cases-psu-and-cooling

[opal night]

stand by

https://www.newegg.com/black-corsair-icue-220t-rgb-airflow-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811139142?Item=N82E16811139142

[scenic lance]

@opal night I got the nzxt h510

[opal night]

https://www.newegg.com/black-lian-li-lancool-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-000Z-00061?Item=2AM-000Z-00061

[elfin trout]

guess I'll make my inputs and find some links

[opal night]

The Montech's are good for the money

https://www.newegg.com/black-montech-x1-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-00CN-00011?Item=9SIAK91BP31140

[elfin trout]

I prefer this over montech
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147297

[scenic lance]

Hoping it works decent with an aio cooler and neutral pressure configuration

[opal night]

it doesn't work well period

Worst airflow case ever

[scenic lance]

don't tell me that

[opal night]

Sorry

Facts are facts

[scenic lance]

now your making me sad

[opal night]

not trying to make you sad

[scenic lance]

ik

any work arounds

[opal night]

Remove the front pop off panel so the fans can breathe

[scenic lance]

yea i was thinking bout that

[opal night]

Seriously, a 1" strip of holes on two edges for air

[scenic lance]

hello dust

[opal night]

That's not enough

It has a filter in the front

under the cover

[scenic lance]

I really hope nzxt manages to improve on their cooling while keeping their nice designs and looks

[opal night]

I mean

The p500A for $100 is the best there is IMO

Screws come organized in a plastic container

Cable management is top tier

I mean, it's fantastic

[scenic lance]

The reason I bought the h510 is because it's compact

cause i don't have a loot of space in my room for it

[opal night]

P500A is the same size as my H440 from NZXT

Probs same as H510 also

[scenic lance]

no like 2in wider and 2in taller

[opal night]

Close

P360A or P400 then

[scenic lance]

yea the P400 would be kinda perfect

[rigid patrol]

is the GAMMA II 650W good

[opal night]

Montech?

[rigid patrol]

yea

[opal night]

It's OK, Tier C

[rigid patrol]

ok

looking 80 PLUS GOLD Certified
for 650 watts

[opal night]

Gold doesn't indicate quality, if you didn't know that

Just power efficiency from wall to components

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-cx-series-cx650-650w/p/N82E16817139200

https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-core-series-core-gm-650-650w/p/N82E16817151244

[bleak oar]

would it be okay to use a used PSU in my system?

it’s like 2 years old

[opal night]

Yes. If it has all the connections you need

and the wattage you need

[bleak oar]

okay im just trying to save some cash here and there

because i had a 1250 w gold but it’s 7 years old and i think it kicked the bucket

[opal night]

My PSU is 5 years old and still kicking

https://www.newegg.com/evga-650-b5-220-b5-0650-v1-650w/p/N82E16817438166

[rigid patrol]

i am geting that

5 years is a long time

[opal night]

if it still work, it still works

[gentle acorn]

Does Antec make it's own PSU's or are they getting them from Great Wall / Seasonic / Sparkle or one of the other OEM's ?

[gentle acorn]

Power supplies can lose as much as 20~25% their rated capacity in the first three to five years of life. They are not meant to last more than 5 years unless you bought a really good brand. Keep in mind older supplies may not have all the EPS12V (12v cpu power for motherboard/cpu area) connectors you need for a newer motherboard.
Better made power supplies may still happily provide 90% or more of their rated capacity 5~6 years down the road, such as mid-tier or higher Seasonic power supplies.
Keep in mind when buying many brands, that they may only be a logo and support package for another OEM's power supply. That's not to say a power supply cannot be improved by a label's desired specified changes over even one of Seasonic's industry-leading designs. So you may get a good power supply from Corsair that was a great reliable long-lasting Seasonic OEM unit, in all but name - but then a few years later when you get the next one it may be a Channel-Well-Tech or Greatwall unit that may or may not be as well built. Always check reviews to be sure, full load ripple is a good indicator of a quality power supply.

That said I will sound like a 'shill' or a 'fanboy', but I'm a Seasonic customer for life now, after they replaced a defective unit with sagging 3.3v line on it, in the last month of a 5 year warranty with a unit that looked and smelled brand new without as much as a scratch on it. RMA took about 10 days including weekends and I'm out in the boonies.

[opal night]

Great wall PSU's aren't bad. Model > brand. Might also want to read up on some of Seasonics PSU's. Model > brand definitely applies to them.

[gentle acorn]

No haggling etc, no complaints, no run-around, no extreme wait for service. I am wholly impressed by both Seasonic and Noctua. They make solid products and back it with the all-too-important (but hope you never need it) service. I wish ASUS service was even close to that good.

[opal night]

With Seasonic, if it ain't a Focus or Core, don't buy it. Especially the S12 series

[gentle acorn]

@opal night Yes, I do understand about that much. There can be some good models even by Sparkle (Sparkle makes everything from a 5$ or free throw-away supply to a very rock-solid server design).
I never had too much trouble with Seasonic supplies but I didn't bother with the S12's either.
Still can't for the life of me remember if Antec currently makes it's own power supplies though.

I look at ripple and voltage sag/creep under full load, and how far the unit will go past full load until ripple or fluctuation gets out of ATX/EPS spec.

[warm lark]

can someone send me pcpp wattage calculator pls

[opal night]

It's really inaccurate

Just FYI

[quaint tulip]

I built two identical machines and it showed different results.

[opal night]

I mean, you can use it, just add 10% or more to the outcome to be safe

[elfin trout]

@quaint tulip I seriously doubt that, because they do list where the numbers are coming from, and that's tdp numbers for each part

But tdp isn't an accurate representation of total power draw

[opal night]

Nope. TDP dosn't factor boost clock wattages, just base

[elfin trout]

It's good for a sense of the power draw, but it'll be capable of drawing much more

[quaint tulip]

It was 5w different

And they weren't both at the same time

[elfin trout]

Different versions of GPUs have different PLs

[opal night]

always give yourself some overhead

[elfin trout]

(pcpp isn't accurate for total system draw, but it can be good for looking at tdp)

[opal night]

ye

[warm lark]

o ok

uh do u have it

[elfin trout]

Make a list, click on estimated wattage
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Usually I look at that, and then look up actual CPU and GPU power draw testing, and then swap those numbers in, and you'll get close to actual power draw

[sharp lintel]

Is aresgame a trustworthy psu brand. Most of their products are cheaper than more known brands but i just want to make sure its good because power supplys are the one thing that if you buy it wrong its going to kill your pc

[opal night]

Mmmm, I wouldn't

[elfin trout]

There's also the accurate CPU power draw + accurate GPU power draw +100-120w total rest-of-system draw

[sharp lintel]

Ive been using a corsair 600w and lately its been malfunctioning a little so i need a new psu

[opal night]

malfunctioning how?

[elfin trout]

You sure it's the PSU malfunctioning?

[sharp lintel]

Yeah

[opal night]

Why do you think that?

[teal flare]

, theres a 5 star aresgame psu on amazon with 1,230 ratings

[sharp lintel]

The psu will randomly stop supplying power to the pc

[elfin trout]

PSU is usually

1. Working
2. Doesn't boot
3. Blew up

[sharp lintel]

And it gets extremely hot after like 10 minutes

[opal night]

Are your components overloading it?

[elfin trout]

Randomly shutting down is 99% chance a problem with the rest of the components

[amber bay]

Do all non modular power supplies come with the right pins to support all gpus

[elfin trout]

Unless you hear a loud pop, that's the PSU protecting itself

[sharp lintel]

No i dont have anything overclocked and my entire pc is only using 558 w

[opal night]

Anbd you have a 600W PSU?

[sharp lintel]

Yeah

[opal night]

Overloaded lol

[amber bay]

Do all non modular power supplies come with the right pins to support all gpus

[elfin trout]

I'm still guessing it's other stuff being unstable or something randomly crashing

[sharp lintel]

Ill check if all the parts are connected right

[elfin trout]

@amber bay a 400w non-mod unit isn't going to have 3x8 pin to fit an AIB RTX 3090, so no

[sharp lintel]

For now im just doing a hard shutdown on the pc

[elfin trout]

Not all GPUs

[opal night]

I mean, using 95% of a PSU like that will make them get hot and shut down

[warm lark]

o yea

[amber bay]

I have a 650 watt and want to buy a 3060

[elfin trout]

Well

[amber bay]

Will that be fine

[elfin trout]

@opal night depends on the unit

[warm lark]

how do i know which pins i need for my gpu

[elfin trout]

Crappy units yes

[opal night]

Especially if it's a CXM

[warm lark]

im getting a 1650

[elfin trout]

Good units can handle overload

If it's like RM/RMx, psu not the issue

[sharp lintel]

But my psu has been working fine for 2 years

[opal night]

What model?

