cases-psu-and-cooling

[summer gorge]

any idea when it will be back in stock?

[cunning dragon]

No information on Amazon

Check this out on @Newegg: Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000W 80+ Platinum, 10 Years Warranty, ECO Fanless & Silent Mode, Full Flat Ribbon Modular Power Supply, Dual Ball Bearing Fan, SF-1000F14MP V2 https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-platinum-se-sf-1000f14mp-v2-1000w/p/1HU-024C-00020?Item=9SIAMNPC0F2629&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAMNPC0F2629-_-03262021

Thoughts?

[opal night]

Top of th eline Tier A PSU

Seems expensive though but that's kinda how things are now

[cunning dragon]

249 bucks is cheaper than I spent on the titanium one so I'm not hard pressed.

[opal night]

Ah, it's a good unit

[cunning dragon]

Good deal need something to contend with an RTX build in the future.

[keen ginkgo]

does the rating of a power supply (gold silver or bronze) really make a diffence

[summer gorge]

It does things but to the average consumer it doesn’t mean anything

[keen ginkgo]

kk thx

[robust siren]

not really much
at best it could mean better efficiency
the quality of the rest of the unit has nothing to do with the 80+ rating

[fierce pivot]

Also anything above bronze is not bad but usually just more expensive and not worth the extra

[snow spoke]

i've seen gold rated psu's perform worse than bronze rated smh

[trail jolt]

it certainly could, given gold and bronze only mean efficiency.

[snow spoke]

yee

[fierce pivot]

You would think a more efficient one of same wattage should be better tho smh

[snow spoke]

yeah, many people buy because gold efficiency smh

[scenic lance]

Aren’t Gold’s usually quieter too?

no

oh

[elfin trout]

it has nothing to do with noise

at all

Noise is mostly whatever fan is on there

[scenic lance]

I see

[sand atlas]

I've seen OEM DELL power supplies rated 80+ platinum. They only output 12v DC and the motherboard handles voltages.

[elfin trout]

12vo eh

[scenic lance]

i can plug in EPS to gpu right

[sand atlas]

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07FKRLVZD/

[sand atlas]

Please tell me you're joking

[scenic lance]

lol

[sand atlas]

Physically, yes it would probably fit, which is very bad design imo considering the pinout is completely flipped.

[minor portal]

syl#4270 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[lethal ridge]

no cussing lol esp when you're typing an essay

[violet scroll]

is it normal that i made a pc on the pc builder and my psu and mother board are not compatible

[sand atlas]

Yes

[scenic lance]

r/woooooosh

[robust siren]

uhhh no...usually
most boards and psus the same plugs unless you have oem parts
or...one of those new 12v only boards which i doubt

[sand atlas]

It's probably a simple warning message like "this PSU only has one 8 pin CPU power"

[robust siren]

its still gonna work yo
i have a 4pin in a 8 pin eps slot...dont ask why

answer is $14 psu

[violet scroll]

so if it fits it works right ?

[sand atlas]

Usually

[robust siren]

can you just tell what psu and mobo are you planning on

[violet scroll]

https://www.newegg.ca/seasonic-focus-plus-750-gold-ssr-750fx-750w/p/N82E16817151187?Item=N82E16817151187&utm_medium=TraEmail&utm_source=TEMC-Shipping-New-Tracking-Notification-Responsive-US&cm_mmc=TEMC-Shipping-New-Tracking-Notification-Responsive-US-_-N82E16817151187

https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813119370?Item=N82E16813119370&utm_medium=TraEmail&utm_source=TEMC-Shipping-New-Tracking-Notification-Responsive-US&cm_mmc=TEMC-Shipping-New-Tracking-Notification-Responsive-US-_-N82E16813119370

[sand atlas]

Yes they'll work

[robust siren]

^^

[violet scroll]

thx guys ive been stuck on this for 3 hours and sorry if my english is bad it is not my main language

[faint glacier]

Bruh.

[willow sierra]

Are there many setups that require a PSU over 850? I am buying the PC piece by piece, over at least 6 months, I only have the new case until now, and I am thinking to get the PSU second. GPU and CPU last 2 pieces of the PC

Or should I just put the PSU last?

[opal night]

Not really, 850 should be enough to do anything

[willow sierra]

I was thinking about the same, since I am not into OC

[green marlin]

except 3090

[opal night]

Fine for that too

[green marlin]

cause the power spikes tho

its pretty much 1000watt or nothin for 3090s

[opal night]

A good 850 will be fine

don't need 1000 W

[green marlin]

ok

if u think so

[opal night]

Not think, know so

ONly an issue if you mod the VBIOS to a 500W power limit or something. Stock power limits you're fine

[minor portal]

Tragicalplum9#9999 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Tragicalplum9#9999 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[abstract sonnet]

is 750 gold good enough for a rtx 3070 and ryzen 5 3600xt?

[opal night]

Overkill

650W should be fine for that but 750 leaves room to upgrade

[abstract sonnet]

ok thank you very much

[summer gorge]

The Ryzen ? ????XT CPUs are such bad value

Especially the 3800XT

[fierce pivot]

indeed, the 3600xt is a 95w cpu as well :o for an extra 100mhz over the 3600x 🤦‍♂️

[chrome iris]

3600x is 95w as well, no?

[fierce pivot]

and the where released a year after x models

no its 65w

[chrome iris]

The thing that makes it bad value is the price difference

Nah 3600x is 95w tdp

Regular 3600 is 65w

[fierce pivot]

ahh, i was looking at a wiki page for the 3000 series

[chrome iris]

AMD’s site says otherwise

[fierce pivot]

but still the xt model was a year later, after the x release for +100mhz

[chrome iris]

Yeah, bad

[fierce pivot]

yes i just checked

[opal night]

XT is just a clock bump not worth the money

[chrome iris]

Yup

[fierce pivot]

aparantly they launced same price, but unless you already had b450 board and upgrading from zen or zen+, i5 10400 is way better deal

[opal night]

And more performance in games

[fierce pivot]

but the 3700x is only a 65w chip like howwwwwwww bruh

[opal night]

Uh

Always remember

[chrome iris]

Ehhh it uses more power than 65w

Can go over tdp

[opal night]

TDP ONLY applies to base clocks

Not boost clocks

[chrome iris]

When boosting yeah

[opal night]

My 3700x will pull 120+W under the right conditions

[fierce pivot]

fair enough but still

[opal night]

Seriously though, TDP only applies to base clock. Goes out the window the second the CPU boosts.

