#cases-psu-and-cooling

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chrome iris
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where they rank PSU models by tiers

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and as you can see, its tier D

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second to lowest tier

crisp quest
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thats a rating

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you said ratings dont matter

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remember?

chrome iris
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when i said rating i meant efficiency rating

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like 80+, 80+ bronze, 80+ gold, etc

elfin trout
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Tt smart is not just bad in quality

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It has bad rep in really bad failures

chrome iris
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its not the answer you want to hear man, but its whats true

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sorry

daring marsh
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@daring marsh TD 500 mesh white?
@chrome iris wdym

chrome iris
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@daring marsh for your case, look at the TD 500 mesh white

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you wanted a white case right?

daring marsh
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yeah

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k

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both look good

unreal garden
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@tender root simple answer when it comes to cases you buy them to already be stocked up with fans or you get a more bare bones case?

tender root
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@unreal garden hm?

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i think you tagged that one wrong

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or missed a question mark

unreal garden
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@tender root question mark added

tender root
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ah, now it makes much more sense @unreal garden :)

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its a question of budget and what kind of system is supposed to go in the case

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take something like the define 7 compact

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it comes with 2 fans

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1 front, 1 back

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IF you are doing a 2060-ish build with a 3600/3700? that is imo plenty

unreal garden
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Yeah I was hoping to go for a basic midtower to house my 3700x with maybe a 2070 or who knows a 3070 down the road or something along those lines

tender root
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admitted, i have a sweet spot for Fractal Design cases.

unreal garden
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They look so nice especially the meshify ones for airflow

tender root
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so something like the afore mentioned compact or the meshify C (i think its called)

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let me just check

unreal garden
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The afore is more compact?

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Like mini?

tender root
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aye

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slightly smaller

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and there is also something like the Meshify C mini

unreal garden
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I've seen a few builds for 3700x with a tiny case but they made it work well

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Yeah see something like that is what I always had in mind

tender root
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keep in mind, the above is mATX mainboard size max

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personally i have no problem with that

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because you generally really dont use the pci-e slots for anything

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heck, aside from my workstations, all my systems are ITX

unreal garden
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That one comes with a front and an exhaust fan too it looks like

tender root
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correct, 1 front, 1 back

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just like the Define 7 compact

unreal garden
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That kinda airflow sufficient for most gaming computers? I see some cases stacked with like 4-7 120 mm fans

tender root
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so note however IF you go really long GPU (3080 Strix fx)

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you are going to have a problem with clearance

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it is "only" 315mm clearance for the GPU

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which is still a BIG card

unreal garden
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That's always a possibility down the road I guess

tender root
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but some of them are longer

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and there are plenty of cards in the 3080 class that will fist

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its just something to be aware of :)

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re: airflow: Imo? yes. its plenty

unreal garden
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Right

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Also when it comes to psu I see people having issues with the cases fitting them I thought they generally were the same size

tender root
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re: gazillion fans: generally, aside from being something to talk about, they dont actually do much

unreal garden
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So in general a front and a back fan are enough to keep the air moving through sufficiently

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?

tender root
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as in, when you get to a certain point: the return on invesment is very small

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depending on the case? yes

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re: psu: elaborate if you remember details?

unreal garden
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Would a fractal fit most psu's I didn't think they were that bulky

tender root
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well, unless you get some silly big model? yes

unreal garden
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Say your typical 750 watt psu I can't recall dimensions

tender root
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175mm is a BIG psu

unreal garden
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Is that common?

tender root
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let me just grab some numbers

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this is from the spec sheet for the Phantek AMP

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which is a VERY good psu

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its about 110-120usd for the 650watt model

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it is FAR from the 175mm

unreal garden
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Okayy that's 140x150mm

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Yeah that sounds reasonable

tender root
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you can ofc find models that are big

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but generally i would have to go out of my way to find something in the brands i normally work with

unreal garden
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I think my psu coming in today it's a thermaltake gold 750w I just forgot to peep the dimensions before ordering it

tender root
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look up the exact model name and just look on TT's site :)

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your order confirmation should have it :)

unreal garden
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150x160

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Hmmm

tender root
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aye 160mm

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plenty of space still

unreal garden
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Okay good I was afraid I was gonna find out it's too bulky and I'd need a special case lol

tender root
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nah, dont worry

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a lot of the people that run into trouble with psu's (i had to get my brain thinking back)

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are also generally the ones that are "looks over practicality" in part selection

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if that makes sense?

unreal garden
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Lol

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Yeah I think so

tender root
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generally IF you pay attention, the info you need to prevent things not fitting IS available

unreal garden
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Right, which leads to another question about cpu pin connections

tender root
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ask away :)

unreal garden
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I see people complaining about it only be 8 pin and the want more for their mobo

tender root
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as long as you remember that there are no stupid questions, only silly answers

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you can ask all you want :)

unreal garden
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But then people say extra connectors on the psu are for extreme OC'ing and they would have no need to be doing that

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Yanno what I'm taking about?

tender root
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that complaint makes no logical sense UNLESS you have been reading feedback from some Overclocking maniacs

unreal garden
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This psu has the standard 8 pin plug in I believe thats common for cpu on the motherboard right?

tender root
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aye, thats the EPS connector

unreal garden
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Right right

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So for people who overclock like crazy what do they want like an 8+8?

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Or how does that work

tender root
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aye

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they want as much juice as they can possible get

unreal garden
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I get confused hearing about this stuff so basically they'd double their power going into the cpu?

tender root
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aye

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OC when you get to a certain point stops being "practical" and more "lets hope stuff does not blow up"

unreal garden
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Yeah it seems alittle crazy

tender root
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you can strike the "a little" part from that :)

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because generally, machines are fast enough

unreal garden
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Okay good so I'll be straight with my 8 pin

tender root
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also, keep this in mind

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dont ever OC something you cannot be without

unreal garden
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Exactly if it's a high end cpu in the first place why would you overclock it even for gaming I don't think there'd be much of a need

tender root
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well, depends on what you are trying to do

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if you are chasing a high benchmark score? it makes sense

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but 1-3 more frames are generally not going to make or break your gaming experience :)

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(for the lurkers: yes, that is simplified a lot)

unreal garden
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Lol

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Cpu load during a high end game would generally stay low with a better cpu, right?

