#cases-psu-and-cooling

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charred pier
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also i've always wondered what these rgb things at the front are?

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can somebody tell me

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im still pretty new to computers

half gulch
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Front panel fans, to bring in air to cool down the components inside

charred pier
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ok

sand atlas
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Also the Meshify C and P500a to add to options

fierce pivot
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Yes the parts matter way more than the case mostly

half gulch
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I have the Fractual Design Meshify C and it's decent for dust mangement

charred pier
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i mean case

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whyd i type fan

fierce pivot
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? You mean what fan you use?

charred pier
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i meant case my fingers typed fan for some reason

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lmao

fierce pivot
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Not really it will fit everything apart from an e-atx case i think

charred pier
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mk

fierce pivot
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But they quite uncommon

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Autocorrect

mossy shuttle
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I just found out the Corsair have diff model like Txm,Rm. etc
Which one you think it’s the best?
And why? Thanks for replying

Ping me

sand atlas
chrome iris
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isnt HXi the best corsair unit?

opal night
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RMi/HXi/AXi

sand atlas
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Well there's the ones that are A tier with switchable rails, including the AXi, RMi, HX, HXi, and Vengeance

sand atlas
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Then there's the single rail A tiers including RMx, AX, RM, SF, TX-m

mossy shuttle
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Or TMx

sand atlas
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Long story short, a lot of models made it into the best of the best A tier

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I have the RM650x myself

chrome iris
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ive used RM and RMx both, RM750 on an RTX 3070 and RM850x on 3090, both holding up well

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also used TX650M on a 3070

mossy shuttle
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I don’t know why it’s expensive abit and why they have full modular and semi, what’s the diff and what it include?

zinc arch
fierce pivot
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^theres no point paying extra for fully modular over semi as they are the same basically with just the 24pin atx and cpu power connected which you will need anyway

mossy shuttle
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Oh

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So I’m gonna get Txm right?

signal birch
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does anyone know if the coolermaster rebates are legit?

sand atlas
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Yeah they're legit but like any rebate it can take time to get it, sometimes months

signal birch
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ok

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do you need the special credit card in order to get it?

signal birch
sand atlas
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They send you a prepaid debit card, you'll get it eventually just make sure to read everything carefully and give every bit of info they ask for so they don't have a reason to delay it.

signal birch
sand atlas
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No, it's just a prepaid Visa you can use anywhere

signal birch
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ok

civic thunder
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looking for some help trying to change tower size from full to mid but do not how to check the hard fit and transfer of components

opal night
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Biggest issue will be the number of hard drives, that's typically the limiting factor. If you have an ATX motherboard, it will fit in the Mid Tower case.

minor portalBOT
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tawny trail
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?

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using a h510 elite atm and the airflow is terrible wondering if anyone has this case and reccomends it

woven path
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nope, h510 is nice to look at but the airflow is super bad

fierce pivot
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There's a cooler master cube something that looks similar and it has better airflow i believe but h510 💩 airflow

left pagoda
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I bought the H510 Elite 2 weeks ago, I bought it for the looks

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my Ryzen 5 3600 gets like up to 70 degrees after 2 hours val or minecraft

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I have the stock cooler amd so no big suprise

wanton briar
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H510 has terrible airflow and the elite is overpriced

elfin trout
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@tawny trail I would say try something like a td500 mesh, lancool ii mesh, p400a, or p500a

fierce pivot
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Is the be quiet pure power 11 psu good? The 10 is a b tier on the list but the 11 isnt on there

signal birch
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is there a psu tier list w/ prices?

elfin trout
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with prices......?

opal night
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Prices change too often for that

elfin trout
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it's just too hard to get current prices

signal birch
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ok

elfin trout
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even with web crawlers

signal birch
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what is a 50-60$$$ 600-650w psu that is good?

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or at least acceptable

elfin trout
signal birch
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ok

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also bear in mind the case is actually 10 $ less from amazon

elfin trout
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bruh

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just go mx330-g air for 60$ at that point

signal birch
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nah

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the cooler master has rgb

fierce pivot
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RGB doesn't matter you want your psu facing down 95% of the time

fierce pivot
signal birch
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im talking about the case, not psu

fierce pivot
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Oh good

chrome iris
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Yeah, right next to pure power 10 on the tier list is 11 and it’s gold

fierce pivot
chrome iris
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How much you getting it for btw

zinc arch
fierce pivot
chrome iris
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105 dang

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Is there anything better in that price point

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I’d think you’d be able to get an A tier

fierce pivot
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Enermax revolution df is actually 112

zinc arch
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Ik higher wattage psu's are in short supply because of mining and stuff but idk what wattage you need

chrome iris
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Like AMP or AGF or revo DF

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Yeah get Revo DF over that

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Worth the extra imo

fierce pivot
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Okay

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Thanks

chrome iris
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I almost got a PP11 but got an AMP instead cause it was like $7 more only

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No problem

fierce pivot
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It's like 125 including shipping hmm ntb the 850w is 150 including shipping but don't think it's worth tbh

fierce pivot
chrome iris
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What’s you system specs

fierce pivot
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Rtx 3070 and a r5 3600

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Need to upgrade psu as I'm running on a evga w1 atm, ik not great but it was a good few years ago so

signal birch
zinc arch
fierce pivot
signal birch
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oh do they have stock there?

fierce pivot
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No i just got lucky

signal birch
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oh

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nice

fierce pivot
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Yeah just checked during class one day and it was there so lol

elfin trout
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I mean

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@fierce pivot for Europe, check bitfenix

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Whisper m and the other one are both great and a tier

fierce pivot
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Ohh well bought the revolution

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Thanks tho

elfin trout
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Those are usually good price, but revo d.f. also good

harsh hemlock
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my old 550 watt psu burnt out yesterday because it was cheap but i have a spare 500 watt will i be able to use the 500 watt as a temporary substitute. any advice is appreciated

opal night
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Depends on system components. What are they? CPU/GPu mainly

harsh hemlock
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i have a amd radeon hd 7970 but don't know the cpu and don't know there power requirements

sand atlas
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Kinda pushing it since the GPU required 250W

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You could probably get away with it short term but long term look at getting a good 650W

harsh hemlock
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oh ok

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i'm planning to use it until i find a better one

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thanks for your help

sand atlas
harsh hemlock
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ok thank you for your help. you were very helpful

zenith basalt
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whats the best aesthetic micro atx case?