SO take it with a really large grain of salt

Like, INtel's CPU's advertise 95W TDP but will pull 200+W on the high end

[chrome iris]

Yeah that’s why you don’t use the included stock cooler on the i9-10900 lol

[fierce pivot]

oof fair

[opal night]

yep

Even the 10600K can get toasty

[fierce pivot]

does 10900 come with stock cooler wtf

[opal night]

It does XD

[fierce pivot]

lmao

[vocal tree]

So you can keep your i9 (not) cool

[robust siren]

They really need to upgrade the stock cooler
its been a sad chunk of aluminium for years

atleast make it thicker

[opal night]

Older ones were beter

had a chunk of copper in them, really made a difference

I still have the one from my 4590 with the copper in it

[fierce pivot]

why would they downgrade the cooler lol, ik profits n stuff but especially from a budget perspective, having the amd stock cooler be not trash was a selling point for me when i got my 3600

[robust siren]

The ones that came with c2qs were absolute chonkers with a copper core

they just need to make it thicker

[young osprey]

Rip my Q6600 that I used for 11 years

[surreal magnet]

damn

really got your moneys worth outta that chip

[normal edge]

So i need some help

for some reason my io shield doesnt seem to be aligning properly

it seems like it sags down

[surreal magnet]

if its pre-attached to the board, its designed to move around

if you cant get it to line up properly, the issue lies elsewhere

check to make sure the board is properly lined up with the standoffs, and if its already screwed in, make sure the case isnt bent

but tbh its an io shield, it doesn't need to be perfect

[normal edge]

the case seems fine

is that normal?

[sand atlas]

It doesn't need to be perfect, a tiny gap like that is fine

[surreal magnet]

look good to me

[tranquil gulch]

chose 4000d airflow over the 510

so far looks great

[fierce pivot]

Btw does anyone know what the difference is between the 4000d airflow and 5000d airflow was thinking after i get my money back from my gpu to get a 4000d airflow but the 5000d just looks like pretty much same case 2x price

[sand atlas]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/blog/4000-5000-series-case-comparison

[fierce pivot]

Thanks 👍 so it's just a bigger case by the looks of it interesting

[sand atlas]

Mostly, yeah

3 more fan slots like the O11 has next to the motherboard

And a fan hub

[fierce pivot]

Right i see, don't think i would be using that many fans any time soon, 4000d airflow it is

[scenic lance]

Just ordered the Lian Li 215 hopefully I don’t regret it for my first build 😅

[lapis pond]

i was gonna purchase that one for my first build too lol, i went with the phanteks p400a, amazing airflow tbh

[snow spoke]

it's got some big fans tho 😳

[scenic lance]

Niceee

[scenic lance]

Indeed it does

It’s a decent first budget build im building on it.

I did research on some downsides. But I’m saving a lot of money on this case 🙂

Hopefully it won’t fail me

[lethal ridge]

kek imma give a p300a on a B560M

[normal goblet]

help my Hard drive is not showing up

[edgy tiger]

@normal goblet when did you install it?

[normal goblet]

just now

[edgy tiger]

Ok, phew. Thats normal

Go to partition management

You should see the drive there

Do u see it?

[normal goblet]

errr

i dont see a partition management

[edgy tiger]

Manager

Try that

[normal goblet]

partition manger

[edgy tiger]

Yes

[normal goblet]

ok

[edgy tiger]

Do you see the drive?

It should be pretty easy to see based on its capacity

[normal goblet]

checking give me a sec

nope dont see anything

[edgy tiger]

You only see your c drive?

[normal goblet]

C and E drives my D drive is missing

[edgy tiger]

Hmm. Are you assuming that the hard drive would be a D drive?

[normal goblet]

yes i moved this from my old pc

[edgy tiger]

Ok

If you scroll down at the bottom half you should see a drive without a letter path

That is normally what happens when I install a new drive

And then just assign a letter to it and you can use it

But if you dont see that it is either a physical problem or BIOS being weird

[normal goblet]

My e is a sata ssd while my c is a m.2 one

[edgy tiger]

Ok thanks for sharing that

And no disk 2 I assume

[normal goblet]

nothing below that

[normal goblet]

what does that mean

[edgy tiger]

You already told me don’t worry

Ok, could you restart into the bios?

That way we can see if this is software or hardware

[normal goblet]

sure one sec lemme go get my phone

imma reset

[edgy tiger]

Ok sure

[normal goblet]

I’m back

[edgy tiger]

ok, does the drive show up in bios?

[normal goblet]

No

[edgy tiger]

then this has got to be a hardware problem.

maybe try different sata ports

this worked on your old machine, right?

[normal goblet]

Ok but I’m using a splitter for the power and that’s working on the ssd so lemme check the data cable

[normal goblet]

Yes

[edgy tiger]

does the drive spin up?

vibrate or make any noise when turned on?

[normal goblet]

No

[edgy tiger]

thats almost defiantly a power problem then

[normal goblet]

Well I haven’t been paying attention

[edgy tiger]

well, maybe check, because it will narrow down which connector is the problem

[normal goblet]

Ok I actually changed the data cable to see if it works

And nothing

[edgy tiger]

does the drive vibrate when powered on?

[normal goblet]

its caged in

but i think

[edgy tiger]

just putting your hand on it shoud work

[normal goblet]

ok lemme check

yea it vibrates

[edgy tiger]

well it is defiantly not a power problem then

[normal goblet]

well i have tried 2 data cables

Well lemme check if it’s a bad Sara slot it was hard to get into

IT WORKS

I think it was hard to hide it in

[edgy tiger]

Nice!

Have fun with your new storage

[scenic lance]

Anyone recommend Psu Extension Cables I can buy in Canada?

[edgy tiger]

Anything from cablemod or aisahorse is good

[normal goblet]

Thx man

[scenic lance]

Might go for asiahorse

Cheaper

Cablemod is more premium

[edgy tiger]

I know bitwit is a big fan and easy order of amazon

[rigid meteor]

Is there an open case for like 40 bucks on Newegg that has fan support

[sand atlas]

Open case? Like an open air frame, commonly used in mining or benchmarking?

[astral grail]

Antec HCG650. Saw this on Amazon for $26. Wanted to

1. See if it was a decent PSU
2. Share the deal for anyone looking for a PSU on a tight budget

[outer wolf]

how much wattage was it for $26

and the rating

[astral grail]

650w 80+ gold and fully modular

[stable tusk]

Antec is a reputable brand

[outer wolf]

scam

[astral grail]

Its 75% off

[outer wolf]

oh

[astral grail]

Not a scam

[outer wolf]

in that case yeah

i thought it was $26 base price

i didnt know it was a deal

if it was $26 base price it be a scam

[astral grail]

Yea didnt make that one clear

[outer wolf]

brand doesnt mean much at all

[stable tusk]

oh okay

[astral grail]

EVGA reputable brand. G3....

