#cases-psu-and-cooling

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static sigil
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But

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Unless you're doing a massive cooling loop, you have no need for a full tower

tender root
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Front: Three 120mm or two 140mm* fans and up to a 360mm radiator with a maximum thickness of 50mm without fans. <- that is what it says

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meaning, the radiator with everything BUT the fans can take up a total of 50mm

static sigil
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Okay

dapper badge
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Is a 80+ certified still good

tender root
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on its own, it does not mean much

dapper badge
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So you would not recommend it

tender root
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not what i am saying at all

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i am saying that "80+ certified" as the only data point is useless to judge something by

dapper badge
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Ok

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Thanks

tender root
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if you want more info, you have to post more info for us to help you

dapper badge
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Ok

static sigil
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The certification is just how efficient it is

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80+ usually sits around 80% of what it draws

dapper badge
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Thanks

scenic lance
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@static sigil o11 Dynamic

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Not Dynamic XL

static sigil
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It's still massive

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I mean it's up to you

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But if you like the style and look of it

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You can go with a crystal 470x and take the fans off the front

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Even though you would have those annoying xs

rugged sedge
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question does a 2080s from gigabyte fit in a corsair 280x crystal

frosty zodiac
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hello is the Coolermaster MB511 good

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pls @ me

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if not responding dm me

tender root
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@rugged sedge the max card length allowed in the x280 on your list is 300mm

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the 2080s on your list is 286

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so yes.

rugged sedge
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okay

tender root
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have you stumbled upon any other questions @rugged sedge ?

minor portalBOT
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yousseftdl#9999 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

rugged sedge
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woops

tender root
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:)

rugged sedge
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I made another setup but didn't use that one website:)

tender root
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okay, something you want to show me or?

rugged sedge
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idk do you want it

tender root
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if you want my feedback on it?

rugged sedge
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sure

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il send through dm alright

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because I cant send pics here

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I think

tender root
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you can

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just drag'n'drop it

rugged sedge
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oh wait il make screens

tender root
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just be careful of personal info :)

rugged sedge
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here

tender root
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would you like the long or the short reaction/answer to it?

rugged sedge
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Idk if it will help

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then give everything that is bad prob the ssds and psu and such huh

tender root
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it is overpriced by about 1000

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imo

rugged sedge
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oh

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well has it to do with cpu and gpu

tender root
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it is simply not worth the money

rugged sedge
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?

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because I wanna keep that

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and the cpu cooler aswell prob

tender root
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give me 5 minutes to recreate that in pcpartpicker. (so that it is easier to look over)

rugged sedge
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ok

tender root
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okay

rugged sedge
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well I'm bad at thisD7_madcry

tender root
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before i pull that intel build apart. I would like to hear from you. Why do you think you want that build?

rugged sedge
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same reason I maybe wanna play this pc and than on 2 pcs maybe so like a 2 monitor setup but you can use both monitors for gaming and editing and the second one I wanna use for editing homework and music

tender root
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not quite what i am asking.

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let me try again.

rugged sedge
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idk if that is possible

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oh

tender root
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what makes you willing to pay that amount of money for that system? (the intel one)

rugged sedge
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well because idk its my first setup and I want the best of the best so I dont have to get a new thing or parts for like a bunch of years

tender root
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so, you want the best you can get for a given amount of money?

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given=set

rugged sedge
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yes

tender root
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then delete the intel build

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you are paying more, and getting less.

rugged sedge
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okay I'l be back in a minute gonna eat

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send everything to my dms

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pls

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if thats hard for you

tender root
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aye aye :) enjoy your dinner.

rugged sedge
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and we will talk there

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you to if you're gonna:)

tender root
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if you wish to continue in a pm, we can do that. i will send you the link.

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thank you.

lofty pewter
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Naed has probably sorted this out by now, but my little thought here
3700x+2080Ti > 9900k+2080S

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fairly sure the prices should be the same

tender root
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it ended up with a 3900+2080super

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other things played into that

lofty pewter
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yeah, depends on what you do for what is actually better

tender root
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aye

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i am looking forward to seeing how it turns out for him

primal remnant
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i want the new CPUs to come rolling in so i can get the 3900X at a discounted rate

pliant bridge
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nice

static sigil
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I think the ampere gpus are coming first

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So in terms of cases, will they usually come with the cables needed for the front IO?

velvet wyvern
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Yes

tender root
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@lofty pewter alive?

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@lofty pewter corsair tx650m or toughpower grand rgb 650w <- those are sadly the only choices. so which of those two?

lofty pewter
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It'll probably take me quite a few hours to get to comparing them as idk what is actually better without researching (which Im too tired to do rn, taking a nap).

tender root
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@lofty pewter no rush mate, have a good nap

primal remnant
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i'd lean towards the tx650m myself, that is because i like corsair

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the toughpower grand RGB i've been told is good though

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question is how reliable is the source

lofty pewter
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@tender root Seems like TXM is on average better so I'd go for that

tender root
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@lofty pewter thank you for the info

lofty pewter
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no problem

faint solstice
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whats a good ~$50-100 case?

primal remnant
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i feel like building in this would be a nightmare but the end result would be so good

surreal magnet
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That looks like an alright case

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Airflow is definitely not an issue

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Don't worry about building being a nightmare, that's the fun part, and the longer it takes, the more satisfting the end result is

cursive current
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lately i've been falling in love with the sff cases on aliexpress
i want to know what some of you guys' recommendations are for very compact cases at a reasonably price

tender root
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@cursive current your reasonable might not be our reasonable. Personally i am a fan of the fractal design node304

sinful hinge
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@primal remnant i have the Core V21 M-ATX version of this case. its great for the aspect that you do not have to worry about any possible GPU sag. downside to it is that you are extremely limited for cable management and need to make sure that your cable runs are on point if ou want the asthetics looking great.

round wedge
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anyone have any opinions about the lian li lancool II case? I just bought it and I'm enjoying it so far.

vague hatch
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So, I have an old crap 500w power supply. Yes, it gets the job done but the thing is really loud. I have a ryzen 2700x and an rx570, so I doubt I need anything more powerful, but I would like something that is quieter (and possibly something that won't break the bank). Any recommendations?

elfin trout
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Corsair RMx could be nice

vague hatch
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Looks really nice, but in my current position it would take me a while to scrounge up $120. Anything sub $100 thats good enough?

