#cases-psu-and-cooling

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swift cove
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Hello all, I'm trying to power my EVGA GTX 2060 and all I have is a splitter PCIe cord. Can I use both ends at the top of the "Y" with one running from the PSU and one to the GPU or is that sketchy?

worldly dust
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it would be better to go off two separate cords from the psu but it isnt sketchy and it should work

surreal magnet
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all that matters is wire gauge and PSU 12v wattage

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you can take 1x6 and split it across 3x8, as long as the psu has some beefy cables and 450w available

swift cove
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Ah got ii thank you. I’ve got 750w so I should be all set.

surreal magnet
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what 750W?

golden kestrel
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I think we all want to know that ^

lofty pewter
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make sure to state actual model, not just company name. As we cant judge a PSU from company, efficiency rating, wattage, etc. There is a lot more to a PSU then just that

swift cove
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Corsair HX750

surreal magnet
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oh

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ok then, yeah, i think your fine lmao

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you can use 2x8 on just one cable

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just leave the 2nd PCIe cable out of the build

lofty pewter
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I mean you technically lose like 0.5% perf from that because like you lose a super small amount of power due to electrical resistance compared to dual cable

surreal magnet
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i would rather have one less cable

worldly dust
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@lofty pewter would that still be the case if the PSU was single rail?

surreal magnet
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almost all reliable psus are single rail

lofty pewter
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@worldly dust afaik it's just simply that the resistance of the cable causes it

worldly dust
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yeah that makes sense

lofty pewter
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I like dual cable because y cable is hard to make look nice

worldly dust
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also true

grim linden
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Lol

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Everyone is an admin

visual fjord
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Any recommendations for a cheap but decent ATX case?

plucky dome
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LIAN LI PC-O11 Dynamic XL Full-Tower Dual chamber Gaming Case w/ USB 3.1 Type-C, Tempered glass on the front & side

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with Thermaltake Floe Riing RGB 360mm Premium Edition Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ Copper Cold Plate (3 x Thermaltake Riing RGB 120MM Fans)

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and

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FAN: 6X 120mm Enermax T.B RGB Twister Bearing PWM Case Fans 500-1500 RPM w/ Remote Controller

chilly fable
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Anyone here use the silentiumpc armis ar6x evo tg argb?

sturdy fog
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Anyone know if NZXT is planning a second run of the H1 cases?

vocal talon
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yeah they should be restocking in the future but dont quote me

sturdy fog
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Ty

warped sigil
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Dumbass question but why is the Corsair RM (2019) 750W only $5 more then the Corsair RMx (2018) 650W on pcpartpicker

lofty pewter
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650w/750w PSUs seem to be the same price to make I guess. So prices tend to be very close to each other

teal walrus
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I’m gonna run a r5 1600 af + 1650 super (for the NVENC). Should I get a 500w PSU or 550w PSU for a few dollars cheaper

tacit tide
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550w can run stock 3950x and stock 2080ti

hushed yoke
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yikes

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maybe it can

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but no

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i would never lol

elfin trout
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it can.

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but you should never do it

tender root
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i honestly dont get why people are so afraid of using the capability of the hardware they have

elfin trout
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Well, usually ppl try to get away with crappy units

tender root
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that would be an assumption about someones intention @elfin trout

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and you should know better than that :)

quasi flint
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i got a metal box for my case

elfin trout
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yea I know :p

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People are overconfident once they think they know enough though

deep stump
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okay so i bought a case from the newegg site but i am regretting it a little bit because the case itself doesn't have much airflow to it from what i can tell. is there someone here who can help me understand the case i bought better? The case in question is this https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811121136

lofty pewter
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@tacit tide make sure to include " [a good] 550w can do..." to avoid confusion with people simply just see wattage for determining quality

flat eagle
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@deep stump that case is yikes...

deep stump
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Yeah I figured as much

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There are some holes in the bottom and it's not flat on the ground

flat eagle
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is there any kind of intake for it? or just that one back exhaust?

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ah ok

deep stump
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From what I can remember (not looking at it rn) there's the bit on the back, holes on the bottom and that's really it

flat eagle
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enough for two 120mm fans on the bottom probably

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where are you going to have this pc at? top of desk? in a cubi? directly on floor?

deep stump
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for now i think it will be on the floor. i havent planned that all out yet

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if i had to chose, either on a table or on the floor

flat eagle
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if you plan on building in it def get some fans to put in the bottom for intake, and one for the rear as exhaust

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I do like the front of it though

deep stump
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it did come with one fan but im not sure what kind it is or what i should look for.

flat eagle
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its a small 80mm fan

deep stump
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right, but is there much of a difference in the case fans?

flat eagle
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yes

deep stump
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like what?

flat eagle
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80mm pretty small

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the standard fan size is 120mm

deep stump
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how do you measure it?

flat eagle
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I can just tell ya

deep stump
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how?

flat eagle
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the back can use 120mm

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I'd have to see a picture of the bottom of the case

deep stump
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i can get it in an hour and a half

flat eagle
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hopefully it has screw holes for fans and not just a spot for air flow, there really is no info on it

deep stump
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because it isnt mesh like the back. its just holes

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ill have to look at it again later

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though actually, do you think you can predict how much heat a build might make if you knew all the parts involved?

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i have been using pcpartpicker to keep track of it so i have a list of everything

flat eagle
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I can predict it'll get rather warm just by the case itself lol. but yeah you can show us the parts list

deep stump
lofty pewter
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@deep stump
-Sunbow has rebrands out there and you can't really tell what is what until you receive it. Most of the time it'll be a garbage SSD you get. So don't get it
-PSU has coil whine issues

deep stump
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wait

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i had to update the link cause i sent the wrong on

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one

tender root
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i am fairly certain that the 90's wants their case design back

deep stump
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and the PSU is the wrong one cause i am to lazy to update it with the right one

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i got a cx 550watt

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@lofty pewter

tender root
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and i am not talking about the outside of that case, Box has got that covered already

lofty pewter
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CX non M is fine

deep stump
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yeahhhh thats why im here. i figured AFTER i bought it that its bad

tender root
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just a FYI, be mindful of sharp edges on the inside while building in it, it looks like bent edges, and those can be fairly sharp

deep stump
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i dont think there was anything that sharp when i opened it up

tender root
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just keep it in mind :)

deep stump
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thank you

deep stump
flat eagle
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oh yikes

deep stump
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Yeah

flat eagle
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I honestly would not use that case 😐

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can you pop the front off?

deep stump
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Yes

flat eagle
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maybe there is a front intake?

deep stump
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What would I be looking for?

flat eagle
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something that looks like that back exhaust

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the mesh looking square

deep stump
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That's the front from the back

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Turn your phone to the right

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Just a quick question, I'm an idiot for forgetting but which one is off on the PSU: the o or the -

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@flat eagle nothing on the front panel

tender root
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0 = off

deep stump
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Okay thank you. Just got a new PSU and I didn't know if they left it on when it was shipped

tender root
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wouldnt really matter if they did

deep stump
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I guess

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But what's the smallest a case fan can be?

tender root
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as small as you can make it

deep stump
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So new case, stick with this one and the one fan, or try to squeeze two fans on one spot?

teal walrus
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does it matter how many watts my psu is over the required wattage of a pc. I know it's good to go 50-100 watts over but idk about going higher

tacit wren
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You can run a 100 watt dell off a 1600 watt power supply without issues.

hushed yoke
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my brother runs his 2600 and rx570 on a 1000w psu

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no issues

tacit tide
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well why though

hushed yoke
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because, we had it

scenic lance
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Anyone see the abkoncore t250 yet?

livid blade
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@hushed yoke i run an rx 580 and ryzen 5 2600 on a 400 watt

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not on my main pc, whenever i use it the psu gets H O T

hushed yoke
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well, electricity does get hot lol

winged geyser
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I mean

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Polaris was a tad power hungry

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but 400 should do

lofty pewter
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PSU stuff: power wise yeah, quality wise probs not

peak cove
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Should I get a Lian Li Lancool 2 or NZXT H510i? there both the same price so I was wondering if there is a better one between the two.

crude night
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depends on your buget.

indigo relic
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They’re both good cases. The lancool has better airflow but imo the h510i looks nicer so it’s up to you which is more important to you

alpine fox
lime fog
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what psu should i get if I get a rx5700xt

golden kestrel
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Well it depends on the other components lol but a 550w - 650w should be fine

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If you give us everything else we can find a good one for u

lime fog
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how about a case?