[outer wolf]

i mean dont buy a psu from a brand you've never heard of but just because you've never heard of the company doesnt mean its bad

[stable tusk]

yeah

[outer wolf]

and BQ

bq sucks so hard

cx so much better for the same wattage

[stable tusk]

what about br?

[outer wolf]

better not great

[stable tusk]

what's good for bronze?

[rigid meteor]

What’s a good open pc case that supports 120 mm fans

[stable tusk]

Also what makes some psus better than others?

[astral grail]

I mean at this point id just get the Antec HCG650. Gold for $26

Look more into it but seems reliable from the reviews im looking at

[astral grail]

Literally any open air case. 120mm is a standard size. Id be suprised to find a case that doesnt.

[stable tusk]

I mean I don't need a psu rn. I have a Corsair 750w gold RMi

[rigid meteor]

@astral grail like a case that resembles a mining case, can u link me one

[stable tusk]

but I also have an EVGA br 500 bronze lol but I haven't been able to use it since I can't finish my build lmao

[astral grail]

So a test bench? Open air would be like a Lian Li 011. But to resemble a mining rig would be a test bench

[rigid meteor]

@astral grail yeah, can u find one for me that has fan support? Like 3 or 4 fan mounts

[astral grail]

Most likley not. Its a test bench for a reason, for testing hardware

Not really supposed to use it as a daily case

[teal flare]

thermaltake core p3/p5?

[astral grail]

They looking for like a test bench. Just a metal square with motherboard mounting.

[teal flare]

with fan mounts

that is what those cases have

this is the p3, pretty sure the p5 supports 1 more fan mount and is a bit bigger

[astral grail]

Is there another P3? This is what I remember the P3 being

[teal flare]

that doesn't show up when I search p3

[astral grail]

Unless google cant link images correctly... Idfk

[slate axle]

woah

[broken mica]

Will the mettalic gear neo air atx be back in stock soon? or did they discontinue them

cos I was gonna buy one but now they are unavailible everywhere

[summer gorge]

We aren’t employees, and the few that are here either

A: literally almost never type anything here or

B: don’t control stock of products at all

[snow spoke]

it's such a nice looking case smh

and it's gone, who knows if it'll come back

[scenic lance]

i would love another usb 3.0 on the 500dx :/

whatever

ig im just using the mobo io

[summer gorge]

thats... what you should do

[scenic lance]

anyways

apparently the 500dx with another fan performed worse

was wondering if another intake makes it worse

would another exhaust make it better orrr

[fierce pivot]

Buy a hub and put on top of pc then XD

[rigid meteor]

@astral grail is there such thing as a test bench with 4 120mm fan mounts, like i got extra fans and loooking to put them in good use

[astral grail]

Are you looking for an actual Test Bench? Something like this. Or a case with a glass side pannel but with an open air design

[rigid meteor]

@astral grail like a test bench does that case hold fans

[astral grail]

What I just sent is a test bench. A test bench is something that you throw a motherboard, cpu and gpu onto to test as per "test" bench.

Its not really supposed to be a case that you use daily. A daily case with open air design would be the Lian Li Dynamic 011 or the Thermaltake Core P3/P5.

[summer gorge]

Lmao

011

open air

[astral grail]

Im kinda confused at what he wants. Test benches to my knowledge cant hold fans

[summer gorge]

some can

Jay and GN have test benches with spots for fans

helps with AIOs

doubles as working with fans

I dont mess with test benches so I couldnt tell you any specific one

but they exist

[astral grail]

Gotcha. Yea I dont either

When they said open air like a mining rig my brain went to test bench

[rigid meteor]

@astral grail @summer gorge sorry about the confusion, its kinda exactly what sara said " test benches with spots for fans"

[tacit wren]

The open benchtable has fan mounts

[empty gull]

Looking at a new psu, should I get a Corsair cxf or rmx?aside from power rating, I’m unsure of what the difference is

[scenic lance]

CX-F is tier B and RMx is tier A

[subtle quail]

Where do you see the tier list of PSU?

Nvm found it

[normal edge]

Anyone have some advice on cable routing in this o11d xl

I figuee this thing would be easy, but lacks so much space

figured*

[open adder]

Should i use hybrid mode on psu?

[edgy tiger]

sure

[opal night]

What PSU?

[edgy tiger]

doesn't matter maybe makes it quieter

[opal night]

Hybrid button does different things on some PSU's.......

[edgy tiger]

true but most just turn on/off fans

[summer gorge]

emphasis on most

as in not all

[edgy tiger]

well the odds are

[summer gorge]

odds only matter when we are talking about specifric parts

not literally every single PSU with a hybrid mode

[opal night]

Assumptions cause more problems

[open adder]

@opal night antec hcg 750w

[vale pike]

Does Antec make good PSUs now? I think the three "Industry leaders" are EVGA, Seasonic, and Corsair.

[opal night]

EVGA is meh

Honestly, like anything else,

All of them have good and bad PSU's

[iron ether]

anyone have anything good/bad to say about the crystal case (other than price)

[elfin trout]

Remember, most of those brands rebrand PSUs made by other OEMs :D

[vale pike]

Seasonic makes a lot of PSUs for other OEMs

and evga

i think evga

[elfin trout]

Seasonic makes most of their own, but Corsair mostly uses CWT PSUs, EVGA is all over the place

Some Fortron, some HEC, some CWT, some others make EVGA PSUs

all depend on the model

[vale pike]

Does Antec have an OEM manufacturer or are they in house? By in house I mean they make it.

[elfin trout]

Oh and superflower

[vale pike]

Superflower sounds like a weird name to me

[elfin trout]

Antec is a bit all over the place too

superflower is a very good OEM

[vale pike]

How is a power supply a "flower?"

superflower is a good oem, dont get me wrong

[elfin trout]

They made EVGA G2 and P2 PSUs

Which are some of the best PSUs out there

[vale pike]

I like the EVGA P2 and T2 PSUs.

[elfin trout]

I think they made T2s too

Antec seems to mostly use Fortron and CWT PSUs

Looks like NeoEco line is CWT, earthwatt line is Fortron

[vale pike]

Antec isn't a dead brand, they turned into the "underdog" if you know what I mean. They're the underrated brand.

[minor portal]

Pc.boss, that command is disabled in this channel.