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(also just a note: being modular is nice but not necessary)

faint solstice
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The cx 2017 series is well-rated but its non modular

tender root
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@vague hatch as @faint solstice said, the cx 2017 is a solid choice for you. (it is unlikely that your current one is modular, so it would not change anything except noise)

vague hatch
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yes, my current one isn't modular, so that doesn't affect me. Thanks for the recommendation

faint solstice
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Np, good luck

distant jetty
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I need a power supply 750. anyone got suggestions

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under 95 if possible

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on amazon a lot of them have 4 star reviews but some of the comments are negative

tender root
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@distant jetty question: what makes you say that you "need" a 750w psu?

lofty pewter
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There are no 750w PSUs worth buying under or at 95. If your PC requires a 750w PSU it'd have to be something like an OCed 9900k and 2080Ti or better. Basically $2500+ put into the PC. Your PSU cost should be proportional to the PC cost. If you have the money for such an expensive PC get a PSU that'll give clean power, has good protections, will last a long time, etc.

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Also note, the only B3 that isnt trash is 650

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any other can break due to a bad OPP setup

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Wont damage the PC afaik. But still if the PSU can die that easily it's a bad buy

distant jetty
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I have a 2070 super, ryzen 5 3600

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nothing oc

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it suggested 750watt power supply this website. So what powersupply would you suggest then @lofty pewter

lofty pewter
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That's 460w of total power consumption

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90w CPU + 300w GPU + 70w rest of system

distant jetty
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so would a 650w do any good

lofty pewter
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550/650 is good

lofty pewter
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No. S12/M12 lacks good quality, even if from one of the most reputable brands

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Get Corsair CX if you want to save money (not CXM). Cooler Master MWE Gold for modular. Or Phanteks AMP or Corsair RM/RMx for best quality in that price range

distant jetty
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Ohh you said not the cx,

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CXm

tender root
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@distant jetty cx for budget, you have to go further up the line for the good seasonic stuff

vague hatch
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How do I calculate total power consumption of the PC build I have?

tender root
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count plugs

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that gives you the max it is possible for the parts to pull

lofty pewter
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CPU is eh for that, as it's almost always an 8 pin EPS

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But for GPUs that usually works well

faint solstice
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How accurate is the pcpp tdp estimation?

lofty pewter
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That depends on the accuracy of what Intel, AMD, and Nvidia TDPs are

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AMD CPUs have good TDP accuracy

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The rest are eh

faint solstice
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Hmm

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How far over should you go with your psu wattage

lofty pewter
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I research the component max wattage. CPU and GPU, and on average 70w for rest of system

tender root
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i have a personal preference for 15-20% over

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but, that is for my own systems.

faint solstice
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Ok cool so it depends on the parts specifically

tender root
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because i know i will hook weird things up over time.

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aye, as Hei mentions, it will depend on the specific parts

faint solstice
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Ok well thanks for the info

west kite
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Could someone give me a great case that has good airflow? im not planning to have RGB

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for my parts so the case doesnt have to have RGB o.o

plucky bough
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Meshify C had great airflow

west kite
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thannkss

meager pilot
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um can anyone help me?

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my pc fan is making noise is that bad?

tender root
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the one on the cpu or a case fan or one on your gpu?

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@meager pilot

meager pilot
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the case fan

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on top

tender root
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probably the bearing that has worn out

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it doesnt matter insanely much

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you should be able to just power off the machine, open the case and trace where it (the specific fan that makes noise) plugs in and unplug it.

meager pilot
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ahh alright

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i thought maybe something was actually broken since it making so much noises

tender root
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just the bearing that enables it to spin

meager pilot
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i clean the dust and all and it was still making noise that why i was confuse

tender root
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fans will wear out over time.

meager pilot
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so should i technically change fans?

tender root
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yes

meager pilot
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alright thank you

tender root
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well, just that one

meager pilot
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ye

tender root
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dont go and change all of them :)

meager pilot
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i won't lel

tender root
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best of luck :)

meager pilot
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ye ty for the help

tender root
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you are very welcome :)

turbid hedge
surreal magnet
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How big is the rog Maximus XI

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ATX? EATX?

turbid hedge
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was told atx

tender root
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which version of XI?

surreal magnet
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Then it should fit in an ATX case

tender root
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actually, nvm, code/hero/formula/extreme, all 4 versions are ATX

vocal talon
surreal magnet
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Yo that's a cute af case

plucky bough
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I see MWE Gold Full Modular buyers encounter 'buzzing' coil whine problems with the PSU. If I buy one, will I potentially have the same problem or has CM fixed it ?

proper remnant
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what do you guys think about the corsair crystal 280x , i'd like to buy that

flat eagle
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If you like it, get it.

plucky bough
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I heard great things about it

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Also, since you like it, you should def get it 🙂

lofty pewter
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@plucky bough I dont know anything about the whining and how common it is. Could be quite a small issue. However, if it is an issue CM wouldnt fix it. They'd release a new model rather then customize the parts of the current model to fix the whining

plucky bough
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I see. Was wondering since I don’t want to hear this continuous noise when I’m next to the PC if this MWE Gold problem ever happens to me (if I buy one)

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@lofty pewter

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Also, in pure specs, what is better ? CX 2017 or MWE gold ?

lofty pewter
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CX and MWE gold are about equal. However given the potential noise issue CX might be better (I still dont know if MWE gold has this as a common issue or if was just a lemon)

vapid pumice
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Whats a good mini case

tender root
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@vapid pumice depends on your needs. do you still need a gpu?

vapid pumice
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yessir

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just tryina build a baby pc basically, gonna try to run my VR setup off it

tender root
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if you want small but still actually usable case. the node304 is a fair start

vapid pumice
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what you think about the A1 plus

tender root
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hm

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not really a fan

vapid pumice
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Im not a fan of the price tbh

tender root
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based on the gallery etc of the A1 plus, it looks "dingy"

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i know that the node304 is not that.

vapid pumice
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wym dingy

tender root
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and yes, i know the 304 is not a "fancy" looking case. but it is however a solid construction.

vapid pumice
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ah so you mean 304 isnt a POS

tender root
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yes

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however, as i said, the a1 plus looks dingy. i dont know if it actually is.