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like, big enough to fit a three fan, orr should I get a two fan one instead?

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@golden kestrel

golden kestrel
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Well it depends on the board size again but I would recommend the meshify c for almost any built

formal meadow
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What psu should I get with this build

tender root
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at that budget, i would go AMP

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if you can find it in stock that is

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also, as has been noted in #general-chat @formal meadow that GPU does not physically fit in that case

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look here, under dimensions

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5.41 cm

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now look there under GPU support

formal meadow
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It’s 299.7

tender root
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GPU max thickness 4.4 cm

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its not the length

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its the thickness of the card

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because there isnt any space "below" the card (in that case)

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a GPU like the one you have chosen does not fit

formal meadow
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Yeah true.

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What about 2070 super

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Asus Strix

alpine fox
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I wonder if the 650 watt AMP will ever come back in stock

tender root
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its not the GPU itself

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its the specific model @formal meadow

formal meadow
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What’s the thickness for that

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Where do I find the thickness for it

tender root
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you start by NOT disabling the compatibility filter on pcpartpicker

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a regular founders edition card fits just fine

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or a evga black

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or a XC

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or a AMP

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or a gaming

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etc etc etc

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Where do I find the thickness for it <- by going the product part #

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which for something like the evga black is this 08G-P4-3081-KR

formal meadow
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GPU Clearance: Up to 325mm
GPU Max Thickness: 44mm

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Height: 4.38 in - 111.15 mm

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Will that fit?

tender root
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what you listed is the measurements for what will fit

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you didnt list a card together with your question about "will that fit?"

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so since i dont know what "that" you are referencing, i cannot answer you

alpine fox
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Any suggestions for a power supply like the Phantek AMP? Since it's out of stock everywhere

lofty pewter
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Enermax Revolution DF

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idk 550w version but 650w version isnt badly priced

golden kestrel
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@tender root I finally realized my corsiar cxm actually does have coil whine lol. Its pretty annoying now that Ik its there 😂

lime fog
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Is this case good? looking for a ~$50 matx case

tacit tide
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i am looking for a new case, i have a windforce 3x OC 2070S and a ML240R cooler. also looking for a new psu cause the one i have is bad.

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also a mid tower

lime fog
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Always consider Fractal design Meshify C @tacit tide

tacit tide
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i do not want that case, i have a long gpu and also would not like to mount my aio at the front

indigo relic
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That’ll fit into the meshify c

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And like mount it on the top then

tacit tide
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oh ok

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well what about psu

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i also have 2 2.5 inch drives and 1 3.5 inch drive if that matters

golden kestrel
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@tacit tide the meshify c has a psu shroud and a drive mounting bay

warm sluice
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do any of the threadrippers use a different socket?

elfin trout
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Yes

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some use TR4 and some use TRX4

tacit tide
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no like i also need a new psu

faint solstice
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@lofty pewter and others if you have something to pitch in, what do you think of the neo eco gold zen psu? its on the same tier as the cx 2017 and like $10 cheaper than the 550W

lofty pewter
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I'll look into the review hopefully soonish when I'm not lazy. Most likely will be okay, probably only thing I could see going wrong would be worse warranty.

vocal tree
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when I'm not lazy

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Me too

faint solstice
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Cool thanks

scenic lance
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i need help choosing a new case

golden kestrel
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Budget?

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And what size is your mobo?

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@scenic lance

scenic lance
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under 100

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and atx

golden kestrel
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Then the fractal design meshify c

scenic lance
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But it needs to be able hold 8 3.5 drives

golden kestrel
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Oh dang you should of said that before lol

scenic lance
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sorry

golden kestrel
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Np lol

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Uh I can't really thing of a case that can hold 8. Most can only hold 2 3.5 drives

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Sry bout that

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You might be able to find some kind of server case that'll hold those.

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Maybe @lofty pewter knows

tender root
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@golden kestrel any case with a couple of 5.25 bays can do the trick

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there is "old" stuff like thsi

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and ofc, simpler versions too

golden kestrel
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I didnt even know 5.25 bays existed

tender root
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cd/dvd/bluray bays @golden kestrel

golden kestrel
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Oh ok

solar tapir
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Anyone have any experience with the Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic Razer edition? Ordered one for a birthday PC build and wanted to know if I should watch out for anything in particular.

flat eagle
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sharp edges.

lime fog
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Someone pin this pls https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/

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lime fog
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okay

fickle bison
vocal tree
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Yep, a 3.5 inch bay can be equipped with a 3?5 to 2.5 bracket/adapter

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With varying amounts of 2.5" drives per one 3.5" bay

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From probably 1-2 lol

simple parrot
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Who wants to help me troubleshoot a returned computer not displaying out

tacit wren
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Great video explaining kVA vs watts.

Helpful when shopping around for UPS's, PSU's, other electrical toys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv_7XWf96gg

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vocal tree
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Thermaltake Versa H18 is gone 😔

pulsar juniper
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I am going to be buying a Thermaltake Core V21 soon. Anyone here have any thoughts on it?

light wyvern
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Seems ok I know a lot of people use it @pulsar juniper

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Believed it’s really good for airflow

flat eagle
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@pulsar juniper I loved that case

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so much so I ended up buying 2 of them and stacking them together

cursive loom
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Ok, stupid question coming(first time builder) the power and reset switch plugs DONT have a + or - like the LEDs do, I ua enlooked in the manual and it didnt really help, which way do they go in?

silver dagger
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I would help you, but i dont really know much (first time builder too) sorry about that

pulsar juniper
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@cursive loom if you have the plugs and the +- is listed in the manual or on the board, there is usually an arrow/triangle on the plug on a certain side of it. Whichever side of the plug has the triangle is the positive

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I hope that made senss

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@cursive loom

cursive loom
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@pulsar juniper oooooh ok! Thank you!!!! Also, I have a meshify C, and the atx plug is in 2 parts, the smaller plug doesnt look like its seating correctly but the numbers line up...

pulsar juniper
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Well... Try reseating it, and if that doesn't work, send me a pic

cursive loom
pulsar juniper
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Can it go down any further?

cursive loom
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I try to push it further but I notced it has little feet, but they dont seem to connect to the bigger plug ?

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Im dumb, sorry.

pulsar juniper
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It's all good. Have you unplugged it and plugged it back in?

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Also, did it click when you put it in?

cursive loom
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The big one did click

pulsar juniper
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Then it should be fine. What about the small one?

cursive loom
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The small one didn't i plugged the big one in first then the small @pulsar juniper

pulsar juniper
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Okay. Are you sure the small one is in all the way? @cursive loom

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Sorry for not responding sooner. I was driving home lol

cursive loom
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Yea me too, I went and got sushi lol

pulsar juniper
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Dang... Now I want some sushi...