[elfin trout]

Antec HCG is made by Seasonic

and some NeoEco PSUs also made by seasonic

a bit all over the place

[vale pike]

Seasonic is a huge** brand

[edgy tiger]

yeah

[vale pike]

VERY BIG

and corsaie

corsair*

[edgy tiger]

but have had problems w seasonic

[opal night]

Some of their PSU's are garbage tho

[vale pike]

Which unit

[edgy tiger]

silverstone where it at

[vale pike]

Which seasonic unit

[edgy tiger]

gold units

[elfin trout]

Seasonic? S12iii

crap

[opal night]

yes

[edgy tiger]

450 and 700

[opal night]

S12II also

Gold isn't a model

Just an efficiency rating

[edgy tiger]

I swear it said gold all over the box, i know its also a rateing

[vale pike]

the s12iii is bronze

I recommend getting the PX units, they're the sweet spot

and for some higher power builds, I recommend the TX

I want the TX 1000 if I get a PC, it'll be perfect.

[elfin trout]

I mean

price

[opal night]

Ye

I mean, Enermax Revo DF

[elfin trout]

Other than Focus GM units at times, Seasonic branded units are usually not the best choice

(Unless you count Phanteks amp, seasonic platform, phanteks branding and good pricing)

[vale pike]

Does enermax make good PSUs?

[elfin trout]

It's by Fortron

[vale pike]

Enermax sounds like a chinese brand.

[elfin trout]

really good PSU

[vale pike]

enermax seems chinese

[elfin trout]

I mean

CWT is Chinese

[opal night]

It's not tho

[vale pike]

something reminiscent of deepcool

[opal night]

They're good PSU's

Just like Segotep

[elfin trout]

Most OEMs are Chinese

[opal night]

And Superflower

[elfin trout]

CWT Superflower (Who made G2, P2, likely T2)

[opal night]

Kingwin

Gamdias

[vale pike]

One of my favorite PSU makers is evga and corsair

[opal night]

All kinds of odd names that make good PSU's

[vale pike]

my most fav is seasonic

[elfin trout]

EVGA doesn't make the PSU

[opal night]

I'd take a Corsair over an EVGA any day lol

[elfin trout]

EVGA puts a brand name on a PSU made by a different OEM

CWT makes the platform for G2 P2 T2, EVGA just puts their name on it

I mean superflower makes g2/p2/t2

god damn it

CWT makes Corsair PSUs

RM, RMx, HX, CX all CWT made Corsair branded PSUs

I'll just throw in a screenshot from orion so I stop confusing myself

[vale pike]

What about the AX titanium from corsair (Ax850 and Ax1000)

[elfin trout]

Made by Seasonic it seems

Orion hasn't really been updated since 2017 or so, so it's missing out on a good amount of newer PSUs

[empty gull]

I’m guessing tier A is better than tier B? I have not heard of the tiering system before

[opal night]

yes

[empty gull]

Thank you

[opal night]

There's also color coding in the list

Indicating the best one of the tier and other things

[empty gull]

Well since the one is tier a, I’ll go with that one just since it’s a tier better

[summer gorge]

And Seasonic makes Phanteks PSUs

Similarly

[elfin trout]

yeye

[summer gorge]

Didn’t see it

[scenic lance]

Any cases y'all can recommend?

[snow spoke]

td500 mesh white prob, and set the rgb fans to baby blue

or does the costumer want a set color throughout the case?

[scenic lance]

They just said that.

I was thinking like.

What is that case

[snow spoke]

oh lmao that's so vague

[scenic lance]

Corsair smthing

it has like a diagonal front panel

[opal night]

https://smile.amazon.com/Apevia-Predator-PK-Gaming-Tempered-USB3-0/dp/B08DP6536Q/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=pink+pc+case&qid=1617291303&sr=8-2

[scenic lance]

220T?

[opal night]

https://smile.amazon.com/Apevia-Matrix-PK-Gaming-Tempered-USB3-0/dp/B08DPXJY84/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=pink+pc+case&qid=1617291331&sr=8-8

[scenic lance]

That looks like it might work

and damn, racer changed his pfp

[alpine fox]

I would have liked to have a purple case, but I'll have to settle for setting my RGB to purple.

[subtle snow]

What's a good reference for watt usage? Currently have a 650w and am curious if I need to upgrade to a 750w+ if I move from.my 1060 6gb to like a 3070?
Also have a r5 5600x and just fans, no water cooling nonsense

[fierce pivot]

650w is recommended so you should be fine, mine runs fine with a 600w and r5 3600 so

[elfin trout]

@subtle snow Good reference for power draw is to look at good testing, like here, ~250w max for the 3070 on average, maybe add another hundred watt in case of spikes, add another hundred watt for system power, maybe another hundred watt for the 5600x, 550w will be necessary, 650w will be just fine
https://youtu.be/NbZDERlshbQ?t=1692

[subtle snow]

Thanks a bunch folks!

[elfin trout]

I like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP4kABsIzuE

[fierce pivot]

Looks like a toilet with the text covering the bottom half and the tom half not being on lol

[main ermine]

is the phanteks p360a worth it?

[summer gorge]

It’s a fine case

Loved building in it

Careful with longer video cards tho, some can be kind of hard to fit

[edgy tiger]

Pretty much all phanteks p- series are winners

[summer gorge]

coughs in P400 front “”””mesh””””panel

[edgy tiger]

Sure, but you could do a lot worse and not bad prices I recall

[opal night]

Metallic Gear is even cheaper and made by Phanteks. Good cable management as well if you want super budget, $50-60

400mm GPu clearance

[summer gorge]

I don’t understand why it’s cheaper but I’ll take it

[viscid panther]

Is there a clone of the nzxt 710. I like that case but without front and top panel blocking air.

[sand atlas]

Take a look at the Corsair Airflow 5000d, it's fairly similar but mesh

[noble gull]

hmmmmmmm MESH

[sand atlas]

Yes, it's removable mesh on the front and side panels

[knotty blade]

seasonic gang. I have spoken.

[summer gorge]

There are good and bad Seasonic PSUs

[fierce pivot]

^

[summer gorge]

Same with just about every other company except AresGame

And some others

[knotty blade]

Focus Plus Gold more specifically

[summer gorge]

Seasonic is generally known for their good PSUs tho

[knotty blade]

its a great unit

[summer gorge]

Like, yeah, the Focus Gold

[fierce pivot]

Tbf EVGA has some pretty good PSUs, even tho i didn't pay much attention to model when i was buying 💀(ik a psu sin but i didn't really know diff back then )

[summer gorge]

BQ should be avoided

Not going to blow up but it’s pretty low tier

I think Supernova PSUs are decent, if not good

[fierce pivot]

It's a w1 600w i think

[opal night]

yikes

[fierce pivot]

Ik ik but at the time it was significantly cheaper than a 650w bronze

[scenic lance]

apparently the 500dx has better temps when it's on negative pressure

interesting

but it's really only off by like 1 degree

ima just grab the stock one, move the top fan to intake, and then have positive

less dust buildup

[scenic lance]

hm

screw it im just going to go with 1 more intake since positive airflow usually means less dust

and the diff was pretty miniscule

[fierce pivot]

good idea

[terse ibex]

Is the corsair crystal 680x good?