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never touched/build in one

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i have built a lot of machines in node304's

vapid pumice
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oh ok

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Doesnt need to be pretty

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just needs to be small and functional

tender root
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that is the node304 to a T

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the main limit for you will be width of the GPU cooler

vapid pumice
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breath well?

tender root
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1080ti founder works fine in it

vapid pumice
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so skinny cards

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got it

tender root
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2 slot width

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not 2.x

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that is the main downside

vapid pumice
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Dont think the Strix would fit, was wider than a phone book

tender root
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because a lot of coolers now are wide

vapid pumice
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you use air cooling for cpu in this case right

tender root
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aye

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because IF you dont have a bunch of mech drives. there is clear access from the front fans to the back one

vapid pumice
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yea was just thinking one lol

tender root
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just a fair warning, you want a fully modular psu :)

vapid pumice
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Have you tried any cases that are slightly larger

tender root
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aye, i have

vapid pumice
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I only do modular lmao

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what do you suggest

tender root
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2sec, let me grab the link (cant ever remember the name)

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there

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that is a different take on things

vapid pumice
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lool

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looks like a little hotel can

tender root
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it is an "interesting" case to build in

vapid pumice
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*pain in the ass

tender root
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could be

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if you want a "medium-ish" case that can be visual, and it easy to move too

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get the bitfenix prodigy m

vapid pumice
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looks nice

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where tf do you buy it at though

tender root
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no clue :)

vapid pumice
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ive only seen ebay lol

tender root
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amazon has it

vapid pumice
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said unavailable to me

vapid pumice
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still is lmao

tender root
vapid pumice
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All the way from UK

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heck yea

tender root
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keep in mind, that is the black one

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the situation is different for the other colours

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the white has a bunch of sellers fx

vapid pumice
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yesir thank you

tender root
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you are very welcome

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bitfenix has a couple of other "small" cases like the colussus that might be of interest

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there is a itx version of it too

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and yes, i have a bit of a softspot for the bitfenix cases. they are quirky interesting products

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very much in the same vein as the ft03 mini i linked earlier

elfin trout
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Do y'all think the CM TD500 or H500 looks better

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In your opinion.

faint solstice
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I think the h500 looks better imo but the td500 looks like it has better airflow with the mesh front

elfin trout
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h500 has mesh front too..?

lofty pewter
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original h500 has mesh, h500p didnt

west kite
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someone sold me their Corsair Crystal Series 680X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case for 200 CAD good deal right?

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6 months of usage

faint solstice
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oh you were talking about the cooler master h500. I was talking about the NZXT h500

elfin trout
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Talking about cm h500.

lofty pewter
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not much info on it. From what I have gathered it isnt good

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So I'd advise to switch it

naive marsh
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Okay

light wyvern
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So is the td500 mesh white good or nah

elfin trout
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Should be good

light wyvern
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Ok thanks

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Corsair or evga for psu

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750 watt

elfin trout
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Corsair has some neat PSUs

light wyvern
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Ok cool cool

elfin trout
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RMx and RM especially

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EVGA G2 is good

light wyvern
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Which one is better For budget

elfin trout
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Corsair CX and CXm are more budget options

light wyvern
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I’ll get the rm

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Thanks for ur help

lofty pewter
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750w and budget dont go together

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if your PC needs a 750w PSU, it'll be 2.5k+

elfin trout
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550w should be all you need

lofty pewter
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As such you should get a PSU that gives as clean power as you can within that budget

light wyvern
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So what about future upgrades

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Should a 550 watt continue to work

lofty pewter
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Ever since dual GPUs have been removed from the consumer GPU lineup (GTX 690) GPUs power consumption has been 300w - 375w on the high end. 780Ti, 980Ti, 1080Ti, and 2080Ti. Dont see why they'd change that now

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CPUs are going to stay 90w or so on standard consumer side most likely

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but even if we go moderately high end on CPU and have it at say 120w
120w (CPU) + 375w (GPU) + 70w (rest of system) = 565w
Most decent PSUs can more then easily go above their rated spec. So a good 550w can easily sustain a really high end system

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power consumption used in calculating wattage was from a 3700x and a 2080Ti

primal remnant
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I bought an RM750 because i decided to overshoot

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i don't regret spending the money on it, it's going to last me a few builds

distant jetty
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Thanks for all your help

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I dont trust my current smart power 600wpower supply

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so I deciced to go with this seasonic gold 650w power supply to help me in the long

vocal talon
distant jetty
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@vocal talon shipping is darn expensive e

vocal talon
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oh

distant jetty
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5.99 shipping

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I have a 1070ti ryzen 5 2600 dont think I need a 750w power supply

vocal talon
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yeah but if it’s only $5 more for futureproofing, I’d spend it gladly

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does amazon have free shipping on it?

distant jetty
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Yes thank you

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@vocal talon

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I just placed it!