snow spoke
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what kinda aesthetic you looking for?

alpine fox
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Best aesthetic case is the one you like, really. Just make sure that it doesn't have flaws you can't live with.

snow spoke
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like tbh, i like the lancool 205m, meshify c mini, the black dlm 21, and the mg130-g

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we can't really give you the "best" aesthetic case if we don't know what aesthetic you're aiming for

fierce pivot
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Some people might like the o11 mini as well

chrome iris
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MB311L anyone

snow spoke
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yes

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it went up in price tho smh

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others might also enjoy the q300L

empty token
noble leaf
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Yall fooled me or phanteks doesnt like me

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No plastic box :(

onyx prism
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wait thats cool

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but imma get this one case called

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um

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the

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um

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like

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darkflasj

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darkflash*

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like

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um

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like the dlx 21 mesh

elfin trout
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Rip maybe p400a doesn't have the box

noble leaf
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But this is nice lol

charred sleet
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guys i found a 850 w ppower supply with a 80+ gold rating for 136.99 on amazon

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Anyone want a link

fierce pivot
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Enermax 850w is 120$ and it's an a tier, no idea what one you have

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Tbh it really depends on the psu

elfin trout
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Revolution d.f. 850w for 120$ is the best psu for the price

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Literally, only thing above a revo d.f. is MAYBE AXi kinda thing

fierce pivot
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Corsair psus 💰

elfin trout
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Revo d.f. literally built on the same platform as RMx

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Except modifications

fierce pivot
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Waiting for mine to come to replace my evga w1 Chef_Kiss

woeful mauve
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@sand atlas TYVM, I went with the Seasonic FOCUS PX-850 I know thats like 100w more than you recomended, but with a price difference of only $20 I just couldn't tell myself no LoL

fierce pivot
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Will leave you plenty of room to upgrade in the future anyway

elfin trout
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eh, good nuff

modern arrow
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Do y'all recommend the Corsair 5000d case? Wanna upgrade from my old case

open quartz
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4000d airflow instead unless you actually need the 5000d case accommodates for

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but both are good cases

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the airflow one

modern arrow
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yeah the airflow one looks pretty good

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but its kinda pricey

signal birch
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is it normal for one cords of the 24pin cable not to be there?

modern arrow
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yes

fierce pivot
open quartz
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4000d airflow is about $80 ish unless youre in a different country

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not really that pricey considering whats out here especially considering youre looking at the 5000d which is up there near $150ish

modern arrow
open quartz
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its also a much bigger case

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no reason to get it unless you need that space

modern arrow
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or might just go with a different one

sand atlas
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Unless you're doing custom cooling or you have a massive gpu most people don't need the 5000d

modern arrow
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hmmm

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ok

fierce pivot
modern arrow
fierce pivot
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It's 200 on pc part picker

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Which model you looking for?

modern arrow
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nvm

elfin trout
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p500a

modern arrow
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imma go with the 4000d

fierce pivot
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Okay

elfin trout
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I say p500a

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:P

modern arrow
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cause its mid tower

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i dont need a big ass case

elfin trout
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...?

modern arrow
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huh

fierce pivot
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Then why you looking at 5000d

elfin trout
modern arrow
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i thought i would need a big tower but i changed my mind

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sorry im stupid

elfin trout
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slightly big but a lot of space and great airflow

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and very nice nice-to-haves

charred pier
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im gonna buy the 4000d airflow

modern arrow
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ok

modern arrow
elfin trout
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Vintage has one

modern arrow
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i'm just worried bout the airflow

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but looking at the reviews it looks good

opal night
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The P500A?

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Has fantastic airflow

modern arrow
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Yeah I can see

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Aight time to spend 180 bucks on a computer case

elfin trout
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The Phanteks P500A PC case is a high-airflow focused enclosure that follows-up the P400A previously. We're benchmarking it versus the other best cases for airflow right now.
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▶ Play video
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GN does great pretty in-depth reviews if you have time

modern arrow
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lol im watching it rn

sand atlas
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I like my meshify c 😎

elfin trout
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I don't like my focus g 😎

modern arrow
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130 msrp

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so canadian thats around

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169

elfin trout
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eh, close enough

modern arrow
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Hmmmm

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I see a lot of reviews regarding the fan noise

elfin trout
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fan noise..?

modern arrow
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Yeah...

elfin trout
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hm

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weird, shouldn't be an issue

sand atlas
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Stock fans are 🤢

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In general, I know there's exceptions

elfin trout
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Phanteks should be pretty good

modern arrow
modern arrow
elfin trout
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It is a quite loud at max speed, but it's quite good with lower rpm, which still has great performance

noble leaf
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just built in p400a tonight

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super easy

soft chasm
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My first build was in p400a and honestly it was a nightmare lol

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But I mean first build what can you expect

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

signal birch
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its in a mb511

rancid topaz
opal night
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IDK

rancid topaz
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o-oh ok dude. i was just wondering

opal night
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I really don't know

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Amazon still has a couple and B&H says more are on the way. Maybe Seasonic did an oopsie?

rancid topaz
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hope so. i really want that PSU

half gulch
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Is 1600w reasonable for a Gtx 1660, Ryzen 5 3600, B550 Aorus Elite Mobo ?

half gulch
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Reason: Overclocking R5-3600

open adder
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650 should be good

half gulch
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Ah, I was wondering how far you could Push the oc on the R5-3600

open adder
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The tdp is 65

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So even on oc and spikes i dont think it will reach 120

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Im using 10700k 3070 on a 750...

half gulch
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Oh no, Amazing the Core-i7-10700k is a killer cpu right there

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And thanks Waddles, guess i'll go for a 750w i'll wait for when they release the Lunar Lake Cpu

open adder
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👍

fierce pivot
zinc arch
fierce pivot
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No i use pbo on my 3600

zinc arch
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Oh I thought that was the difference between the x and non x what is the difference then?😂

fierce pivot
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Slightly binned, released bout a year later

tender root
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the 3600 and 3600X got released at the same time

tender root
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the majority of those differences disappear if you let PBO do its thing :)

fierce pivot
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But binned basically

tender root
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aye aye

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just normal product stack segmentation/division

fierce pivot
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Indeed

scenic lance
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yo what 850w psu should i get

opal night
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Enermax Revolution DF 850

elfin trout
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Revolution d.f. 850w for 120$ is an amazing deal

scenic lance
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i heard the cords have problems tho

opal night
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Uh, wat

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WDYM by problems

scenic lance
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ya people who recommend it they say the cords are stiff and some other stuff they said there difficult to put in

opal night
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That's a good thing

fierce pivot
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Better than having cords thar go boom

opal night
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They use larger sized wire

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Carries more current

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Just gotta bend it a bit

scenic lance
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oh ok ill buy it rn

opal night
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My Phanteks was the same way, once you get the wires formed it's nice

scenic lance
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alr placed the order

elfin trout
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Ye

scenic lance
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any 1tb m.2 tb ssd?