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This quarantine, I'll tell you what. It isn't fun

cursive loom
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It really isnt, thank God my sushi place is still doing takeout and 50% on Tuesdays and wednesdays

pulsar juniper
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Your so lucky. The place I go to is closed, but it has the quick fried jalapeno sushi that is amazing.

cursive loom
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I got 2 volcano rolls

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And some spicy fried rice

pulsar juniper
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Very nice. The place I go to is only sushi type stuff upstairs, but downstairs has an authentic Japanese ramen place

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They are both excellent

cursive loom
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Yummm

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So I unplugged the smaller plug, and there is only 1 way its supposed to go in, I wonder if thats just hownit goes?

pulsar juniper
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Maybe. Have you looked at Google?

undone breach
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@cursive loom The smaller 4-pin connector should have a little tab that rests under the 20-pin connector to hold it down. I'm guessing you plugged in the larger 20-pin connector first and tried to do the 4-pin second. You need to plug in the smaller one first or at least make sure that tab is under the 20-pin plug when you plug it all in. You should not be able to unplug the 4-pin once it is seated properly.
Edit: Those little feet don't exactly connect to the 20-pin plug, more that they hook under it.

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Can't attach an image or link due to permissions, sorry.

cursive loom
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@undone breach I see, I gotcha thank you!!

tender root
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for future reference, in general, the 20 pin and the 4 pin can be combined and plugged in at the same time. Same goes for the 6+2pin setup that the GPU's use

undone breach
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Some PSUs let you sort of slide the +4-pin plug into place and it holds there, but I haven't seen many like that recently. Makes it kind of a pain. Whatever works though.

tender root
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it is part of the spec for the plugs thou @undone breach

undone breach
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The ATX 20+4 pin?

tender root
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aye

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that there is "something" that they can latch together with

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keep in mind, the "latch together" part is sadly up for debate by the implementer

undone breach
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I mean that some 4-pins will attach to the 20-pin and aren't easily detached...

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tender root
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aye, those are "sadly" also a thing

undone breach
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..and some just have a little foot sticking out that's easy to misalign.

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tender root
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aye

undone breach
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I was going to say "Why do we even need 20-pin compatibility" but I'm sure there's still a disappointing number of 20-pin mobos out there still.

tender root
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:)

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i would personally love for us to scale down on things again

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it would personally not mind the added flexibility of having a couple of different standards

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because as the industry as a whole seems to be moving, we are going down in power on the cpu side of things

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(for a "good enough" performance level)

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side note: just think about what kind of level of performance the next generation of APU will get us on the desktop side of things

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and that is NOT going to need a 500watt psu

undone breach
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I almost don't dislike the standard that just delivers 12v to the board via a small jumper and has the board do the conversion. Not sure if it's an actual standard, but my PC at work is a HP Envy that does the 5v and 3.3v conversions on the board. Mine in particular is the Berks motherboard.

tender root
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it is a standard-ish

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intel are talking about making it an actual standard

undone breach
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Seems like it would make sense from an efficiency standpoint.

tender root
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in the isolated context of "efficiency"? yes.

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in the context of " can we trust manufacturers to not skimp on things they shouldnt?" no.

undone breach
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True.

tender root
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i am not against the spec

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just to be clear here.

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but i am against it being the ONLY spec

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(which to be fair, is NOT what intel is suggesting)

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the spec is aimed 100% at oem's/integrators

undone breach
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Assuming it cuts down on size, I wouldn't mind it for certain builds.

tender root
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it could cut down on things

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it would cut down on the psu

undone breach
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I just had to swap out a Seasonic PSU that died on me with a spare Corsair I had. Had to cram it into my Xigmatek Aquila case.

tender root
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but that is the "thing", people are in general really adverse to paying for a custom-ish psu

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which seasonic?

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and was it out of warranty?

undone breach
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6 years and 1 month old on a 7 year warranty.

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Seasonic Platinum 760

tender root
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you have returned it right?

undone breach
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Yeah, need to box it up and ship it out, but the RMA has been approved.

tender root
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good, they are normally good about it

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one of the reasons i generally only deal with seasonic units for clients :)

undone breach
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Sat on my shelf looking for a project. Finally used it for a mATX build. 8700K and a GTX 1060. Ran great for 7 months. Swapped the GTX 1060 for a Radeon 5700 XT and it popped a breaker when I first hit the power button. Checked cables and reset the breaker, wouldn't even attempt to power on after that. No burnt smell, no magic smoke. Just nothing.

tender root
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hm

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sounds like "bad luck"

undone breach
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Yeah. =/

tender root
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SS-760XP2 is your unit right?

undone breach
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Yeah.

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Estimated wattage only went up ~100w to ~460w total.

tender root
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aye, that one is a bit of a chunky package

undone breach
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Grabbed a BFG LS-550 out of another PC and it powered up the system just fine.

tender root
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aye

undone breach
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Removed the Seasonic and tried to jump it with a paperclip but still didn't get anything out of it. No fan spinning, nothing on the 12v rail.

tender root
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aye, just "dead"

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on the topic of "custom" psus

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i have one of these somewhere

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that i have run with a nano-psu

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which ofc has a external powerbrick

undone breach
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Oh wow. Still managed to fit a mITX in that? Thought it'd be Intel's weird 5x5 form or something.

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Yeah, was going to say you'd probably need something like a PicoPSU in that.

tender root
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nah, the f1c evo is a itx chassis

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so yeah, the tech is there, its the lack of willingness to pay for it that keeps it out of the hands of people (imo)

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because 80-ish euro for a 150w psu is not something people can get their heads around :)

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well, look at it like this, they pay for a AIO that does nothing for them

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so logically, it should be easier to convince them to pay for something that actually does something for them :)

lofty pewter
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I mean form factor does increase price. However my main concerns is as always, quality

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their marketing has "<180mv ripple", which doesnt sound good and are missing some protections

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Tho, they apparently have UPP, which I dont think could simulate UVP, but maybe?

tender root
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@lofty pewter as always, context mate :)

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which part of the last days conversation are you talking about?

lofty pewter
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most recent link of the NanoPSU

tender root
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ah :)

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the nano-psu's are aimed very specifically at a defined niche.

undone breach
tender root
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there are not many

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until you got entirely custom like the NUC's

undone breach
tender root
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and wonders of wonders, HDplex also makes their own "weird" cases :)

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just like streacom :)

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almost like there is a pattern there :)

undone breach
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Yeah. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

lofty pewter
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I know a friend recently wanted a super small PSU. Tho, I didnt see and real PSU reviews on them and couldnt give it a real recommendation to do for them

tender root
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i have only ever used the streacom units, because a friend worked as a sales rep for them, so he dropped some off years ago

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not exactly units that (at the time) was available at the regular pc component vendor

timber salmon
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Hello. I have been struggling with my first pc build in terms of size. Since I am moving, I do not want a large computer. I have looked into itx motherboards and cases but the itx mobos (x570i) have issues with m.2 cooling and vrm cooling. I have started looking into atx form factor but have not been able to find a good looking case with good cooling and small size. Any cases I should take a look at for my situation? Looking for the smallest solution.

undone breach
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Budget?