[elfin trout]

If it's like cv, CXm, vs, rest of the crappy bois

[sharp lintel]

It only just started acting up yesterday

[opal night]

Everything works fine until it doesn't

Just sayin'

[amber bay]

Will my 650 PSU have the pins for a 3060

Watt

[opal night]

Also, power supplies lose rated capacity over time

[sharp lintel]

Corsair sf600

[amber bay]

Will my 650 PSU have the pins for a 3060

Pls somone respond

[elfin trout]

@amber bay look it up

[amber bay]

ok

[elfin trout]

Newegg page will list connectors

Product page should

[amber bay]

Ok

[elfin trout]

As long as it's not Corsair

[amber bay]

It's Corsair

[elfin trout]

Corsair product pages suck

[amber bay]

Lol

I think

Lemme

[elfin trout]

I'm yet to find a CX manual

After what, 6 months of passively looking for one

[opal night]

I mean, if it's 2+ years old, it's probably lost rated capacity so...afe bet your 600W isn't 600W anymore and your system is pulling too much power

[amber bay]

It's Corsair lol

[sharp lintel]

Should i go for a 800w?

[opal night]

Witha 3080?

[sharp lintel]

No

Im using a 5600xt

[elfin trout]

Phanteks amp 650w/750w

Investing in a good PSU is good

[opal night]

650/750 yeah

good one

[elfin trout]

But are you sure the problem is PSU

[sharp lintel]

Yeah

[elfin trout]

Windows screwing around, driver instability, etc?

[opal night]

I mean, they're at 95% capacity on a 2+ year old PSU that gets hot.

[sharp lintel]

All my drivers are updated and all parts are plugged in right

I dont see any signs of board frying

[elfin trout]

@opal night usually it'd just give up from otp or something, but it sounds like "soft" shutting down

[opal night]

Yes

[elfin trout]

Not like protection go pop

[sharp lintel]

Is this one good?

[elfin trout]

Phanteks amp

[sharp lintel]

Its going to arrive Tuesday

[elfin trout]

Still worth looking at other bits and see if they're causing the shutting down

[sharp lintel]

Im running diagnostics rn

And the psu is already really hot

[quaint tulip]

So... If I am getting a sfx psu and I'm planning on upgrading to a 5900x and 3080 (probably ti) what power rating do I need?

[sharp lintel]

So it says the problem is probably due to a power overload

It may have fried the psu capacitors

[opal night]

Not fried, they dry up over time

Moreso with heat and high power draw

[sharp lintel]

Just to be safe im getting a new one

[gentle acorn]

If you have any overclocked components, remove said overclocks until you get a larger power supply, and avoid running fancy 3d games etc, until it's replaced so you don't kill it and cause it to suicide taking your components along with it. @sharp lintel

[opal night]

If they were fried it wouldn't work

[sharp lintel]

Nothing is overclocked

[elfin trout]

@quaint tulip efficiency rating wise, efficiency rating doesn't really matter in the face of PSU quality

[gentle acorn]

Running stock 3950x, x570 mobo, 6 sata and 1 nvme drive, 2070 super, no OC's, 6 fans no water cooling on 620w Seasonic PSU and PSU barely even gets warm to the touch. Just for the record.

[sharp lintel]

I remember almost a year ago i was putting in a new mobo and i accidentally pulled and slightly ripped the cable of the psu. That may be one of the causes

[gentle acorn]

@sharp lintel just buy a larger power supply unit bud, get a good brand

[sharp lintel]

The one i ordered looks good its from evga

[opal night]

The GA?

[gentle acorn]

EVGA is alright, not the best, but if you're on a budget they aren't a bad choice. If you have lots of money, find a good Seasonic model or look up power supply reviews that focus on ripple at full load and go from there, less ripple = happy components that live long time.

[opal night]

That's a Tier B PSU, should be fine

[gentle acorn]

I throw those EVGA cheap units in email computers when the power supplies give out after so many years of use, and sometimes you get a dodgy fitting cable etc, and the connectors feel kind of cheap on the lower models, but that's with a lot of brands too. They do work and seem to last alright, for the price I can't throw flak at them.

[opal night]

Again, model > Brand

[sharp lintel]

For the price and the fact that its fully modular makes it a good deal

[opal night]

It has good power ratings too and ripple tests, etc

It's fine

[quaint tulip]

I was asking about wattage

[opal night]

5900/3080? Shoot for 750w

[sharp lintel]

Its got 5 stars

[gentle acorn]

thats a given when you're in the pc hardware tech industry for 25+ years

[quaint tulip]

I ok, that was what I was looking at but that list said 850 so that had me wondering

I currently have a 750 bronze

[opal night]

As long as it's a quality unit, it'll be fine

SFX is going to be hard to do though because of form factor

[quaint tulip]

SilverStone Technology 800W SFX-L, 80 Plus Titanium 100% Modular Power Supply with Japanese Capacitors SX800-LTI-USA, SST-SX800-LTI-USA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N6FB8NC/ref=cm_sw_r_u_apa_fabc_hM77FbPCR7E5T?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[sharp lintel]

How much watts does the 3060 use?

[opal night]

600 is recommended

[quaint tulip]

That's the most recent one I had found. But some of the older reviews weren't great

[opal night]

Actually, that SX-LTi is a good one

Tier B at least

This list is a good handy quick chart

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

Just do a search

[quaint tulip]

I was having a hard time finding one. Especially sfxl

[elfin trout]

green units are sfx/sfx-l

[opal night]

Yeah, high wattage SFX are tough to find and spendy

[quaint tulip]

Definitely. I currently am looking at the lian li 011dx mw but that may change by the time I do the build

[opal night]

I mean, those are some high powered components in a small case, make sure you have plenty of airflow

[quaint tulip]

My rig doesn't really "need" an upgrade. So most of my plans are future. And I am planning on a minimum of 5 120mm fans

Probably will end up doing a layout similar to this, fan wise

[scenic lance]

is the corsair cv550 a good power supply for a low-mid end gaming pc? theres been mixed reviews.

[opal night]

Avoid

CX or RM

[elfin trout]

and that doesn't apply to CXm, avoid CXm too

[scenic lance]

could you recommend me a good power supply? i dont really wanna get a bad one and screw everything up

keep in mind im canadian so

[opal night]

Corsair CX series, Rm series, Phanteks AMP,

NOT CX-M lol

[elfin trout]

Any A and B tier PSUs on the ltt tier list

[opal night]

Why isn't that pinned here BTW?

Should be

[normal goblet]

Dude

@opal night

[elfin trout]

it's pinned in #building-and-recc-chat

[opal night]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

[normal goblet]

The h 510 elite

[opal night]

I know but this is MUCH more appropriate lol

[elfin trout]

not here yet

heh

I mean, ig discussions here might make more use of this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eL0893Ramlwk6E3s3uSvH1_juom7SMG5SCNzP2Uov8w/edit?usp=sharing

this is their sources of the reviews for the tier list

[opal night]

What about H510 elite?

Really bad airflow

[normal goblet]

@opal night the h510 elite has 2 240 mm fans at the front

[opal night]

So what?

The intake is a 1" strip of holes lol

[elfin trout]

it has what

[opal night]

Fans do no good if the air can't get to them

[normal goblet]

But the glass in front of it

[elfin trout]

2x240mm fans?

lol what

[normal goblet]

Can be removed

[opal night]

140mm

[elfin trout]

makes more sense

[normal goblet]

Ok

[elfin trout]

elite is a worse offender than the normal h510

[opal night]

That's what I told the last guy.

[normal goblet]

Sorry my b

[elfin trout]

because it makes the fans suck on glass

[normal goblet]

Ok

[opal night]

If you get an NZXT you gotta remove the front panel

[scenic lance]

man this is a lil overwhelming 8/

[normal goblet]

Thx you guys are so helpful

[opal night]

Otherwise no flow

YW

[gentle acorn]

@elfin trout thanks for the 411 on the power supplies via the spread sheet, that's useful x10.

[elfin trout]

:)

it's a link on the PSU tier list

it's just smol

[gentle acorn]

Spreadsheet info is always useful to have when I need it, because I can save it and easily get it later at a moments notice, appreciated.

[scenic lance]

man it is hard to find a reasonably priced quality psu in canada omg

[quaint tulip]

It's hard to find a reasonable priced anything anywhere lol

[scenic lance]

i may just have to go over budget 😐

[quaint tulip]

What is your budget?