tender root
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its a good question

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that looks/sounds simple

unreal garden
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I watched a YouTube video of a guy benchmarking a bunch of cpus and say a 3900x and a 3700x were only around 50%

tender root
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but it has a complex answer

unreal garden
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The 3600 was still pulling good performance but was closer to 90%

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That based on core usage?

tender root
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its a case of "it depends"

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aye, the 3600x is a 6core cpu

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the 3700x is 8 core and the 3900 is a 12 core

unreal garden
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Then their load percentage would be lower

tender root
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yes

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if JUST looking at the model names, it looks "bad"

unreal garden
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So if you have one of those cpus doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of overclocking because you'd already be chillin with all those cores

tender root
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but in reality the 3900 is basically 2 * 3600 in one cpu

unreal garden
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Cuz it's double everything

tender root
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aye

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"So if you have one of those cpus doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of overclocking because you'd already be chillin with all those cores" <- for the regular consumer? i would say yes

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BUT

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make no mistake about it, OC'ing things can be fun as all heck :)

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but generally for the regular build? its not worth it, prices of faster cpus are low enough that you dont need to

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Plus, there is the automatic turbo/boost that happens on modern cpu's

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they are generally running as fast as they can already

unreal garden
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Oh good

tender root
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(for the lurkers: yes, that is ALSO very simplified)

unreal garden
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I'd be afraid to overclock anyway

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Since we on the topic of cpus

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The wraith cooler that comes with the 3700x has thermal paste pre applied

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Is that sufficient

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Some internet people be saying you should apply more but that seems excessive

tender root
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aye

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its plenty

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some internet people also need a reality check

unreal garden
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Or that you should remove the existing stuff cuz of bubbles but I'd think it'd be fine and smooth

tender root
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when it is mounted, things will be just fine

unreal garden
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Should their be a worry of it drying up?

tender root
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unless you pull it out of the package and put it in the oven for a day or so? no

unreal garden
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So when installing the cooler on the cpu I shouldn worry about adding any thermal paste cuz it's already taken care of?

tender root
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aye

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for the stock cooler that is

unreal garden
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Right

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Okay good

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And I like that cooler it seems like it does the job from what I've seen

tender root
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aye, its a solid enough cooler

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the only downside to it, is noise

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BUT

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that is compared to coolers that cost 50usd and up

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and the stock cooler is afterall free :)

unreal garden
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Exactly

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Not bad for being included

tender root
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indeed

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imo, there are more important things than the cooler to upgrade in a build

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ofc, IF you have everything else, then yes, upgrade the cooler

unreal garden
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I see alot of liquid coolers in builds

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But that's out of my price range

tender root
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its also overkill in a LOT of builds

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a LOT of them are basically just light shows

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and i find it rather ... silly .. to pay that amount for a lightshow

unreal garden
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6 case fans and water coolers

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Lol

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Makes the price go up alot

tender root
unreal garden
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Half the 3700x builds on pcpartpicker I was seeing water coolers I was thinking dang I don't have that kinda money

tender root
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you will see builds that have more money spent on coolers, fans and lights than the GPU

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do you have a build list?

unreal garden
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Nothing set in stone I have my cpu I have my psu and I have two mobos in mind

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The rest of the stuff still deciding

tender root
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fair enough :)

unreal garden
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Case and gpu might come last

tender root
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any rough idea about ETA for building?

unreal garden
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Uhhh

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Probably by the end of the fall at the latest

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I wanna deal on the gpu since that's the most expensive

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Kinda wanna sit around black friday on that

tender root
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fair

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remind me again when that actually is?

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(not from the US)

unreal garden
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Technically it's december 21 when winter starts

tender root
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ah, plenty of time for things to settle down then

unreal garden
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Black friday is the day after Thanksgiving which is usually like November 26th

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Or around that week

tender root
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you have the luxury of waiting to see how zen3 and the RDNA2 stuff turns out

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upcoming CPU and GPU from amd

unreal garden
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Yeah I'm happy with the cpu I got tho it was a good price

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But yeah

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Curious about the next gen

tender root
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a lot of the tech community is :)

unreal garden
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Also about their upcoming gpu series

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If it's a bit cheaper than the 30 series

tender root
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i would prefer if it was faster and the same or slightly more money

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that would not hurt the competitive landscape at all

unreal garden
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Yeah I dunno if it'll be faster

tender root
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noone does :) (yet)

unreal garden
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I kinda prefer nvidia when it comes to gpu

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But if amd makes some big moves

tender root
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no matter which you prefer

unreal garden
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I'll consider

tender root
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it is in your best interest that neither of them stays on the top for too long

unreal garden
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Exactly

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The beauty of competition

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😎

tender root
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and nvidia has been on the top for a bit too long as things are right now

unreal garden
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Bro the 20 series was so expensive

tender root
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yes/no

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the problem was the quality of the 10 series

unreal garden
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A 2070 super even now is kinda pricy

tender root
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aye, because its direct successor is not out yet

unreal garden
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Wait what's the deal with the quality of the 10 series

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I'm curious

tender root
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their performance was so good that the people that had them, had no compelling reason (beyond raytracing) to upgrade

unreal garden
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When did the 10s come out again?

tender root
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summer 2016

unreal garden
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Wow I assumed it was longer ago

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I only just started paying attention in the past few years

tender root
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1070/1080 was end of july 2016

unreal garden
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I remember those going into alot of gaming laptops

tender root
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and about a week-week½ after, the 1060 was launched

unreal garden
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Speaking of

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Is there a release date on the 3060?

tender root
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no

unreal garden
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That one looked kinda nice

tender root
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we will most likely hear more about it between the zen3 announcement and the rdna2 announcement

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simply because nvidia does NOT want AMD to have all the press attention

unreal garden
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What's your country of origin btw?

tender root
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denmark

unreal garden
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Very nice

waxen patrol
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anyone got a good atx case they would recommend with plenty of space for a cpu cooler radiator and fans? I got the TD500 and it has little to no room for cpu cooler, i mean i have it in but its smashing my ram

nova oar
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is that really a case issue then? sounds like you just got tall ram and a beefy cooler

young osprey
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yes, that is a CPU cooler issue if there is a ram clearance problem

tender root
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his issue was solved earlier today

daring marsh
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R the p500a and td500 cases airflow? Which is better?