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Is Amps phanteks powr supplies well known

vocal talon
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yeah they’re really nice, ask @lofty pewter about psu rankings

scenic lance
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Is the Cooler Master Q300L a solid budget case

distant jetty
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@scenic lance how much can u spend

scenic lance
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$600

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$650

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Around there

distant jetty
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On the case

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Lol

scenic lance
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No

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For the whole pc

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Haha

distant jetty
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Like what would be your budget on the case

scenic lance
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For a case maybe up to 75

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Idk

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I’m just trying to find a matx case which good air flow

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With*

distant jetty
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Ohhh a matx

scenic lance
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Well a mid is fine

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But I would prefer matx

distant jetty
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Master box is a nice case

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But what you have is good

scenic lance
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Ok

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Thank you ill check it out

distant jetty
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If you can the meshify c is an amazing case

plucky bough
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The Q300L is very solid at that price for a M-Atx case

vocal talon
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@scenic lance the h510/500 support matx and atx, I’ve got a matx board in my h500

elfin trout
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CM or NZXT h500

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better specify

lofty pewter
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@distant jetty AMP series isnt exactly well known outside of people who look at PSUs afaik. Not by a brand that most people already know like Corsair/Seasonic so they dont have a whole lot of trust. However the AMP is really good quality for its price. About the cheapest of its quality.

vocal talon
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@elfin trout the big white brick nzxt one :v

elfin trout
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There ya go

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I'm gonna keep doing that bc ppl thought I was talking about nzxt h500
But I like cm h500

fleet temple
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h440 and s340 is one of the og cases

vocal talon
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h400 best nzxt case

vague hatch
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So dumb question
I've had the same Corsair spec 1 case for a couple years now. It still serves me well, but you can see some signs of age and all of its feet are gone. Should I get a new case or is mine good enough?

tender root
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does the case do all you want it to?

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if yes, dont bother changing it

lofty pewter
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I mean, spec01 doesnt have the bad airflow plague

marble girder
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My friend has a Rosewill Glacier 500M but has lost the cables, is there anywhere he could get replacement cables?

surreal magnet
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ebay

marble girder
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I can't find a single link on ebay

surreal magnet
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darn

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you could try getting custom cables made

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like from cablemod

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but those r pricy

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and you would be better off just getting a whole new psu

marble girder
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Alright. Thanks.

surreal magnet
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you COULD

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make your own

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i think molex makes the empty connectors, then you can just get a ton of connector pins

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then get a coil of wire

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get some pinouts

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boom

marble girder
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Oh I'm aware I could make my own but hell no. It would be better to just buy a second build.

surreal magnet
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lmao yeah

marble girder
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I overlooked his build and he has 1 ram slot unplugged and never has used his 1070, been using integrated graphics, graphics card wasnt even plugged in. Threw out all the "extra" cables

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One of his drives ain't formated either.

surreal magnet
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rip lmao

lofty pewter
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you'd need to know the pin layout if you were to make your own. Not all PSUs follow the ATX layout on their side of the connections

vocal talon
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^ find a pin out diagram

surreal magnet
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i already said that

lofty pewter
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but is there one of the glacier?

scenic lance
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so uh phanteks sent me 2 replacement glass doors

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and it got me thinking

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could i send it in somewhere and have it engraved? how much would that put me out

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prolly gonna be too expensive for me but just wondering, seeing as at least one of yall has probably done it before

tender root
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@scenic lance just search for a engraver in your local area, then go and have a chat with them, the cost is generally a combination result of how much of their time you use and the time it takes their machine setup to do the work

haughty torrent
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guys how do check the mm fans i need for my case??

sacred latch
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check your cases spec sheet on their website

naive pilot
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How do I mount an EVGA power supply to a cooler masters case? Is there a bracket I can buy?

sacred latch
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? mine fit just fine

naive pilot
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It doesn’t fall out or anything it just sits loosely and can be a pain when reattaching the power cord.

sacred latch
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fully screwed in?

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what case?

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and psu?

naive pilot
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I believe it’s a cooler master master box lite with a EVGA 650 W. This is 2nd hand so my assumption is there was some sort of bracket originally that’s not there. There’s nothing for me to screw into.

sacred latch
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ah. yea that sounds like theres a bracket missing

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I have a H500M and its got a really actually anoying bracket that has large thumbscrew things that attach to the case

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not my favorite case design aspect

scenic lance
#

Does anyone know a lot a good matx case

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I was going to get the cooler master q300L but people say it’s a hot box

midnight dirge
#

any recommendations for a 1000w psu?

elfin trout
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Maybe HX Platnum

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or like hxi

midnight dirge
#

ok thank you

lofty pewter
#

nah

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Get the Antec High Currrent Pro Plat

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better

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@midnight dirge

midnight dirge
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Ok

lofty pewter
#

one of the best PSUs on the market, quality wise

elfin trout
#

Thats great too, possibly even better

midnight dirge
#

is it worth the 1300watt?

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or just the 1000

#

i have enough for both

elfin trout
#

What are you doing that needs 1000w actually?

midnight dirge
#

my graphics card

elfin trout
#

What?

lofty pewter
#

so SLI?

elfin trout
#

Are you running like Dual CPU and SLI or smth?

midnight dirge
#

i was told to upgrade my psu cause my graphics card wasn’t running fast

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no not sli

elfin trout
#

(A single GPU doesn't get anywhere near 1000w lol)

lofty pewter
#

what CPU and GPU?

elfin trout
#

PSU doesn't affect how your GPU runs..?

midnight dirge
#

i7 8700k and rtx 2070

elfin trout
#

Also whats your current PSU?

midnight dirge
#

it gets really grant

#

framed

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frame ya

#

framey

#

i have 550 watt

elfin trout
#

exact model?

midnight dirge
#

lemme grab

elfin trout
#

550w is all you need, but maybe somehow theres an issue with it? not sure

lofty pewter
#

That's like 150w CPU + 225w GPU + 70w rest of system

midnight dirge
#

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MthRK4

CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($379.99 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($65.61 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF Z370 Pro Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($170.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($77.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($34.65 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB GAMING 8G Video Card ($749.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake Tower 900 Snow Edition ATX Full Tower Case ($289.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($104.51 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.85 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan ($21.95 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan ($21.95 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan ($21.95 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan ($21.95 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan ($21.95 @ Amazon)
Headphones: SteelSeries Siberia 350 (White/Black) 7.1 Channel Headset ($86.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2298.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-05 10:13 EST-0500

lofty pewter
#

Unless you PSU is defective that's good enough

midnight dirge
#

Well my graphics card can barely handle a game at 60hz

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and that’s a problem

elfin trout
#

TXM gold is good, that prob means GPU issue

lofty pewter
#

on RTX?