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not tryna budget it just need a fast one

fierce pivot
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Pilot e

elfin trout
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Pilot e wack shipping

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Go for p31 1tb imo

fierce pivot
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Ohh rlly? Is it one of those 1-2 months shipping things on Amazon?

opal night
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Free amazon prime?

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Its in stock

elfin trout
fierce pivot
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🤮

elfin trout
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Not shipping taking a month, it's going to take a month before it ships

fierce pivot
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🙄

opal night
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Its in stock on amazon right now

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Just checked

elfin trout
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Really? Yesterday it was saying ships in 1-2 months

fierce pivot
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That's fine then

opal night
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I can have one by friday

elfin trout
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Oh I see

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@opal night it's the 115$ listing by a different seller that's in stock

opal night
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Ya still a good price imo

elfin trout
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Ye

late star
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Stock is crazy rn

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Like I actually can't anymore...

elfin trout
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But I say p31 1tb time :D

late star
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I had to rma my psu, and they have 0 in stock.

elfin trout
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If they want fast

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P31 is fast as heck boi

opal night
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Pretty much same as pilot

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200 more mb write, not a lot

elfin trout
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@opal night much better rnd perf

fierce pivot
fierce pivot
elfin trout
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@fierce pivot sn550 kinda great that's why

opal night
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$20 is $20, just get a Sabrent Rocket 4 then for $150NYEHE

elfin trout
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@opal night which is again slower than p31

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In any rnd workload

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Even 980 pro rocket 4 plus and sn850 are all slower

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P31 meme nand op

fierce pivot
opal night
elfin trout
opal night
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I did

elfin trout
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Wack

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Too lazy to look at testing again, prob has to do with seek latency, but that's controller side, possibly just well constructed nand, leading to less ecc

late star
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Corsair warranty RMA.

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They said if they don't get 750 RMx in stock, they will send me either the 850W or the 1000w whichever comes first..

fierce pivot
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Ntb

late star
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Kinda sucks tbh.

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This market is just crazy.

wanton briar
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PSU and RAM prices seem to be starting to go up

late star
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Ram especially

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I saw the same ram I bought for about $100, it's now at 125.

zinc arch
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Yea I got 32GB of 3600Mhz ram for $100 on black Friday and now its like over $200

snow spoke
signal birch
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is there any reason why I wouldn't out electrical tape on my ketchup and mustard cables?

snow spoke
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no there's no reason why not

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a reason why someone would do that is to make it look cleaner

zinc arch
signal birch
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ok

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good to know

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but the ketchup and mustard cables also look awful

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so I think that is balanced out

zinc arch
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Yea its more just like its almost impossible to get the stickiness off after you put electrical tape on something without using goo gone or some sort of other solvent. But outside of that I don't particularly see any issues with it

signal birch
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ok

zinc arch
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Would probably wait a little bit more before doing it though just to see if anyone more qualified sees a problem

signal birch
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ok

fierce pivot
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There's a possibility there's a heat dissipation issue but i doubt the wires will be too hot

fierce pivot
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Just found out the revolution df 850w just dropped down to €118 4 more than the 750w i ordered should i cancel(hasn't been dispatched yet)? Idk might be too much hassle

snow spoke
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no

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why would you smh

fierce pivot
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Because 4 euro for a 100w upgrade

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And it hasn't been shipped yet

scenic lance
fierce pivot
opal night
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Efficiency ratings are meh. The difference between gold and plat is about $5-$10 a year

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Take you years to make that back with cost increase

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Gold is pretty much just fine

scenic lance
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i was too lazy to google it

opal night
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The DF850W?

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We typically don't recommend non-rated PSU's

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Most are gold

fierce pivot
scenic lance
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how long ago did you place the order?

opal night
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Are you planning on a 3080/3090

fierce pivot
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It's not shipped yet, was like Tuesday or Monday

fierce pivot
opal night
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Then don't worry about lol

scenic lance
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cause i mean and extra 4 euros now for that 100 watts could save you a psu upgrade later down the line, but 750 is usually just fine

opal night
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750W more than enough

fierce pivot
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Yeah i don't think it's worth the bother

scenic lance
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until you go super high end, it wont really end up being worth it

fierce pivot
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I wasn't even gonna put in 3070 wanted 2060/2070/3060/3060 ti but all i could find lol

scenic lance
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yeah 750 is plentyfull then

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personally id leave it

fierce pivot
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Yeah thats what i thought but was like what if but you're probs right

scenic lance
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i have a 200w bigger psu than i i need personally, but i only got it cause it was on a really good sale in the midst ofr 2020 shortages

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700watts for a 580 and a 2200g lmao

fierce pivot
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Nice lol

scenic lance
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speaking of that, racer if you see this, are you axperience with gpu teardowns and such?

opal night
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Depends on the GPU

scenic lance
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and just basic knowledge of pcbs in general

opal night
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What's the question?

scenic lance
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well you see i bought my gpu late 2020 right as gpu shortages started becoming a thing, so the only 580 i couyld get at a reasonable price was the msi aurmour

opal night
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What's the issue with it?

scenic lance
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thing is i know it has a very mediocre cooler

opal night
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Is it overheating or causing issues?

scenic lance
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so made a custon backplate out of aluminum sheet metal

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it does get pretty toasty yeah

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really the question is if its safe for thermal pads to be in contyact with resistors and solder points on the back

opal night
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Oh yeah, they aren't electrically conductive

scenic lance
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i didnt think so but i wanted to be sure

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more just the concern of putting too much pressure on them than anything

opal night
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People add them all the time to newer cards to decrease VRAM temps

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VRAM gets hottest on the PCB side rather than the top side where thermal pads typically are

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Just be sure that aluminum plate has some kind of film on it in the areas the thermal pads aren't so you don't short something out

scenic lance
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okay so that was a smart move to do in that case

opal night
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Most backplates are anodized or filmed to be non-conductive

scenic lance
opal night
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Should work.

