cases-psu-and-cooling

[simple zephyr]

What about the case and gpu

[elfin trout]

Meshify C should be pretty simple to reach

[simple zephyr]

Will the airflow suffice?

[elfin trout]

@simple zephyr you should know why we don't like H510

:p

[simple zephyr]

I don’t though

I’m new here :0

[elfin trout]

No reason for it

Bad airflow

[proud idol]

ok thank you

[simple zephyr]

So what case would suffice this build

[elfin trout]

@proud idol you sure it didn't reach before?

Like 24pin should have to go far

[simple zephyr]

This is my first pc build

[elfin trout]

@simple zephyr tbh any, like Meshify C, td500 mesh, p400a, p500a, etc

[simple zephyr]

any but h510 😂

[proud idol]

nope the seasonic focus sgx didnt reach just dont want to have thee same problem with the fractal corsair

[elfin trout]

Hm weird

Isn't the SGX the SFF one..?

[proud idol]

yes it is thats what ii think maybe the problem why the cableis short

[elfin trout]

Huh

[proud idol]

the seasonic is a sff power supply so i just wonder maybe the cables are shorter then a full sized ps

[charred wolf]

Hi, i want a good air flow under 100 dollar case i saw that a lot of ppl says that mechify c and td 500 but mechify comes with two fans one in the back and one in the front
And td500 3 fans in front and if i remember correctly there's no back fan for it
Is there better option or this is the good cases under the price

[dawn matrix]

these are the top options

theres also the p400a

and p400a digital

but those are the top dogs when it comes to airflow

[charred wolf]

And i don't know if i can put top radiator and what is the mas tall

[charred wolf]

The p400a how many fans come with it?

[dawn matrix]

4 i think

the digital version

the non digital has 2 i beleive

[charred wolf]

Dose the 3 Cases has a radiator support?

[dawn matrix]

yes

for 240 radiators at the top all of them

and for 360 radiators at the front all of them

looks like the td500 can take a 360 at the top actually

meshify c and p400a have max 240 at the top tho

[charred wolf]

This is good and its has a lot of fans

[charred wolf]

Well i think i will go for the td500 ty

[worthy crypt]

Hello, my H710i has a usb type c but my mobo doesn't. Will I need it in-order to boot or will the type c just not work same with usb 3.1 gen 2

[pastel zodiac]

You can get adapters to go from usb c to usb 2 or 3

[elfin trout]

no need

it'll just not work

[slim venture]

^^

[proper pier]

What’s a good PSU for a 1000$ USD PC? (R5 3600 and 1660 Ti)

The total wattage for it is about 274W I think

[dawn matrix]

pcpartpicker wattage is not accurage

*accurate

[proper pier]

I’m really stressed about this because I see Corsair, EVGA, and Seasonic on YouTube but I hear on discord that other companies are better

[dawn matrix]

550/600W psu should be good

[proper pier]

But what brand, what model

[dawn matrix]

theres a pinned list in #building-and-recc-chat

[proper pier]

I’ve heard that list and PSU tier lists in general (I guess) are wack

Like I want to go EVGA BR but I’m being toKD to go with an Antec one

I don’t really trust Antec

[elfin trout]

Meh, PCPP wattage is pretty accurate for TDP

not amazing for overall

@proper pier good part about the LTT tier list is they list their sources, so if you wanted to make sure, you can check specific reviews.

[indigo galleon]

^^^^^

[south flame]

with a 5600X and 3070 a 750W psu is fine?

[granite egret]

Yes, that is fine

[frail onyx]

anyone could tell me if I can fit a gpu that is 2.2 slots in width can fit in a NZXT h210i that has only 2 slots? will I have enough space under for the .2? Pcpartpickers says no but I wanted to see if anyone has the answer

[simple zephyr]

whats the recommended psu wattage for a 3070

[vocal tartan]

650

[simple zephyr]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08M9DQN8Q/ref=twister_B08NT24V1T?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

so this should suffice?

[scenic lance]

Yeah

It has a quiet mode too

[simple zephyr]

ok

there is a v1 and v2 of this version

i should just go with v2 im guessing

[scenic lance]

👍

[simple zephyr]

ok great

cause some guys were saying i should go 750

[scenic lance]

Uh

What cpu do you have?

[simple zephyr]

ryzen 5 3600

@scenic lance heres my complete build

thanks for your input mate 🤙

[scenic lance]

Yeah I think the 650w should be good.

[simple zephyr]

okthanks

and case airflow should be fine

[scenic lance]

Plus it leaves you room to upgrade

[simple zephyr]

oh thats perfect

you think the case and gpu would be fine together

2 intake 1 exhaust for the cases fans

[scenic lance]

That case doesn’t have the best airflow, so you could consider getting a mesh one or buying some more fans.

It should be ok

But not the best

It depends on how much room you have left in your budget

[simple zephyr]

well i would say im at max right now

for the budget

[scenic lance]

Yeah it should be good enough. You can always upgrade in the future too.

[simple zephyr]

The case would be good enough?

[scenic lance]

Yes

[simple zephyr]

ok thanks man

i appreciate the help a lot

thanks greatly

oh and last question

[scenic lance]

You’re welcome 🙂

[simple zephyr]

you think the msi 3070 gaming trio would be a better cop then the 3070 FE

if both are somehow miraculously finally back in stock

[scenic lance]

Tbh, I would look at reviews.

[simple zephyr]

Ah ok

the msi one has more fans and better temps supposedly

that and it got rgb 🤣

better airflow i guess

[scenic lance]

Oh, you can get more FPS from that rgb.

[simple zephyr]

yea exactly

but imguessing msi would be the call since it got better airflow

[scenic lance]

I don’t think it will have that big of a difference. Probably whichever one is in stock lol.

[simple zephyr]

yea true 😆

other than that, is the build looking solid

[scenic lance]

Yep. I hope you can get the 3070 by 2022.

[simple zephyr]

OK good one 🤣

alright thanks a million times mate

[scenic lance]

Np

[simple zephyr]

i guess im going all in with this build

thanks for the reassurance

much love 🤙

[candid ruin]

Can I take all the parts from an old case and move them to a new one?

[languid perch]

What wattage is recommended for 6800/6800XT?

Not that I can even get one smh

[sullen cedar]

Does the 4000x corsair case support a top mounted 280mm radiator with corsair vengeance

?

on a asus b550-f

motherboard

[stoic shuttle]

will 650w be enough for an i9-10900k and an rtx 3070

[scenic lance]

hey guys

i have a question

this or the td500 mesh, which is better and why

im planning to get this cuz they added an 120gb ssd so i could just have my operating system on it

[pliant onyx]

120 eh i mean yeah you can have your Os

but you eont be able to dowload many games unless you have a HDD

[indigo galleon]

I would go 750w or 850w

[timber edge]

can anyone help me my lights are extremely dim on nzxt h510 elite and only one of the lights on the strip is working, i can controll fan speed but not colour, and im not sure which cable i plug in for the rgb

[scenic lance]

I need a very nice full tower

[dawn matrix]

meshify 2 xl is coming out

[scenic lance]

Anyone know if the EVGA Supernova GA is a good model? I can’t find it on the LTT PSU tier list

[scenic lance]

Rephrase: does anyone know of any solid psu choices ~90/100$ that can power a 5600x and 3070?

Preferably with modularity

[chrome iris]

Phanteks Amp 750w was around that price range last time I checked. Sefinitely might wanna raise PSU budget by like $20ish for that system though, definitely wanna get something goodd

[scenic lance]

What would you recommend for like 120-130 price range then?

[chrome iris]

@scenic lance here's a list of a bunch of good psus, take a look and see what you like https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/ry3RvK

gotta clock this btw

@scenic lance

[scenic lance]

Ok thanks!

So much is out of stock ;-;

[chrome iris]

ikr

[scenic lance]

Still better to wait for stock and buy premium Corsair or evga ig

Worth it

[open sinew]

do you guys think a 650w 80+ bronze psu is enough

for a 3070 and a 5600x?