midnight dirge
#

no rtx

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it’s dead by daylight. and i don’t think they have rtx for that

elfin trout
#

Thats a GPU issue not PSU issue afaik

midnight dirge
#

alright

lofty pewter
#

what is the issue, exactly?

elfin trout
#

(not enough frames afaik)

lofty pewter
#

lots of frame drops or just low average

midnight dirge
#

it gets 100% load on the loading screen, and gets very frame drop in game

elfin trout
#

Loading time is all about the storage

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Frame drops idk, hei?

midnight dirge
#

it’s not loading time, it’s the gpu load

somber python
#

I'm looking for a budget ATX mid tower, what are some good options?

elfin trout
#

OHHH sorry I didnt understand you sorry

midnight dirge
#

yeah

lofty pewter
#

100% utilization on loading screen?

midnight dirge
#

i mean i should be able to run the game just fine considering there’s no rtx

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like 97%

lofty pewter
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can happen, probs no frame cap on loading screen

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so it'll be like 1000fps

elfin trout
#

What about frame drops.

midnight dirge
#

Ah, well what about the in game frame drops

lofty pewter
#

what is CPU and GPU utilization when playing

midnight dirge
#

I’ll have to check when i get home, i’m in school lunch atm

elfin trout
#

Oh yea hei, 1% lows and avg frames are dependant on both CPU and GPU or is it like 1% lows are caused by CPU or smth?

midnight dirge
#

i don’t understand

elfin trout
#

(asking hei)

lofty pewter
#

maybe, how much is it dropping

midnight dirge
#

i’ll have to check that too, i dont have an fps counter i just feel it

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it’s like 45-50 if i were to guess

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and i wanted to stream the game but if this happens i will not be able to

lofty pewter
#

It also could just need some Nvidia settings tweaking. I know for GTA V as an example, you need to goto Nvidia Control Panel to turn off things like shader cache, pre render fames to 1, some other thing, depending on your machine

surreal magnet
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1% and .1% lows are completely GPU bound

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The CPU could effect it, but not by much

midnight dirge
#

Alright, could you help me with that once i get home?

lofty pewter
#

first gen ryzen on 2133 vs latest gen on 3600. Dont think that'd be a "small diff"

surreal magnet
#

Like, I remember looking at a comparison of the 2060 super and 1080 on the same CPU, and they pushed similar avg fps, but the lows on the 2060 were much worse than on the 1080.

lofty pewter
#

It is not completely bound to one or the other

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just simply both

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actually nvm

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a lot of other things too

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probs

surreal magnet
#

It's definitely more so the GPU, but yes the CPU has a say in things too

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Also game optimization

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For certain platforms

#

Also game optimization

#

?

#

Did it send that twice?

candid moth
#

Yes

surreal magnet
#

wtf....

lofty pewter
#

mee6, ban for duplicated text

surreal magnet
#

no

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noooooooo

midnight dirge
#

I’ll test some things when i get home

elfin trout
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Don't ban plz

lofty pewter
#

yeah, best to test things out

midnight dirge
#

alright, i’ll report what i find

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alright i’m getting 80fps on home screen with 98% load on gpu and 39% on cpu

candid moth
#

Damg

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Specs?

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Dang*

elfin trout
#

the hecc is that software?

#

do you have other random stuff running in the background?

candid moth
#

He has a news article

#

It says ryzen 4000

midnight dirge
#

only things like discord, and spotify

elfin trout
#

What is that software you're using??

#

for usage?

midnight dirge
#

CAM

elfin trout
#

Because you could use Task Manager

midnight dirge
#

It was for my old case

elfin trout
#

that is just what I feel is easy

candid moth
#

But what specs

midnight dirge
#

i7-8700k and rtx 2070

candid moth
#

Ultra settings?

midnight dirge
#

yeah

#

on title screen

candid moth
#

Woah

midnight dirge
#

it’s a problem for me

candid moth
#

Thats a huge bottleneck for your CPU

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Its not good enough for home screen

elfin trout
#

In-game is what matters

midnight dirge
#

yeah, i get some frame drops

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and i can’t stream whatsoever

candid moth
#

Whats the 1% lows? Probably like 2 fps

pliant bridge
#

sad

midnight dirge
#

what do you mean 1% lows?

pliant bridge
#

8th gen seems nice to have

candid moth
#

Hey your core2duo is amazing

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I have a Pentium rn

midnight dirge
#

so my processor isn’t good enough for my gpu what do you mean bottleneck

candid moth
#

Im kidding

midnight dirge
#

oh

candid moth
#

That cpu is fine

warped mauve
#

there shouldn't be a bottleneck

candid moth
#

I know

midnight dirge
#

i’m getting 87fps on title screen with 98% usage

warped mauve
#

which game?

elfin trout
#

what about in game

midnight dirge
#

dead by daylight

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i’d have to check in game

candid moth
#

Oh....

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Resolution?

midnight dirge
#

2k

candid moth
#

Oh ok good

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If that was 1080p id be worried

elfin trout
#

oh wait that might be why

#

so its running normally then

midnight dirge
#

well i should be able to run 2k fine

#

with my 2070

warped mauve
#

when you stream what is your output resolution?

midnight dirge
#

720p

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30fps

candid moth
#

It is kinda weird though, a 2070 shouldnt be at 95% usage in a title screen

midnight dirge
#

exactly

warped mauve
#

hmmmm....

candid moth
#

Is it super overclocked?