[west kite]

could someone give recommendations for nice looking case with good airflow thats good for a black out build? no rgb

[noble gull]

https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/1854

Quiet and mostly black

or P500A black model without RGB fans

or Corsair 5000D without RGB fans

[open quartz]

or 4000D airflow unless you need the space that the 5000D airflow has

also the corsair 4/5000D series for the black case all have tinted glass so if you want to see inside, gl

[noble gull]

It definitely a black case

[west kite]

mainly want it black and good airflow i was eying the fratcal design 7 compact but i felt like the airflow wasnt good

the p500 looks good is the gpu only can be side mounted?.

[open quartz]

you can do either or. do normal horizontal mount or vertical mount

imo i wouldnt recommend doing vertical mount unless you buy a third party vertical mount

[west kite]

ya was thinking of horizontal mount

will it fit my gigabyte aorus rtx 3080 ?

[open quartz]

it should

435mm is what they have listed for compatible gpu's

[west kite]

Ok thanks

[open quartz]

or again, consider the black 4/5000D for a true black out build with its tinted glass

[bleak fable]

Does corsair have good psus

[sand atlas]

Yes. Nice try.

[bleak fable]

Huh

[sand atlas]

Most of their PSUs are good. There's only a couple that are C tier or lower.

[bleak fable]

Ok which ones are bad

So I can avoid

[lyric sapphire]

I would stick with RM or AX series.

[elfin trout]

Just check tier list

All of the old PSUs are bad

CXm is bad

[sand atlas]

Good rule of thumb, and yeah just look at the list

[elfin trout]

That's about it

[bleak fable]

What about cv

[elfin trout]

CX is good, CX-F good, TXM good, RMx good

Cv bad

CV is the other bad one

[bleak fable]

Why

[elfin trout]

Prob missing protections, hard to check on mobile

[sand atlas]

Various reasons, easy to find out from googling "model name" testing

Tom's Hardware does a lot of those

[elfin trout]

No OCP on 12v rail lol

That's a yikes

[bleak fable]

Tom's hardware says its meh

Idk who Tom is tho

[elfin trout]

Lots of people do lots of reviews

[bleak fable]

Alot says it will do for the price

[elfin trout]

Either way, there's much better options than cv at the price

[bleak fable]

Ok

[elfin trout]

I mean, reviews on the w1 says it'll do for the price...

Anyways

[bleak fable]

What are issues if your psu is bad

[elfin trout]

Segotep is your friend for budget PSUs

[bleak fable]

What will even happen

[elfin trout]

@bleak fable if it's missing protections, it can catch on fire, literally

[sand atlas]

🔥 or 🌩️

[bleak fable]

Wow

What's protections

[elfin trout]

For example, when it's missing OCP, it can run too much current through the components, slowly burning itself up

OCP is over current protection, shuts the PSU off if there's too much current

[bleak fable]

Ok

I kinda get I

It

Umm I have a cv650 should I reconsider

U guys are scaring me lol

[elfin trout]

Eh, it's better than cv550, lemme check how the cv650 does again

[fallow cairn]

ah it's fine with a properly configured OPP on single rail units

[bleak fable]

What's that

[fallow cairn]

the main reason would be it's group regulated and double forward

aside from the 650w versions

[elfin trout]

@fallow cairn dunno if I trust cheap units with properly configured protections, and I don't think it's group regulated? Aparently 5v/3v rails have ocp but 12v doesn't

Unless this review is dumb

[bleak fable]

What's the rails

[fallow cairn]

na

all units aside from the 650w one are GR and DF

[elfin trout]

Wack

[bleak fable]

So am I ok

[elfin trout]

I guess this review is just dumb

Can't read the small text on mobile, is the 650w dc-dc?

[fallow cairn]

CV just upgraded VS anyways, (aside from the 650w version), which is again one of the worst units to have ever been sold

[bleak fable]

So I need a new psu

[elfin trout]

If it's dc-dc, 650w unit is usable

[fallow cairn]

yep

[elfin trout]

Nice

@fallow cairn what database do you use?

[fallow cairn]

650w is fine for most of the builds yes, just don't pair it with RDNA2/Ampere or high transient GPU's

[elfin trout]

Seems useful

[fallow cairn]

it would again be prone to coil whine

[fallow cairn]

PSU cultist's database

[bleak fable]

I have a 2060 s

[elfin trout]

Hmmm

[fallow cairn]

likely fine

[bleak fable]

And a r5 3600

So I do not need a psu

[fallow cairn]

here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eL0893Ramlwk6E3s3uSvH1_juom7SMG5SCNzP2Uov8w/edit#gid=1529225916

[elfin trout]

Lmao

I just realized

I always use that sheet

Never clicked on the unit index

I just use it for sources and check the sources myself

[fallow cairn]

I use it for finding out the warranty and the fan used

also for the supervisor IC

[elfin trout]

And that'll be my replacement for orion since that's gone for telling who OEMs what PSU

Where does it talk about fans...?

[fallow cairn]

Next to topologies

[elfin trout]

Hm

Fun fan companies I've never heard of

Other than san ace and delta

But I guess bearing is the most important

[tacit wren]

You guys really are PSU Cultists

[weary vine]

Ok so something Im seeing makes no sense so im just gonna ask here

[elfin trout]

No I just poke at PSUs from a distance with a stick, decks is the cultist

[weary vine]

The gigabyte b700h is stated as a D tier unit on the LTT forum

but if you google it, all you get are reviews recommending the unit

with the only issue being noise increases at 500W or above

could one of you tell me exactly what is wrong with it?

[elfin trout]

Group regulated

Tryna get used to reading this sheet from mobile

[weary vine]

whats that

[minor portal]

Decks#5664 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[weary vine]

dont think toms hardware would link to sites like that

dont think toms hardware would link to sites like that

[fallow cairn]

sites like what?

[fallow cairn]

group regulated units regulates 12v and 5v together

[sand atlas]

This review reads like a shill to me. Their "testing" was simply loading up AIDA64.
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/gigabyte-b700-80-plus-bronze-power-supply-review/

[fallow cairn]

use for 5v is part of the motherboard and storage

which is quite low

nowadays systems have the heaviest components on the 12v rail

When the 12v is loaded up far enough, the controller fails to keep the 5v in controll

[weary vine]

so basically it isnt the best but it cant damage my system?