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I want a good airflow case that is white

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Cuz some ppl said the p500 andtd500 r not airflow

half meadow
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They are both good airflow cases

proud steeple
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Get the 4000d airflow love_it

golden kestrel
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They both have good airflow but I haven't seen the p500a in stock for a long time and the td500 mesh has 3 included fans, so I think its the better option

tender root
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because its a pita to keep track of things up there :)

open sinew
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are matx cases worse for air flow then the atx cases if i had the same parts

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ye i c

tender root
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generally no

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ofc, it ultimately depends on the case design

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that is a smaller version of the meshify C

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mATX boards being the max

proud steeple
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Any opinions on the Corsair 4000 series vs the NZXT H510?

tender root
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hm

proud steeple
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They both are my favorites design wise. The NZXT looks much better in white IMO, but I’ve heard of cooling issues

open sinew
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same i really liked the h510

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but everyone says the thermals are bad

tender root
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okay, the following will ruffle some feathers

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a LOT of cases that are "known" to be "bad for thermals!!!!!" are perfectly fine

open sinew
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oh really i might cop the h510 then

proud steeple
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Yes I agree. I think most cases made by reputable companies won’t overheat any components. They need some form of usable airflow

tender root
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yes, they dont perform like a open test bench with a industrial jet engine fan pointed at it

open sinew
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shame there isnt an matx version though

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i really like the h510 it looks simple

tender root
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but generally, things are NOT as dire as people make it out to be

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HOWEVER

vocal talon
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rip the h400

tender root
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keep the following in mind

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because people are really bad at conveying what exactly they are going to use a case for, it is ALWAYS the safer bet to go with something that has good airflow

proud steeple
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I’m just not a fan of mesh.... idk why I just can’t get into the meshify c or p400a. I don’t mind the corsairs 4000d airflow but the front panel is just meh

tender root
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hence why TD500 mesh etc are recommended

open sinew
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i c

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so what is the h510 good for

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i mean if i put a 3080 and 5700x in it

open sinew
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im probably using it for heavy

tender root
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just saying

open sinew
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?

proud steeple
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Now the h510 elite is arguably bad

tender root
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@open sinew my comment was in regards to the link i posted :)

open sinew
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oh the define mini c tempered glass looks nice

tender root
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aye, the "Define" series has nice design lines

proud steeple
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Won’t you need a smaller Mb tho?

tender root
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and @proud steeple yes, the H510 Elite is a good example of volume NOT telling you anything about airflow :)

open sinew
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where do i buy it though

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ah i found it on newegg

proud steeple
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Amazon too

open sinew
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imma change my build real quick then

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any good matx motherboards?

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wait will it fit a 3080

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/ 3070

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yeah it'll fit

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sweet

proud steeple
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Matx is se expensive tho 😭

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Wait there’s non on pcpp

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Unless it’s b550

tender root
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there are plenty of good matx boards

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and yes, they are b550

proud steeple
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I don’t need to change my build for a 500th time kekw

tender root
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suuuuure

open sinew
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its my first build and my budget is around 1500 to 1600

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i have 2k for both a computer and a laptop but im kinda axing the laptop for now

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since

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covid

proud steeple
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You and I are in the same boat as far as build price

open sinew
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hm

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the define c mini is actually cheaper then the case i was going to get

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the td500 mesh is like

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99

proud steeple
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I think I’m going to go with the white Corsair 4000d airflow

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And add the 3x icue fans for the front

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That’ll also give me a bunch of Corsair parts lol. Ram, case, fans, and psu

open sinew
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damn

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is it worth getting the 100 dollar h100i for the cpu

proud steeple
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Which cpu?

open sinew
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ryzen 7

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3700x

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maybe zen 3 ryzen 7 though

proud steeple
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Maybe. Stock cooler is solid so I might not get one at first

open sinew
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im not going to overclock

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because i dont really need the extra 5% performance anyway

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yeah like 5%

proud steeple
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Yep

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Stay with stock then. Not worth the extra cost

hearty bolt
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I feel like the phanteks p500a has been out of stock for so long

daring marsh
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yes it has

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lol

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u can get td500 as cheaper replacement

timid cedar
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Linus: "Even a high quality 850w couldn't keep up with our rtx 3090"

nova oar
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or a lancool 2 mesh

scenic lance
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Can I top mount a 280mm kraken x63 on a td500 mesh?

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If I use low profile memory

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I guess not right?

scenic lance
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Kind of a deal breaker for me

scenic lance
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what case is good for an rtx 2080 and

void coral
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Does anyone know if An Intel Core I7 6700 @3.40 GHz Cpu and Acer Aspire T3-710 Motherboard (Prebuilt) Handle a 1650 super

chrome iris
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@void coral if the motherboard has a PCIe X16 slot and the power supply has a 6 pin connector, then it should

vocal talon
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yeah just make sure the psu has a connector, mobo is fine

pliant cypress
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When will P500A restock?

chrome iris
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nobody knows

pliant cypress
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Did Phanteks stop producing them

chrome iris
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idk

lofty pewter
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Linus: "Even a high quality 850w couldn't keep up with our rtx 3090"
@timid cedar me at Linus wuuut

timid cedar
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Indeed

lucid cove
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Got a quick case question , does anyone recomend a decent mid or full tower case with at least 3-4 5.25" external drive bays if 3 I'll need a 3.5" external as well, these seem to be a dieing breed and the ones I've seen seem to be a bit flimsy, thanks!

placid sierra
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are you going to use them tho

scenic lance
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Anyone have any Corsair Case?

eager monolith
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@scenic lance I've had two. Why'd you ask?

scenic lance
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Just wondering. Thinking of building a PC but can't decide what case to get

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most likely going for mid tower

proud steeple
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I’m looking into the 4000 series. Have only heard positive things so far

scenic lance
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Yeah i was thinking of that too! But what bothers me is the 2 fans it comes with lol. Odd setup

proud steeple
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It’s mesh though, so while more would be nice it won’t need them really

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I might pick up 3 icue fans for the front tho I’m not sure yet

scenic lance
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Just odd that they didn't include 3 already for the mesh one, like the tempered glass version

proud steeple
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Well the tempered glass one needs the extra fans, and that’s what you get for the extra money. But I would rather pay $85-90 for 3 included fans (non rgb)

eager monolith
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I'd warn you to check reviews if you go Corsair. I initially went for a flashy Corsair RGB case (Spec Omega), super cheap materials and poorly designed

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They make good cases too, but always good to look at reviews first 🙂

proud steeple
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I’ve watched 5 or so on the 4000d airflow and havent seen any complaints but I agree always do your own research

scenic lance
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I always look at reviews.