#

Wait

midnight dirge
#

not overclocked at all i don’t think ok

elfin trout
#

What about in game...

distant jetty
#

I have a Phanteks p400s any other case that i should look into or is this a good case

#

it gets hot easily

candid moth
#

P400A

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Same design, mesh front panel and 4 included fans

#

@distant jetty

distant jetty
#

@candid moth Thanks! Im probably just gonna buy the mesh front serpetatly

candid moth
#

Oh yeah you can do that

distant jetty
#

anyone else have any other case suggestions?

minor portalBOT
#
Ms. Kitty#8008 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

distant jetty
#

My bad

#

Holy dang

#

Phanteks amp has outdone themselves

candid moth
#

In what way?

distant jetty
#

The cables came in a nice quality bag and so did the powersupply. The cables are great quality and organized. Super quiet

candid moth
#

Phew good

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I just ordered one xD

distant jetty
#

Plus it came with plenty zipties and straps

candid moth
#

Are the cables nice looking?

#

Its hard to tell in pictures

distant jetty
candid moth
#

Oh wow

#

Those are very nice

distant jetty
#

Yeah I got my 750w gold amp for only 90 dollars

candid moth
#

Same

distant jetty
#

Nice

candid moth
#

I hope

#

What are your specs?

distant jetty
#

1070ti ryzen 5 2600

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16gb ram 2666

candid moth
#

Is there a reason youre getting a new psu? Or is it a whole new build

distant jetty
#

My current one is trash

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600w white Tier

candid moth
#

White?

#

Silver maybe?

distant jetty
#

No its white

#

White, bronze, gold

candid moth
#

No

#

It goes 80+,80+ bronze, 80+ silver(discontinued pretty much),80+ gold,80+ titanium,80+platinum

abstract rover
#

what would be a good psu to have i have a ryzen 72700x and a gtx 1660 super

distant jetty
#

Oh I thought it was white

#

White certified

vocal talon
#

iirc white is between 80+ and 80+ bronze

candid moth
#

Oh

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Never knew that existed

distant jetty
#

White is nasty

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It did my pc best

#

**nasty

vocal talon
#

its not very popular/common

lofty pewter
#

I mean not only that, but white PSUs just tend to be low quality (like TT Smart, bad PSU)

spark crow
#

What about evga BQ?

lofty pewter
#

poor quality

spark crow
#

Oof

lofty pewter
#

It'll work for most people. But can have issues (can) with even mid end hardware

spark crow
#

What is one you would recommend for a 550-600w?

#

This is the one I was looking at.

#

80+ bronze

lofty pewter
#

Corsair CX

#

much better then that PSU

distant jetty
#

@lofty pewter man I love my amp series so much

#

Great price and great quality

#

Still looking to buy a new case in the future

lofty pewter
#

nice

pulsar remnant
#

my PSU got fried

vague hatch
#

Yikes

#

My psu just shows its age, having some of the connections not functioning or are outright broken. At least it stills works though

scenic lance
#

with the rebate also

ruby dock
#

Hey guys, I need a psu with at least 1600 watts and has an extra 4 Pin atx. I am using pc part picker and the only psu I can find is an Enermax MAXREVO 1800 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply and looked online and has bad reviews. Any recommendations?

#

But I dont know if it is compatible with it

surreal magnet
#

tf are you dooin with that many watts???

ruby dock
#

@surreal magnet it's not my build lol got a customer that wants a super computer even tho I recommended something a lot cheaper but he is stubborn. I never really ran into this before but he is wanting to run 2080ti 2 way sli which I know can take up a lot of watts especially with a amd threadripper

surreal magnet
#

which threadripper

#

lets say he is ocing the heck out of a 2080ti

#

350W

#

x2

elfin trout
#

you prob only need 1200w, like 400 per gpu, 300 for cpu max

surreal magnet
#

plus a 225w cpu

ruby dock
#

AMD 3970x

surreal magnet
#

1200

#

yeah, what mr1111

elfin trout
#

that cpu is 280w.

#

2080ti is like near 300 full load, but just to give it a bit of extra breathing room

surreal magnet
#

350

elfin trout
#

1200w is more than enough

surreal magnet
#

^

ruby dock
#

Hmm I just thought if he wanted to overclock it, it may needed min 1600 , would a 1300 watt do?

#

1200*

surreal magnet
#

we assumed overclock

elfin trout
#

yea

surreal magnet
#

so its already factored in, 1200W

#

is ideal

elfin trout
#

400w is a 50w increase from 350w

#

400*2+300+70=1170w max

surreal magnet
#

and thats being generous

elfin trout
#

Hei did some calculations and found 70w as a good place for everything else usually

#

yea

#

overclocking usually would be like +20w like max

ruby dock
#

Ok sounds good , I started my own business recently doing these type of stuff, helping customers with builds but I tell ya, people just want to have everything and it's not necessary lol

surreal magnet
#

yeah, tf is he doing with a 3970x?

#

i swear if hes gaming

#

gonna

#

throw hands

ruby dock
#

Well he did say he was going to be gaming but mostly video editing and photoshopped since he is a graphics designer and video editor

surreal magnet
#

eh, ok thats justifyable

ruby dock
#

To me the 3950x would of been good

#

Ryzen

surreal magnet
#

yeah, i was just about to say

#

cheaper mobo

elfin trout
#

one day, I would start a pc building business if I can

surreal magnet
#

way lower power consumption

ruby dock
#

I cant change their mind lol

#

I can only suggest

elfin trout
#

Well

surreal magnet
#

i mean, tbh, he might actually need all 24c

elfin trout
#

at least they arn't asking for waiting and 3990x

surreal magnet
#

or is it 32

ruby dock
#

@elfin trout it's super hard to begin. It's a lot of networking and growing pains

elfin trout
#

32c 64t

#

is 3970x

surreal magnet
#

ahh thx

elfin trout
#

Ah interesting

ruby dock
#

I think its 32

surreal magnet
#

yeah, because the 3960x is 24

#

and theres no inbetween

elfin trout
surreal magnet
#

yeah there is

#

and its overpriced on newegg rn

ruby dock
#

AMD is killing intel this year

elfin trout
#

never knew that bc I dont look into intel at all

vocal talon
#

@elfin trout yeah its hella old

ruby dock
#

I cannot find a pcu that has 2 eps 8 pin and 1 atx 4 pin with a good brand. Again, I never really dealt with this issue. The mobo is a Asus zenith and has an extra pin.

elfin trout
#

atx 4pin?