[fallow cairn]

and it goes above the ATX spec

[fallow cairn]

it can

some of the units don't even have UVP

such as TT samrt

smart*

and it results in shorter life of the components

[weary vine]

what about my specific unit?

B700H

[fallow cairn]

B700H?

[weary vine]

yeah

[fallow cairn]

Nice testing right there

[elfin trout]

Sheet doesn't have much info other than being GR

[sand atlas]

"This is within safe limits so your computer won't catch fire"
Proceeds to catch fire
Reviewer gets sued

[fallow cairn]

B700H is the standard GR-DF unit, at least it's got a somewhat decent DBB fan

uhh no OTP

so that's not very good

[weary vine]

I have 0 knowledge about psu so telling me like im a little kid would be very helpful pls

[fallow cairn]

OTP is over temperature protection

[elfin trout]

It won't shut itself off if it starts burning itself

[fallow cairn]

it shuts down the unit when it goes beyond a certain temprature

[weary vine]

wow

[fallow cairn]

it's very useful in case of a fan failiure

[sand atlas]

The Gigabyte BH series earned its place as a tier D, recommended only for super cheap systems with no GPU

[fallow cairn]

since the unit won't overheat itself

[weary vine]

I chose it because 700W and semi modular ngl

[fallow cairn]

https://ru.gecid.com/data/power/201608030800-45075/img/24_gigabyte_gp-b700h.jpg

The main transformer actually gets pretty hot

[elfin trout]

Also, what bearing is FDB?
Fluid ??? Bearing

[sand atlas]

Dynamic

[elfin trout]

Gotcha

[fallow cairn]

Fluid dynamic bearing

it uses grooving to lubricate the rotor shaft

it's good but not as good as DBB

then there would be some in-house bearings as well

like Twister

made by enermax

it uses magnetic stabilization with a fluid based bearing

[elfin trout]

Well, the general consensus I got for fluid bearing fans for case fan is generally bad

Magnetic stabilization with fluid base bearing sounds like Noctua's SSO2 lel

[sand atlas]

Dust can get into the bearing and ends up getting loud after a relatively short time with FDB

[fallow cairn]

SS02 is a modified sleeve

with magnetic assist

[elfin trout]

"self-stabilising oil-pressure bearing (SSO bearing)"

[fallow cairn]

this would be FDB

it will pull the lubricant up as it moves, self-lubrication

[elfin trout]

Hm

It seems sso still uses oil to lubricate itself

[fallow cairn]

I still 😴 since I don't care about any Noctua fan to have been ever made except one

[elfin trout]

Nf-a12x25

Which is sso2

[fallow cairn]

[elfin trout]

Wot

[fallow cairn]

lol

anyways iil just drop this list here since it's related to cases
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zmx-66GtJ0-9qxVhZbTIK4AJNR_d2cik9xXfQsTcM5Y/edit#gid=1545449054

[elfin trout]

Cases are weird

Maybe I'll look at that sheet in the morning

[fervent elk]

Hey

[chrome iris]

Segotep

[normal goblet]

should i keep my psu on normal or hybrid?

[sand atlas]

I'd do hybrid so the fan only runs when needed

[normal goblet]

ok

[sand atlas]

Unless you get some of the rare problems that can occur, then swap back to normal

[normal goblet]

ight ok

[fervent elk]

Should I replace my psu

I’ve got an aresgame psu💀

[opal night]

Yes

[chrome iris]

How are these voltages yo

[opal night]

Why is 5V so low

[sand atlas]

It's within tolerance (usually 15%) but I'd be concerned

[scenic dome]

Hey I got an Thermaltake Smart 600W PSU, and I can't find how to switch it to 230V

Because I bought a prebuilt and in the insruction guide I got it told me to do it because my country uses this voltage

[fallow cairn]

which TT smart?

[scenic dome]

TT?

[lethal ridge]

that's the abbreviation for ThermalTake

[scenic dome]

Oh I'm not sure

How do I know that?

[lethal ridge]

and oh btw the psu don't always pul 600w

600w is just the psu's rated max voltage

if it says 600w doesn't mean it'd always pull 600w

[brazen lodge]

what psu should i get?

[scenic dome]

alright

[lethal ridge]

it'd be fine unless it's some high power prebuilt with questionable 600w psu

that's what you're going to look out for more

[scenic dome]

So what about this?

oh cant show images

[lethal ridge]

#build-pics

[brazen lodge]

is a EVGA a good psu?

[scenic dome]

In the insturction I got it said Note: International customers will need to set the PSU from 115V to 230V.

[fallow cairn]

wattage, not voltage

[lethal ridge]

eh ok

[scenic dome]

There isn't a switch for it or something like that

[lethal ridge]

it just flows the power to your system

system needs the tweaking

if it ever needs one

which prebuilt tho

[scenic dome]

https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/abs-ali489/p/N82E16883360084?Item=N82E16883360084

this one

I just don't want to fry my psu or something

[lethal ridge]

wow thanks wegg

[lethal ridge]

find ur psu in the psu tier list

[scenic dome]

tier list?

[lethal ridge]

[scenic dome]

can't find it

[lethal ridge]

i meant discord pinned messages

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/

[scenic dome]

Yeah I checked the list and I don't know what you want

[fallow cairn]

lol you don't need to search the tier list for your PSU

[lethal ridge]

pls just either tell me that prebuilt's psu or find it on the tier list

[minor portal]

Decks#5664 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[fallow cairn]

we already know it's bad

😑

[lethal ridge]

welp

[scenic dome]

Well I can't find any mention of thermaltake smart

[lethal ridge]

ah wait

[fallow cairn]

it's tier D

but I don't go by a tier list so

[scenic dome]

alright that didn't answer my question

[fallow cairn]

I asked you which TT smart, there are like 10 versions

[lethal ridge]

welp if u don't want to risk your parts burning , then sell that psu and buy a reliable one

[scenic dome]

This still doesn't answer my question

sent the pic in #build-pics

[lethal ridge]

Cooler Master MWE Gold 650w
Seasonic Focus GM/GX650
Seasonic Core GM/GX650
Segotep GP-G 600w

[scenic dome]

...

[lethal ridge]

wait

[fallow cairn]

@scenic dome there would be a switch like this

[scenic dome]

Can't find it

That's the problem

[fallow cairn]

which is fine, most units are suitable within a specified range

like 110v-230v

so it won't need any changing

[scenic dome]

can it switch automatically?