scenic lance
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okay, thanks for the help

opal night
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YW

marble gull
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does anyone have a suggestion on a good case that could fit a 3080? And cause the 3080 achieve good thermals?

snow spoke
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which 3080

opal night
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Phanteks P500A

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4000D

marble gull
snow spoke
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do you plan on using an aio on the front?

marble gull
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nope, air cooling

fierce pivot
snow spoke
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ight, so 4000/5000d or x, p400/500a, 275r af, meshify c or meshify 2 c, lancool II mesh, td500 mesh, p300/360a, etc.

marble gull
fierce pivot
snow spoke
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what type of aesthetic were you aiming for? and do what other case designs matter for you

fierce pivot
marble gull
snow spoke
marble gull
fierce pivot
snow spoke
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meshify c, meshify 2 c are nice

marble gull
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lol

signal birch
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is there any reason why I wouldn't install my psu in my case rn? my motherboard comes in a few weeks

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and I have a itch to build rn

zinc arch
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Might just make it slightly harder to route cables if they're modular? Ik some people prefer to go from component to psu instead of from psu to component

chrome iris
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I just heard this and thought I should share

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Segotep started selling a second version of the GP-G which is inferior, and no longer worth the asking price. Its protections aren't set properly (so it can't protect itself from overheating due to a lack of OTP and it won't shut down if you draw too much from it due to improperly set OCP.)

What this means practically is that the unit you're likely to get isn't the LLC resonant one, it's the DF one without OTP and with bad OCP. Contrast that to the CX550 which is $5 more, and you get a proper LLC resonant PSU with functional protections.

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To quote them,
Segotep Power Supplies
A supplier of very budget power supplies have made their way into the western markets. Segotep offers a couple units such as the GP-G, GP-P, SG-G, etc. lineup of power supplies with some conflicting information between them and their product listings. The updated version of the unit SG-G only has CapXon capacitors on the primary side; however, there is a certification test multiple years apart that shows in all probability the double forward topology unit. In my advice, the older unit is no longer sold. I purchased a unit from Amazon and received the SG-700G from the 600W product listing with my tear down here: https://github.com/lQUBEXl/SegotepGP-SG-700G/blob/1f6b484df4be543c19b2c7bf3c41311438189c68/LICENSE.md/LICENSE.md

For very budget builds, I'm "okay" with putting this in a build; however, it's still on a platform (and then the capacitors are reduced in quality) that has OPP set above 150% of the unit rating and no OTP. If we're paying $400 for a GPU, please buy a unit with relevant protection features and third-party testing. I'd be glad to take a FE with a Leadex 3 instead of say a Apevia Prestige and some AIB.

GitHub

Contribute to lQUBEXl/SegotepGP-SG-700G development by creating an account on GitHub.

signal birch
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I just got a segotep gp 650w gold

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it says it has OTP OCP SCP OPP OVP protections on the box

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@opal night @sand atlas ????

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should I return it????

opal night
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Those are good lol

signal birch
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ok

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read up tho

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^^^^

opal night
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I know

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That's the 700W version

signal birch
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ok

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good

elfin trout
#

wack

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might need to go find and ask luke but

elfin trout
#

At least, that's what Luke told me, that the ones being sold now are the llc ones

chrome iris
#

Idk, just thought I should share

elfin trout
#

yeye

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qubex is the only english speaker I know that actually has a teardown of sg-g so

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yea

alpine fox
#

And this is why I went with a Phanteks AMP. Not as cheap, but a very nice unit.

chrome iris
#

I have amp too

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Amp gang

elfin trout
#

lel

#

wacky things

#

maybe I'll try to find qubex at some point

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@quasi kraken do you know where the qubex can be located, or if they did any protection testing on the sg-g?

alpine fox
#

I might have gone a bit overkill by going with a 750w unit, but the PSU has a good warranty and might end up being something I reuse for a long time.

elfin trout
#

meh

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I have a technically dangerous unit I'll likely use for another few years

#

PSUs seem to be the only thing that's standard

alpine fox
#

is putting it in a system with a 5600x and a 3060 But the price between it and the 650w was ten bucks so I figured going a little overkill now might save me some grief later.

elfin trout
#

revo d.f. 850w at 120$ be like

elfin trout
#

the lab?

sand atlas
opal night
#

Sus

sand atlas
#

Seems pretty reasonable to me at a glance

open adder
#

Hmm

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I dont know if 850 is good for 3090 and 10900k

#

I think if you have the money for 3090 just spend some more on psu and get a 1000w

winged geyser
open adder
#

Also it is better to run 70% of the psu and not push it to 90-100 all the time

open adder
#

How will it ?

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500-600 just for 3090

winged geyser
#

How will it?

open adder
#

5.5?

winged geyser
#

Yes

open adder
#

on what cooling

winged geyser
#

A small loop

open adder
#

What is the cpu power draw? Around 300?

hollow gale
hazy forge
#

Is there really a noticeable difference between 80+ platinum and titanium? I'm concerned about power waste and was going to spend up for a plat, but decided to give titanium a looksee to see if its worth it too

fierce pivot
#

No

#

You won't even make back the difference in price in like 10 years

open adder
#

You dont realy need more then gold

#

Even bronze is fine

fierce pivot
#

Yeah unless you have really high power costs then bronze or gold will be more than enough

hazy forge
#

The cost isn't really the concern for me. Im more worried about the actual energy waste. I know my actions don't mean much in terms of the big picture but if I can be a little more efficient for a slight cost. I would prefer to do that

wanton briar
#

The difference is barely noticeable

topaz robin
#

ive had no issues with 3090 with 10900kf or 11900k on an 850w psu

opal night
#

That's what's recommended

fierce pivot
#

Like an extra 2%

elfin trout
#

@hazy forge hell, if you give me the specific psu models, I can look up the efficiency curve for you

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Generally it's within 1%-2% from gold to plat

#

But specific models deviate even more

#

Tbh there are even cases where plat PSUs may be less efficient in general than some gold models xD

#

Since the rating takes different measurements at different loads

hazy forge
#

@elfin trout I wasn't looking at any specific models. Was just oging to go with a reputable 550-600w

#

Now another question, Would you buy an EVGA b-stock PSU?