[scenic lance]

$1000

thats purely parts

[quaint tulip]

What are your components looking like rn?

[elfin trout]

cad market does look a bit sad

[quaint tulip]

Most markets do.. the gpu I have is showing $1500 on pcpp and I paid $800 I think..

[elfin trout]

I mean worse than US

[scenic lance]

i got my gpu, ssd, hard drive, case, mobo, and ram so far. i need psu and cpu

[elfin trout]

lemme try making a 1000cad list

last time I tried I couldn't fit a 2060

[scenic lance]

i got a 1660 super and it was pretty lucky, it came in stock for less than a day and was a reasonable price.

[elfin trout]

hm still can't fit a 2060

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/yjrRqp

anyways, that's what I'd do for 1000cad

[scenic lance]

do u think i should go with that power supply? it’d be a little overboard but would it be worth it?

[opal night]

it's only overkill util you upgrade

[elfin trout]

Seasonic focus very good psu

prob last a decade

[scenic lance]

hm alright i think i will :)) thanks a lot guys i really appreciate it

[forest tusk]

I've only built using full tower cases, and have been instructed by my roommate/wife that I need to build in a smaller case with my next build. Are there mid tower cases that will let me put an aio cooler in front and still have room for an xfx 6800xt? I was looking at this one and the nzxt 510/710. https://www.newegg.com/black-lian-li-lancool-ii-atx-desktop/p/2AM-000Z-00053?Item=2AM-000Z-00053&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-vgL.3N19QgX7D4H.a1TdVw

[opal night]

Forget the NZXT please

Absolutely horrible airflow

That Lian Li all the way

[elfin trout]

Td500 mesh, P500a, Coolermaster H500 all options

[forest tusk]

Do I need to be careful about which ram I get with regards to much the radiator on top? I had a friend who had a corsair case and he couldn't mount his radiator and fans on top because it interfered with his ram. Maybe that's just a corsair thing?

[lofty pewter]

depends on case, RAM, and AIO size. Usually 280mm AIOs will have a hard time fitting in, but 240m/360mm will be fine

[forest tusk]

Ok. Looking at getting an artic liquid freezer II. I guess I should be able to find a build using whatever case I decide and that cooler and see what type of ram they are using.

[lofty pewter]

freezer II comes in many sizes. If you're getting 280mm then you should worry about it. If not then 99% going to be fine

[forest tusk]

I don't think i'd get the 280. Last question. If I mounted it to the front, would I keep the case fans there too or move those?

[lofty pewter]

I'd keep the arctic fans with the rad. You generally want the better quality fans to be with the rad as the rad makes it harder to move air. I'll take a good guess that the case fans will be worse then the arctic ones

[forest tusk]

So take the case fans out and just have the rad fans on the front if that's what I do?

[lofty pewter]

move the case fans to the back/top or something

and rad fans at front with rad

[forest tusk]

ok

yep

[sour loom]

quick question

can you use cable extensions with a non modular psu

[opal night]

yes

[grim violet]

there’s a noice coming from my PSU like a clacking sound. I sent it back for “repairs” but it’s still doing it so im thinking maybe another part if causing the sound such as the motherboard? Is there anyway to test this without using another system?

Or could it possible be the power supply isn’t able to handle the stress? Like just the type and series of PSU doesn’t do well with gaming idk?

[elfin trout]

Yes, no, no, no

@grim violet clacking sounds like something getting caught in a fan to me, like if a wire is in the way

[grim violet]

I looked inside and even sprayed come canned air to maybe get anything possible caught away but it continues

[elfin trout]

Usually the only real sources of weird noises in a PC is one of 3 things: Coil whine, Something caught in a fan, or Hard drive clicks of death

[grim violet]

I thought it was the hard drive at first so I removed it from the system since it’s only all my games and I work and it continued the sound so ik it’s something with PSU

But I can’t find anything in the fan so idk if it’s again the PSU model just not compatible somehow or the power supply doesn’t have brought wattage for the build and that’s the reason of the sound?

[elfin trout]

Think about what goes on in a PSU, nothing in there can really clack

A PSU basically doesn't have moving parts other than the fan

Smth could've been stuck in the psu fan tho

[grim violet]

If it’s stuck would it be visible easily?

[elfin trout]

Stuck as in the fan might be hitting something inside

[grim violet]

Cause the sound is on and off so if it was something stuck it would have to be wiggling in and out of the way of the blades

[elfin trout]

And you can't really open it up and tell
(Stuck inside, you can't fix)

[grim violet]

Oh

the thing is I supposedly got a different PSU when I sent it back to Corsair for the sound

[elfin trout]

Don't be cxm

[grim violet]

?

[elfin trout]

If what you're hearing isn't coil whine, CXm gonna give it to ya

[tacit wren]

Psus have a contactor

Will click on and off

[grim violet]

Your saying cxm has bad coil whine?

But it never used to do that. That’s what’s confusing

And it’s doing it more and more for longer of periods of time continuously

[onyx spire]

i need a psu that is 650 watts and on newegg

and good

[elfin trout]

@onyx spire Phanteks amp

@tacit wren hm, might need to look into it, but wouldn't that be physically tied to the power switch?

[tacit wren]

No

No psu is going to use a solid state relay for that

It'll be a mechanical contactor

[elfin trout]

I still have a lot more to learn about PSUs so yea

[tacit wren]

I mean, it's wired up right behind the power switch sure

[grim violet]

Would I be better off just buying this as a replacement? https://www.newegg.com/phanteks-revolt-pro-ph-p850gc-850w/p/N82E16817987006?&quicklink=true

[onyx spire]

@elfin trout is this good psu https://www.newegg.com/global/sa-en/phanteks-amp-series-ph-p650g-us01-650w/p/N82E16817987009?Description=Phanteks amp&cm_re=Phanteks_amp-_-9SIA0ZXCTN0627-_-Product&quicklink=true

[elfin trout]

Yes

@grim violet didn't you get a replacement being shipped?

From Corsair

[grim violet]

I did that a couple weeks ago

The replacement is doing the same thing

That’s my issue

[elfin trout]

O

Open the side panel up and just find the exact spot the noise is coming from

[grim violet]

Thus why I asked is it possible it’s the type of PSU or series. Or the motherboard in some way

I did it’s coming from the bottom back of the case.

[elfin trout]

Lots of things could be possible

Like where

Psu fan (You could prob tell if the noise is fan hitting something or not from up close)

Psu inside

Or above it

[grim violet]

Idk it’s hard to tell but it sounds like PSU either inside or fan

[fallow cairn]

A contactor can click/clack, a random click sound can also be the sound of protections tripping

[silk ice]

so I bought a td500 non mesh while i built my computer, i couldnt get the mesh and they said they wouldnt know how long it would take for the mesh to restock hence why i didnt get it.

Using the non mesh td500 front panel i see my GPU temps are 10 degress higher in celsius then with the front panel off.

does anyone know if I can just buy the front mesh panel (black) by itself?

[opal night]

Message cooler master and ask?

It would only be available from them

[silk ice]

emailed them twice with no response from the past week

[opal night]

" As customer satisfaction is a core value of Cooler Master, we would like to notify our customers that our current CRM system is having issues with the ticketing system at this point in time. Once the CRM vendor has verified that the issue has been resolved, we will respond to each and every ticket ASAP. We thank you for your continued patience at this time, and apologize for any inconvenience this issue may cause."

Might just have to be a bit patient with them

[silk ice]

gr8

ight thanks

[opal night]

Yeah sorry

I can't find a part number for that panel anywhere

ON their site, the manuals, nothing

[silk ice]

i saw one in particular but it seemed to use England's currency

[opal night]

Probably from the UK then

[silk ice]

yeah

https://www.cmstore.eu/spare-parts/masterbox-td500-front-mesh-panel/

[opal night]

Yep, that's EU

[elfin trout]

@fallow cairn protections tripping would be very noticable since it'll stop working yaknow

[woeful juniper]

can some one find me a good case with at least 3-4 rgb fans around $60

[wide parrot]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811853078

https://www.amazon.com/Montech-Black-Mid-Tower-Case-Pre-Installed/dp/B08CMPQ6YB

[teal flare]

I wouldn't get that first one

unless you take off front panel

[opal night]

Montech at that price point. Everything else will be glass front with crap cooling

[exotic fiber]

Ok, so I have a question. I am planning to get a case for my first build but I want to know the pros/cons of cases so that I buy the right one. What should I watch out for when buying a case?

[opal night]

That your GPU will physically fit. The front is some kind of open mesh design for good airflow. There are places to route/hide your cables. If you want water cooling, that your radiators will fit where you want them.

[exotic fiber]

Ok thanks!