[young osprey]

It's supposed to be enough

[edgy plinth]

Yes, 650W should do great with that rig

[open sinew]

ty

[steady walrus]

Guess I am going to be a part of the td500mesh gang once it arrives in 4 days

[open sinew]

ayee

im getting that case

white or black

im probably going black because it makes the rgb stand out more on the front fans

[steady walrus]

I got black since my room is green an black color screen

Plus all my parts are also black

[copper thicket]

What wattage should I go for a 600 watt build. My current PSU is 850 watt and struggles to output power for a 500 watt build lol. I don't want to waste money on a PSU that won't be powerful enough but I don't want to spend like $600 on a PSU

[young osprey]

how do you know your PSU is struggling?

and how do you know what your current wattage is?

[elfin trout]

@copper thicket How exactly do you know it's struggling? It's extremely hard to tell that without specialized equipment, afterall, instability and crashing has a ton of different possible causes.

[copper thicket]

Because I had previously been using an aging 750 watt PSU I had suspected was the source of some issues I was having with my computer. Switched to this newer supposedly more powerful PSU and started getting graphical issues any time my video card is under a heavy load.

[young osprey]

uhh

[elfin trout]

"suspected" is what we're concerned about

[young osprey]

im pretty sure thats more indicative that your video card has an issue

[copper thicket]

I mean, it didn't start with the graphical issues til I switched PSUs

[elfin trout]

Correlation isn't causation

[copper thicket]

I don't think the old PSU was the source of my problem

[young osprey]

its unlikely the new one is the source either

[elfin trout]

PSU is very unlikely to be the issue in any scenario

[copper thicket]

Why would it suddenly start with a new issue the second I switch though

[young osprey]

if you put the old one back in does it go away?

[copper thicket]

I haven't tested

[young osprey]

graphical issues in game are almost always a card/driver issue

if it was a PSU issue it would do a hard reboot or just shut off

most likely

[copper thicket]

It does that too

[elfin trout]

What kind of graphical issues

[copper thicket]

Like flickering black textures

when I play some games on high settings

[elfin trout]

That's very likely a driver/gpu issue

[copper thicket]

Well I'm planning on upgrading to a 3080 when I can get my hands on one

So I suppose I would know then

[elfin trout]

What GPU and PSU?

[copper thicket]

I have a GTX 970 and a corsair PSU not sure which model

[elfin trout]

Welp, Corsair makes both good and bad PSUs, any decent model shouldn't cause you issues.

[copper thicket]

CP-9020130-NA TX Series TX850M 850W 80 Plus Gold

[elfin trout]

TXm is pretty good

[copper thicket]

I'll hold on to it then, and test it with the new card when I find one

[elfin trout]

Also, just try updating drivers for the GPU at least.

[copper thicket]

GPU drivers stay up to date typically. The NVIDIA control panel tells me when updates are available

Thanks for the help

[elfin trout]

Mhm, try manually looking for an update

[pastel zodiac]

good modular power supply above 500 watts and less than 100 dollars

?

[elfin trout]

Phanteks amp 550w

[pastel zodiac]

in stock on december 11th

aaaa

[scenic lance]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147305
Is this a good case?

[sharp swallow]

I think there’s better in that price range

[open sinew]

@scenic lance that looks pretty nice

reminds me a lot of the fractal design meshify c

[steady walrus]

@scenic lance I mean best buy is selling 4000d airflow for 65 usd if you are looking for airflow, if ya want rgb idk

[open sinew]

you gotta buy your own fans though

right?

[steady walrus]

It has one 120 at the front and one 120 at the back

They are black though

[rotund vector]

Anyone good with rgb in cases?

[cloud birch]

I just built into a DIYPC Vanguard v6 rgb and the lights and fans will not go on. What did I do wrong? The included instructions were super vague.

[uncut stump]

psu amount for 2600x with 2060 on b450 pro4 with 1 nvme and 1 hdd and 3 fans

[oak nimbus]

550-650?

[scenic lance]

750 WATT

[cloud birch]

My fans that came with my case will not power on. The CPU fan works fine. What are my risks in running the computer without those fans? I am pretty sure that I will need to return the case but there is no customer support until Monday.

[uncut stump]

check your connections

there might be a chance you didn't connect the fans in the headers fully

are they 4 pin?

or 3 pin?

[cloud birch]

The fans are pre connected to a "controller "

I would attach a photo but no permission

[chrome iris]

500w+

[tender root]

@cloud birch the fans will need a power connection of some kind, either directly to each fan from the psu OR from the controller to the psu

[young osprey]

@cloud birch probably needs to power up the controller or connect it to the MB, or maybe even both?

[steady walrus]

Td500 mesh gang

[young osprey]

[chrome iris]

cant wait till i get that case

[unreal epoch]

I'm a P400A Shill. I have a fear that the TD500 glass will break super easily

[latent light]

Any recommendations for an itx build that's minimalist in design?

[elfin trout]

@latent light NR200p still :p

[latent light]

Okii ty :))

@elfin trout is the tempered glass panel the only difference between the p and non p variant? O.o

Or am I missing something

[elfin trout]

I think nr200p comes with a riser cable for vertical mount

¯_(ツ)_/¯

both should work

[ebon osprey]

I have got a corsair psu hx1000, and my gpu would be asus rog strix rtx3080 gaming oc. Would I need to buy extra cables for the gpu?

[mild roost]

Nope

[upper veldt]

^

[mild roost]

It should have dual 8 pin

All AIBs has that, but even then, 12 pin reference designs still has adapter cables

[ebon osprey]

Oh.. I thought the gpu is using 3 8pins

[elfin trout]

@ebon osprey Looks like the strix gaming OC uses 3x8 pins to me

but also the hx1000 comes with a ton of 8 pins

[rich loom]

Has anyone tried out MSI's power supplies?

What are they like?

Cause from the looks they seem pretty solid

And I haven't been able to find any reviews really

[unreal epoch]

I would avoid any PSU from a name brand like MSI or Asus

Corsair makes good units, and EVGA does/did (depending on who you ask)

[elfin trout]

meh

like XPG Core reactor is a pretty good PSU, the newer Asus PSUs are decent, just overpriced

[dusty yacht]

anyone knows when will newegg canada get the lian li o11 mini?

[unreal epoch]

Probably within the next 10 years because Canada never gets anything good.

I'd just hop the border and buy a P.O Box to ship items to.

[upbeat flint]

hey, is the coolermaster h500 gud

i bought it and i did my own research but idk

[young osprey]

yes, H500 is very good

<- has one

nice and quiet

[unreal epoch]

Which H500?

Because there's like 10 variants of the H500

[elfin trout]

@unreal epoch Coolermaster H500

no suffix

not the h500m or h500p

it's just the h500

[unreal epoch]

I see.

Is that a mesh one?

Because there's 2 no suffix ones.

[elfin trout]

@unreal epoch H500 no suffix comes with both panels

[unreal epoch]

Oi vei coolermaster...

Just supply the Mesh panel.

[elfin trout]

as in

you buy it, both come in the box

[unreal epoch]

Solid front panels should be illegal unless your case is the LianLi O11 Dynamic.

I know

[elfin trout]

heh

[unreal epoch]

But that's wasted time and money on making that useless solid panels.

[split hearth]

should i get the nzxt c750

[elfin trout]

@split hearth When it's <125$, it's a pretty good PSU for the price.

[split hearth]

is 120

rn

[elfin trout]

So it's good.

[split hearth]

free shipping also

lul

[last heath]

I am building a PC with the Corsair Crystal 280x Case and I am looking for the best airflow options with my H115i mounted on the top, two 120mm fans in the front, and two 140mm fans on the bottom. I know this case doesn't have the most optimal airflow but I love it for my setup aesthetic

[scenic lance]

Should my psu be making that noise?

[chrome iris]

Sounds more like a hard drive than a psu. Is it the hard drive making that sound?

[scenic lance]

I have no hard drives

[chrome iris]

Do you have a Chinese no name psu like your name implies

[scenic lance]

Its a well know brand but it has not good reviews

[chrome iris]

Which model is it

[scenic lance]

And my system isn't booting aswell

Thats it

[vocal tree]

xd

sad psu

[chrome iris]

Mmmmm

How long you had it?