elfin trout
#

@hazy forge Well, b-stock is basically refurb, so that's that. Good PSU wise, maybe a Phanteks amp 650w for 100$

hazy forge
#

Ok so thats another option for me didn't even know the brand phanteks

#

I guess ive heard it around, but didn't recognize it

charred pier
#

corsair 4000d airflow good right

hazy forge
#

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-GA-0650-X1 seems like a deec deal. Looks like they are discounding most of their stock

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Ooo also comes with a free powerlink adapter that will go with the 2070 super i just got

elfin trout
#

Like EVGA usually uses superflower or CWT, Phanteks amp is a Seasonic rebrand

hazy forge
#

Ohh. didn't know that. I thought most of the bigger names like EVGA, Seasonic, Corsair all were big enough to build their own

#

guess my assumption was incorrect

elfin trout
elfin trout
#

Tho Corsair does work with PSU OEMs to get custom platforms

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So it's theirs... Somewhat

#

(for example, RMx and RM are modified CWT GPU, HXi and AXi are completely custom afaik)

hazy forge
#

Hmm ok gotta look around more then. So my system with a 3600 and a 2070 supa would be rated as a mid-high right?

elfin trout
#

It's just wack, and demonstrates a good point of

elfin trout
#

So..

hazy forge
#

So go for S-Tier 😄

elfin trout
#

3600 and 2070 will run off any half decent 550/650, but might as well go a bit further

hazy forge
#

Should I be caring about multi vs single rail. Not too sure the difference

elfin trout
hazy forge
#

ok cool. Really looking at that Phanteks AMP 750W now for $110

alpine fox
#

I bought a 750w Phanteks AMP. Surprisingly heavy.

hazy forge
#

Thats my computer stand's problem 😛

#

lol

#

But yeah based on that tier chart and the pricing it seems like a no-brainer

elfin trout
#

Other than revo d.f. 850w for 10$ more in higher end builds ;D

scenic lance
#

Does the SG13 come with standoffs or are the heightened screws inbuilt standoffs?

signal birch
#

is it normal for one of the wires to be missing on a 24pin connector?

opal night
#

yes

signal birch
#

ok

#

thx

midnight shuttle
#

ik this is probably a stupid question but if i cut off extra cables from a non modular psu that i dont need and then tape the ends with electrical tape or somethin would it like work out? asking bc i have no other options to reduce inner volume of this PC build to allow some more airflow bc its a velka 3 and the psu is hella expensive and only comes non modular unless i pay like $200 for a custom one

alpine fox
#

That just sounds like a bad idea

weary vine
#

That screams fire hazard to me

midnight shuttle
#

WHEEZE thats what i thought alrighty then

fierce pivot
elfin trout
#

sff

#

is wack

fierce pivot
#

Surely sff of all things would be modular lol

elfin trout
#

@fierce pivot Yes when they use flex atx PSUs that look like this

#

:P

fierce pivot
#

Ew

#

And the ketchup n mustard cables

zinc arch
summer vigil
#

Is BFG Tech a good brand for power supplies?

elfin trout
#

Never heard of them, where did you find it?

summer vigil
#

I got a free one for a few hours of work. It works as in the fans spin after plugging a paper clip into pin 4. Its a 650 watt and I am getting mixed reviews whether it is a good brand or a bad brand

elfin trout
#

Well, we don't have any useful info on it, so it's just another suspicious company to us

#

Unless there's any way to tell what platform it's on

summer vigil
elfin trout
#

Well, that's a decade and a half old thread

alpine fox
#

I would not trust that thing.

weary vine
#

Not a single power supply from that long ago still gonna be alive today

vocal tree
#

Lmao don't cut off psu cables

#

I guess you could use those plastic wire caps but no don't

elfin trout
#

Well, it's actually 15+ years old

#

Simply because of the age, I wouldn't put much faith in it

summer vigil
#

Fair enough, thank you!

elfin trout
half gulch
#

Is a Evga 850w 80+ Platinum reasonable ? (Currently Evga 750w 80+ Bronze, Both Fully Modular)

#

I've heard, it's overkill and no need to go such lengths but it's Peak Efficiency that matters

fierce pivot
half gulch
#

My current pc is (I'll put them on Pcpartpicker and send the link)

#

It'll take a bit

fierce pivot
#

👍 just the main components like cpu gpu

#

Will do

half gulch
#

Ah so it's Ryzen 5 3600 and Evga Gtx 1660

#

But planning on upgrading to Ryzen 7 5800x and Rtx 3080

fierce pivot
#

Ahh

#

750w is g for a 3080 iirc

#

But what model of psu

#

Like supernova? Bq? Ba? W1?

half gulch
#

Evga 750w 80+ Bronze B5

fierce pivot
#

That's a b tier psu so pretty decent, what psu model where you looking at?

half gulch
#

I was thinking of upgrading to a Evga 850w 80+ Platinum P2

#

Not sure if it's similar to the B5

#

But it's Fully Modular

fierce pivot
#

That would be an upgrade but what price is it?

#

Also platinum is hardly an upgrade over gold unless you're in an area with really really high electricity costs

half gulch
open adder
#

Thats a 1000w price

half gulch
#

Oh my, welp....inflation

open adder
#

I think there are good ones for around 150

half gulch
open adder
fierce pivot
half gulch
#

Haven't heard of them, i'll go check it out and wait wdym "wont make the price up" ?

fierce pivot
half gulch
#

Ah gotcha....welp darn, guess California is pricey and becoming pricey

fierce pivot
#

Yeah so a gold one will do just fine

elfin trout
#

@half gulch efficiency curves are wacky, and they don't scale up well from gold to plat on PSUs, it'll be maybe 2% difference max at peak efficiency

zinc arch
#

Anyone know much about old psu's? lol

mellow shard
#

yep

#

what kinds

zinc arch
#

Know anything about a Thermaltake TR2 500W? just pulled one out of a pc and was wondering if it was worth gicing to a friend. It's non modular with ketchup and mustard cables but if its not a bomb its not a bomb

mellow shard
#

eh seems like an ok psu

elfin trout
#

@zinc arch Gold or bronze

zinc arch
#

Currently trying to figure that out I don't actually see an 80+ label lol

elfin trout
#

does it look like this

zinc arch
elfin trout
#

let's see

#

annoyin

zinc arch
#

Looking at the model on thermaltake's site it looks like there isn't even an 80+ certification at all. It's gonna be hilarious if I find out this thing is a complete bomb and it's made it 6 years somehow

elfin trout
#

even bombs can be lucky

#

It's looking like this one, decade old, no listing on the PSU tier list

#

(Image pulled from a review from 2011)

zinc arch
#

That's fair, that entire build was a disaster but is what happens when 14 year old me had zero direction on how to spec a pc build. Although it did work well for quite a while

elfin trout
#

quality doesn't seem too bad, japanese primary caps, rubycon secondary caps it seems