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I do like the tint on the black version of the 400d

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4000d*

elfin trout
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Reviewer reviews, not random Amazon reviews :)

eager monolith
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Yep, brands can pay under the table for those

proud steeple
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I’m thinking of the white, although the tinted is nice

scenic lance
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Tinted seems rare for me. So might be going for that one

elfin trout
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Meshify C?

proud steeple
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Meshify C isn’t bad

elfin trout
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(I mean a choice with tinted side panel)

scenic lance
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Yeah that one isn't bad

proud steeple
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Oh not sure? It might have one

scenic lance
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I like the simple design of the 4000d

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Has anyone got a Full Tower? I was looking into those as well. But it seems overkill for what I'm gonna be building

mortal mantle
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would a seasonic gx 550 be enough for a ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 2060?

modest ginkgo
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Has anyone ever used a High Power hpg-700st-f12s? Im putting together a list of parts for my friend, so he can upgrade his current PC. This is the one he has now. Will it work, or should I add a new PSU to this list?

eager monolith
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would a seasonic gx 550 be enough for a ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 2060?
@mortal mantle B-tier. Decent enough, but I'd make sure you can't find a similar or higher wattage A-tier for an eqv price

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Has anyone ever used a High Power hpg-700st-f12s? Im putting together a list of parts for my friend, so he can upgrade his current PC. This is the one he has now. Will it work, or should I add a new PSU to this list?
@modest ginkgo Can't find much info on that model. Brand looks sketchy and they have some very low rated PSUs. What specs will it be running and what does he want to spend on it? I wouldn't risk it if he is putting decent parts in there

modest ginkgo
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The planned upgrades are a Ryzen 3600 and a GTX 1660

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And he wants to spend around 600-ish

eager monolith
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Ok... Hmmm

modest ginkgo
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The GPU isnt included in that, since Im selling him one of mine

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So 550-600 for a pretty much everything excluding the GPU

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3600X, specifically

eager monolith
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Looks to be a custom PSU sku from iBuyPower

pliant cypress
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What tier is it

eager monolith
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Not on the list. But there is a model that looks very similar (a letter off) that's D-Tier on the tier list

modest ginkgo
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^

eager monolith
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I'd try to flip it on ebay and get a b-tier or something

pliant cypress
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So $600 dollars? Maybe an RMx 850

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Or an RMx psu

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RMx is A tier

eager monolith
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for a $600 build? That's a good portion of his budget

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and he doesn't have top of the line specs

pliant cypress
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Or a Seasonic Focux GX

modest ginkgo
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Yeah, those are probably gonna be a bit too much for now

eager monolith
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One sec

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I'd try to sell what you have. It's will probably get you a decent penny as it is high wattage, even if it's a crappy brand. Then you could used that to get something cheap but well rated, like this: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Certified-Refurbished/Power-Supplies/cx-series-config/p/CP-9020121-NA/RF

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Refurblished, but $50 for a b tier

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I think that's a decent fit for your specs

modest ginkgo
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Alrighty, Ill discuss it with them and see what they wanna do

vivid flare
#

ayo I was wondering how I could hypothetically get switches to boot up my pc like a racecar or something does where you have to flip like 2 or 3 switches then one big one and then it starts

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yeah how do I do that and is it extremely expensive

tired oak
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What is a relatively cheap, but good quality 80+ gold psu, 750w and above?

eager monolith
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Do what I do: go into PCPP, sort by price and set your min wattage, find the first PSU that is of an appropriate tier
(checkthepins ) for the specs

tired oak
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Is that reliable?

eager monolith
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Yep, that is a well accepted and well documented tier list.

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Probably want A or B tier if you are concerned with quality

tired oak
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Great thanks

elfin trout
eager monolith
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I like that. Should add a B-tier one too

elfin trout
#

Ya I should

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At some point

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Maybe get it pinned >:)

vocal tree
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What tier is Pure Power 11 in?

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I forgomt

elfin trout
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@vocal tree b

vocal tree
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Ah

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Thamks Nice

proud steeple
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NZXT H510 best case

chrome iris
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._.

proud steeple
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im jk

chrome iris
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i sure hope so

proud steeple
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I like the 4000d airflow. I know its not the best but it looks good and performs fairly well for what it is

chrome iris
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i like the TD500 mesh. I love the design so much

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although most people dont really like it

elfin trout
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I say it's 50/50

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you either love the design, or you hate the crystal thingy

pliant cypress
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The Lan Cool 2 mesh and P500A Are also pretty good looking

elfin trout
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@pliant cypress tbh, all personal preference in the end

pliant cypress
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Yeah

elfin trout
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I personally hate how the lancool 2 mesh's front mesh extrudes

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feels like you just

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dragged it out

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a bit less of an issue with P400a, but I dislike it's look for the same reason

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TD500 mesh looks good in the front imo because it looks like it's supported and it's just a single flat piece of mesh

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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all personal preferences

ivory wind
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@scenic lance here would prolly be better

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but they seem to be helping you there so nvm

scenic lance
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ah ok ty

elfin trout
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Build-chat is multipurpose and does everything :P

lunar root
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I think it’s time for a new case

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With better cooling support and dust protection

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I would so like the case to up upgradable and have disk slots

chrome iris
#

Fractal Focus G?

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Cougar MX330-G?

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by disk slot do you mean 5.25 inch drive bay?

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@lunar root

lunar root
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I think my drives are 3.5

chrome iris
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oh just hard drives

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oh yeah you have 2 hard drive

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s

lunar root
#

I wanna get SSDs then

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Too but rn yes I have 2 hard drives

chrome iris
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ok so 2 hard drive slots plus a few 2.5" ssd slots?

lunar root
#

Also if I upgrade my motherboard I can get the m.2 drives

chrome iris
#

whats ur budget for new case

lunar root
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I have 1 slot for a m.2 rn but my audio isn’t working rn

chrome iris
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(also you better be getting a new psu before this)

lunar root
#

Did you hear

chrome iris
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hear what

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im deaf

chrome iris
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S12III...