That’s a bad model

[scenic lance]

Since April 2020

[vocal tree]

get new one

[chrome iris]

Well it’s worth it to get a new one or rma it. It should have warranty left on it.

[vocal tree]

Pure Power 11 500w, or CX 550

or another good quality psu

[scenic lance]

Corsair CX Series 750 Watt (2017) 80 Plus Bronze Certified Non-Modular Power Supply (CP-9020123-NA) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N9KIFWF/ref=cm_sw_r_u_apa_fabt1_fmgXFb3JQVWVE

How's this one

[chrome iris]

Why 750w

[vocal tree]

yeah why

[scenic lance]

Well I upgraded my hardware before my psu

[chrome iris]

I mean it’s a good model just why 750w

What cpu and gpu do you have now

[scenic lance]

My old gpu was a rx480 and my new one is 5700xt

[vocal tree]

don't need more than 550

[chrome iris]

Also you best be hoping that your cheap psu didn’t take down something else with it

[vocal tree]

lol it probably did

[chrome iris]

Yeah what were you thinking powering a 5700 XT with a smart 500w

[scenic lance]

Amd days minimum 650w

[vocal tree]

TT smart is a computer assassin

[scenic lance]

Well f*ck

[chrome iris]

Then you can get a 650w CX. It’ll be enough. And it’ll have some headroom which is nice to have

[scenic lance]

I don't think it took anything else with it bc I get a display output for 3 seconds after turning it on then nothing

[lucid holly]

what is the best cpu and gpu i can use for a 350w psu

[vocal tree]

65 watt cpu, sub-100 watt gpu

[lucid holly]

k thanks

[vocal tree]

do you have a 350w psu?

[scenic lance]

Well @chrome iris and @vocal tree yeah the psu is done smoke started pouring out the back

[vocal tree]

you'd better secure it, contain it, and protect the rest of your computer

https://tenor.com/view/secure-contain-protect-scp-scp173-gif-14077238

[scenic lance]

Never using a Thermaltake product again

TT psu that is

[vocal tree]

good

[minor portal]

imagine getting banned#3086 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dawn matrix]

hol up

did it actually smoke?

[scenic lance]

Yeah but not very much

[dawn matrix]

braeh

[vocal tree]

my prebuilt psu died much more politely lol

[scenic lance]

Its just gave me a big f*ck you and probably took something down with it

I guess I'll have to wait until my new unit gets here to see if it did or not

[chrome iris]

And this is why you shouldn’t buy cheap PSUs and push them to their limit

[scenic lance]

Yeah I'm not cheaping out on a psu again

[vocal tree]

a good PSU can still have a low price just fyi

[scenic lance]

What's the difference between 80+ bronze and gold

[vocal tree]

80+ is power efficiency rating

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus?wprov=sfla1

It means it's 80% efficient or more

Read further for a table of efficiencies

It doesn't really matter what it is as long as it's 80+ rated, you should be concerned more about other qualities of the psu

[hexed root]

Building from the ground up with the intent of using a Ryzen 5900 and rtx 3080... thinking min PSU I want is 750W but considering going 850W, any recommendations?

[uncut bolt]

Is a 650 watt gold psu fine for a ryzen 7 3700x and rtx 2070 super, I’m not over clocking

[vocal tree]

yes

you could do 550w even

[drowsy flame]

could i have some advice on a psu, im going for a 650 watt psu for about $180AUD roughly, i was thinking the 650 seasonic focus plus gold, however apparently it isn't compatible with the b550-F motherboard

would i be better with a corsair rm650x?

this is based off pc partpicker

[oak nimbus]

Why @drowsy flame?

[granite egret]

That doesn't make sense, there shouldn't be an incompatibility with a motherboard. The only incompatibility that could occur with a power supply is with the case.

[mighty grove]

Hello all, I have a stupid question that I need answered if you all kindly can assist me. I am in the process of buying the Snowblind S case by Ibuypower. The dimensions are 18.1in Hx 8.5in W x 17.1in D. The motherboard I am buying is 9.6in L x 12in W. Is the motherboard still going to fit?

[dawn matrix]

What form factor is the motherboard, atx or Matx

[mighty grove]

ATX

[dawn matrix]

It’ll fit

How a motherboard fits in a case isn’t really determined by the actual dimension of it, but the form factor

So a mid or full tower will fit atx

Micro atx case will fit, well, micro atx monos

And itx cases will fit itx mobos

And the larger ones fitting all the previous usually

[mighty grove]

Ahhh very helpful to know. Thank you for your help!

[mighty grove]

Another peace of mind question I need answered if you may. @dawn matrix My GPU's dimensions are 17 in L x 9.5in W x 3.5in H. Is it safe to assume that the GPU will fit in the case?

[tender root]

@mighty grove rule of thumb: the manufacturer of the case has a spec list that has the "max gpu length" info :)

[mighty grove]

Unfortunately, Ibuypower's website does not provide me that information. I thought it could be determined through the given information 😫

[tender root]

ask their customer service about it

its what they are there for :)

[scenic lance]

Is bronze good enough or should I try and get gold?

[upper veldt]

depends on the actual psu and the rest of your build

[chrome iris]

Model > efficiency

[upper veldt]

ye

||80+ isnt a not a bomb rating||

[vocal tartan]

80+ bronze minimum

[uncut jewel]

is a coolermaster td500 a good case

[elfin trout]

TD500 mesh is great

TD500 non-mesh not so much

[uncut jewel]

ok cool

[drowsy flame]

Well, apparently it lacks an extra 12v connector for the motherboard

It will still work according to compatibility notes

[scenic lance]

is 650w bronze enough for a 5600x and 3070 or is it worth paying premium for 650 gold or 750 bronze/gold?

[elfin trout]

@scenic lance it's worth paying for the quality, not worth paying for efficiency rating.

I'd much rather buy a good CX650w that's bronze than some crappy gold unit

[scenic lance]

ok so what about wattage differences within same brand

[elfin trout]

Brand doesn't matter

Like a CX over CXm

[scenic lance]

ok tht makes sense

[elfin trout]

ofc RMx over like some builder cx unit

yaknow

[scenic lance]

in my case would rm650 vs rm750 not matter?

since apparently 650 is plenty for a 3070 system

[elfin trout]

Good pricing wise, check Phanteks amp, TXM, and such in terms of PSU

[scenic lance]

also, any idea when psu's will be back in stock? Seagate, Corsair both sold out across most platforms

is this going to be as bad as gpu shortage?

[elfin trout]

seagate makes PSUs..?

waaaaa

[scenic lance]

my bad

seasonic

4head

[elfin trout]

United states?

[scenic lance]

yeah

[elfin trout]

Focus GM:
https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-focus-650-gold-ssr-650fm-650w/p/N82E16817151202

[scenic lance]

o nice

corsair RM > RMx?

[elfin trout]

no

RMx>RM

jap caps and overall quality is better

[scenic lance]

ok, I just assumed since RM released in 2019 and RMx slightly older

ty

[elfin trout]

RM is kind of a cut down series

slightly

[scenic lance]

idfk wht to do rn because the gigabyte psu I got with my gpu is apparently very bad

[elfin trout]

still a great PSU

hm?

GP-M is like decent enough

P-GM

close nuff

[scenic lance]

everywhere I look online there isnt enough info on it and it has some pretty awful reviews

the one youtube video I found with a detailed review the guy said the thing exploded on him

[elfin trout]

hmmm

I guess not

it was the AP-GM that was good

damn

[scenic lance]

capacitors are japanese but other components are apparently from no name brands and go poof

theyre selling them in a bundle to get rid of failed model stock ig

[elfin trout]

ima look for the cheapest good psu

brb

CX650 is 80$ to fall back upon

CX is a great budget PSU, it falls just a bit below high end PSUs

[scenic lance]

that is my most obvious choice since refund I get for the gigabyte puts me at 80$ to spend on a diff psu

[elfin trout]

Seasonic Focus GM 650w is the cheapest great one still

the one I linked before

[scenic lance]

yeah Ill save that and just hope price doesnt change between now and time I get my refund

worth paying 20$ more for premium

ig

[elfin trout]

your choice

[scenic lance]

all my friends who built in 2018 got their 850w rmx for like 80-90$ and im just stuck here lol

at least I got better gpu

[unreal portal]

How much psu wattage do I need for a ryzen 5600x, rtx 3070, b550 motherboard, and like 3 fans?