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mATX has kind of fallen out of favor these days.

timber salmon
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less than 1k. I already have the gpu and storage (2 m.2 nvme) and the other parts I want to buy but want to look into atx mobo and small case for that motherboard.

undone breach
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What kind of CPU were you thinking? Also, any plans to overclock?

timber salmon
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ryzen 7 3700x and I am thinking of overclocking

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If the temps are good, then definitely yes.

undone breach
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I wouldn't think VRMs would be that much of a limiting factor. Guess it depends on the board. Looking into the Gigabyte X570 I now.

timber salmon
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I am not worried about the atx mobos right now. I am more worried about the case because I want to fit an atx mb in as small as of a space as possible.

undone breach
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Ah

timber salmon
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Im sure the mb situation will be fine. Only the case size 🙂

undone breach
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Seems like you'd need pretty much anything with a PCIe riser to relocate the GPU flat.

timber salmon
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Taking a look...

undone breach
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Was thinking about going for a desktop-style case maybe to move PSU and mechanical drives down under the mobo but I think it takes up just as much if not more volume than a standard ATX case, it's just squashed.

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You'll need a low profile cooler (or stock). (Edit: Or an AIO to move heat to the edge of the case)

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Not going to be fitting a NH-D15 in that thing any time soon.

tender root
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nothing "good" comes from going desktop style

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at least not in the atx formfactor

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there is simply too much surface area that is "wasted"

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i am sadly on the way out the door shortly, but i am curious about your comment about the cooling on the itx solutions

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because from experience, that hasnt been a problem at all

lofty pewter
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Node 202 is a bit smaller then G3

undone breach
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Super nice looking case, but Egg wants to fit a regular ATX board in the case.

timber salmon
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kyle, the case looks fine but I would rather do more research on other cases before buying that one because of the design. I will keep it in mind in case thats my last choice 🙂

lofty pewter
timber salmon
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@tender root , looking at the reviews on Amazon about x570i motherboards (gigabyte, asus), many people are complaining about high temps on vrm and m.2. There are also some reviews about m.2 mounts screws being stripped

lofty pewter
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high temps as in 90c?

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or 115c?

timber salmon
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70-80

lofty pewter
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that's low

undone breach
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That's chilly.

lofty pewter
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VRMs will start to throttle at 115 - 120 or so

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NAND flash should be kept at about 40c with controller temps being low, so whatever "high" temp is being reported in the M2 can be questionable too

undone breach
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Seems like that would be down to airflow anyways. Haven't heard of boards themselves causing high NVMe temps. Could be wrong. barbShrug

tender root
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@timber salmon quick note on amazon "reviews" (and other not professional reviews) : Very very rarely can the people there actually discern between their bum and the electrical outlet they used to fry the part they are complaining about

lofty pewter
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lol, yeah also that

timber salmon
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🙂 agreed. So 70-80 is considered normal temps?

lofty pewter
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normal in this regard

undone breach
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Had an old roommate that would tighten down fan screws like they were cylinder head bolts. He'd keep going until something went "CRACK" and the back it off half a turn and call it good.

lofty pewter
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I mean with a standard mid tower case Im pretty sure 70 - 80c would be a bit higher then one would expect

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but ITX, seems pretty normal given standard airflow of ITX case

tender root
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@timber salmon the "problem" is that people see something on some random site, most likely reddit in this case (since it is vrm related), and then without fully understanding what it actually means, they copy paste the living heck out of it all over the internet

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people (in general, not you specifically) need to remember that the manufacturers actually make the parts to at least last the warranty period

undone breach
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I may be mistaken, but I believe some VRMs are rated for higher temperatures than others too.

timber salmon
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@lofty pewter For the itx build, I would be using the silverstone sg13 case but I thought that 70-80 was pretty high for the ssd so thats why I started looking into atx.

tender root
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yes, but it doesnt "matter" for 99.999999% of builders

lofty pewter
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SSD? typo or is SSD actually 70+?

undone breach
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70-80 for the SSD? Did they pack it in foam?

timber salmon
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the m.2

lofty pewter
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nani the heck?

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how in the world does one make a SSD run at 70 - 80c

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actually wait

timber salmon
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one ssd is on the back without a heatsink

lofty pewter
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C or F?

timber salmon
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c

tender root
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between the tray and the mobo Hei

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the NON-standard place to place a ssd

undone breach
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Remove the mobo risers and clamp down the NVMe drive to the chassis to use it as a heatsink. kappa
Edit: Please do not actually do this.

lofty pewter
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being realistic tho, thermal pad

tender root
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the back of the mainboard slot is only really viable IF you have some airflow around there

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because in a lot of cases, that is a completely static area

undone breach
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Honestly, I really think cases need to start including some kind of fan to push air behind the CPU socket. My old FX 8350 would get blistering hot.
Case manufacturers, if you're reading this and you decide to do it, I demand 5% royalties please and thank you.

lofty pewter
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side panel fans revival?

tender root
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nah, that is on you, the builder to understand the need of your parts @undone breach

lofty pewter
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still tho, not like you need x570 tbh. The b450 Aorus Pro has M2 on front and VRMs good enough with a bit of case airflow

tender root
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and as always, why is it that "interesting" talk happens when i have to attend out of house meetings

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best of luck figuring things out @timber salmon

timber salmon
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Thank you.

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@lofty pewter I want a x570 for future proofing.

lofty pewter
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future proofing on what?

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GPUs? we just barely got past gen3 x8 with the 2080Ti

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M2? What workload are you going to do that you'll notice the jump in seq r/w?

undone breach
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I want it just so I can benchmark it over and over again. 🍆

lofty pewter
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tbh, that's mostly all gen4 will bring for a long time on the consumer side

timber salmon
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Im thinking cpus.

undone breach
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Going between a M.2 SATA SSD on my work PC and my NVMe drives at home, I notice I get impatient waiting for programs to load on my work PC. Specs are near similar otherwise.

lofty pewter
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then 3950x/maybe 4950x (or insert different name if name is different)?

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your case airflow and CPU cooler may struggle at that point before VRMs

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Zen5 is most likely AM5

undone breach
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In my humble opinion, it's just as easy to sell a CPU/Mobo combo as it is a CPU. If you upgrade, might as well do both.

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AMD's backwards compatibility concept seemed cool and all, but I got itchy not having the "proper" chipset for my CPU.

tender root
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good on you, you believed the PR department :)

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(waiting on car for pickup)

undone breach
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Been running 7-zip's benchmark on loop for a while. My mATX case with very poor airflow (8700K@4.6Ghz, MSI MPG Z390M) is hitting 58c on the VRMs (or maybe it's 47c, I'm not completely sure which is which).

lofty pewter
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those seem like some beefy heatsinks on VRMs tho

undone breach
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Yeah. It's been running for ~17 minutes now. Still warming up a little.

📎 unknown.png
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Also, I know CPU temps are a little warm. On the Corsair H115i, it was 90c with some Thermaltake TG-2 paste which is apparently terrible. Swapped it out for plain white goop and it's down to 70c. Got some MX-4 that I'm planning on swapping out Soon™️

lofty pewter
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ah yes, the good old soon ™️

undone breach
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That ~20c thermal delta between idle and load makes me think there's not enough clamping pressure on the CPU mount. Not real happy about that.

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Or I mean, I guess maybe it could be just the paste? barbShrug

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Kinda want to shim the backplate.

lofty pewter
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also I mean, delidding is also an option

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because paste between die and IHS is amazing

timber salmon
lofty pewter
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then again seems like you may already have it cuz 1080

timber salmon
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What do you mean by blower?

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And yes, I already have the 1080

lofty pewter
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single fan, pushing air towards back of GPU/case

undone breach
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It would be the same price to do a single 2TB NVMe drive instead of two 1TB. You'd free up the second NVMe for later.

lofty pewter
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as another note, 120mm AIOs are a waste of money

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AIOs noise normalized perf are roughly -5% to 1% better then a good aircooler. So only get them for looks

timber salmon
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@undone breach I already have the 2 nvme 1tb laying around so I thought I would use them.