[fallow cairn]

they automatically detect the input voltage and set it themselves

[scenic dome]

thanks

[fallow cairn]

Np, your unit still isn't a good one though so beware

[scenic dome]

I was just worried that I would fry it

sure

[chrome iris]

I’m using it in a really low end build, 750 Ti + i5-2400. It’s a 600w Rosewill unit.
Also using 120gb SSD + 3.5” 500gb HDD.
Think that would work? I’m listing Storage cause I know sata uses 5v rail

[opal night]

Don't use it, it's too low

[chrome iris]

[marble nimbus]

i need help any1 have any case recommendations?

[fierce pivot]

Budget for case?

But i think the 4000d airflow and 5000d airflow are really good

[marble nimbus]

nah i just need a good airflow case thats all

i bought a used h510i off my friend for 50$ and i want a better case

[fierce pivot]

4000d airflow is cheaper but 5000d airflow is better at airflow, and slightly bigger

[marble nimbus]

ok

[elfin trout]

Td500 mesh

P400a

P500a

Lancool ii mesh

[scenic lance]

lancool 215 or 500dx?

i like both of them

they have everything i want on a case

but is the 500dx worth the extra $20?

[pseudo moat]

is a Evga 600BQ enough for a 3060ti and a ryzen 3100?

[sand atlas]

Yes

[pseudo moat]

sick

[elfin trout]

@scenic lance I say 215, I like 215 over 500dx lel

[bold sand]

So earlier today I cleaned my PC and upgraded my CPU cooler, and when I go to turn on the PC, I hear a clicking sound coming from my PSU. I took it out of the case to look at it and when I tried turning it on again, it didn't do anything at all. When turning the PSU on/off and plugging it into the wall the fan doesnt click that often, but when I listen closely I can hear electricity in the PSU, so i know it's receiving power but it's not sending it to the computer for whatever reason. Any ideas for troubleshooting? I have a 5-6 month old SeaSonic S12III 500w if it helps

[elfin trout]

aw crap s12iii, but let's run through some troubleshooting anyways

@bold sand standard reset cmos maybe?

[bold sand]

How can I do that?

[elfin trout]

Works for both intel and amd.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[bold sand]

Got the battery out, gonna wait a few minutes then put it back in

Nope

I'll try leaving it out for longer

[bold sand]

@elfin trout So it worked, and I'm sure it would have worked the first time if I had pressed the power button lmao

Thanks for your help

[elfin trout]

:D

[novel delta]

what is a goood wattage for a 3700x and 3070

and then like whats a good one

[elfin trout]

what's the budget

[novel delta]

oh sup mr1111 nice to see u again whata good price i just got a good stimmy

[elfin trout]

hi there, it's either ~110$ for high end unit, or close to 70$ cheap-ish unit

[novel delta]

high end

[elfin trout]

Amp 750w:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07W5RSX99

great unit

[opal night]

I have. Can confirm

[elfin trout]

may or may not have had a segotep unit ready for low end ;)

[novel delta]

yea idk im gettong a new one bc planning for future build and my pc is making a screeching noise

[elfin trout]

Can you isolate from which component the noise is coming from?

screeching is prob either GPU or PSU coil whine

[novel delta]

gpu bad?

[elfin trout]

Coil whine isn't bad, it's just very annoying

[novel delta]

yea good hing i can only here is when my headset is off

[elfin trout]

Also, sad LTT cultists hasn't added details to segotep stuff

[novel delta]

ordered the ps thanks guys

[elfin trout]

nice

[novel delta]

one step closer to mining!

[elfin trout]

lol

[novel delta]

i would never

i just want to game and stream

[elfin trout]

eh, mining isn't actually bad, even for supply, Nvidia and AMD said nothing about miners making any impact on overall supply situation and such :P

Nothing wrong with mining on your spare gpu or spare time

[novel delta]

i mean when mi upgrade i have this 2060 super sooooo

[sand atlas]

Conservative guesses I've seen are that around 10% or less of supply has gone to miners

[novel delta]

thats if i can within even a year

[elfin trout]

tbh I'd personally put it lower, but I don't have good data

[sand atlas]

Yeah that was the "worst case" guess, most others say 5% or so

[elfin trout]

sounds fair

[fallow cairn]

Earthwatts is a bit cheaper but eh it's a lottery between sleeve/FDB anyways

[elfin trout]

eh, I like amp for 10 year warranty lol

just nice

[fallow cairn]

Earthwatts dosen't have the same period for warranty?

[elfin trout]

Antec offers 7 years on earthwatts

[fallow cairn]

ah

[fallow cairn]

then there's also this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v3VG3C/msi-mpg-a-gf-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpg-a750gf

[elfin trout]

tbh I want good reviews on it

but

same price

might as well good ol amp

[fallow cairn]

it's CWT GPU lol what could go wrong

internally same as Revo DF/ whisper M

[elfin trout]

hm

[fallow cairn]

with some small differences like a slightly worse fan

it's the same for all the CWT GPU lineup

[sand atlas]

I like my Corsair RMx for the 10 year warranty too

[elfin trout]

oh aparently revo d.f. 650w is on it

I was going to say

doesn't seem multi rail to me

interesting

[fallow cairn]

https://ithardware.pl/testyirecenzje/test_zasilacza_msi_mpg_a850gf_mocny_konkurent_wkracza_na_rynek-13787-1.html

[elfin trout]

aparently RM is based off a modified GPU too

[fallow cairn]

RMx yes

[elfin trout]

RM 2019 grey label

[fallow cairn]

wait what

[fallow cairn]

huh how tf did I miss that

[elfin trout]

dunno

interesting tho

[fallow cairn]

indeed

RM with the sus'con caps

[elfin trout]

yep

dunno how they're rated for 105c

but they are

aparently

[opal night]

That MSI has worse voltage regulation than the S12III. Still within tolerance but.....

[fallow cairn]

which page

[elfin trout]

not in 12v where it really matters tho

page 11

Oh worse in 3.3v and 5v, but better in 12v

[opal night]

Yeah, the Focux GX platform beats it by a bit

https://ithardware.pl/testyirecenzje/test_zasilacza_msi_mpg_a850gf_mocny_konkurent_wkracza_na_rynek-13787-10.html

[opal night]

Yeah

Compared to other PSU's pricing in Poland it's good.

12V line also low

[fallow cairn]

ah it's pretty loose on 3.3v and 5v yea

[opal night]

It never hit 12 VDC in testing

Always low

NOt much

Sagged to 11.76

But 125% load

I think for the same money the AMP performs better yeah?