[scenic lance]

650w should be enough

750 if you want more headroom for upgradability in future

I think system like that under full load maxes out at like 530-560w so 650 is plenty

[unreal portal]

oh okay thanks

also is it worth getting 80+ gold?

[elfin trout]

@unreal portal get a PSU for the model and Quality, not the efficiency rating

[unreal portal]

oh

[snow zodiac]

I like the Corsair rmx

[scenic lance]

yeah ig rmx, rm from corsair and focus from seasonic are good

evga supernova g5, gs are good

[elfin trout]

everything in this parametric selection
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/ry3RvK

I'll expand it one day

[rich path]

Is there a dual system case that supports 1 atx and 1 matx system?

[unreal portal]

is rosewill a good psu brand?

[elfin trout]

check this
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

@rich path this thing might
https://www.newegg.com/black-thermaltake-core-w200-xl-atx-dual-system-super-tower/p/N82E16811133308

[rich path]

Now that's a big boy

[sonic pelican]

yo

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BtrYcf/evga-b5-650-w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-b5-0650-v1

or this

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8RvZxr/evga-bq-650w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0650-v1

[minor portal]

TopRanker#3523 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[umbral wave]

@ Everyone

[restive frost]

[dawn matrix]

[visual finch]

What case would you recommend that has built it lighting and fans and not huge? I bought a mid-size Rosewill Culinan V500 and I'm sending it back...it's a monster!

[elfin trout]

Well, that looks average in size in terms of mid tower, what motherboard are you using?

[visual finch]

I need 2-4 usb slots on the front too. I bought a B550 Aorus Master mobo but havent opened it yet and I'm considering sending it back because the reviews are mixed on it.

[elfin trout]

Well, what are you looking for in your PC?

Because that case seems like an average size for ATX cases, but if you need a smaller form factor system, it could be worth changing into a mATX/ITX build.

[visual finch]

I need it for an ATX mobo but the case at 9.5"w by 21"h seems huge.

Plus it didn't come with any hardware or the LED remote which was included. I havent bought a case in a while but they used to come with hardware like screws, standoffs, faceplates, etc and it didn't have any of that.

[elfin trout]

This is a case I like for ATX in general for example, 8.5"w, 18.5"h
https://www.newegg.com/black-cooler-master-masterbox-td500-mesh-w-controller-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811119378

[visual finch]

This is the one I got. https://www.newegg.com/black-rosewill-cullinan-v500-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811147292?Item=N82E16811147292

[elfin trout]

I guess you could try the TD500 mesh, but if that's too big for you, keep in mind that ATX might not be for you.

[visual finch]

The one you suggested is 1" narrower and 2.5" shorter so that might work for me.

Does it come with a remote to control the lighting or is it done through bios or software?

[elfin trout]

@visual finch iirc it comes with a physical controller and can be control by software too, it was talked about somewhere in this video, I'll go dig through it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iPggUimB4k

Yea it should come with an argb controller.

[floral hemlock]

I've been going back and forth on whether the hx750 i have is good enough for a 5800 and 3080 (i hear the 30x0 series sometimes spikes current a bit that can hit trips when its average is much lower) anyone have views on this?

[visual finch]

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll watch the video too but at first glance I like it. Gotta go eat and will check back later.

[elfin trout]

:)

[bleak wave]

isnt the panel on that acrylic tho

[scenic lance]

Does anyone know how to fix the front rgb on the eclipse p350x

[dawn matrix]

Also, no bazinga the side panel is not acrylic on the td500

[visual finch]

Ouch! I swear that case @elfin trout linked to was $99.99 before I left for supper and now it's $127.64!

[elfin trout]

ouch

Try amazon

Oh damn they're out too

wow

this is just 'tempoarily' out of stock
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08412JPCH/

but otherwise that's sad...

@visual finch Hm, this plus another fan or two will be a good case, the one that already comes with enough fans is out of stock.
https://www.newegg.com/black-phanteks-eclipse-p400a-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811854085

[visual finch]

The MB511 is $10 off though.

[elfin trout]

Nearly the same dimensions

[pastel zodiac]

im gonna bet the scalpers bought all the td500's

[elfin trout]

nah

TD500 mesh is just great

I really like the specs

and a lot of other people in the server love it

[visual finch]

If it's good enough for you, I'm pulling the trigger and paying a bit more for it.

Thanks for your help.

[elfin trout]

:)

[visual finch]

Bang! Just pulled the trigger. 🙂 Now have to wait to Dec 9 -14!!

[elfin trout]

:)

[visual finch]

What are manuals?

Oh, those things you read after screwing things up!

[elfin trout]

@visual finch the 60$ case is the version that comes with 2 fans, you could look into more fans for airflow afterwards if you're worried about temps

heh of course

who in their right mind would read the manual before running into a problem? It's a waste of time !!1!111!

[visual finch]

roflmao

[round mural]

im not sure if it is still on sale but there is the fractal meshify c

[visual finch]

I'm building my dream machine to I'm going for it!

[round mural]

could work for you but not sure

[elfin trout]

Meshify C and the P400a are pretty close really

since the cheaper (in-stock) version comes with 2 stock fans

[round mural]

i got my meshify c for 65 on black friday

only reason i bought it XD

[scenic lance]

I think I might get the meshify 2 xl full tower case

Is that any good?

[pastel zodiac]

is this a good power supply https://www.amazon.com/Certified-Modular-Performance-ApexGaming-AG-750M/dp/B08HJR292W/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=fully+modular&qid=1606839026&refinements=p_36%3A-10000&rnid=386442011&s=pc&sr=1-3

[stray flower]

What is a good case for $100

Micro

[elfin trout]

ITX or mATX

[stray flower]

Mirco atx

[elfin trout]

Try MB311

[unreal portal]

is the corsair b5 psu good?

750w, fully modular, $109

[azure helm]

Is the loan li o11 dynamic good

[elfin trout]

Corsair b5?

Maybe EVGA B5?

@azure helm if you can spare 200$ for case and fans, yea it's good

[azure helm]

I can probably like 80 dollars then a 3 fan sip

Aio

Not sip what

[unreal portal]

oh yeah evga

lol

[ivory wind]

i have sadness

i shouldve bought it

now it's out of stock or overpriced

Define Mini C TG

[unreal portal]

is this psu good? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dJmFf7/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-pe-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-1

[chrome iris]

yes

[random veldt]

Does anyome herr know where to plug in thr Lianli Side Strip ArGb ? I have it and i don't knownwhere to plug in. I have the lianli lancool II mesh performance

[zenith pond]

Hey does anyone know if there is an adapter I can buy that will let me supply power to the 12V 4pin plug that the newer mobos have. I have an EVGA G3 650 W 80+ Gold for reference. Thanks

[elfin trout]

@zenith pond you don't need extra 4pin 12v EPS if that's what you're asking about

When a motherboard have 8+4 on the top left of the motherboard

extra 4 pin eps is extra

[elfin elbow]

Hi everyone. I have no idea which forum to be in to ask the right group my question. But, I need a replacement power supply for my Surface Pro IV i7. I've heard that, although many watts and outputs have the same 'footprint,' not all watts, volts and amps are compatible with the i7 and my original OEM cord is mostly in Chinese, so I can't tell how to match it. Can anyone help?

[lone spear]

Can you please help @elfin elbow idk laptops well

[elfin elbow]

Thanks Smoggles

s

[lone spear]

Someone should come if not go to a server with surface pro users they probaly know more information

[elfin elbow]

The guy at NewEgg chat on their site directed me to post here.

[zenith pond]

Would it be better to go with an 8 pin to 8+4 pin splitter or a molex to 4 pin for the 4-pin CPU_PWR2 on x570s?