#

oh wait

#

rubycon primary, teapo secondary

#

ripple looks fine

#

but this review also doesn't really go in depth

#
vocal tree
#

When did the 80 plus thing kick off?

elfin trout
#

2004 it seems

zinc arch
#

Lol I love this marketing bit thermaltake had "Cable Management Optimized - Cooler-Running Computer Guaranteed!" by saying it was a good thing they made their non modular ketchup and mustard psu cables even longer

vocal tree
#

Lol

#

I mean

#

I guess

elfin trout
#

lol

zinc arch
#

nobody said thermaltake was known for good choices

undone lynx
#

What are my options for making my power cables more manageable? Right know i have sleaved cables but they have electrical tape or something simular at the end by the connector making them stiff. Trying to bend them to go into the cable management area but they stick out bit due to stiffness not letting me bend them directly to the cut outs.

fierce pivot
#

Try zip tie them to something

zinc arch
#

😂 The psu has a connector that's 2 molex headers to 1 6pin pcie

scenic lance
#

rubber bands

chrome iris
vocal tree
#

Not so bad

elfin trout
#

@chrome iris Yes, but the one in question doesn't seem to have any 80+ certification

elfin trout
chrome iris
#

Oh yeah I was just referring to the picture @elfin trout

#

Didnt see his. The one he has is E tier yeah?

elfin trout
#

no idea

#

I don't believe it was on the tier list

chrome iris
opal night
#

I have one of yhose. Its crap. Massive voltage sag. Replacrd with phanteks

#

TR2

vocal tree
#

are older versions of the tier list public still>

edgy tiger
#

Honestly i have gotten to a point where I really dont care abt the list unless doing something expensive

#

I just hook it up to a PSU tester and if it good it good

vocal tree
#

famous last words

edgy tiger
#

Haa.

vocal tree
#

:)

edgy tiger
#

I will avoid absolutely terrible reputation units

#

But if its grey with a rainbow of cables

#

Doesn’t matter to me

#

Just bought a lot of old FSP PSUs as untested

#

So far all work beacause FSP> anything else

chrome iris
edgy tiger
#

OMG i love him

#

He is like my life coach

chrome iris
#

i love bryan a lot too

edgy tiger
#

My man.

#

but we all know lez is a hottie

chrome iris
#

🥵

edgy tiger
#

I could only DREAM i had a lez

chrome iris
#

i wish i had someone like lez to hook me up with parts and machines

vocal tree
#

FSP is nice

edgy tiger
#

Tech yes discord hated me tho so I just left

vocal tree
#

my computer was powered by a cheap 280w fsp unit and the unit died

#

computer just fine

edgy tiger
#

But Brian is probably my favorite Youtuber RN

#

Honestly surprised an FSP died

chrome iris
#

im more of an HEC fan Sip

edgy tiger
#

HEC?

chrome iris
#

HEC

edgy tiger
#

Uuuh

chrome iris
#

i wish they still sold the 450TE-2WX units

#

those things were budget bangers

edgy tiger
#

Oh yeah, maybe have seen them

#

Mostly get delta units around here

edgy tiger
#

Those were really popular with SIs

#

The deltas

chrome iris
#

i suppose EVGA B stock is where its at rn tho

edgy tiger
#

Tried that

#

You watch Dawid or Oz?

chrome iris
#

not much

#

a little

chrome iris
edgy tiger
#

Well, It was a while ago, and not for a PSU

#

It was some old graphics card

#

Worked fine

#

Dawid’s sense of humor IDK kinda annoying and Oz is a little too creative with the music sometimes but love both of em

vocal tree
#

no way

#

Oz music is poggers peepoSadSip

edgy tiger
#

I mean it’s mostly good

willow hollow
#

dawid used to be funny but i feel like he's forcing the jokes more and more

vocal tree
#

randomgaminginhd

edgy tiger
#

yes

#

and budget builds

#

IDK dawid's humor is annoying, he bashes economy things even though they defiantly have their place

zinc arch
#

I feel like I don't mind Dawid in small doses but I couldn't watch a bunch of his videos back to back

edgy tiger
#

oh yea

lilac frost
#

Is a lian li 205m a good matx case?

elfin trout
#

Meh, airflow looks sad

edgy tiger
#

@tender rapids mesh and airflow I assume

#

Both are good, do lancool if you have a more RGB focused build. 4000 is really cool but not as RGB focused

#

4000 has those yellow accents

#

Looks nice- but a little out of place with obnoxious gamer parts and stuff

scenic lance
#

275r (non airflow) or 205?

sand atlas
#

I'm looking at a be quiet straight power 11 as the new power supply for my system, since it's the cheapest 850W, A tier, multi rail unit right now.
I've got a couple of concerns about it, though. The OCP seems to be set excessively high (170%?), which kinda defeats the purpose of a multi rail unit. The ripple also looks pretty bad for its class.
I should probably just wait for the RM850x to be in stock again, shouldn't I?

fierce pivot
fierce pivot
toxic pilot
#

What psu should I get for a 3080 and r7 3700x

open adder
#

750w @toxic pilot should be good

elfin trout
#

amp 750w or revo d.f. 850w

split edge
#

I found this Still sealed Lian Li case on eBay For $20 cheaper than Newegg.

I am not advertising btw I just saw it and thought I would let you know.
Just type in Lian Li lancool ii mesh its the one for $90

scenic lance
#

What are the sticky things that come with the SG13

opal night
#

Sticky things, like feet for the underside or sticky like plastic pieces for cable management?

desert forum
opal night
#

Enermax REvolution DF 850W

scenic lance
#

@opal night I just dm’ed you

#

Showing the sticky things

opal night
#

Ya, got it

fierce pivot
# desert forum 850w gold+

It really depends on the unit tbh you can have terrible 850w golds with no protections, terrible capacitors etc

desert forum
fierce pivot
#

Yeah it's a decent psu just overpriced just saying that all 850w golds aren't made equal

elfin trout
#

@desert forum I say revolution d.f.

desert forum
fierce pivot
#

Well a rmx 850w is 210$ atm whereas enermax revolution df is almost half the price still an a tier pus and iirc multi rail

scenic lance
desert forum
scenic lance
#

idk i kinda like the flat panel bit

#

but still want at least reasonable airflow

fierce pivot
fierce pivot
fierce pivot
sand atlas
#

Hmm I guess I missed that, thought it was just the maxrevo

#

I'm going RM850x anyway, I need best in class everything for a 3090

fierce pivot
#

But so expensive?