[opal night]

Pls don't buy NZXT or a case with a glass front

They cool very poorly due to very little airflow no matter the size of the fans in front

[exotic fiber]

I was not planning

[opal night]

Off to a good start!

[exotic fiber]

🙂

It just seemed like a bad idea anyways

glass in the front...

[opal night]

Guy was in here earlier

10C difference in temps between glass front on and off

at idle

[exotic fiber]

wow xD

[opal night]

Yup

Also, if you get one with filters

You really gotta clean those once a month. A little dust gets on them and really kills the air movement

[exotic fiber]

I have one on my current case and I have to do that

It sucks cleaning but it is worth it

[wide parrot]

yeah

Taking off the front panel of my case is kinda a pain so I sometimes let the dust build up more than I should

[low scaffold]

you guys clean ur filters?

[edgy tiger]

in my server? no. in my rig? absolutely.

[forest tusk]

Any thoughts on fractal mesh s.2 or a phanteks p500a? Local microcenter has the white s.2 for 70 off.

[opal night]

P500A is a really, really nice case

I just got one, it's top notch

[dawn matrix]

the cable covers on that tho...

i love what i saw from the s2 tho

basically just a bigger better mesh C

[gentle acorn]

@exotic fiber Granted this response is 6 hours later, but it's always WAY better to have to clean dust filters, than it is to have to clean the entire guts of the PC constantly. Plus, your components live longer healthier lives the cleaner they're kept - also you are less likely to damage the internal components with static electricity since you'll need to clean the inside of the case much less often, if ever (even discharges so small you cannot see or feel).
I swear by Fractal cases (also a fan of the large but wonderful Corsair 900D), I have a Define XL (some version of it) and an older Fractal Arc XL that had shipping damage (corner crunched in which I fixed). I love both of these cases, and the Define is absolutely the best case I've ever worked with, more convenient than even some Lian-Li offerings I've used.

+points for not having to open up the power supply to clean it due to dust filters keeping dust out, forgetting to drain the juice out of it only to get rudely re-awakened by the shocking experience of touching the insides of a live or non-discharged power supply (at 115v you could have a bad day, 230v will certainly mess up your hair do and could possibly be fatal for some at either voltage).
Rule: Never, ever, ever open that power supply up unless you know the dangers of working around house current, are experienced, and have discharged it after disconnecting it from the wall.

DUST kills more power supplies than overloading does. I've seen a lot of this, especially before 'right to repair' in the USA allowed us to break the 'warranty void if seal broken' stickers without voiding said warranty just to CLEAN the thing.
BIG RULE: Only buy a case with dust filters, your PC will live longer, and you just might too.

[tulip granite]

When replacing my psu, do I have to unplug the cables pluged into the mobo from the mobo end as well as the psu end, or just the psu end?

[low scaffold]

just psu but id swap the cables unless theyre the same psu

[tulip granite]

If there the same brand is that fine or still change it?

Also, what about for storage drives?

[low scaffold]

every cable is the same man

[dawn matrix]

what no

cables use different connectors on the psu side

[tulip granite]

So, just unplug the psu and put the new one in?

[dawn matrix]

thats why you cant just buy generic sleeved cables, they have to either be extentions or custom fitted

[low scaffold]

if same base model (like 500w to 850) itll be fine

which is what he said i think

[opal night]

Lol. Not really. 8 pinnis the same eihter end. Check it yourself.

[dawn matrix]

[low scaffold]

i mean he can check if the endings are the same

[opal night]

Pull down a psu pinout doagram. Look for yourself. I have. Juat sayin

[low scaffold]

if i upgraded the same model of psu and just did wattage id be shocked if it had a different base connector

[lofty pewter]

The model should have the same pinout throughout all the wattage variants. Tho different models (PX, Amp, DF, HX, RMx, etc) will sometimes differ

[low scaffold]

which is what i was saying yeah

[tulip granite]

When I unplug the cables from mobo and storage drives, do I leave them in the case and plug them back in later, or completely remove them and use the new ones from the new psu?

[fallow cairn]

yea, was just giving an example of a clicking noise

[hearty leaf]

I have a client that has a bottom mounted power supply that has a 12 inch cable assembly from the power supply to the motherboard. The failed power supply is a Logisys PS480A12BK, combo ATX and SATA. I have ordered 3 different similar power supplies but all of them have a motherboard cable that is much too short. Does anyone know of a power supply that has a long enough cable? It needs to be a minimum of 11 inches. Thank you!

[low scaffold]

like i said the last time you put this here

get an extension

or

https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-sf-750f14hg-750w/p/1HU-024C-00006

bam

[uncut stump]

Should i go for the p400a rgb or the lancool ii mesh rgb

[trail jolt]

Anyone heard news of the seasonic syncro q7 release date?

[young osprey]

remove everything and use new

[bleak oar]

what are the thoughts on a Seasonic Focus GX-750

I found one of those at a good price that’s only a few months old

and a 850 watt RM850 that’s a few years old but has less than 2k hours

[low scaffold]

used psu is a bad idea

[chrome iris]

Used psu can be ok if you know how it was used and for how long it was used

Like I’m fine buying a 3 month used PSU that was in a light gaming rig

But when it’s in that area where it’s just used and you know nothing about it, don’t get it

[scenic lance]

Any thoughts on the silent base 802?

[edgy tiger]

good case, great feeling and very quiet but not great for airflow

like most Be Quiet cases

[scenic lance]

how do i check a PSU before installing it
dont want to kill my PC with a bad PSU

[elfin trout]

paperclip test

[split sage]

My case USB’s won’t work windows is updated and everything

It has a 2.0 and 3.0 every thing is plugged in correctly I promise

[summer gorge]

im playin vr wtf u want

[split sage]

Lol

Read above 😭

[alpine niche]

does anyone have a good 2x 8 adapter for the Corsair TXM Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

that they could recomend to me

[uncut stump]

Whats the best psu manufacturer?

[low scaffold]

i like superflower

leadex iii op

[edgy tiger]

Thoughts on XPG core reactor?

Idk if i trust XPG just yet

[low scaffold]

xpg is adata

adata is on my blacklist as a brand

[edgy tiger]

Yeah, i knew that

[low scaffold]

and you also have to wonder

[edgy tiger]

But how is the PSU it self, like supplyer wise

[low scaffold]

how much does a ssd company that cant even do that right

how much do they know abt psus

if you can find the oem then maybe

but id mention that psu guy

decks

[edgy tiger]

It says CWT

[uncut bolt]

I have the Lian Li lancool 215 and the argb works on the fans but I can not change the argb colors on my fans and there is a button on a case to do that. The argb fans are connected to a fan hub that was included with the case. I read and you can change the argb with the button on the case even if it’s connected to the fan hub that comes with the case, but for me it does not work. Can anyone help? Thanks.

[fallow cairn]

yep it's a very good PSU, same platform as DQM/Revolution DF

[edgy tiger]

thx

[lapis trail]

This might be a stupid question but if micro center is selling an open box lian li o11 and the price is 120 but the problem is cracked glass would they sell it with cracked glass or would they replace it?

[low scaffold]

theyd sell it cracked

thats why its cheaper

[lapis trail]

K thx

[scenic lance]

this any good

[fallow cairn]

VS500 is pretty terrible

also case has a solid front panel so not that good either

[meager frost]

can anyone recommend a solid inverted mid ATX case? I've been scouring the internet for one and either they're 300 dollars, sold out, or the manufacturer is completely dead cough riotoro cough

[scenic lance]

https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-sf-750f14hg-750w/p/1HU-024C-00006?Item=9SIAMNPAY44279&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAMNPAY44279-_-01042021 is this a good psu to buy?

[grim fulcrum]

Hello, I need some help.. I want to make my Gamer PC and I want to know if I have room to putting the Graphic Card RTX 3080 in the tower MSI MPG GUNGNIR 110R ATX Mid with MSI MAG CORELIQUID 360R AIO Liquid CPU Cooler, 360mm Radiator, Triple 120mm PWM Fans in front side (not in the top because dont have a room there, just onlu 240R can in the top)?

[opal night]

How big is your power supply?

That should be a thought as well as physical fitment.

Max GPU length for that case is: 340mm

3080 FE is 285 mm so that one would fit

Depends on the other brands you are looking at and how long they are

[grim fulcrum]

But my doubt is because I need to install first the AIO 360Rand I dont know if this 340mm is without the radiator

[opal night]

Can the fans go on the outside of the case behind the front panel?

The manual is pretty bad, can't tell

If the fans can go on the outside, you'll have room. If the fans must go inside the case, you won't have enough room

[grim fulcrum]

Yep is bad... that is the reason of my doubt

[opal night]

So you don't have teh case yet?