[elfin trout]

@zenith pond no

You don't need it

Unless you're doing 5950x under custom water, dice, or ln2 OC

[zenith pond]

Hey I appreciate your input but please stop pinging me unless you are going to answer my question.

[elfin elbow]

I figured I would give it a try. I guess if I understood why certain ones aren't compatible with an i5 or i7 processor, it would help. I'm thinking that if the output is too low, it won't 'drive' the processor. Can anyone tell me if my thinking is on track for electronics in general?

[elfin trout]

Single 8 pin will give enough power

[zenith pond]

That is what Im doing, thanks

[elfin trout]

My answer was that it's better not to bother with the extra 4 pin

[zenith pond]

You dont even know what my build is then you just contradicted yourself by explaining my build and saying that is the only situation you would use it in.

[elfin elbow]

And, is there such a thing as 'too much power?' ie if original was say 45w, will a 65w power supply hurt my laptop?

[elfin trout]

I believe I have the right to assume when I know the PSU, and the possible use cases.

:p

[zenith pond]

Alright you have the right to do whatever you want I just asked you not to ping me if youre not going to answer my question, please.

Thanks

[elfin trout]

That'll work

[elfin elbow]

Anyone here understand the relationship between power supplies and processors?

If not, I'll leave you all alone. Thanks in advance.

[teal flare]

8 pin from psu plugs into mobo, the vrm(power delivery) brings it to the cpu socket

from what I understand

[stray flower]

I'm very confused so I look up micro atx case and it comes up with mid tower

[elfin trout]

Laptop wise, "too much power" might become the issue, since it's all on the same rail afaik, and it'll just be running more current through the same connector.

[tacit wren]

You can always charge a laptop with a power brick with a higher current rating

[elfin trout]

Though I'm not sure how laptop power delivery wise

[tacit wren]

Almost any laptop uses 19 or 19.5v anyway

[elfin trout]

@tacit wren don't batteries have max current ratings?

[elfin elbow]

Got it. Ok. So, I need one that is strong enough for an i7, but not too strong. Ok. I'd call microsoft, but tech support keeps disconnecting at transfer. Thank you!

[tacit wren]

Sure? But the laptop power brick is in no way ever doing current limiting of any kind

Unless you short it, and that's a maybe

[elfin trout]

Fair enough

[elfin elbow]

Thanks MR1111. I'll check.

[tacit wren]

That's like asking if my 1600 T2 will push too much current though a i5 3570

[elfin trout]

I mean with desktop, the PSU's job is to convert power from the wall, and only give what is needed, but on laptop the power brick's job is to just charge the battery as quickly as possible, and pull as much as possible, as far as I know.

[elfin elbow]

Right. But, I can't figure out why some power supply replacements for a Surface Pro 4 specifically state not for an i7

[tacit wren]

, and only give what is needed
Not really

That's not how electricity works

[stray flower]

I'm very confused so I look up micro atx case and it comes up with mid tower

[elfin trout]

Well

Run as much current as needed

[tacit wren]

It supplies 12v , the VRM's decide how much they draw form that

[elfin trout]

Since there won't be resistance on anything you're not powering

[elfin elbow]

anyone have any ideas about that? (why some replacements that are for a Surface Pro 4 state not for i7)?

[tacit wren]

Other way around

[elfin trout]

Hm

[tacit wren]

i.e. an open circuit is effectively infinite resistance

[elfin elbow]

If you're answering, its too much greek for me. lol

[elfin trout]

Ah, I thought it'll just loop back in, effectively no resistance, but it's usually just not a complete circuit when it's not plugged in..?

[tacit wren]

If you were to try charge the battery + run a cpu heavy load it could draw more power than some of those power bricks could handle and damage them or your computer

The power brick doesn't decide how much power the pc needs

The PC does, and hopes the power brick can handle it

[tacit wren]

The high side mosfet in the power stage/VRM switches from megahoms to miliohms when activated

That dumps current from the 12v rail into the LLC circuit

[elfin elbow]

I want it to charge as fast as possible, of course, but don't want to hurt my laptop. On a good note, the 65w OEM on Microsofts site isn't saying not for i7. It is compatible with all Surface Pro 4s. Just trying not to spend $90 for a $10 or $15 supply.

[elfin trout]

Ah alright

[tacit wren]

The high side switches off, and the low side mosfets switch on, completing the circuit through ground

[elfin elbow]

I actually pretty much understand you Forks. Thank you!

[tacit wren]

I'd imagine 65w is standard for any kind of laptop like that

If it's charging with usb-c, it's veryhard to break anything

[elfin elbow]

No. Because they also offer a 35w, and 45w.

[tacit wren]

For USB-C , both sides "talk" to each other and agree on how much current is safe

You can charge a macbook with a phone charger for the same reason

I've charged my pixels almost exclusively from a 65w thinkpad charger since I've had them (4 over 4 years)

[elfin elbow]

And, a 24w. And, they all look exactly alike and connect the same way (with the little proprietary magnetic bar).

Ok. I am going to get a 65w non oem that is highly reviewed. Make sure my backups are up to date, and hope for the best. And, hey, if it burns it out, I guess it is time for a new laptop. lol Thank you so much everyone!!!!

[elfin trout]

@tacit wren alright, still trying to figure it out, where does the low side VRMs get grounded..?

[tacit wren]

I'm sure there's a bunch of buildzoid vids on this

[elfin trout]

So high side feeds currents into low side, low side switches to low resistance, therefore feeding current through..?

Oh yea

There should be, I'll go do that

[tacit wren]

The whole purpose of a mosfet is to be a switch

[elfin trout]

I thought of it as a filter

[tacit wren]

lol nah

A mosfet is literally like a valve for electricity

A powerstage is just both the high and low side mosfet in the same IC along with their gate drivers

[elfin trout]

As good a time as any to learn about VRMs :D

[steady walrus]

Mr111 look what came in

[zenith pond]

Would it be better to go with an 8 pin to 8+4 pin splitter or a molex to 4 pin for the 4-pin CPU_PWR2 on x570s? Thank you

[young osprey]

you can also just skip the extra 4 pins

[zenith pond]

I need it.

[tender root]

a 8 to 8+4pin split is just asking for trouble @zenith pond

and using molex is just silly

and no. you dont need it.

you might want it. but you dont need it

[elfin trout]

@steady walrus ooo nice Revolution d.f. is gonna treat you pretty well

And btw, I didn't even know before, but apparently D.F. stands for dust free, and there's a button on the back that allows the fan to spin backwards to blow the dust off the innards lel

[zenith pond]

@tender root Hey I appreciate the info but its a bit vague, can you elaborate on what you said at all?

[tender root]

the 4 pin cpu power, IF there is also a 8 pin on the mainboard. Is not needed

the board will boot/work just fine without it

[zenith pond]

Oh Im aware of what the CPU_PWR2 plug is for. I meant the stuff about the split and adapters

[tender root]

splitting the main dedicated rails is just not a good idea, that is all :)

[zenith pond]

Well like i said that is very vague do you care to explain that at all?

[tender root]

so, unless you are 100% on how your particular model of psu is wired internally.

its a good way of having your psu behave in a "odd" way

[tacit wren]

Any psu that doesn't have at least a single 8 pin is probably 10+ years old and not a good fit for x570

[zenith pond]

Huh, well that wasnt really what I was asking, but okay I guess.

[tacit wren]

Send it to your local e-waste recycler

[zenith pond]

I didnt say it didnt have an 8 pin but okay

Can anyone here answer the question I asked please?

[tender root]

ask again.

[tacit wren]

Just plug in the 8 pin and be done with it

No need for some jank adapter

[zenith pond]

Would it be better to go with an 8 pin to 8+4 pin splitter or a molex to 4 pin for the 4-pin CPU_PWR2 on x570s? Thank you
Alternatively, why is it bad to use an adapter or splitter for this?

[tender root]

splitter is bad because, as i said, its on the main rails.

and you dont want to split those

which is what i said earlier

[tacit wren]

I mean, a splitter just wouldn't really accomplish anything

[zenith pond]

Yeah its all just a bit vague like I said, no technical info on anything I asked about really.