#

I'm confused

#

unless Im reading this wrong

#

wait I think Im remembering wrong

surreal magnet
#

so you need 2 8 pins and 1 4 pin?

#

i only see 2 8pins

ruby dock
#

Note:The Asus Zenith II Extreme EATX sTRX4 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the Corsair HX Platinum 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.

surreal magnet
#

hmm

ruby dock
#

I should just quit my business lmao jk. That's what I get on pcpartpicker

surreal magnet
#

if your running a business, you shouldnt be using pcpp

#

pcpp is for communicating a generic build to anon technical person

elfin trout
#

then what should they use?

surreal magnet
#

after that, you should be on amazon, newegg, outlet pc, etc

#

pcpp is not exhaustive

#

at all

ruby dock
#

Noted lol

surreal magnet
#

my 850w psu has 3 8 pin connectors

#

i cant see how that 1200w one does not.

elfin trout
#

I'm quite confused why theres 2x8 then a 1x6

#

am I forgetting something

surreal magnet
#

from what i see, you have 6 8 pin connectors available

elfin trout
#

OH WAIT

#

2x8 is for CPU

surreal magnet
#

on the psu to be used by pcie and cpu aux

elfin trout
#

1x6 mobo

#

xDDDDD

surreal magnet
#

you may need to purchase extra psu cables

vocal talon
#

found one

elfin trout
#

I'm a dummy

vocal talon
surreal magnet
vocal talon
#

2 EPS 8 pin + 4 pin ATX

ruby dock
#

@vocal talon heard a lot of bad stuff from friends on that brand

surreal magnet
#

that pic above is the available connectors on the 1200w corsair hx one

vocal talon
#

yeah i just read some

#

lot of rma'ing

elfin trout
#

Enerimax not ranked on psu tier list :p

ruby dock
#

@surreal magnet looks like it's good for this build then.

surreal magnet
#

yeah, you just have to get extra cables

ruby dock
#

Gotcha

elfin trout
#

You know sassy, if I ever do a pc building business, Im likely gonna use pcpp

surreal magnet
#

it doesnt show you all your options

elfin trout
#

I'll check over specs using manufacturers page but I'll organise it in pcpp

surreal magnet
#

its perfect for communication

ruby dock
#

I do this as a part time business lol while I have a full time job

elfin trout
#

yea idk why bloody NH-D15 se-am4 wasn't on pcpp

#

wasnt listed

#

but thats a great cooler

surreal magnet
#

basically, when it comes time to actually order that parts is when you dont use pcpp

elfin trout
#

yea

#

I bought over newegg mostly

surreal magnet
#

but using it for most other things is fine

ruby dock
#

I see @surreal magnet point too. Sometimes there isnt a lot to choose from when it comes to brands and components.

#

I typically use it just to double check I'm not being stupid

surreal magnet
#

yeh

ruby dock
#

This build (although somewhat unnecessary) is gonna look gorgeous

elfin trout
#

That sounds great!

surreal magnet
#

^^

elfin trout
#

Aight good night sassy and droxy

surreal magnet
#

gn

#

i do school work now lmao

ruby dock
#

@elfin trout will do! Have a goodnight!

#

Lol

muted snow
#

Hello, I am new to building, and recently inherited two sort of frankenstien computers, and would like to know how to identify the cases as a start.

#

is there any place on the case itself i could usually look to find the model?

tender root
#

if you are lucky, there is a sticker on the bottom

muted snow
#

the coolermaster branded one only has a serial number and a warranty void if removed sticker on the power

#

neither does the raidmaster

tender root
#

the serial number should be possible to use for tracing what case it is

#

and posting permissions is something i am trying to get fixed for you :)

#

but until then, you can just post them in a pm to me

muted snow
#

sent

hasty delta
#

I think the new rule is users have to reach lvl 3 to post images.

#

Perhaps box or Mike can confirm that.

restive frost
#

Confirmed

neon granite
#

IDK why, but i like my secondary PC's Antec Solo case

tender root
#

That was back when they did interesting cases (antec that is)

neon granite
#

It's a shame that i am missing all of the HDD sleds for it

#

except for the 5.25 to 3.5 one that would have the Floppy/something else installed in it

tender root
#

you should be able to get those sleds from ebay

#

those cases last forever

neon granite
#

Eh, ebay isn't really easily accessible from Finland

tender root
#

local variant then?

neon granite
#

No local variants, either Aliexpress or similar. Ebay is too difficult to work with

#

Well there are local used parts marketplaces, but they don't really sell case pieces

tender root
#

no no, not the case pieces by themselves. what you are looking for is that one guy that has a BUNCH of different cases

#

there is a good chance he has some of those cages also

brittle vine
#

hey everyone, good morning and a very happy / fun Sunday to you all. I am looking for a quiet/silent 650W PSU to replace in my PC. My buddy told me to get corsair, but this PSU calculator online recommended an EVGA.. which is quieter?

plucky bough
#

There are a few EVGA and Corsair PSUs, what PSUs are we talking about ? @brittle vine

#

Thanks, happy Sunday to you too 🙂

brittle vine
#

650W PSU, anyone that is QUIET/silent

#

I produce music/DJ, so a quiet PC is my #1 priority

plucky bough
#

Do you have a particular budget for the PSU ?

brittle vine
#

$150 canadian but would prefer paying less

plucky bough
#

Are you sure you need 650W ?

brittle vine
#

yes, used a PSU calculator

#

i have 3 Sata Drives, 1 SSD, 8core AMD CPU, 1 Blueray Drive and 2x8 GB DDR3 ram

#

and an AMD R9-280X video card

plucky bough
#

I personally think around 600 (even less) would be enough but let's say 650W for safety

#

Corsair RM(x) have good fans (I heard), and EVGA G3 also. You could double check with other members from the server though

brittle vine
#

yes, its between the Corsair RM(x) and the EVGA G3.. which is quieter?

plucky bough
#

Plus they would deliver clean and safe power to your PC which is preferable too

#

I'm afraid you should wait for another person to answer. My bad, I don't know much about PSUs.