[grim fulcrum]

not, supposedly arrive next Friday 8

[opal night]

I found some pics

Fans go on the inside

Lemme grab some measurements

[grim fulcrum]

I watch a video in youtube but some people say yes and other not..

[opal night]

I'm going to go with no

GPU = 285mm

Maxx GPU length is 340mm

I mean, it depends on if the max length for GPU includes fans or not

If it includes the fans, yes, it will fit

If the max dimension doesn't include the fans, it won't fit

Looking at this picture, it would be tight.

[grim fulcrum]

I appreciate your help sr

I know the tower come with 4 fans, 3 in front and 1 back.

supposedly I need to remove these 3 fans and putting the 3 fans with radiator of my MSI MAG CORELIQUID 360R AIO Liquid CPU Cooler, 360mm Radiator, Triple 120mm PWM Fans

so, the big doubt is the max GPU length after that

[opal night]

Yes

After reading it some more, I THINK it will fit

I'm assuming the max GPU length includes the fans

If so, it will fit

[grim fulcrum]

thank you so much... if not, I can return to newegg and buy other more bigger?

[opal night]

I would assume so but I don't know their return policy to be honest

[grim fulcrum]

Ok, I try to talk with customer service..

[opal night]

Best idea, yes

[grim fulcrum]

Again, thank you so much.. have a nice day... regards

[opal night]

You too!

[chrome iris]

yes

[scenic lance]

Been waiting on an answer and already bought it lmao

[chrome iris]

[scenic lance]

Thanks

[coral bear]

So hows the Seasonic FOCUS PX-850? It seems like a good psu and I can get a rather good deal on it, I've just never used any of the FOCUS series psus

[opal night]

Yeah, that's a good one

PX or GX?

[coral bear]

PX

[opal night]

Yeah, that's Tier A

good one, snag it up

[coral bear]

Cool beans

[gusty crag]

quick question

My current case is one of those cases where the psu is on the top

I have heard it can cause heat on the power supply

Is that a major problem?

[opal night]

Is the fan on the bottom or the top? And does the fan have plenty of clearance?

[gusty crag]

bottom of the psu

the fan takes up the heat of the pc

and yes it does have a good amount of clearance

[opal night]

I wouldn't worry about it a whole lot unless your case has poor airflow

[gusty crag]

it does

its a 120mm fan on the side, another one on the bottom front, and an 80mm for exhaust

its a NOX FORTE

[opal night]

I honestly wouldn't worry about it all that much

[graceful sedge]

Hello, anyone in here atm?

[scenic lance]

no

[graceful sedge]

dang

because i have a question about a PSU unit i need some help with

[opal night]

wat?

Go for it

[graceful sedge]

k

Bought a Dell Optiplex 7010 MT for a buddy of mine. Trying to help him out.

The PSU is a stock 275w PSU.

I have an old Nvidia Geforce GTX 760 i was gonna put it in. It's got an i5-3470, 16gb DDR3, a SSD i had

[opal night]

That's a 170 watt GPU

No way

[graceful sedge]

BUT, the stock PSU has no aux connectors to connect to the GPU. So I was looking for a new PSU unit, because the most I can run is 75w with this

[opal night]

Good!

[graceful sedge]

Yeah, need bigger PSU unit because this mobo will only run 75w or less

i like eVGA and Corsair PSU's for cheaper builds. This is my ex army buddy, disabled vet and i'm just trying to help him out since he's stuck at home most of the time.

Any idea's on a decent cheap 450w-600w PSU?

[opal night]

is it a standard ATX power supply?

Trying to find out now

[graceful sedge]

yeah, i think it is

its the Optiplex Mid Tower

[opal night]

Yeah

[graceful sedge]

biggest 7010 they make

they make 3 smaller cases than this one

i'm pretty sure a regular ATX PSU will fit in it no problem

but just wanted some second hand advice too before i went ahead and bought this PSU. Couple of other army buddies threw in a gaming keyboard and mouse and monitor for him

[opal night]

how cheap is cheap?

[graceful sedge]

So I appreciate any advice you guys can give me when it comes to getting his system up and running.

$25-$45

something like this

https://www.newegg.com/evga-400-n1-100-n1-0400-l1-400w/p/N82E16817438038

Or this

https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-smart-series-ps-spd-0430npcwus-w-430w/p/N82E16817153368

Will either of those be okay? Will they actually fit inside the case?

[opal night]

The N1 is a definite NO GO

Rated Tier E, potentially dangerous

[graceful sedge]

okay

[opal night]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

I've been looking for one in that price range that's not.......going to be an issue

[graceful sedge]

That's why i ask

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-cv-series-cv450-cp-9020209-na-450w/p/N82E16817139251

What about that one

[opal night]

That is the absolute lowest I'd go.

Still Tier D but better than the rest

[graceful sedge]

but will it fit and work?

[opal night]

Let me check connections, BRB

[graceful sedge]

ok

[opal night]

yes, that will work!

[graceful sedge]

okay cool, what did you have to check to see if it would work? 20 or 20+4 pin connector? Size?

[opal night]

Yes

Connectors and QTY

Has everything you need

[graceful sedge]

QTY?

quantity?

[opal night]

quatity

quantity

[graceful sedge]

ah okay

thanks a bunch 🙂

[opal night]

YW

[exotic arch]

i want rgb case 65-99$ with good airflow

someone can help me ?

[low scaffold]

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-MasterBox-Crystalline-Controller/dp/B08412JPCH

[lofty pewter]

@graceful sedge cheap PSU: goto EVGA bStock and find a 500BR for like $30

restock Wednesday I think

[graceful sedge]

@lofty pewter thanks Hei

[lofty pewter]

better quality then cv450
and np

[graceful sedge]

I had an evga 700 bronze

Paste link please

Lowest price is $45

No where close to 30

[empty token]

@exotic arch td500

100 dollars

[low scaffold]

almost like thats the exact product i linked them

[chrome iris]

https://tenor.com/view/cooler-master-gaming-gamer-rgb-pc-gif-18775583

[warm leaf]

I'm building a work computer using an old E machines case, bought a gigabyte UD B450M DS3H V2 mobo and a EP400M psu based on neweggs pc-builder ... the psu only has a ATX_12V 4-pin, the mobo has a 8-pin ... do I have to sent the psu back or will it work just plugged into half of the mobo 8-pin?

It's keyed so that it will fit, but I don't know if that's by design or not ...

The pc is only going to be a AMD Ryzen 5 3400G, 1 TB M3 SSD, no hard drive, no overclocking, no big graphics card, 16GB RAM ...

[latent flame]

it will run

but if it exceeds what the mobo needs itll shut off

although you dont have much hardware to demand too much power so it should boot

[low scaffold]

it just will throttle power draw

[scenic lance]

Hey guys, I am currently looking for a case. One that has good airflow, fits atx, white exterior, and rgb fans. Any suggestions?

^also, my budget is around 90-120 cad

[woeful juniper]

https://www.newegg.com/black-montech-flyer-x-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-00CN-00009?item=9SIAK91AX48138&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googlemkp-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googlemkp-pc-_-pla-montech-_-cases+(computer+cases+-+atx+form)-_-9SIAK91AX48138&gclid=CjwKCAiAudD_BRBXEiwAudakX7EFpe966y-mggxLLQvJ6_b_Z3DY5BNDLQj5d3_564dPa2f1UimRIxoCNxgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

is this a good case

[opal night]

It's OK

https://www.newegg.com/white-phanteks-eclipse-p360a-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811854104?Item=N82E16811854104

[scenic lance]

I personally dont think that it looks good, but thats my opinion, and not yours. But it has pretty good airflow.

[woeful juniper]

the pc case case i was gonna get was tempered glass and i didnt want to break it.

and this was the next best deal

[opal night]

You really gotta tweak the glass to break it.

[woeful juniper]

i was worried for shipping

it was gonna come from fed ex

[opal night]

Oh, they come very well packed

SHipping isn't an issue

[woeful juniper]

well

you what fedex

does

[opal night]

My new case just came Fedex

no issues

last week

[woeful juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/delivery-kick-newspaper-gif-9243117

lol

[opal night]

Every company has bad shipping drivers

[woeful juniper]

true

[scenic lance]

ive never got a case shipped to me so i wouldnt know, i would probably never order a case, probably just pick it up

[opal night]

I've had a few cases shipped to me, never had an issue

[remote fossil]

Yeah same I ordered a focus g and it came perfect condition

[tidal glen]

this looked cool until i saw the price tag but i dont even have a cut out to see the psu https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-850g-white-850w/p/1HU-009B-000Z9?Description=asus gundam&cm_re=asus_gundam-_-9SIAPMXDAV0994-_-Product&quicklink=true

[opal night]

oof

[chrome iris]

i do

not aboutta spend an extra $200 for that tho compared to the PSU I have now

[tidal glen]

the psu i bought more then doubled in price https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MGzFf7/asus-rog-strix-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-rog-strix-850g-white

[chrome iris]

that psu is sexy

[scenic lance]

this good

or no

[opal night]

What is that case?