[tender root]

because its not a technical question

[zenith pond]

The power supply has 3 rails and 1 is a 12V so im assuming I just need to connect an unused slot on the modular design into a 4 pin.

[tender root]

get the schematic for your particular psu

and do any mod by your own choice.

[zenith pond]

I would argue it is a technical question since answering it requires having knowledge of how electricity works combined with the ability to demonstrate that to others. But okay.

Im really just looking for an answer at the end of the day.

[tender root]

the answers given are as technical as they can get, with the amount of info supplied.

As i said, unless you are 100% about how your psu is wired....

[zenith pond]

The answers given were:

1. Telling me not to use the 4 pin at all which isnt what I asked
2. Telling me the board will work fine without it
3. Splitting rails is not a good idea (Not even sure if this is being done in the first place.)
4. My PSU will behave "odd"
5. Send your PSU to a recycler if it doesnt have a single 8 pin (Lol)
6. Splitter is bad coz its on a main rail.

None of those are answers to anything I asked.

[tacit wren]

Sure, but imagine if someone asked "should I use a steel or aluminum hammer to install my cpu?"

The answer is neither

[zenith pond]

Pretty sure you can just use the VGA2 plug on the back of the PSU I linked and adapt it to a 4 pin just fine but alright.

[tacit wren]

Not saying your initial question was stupid or anything, it's a great question - but the best solution, imo, is still to just plug in that 8 pin and be done with it

You can, but you'd have to have a cable made exactly for that PSU's pinout

[tender root]

which again, is why i said "get the schematic for your particular psu"

[zenith pond]

well no links, anyways isnt that pretty simple, like googling a picture sort of simple?

[tender root]

links dont work until you are lvl 3

[tacit wren]

fixed, post away

[zenith pond]

https://i.stack.imgur.com/Spsgx.png

[tender root]

thats the connector pinout, of the spec

[tacit wren]

Ya, those are standard across every PSU, but the end of the cable that goes into the PSU is absolutely not

They won't even fit

I've seen people cook their mobo using seasonic cables with a corsair psu etc

[zenith pond]

Yeah but I mean, thats pretty basic stuff. Im asking about using a port meant for top of the line overclocking.

[tacit wren]

Without a water chiller or ln2, no need to worry

[tender root]

it might seem simple, but nothing in your question, until now, indicated that you found it simple :)

[tacit wren]

A single 8 pin with 16 gauge wires can do 300+ watts

[zenith pond]

I already have it shipped

Hey I didnt say answering my question was simple which is why I asked for more than vague single sentence answers.
I said finding the layout of a PSU is simple.

Then Forks said the pinouts are standard across every PSU. Seems pretty simple to me.

I just dont understand why when I asked about using the 4 pin plug on my mobo I have to first explain that I do in fact actually need it in the first place.

Doesnt really seem related to my question.

[tender root]

because 99.9999999% of the people that come here are in a panic because their psu does not have it

and they dont need it either :)

[zenith pond]

Sure but I already answered a guy right before talking to you that I did need it then the first thing I told you was that I needed it.

[tender root]

remember, we cannot answer questions that are asked based on info we dont have

aka, we cannot read your mind :)

[zenith pond]

Right.... So the question was about the CPU_PWR2 plug.

I think all the info is pretty much there more or less. You have what its going into and the purpose and you have what is supplying the power.

All im looking for is how to connect them.

[tender root]

which, depending on how you are trying to do it. is reliant on either the internal schematic. OR the spec pinout.

[zenith pond]

I thought we already discussed the difference between a PCIe 8 pin and an EPS-12V 8 pin. Theyre pretty easy to tell apart imo.

[tender root]

and the choice of which one, is yours.

[zenith pond]

Riiight.... So yeah its not really a choice. Im asking about the best way to connect the two.

Pretty sure its as simple as buying an 8 pin to 4 pin wire? Anyone know if thats wrong who can explain why?

[tender root]

if you dont read what is written, there is not anyone that can help you.

[zenith pond]

Huh... Well no one has really written a response that hasnt been incredibly vague yet so Ill let you know.

[tender root]

and with that said, i wish you the best of luck.

[zenith pond]

Im looking for something that you could write in as an answer for a test sorta deal.

If you write something like "There are pros and cons to both ways." That would generally get 0 points as an answer.

[tacit wren]

What cpu/mobo/psu btw? Got a parts list?

[zenith pond]

So again real quick.
A. PSU: VGA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Fully Modular
B. Plug: 4-pin CPU-PWR2
Best way to get from part A to part B

I mean, I could go look up a parts list if someone really needs it I just dont see how its relevant and im on my phone.

Here is what I could find:

The 12V CPU power cables
CPUs used to be powered by the 20 pin main power cable. Almost all current motherboards power their CPU with a 12 volt CPU power cable. There are two kinds: the 4 pin 12V cable and the 8 pin 12V cable. The 4 pin cable is often called a P4 cable (although it's a very bad name) and the 8 pin cable is called an EPS12V cable. You must plug a cable into this motherboard connector or the CPU will receive no power. The compatibility rules between 4 and 8 pin connectors have a lot in common with the rules for 20 and 24 pin connectors. The best choice is to plug a 4 pin cable into a 4 pin connector, an 8 pin cable into an 8 pin connector, or a 4+4 cable into either kind of connector. You can get adapters which will convert various kinds of power supply cables into both 4 pin and 8 pin 12V cables. You can plug a 4 pin 12V cable into an 8 pin motherboard and it will sometimes work properly but other times it won't work at all or will burn/melt the connector. As with plugging a 24 pin cable into a 20 pin motherboard connector, you can plug an 8 pin cable into a 4 pin connector and leave 4 pins hanging over the end but you can also have the same problems with things preventing it from fitting. It will work fine if it fits

[elfin trout]

The problem I see is mainly with A,
The bit that plugs into the Mobo: Standardized
The bit that plugs into the PSU: Not standardized at all, and different models from the same company can even have different pinouts.

IF, and it is a big if, you could find some way to convert a connector on your specific PSU into the extra 4 pin EPS, you can do that, but that's generally either very hard to find or stupidly expensive to do.

[zenith pond]

Idk I just googled it and found this, I think it will work.
https://www.amazon.com/COMeap-Converter-Extension-Motherboard-9-5-inch/dp/B07TYVV4PY/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=4+pin+atx+connector&qid=1606853022&sr=8-3

[elfin trout]

The problem with that is this: The extra 4 pin plug is supposed to give more power than just the single 8 pin. It can only pull the same power the 8 pin usually can from the PSU, so it doesn't change how much power the Mobo/CPU can get.

The only difference in using that splitter and a single 8 pin is effectively only aesthetics of things being plugged in.

You only need to plug in the 8 pin for the CPU to work, or OC off of.

[zenith pond]

Yeah thats what I was worried about, seems like Ill have to buy a new PSU.
Not that it matters, but for about the third or fourth time, I know what the plug does and what it is used for but thanks for telling me again.

[elfin trout]

(The splitter would literally just splits the same amount of power, just into two plugs, pretty counterintuitive for power lel)

[zenith pond]

Well all the ports in my PSU arnt used so I wasnt planning on splitting a used cable honestly unless someone told me it could be done. I just provided the option since no one seemed to really know how to answer the question.

In a parallel circuit, the voltage is the same for all elements.

V = V_1 = V_2 = ... = V_n

[elfin trout]

Eh, you'd typically be spending quite a bit more on a PSU for the uses that require the extra 4 pin, so there's little demand and therefore very few people trying to makd a solution

Of course, but the current :)

[zenith pond]

yeah like i said i didnt know about the technical parts but no one else seemed to either so i ended up just looking it up myself.

Thought I could get a quick answer from someone who really knew what they were talking about.

[elfin trout]

Well, there's no quick-simple-solution-that'll-solve-everything, sadly.

[zenith pond]

Not really it kinda just sounds like someone who knew what they were talking about could have simply brought up the current being split from the start and the fact that all the other available ports didnt have the required voltage. Now that I educated myself I could do it for someone else pretty easily.