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@lofty pewter gpu is not a blower. it has 2 fans

lofty pewter
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Also CL17 RAM, which would end up rounding up to CL18. CL16 RAM is about same price

undone breach
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I wonder if there's much performance to be gained throwing the NVMe drives in RAID with PCIe Gen4. I put two 950 Pros in mine thinking I'd get ridiculous speeds, but it bottlenecked somewhere and only gave me a ~10% bump.

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Guessing not since they'd still communicate on Gen3?

lofty pewter
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raid controller probs

timber salmon
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is cl17, cl16 etc cas latency?

undone breach
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CAS or tCL, yeah.

lofty pewter
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Also, all dual M2 ITX boards have the second M2 on the back

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so basically, find a thermal pad

timber salmon
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And this thermal pad would go on the back one?

lofty pewter
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yeah

undone breach
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Is there even room for cooling back there?

lofty pewter
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doubt it, which is why I suggested thermal pad. Just let the case itself dissipate the heat

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tho, idk if thickness will be a concern

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thermal pad being too thick may not do much in helping thermals

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I think it'll most likely be fine tho

undone breach
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Might be okay for a cheaper storage drive or something. 🤷‍♂️

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One thing I liked about my desktop-style mATX case is the PSU sits fan side up under the CPU socket. I like to think it's providing some light but significant cooling to the back of the mobo.

lofty pewter
timber salmon
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will the cpu fan perform the same as the water cooling?

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and for the motherboard, whats the difference between x570i and b450i?

undone breach
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PCIe 4.0 is one of the major ones, I believe.

timber salmon
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I also dont have an older cpu for b450i to update bios with.

undone breach
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New boards should be updated for the newer CPUs, but it's probably not a guarantee.

timber salmon
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so for the mobo, do you think its worth around $100 extra for x570i or should I use the b450i?

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And for itx, I would rather have the colder temps compared to more silence

lofty pewter
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It's been 9 months since release. The only way to get old BIOS is from old stock. Which likelyhood depends on seller and whether they do FIFO, but all in all it's very unlikely. Also AMD lends out free CPU kits for you to update BIOS

timber salmon
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so there is no real worth about the x570i over the b450i?

lofty pewter
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Not for (as far as I know) your use case, no

timber salmon
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hmm ok. I will buy the b450 instead. in case the bios IS outdated, where can I find these free cpu kits?

lofty pewter
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That I don't really know the process of. Probs hunt it down on AMDs site or contact AMD support team asking about it

timber salmon
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Alright

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Where is a good place to buy the mobo from to potentially avoid the outdated bios?

pastel violet
#

anybody here using an open air chassis with a mini ITX or micro ATX form factor? I'm trying to look for ideas, but the chassis that I like is way too expensive.

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a picture of your build will be appreciated.

golden kestrel
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@timber salmon all the big names like newegg and Amazon should not have outdated bios

tender root
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also, to add to the whole "bios" question

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the b450 itx board, has had support for the 3rd gen of zen cpus since bios version 2301, which was released 2019/05/15

limber canopy
#

My phanteks p300 says it fits a 280mm rad but today I found out you have to take off the power button for it to fit.

lime fog
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BRUH

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Im also getting a p300a mesh

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does it fit 2 140mm fans though

edgy orchid
#

@limber canopy I feel your pain! I just did my new 3900x build in a Fractal Meshify C, and had to do a little "metal cutting" on the front of the case so I could fit a Corsair h115i Pro RGB (280mm) and mount the fans on the outside and rad on the inside - screw holes didn't line up, made new ones. But I got it in and am so happy with the whisper quietness. They said it couldn't be done... LOL! I'll post pix in # build-pix section later. Good luck!

cloud adder
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I have the nzxt h500 right now and I’m thinking to upgrade for more airflow any opinions

alpine fox
#

I probably should get around to ordering the case I like before it disappears from stock

silver dagger
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thats nice

scenic lance
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Cant decide between these 2

light wyvern
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I would say number 2 but that’s just based on airflow

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What kind of system are you building because you can get better looking ones and one that have better airflow for cheaper most likely

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@scenic lance

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Just ping me if I don’t respond

scenic lance
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Working on changing out the CPU fan as well from Thermal to regular since the radiator is to bulky. Just want one with good airflow but much more storage space for SSDs and HDs

light wyvern
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Ok what’s ur budget and does rgb and color matter

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What size atx board u have as well

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@scenic lance

scenic lance
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Full size board I think. Looking at a full size case.

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Already got RGB and what not

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Just changing out my case.

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Old one has the RGB control from the front fans that caught fire a little

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so im moving away from corsair

light wyvern
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Ok gotcha

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I’ll look at mid tower

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I know the p400a is a amazing airflow and great looking one

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It’s for 90 and haven’t heard any complaints

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You can always get a 710i from nzxt

scenic lance
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I tihnk i have a mid tower now. Have my eyes on a full tower if I want to upgrade anything in the future

light wyvern
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Ok if you say so

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Here’s the best one I know of it’s a little pricey but that’s how much they cost for a full sized

scenic lance
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Aight

rotund pulsar
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The CM Trooper/Styker is a decent full tower, but the SE version sacrifice much of their 3.5" drive capacity and air flow options for SSD mounts and a tempered glass door, if those are things you're looking at for a case. Still a bit dated design wise if not.

The Cosmos are going to be comically huge if you're not using a lot of elaborate hardware.

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Friends of mine have had both, and those that have the Styker still have them while the one with the Cosmos got rid of it.

scenic lance
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Hmm aight

light wyvern
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Yeah any of these will be great what’s your budget anyways I need to know if their any

cloud adder
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What’s the most easiest case to get to do first water cooled build in

surreal magnet
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they are all very similar

cloud adder
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What would you recommend

light wyvern
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Uhh lian li dynamic

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Mid tower around 120-130

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And works amazing

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Look in #build-pics and see water filled builds with case and they all work well

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Cooled*

zinc bridge
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Anyone have a case recomendation for a full atx board, would like something that has a mount for a 2 fan radiator, and a psu shroud and good air flow

lime fog
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Phanteks p400a digital

zinc bridge
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Doesnt look like a bad case, amazon doesnt have a solid supply of stock options unfortunately

wary glacier
#

should i get the corsair 465x black

cloud adder
#

I’m going to get that soon

light wyvern
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Yeah it’s a good case

vocal tree
sleek linden
#

So um, having trouble finding the right PSU that has a 8+4 CPU connector for the Gigabyte z390 aorus pro mobo :c

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Or at least a PSU that has an additional 4-pin ATX connector

sleek linden
#

Well silly me, found a Corsair one, nevermind

lofty pewter
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@sleek linden You dont need the additional 4 pin. It's simply a marketing gimmick

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for z390

sleek linden
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Thought you needed it for overclocking?

sleek linden
#

Ah wait yes, the extra 4 pin on some mobos is for stupid dummy high overclocking. And since I'm only using an i5-9600k, even WITH some overclocking, prolly still won't need the the additional 4 pin

lofty pewter
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Something like dry ice OC on 9900k or something. 8 pin supplies 300w of power by ATX spec. No 1151 v3 CPU (8th/9th gen) CPU should take more then that amount without something like dry ice or LN2

zinc bridge
#

Thoughts on this case? Also didnt see any mention of harddrive mounts

modest parrot
#

Any cases under about $60 with decent cable management and build quality? looking to get a new case for my system and dont really have an idea what might work

light wyvern
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i know the q300l is good

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but it is a mirco atx board case

lime fog
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fractal design G?

elfin trout
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Focus G cable management isn't great, but it works.

golden kestrel
#

I like the cooler master mb311L but it went unavailable.