[scenic lance]

diypc solo t2

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811353150?Description=diy pc solo&cm_re=diy_pc solo-_-11-353-150-_-Product&quicklink=true

[gray cosmos]

Thanks, that was what I thought, but I didn't know ... this PC just runs accounting s/w and stores to the server, all the PSU is running is the M3 SSD, the CPU and network port ...

[edgy tiger]

@scenic lance it uses very old tooling, and is not great for airflow (although you can mount a fan on the side that helps a lot), cable mgnt is going to be.... hairy. BUT for the price it is better than others and it is very similar to an older case

[scenic lance]

once build

it wont get opened until death

or cleaning

and cbl mgnt is no problem

zipties galore

[pearl quarry]

Does anyone know a small case that can happily accommodate dual 240 AIOs?

[edgy tiger]

well I think any mid tower case with front and top mounting support can, and many do

[deep wigeon]

do y’all have any outstanding opinions on the NZXT H510, reviews say the airflow is pretty eh but i like the cable management aspect

[teal flare]

airflow is not good

its like a 10+ degree difference with front panel off from gamers nexus benchmark

[deep wigeon]

hm i see

i’m picking parts out for my first build and i rlly do like the clean white design but the hot temps is turning me away a bit

[teal flare]

theres also the 4000d airflow in black/white

[low scaffold]

2009 moment

[trail jolt]

has anyone heard much about the Seasonic Syncro Q7?

[opal night]

Oh, that's a case

I don't like the front. Looks nice but need to wait for airflow reviews

[trail jolt]

well it needs to come out

i google the release date and it says Dec 20th 2020, which is wrong, is there any word on a new release date?

[opal night]

No Idea. Didn't even know they were making a case

[trail jolt]

damn, they announced it november and its pretty much radio silence after, similar to the 011 mini launch

[gentle acorn]

I would email support / customer service / product inquiry via the seasonic dot com website if you're interested. They do care about their customers (them and Noctua are tops).
I've dealt with PC hardware companies for 25 years since ordering a 'cutting edge' barebones 6x86 pr150+ 120mhz Cyrix computer from Global or Dartek in 1996 - they were swallowed by Tiger Direct, the rebate sham capitol of the internet later on sadly. That said I did manage to overclock the little Cyrix in 1996 to run quake good 🙂
But if you're going to deal with companies and care about how you're treated by them, Noctua and Seasonic get top honors, followed very closely by Fractal. So DO inquire.

[low scaffold]

id say noctua, seasonic, fractal, and evga are the kings of this

[gentle acorn]

XFX gets an honorable mention for good RMA service, they sent me a free set of hot swap fans when my RX 480 8g card's hot swap fans rattled like crazy and I was ready to toss the PC out of the side of my house - it was THAT maddening. Absolute rubbish GPU coolers, but GOOD customer service none-the-less, not as good as the above though. I've had more XFX cards fail than any other brand aside of BFG - but BFG went under due to absolutely NO QC process what-so-ever before shipping product.
EVGA from what I can tell has very good service, and the products are nice. The cooler on my 2070 'thuper' is a bit loud at boot but is to be expected from dual-ball-bearing fans (ball bearing fans get loud at full tilt, but they are some of the longest lasting, and don't mind being horizontal unlike sleeve bearings). You almost never hear the cooler under load and it keeps the 2070 'thuper' (said with a lisp) nice and cool / never hits 75~80c even in Quake II RTX or other games.

[low scaffold]

the issue with xfx is that they factor good customer service into their costs

release bad products and then just fulfill customer needs when something fails

its cheaper than releasing good products

evga just makes good stuff

[gentle acorn]

Every EVGA card I've come into contact with was at-least as well made as the competing products from Asus and Gigabyte. The step up program is nice, too, just incase you blew a TON of money and it still isn't good enough.
I don't mind paying a little extra for good products AND good service. A good product is only half the battle, if you don't care for your customers, they won't buy from you if there's a problem, and with PC's like anything else - everything will fail eventually, it's just a matter of when.

[low scaffold]

yep

xfx in my experience is total dog ass tho lol

[gentle acorn]

I bought a refurbished samsung LCD screen back in 2008 to replace my 700$ 17" LCD screen from 2001 that STILL worked. The screen came broken, twice, but Newegg still gave me an RMA the second time and credited my account properly - so kudos to them. I didn't have many bad products from newegg unless the shipping company murdered something.
I won't be buying XFX again if I can help it, BUT, in North America they DO allow you to change the cooler for something better / something else, and still keep your warranty intact. You just need to send a note to customer service so they can mark your account (this was prior to 'right to repair' going through though).

I never really had issues with Fedex as much as I did UPS. UPS stood for Universal Package Smashers in our area. I actually told the one driver, "If I get one more round box, I'm going to stuff you into that box and throw it around a while." I'm not the typical meek introvert or computer nerd type guy one would think orders said parts, so I didn't have an issue anymore with that. Thankfully, I didn't have to call his boss and get him fired (I don't like doing that).

[low scaffold]

hehe

newegg shipping has murdered my drives

[gentle acorn]

Thankfully SSD's are hard to murder!

[low scaffold]

i dont use ssds for the most part hehe

[gentle acorn]

I used to buy HDD's, last HDD I got though was a stack of Hitachi 2TB server pulls, darn things are neigh-indestructible. I use them for backups. I keep one in the PC, so I can throw files on and off it when needed (otherwise it stays off), and the rest are cold backups kept in the drawer that I hook up only when needed.

I have over half a dozen 500gb SSD's in here, some TLC drives like Crucial MX500's, and some older MLC toshiba server/enterprise drives in 500gb size. I think there's one or two off-brand that I got on 'fire sale' basically dirt cheap and needed something to replace a failed drive in a RAID array. Often some of those off-brand drives are just left-over old stock that has MLC or TLC chips in it and does slightly less IOPS but is still just fine to use for a daily or for game storage.
I really have lost count, but with how cheap the 500gb drives and 1tb drives are these days (I have a 1tb nvme 'inland pro' brand for the OS), it gets very easy to amass a ton of them. Heck I have one 240gb M.2 Sata SSD I paid FIVE DOLLARS for new. That was a good deal.

[low scaffold]

yeah lol

[gentle acorn]

Doing game development and modding all the time, those graphic files (Especially when working at 8k square or 16k square or all-day 4k files), and models, really REALLY eat up the space, especially when using Maya as for some reason it writes absolutely huuuuuge Collada export files (that's what I export to BeamNG.Drive for my Los Injurus City Map mod for example).

[low scaffold]

:00000

most of my ssds are seagate lol

[gentle acorn]

I used to keep a separate PC for just storage but couldn't stand it any more, mostly because being physically disabled, I couldn't get up to go use it.

[low scaffold]

get urself a nas

[gentle acorn]

I buy whatever brand is a good price and has good performance for that price. I don't mind a slightly slower SSD if it's dirt cheap and I just keep backups on it or store my games on it.

[trail jolt]

I'll contact them to see what they have to say, Thank you for the suggestion!

[low scaffold]

mine are cache

[gentle acorn]

Nah I don't want to keep my data outside the case except the cold backups, it's just too much 'stuff' to deal with, and for what the NAS costs, it's just MORE expense, more wires, more noise, more things to go wrong. So I keep some drives in the drawer and pop the side panel off monthly and do my backups for an hour or two - then it's done. When you don't have good mobility often you don't want to have more 'stuff' because it's already going to look like a hoarder-in-training if things keep going the way they have the last 5 years. 4600sq/f house and I only use about 1500sq/f because the rest of it is too far to walk (it's literally empty, but it's all one floor and it's 100 feet to the kitchen already). The house is paid for though so I can't see to moving or anything... but yeah, I really don't want to buy anything more or I could get buried alive in here and no one would find me for weeks.

[low scaffold]

lol

[gentle acorn]

In my world, anything that can go wrong eventually will do so. I don't want to add more components between myself and my data, if possible.