#

Up to you i guess

sand atlas
#

$140

opal night
#

That's not much more than the Revo

fierce pivot
zinc arch
#

I've found pcpp's ability to find pricing correctly not be awful lately. Like even things in stock just say "no pricing available" sometimes until you force it to a merchant.

fierce pivot
#

Weird

zinc arch
#

Maybe that's just for me though idk🤷‍♂️ I got my build together so it doesn't make a huge difference I've just noticed it trying to look at stuff for other people

sand atlas
#

It's in stock on corsair website, pcpp needs to update that

fierce pivot
#

Ahh

#

I thought was just overpriced cuz mining or something

#

Although i thought that was only on 1000w+

sand atlas
#

Nope, $145 plus a coupon for $5 I can't find again (sorry)
It's mostly the 1000+ units that are up yeah

fierce pivot
#

Ahh ntb then

fierce pivot
#

I got my new psu but ordered it from Germany, forgot that mainland Europe doesn't use the same power plug, should i just return it?

#

Or should i buy a new lead if it's cheaper?

open adder
#

You can get an adapter

#

For like 5-10$

fierce pivot
#

Is that an okay idea tho?

#

Don't want to like throttle the perf or something

open adder
#

Im not sure never used those before im just buying psus from my country but it should work fine i think

fierce pivot
#

Yeah but just seems wrong to use an adaptor with a revolution df

zinc arch
#

Wait is it a different plug on the unit itself? I thought it was just a different cable between the wall and the unit for different countries

fierce pivot
#

Didn't really come across my mind when ordering

zinc arch
#

I think a new cable should be fine? To the best of my understanding the cables between the wall and the psu should all be about the same. But maybe someone else has better insight on that

fierce pivot
#

I thought there was something with quality of cables, like my old psu is an evga 600w w1 and feel like i could use that but donating to brothers pc so he wouldn't be able to plug it in if i stole the lead from my old one also i though there was something about the thickness etc

zinc arch
#

I guess I've never had a cable like that, that didn't feel really bulky or thick so maybe it's just I haven't seen a cheap one🤷‍♂️

fierce pivot
#

Well the one the gave was not really that thick in the first place but idk

fierce pivot
#

Is this right to have the 24 pin split on top and bottom?

opal night
#

Yes

#

Well, split left to right there

#

TOP should be CPU 8 pin

fierce pivot
#

Yeah okay thanks was just a bit confused why it was on top and below

#

First time having modular psu and also thought they were usually beside each other

opal night
#

Revo 850W?

fierce pivot
#

750w but yes

opal night
#

yeah that's normal

fierce pivot
#

Okay thanks

#

Does it matter which cpu one i use btw?

#

I don't think there should be but just incase

opal night
#

Nope, any of them are fine

fierce pivot
#

And im guessing the bits with labels go in the psu end? Because i don't see any markings on the other end of the 24 pin?

#

Thanks btw vintage

#

Ohh nvm there was no markings and it has a clip that only lets it go one way

opal night
#

The labeled ends should go to the PC components

#

IE CPU, PCI-E etc

fierce pivot
#

Yeah thanks just because the 24 pin had no markings i thought mb it was to go into psu but guess not

#

Last question i hope, any idea what this if for?

opal night
#

That's a clip to hold the power plug in place

#

Not used on a desktop

fierce pivot
#

Okay thanks

#

Would it also be okay to use the daisy chain for my gpu? Ik its supposed to slightly increase performance sometimes but doubt its needed for a 3070

opal night
#

It's not, two separate cables

fierce pivot
#

Alright then, thanks

lilac frost
#

Is a lian li 205m a good matx case?

wanton briar
#

Yes

#

You only need to ask in one channel

lilac frost
#

I’m sry 😖

wanton briar
#

For $60 the 205M is a great mATX case

fierce pivot
#

Would someone be able to help me find a suitable kettle lead for my psu as i imported from germany (if possible from amazon uk) i was told 16 awg but that's not a popular standard over here, is 13a okay instead?

opal night
#

850W is only about 4 amps

fierce pivot
#

Ohh so i shouldn't worry that much then 👌

willow sierra
#

I have been told that I should get at least 1000W.

#

I planned to get an 850

opal night
#

Nah

#

850W is fine

willow sierra
#

Thanks

opal night
#

Estimated wattage is always low

fierce pivot
#

850w fine

willow sierra
#

Love you

fierce pivot
#

It will get peeks more than the calculated probs but yeah 850w is fine

willow sierra
#

Thanks again.

fierce pivot
#

I wouldn't bother with a 980 ssd tho btw

opal night
#

Well, calcs go off TDP

fierce pivot
#

Kinda overpriced

opal night
#

TDP always low

willow sierra
#

I am already on a tight budget, I don't want to spend extra.

fierce pivot
opal night
#

Save $100 and get a Mushkin Pilot E for $109

willow sierra
fierce pivot
#

That'll save you about 80$

willow sierra
#

I suppose it's reliable and won't break in 2 years 😄

fierce pivot
#

It's v nice ssd

willow sierra
#

Thank you.

#

Now I can spend that in the PSU if needed 😄

opal night
#

Nah, don't need to

willow sierra
#

Then I don't want to*, since I am not in the position to just spend 😛 Thanks again

#

I am eating words.

willow sierra
opal night
#

SN750

willow sierra
#

Looking for it.

#

Yes sir! That's cheaper! Thanks again

zinc arch
#

Random question anybody know anything about a 5 pin PCIe plug? lol

#

This old psu had a connector that was 2 molex in and was a pcie 6 pin out but one of the pins on the 6 pin is missing

opal night
#

uhhhhh

zinc arch
#

*left out not missing like broken

opal night
#

I'd avoid molex adapters

zinc arch
#

I was just curious if anything knew anything about what it would be used for if its not a full 6pins on pcie

#

I have no intention of using it, I was just curious

opal night
#

Probs missing a ground or power wire

zinc arch
#

ah ok

reef axle
#

is the phanteks eclipse p360a better than the 4000d airflow?

opal night
#

No

elfin trout
#

In one sense yes

#

since iirc 3 included fans vs 2

#

wait no p360a is only 2, nvm

opal night
#

Ye

elfin trout
#

I say they're the same

#

and p360a usually cheaper so

rancid helm
#

I am making a pc for my friend that will have an i7 11700(because of availability and the iGpu) now and a 3060 when available, and I wanted to know what psu I should get for it, he won't do any overclocking

elfin trout
#

(why not 11500 if just for iGPU?)