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Its like a mini H500m

flat sapphire
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@modest parrot The Rosewill's have always done be solid. Actually got my old system in two of the lesser expensive mid-sized ones downstairs. Good price, did the job.. those PC's are for the family to use.. I wasn't getting rid of my old CPU/MB.

drowsy remnant
#

Hey all was wondering on thoughts about seasonic m12 II 520 evo edition 520 watt bronze 80+.

I have it in my current build but was thinking about upgrading from a i5 6500 to the ryzen 5 3600 and possibly upgrading my GPU as well and wasnt sure if my PSU would be any good or if that is something that is in dire need of an upgrade.

lime fog
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@drowsy remnant what gpu are you upgrading to?

dusky oyster
#

I need recommendations on a psu please! And possibly a case recommendation! It’s the last two things I need I believe!

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That’s what I have so far

elfin trout
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Revolution d.f

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650w

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Case wise, I like the coolermaster H500.

drowsy remnant
#

@lime fog considering the 5600 XT sapphire pulse, the updated bios one.

Currently have the nvidia geforceGTX 1060 6gb

lime fog
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cool

drowsy remnant
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@lime fog any thoughts on it? I did some reading on it the past few days it seems to be a good card.

And any thoughts on the PSU or of it needs to be changed

lime fog
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its good enough

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@drowsy remnant

drowsy remnant
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@lime fog card or psu?

lime fog
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psu

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also, i think there is a 8gb version of the rx5500

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maybe check it out

drowsy remnant
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Will do thank you

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Looks like the 5500 is the same as my 1060 just with 2gb more Vram no?

lime fog
#

i guess

lofty pewter
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isnt much more

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considering you're going 3700x I'd assume more workloads then just gaming, to which why I'd point to a pretty good NVMe then a fair okay one

scenic lance
#

Any good cube case's where I can lay my motherboard flat down that are for sale?

flat eagle
#

thermaltakes core v21

snow crypt
#

quick poll: lian li pc-o11 dynamic XL or Corsair 680X?

thin hamlet
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ive heard very good things about Lian-Li

snow crypt
#

same here. it's just hard to find the danged thing in stock lol

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wondering if it'd be worth waiting for restock

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i.e., if anyone here who's recently purchased or upgraded to it would highly recommend

wide jungle
#

Currently trying to find out what is wrong with my PC. Begins to start just to immediately shut down before it can do anything but was working fine before last shut down which makes me think it's a power supply issue.
Is the paper clip test to check if it's the power supply legitimate?
Normally I would take it in to get it looked at but most places around here are closed for social distancing reasons.

tender root
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paper clip is to "short" the psu so it starts

dusky oyster
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@lofty pewter thank you! I’ll switch it out! Although it will mainly just be gaming, maybe streaming down the line but better it better right lol

wide jungle
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Okay the paper clip gets the psu fan spinning for like a second but the motherboard has no change. Not sure what the problem is since it was working fine this morning before I switched cases.

wide jungle
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Yeah my psu is toast

lyric coyote
#

Hey if I am planning on upgrading from a gtx 950 to a rtx 2070 sometime soon should I look into getting a new PSU. If so which one would y'all rec?

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My current PSU is only 400W

chrome iris
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hmm lemme see

silver dagger
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yEAH, THE 2070 USES 550 WATTS

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sorry caps

chrome iris
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You getting just a 2070 or a 2070 super?

silver dagger
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ill let Yeast handle this

chrome iris
#

I'm gonna go with the assumption you're just getting a 2070

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In my system I have an EVGA 600 GD. It's 80+ gold, has a 5 year warranty, and I love it. It's not the best of quality out there, but it works for me.

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Yep that's gonna be my recommendation @lyric coyote EVGA 600 GD

lyric coyote
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Yeah ok sounds good thanks. My current PSU is EVGA and I’ve had good luck with it

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Should i up it if I end up going with the super bc I’m debating between the two rn but if I end up buying a new psu I might just get the normal?

tender root
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@silver dagger "yEAH, THE 2070 USES 550 WATTS" <- that is 100% false

lofty pewter
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GD 2019 isn't really that good, aka the newest GD. 2018 was okay-ish. But get yourself a Corsair CX

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You could run a 2070 off a 450w, tho most 450w don't have enough PCIe cables

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With standard CPU and system, etc

tender root
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there is a difference from a full system requiring a 450w+ psu and a gpu alone using 550w

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VERY big diference

silver dagger
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That's y i let other people help him/her, i realize I'm not the best

tender root
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its just that context is important @silver dagger

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and i am not trying to stomp on you mate, just that people have a really bad habit of just copying what they see

silver dagger
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Yeah i understand, no problem

scenic lance
#

Is there anything bigger then the thermaltakes core v21 where I can lay the motherboard flat?

tender root
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aside from server chassis? not that i can think of as such

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well, actually, is the prodigy still in circulation ..

vocal tree
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Just flip the case on its side :)

tender root
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nope, the prodigy M is "normal" in the mainboard tray

lofty pewter
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@lyric coyote I'd go for Corsair CX series over GD. Isn't missing protections or have a sleeve bearing fan
iirc has higher operating Temp too. May be wrong tho

scenic lance
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Is there a case where I don't have to do that lol?

tender root
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@scenic lance there is the Cooler Master HAF XB Evo

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it is NOT pretty

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and i must admit, i had completely suppressed the memory of this even being a thing

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ye gods, it really isnt pretty

scenic lance
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@tender root Thanks 👍. I really don't mind the way it looks I just don't want the CPU cooler pulling on the motherboard

tender root
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unless you plan on juggling your case, that is not something you have to worry about with a proper cooler

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as in: Proper cooler also has a proper mounting system that is actually designed for it

lyric coyote
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@lofty pewter thanks for the suggestion I’m gonna do some more research but that is good to know!

lofty pewter
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@lyric coyote PSUs have a lot of stuff to consider. Researching isn't exactly easy. Finding out voltage regulation/ripple, transient response, protections, capacitor quality, fan quality, noise, etc for a beginner is quite hard. So be wary of things you see online.

wide jungle
#

is it possible to have too powerful of a power supply?

scenic lance
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Okay thanks 👍

zinc bridge
#

Any recommendations for cheap RGB strips? Preferably addressable and magnetic? I had an iBuyPower one but I think I just accidently shorted it out.

swift portal
#

Looking to get a case under $50 CAD, any recommendations?

lime fog
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@swift portal that’s a hard pick... let me see if there’s anything I can find.

chrome iris
#

@swift portal I just used the DIYPC DIY-S07-BK for a recent PC flip. It's nice looking but honestly it's a little odd

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Top mounted PSU, weird SSD/HDD mounting, but if you can cable manage it good it'll look nice

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IDK if it'll be under $50 CAD though. It might cut it close

swift portal
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Thanks, I’ve never built a PC before so I don’t really want to use something too complicated.

chrome iris
#

Honestly, you gotta look for cases more expensive than that. A case for even $60 CAD won't get you anything good tbh.

vocal tree
#

Say sike

chrome iris
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what

vocal tree
#

K nvm I can't find the case I like available anywhere

chrome iris
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Oh what case do you have

vocal tree
#

I know it was available at some Japanese site but that doesn't get me much

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I just have a Lenovo office computer case lol

chrome iris
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Oh, what case do you like then

vocal tree
#

Thermaltake H18 Versa is cool though

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It was a good price and good availability a month or so ago

chrome iris
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Oh yeah that's a pretty nice looking thing

vocal tree
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And the airflow is 👌

chrome iris
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Yeah especially with a mesh front panel like that

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My case has bad front panel airflow

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If the mesh version of my case was out before I bought the case I have now, I definitely would have gone for it

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It would've also brought out the RGB fans on the front