Not like mere mortals would notice tho

XD

[fallow cairn]

yea not like it actually matters for consumers

I would still take the A-GF for quieter fan though

[opal night]

IDK, I can't even hear my AMP

Can't even feel air blowing out the back of it

[fallow cairn]

fan profile on the amp pretty wack lol
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/khQj9thVkpyzJRs2JBS37a-970-80.png

manageable but still worse than the A-GF

[opal night]

Really

I wonder if they've changed it?

I seriously NEVER feel air blowing out of it

And it's not in Hybrid mode

I'll load it up tomorrow and check again

[elfin trout]

do you draw much power from it?

[opal night]

Depends, maybe 500W

[elfin trout]

like, what componets

[opal night]

450w

[fallow cairn]

well it's given "LAMBDA-S++", I think that was for when a unit reached an average of 35-40dB or was it 30-35?

[elfin trout]

maybe a furmark+p95 smallfft time?

[opal night]

Ye

Even at 450W it should still be almost max fan

[tacit wren]

Does it have a button to toggle hybrid mode? I always turn it off

[fallow cairn]

It does, yes

[empty ember]

guys i need help with my virtual cable people cant hear my voice with it and only my soundboard

[surreal magnet]

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-01GM-00001

bruh

the chinese-english in this is quite entertaining

ahh yes, the before of the case

[dapper ingot]

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-masterwatt-series-mpx-5501-amaab-us-550w/p/N82E16817171115?Item=N82E16817171115&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-Mz8h9_qzm7hPRq5OO66J0g

hey guys\

how is this

[fierce pivot]

way overpriced for a 550w

[elfin trout]

It's like the price of an amp or something lol

[fierce pivot]

https://www.amazon.com/Segotep-Gaming-Supply-Certified-Non-Modular/dp/B0832KN3RV/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=segotep&qid=1617664733&sr=8-5 https://www.amazon.com/Segotep-Fully-Modular-Supply-Certified/dp/B08W47MX46/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=segotep&qid=1617664733&sr=8-4 get that instead

either of those

[elfin trout]

Segotep bae

[topaz robin]

i forget where i saw this, but what is this magical case?

[elfin trout]

snowblind prob

[topaz robin]

ah yeah that looks right

[tacit wren]

Honestly shocked that isn't displaying a dancing anime girl

[elfin trout]

@tacit wren how dare you insult lord gaben

[crimson galleon]

I can't seem to find any info on if the 4000D comes with fans, any info?

[elfin trout]

@crimson galleon look at the spec image I sent from newegg :P

[crimson galleon]

Ok, thanks <3

[elfin trout]

just scroll down :)

[open adder]

You get 2 fans with the 4000d airflow

[edgy tiger]

Yeah

And they are pretty good

[fierce pivot]

I believe it comes one in front one in the back

[alpine fox]

I think my case only has one fan, which I'm planning to pull to replace with the pack of RGB fans I bought. (Keep it as backup in case any of the shiny fans fail, though)

[fierce pivot]

Unless it's a 5 or 6 pack you can probs use in addition if you don't have an aio

[alpine fox]

It is a five pack.

And the case only has slots for five fans total.

[distant urchin]

Can you run a 3070 on a 550 w psu? google didnt give me a good enough answer

[sand atlas]

I wouldn't recommend trying that. It'll probably either shut off under heavy load or overheat and melt the PSU

650 is recommended

[distant urchin]

damn okay😂

[fierce pivot]

Min spec is 600w

[rotund spire]

whats a cool cheap case

[elfin trout]

@rotund spire depends on what you call cool

you want style or do you want cooling

Cooling, mx330-g air for 50$

[rotund spire]

style

[elfin trout]

Style... ehm...

what do you call cheap

[rotund spire]

because i wanted a montech x2 but not sure

something below 80

[elfin trout]

ngl everything under 100$ is basically just another metal box

but well

p360a is nice looking

275r airflow might be cool if you like the patterns on the front panel

[rotund spire]

I’ll check it out thanks

[elfin trout]

oh yea and lancool 215 if you like looks of thicc fans

[fallow cairn]

Not really, a good 550w PSU should handle a 3070+a mid-end CPU such as the 10400/3600
https://tpucdn.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-3070-xlr8-revel-epic-x-rgb/images/power-consumption.png
https://www.igorslab.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/04-Peak-Power.png

for the second pic, the charge in the DC caps of the unit in the secondary side should handle such bursts

even then, with a good unit with properly set protections, all that will happen is it will trip OPP and safely shut down

it wont burn or melt

Unless we're talking about a really really crappy unit

[alpine fox]

For my build (when I finally get to it), I don't plan to go lower than a 650w.

[sand atlas]

Considering a lot of CPUs in the current and even last gen can eat 200W... I say 650W is safe. 200 CPU + 350 GPU + 100 "other".

Yes, a low tier CPU will use less power. I don't make recommendations based on low tier parts paired with high tier parts.

[fallow cairn]

10400 isn't really a low tier CPU

most flagships can even exceed 200w, I admit but we can't assume an average guy buying his build for gaming is going to take a flagship CPU such as the 11900k/10900k/9900k and pair it with a 550w PSU

[sand atlas]

I think we can agree that generalizing advice with a minimal set of information is difficult at best. If we at least knew what CPU they had it would help a lot.

[elfin trout]

The answer is just "Depends", really, it's not that 550w won't work, nor 550w will always work, nor 650w will always work

[meager narwhal]

Best psu sub $120 700w

650 would work as well

[elfin trout]

amp

a-gf should be good

[west kite]

I just got this case like two days ago

And already the glass is like this inside

[opal night]

Static

Wipe it down with some dryer sheets

[west kite]

Is it cause I got 6 exhaust and 3 intake fans?

[opal night]

Ohhhhh

yeah lol

[west kite]

Dryer sheers will prevent this?

[opal night]

That too!

Well, dryer sheets will prevent static cling

BUt you need to change up those fans

More exhaust than intake = negative pressure and sucking dust in too

[west kite]

So change my top from exhaust to intake?

[opal night]

No, Top should be exhaust

That's a LIan Li isn't it

[west kite]

So side intake rhen

Ya lian li dynamic

[opal night]

That case is kinda whack for airflow TBH

TO balance it properly

[west kite]

So the three side is intake too then?

[opal night]

I would and turn down the front/side intakes to not overpower the exhaust.

Decrease RPM

[west kite]

Ya my top three is z73 is exhaust and 3 silent wing 3 2200rpm on bottom as intake and the side is 3 silent wings 3 2200rpm exhaust

So flip the side to intake not the top?

Why not the top :0

[opal night]

Because heat rises, don't fight the heat trying to get out of the case, help it get out by sucking it out the top

[west kite]

I have all the fans set to auto right now xD

But thanks will do it