[low scaffold]

id go synology over ur method tbh

[gentle acorn]

It's like those knuckleheads that get suckered into 'wireless charging' for their Apple iPhones... someone tried to show how it was the 'cool thing' to me. I said really, you REALLY are so impressed with that? "Well I don't have to plug it into the wall anymore" I said, yes you do, you have to plug the charger in don't you, just like your old charger? You just got suckered into buying something you didn't need, congrats! Now instead of plugging your phone into a charger that plugs into the wall, you paid xxx dollars for wireless charging to plug the "wireless" charger into a wall!
Am I the only one that thinks that's a sham or are people really sold on 'wireless charging' stuff? I could see having it for a mouse and the mouse mat charges it, or a wireless charger for your car so you just set your phone somewhere.

[opal night]

It's nice in the car

Just plop phone into holder

[low scaffold]

its nice to set the phone down to charge it

[gentle acorn]

Yeah I can understand the convenience of it in the car especially for sales people in the car, but I never was one to hang on my phone much, one of those 'just use it for the occasional phone call' kind of folks. I like to leave most of my tech at home, not put my data on everything, and so-forth. I don't like complex phones because I'd never get use out of it (I don't even like texting, I like to type here, with a proper keyboard).

[opal night]

I'm in sales. I need my phone. One for the business and one for me.

I refuse to put personal data on a company device

[gentle acorn]

@opal night yeah I used to do sales, so I get that, I used to sell commercial truck parts (they're heavy)... but my phone battery was always able to last several days back then (I had a blackberry, when blackberry was relevant, the one with the rolling ball on it). I never got into the 'always on my phone' craze, when I am out in the world the LAST thing I want to do is be beeped at and bothered by technology. I want to enjoy my surroundings, and the people I am in the company of. Basically, I am the tail of the generation that doesn't 'do everything on the phone'. I do what I must on the PC, and the rest of the time I just use the phone for phone calls (and there's a house phone here, surprise surprise).
I would go absolutely batty if something like a phone beeped at me constantly - if this is any of you - you have my blessings I don't know how you stand it.

[opal night]

heavy huh?

I sell those

😉

[gentle acorn]

Yes, commercial truck brake drums, landing gear, 4515/4707 brake shoes, and the odd-ball front ones, that is what we used to service, truck and trailer.

That's some type of pump truck?

[opal night]

Sucker squirter

Commercial grade pressure washer and shop vac

Sewer cleaner and hole digger

[gentle acorn]

Obviously has some type of small boom on it. Ah, okay, so you can say your product sucks and still not get in trouble at work! That's always nice.

[opal night]

i can say a lot of things about it that I'd get in trouble for here

[gentle acorn]

Hahahahaha yeah better not busy the bot then.

I really liked the job, I just ended up getting a better one. The mechanics I dealt with primarily were always a blast to talk with and sometimes at the end of the day when I was basically almost done there was always time to blab. I miss that. I wish I was not disabled and hadn't moved away years back, but alas, can't have everything.
For the rest, I guess we'll just have to go to newegg and get suckered into buying something because "Ooohh! Shiny!". Maybe one day video cards will be available to buy again.

[opal night]

I got a 3070 this morning 🤷

[gentle acorn]

Lucky lucky. I hope the 8gb limits do not get hit too fast on the 3070 and my 2070 Super here, Outside of game development I don't hit it much but there's a few titles like Cyberpunk and MS Flight Sim and I think one of Rockstar's recent games (IIRC, might be wrong) that hits the 8gb limit. I know in game development I pine for 16~24gb cards badly though.

[opal night]

Keep in mind, that's allocated, not used. Can't read actual useage without debugging the GPU, despite what a couple claim

[gentle acorn]

I just can't stomach paying for what they want for 8gb or 10gb cards right now and definitely not for the 3090, after paying 572$ for a EVGA 2070 Super Gaming Black in december 2019.

[scenic lance]

i want to but this pus but im not sure about it 🤔

[gentle acorn]

I use the development readouts for the SDK on DX11 and DX12 renderers. I don't have one working for Vulkan yet though.

[opal night]

Grand RGB is Tier A

No reason not to

[scenic lance]

its about 120$ and its modular

[opal night]

Yup, it's in the Tier A list. I'd be comfortable with it

[gentle acorn]

Intel also has a tool that tells you, but that's on the other machine (Haswell 4790k machine), it's an SDK tool that helps for game developers to see GPU resources and what's being batched in draw calls and what is making the scene 'expensive' to render (it's a nice tool, actually, I really have been meaning to put it on here but have to read the EULA to see if you can use it on AMD machines).
@scenic lance Yes, 120$ for a 750w PSU with a 10 year warranty is very good deal. Normally those go for a touch more than that.

[cunning ingot]

I recently purchased a 3030 EVGA FTW3 and am in the market for a PSU, it has 3X8 pins. I would appreciate any support, I was thinking of purchasing this - https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-750-g5-220-g5-0750-x1-750w/p/N82E16817438162?Item=N82E16817438162

but was wondering do I need to buy an additional 8-pin? I couldn't see if the stock provided 3 x 8pins

Apologize english is my second language

[opal night]

You're good

[gentle acorn]

@cunning ingot you typed 3030, do you mean 3080 or 3090 ?

[cunning ingot]

3080

sorry

[opal night]

That has 4 VGA cables

[scenic lance]

yeah . i was looking for corsair but its too expensive

[opal night]

All good!

Tier B too, not bad

That pic, 4x PCI-E power

Comes with the cables too

1 x 24 Pin ATX (20+4)
2 x 8 Pin EPS (4+4)
6 x 8 Pin PCIe (6+2)
9 x SATA
4 x Four-Pin Peripheral
1 x Floppy

[gentle acorn]

A good quality power supply is the foundation of a great system, so don't go too cheap. However, if you have a good reliable power company and a tight budget, you might be able to get away with Tier B supply just fine, just use a GOOD surge protector.

[cunning ingot]

What would you both recommend?

I am open to increasing my budget

[opal night]

Did you say 3080 yeah?

[cunning ingot]

Yes

[opal night]

It doesn't get much better than this one

https://www.newegg.com/phanteks-amp-series-ph-p750g-us01-750w/p/N82E16817987010

IF it's available where you live

[cunning ingot]

This is cheaper, but still better?

[opal night]

Yes

That's a Tier A PSU

[scenic lance]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Toughpower-750W-256-Color-PS-TPG-0750FPCGUS-R/dp/B01N4C39AR

[cunning ingot]

Do you have a comprehensive tier list I could review?

[daring marsh]

Search up psu tier list

[opal night]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

[cunning ingot]

Thank you all for you advice, I wish you the good health

[opal night]

Also

Specifically for the 3080

There's a thread going on the EVGA forums

https://forums.evga.com/We-need-to-have-a-thread-of-what-PSU-people-have-and-RTX-3080-or-3090-and-is-WORKING-m3118557.aspx

[cunning ingot]

Thank you, I will read through this

[opal night]

YW\

[cunning ingot]

Do you have any surge protector recommendations

[scenic lance]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-256-Color-Modular-Warranty-PS-SPR-0750FPCBUS-R/dp/B01NCRRCRR/ref=pd_lpo_147_t_1/140-2266866-0767230?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01NCRRCRR&pd_rd_r=3bd2ffe3-a1a2-4fbd-ad6a-61aa735b6dd2&pd_rd_w=PiRCm&pd_rd_wg=qTfe4&pf_rd_p=16b28406-aa34-451d-8a2e-b3930ada000c&pf_rd_r=0KKNHJFW6AGA58HQN6K2&psc=1&refRID=0KKNHJFW6AGA58HQN6K2 i foud this too 🤔

[gentle acorn]

Wow, nothing like competition between AMD and Nvidia for 'need to have a list of what PSU's work with these power hungry cards' ...

[scenic lance]

its just 100$ 🤔

[opal night]

The Smart line isn't well rated

Tier B at best

[gentle acorn]

@cunning ingot I usually get surge protectors at a brick and mortar store, I get a 20~25$ one with most of the bells and whistles, dont get a very cheap weightless one, get one with some weight to it as they're usually better made. For example, the harbor freight 8$ ones are absolute rubbish and wouldn't protect a game-boy.

[scenic lance]

hmm

[gentle acorn]

The last surge surpressor I got at Worst Buy ... I mean Best Buy was pretty good but right now there's absolutely no way I can move the 40" screen or equally as tall tower to figure out what model it is... Just go to Staples or even the grocery store will sometimes sell a solidly made 20$ model or might be a few bucks more, it's worth it to protect your hardware, it should be replaced at a minimum every 3 years.

You can look up the surge protectors by rating on newegg, they will be able to sell it to you cheaper

Power supplies, surge protectors, motherboards ... those things are hooked essentially to EVERYTHING in your computer, never ever cheap out on those 3 if at all possible.

