[strange flume]

I'd consider used at this point

If you can't stretch to those two then at that point price/perf just gonna make more sense 2nd hand

[steel bay]

my personal preference is to buy tech brand new

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HxNMd9

Very pog

[strange flume]

Wait wha

Amd cards selling out

All the prices are jumping

[sacred wren]

Yeah I just noticed that

[strange flume]

Rip

[sacred wren]

I think they either sold out bc of black Friday or are about to launch new gen in a few days

[strange flume]

6800 is now your best bet at 500-ish if not used

[sacred wren]

I'd assume they stopped production a while back

[strange flume]

I could realistically picture a 500$ 6900 xt second hand

Ima go look

[sacred wren]

Ye

[strange flume]

Yeah 520-560-ish

That's a decent jump over 6800

[noble quarry]

the price is, the card is a beast

[strange flume]

Ravell

[noble quarry]

no

[strange flume]

I didn't say anything

[noble quarry]

i mean yes

[strange flume]

Ok
Sweet

[noble quarry]

🙂

[strange flume]

Hop to it

[noble quarry]

one step ahead

need ma pc rn!

[strange flume]

Indeed

Can't wait to see that 750TI vram modded

[viscid vapor]

https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835106683

gives the link a nudge so rest loads

[sacred wren]

I would stick to more trusted models like lf2, lian li galahad or EK aio

[viscid vapor]

I can see you didn't include Corsair in the above. That was the type I tried out when the first of I7 CPUs rolled out years back, and despite the fact they claimed the units were sealed, the ends to the radiators, kept coming off.

[sacred wren]

Corsair aios are incredibly mid

[strange flume]

Corsair is just terrible value

Lol what he said too

[sacred wren]

Their aios are more close in performance to smthn like the CLC lineup

Still worse iirc

[strange flume]

Worse than clc ye but better on lga1700

Nothing a contact frame doesn't fix

[strange flume]

Contact frame with these I'm pretty sure is better

[sacred wren]

Wait is contact with clc bad on lga 1700?

[viscid vapor]

MSI, Artic, Emermax, they all bad too?

[sacred wren]

Artic is good