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idk maybe I'll still get it once I sell a few more PCs

vocal tree
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I wish you could get front panel, side panel, etc. Replacements

chrome iris
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Same. I've wished that too often

vocal tree
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So if you wanted like an acryllic panel instead of a glass one, you could order the acryllic and be on your merry way

chrome iris
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The front panel on my case can't be taken off though, it does something diiferent 😦

vocal tree
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:(

chrome iris
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I've never heard someone want acrylic over tempered glass 😆

vocal tree
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Well, maybe you don't want to deal with breakables

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

chrome iris
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Yeah I get it

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Acrylic can't really get scratched or cracked

vocal tree
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Kinda wish the acryllic H18 side panel still existed

chrome iris
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Was it cheaper than the normal one?

vocal tree
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I'm not sure, I don't believe I became aware of the case until it was phased out

chrome iris
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Dang that's sad

vocal tree
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There's an ATX case that has very similar design to the H18

chrome iris
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Which one

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Is it a DIYPC case

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I feel like they might make something like that

vocal tree
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And I can't find it lol

chrome iris
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oh no

vocal tree
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Here it is

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Subtly different, but pretty much the same style

chrome iris
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Oh yeah

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Still looks pretty sleek though

vocal tree
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I do kinda want it but my computer is still serving well, so I don't need to make such an upgrade

chrome iris
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Well a case upgrade would pretty much be purely for aesthetics

vocal tree
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Yeah :p

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This board isn't something I would want to put in a nice new case though

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If I were to get a new case, I'd prefer build a new system inside it and leave my current one alone

chrome iris
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Yeah

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You’re build is the e-450 one right?

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That’s just a CPU integrated into a board right?

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Same with the GPU?

vocal tree
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Yep

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Different computer tho

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My i7-4790 is in a Lenovo H81 chipset board

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Nothing special to swap over to a new case for, but still a decent computer

chrome iris
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Oh sweet

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What GPU you got in there?

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Anything special?

vocal tree
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A Lenovo GT 730 NYEHE

chrome iris
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daang

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I'm guessing you don't do gaming

vocal tree
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It's surprisingly quite the trooper, but of course not much

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I do but I suffer through it Dumb

chrome iris
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Lmao

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What games you play?

vocal tree
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I didn't even realize that NFS World could actually perform at a good framerate until yesterday when I cranked the graphics way down

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Minecraft mostly

chrome iris
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Oh sweet I just got off from playing that

vocal tree
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I don't have much drive space on my SSD for games, I need to move my Steam installation to a hard drive

chrome iris
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Yeah that'd be worthwhile

vocal tree
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I bought Assetto Corsa for like 6 dollars recently so I'm excited to play that at some point

chrome iris
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ooh

vocal tree
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I stopped playing War Thunder a while ago because of so many huge updates lmao

chrome iris
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Yeah that's how I feel about Fortnite

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Although I guess I don't mind it anymore, but I got bored of Fortnite

vocal tree
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Ah

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I got a lot of games as freebies, mostly smaller games

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One game I'm glad I bought though is Homebrew: Patent Unknown, a game on Steam

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The devs are pals Yawy

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I want to get a 1650 Super so I can get a performance boost in games

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Big upgrade from 384 cores at 900MHz

elfin trout
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War thunder is so fun imo @vocal tree

vocal tree
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I love WT

elfin trout
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I really like playing it

vocal tree
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Even just flying around in test flight is fun

elfin trout
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I'm not great but sometimes I pull off some cool stuff

vocal tree
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Nice, same👀

elfin trout
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Which tree did you go down

vocal tree
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I think USA

elfin trout
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I went down both American and USSR

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The IL-2 1942 and 1940 are sooooo fun

vocal tree
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My favorite plane is the A30G I think it's called

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The twin engine attacker

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Bombing runs are so vroom with that thing

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Vroom vroom there and veroom vroom back and I have front guns lol

elfin trout
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They have amazing turn rates, amazing guns, and some bombs and rockets

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A30g?

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I can't check rn

vocal tree
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A20G I think

elfin trout
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But my fav American plane is the b25j or something

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It's lower tier

vocal tree
#

Ah

elfin trout
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But it's just a beefy bomber

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It has like 6x frontal mg

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Plus ball turrets

vocal tree
#

PBY-5A is a cool plane, not really fun to fly in WT but I love it

elfin trout
#

I find it fun in WT

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Bit slow

vocal tree
#

I always get shot to bits lol

elfin trout
#

But it's a bomber

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Eh

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Il2 might remain my fav aircraft for a long time

#

It's just so good

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It's like 2x 20mm front Cannon and 4x MGs

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Also

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8 rockets and 4 100kg bombs

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100 or 200 I don't remember

vocal tree
#

20mm 💪

elfin trout
#

A20g-25 maybe?

vocal tree
#

Yup

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It's a serious hot rod (or was last time I checked)

elfin trout
#

Nice

vocal tree
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It has the horses to outrun a lot of luftwaffe fighters lol

elfin trout
vocal tree
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I just stay high until they notice me, then I retreat while shallow diving, and then I skirt the river canyons

elfin trout
#

I have a clip from me playing on the il2-1942 today

vocal tree
#

😳

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I need to research my Russian tree

elfin trout
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Got 5 kills onto fighters

vocal tree
#

Nice

elfin trout
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Just out manuvered them

vocal tree
#

I'm no good at outmaneuvering from what I remember

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Just outrunning xd

elfin trout
#

Only downside is it doesn't maintain speed too well through turns

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So you slow down the more you dogfight

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Until you just kinda stall ish

#

Side note, thought this was #gaming , but eh

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Its here now and I can't change that

vocal tree
#

Lol

chrome iris
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War thunder was made by the people who made world of tanks?

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Wait no

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Wait

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I don’t remember

lime fog
#

No

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It’s Gaijin

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I play it too

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On German tree

elfin trout
#

World of Tanks is a completely different game

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ima go play some war thunder

lime fog
#

I

vocal tree
#

World of War Planes is what you're thinking of

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I think

elfin trout
#

Still a different game @vocal tree .

vocal tree
#

Yes

elfin trout
#

Gaijin makes War Thunder

vocal tree
#

Yes 😛

elfin trout
#

Wargaming makes all the World of [blank]s

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War thunder is all the World of [blank] games together

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and more realistic

chrome iris
#

I guess if better try war thunder then. I’ve always been a WoT fan

lyric coyote
#

Hey has anyone had experience between the rx and cx series Corsair PSU? I’m trying to figure out which one is better mainly in terms of a deal and performance.

rustic sand
#

Well what wattage and what rating. Personally I would go evga or seasonic

lyric coyote
#

I’m looking at 550 W. I’m not sure what rating I need. I’m not really sure what difference it makes? Why would you go EVGA or seasonic instead?

#

@rustic sand

elfin trout
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@lyric coyote RX?

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You mean RMx?

lyric coyote
#

Yes my bad

elfin trout
#

I would definally go RMx between the two.