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well, i guess its better than an N1

lunar root
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It’s tier 3

chrome iris
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yeah, wouldnt use tier C for a 5700 XT but whatever

lunar root
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Why

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It works

chrome iris
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it works

lunar root
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Yes

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I play all my games in altru

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Altar

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Unattached

chrome iris
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wont last as long, and 5700 XT uses a lot of power so theres bigger chance of failure and stuff but its whatever

lunar root
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Ultra

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I can turn power draw down

chrome iris
#

whats ur budget for new case

lunar root
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But I turn it up

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Maybe 0-300

chrome iris
#

$300 for a new case o_o

lunar root
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Max

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So

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Maybe one for $100 could work too

chrome iris
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lol ok ill stay around the 130ish range max

lunar root
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I want it to fit ATX boards

chrome iris
#

TD 500 mesh
Meshify C
P300A mesh
Lian Li 011 dynamic (if you want to get really fancy)
275R airflow
220T airflow
Cooler Master H500
MX330-G

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yep all fit atx mobo

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and have at least 2 drive bays

lunar root
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i will look at them all brb

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is it to much to ask about some upgrading to a E-ATX

chrome iris
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why would you do such a thing

lunar root
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um bc im me

chrome iris
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theres no reason to

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other than wasting money

lunar root
#

yea but i like wasting money so

chrome iris
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(if youre sticking with mainstream intel and ryzen that is)

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but you dont like spending more money on a power supply?

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get your priorities straight please

lunar root
#

Sigh...okay I now have a job which means I can spend some extra money on stuff and yes...I will upgrade to a tier A power supply soon just give me some time and I’ll have everything in order

chrome iris
#

look man, we're trying to get you to not spend extra money

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and you keep not listening

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save some money for like college or something idk

lunar root
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That’s Bc I want big stuff

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That’s why I don’t listen

chrome iris
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you should

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all of us are trying to help you

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and we cant help someone who doesnt listen

lunar root
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Ik but I don’t need it....99% my college is going to be paided for so I upgraded my pc

chrome iris
#

you can always save your money for something

lunar root
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Yes ik but if I want to have a E-ATX board you guys tell me no...

chrome iris
#

saving your money would be better than burning like $300 or more just for a highly unneeded EATX board

lunar root
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I need the pci slots

chrome iris
#

do you really

lunar root
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Yes for sound card and more usb slots

chrome iris
#

you can get all those on an ATX motherboard

lunar root
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I mean brb

chrome iris
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atx motherboard have like 6-7 PCIe slots

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thats enough for a GPU, and a sound card, and like 3 usb cards

lunar root
#

The issue is rn my GPU is so big it’s blocking my m.2 and 1 of my pci slots

chrome iris
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isnt M.2 under GPU?

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just take out the GPU, insert M.2, and then put GPU back in

lunar root
#

atx motherboard have like 6-7 PCIe slots
Well the monos I need either have 2 large pci and 3 small pci slots then

chrome iris
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you can put PCIe x1 cards in x16 slots

lunar root
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Yes

chrome iris
lunar root
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Like this here

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My GPU isn’t that small tho

chrome iris
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is your GPU 3 slot?

lunar root
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Wym third slot

chrome iris
#

your gpu is 5700 XT XFX right?

lunar root
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Yes

chrome iris
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thats only a dual slot gpu

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but i mean i guess i can cover a pcie slot

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even then, that leaves 3 slots

lunar root
chrome iris
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do you really need a sound card? and do you really need 2 USB cards?

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what do yo use all those for

lunar root
#

Okay back up...my motherboard has WiFi and Bluetooth card rn on it...all my usbs are filled so 1 usb card should work....sound card is to make sound better

chrome iris
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sound cards are a waste

lunar root
#

👀

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What if I break my audio again

chrome iris
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only worth if youre doing high quality audio production

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how do you break your audio

lunar root
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I think my GPU touch something

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Now my audio ports are broken

chrome iris
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lol what

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have you tried getting a replacement motherboard

lunar root
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Ummm

chrome iris
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with like, the warranty

lunar root
#

I use xbox controller for sound rn

scenic lance
#

Hey sorry to bother, any recommendations for 80+ Bronze 750 psu?

chrome iris
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@scenic lance for what CPU and GPU

lunar root
#

I really don’t wanna go through the hassle I just wanna buy a new mobo

chrome iris
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omg

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you can save like what, $100 by just doing warranty

scenic lance
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Currently have 3600xt. And possibly going for 3070

lunar root
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Sigh

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Fine I’ll do warranty

chrome iris
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for what budget momomamo

lunar root
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I have 2 monos rn

chrome iris
#

i mean like whats ur budget for a new psu

lunar root
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Motherboards rn

scenic lance
#

Hmm not quite sure. Lets say $140 max

chrome iris
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Fractal Design Ion+ 760w

scenic lance
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I might not even need 750w

scenic lance
#

I could go by with 650w

chrome iris
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but worth it to get a little extra i guess

scenic lance
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Ahh okay

chrome iris
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or corsair RM or RMx 750w

scenic lance
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Hmm those are $180 cad range

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Im from Canerda

chrome iris
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oh you meant cad

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ok let me find one

scenic lance
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Yee thanks

lunar root
#

Yams I have 2 gigabyte mobos that both need RMAed

lunar root
#

Well I didn’t know my motherboard had warranty..bought this motherboard off amazon....but the one mobo the ram slots don’t work on my first mobo

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Second mobo the audio ports are shot

chrome iris
#

oh boy

lunar root
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The first one was also never in a case

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Bc umm

scenic lance
#

SeaSonic is probably go to. Thanks!

lunar root
#

My warranty is probs expired

chrome iris
#

ajdnkvjSoefaf

lunar root
#

Nevermind

chrome iris
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good

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do it

#

for future reference, im gonna say this:
Don't be stupid with your money. Only get what you need. Any more is usually a waste

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dont take that the wrong way

lunar root
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No ik what you mean