[elfin trout]

Oh well, now you know, that's all that matters

Oh and by the way, I'm by no means someone who knew what they were talking about, that'd be Naed or Forky

[zenith pond]

I dont really know anyone here I just wanted an answer to a question and it seems like I ended up talking about things completely unrelated for about 2 hours instead.

[elfin trout]

Eh, effectively, for 99% of the people, the "just go 8 pin" applies, and everything else is just annoying to do, and that's why we kinda kept saying just don't bother

[tender root]

It is not that we dont want to answer. Its that we cannot read the mind of the person asking. And this is not exclusive to you. That is very much a general observation

The more detail that is supplied, by the person asking, the more detailed an answer that person will get

[zenith pond]

Yeah but I specifically told you that I needed it multiple times and I told you exactly what I needed and provided names for everything involved. I just dont see where mind readaing comes into that.

I really dont see how I could have provided any more info actually.

[tender root]

you are going at it from a "1 to 1" pov. From my pov its a "1 to many" situation

if a person does not supply info, i can either spend a bunch of time trying to persuade them to actually supply it, or i can move on to the next person

[zenith pond]

Alright I told you the exact model of the PSU and exactly what I was going to do with it. What more info would you need in that situation, Im so confused.

[elfin trout]

For me,
"Need 4 pin" means weird implementation, don't bother with it.
Sure I expressed it poorly, but my belief is that you just shouldn't do it, and that's still my conclusion.

We can't read your mind, we don't know that you wanted WHY most of the solutions fundamentally wouldn't work, like the splitting current bit, so I can't go from "Need 4 pin" to explanation of splitting current

[zenith pond]

I mean to be honest, and Im really not trying to be a jerk here, it seems like none of you really know what the 4pin is for on the mobo and since you dont need it you kinda ignored it. So it just seems like I couldnt have really gotten help no matter what I said.

Like you said you just tell everyone not to use it because you assume everyone doesnt need it.

[elfin trout]

Of course, I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but I do express myself as a jerk.

[zenith pond]

lol

[elfin trout]

because there's something seriously wrong IN MY OPINION if you're trying to pull the amount of power required for an extra 4 pin (150w+ through the CPU) on am4, and you only spent for a 650w g3

[zenith pond]

Its old so I was trying to figure out if i needed a new one

[elfin trout]

fair, it might not be a need, but it might be a nice to have

By the way, if you are using a 5950x/3950x oc with what you're doing, congrats, you're the 1% of the 1% :)

[zenith pond]

Im using my computer for professional work and there will be times where I overclock it for several hours consecutively. Id ideally be able to keep it at maximum operating potential for as long as possible

I think the Intel users are the real 1%

[tacit wren]

I think my aluminum vs steel hammer comparison is valid

[dusky prism]

@elfin trout for gaming and some light streaming/video editing what cpu should i get max like 600 dollars? pair with a 3080

im considering 10900k rn

[elfin trout]

@tacit wren yea I like the comparison

[tacit wren]

Can't go wrong with a 5900x, but 10900k is fun

[elfin trout]

5900x if you can get your hands on one

but 10900k is good too.

[zenith pond]

Right, I never said the comparison was invalid, you just didnt ever really elaborate on anything you said, which is pretty much what Ive been saying this whole time.

[elfin trout]

(and 10850k if 10900k is gone)

Hey, we're people, we're lazy :P

[tacit wren]

^

[zenith pond]

lol

[dusky prism]

yeaeh ok ty

[elfin trout]

lmao

@tacit wren I wanted to start off by saying the rating (afaik 8 pin is rated for 150w), and not go straight to the "8 pin can go to 600w before melting" bit

[tacit wren]

8 pin gpu cable is officially 150w, but can do much more

[elfin trout]

600w might be an overexaggeration, but that's what Hei has been telling me

[tacit wren]

8 pin cpu EPS spec is more vague, but around 300 watts

16 gauge copper wire is like 4 ohms / 1000 ft

[dusky prism]

@elfin trout so if the mobo has a 8+2 for cpu power what am i meant to do in terms of plugs bc im pretty sure a 2 pin doesnt exist for a psu

[elfin trout]

oh interesting

uhhh 8+2..?

[dusky prism]

do i just use another 8 pin and only use a fourth of the cable

[tacit wren]

Probs means 8+4

[dusky prism]

yeah

[tacit wren]

8+4 is common on mid range boards

[dusky prism]

8x2 + 2x2

[zenith pond]

uh how many watts do you think the cpu is gonna be pulling?

[dusky prism]

whateber u wanna call that

[elfin trout]

@zenith pond a 5950x, under a heavy OC on aio, can't pull more than about 250w afaik

from GN testing

[zenith pond]

yup same

[elfin trout]

that's why we were saying like chilled/dice/ln2 is needed

[zenith pond]

Thats a given

The heat has to go somewhere

[dusky prism]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-z490-e-gaming/p/N82E16813119268?item=N82E16813119268&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-_-motherboards - intel-_-asus-_-13119268&source=region so this

[tacit wren]

I pulled 1KW through two 8 pins last week on ln2 lol

Just a 12 core too

[elfin trout]

opterons again?

[tacit wren]

10920x

[elfin trout]

doesn't sassy have one too?

[tacit wren]

Ya, same mobo too

I got rid of both my 10920x already

[elfin trout]

x299 dark's dedicated vrm fan is crazy lel

[dusky prism]

is it more worth to get a 1tb 970 evo + 4tb wd black or just a 2tb 970 evo

how fast is the wd black

[zenith pond]

Talking about a completely different brand it sounds like

[tacit wren]

sn750 trades blows with the 970 evo

[elfin trout]

here, pretty good all core

250w

they use a Liquid freezer ii 280mm for testing, which is the best performing AIO they've tested so far

well other than the 360mm

[zenith pond]

Do you have sauce on that?

[elfin trout]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72AHENDeTEI

GN is great

[zenith pond]

I mean the cooler

I cant stand that guy.

[elfin trout]

awww

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-All-One/dp/B07WSDLRVP/

280 and 360mm out of stock atm

[zenith pond]

best performing

[elfin trout]

mhm

[zenith pond]

.

[elfin trout]

the lineup is the best performing

I guess I worded it wrong, I can pull charts for you

[zenith pond]

Yeah thats what im saying

[zenith pond]

thats noise normalized

[elfin trout]

do you want your ears blown off
I consider noised normalized as the 'right' way to test things, but it's personal preferrence

[zenith pond]

Well I have expensive headphones so it doesnt bother me at all how loud anything is.

[elfin trout]

clc360 stays best but uhm

well, here's fans at 100%, take a glance at the dBA measured while you're comparing

[tacit wren]

If you don't care about noise, get a D15 and stick this on it lol https://www.amazon.com/Delta-Updated-AFB1212SHE-Cooling-Connector/dp/B07F7Z2YCM

[zenith pond]

dBA is irrelevant for me, I figured Kraken was the best, surprised at that EVGA though

[elfin trout]

Forks, what about grand macho with like two of them >:D

@zenith pond at 100% fan speed, it's the race of who can make the fan motor spin fastest :D

I wonder if ANC can keep up with delta fans lel

[zenith pond]

That EVGA is looking tasty

[tacit wren]

Kraken were previously some of the best AIO's, I think the coldplate on the new artic aio just works well with chiplet AMD

[elfin trout]

might be, but performance on Intel was also very strong afaik

[zenith pond]

I mean for my money Im still going with the coolest ones, especially with that EVGA over 4 degrees cooler than the next 3

[elfin trout]

@zenith pond just need to put some faith in your Active Noise Cancellation ;)

[zenith pond]

Im pretty sure Ill be able to just leave the room and remote desktop in from my new laptop if i really need to.

[elfin trout]

lel

@tacit wren think delta fans will work well on AIOs? Don't think they're pressure optimised, and more brute force airflow

[tacit wren]

Fans aren't* so black and white into pressure/vs flow categories

Just look at the pressure/flow graphs in the datasheet

[zenith pond]

So the 2x140 version of the ARCTIC are better than the other options then?

[tender root]

those are the deltas that howl aint it @tacit wren ?