For those not on the graphics channel, it was good chit-chatting, sorry if I wrote a book (I do this). I have to wander over there for a bit with a question.

[scenic lance]

i worrying about psu couse once my psu fried my 2 hdd and coused lost important data

i wanna get good one xd

[opal night]

The thermaltake you posted or the Phanteks are fantastic

The EVGA G5, meh

[scenic lance]

ok ill take a look at that thermaltake

Is the recent psu that went on sale a good psu?

https://www.newegg.com/segotep-gp-series-750w-fully-modular-850w/p/1HU-00Z0-00015 this one

[opal night]

Good question

Lemme look

It's a Tier B either way so yeah, it's decent

[scenic lance]

Oki just asking tho because I already bought another one

[livid aurora]

Should I turn my psu off everyone I’m done using my pc for at least a couple hours? Or is that bad

[cursive shore]

what are your guys thoughts on Gskill psu's?

[livid aurora]

I’m really anxious always that if power running through the system and it goes out my pc will break somehow

[cursive shore]

yeah theres nothing wrong with turning off your psu when you have powered down

and im not 100% sure but unless you are downloading something and the power goes out you should be fine

[low scaffold]

they dont make them, so you need to find the oem theyre rebranding for the model you're getting

[cursive shore]

ah, so they are just rebranded OEM psus then?

[low scaffold]

basically everyone is

theres like 5 people that actually make psus

superflower is the god tier manufacturer

the leadex iii is like

s tier psu

[surreal magnet]

seasonic and great wall are the other two top tier psu makers

[low scaffold]

doesnt seasonic not make their own stuff?

id say fsp and delta are the best ones

[surreal magnet]

no, seasonic makes all the top teir corsair, evga, fractal design, NZXT, etc

yeah, FSP and delta are pog, but they are more in the enterprise scene

great wall is one of the better chinesium manufacturers from what i can remember, they also build corsair and etc units

[low scaffold]

yeah

but

be quiet makes some kickass psus

and those are fsp

and imo if the brand makes enterprise stuff its more than good enough for consumers

[surreal magnet]

yeah, it varies by psu model

[low scaffold]

well ofc

[surreal magnet]

channel well makes some be quiet psus

[low scaffold]

i swear by my delta psus tho

and i think superflower will be my next psu

[surreal magnet]

idk what my next psu is gonna be, the next thing im upgrading is hopefully my cpu in like 3 years

[elfin trout]

Cwt op

[surreal magnet]

well, im still hunting for rtx 3080

[elfin trout]

Cwt makes most of the top tier Corsair PSUs iirc

[surreal magnet]

i thought CWT was only alright?

[elfin trout]

RMx for sure

I think axi, or hxi is made my cwt

[surreal magnet]

i see

[low scaffold]

yeah sassy as much as id like to upgrade my pc right now

servers are more fun

my new server is an absolute monster lol

[surreal magnet]

once i replace my 1080, ill be using my system for a looooooong time

[low scaffold]

https://lili.gay/site/specs/

its sanctuary

[surreal magnet]

prolly 24 hour clocks, because american clocks are stupid

ick

[elfin trout]

Cwt makes corsair's CX, TXM, HX, RM, and HXi

At least those

I wish orionpsudb comes back

[surreal magnet]

mr1111 what time is it for you rn?

[elfin trout]

2:19

[surreal magnet]

oh ok

[elfin trout]

Recently been sleeping around 3am

[surreal magnet]

so youre just like me

[elfin trout]

Screw sleep schedule amirite

Was watching some anime

[surreal magnet]

yee, sleap is 4 the weak

ive been reading manga for the last 3 hours lmao

[elfin trout]

Will add the anime to da list once I finish it lol

Manga anime close nuff

[surreal magnet]

same difference

[elfin trout]

Anime let's me watch in the dark on my bed so

[surreal magnet]

too uncomfortable to be in bed with headphones

[elfin trout]

Bean

[surreal magnet]

yes

in bean

nothing all that exciting

[fallow cairn]

CX gray is not made by CWT

neither is TXM 850w

RM also has a unit made by Chicony

HXi and HX for the most part is CWT

[lilac dagger]

what is a good cheap 750w psu?

[opal night]

Phanteks AMP, $100 Corsair CX $95. When it comes to power supplies, good and cheap don't really go well together.

[lilac dagger]

oh alright

[opal night]

How cheap were you thinking?

[lilac dagger]

100-150 range

[opal night]

Oh shoot

Phanteks AMP then

[lilac dagger]

ok

[opal night]

Great PSU

[lilac dagger]

ive seen lots of reviews on psus but there mixed so idk to get or not but the psu you reccomend sounds great ima go find on newegg

[lofty pewter]

@fallow cairn CX grey is made by CWT and Greatwall. Two models

[opal night]

https://www.newegg.com/phanteks-amp-series-ph-p750g-us01-750w/p/N82E16817987010?Description=phanteks amp&cm_re=phanteks_amp-_-17-987-010-_-Product&quicklink=true

[lilac dagger]

oh thanks

[opal night]

YW

[lilac dagger]

this psu is perfect thanks mate

[fallow cairn]

model for one made by greatwall?

[graceful sedge]

@opal night hey, went with a Thermal take TR2 430w PSU

[opal night]

Oh, this is for that old pc ya?

[graceful sedge]

To put in that Dell Optiplex 7010, yep

[lofty pewter]

@fallow cairn should be a split for all wattages, but only can confirm split with Greatwall ones for the 450w from very basic research.

[graceful sedge]

That one us on your Tier D list

[opal night]

Yeah, you shouldn't be pulling much wattage from it though

[graceful sedge]

Well im putting that GTX 760 in it.

170w card

[fallow cairn]

yep I do remember briefly one was made by GW

[graceful sedge]

That should still be fine though right?

[fallow cairn]

just don't remember which one

[graceful sedge]

@opal night can I have you double check and make sure that one will work/fit in that pc? Dell Optiplex 7010 Mid tower. I5-3470, 250gb SSD , 16gb DDR3 1600mhz, Geforce GTX 760 4gb, thats it.

And thanks for all the help yesterday to Vintage

[opal night]

Should fit, it's a standard PSU

ATX

[elfin trout]

@fallow cairn eh, I was just rattling em off by what was on orion

[remote locust]

anybody know the best budget airflow cases

[opal night]

Define budget

[elfin trout]

20$, 40$, 60$, 80$, which one of those do you call "budget"

[remote locust]

under 60USD

[opal night]

Montek then

[elfin trout]

Mx330-g air, neo air

Mx410 mesh might've been under 60$, forgot

[minor portal]

MrBlyat#1066 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[gusty crag]

:(

ok

sop

in otgher words

are evga psus good

[opal night]

Depends on the model

[gusty crag]

cause there are so many ppl shitting on them

W1's

precisely

[opal night]

EVGA W1 is in fact bad

[elfin trout]

W1s are crap

N1 crappier

@gusty crag all depends on the model

Every company makes good and bad PSUs

Like EVGA G2 and P2 are godly

But then you have w1 and n1 that are just crap

Corsair has RM and RMx which are good,
And then old CXm and VS that may or may not be actual bombs

[gusty crag]

why are w1's crap?

[elfin trout]

Seasonic has focus plus gold and plat,
And then S12iii

Protections, ripple, voltage regulation

[gusty crag]

huh

its the only avaliable evga psu where i live

at least n the stores i look

for evga

and that isnt overpriced

[elfin trout]

What country

[gusty crag]

brazil

i mean

i could look into different stores

but then i would pay for 2 sippings

shippings*

[elfin trout]

SA is a fun time for parts

[gusty crag]

if im using an evga 500W W1 for a ryzen 5 1600AF with a 1650S

would i have a problenm

problem*

?

[elfin trout]

It's a "do you want it to last" question

[gusty crag]

i mean]

i plan on upgrading in 3 to 4 years

and a psu switch would be inevitable if i did

[elfin trout]

The warranty length usually tells you how long the manufacturer thinks it's gonna take before it dies

3 years on the w1

Compares to like 7 years on a G3, or 10 years on a g2

[gusty crag]

thats enough

and i see the rwviews for it are good

i think i will pull the trigger

on it

and besides

its cheap

[opal night]

I mean

You really wanna trust the rest of your parts to a cheap power supply?

Save $20 and cost you hundreds?

[gusty crag]

it has 80 plus white, so I dont think it will burn away the rest of my parts

[opal night]

That means absolutely nothing

[gusty crag]

and I see it has some other good reviews

i know

i realized that after i sent it