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I just want a mobo that can support 2 GPUs...and you might be like why...I mine with my GPU and it’s not a waste..but with 1 GPU it’s a slow process

chrome iris
#

mining isnt profitable anymore bruh

vocal tree
#

Just play minecraft

chrome iris
#

youre probably losing money paying power bills rather than making any from mining

vocal tree
#

Make Minecraft map and skinpack and sell on marketplace

chrome iris
#

if you want to mine, which i have no idea why, actually like, build a mining rig. That would be a lot better than using your gaming PC for such a thing

lunar root
#

How I mine isn’t for coins...I mine for money then buy gift cards with the money...last week I got a $10 Amazon gift card

chrome iris
#

and how much power money did you spend

lunar root
#

Idk

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We have solar panels on our roof

chrome iris
#

if you check, itll probably be more than $10

lunar root
#

I don’t pay the power bill

chrome iris
#

dvaohujdsbflasdf

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whatever

#

do what you want

lunar root
#

What I’m just saying

#

Why should I worry about something I don’t pay for

#

Anywho rn the priority is to RMA the motherboards

#

Wait yams

chrome iris
#

who pays for it? your parents?

lunar root
#

My nana Technically

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But yams scratch mining I have another question

chrome iris
#

ok

lunar root
chrome iris
#

My nana Technically
so, you dont pay it but your nana does. So youre making her pay for power while you mine for gift cards
It'd be easier just to ask her to give you a gift card

lunar root
#

👀

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Yams I forgot to tell you my GPU is like 380mm

chrome iris
#

mm

lunar root
#

Yea GPU is big

chrome iris
#

just double check on the case's website that the clearance is 380mm

lunar root
#

Yea

#

Yikes

#

More GPUs mean more heat right

timid cedar
#

indeed

lunar root
#

Big enough to support my ridiculous big gpu

#

Ehhhhh close fit

hybrid panther
#

whats a good fully modular 650W psu around 100

chrome iris
#

@hybrid panther

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$10 over 100, but you did say around 100

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and its semi modular, not full, but thats ok right?

hybrid panther
#

I would prefer full

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if you have to go above the 100 its fine

hybrid panther
#

that looks good

chrome iris
#

sweet

hybrid panther
#

thanks

lunar root
#

But but

#

I thought TT bad

vocal tartan
#

smart bad

hybrid panther
#

is the lian li 205 a good case, its 69.99 at my local micro center

ruby oak
#

TT toughpower is pretty good yes

#

fully modular too so that's a plus

unreal garden
#

Thoughts on rosewill cases?

pliant cypress
#

Lian Li Lancool II mesh or P500A?

daring marsh
#

I personally love the look of p500a

pliant cypress
#

Yea same

hearty bolt
#

good luck with the p500a though

#

almost always sold out

pliant cypress
#

Oh

scenic lance
#

i have the A500tg thermaltake lol

#

wus thinkin abt that

pliant cypress
#

Ye its a good case for $130

hearty bolt
#

Just hope the notify me notifications pop up and you see it

undone crane
#

Hey friends, I’m looking for a new case for whenever I can get a 3080 and I want something I can put soft tube liquid cooling in. My current case is the NZXT S340 Elite. It’s awesome, but can fit a max of 4 fans and it doesn’t have tons of space. I do need whatever case I get to fit 3 HDDs.

hybrid panther
#

s340 is one of my favorite cases from NZXT, they need to bring back the front panel

undone crane
#

I like the 4 USB ports a lot lol

pliant cypress
#

P500A has 3 can fit 3 HDDS Can probably support water cooling and is mesh so really good airflow

undone crane
#

What brand is it?

pliant cypress
#

Phanteks

undone crane
#

I’ve heard good things about them

pliant cypress
#

It just the P500A isn’t in stock right now

undone crane
#

Ah, that’s unfortunate. But I’m also not making the move quite yet anyway.

hybrid panther
#

3 left and i think im going to get one

pliant cypress
#

Yeah P500A for a water cooling loop is perfect

#

Its like 20.10 inches tall so thats should be plenty of room

undone crane
#

Good to know. I’ve never tried liquid cooling besides AIOs that I definitely mounted wrong.

pliant cypress
#

Comes in black and white

undone crane
#

I’m a bad judge of space so would it be able to fit a custom loop with a full sized ATX motherboard?

pliant cypress
#

Yeah

undone crane
#

Awesome

pliant cypress
#

There are some builds on youtube using that case with a custom loop

undone crane
#

Good to know, I’ll try to find them later.

pliant cypress
#

Yep

#

Im also trying to pick up this case to

undone crane
#

My guess is that it’ll be a while which sucks

#

But the 3080 will be too so I guess it works out

pliant cypress
#

Yea

#

They are slowly restocking

quasi dirge
#

I’m planning to buy the phanteks p600s case for my first build.

unreal garden
#

Honestly those look well made

fickle forge
#

I heard the p500a has problems with dust

hearty bolt
#

Its got problems with stock

urban bone
#

What’s people’s thought on the Corsair 4000d airflow

elfin trout
#

Looks fine, should be good to add another 2 fans or so.

oblique lark
#

This case is difficult to set up due to poor instructions. But the final result is great

unreal garden
#

very cool

#

no fans?

pliant cypress
#

Yep its an open air case

oblique lark
#

Those rods don’t align perfectly with the glass. I’m a little annoyed. I plan to use it as a hybrid test bench. I’ve yet to figure out how I can tweak them

#

I’d like to find a nice cover for my psu. A mild RGB tint would be ok. If you guys know of any lemme know.