#

11700 power draw figure is annoying to find, only 11700k is readily avaliable

rancid helm
#

well with an 11500, what wattage power supply would you reccomend

elfin trout
#

650w should be more than enough

#

11700 is just really really annoying atm

rancid helm
#

would a 600 watt be sufficient, because I have an old one collecting dust

elfin trout
#

different bios has different power draw

#

What exact model?

#

The issue with an old model isn't the wattage, it's the quality and the not-blowing-up ability

rancid helm
#

it is not that and it was 80+ gold so, it would be perfectly reliable

elfin trout
#

uhhhh

#

80+ gold means nothing

#

p-gm is 80+ gold and literally blew up in testing

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lotta things that go into a PSU, if you can give me a model, I can check it for ya

rancid helm
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oh, ok then, I don't know the exact psu model because it was from a pre-built so I think I will just get a new 650 watt to be safe

elfin trout
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Phanteks amp 650w is a nice unit

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Corsair CX or CX-f is good (NOT CX-m), Seasonic Focus plus GM is nice, core GM is good

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those are usually 80-100$

rancid helm
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thanks

brave plume
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I want to get cable extensions and suggestions I want rgb

wanton briar
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Lian Li Strimer

brave plume
wanton briar
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This thing, i'm sure it aint great at all though

brave plume
wanton briar
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Nothing that isn't total trash afaik

brave plume
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Ok I’ll just get lian li I gues

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Which one

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They have multiple right

wanton briar
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Wdym

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They have CPU, GPU, and motherboard

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choose which ones you want

brave plume
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No like lian li rgb plus

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All that

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Where is the cheapest place to buy them

wanton briar
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Newegg or Amazon

brave plume
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Should I get strimer plus

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Or strimer

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They have 2

wanton briar
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I dont think it matters

brave plume
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Wait how many will I need

wanton briar
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Depends on how many GPU cables you have

brave plume
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I want cpu gpu and and 24

wanton briar
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then buy one of each...

brave plume
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How many comes in the gpu

wanton briar
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1

brave plume
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1 gpu

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But doesn’t it depend on the gpu

wanton briar
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What connectors does your GPU have

brave plume
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Idk

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I want to get a

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3080 or 3080ti or 3090

wanton briar
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I would wait to buy the GPU to get the GPU extensions then

brave plume
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Ok

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And for cpu j should get a 8 pin right

wanton briar
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Yes

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That's the only ones they have

brave plume
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Ok thx

topaz robin
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you want a 24-pin for mobo, and if a 3090 a triple-8-pin for the gpu.

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the controller only has two ports, one for gpu and one for mobo. You typically dont put strimers to the cpu

tawdry frost
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Some of the 3090s only use dual 8pin

topaz robin
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yes but you can get the triple-8-pin cable and pull out 8 of the pins

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thats how I did mine

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it takes a little fiddling but it looks like one solid cable

sand atlas
opal night
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Depends on how the power is distributed on the PCB tho too

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Some of them aren't all tied together IIRC

sand atlas
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That's fair, but then explain the 12 pin connector?

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Clearly it can be done

opal night
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Lemme find an FE teardown

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SO it just couples some of the pins inside together

sand atlas
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I'm genuinely curious about the pinout on that at least now. I know a lot of the 8 pin is just ground.

opal night
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There are still 3 voltage shunts present

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6 connectors total out of the 12 pin

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SO it could still be feeding the VRM's individually

unkempt abyss
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Hey, I'm trying to make an external power button for my pc or aka a custom power switch. I'm not sure how to do it. My pc is a dell precision tower 5810. Yes ik it's a prebuilt and I am not personally affected by this

chrome iris
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You could probably just buy a power switch and from there do whatever you want with it

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@unkempt abyss

unkempt abyss
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Yes but I'm struggling to find where I can plug it in. Is there a manual or something I can lookup?

sand atlas
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There's the header that the default power button attached to, just 2 pins that send a short signal to power on. A simple button with 2 wires will work.

alpine fox
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I'd like to later on get some cable extensions for my build. But just some colored ones. Even I think the RGB PSU cable extensions are silly.

zinc arch
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There's cablemod, I believe they're one of the more if not most expensive options but they're also very premium. I'm not sure if I can remember the name of any of the other companies off the top of my head

unkempt abyss
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Would someone be able to pinpoint which of these I should connect to to start my computer via an external power button

opal night
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2 pins on the front panel header labeled pwr

unkempt abyss
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So this area?

opal night
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On the motherboard. 23

unkempt abyss
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Ok thanks

bitter summit
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Just got my Death Stranding Case

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Super Excited to build my pc today!

twilit dock
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Looking for a vertical gpu mount to go with this case

barren sparrow
empty yoke
dusk pasture
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what the f

opal night
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It's FSP

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They make an absolute crap ton of PSU's

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If I'd trust anyone, it'st hem

dusk pasture
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Overclock peak power output from 1200W to 1400W with liquid cooling enabled
Hybrid Cooling System with 135mm silent fan & Liquid Cooling
Built-in RGB lighting in water block with Controller
Complies with ATX12V v2. 4 & EPS12V v2. 92 | Active PFC ≥ 0. 9
Global safety Approved | Complete protections: OCP, OVP, SCP, OPP, OTP ```
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literally overclock your psu

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WTF

empty yoke
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they even have a video for it

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I mean at this point it's probably gonna act like a radiator for your system, even as a 1200w psu

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considering it has a fan

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lol

distant torrent
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ANyone reccomend any 700w psu?

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Or 600

chrome iris
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@distant torrent what CPU + GPU are you planning to use with it

distant torrent
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159300h with a gtx 1650

chrome iris
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a what now

distant torrent
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Intel core i5-9300h

chrome iris
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thats a laptop CPU

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you dont need to buy a power supply for a laptop unless you lost your charging brick

distant torrent
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OK

rancid helm
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what 650 watt psu do you think is most likely to explode

elfin trout
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p-gm