#

It's a great PSU, but the pricing might be too high.

rustic sand
#

I've always had really good service from evga and evga psu have treated me well and always have better pricing. Personally I would go 650 watt

lyric coyote
#

Ok and why is that?

elfin trout
#

Mikey, remember, 550w can handle 3950x+2080ti.

rustic sand
#

The more wattage the less stress on a psu and your able to overclock with no issues

#

Yeah and that 550w psu is heating up

elfin trout
#

And PSUs can easily handle overload up to about 120% of it's rated wattage.

rustic sand
#

You always want extra headroom no matter what they last longer

elfin trout
#

and 3950x 2080ti sits comfortably in 550w.

rustic sand
#

It's not comforting seeing a psu fully used lol

elfin trout
#

It still has a load of headroom before problems show up

rustic sand
#

I mean I got a 850watt g2 in my build so i got all the room in the world to go crazy lol

elfin trout
#

Including dual GPU

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I went 750w g3 in case I wanted to go HEDT for some reason

lyric coyote
#

Once I’m done upgrading I’m going to be running a 2070 with a i7 9700 and the Newegg voltage calculator for what that is worth said it should only take up around 450 watts

elfin trout
#

650w is fine, but just saying, 550w is more than enough for most people.

rustic sand
#

I got my 850g2 for $80 brand new on Amazon 🤷 with a 10 year warranty couldn't pass on it

elfin trout
#

Yea

#

450 by the calculator, 550w is more than enough

rustic sand
#

Yeah but gotta include overclocking and other things as wellm

elfin trout
#

I do

lyric coyote
#

I’m probably not gonna be over clocking

elfin trout
#

Overclocking does not take that much more power

#

unless you're going crazy with ln2

rustic sand
#

Plus most 550 are bronze and no modular. And if the do it's almost the cost of a 650

elfin trout
#

bro

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phanteks amp

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550w

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95$

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anyways

rustic sand
#

Evga 650watt golf modular $95..

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Gold

#

See the issue

elfin trout
#

what, g3?

#

G3 has OCP set too high

#

You need the exact model

#

what, 5% increase in power

lyric coyote
#

Wow that EVGA sounds like a better deal than the Corsair

rustic sand
#

Exactly

elfin trout
#

Sounds like a better deal, but you need to check everything.

rustic sand
#

550 watt gold psu that's semi or fully modular is a ripoff for pricing

elfin trout
#

Depends

#

Phanteks amp 550w is fully modular, very good PSU.

rustic sand
#

Yeah but cost almost as much as a 650watt same rating

elfin trout
#

link me one

#

because I'm not seeing any

#

I don't see a EVGA one at 95$ for 650w.

rustic sand
#

I seen it on ebay

elfin trout
#

Stock right now matters too

#

bruhhhh

rustic sand
#

But this cooler master one is also a example

elfin trout
#

MWE gold is one tier down from amp

#

just an example

#

Yes I know 650w can be had, I'd much rather recommend a Revolution D.F. 650w right now, just because it's a better PSU, but that's out of stock.

#

So right now, Amp is the best thing I can find.

rustic sand
#

Still good ratings that's taking it alot further than what most people will look at. Both realiable but for pricing the 650 watt is the best deal

#

But the whole stock thing is messing up everyone

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And increasing prices

elfin trout
#

Yea

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and thats why I'm suggesting amp 550w right now

limpid bay
#

i just got a bad boi psu

elfin trout
#

Just a reference for what the differences between tiers are.

limpid bay
#

just got a vultech SmileyEgg

elfin trout
#

Amp is tier A, MWE Gold is tier B.

lyric coyote
#

Hey guys thanks for the help!

lofty pewter
#

B+ not B, unless it changed @elfin trout

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Main difference is the caps. MWE has meh caps so it won't last as long as AMP theoretically

elfin trout
#

oops

#

@lofty pewter meant to say B+, my screenshot was trying to say A vs B+ xD

lofty pewter
#

Eh, you tried

scenic lance
#

anyone know of any nice white cases? Already know about NZXT Cases so I want to see what else is out there.

lime fog
#

the white phanteks p400a digital

vocal tree
#

oh no where did CX 450 go :(

elfin trout
#

did it go OOS?

vocal tree
#

maybe

#

can't find the page for it on Newegg

vocal tree
#

frick I found it again

golden kestrel
#

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

vocal tree
#

a good thing

#

I couldn't find it through Newegg's own search, I had to use search engine

golden kestrel
#

Oh, you said Frick so idk lol

vocal tree
#

just like when I search for Intel CPUs on ARK, I always have to use a search engine because their internal search function is screwed

#

yeah I'm just bein doof

golden kestrel
vocal tree
wary glacier
#

should i get the corsair x570x case or 465x

elfin trout
#

What

golden kestrel
#

I got an old psu that I wouldn't put in another system. Should I just throw it away or is there another use for it?

tender root
#

if you know that you will tinker with random electronic projects, it might be a powersource for that, but how realistic that is, is entirely on you to decide @golden kestrel

#

(based on what i have seen so far, i am surprised that the psu isnt in low orbit already)

golden kestrel
#

Lol ok

#

What would be your recommendation for a budget (but not explosive) psu. Doesnt need to be more than 500w.

tender root
#

cx

golden kestrel
#

Thought you might say that

#

Ok thanks

tender root
#

happy to hear you are developing mindreading abilities @golden kestrel

#

next thing that happens is you will notice that you dislike my sarcastic wit

golden kestrel
#

Lol. I don't mind it one bit. I'm rather sarcastic myself when I'm in the position to be so. As you are right now 😉

tender root
#

no really?

golden kestrel
#

Wdym?

tender root
#

me? sarcastic? that would never happen.

golden kestrel
#

Oh lol

#

Rather hard to tell over text :)

tender root
#

it is not as if i have plenty of ammunition to feed the sarcasm reactor here

#

(i know)

golden kestrel
#

:)

half meadow
#

should I go with the corsair rm 750w 80+gold or the rmx 550w 80+gold corssair they are like 10 bucks difference

amber forum
#

@half meadow 750w

lofty pewter
#

@half meadow @amber forum RMx 550w. Because better capacitor quality. More wattage =/= better.

half meadow
#

Ok im getting mixed answers

elfin trout
#

550w

teal ferry
#

so I'm not sure if this goes here but it is about PSUs, mine just went on me last night, really aggressively. It's not even 2 months old, a TT toughpower 80+ gold RGB 850W. I was just playing games with my friends, and all of a sudden, I saw a really bright flash from the PSU and heard a loud pop. I replaced it with my 650W this morning and it still doesn't turn on so I know it took at least the board with it

#

I filed a claim on thermaltake's site, but what about the rest of my system? what should I do?

tender root
#

cross your fingers really hard and hope that it has ONLY taken the board

teal ferry
#

yeah that's what I was thinking

tender root
#

something for you to start with is the following:

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pull the system down to the absolute minimum

#

and go from there

#

also, IF your board has diagnostic leds, use them

teal ferry
#

issue with that too is that I have a Z170A, it's an old board they don't make anymore, new ones don't exist and I don't really trust a used board

#

if the new board has diagnostic LEDs?

#

cause rn, it won't even turn on

#

not even with the old PSU that I know works

tender root
#

read again please :)

teal ferry
#

okay, still a little confused lmao

tender root
#

okay, fair :)

#

lets go from the top then :)

teal ferry
#

I've never had to deal with this unfortunately haha

tender root
#

you currently have a system that is made from X number of parts

#

in the rare event that is is NOT the board, but something on it that is acting up.

#

you want to remove as many things as you can from the board and then start testing with that

#

follow me so far?

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(side note: do you know which specific z170a you have?)

teal ferry
#

yeah I follow you, it's a Z170A gaming M5 from MSI

tender root
#

2sec

teal ferry
#

kk

tender root
#

gaming pro?

teal ferry
#

not sure, let me check myself

#

i'll know if I saw a picture for sure

tender root
#

thank you :)

teal ferry
#

well that's cool it rejected the link lmao

#

nah it's not the gaming pro, it's the gaming M5

tender root
#

@teal ferry you cannot post links until you have lvl3 (to prevent link spam by new users)

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okay, 2sec then

teal ferry
#

ahh okay makes sense

tender root
teal ferry
#

yup it's that one