#

Just a flat plate would work.

scenic lance
#

Heyy what do you guys think of the Cooler Master Masterwatt semi-fanless psu’s?

daring marsh
#

never heard of that

#

if u need psu get corsair rmx

scenic lance
#

So just go for that. Nothing else?

daring marsh
#

i mean

#

if u have personal preference

#

then u do u

#

but the rmx is a good choice for pretty much everyone

#

unless u want like 1200w

pliant cypress
#

RMx is amazing for its price

scenic lance
#

Rmx are sold out all the time

pliant cypress
#

Yeah im trying to get one

scenic lance
#

I know Seasonic is good too

pliant cypress
#

Yep

scenic lance
#

But just trying to find reviews on other brands

pliant cypress
#

I might just get a seasonic cause cosair always out of stock

#

Focus GX Plus

scenic lance
#

Ah okay

pliant cypress
#

Or I might settle for an RMx 850

scenic lance
#

Go 1000w

pliant cypress
#

Why?

scenic lance
#

Just cuz

#

Lol

pliant cypress
#

Very expensive lol

scenic lance
#

Hehe i know

#

I’m building a budget build for my nephew atm

pliant cypress
#

Nice

daring marsh
#

no real pc needs 1000w

#

the tdp is getting better and better

scenic lance
#

Still can’t decide what gpu to go for

daring marsh
#

wuts ur gpu budget

scenic lance
#

Mostly gonna be playing 1080p

#

I was gonna suggest go for 2060 super for 1080p

proud steeple
#

Get the RMx from Best Buy

daring marsh
#

yeah 2060s is good

proud steeple
#

I just got one from there they are in stock for $145. Unless you don’t live near one

daring marsh
#

for 1080p

#

but if u got the extra money try for a 3070

scenic lance
#

Yeah that was my dilemma

pliant cypress
#

I don’t know if they are in stock at my best buy

scenic lance
#

Wait for 3070 is probably better option

proud steeple
#

Or get EVGA and do step up like I did

#

But I also needed a PC now so I couldn’t wait for a 30 series

daring marsh
#

honestly most 20series cards arent gonna be bought unless ppl want budget

scenic lance
#

Yeahh but we’ll see. If i go for 3070 i might as well go for 1440p gaming at least

proud steeple
#

I got the EVGA 2070 super FTW3 and it runs most 1440p games at ultra

#

Usually 100+ FPS

scenic lance
#

Exactly

daring marsh
#

if u want to only do 1080p

proud steeple
#

But I am going to use step up for the 3070 or 3080 just to get the newer card

daring marsh
#

i mean 1080

scenic lance
#

You think 2000 series is gonna go down in price or just phased out

daring marsh
#

honestly 1660 super is good enough

#

i mean some ppl r still gonna buy

#

so i think ill go down in price

scenic lance
#

I’ll wait for it. 2060 super is more than enough for 1080p

daring marsh
#

yea

scenic lance
#

So RMx is in stock on Amazon

#

I’ll probably only need 650 watt with a 3600xt

tacit wren
#

no real pc needs 1000w
Ampere would like a word Luldoge

elfin trout
#

Forky, Hedt would like a word with you

proud steeple
#

lmaooo I got a 850w and thats considered more than you need for a 3080 but its still cutting it close

mellow agate
#

Question: (gimme a sec to compile the info)

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Intel Core i7 10700 2.90GHz (4.80GHz Turbo Boost), 8-Core 16-Thread

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ASUS DUAL NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GB EVO V2 OC Edition

#

ASUS TUF GAMING B460-PRO

#

SSD HD

#

and the power supply is 600W

#

80 Plus Gold

#

I was looking on some build sites and they are saying that this needs 550W, but would recommend 700W.

#

Is it still going to be OK to use a 600W PSU?

#

Like, would I need a bigger PSU if I was planning on overclocking this?

strong yacht
#

You should be fine with 600w.

mellow agate
#

Ok, thank you for that. Just wondering what the reason for a site to recommend 700W is. I am not savvy enough to understand I guess

strong yacht
#

Yeah, you can go to newegg psu calculator too, and it says you should be alright as well

nova oar
#

2060 is pretty low power and the 10700 is a locked chip

#

you're fine

#

although there is a 750w seasonic on amazon for 99

#

so there is that option

tender root
#

@mellow agate long story short on the PSU recommendation number: Not all power supplies are made the same. The recommendation has to account for that.

mellow agate
#

Oh ok, gotcha. Well it's a prebuilt off Newegg's site, so I was planning on trusting the prebuilt. I was just verifying before I purchased and ended up here asking that question.

tender root
#

you certain you dont want to build it yourself instead @mellow agate ?

strong yacht
#

Yeah, its definitely a good learning experince to learn to build it yourself

tender python
#

Yeah, its definitely a good learning experince to learn to build it yourself
@strong yacht not to mention it’s fun!

elfin trout
#

@mellow agate not to mention it's usually cheaper :)

quasi dirge
#

Your daughter will be so happy.

unreal garden
#

Nice looking case

tender python
#

Nice looking case
@unreal garden thanks. Wanted to get the mesh front version but they’re out of stock. Going to be a very simple build anyway, thermals shouldn’t be an issue

compact prawn
#

i was actually looking at that exact same case, except pink to build one for my siser. it seems pretty nice, shame it doesnt come with any fans though

solemn pond
#

Any recommendations for something similar to the Phanteks p500a? Mesh front panel and space for a 360mm aio up top are mainly what I'm looking for. I'd almost rather have no PSU shroud as well.

young osprey
#

not sure about top radiator size, but Lian-li lancool 2 mesh

elfin trout
#

@young osprey only 280mm top supported

#

@solemn pond td500 mesh is the only one I can think of. O11 maybe but that's a different style.

tender python
#

i was actually looking at that exact same case, except pink to build one for my siser. it seems pretty nice, shame it doesnt come with any fans though
@compact prawn I just did a case swap from my thermaltake v200 and I stripped the fans and fan controller off it and tossed the case as it was damaged. I’ve got some other random fans laying around as well

compact prawn
#

ah then you are set

meager spruce
#

does anyone here know a good 4 pin rgb hub that can support 6 fans?

queen falcon
#

Anyone know of any good/reliable power supply's at $120 or under?

chrome iris
#

@queen falcon for what CPU + GPU?

queen falcon
#

ryzen 5 3600 and anything from a 1660ti to a 2070 super, I dont know yet

#

so like 500-750w

chrome iris
#

both are good, not as good as the one i posted tho

#

instead of an MWE gold, get a CS650 or smth if you wanna stay on the more budget side

#

*CX

queen falcon
#

what's the difference?