[zenith pond]

https://www.newegg.com/arctic-cooling-liquid-freezer-ii-240-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835186247?Item=N82E16835186247&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-0DwPLSMwSX.xKvybFbCBEA

[elfin trout]

Ofc forks

That's why I asked

[tender root]

ah, no, those are not the howlers

[elfin trout]

I'm too lazy, and some are just good because of just airflow

[zenith pond]

Wondering if the 240 is better than the 420.

Smoke weed every day.

[tacit wren]

The one I linked is 1.6 amps, that's loud, but not bad. The fan from the gif where it eats my homework is a 3 amp 6500 rpm san ace

4 amp 120mm fans are semi common on 4u storage servers

[dusky prism]

whats better the ql140's or the ll140's

[tulip granite]

How do I know how much wattage my PC uses?

[stone blaze]

measure by the wall

wattage meter

Or get a psu with a display on it

[tulip granite]

without that, im buying parts and don't know hoe much to get

[stone blaze]

What are the specs/ parts?

Usually a good quality 800w is plenty for higher end pc with single gpu

[tulip granite]

Intel Core i7-10700F
32 GB DDR4
1 TB HDD
512 GB SSD
RTX 2060

[stone blaze]

600-700w is fine

I would skimp out on the 2060 because 3060 comes out tomorrow

[elfin trout]

hm

[stone blaze]

2060 is over priced rn and Id perfer you get the rx5600xt if you need a card asap (unless you camp it out and grind for the 3060)

[paper osprey]

Opinions on the H500M? I'm looking for a case with good airflow.
https://www.newegg.ca/iron-grey-cooler-master-mastercase-h500m-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811119349

[elfin trout]

seems more like 550w territory

[stone blaze]

decent

[elfin trout]

@paper osprey Get the H500 no suffix, it's basically a H500m for half the price

100$

bit less fancy features, but so much cheaper

[paper osprey]

Not sure I like the hump. But Maybe.

H500P Mesh is $90CAD cheaper

which is a nice middleground

[elfin trout]

hm?

@paper osprey don't get the h500p

it sucks

both h500 and h500m were improvements upon it

[paper osprey]

Are there any other similar high airflow cases you'd recommend apart from this line?

[elfin trout]

Coolermaster TD500 mesh

Phanteks P400a/P500a

Lian li lancool ii mesh

[paper osprey]

Oh damn that cooler master one be looking hot cool

[elfin trout]

ye

td500 mesh is great

[paper osprey]

that might be my jam then

Cases are a weird thing to research

I'm in love with front mesh and there are so many cool options

[chrome iris]

Can’t wait till I get my TD 500 mesh

[paper osprey]

problem is trying to figure out thermals of the cases I'm looking at

I guess it doesn't really matter

especially because I'm not OCing anyhting yet

[elfin trout]

hm?

@paper osprey all of those are amazing for airflow

I don't reccomend any cases that doesn't have good airflow

[chrome iris]

Top of the line

[elfin trout]

yea

they're all chart toppers

otherwise I won't recommend them

[chrome iris]

Except the NZXT H510 Mr1 loves that case

[elfin trout]

love eh

[chrome iris]

Love

[elfin trout]

love is a strong word

[chrome iris]

Yep

[elfin trout]

I'd rather use something like

detest

[tender root]

just like @chrome iris LOVES cleaning his room

or doing the dishes

[chrome iris]

What

How did you know

[tender root]

or carrying out the garbage

[chrome iris]

Are you my father

Ok garbage I don’t mind

[paper osprey]

My current case is an NZXT Phantom

unsure what model

[vague stream]

does a 2 fan card make the Meshify C look empty if you have any pictures can you send them deciding if I should get a 2 or 3 fan card

[scenic lance]

well the Meshify c is a shorter case so you may run into space issues with a 3 fan card

i would stick with a smaller card and more fan/rad space

[vague stream]

I think it can fit up to a 315mm gpu and I also wont be using an aio

[open solstice]

whats a good sfx psu for a 3070

[tender root]

@open solstice Corsair SF 600 should do the trick

[open solstice]

do you think the prices will ever go down

[tender root]

on something like a SFX psu?

very very rarely they do go on sale

but its not something i would hold my breath for :)

[vague stream]

they go up in price more than they go down in price

[mellow fjord]

is this a decent case

https://www.amazon.ca/DEEPCOOL-MATREXX-Supported-Motherboard-Addressable/dp/B07ZNFWDPC/ref=pd_di_sccai_2/146-8393340-8701360?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07ZNFWDPC&pd_rd_r=3fff6e94-6fa0-4643-b61d-5cab0e4c0f3d&pd_rd_w=Jq7Bl&pd_rd_wg=GzObx&pf_rd_p=e92f388e-b766-4f7f-aac1-ee1d0056e8fb&pf_rd_r=7DFN9WYT1198NK684D91&psc=1&refRID=7DFN9WYT1198NK684D91

[young osprey]

unlikely

glass front panel is a big drawback

[oak nimbus]

Mesh front panels are a bit better

[verbal breach]

anyone know if you can return a psu to micro center?

[tulip granite]

What happens if my PC uses or needs more power then my psu can provide?

[tender root]

it will be unstable

[tulip granite]

meaning... @tender root

[tender root]

that it might reboot on its own

or refuse to do X function

[tulip granite]

gotcha, thx

[verbal breach]

does it matter if it’s bronze certified instead of gold certified?

[tulip granite]

I think that just means the PSU's efficiently level

[tender root]

exact model is what matters

[verbal breach]

ok thanks

[dusky prism]

no its pretty bad

[sly spoke]

Guys i am using a lian li case any fan config right now is, 3 intake at bottom and 3 exhaust at the side and 2 exhaust for aio at the top is that ok?

Should i change the aio to, intake in a pull config?

[grim light]

yah

I mean it sounds good

[sly spoke]

so do i need to change the aio fans to intake instead of exhaust?

[grim light]

Typically people have their aio in the front but having it exhaust on top is fine too so no don't change it

[sly spoke]

ahh i see, yeah with the lian li 011 dynamic, i couldnt put the fan in front

thanks for the advice

[somber goblet]

im getting 850w for a 3700x and 3070

[tender root]

so, 200watts above recommendation, which is already generous on wattage

[sly spoke]

i got 850 watts for 3080 and 10600KF is that ok?

[tender root]

same as i said above, just 100 watts over instead of 200

and there is nothing wrong with either situation

its just, potentially, paying more for things you dont need

[sly spoke]

i thought i wasnt 100 watts over

[tender root]

650/750/850 for 3070/3080/3090 respectively

[sly spoke]

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-3080-SUPRIM-X-10G/Specification

msi scamming me

they said i need 850W

shame on them

[tender root]

you might, for their card

[sly spoke]

[tender root]

you assumed i spoke about a specific model

[sly spoke]

[tender root]

i only spoke about the FE/reference

[sly spoke]

but in this case i am still ok right?

[tender root]

what AIB's do, is their problem

aye aye

[sly spoke]

i just dont wanna play mid game and restart

[grim light]

Chances are you aren't running your psu up to the max anyways. My gpu has a recommendation of 600w, but my system only uses around 400-450 at max.

Most likely, getting reference psu wattage should be good for aib's, provided you aren't also having something like, a threadripper, and 200 leds.

[pastel zodiac]

is 500w enough for a ryzen 5 2600 and gtx 1050ti cause i might upgrade my graphics card in a year and i dont want to overload my power supply

[scenic lance]

it's fine

[pastel zodiac]

so what options would have to be able to upgrade my graphics card

could i go for something that draws 200 watts?

[grim light]

yeah with a 2600 definately

if youre gonna draw 300w tho go at least 650 but recommend 750

[paper osprey]

🤨

[chrome iris]

@pastel zodiac you could throw a 2060 or even 2060 super in there and it’ll work well

[verbal breach]

will a powerspec ps650gsm work for a 5700 xt and 3600x system?

[uncut stump]

i would get 850 watt just to be safe, that will also allow u to upgrade later @verbal breach

[rugged isle]

A psu with a long warranty will last 10+ years, compared to the 3 year warranty of a cheaper psu

so if you can afford it, buying a nice one might not actually be much more expensive if you consider total cost of ownership