#

@chrome iris

chrome iris
#

CX is a little better quality

#

and cheaper

#

and non modular

chrome iris
#

yes RM is good

#

@queen falcon

daring marsh
#

rmx is better

chrome iris
#

yes thats also true

queen falcon
#

someone just told me in another chat that they think the mwe would be better but tbh i dont know much so i have no idea

chrome iris
#

and nowadays for some reason RMx sells for less than RM

#

RM is 100% better than MWE

#

i mean, not 100 percent better

#

but im 100% sure its better

chrome iris
#

yep RMx is gnagsta

queen falcon
#

ok thanks!

chrome iris
#

np

hearty bolt
#

What is the difference between RM and RMx?

proud steeple
#

x is for xtreme

#

jk its just a higher performing psu so more efficient

hearty bolt
#

Aight thanks

chrome iris
#

RMx has better caps

dim ridge
#

I am looking into a new case. I need one that has two 5.25" bays. or one that has one 5.25" plus a hotswap bay. I was thinking about the Phanteks Enthoo Pro Series PH-ES614P_BK Black Steel / Plastic. Does anyone have any suggestions? also note that my budget in the the $100 or under range.

solar mango
frozen olive
#

Can someone help me out I have a next h510i and I’m looking for at least a good 800w

#

And recommended ones

quasi dirge
#

Try Corsair or seasonic @frozen olive

vocal tree
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@solar mango cover it with a white acrylic piece or something

waxen oak
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Where can I buy a 3000w PSU suggested from a friend who knows how to build a pc

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?

unreal garden
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@Reedy#3676 what do you need 3000 watts for?

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@Reedy#3676

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Nvm he left :(

proud steeple
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NZXT tweeted making fun of their cases and poor airflow and when responding to people made it seem like they still dont care kekw

tender python
lunar root
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What’s the difference between the 2 amazon ones

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I think it’s the fans of you can see that

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@silver dagger hey you there

silver dagger
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yeah

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They tall lol

lunar root
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Well ones $99 abs the other is $109

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Which one would you go for

silver dagger
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The 99$ one, but im not really sure what the difference is

lunar root
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I think the fans

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Look at the pic with both of them

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And look at the fans

silver dagger
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yeah might be.. they look a little different

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What does the detailed product description say lower down?

lunar root
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Brb

young osprey
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Do you really want a case that blocks air for its front fans?

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Also, difference might be in the tempered glass? One looks darker than the other

chrome iris
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nah, looks like the fans are a little different

young osprey
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both say 12v RGB fans, so not ARGB (but the photos look like argb)

chrome iris
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either way, i still think theyre ugly

young osprey
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yes, and that awesome air blocking front glass panel to choke off your four fans

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i like the 2x rear exhaust tho

chrome iris
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the extra fan on the front and back compared to like 3 front and one back ruins it for me

tender python
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I actually like the stacked look

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If only mesh front

fickle forge
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Anyone have a case with 360mm radiator support on top

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And comes with fans and has good airflow

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Under 140

chrome iris
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breathes in

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TD500 mesh

fossil cairn
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What do u guys think about NZXT 710i?

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How good is the air flow in there??

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I’m planning to put asus b550 e mono with ryzen 9 3950x and a 3080

pliant cypress
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P500A is $120 and is spacey has lots of room @fickle forge

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Or $130 just out of stock currently

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And can mount a 360mm on top

fickle forge
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I was originally gonna get p500a

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but costs a lot

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also the one ur talking about is the one with no rgb right @pliant cypress

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Wait nvm

pliant cypress
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You said under $140?

fickle forge
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nvm

lofty pewter
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@waxen oak you doing LN2 OC on a dual GPU setup? Or running 6x 3090s + OCed 3990x?

light wyvern
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710i is not bad in airflow like it’s companion

proud steeple
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How many fans do you need in an airflow case?

placid sierra
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20

pliant cypress
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Maybe 4

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3 intake 1 exhaust

heavy carbon
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Can anybody recommend a PSU for the MSI MEG X570 ACE Gaming Motherboard

vocal tartan
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what's your gpu/cpu

heavy carbon
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CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core

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GPU GeForce RTX 3070

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Still purchasing parts

scenic lance
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what's a good ATX case for the $60-100 price range?

elfin trout
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@heavy carbon just gotta say, PSU doesn't care about your motherboard.

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Also that's a pretty overkill mobo just for a 3600 lol

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@scenic lance mx330-g air for the lower end, TD500 mesh for 100$.

heavy carbon
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idk im still deciding parts i might go for a cheaper mobo or a better processor

pallid elk
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@heavy carbon the new Ryzen processors are coming so just wait a bit

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Also you should be set with like a 650w PSU

heavy carbon
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Perfect thanks.

chrome iris
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@heavy carbon not just any 650w though, you want a good 650w

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Fractal Design Ion+ 660w is like $120 rn. That’d be good.

heavy carbon
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yeah id rather get an mid priced one that lasts then a cheap one that short-circuits and sets on fire

wintry apex
chrome iris
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Usually they’re just like meh I think

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Not good nor bad

scenic lance
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anyone's got a nice case <100$ ?

quasi dirge
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Phanteks should have some cases for cheap I think @scenic lance

scenic lance
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what do you think about my case

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people say my case is sh*t

quasi dirge
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I don’t know. Sucking in air from the side might not be enough for that case

surreal magnet
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dont bypass the filter

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its there for a reason

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yeah, front intake lookin a little weak, but its not like your parts are gonna cook in there

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expect temps to be like 10-15C higher max

scenic lance
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@surreal magnet man I hate your profile pic

surreal magnet
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kekw

scenic lance
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@surreal magnet what do you recommend ?

surreal magnet
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well, for starters, a cheaper motherboard

scenic lance
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..............

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I need wifi

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but with wifi

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there' no b550

elfin trout
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B550m pro vdh wifi

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110$

scenic lance
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less than 120$

surreal magnet
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nonsense

elfin trout
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LOL

elfin trout
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Yup

scenic lance
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this an one ugly mobo

elfin trout
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So what

surreal magnet
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i think it looks fine

elfin trout
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It's 70$ shaved off

scenic lance
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@elfin trout I'm joking

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don't take me too seriously

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I mean

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wifi 5

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is wifi 5 really good enough ?

surreal magnet
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there

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cheapo

elfin trout
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@scenic lance is your wifi above 1200mbps

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If no

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Wifi 5 good enough

surreal magnet
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wifi 6 isnt even in use in most places

scenic lance
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@elfin trout okay here's a dumb question

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how do I check my wifi speed