brittle vine
#

i have all day, going to stay here and wait, price wise the G3 is about 40 Canadian cheaper

plucky bough
#

Alright then. I wish you the best of luck. Have a nice Sunday !

brittle vine
#

thank you EL Bobo, same to you my new discord amigo

candid moth
#

@brittle vine bequiet has some quiet ones

brittle vine
#

Thank you @candid moth

lofty pewter
#

@brittle vine Okay so a few things. PSU calculators are generally wrong and over estimate by a lot. G3 is also much worse then RMx in terms of quality. Mainly protections wise

#

a 550w can last someone with a 3700x and 2080Ti with one SSD and one HDD

#

and your PC takes less wattage
Also RMx is cheaper

sage spoke
#

Can anyone suggest a roomy glassless cases with ample fans front and side? Phanteks Enthoo Pro almost fits the bill but there are no side fans.

candid moth
#

Then buy some for it

scenic lance
#

rosewill has good bugdget cases with a lot of fans in them

#

I use the Night Hawk 117, it came with 5 pre installed fans and it was like 80 bucks

river palm
#

I has question

tender root
#

ask

river palm
#

Is the EVGA 600w BR good enough for the Ryzen 5 3600 and RX 5700?

tender root
#

i dont know.

river palm
#

K

tender root
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hm, based on the LTT tier list, i would not recommend it

river palm
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K Imma return it then

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Thank you

tender root
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you are very welcome @river palm

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what budget do you have for a psu?

river palm
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Hm

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60-70

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60

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preferred

tender root
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2sec

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what kind of system are you trying to power @river palm ?

river palm
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Specs?

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Or the purpose of the build

tender root
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specs please :)

river palm
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K

tender root
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or are you in the general process of getting a build together?

river palm
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Ryzen 5 3600
RX 5700
16gb 3600mhx RAM
2tb HDD
500gb M.2 SSD
MSI B450 Tomahawk max

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@tender root ye Im buying parts little by little

tender root
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okay

candid moth
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Cxm bronze?

tender root
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this psu is not a modular one, but it will work for it

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there is the 650w version for 10usd more

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for further suggestions, have a talk with @lofty pewter @river palm

river palm
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I feel like 650 is a bit overkill

tender root
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technically it is

candid moth
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But, it could be useful later

river palm
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exactly

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which is my plan

tender root
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however, this end of the budget is something that Hei is more interested in vs myself :)

river palm
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is it too low for you

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sniff sniff

tender root
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i just know what i dont know :)

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and it would be unfair to burden you with my lack of knowledge in this area

lofty pewter
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CX is still a decent choice, still the best of the cheap side afaik

tender root
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look up a bit Hei for budget etc

lofty pewter
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CXM is alright. It does have coil whine issues so unless you really want that semi modular for cheap and dont care about noise, then sure?

river palm
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I dont really mind modular or not

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What difference does it make? I know you can remove the cables but

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Modding purposes only?

tender root
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it is convenience when building

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(for the kind of build you are doing that is)

river palm
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So Semi Modular is semi convinient

tender root
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yes

river palm
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nice

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@lofty pewter a lot of people talk smack of the CXM series

tender root
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modular is beloved by people that build in tiny cases or people that build a LOT of systems

river palm
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K

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well mines Mid tower

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i think

tender root
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you have a atx mainboard right?

lofty pewter
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I mean, first gen CXM was horrible. Second gen almost got everything right. But coil whine was an issue. So while it is good in performance it sucks in noise

river palm
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Ye full ATX

lofty pewter
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So CXM has never really had a fun time

tender root
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full atx = not a small build :)

vocal talon
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can confirm the cxm coil whine is ass

river palm
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ah shoot

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I wonder if the turbines on my pc case will suppress the noise though.

tender root
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coil whine in general "cuts" through anything

river palm
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tf

lofty pewter
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Eh, high pitch is much more noticeable

vocal talon
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its pretty high pitched

river palm
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Shoot

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But is a defective thing or no matter what its gonna happen?

vocal talon
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some units more than others, but should be pretty consistant

tender root
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imo, not worth rolling the dice on

river palm
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yea

scenic lance
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Oi

candid moth
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@scenic lance budget

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And what hardware

scenic lance
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For the power supply?

candid moth
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Yes

scenic lance
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I3-9100f

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B365

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16gb ram

candid moth
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Gpu?

scenic lance
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Getting a rx580

candid moth
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Ok

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Wht budget

scenic lance
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50$

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For psu

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Just spent 40$ on 16gb ram

candid moth
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Mk

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Idk sorry

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@lofty pewter does

scenic lance
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Bruh

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Lol

candid moth
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Idk mhch about low cost cpus

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Look at the ltt tier list

scenic lance
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No

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Powersupply

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Lol

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Is all I need

candid moth
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Oh yeah

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Psus

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Is wht I meant

scenic lance
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This one good?

tender root
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if you want to end up with a bunch of fried electronics? sure

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you are trying to save money on the heart of your machine

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that is imo, not very smart

indigo relic
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Never skimp on the psu

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If it decides it wants to die it might take your machine with it. Then you’ll be out hundreds

sacred latch
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as I said earlier. Saving 20.30. 50 bucks on something that could cost you 3-6 hundred in a failure is not a great risk to cost ratio

lofty pewter
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@scenic lance nope. That PSU cant even handle full load without failing. Luckily not a full on explosion. But still burnt electronics. Any PSU failure like this can mean voltages/amperage going whack and thus frying the PC. It also has a ton of amp on the 5v rail, which makes me feel like it's group regulated. Also a bad no no.

fluid flower
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what's a good psu for cheap?

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i constantly see the corsair cx (2017) being recommended but it's kinda pricey

tender root
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look at the last picture that was linked

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and then read down from there

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that tells you all that you really need to know [edit:know]

fluid flower
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ok sorry

tender root
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nothing to be sorry about :)

fluid flower
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but like are there not cheap, good, reliable psus?

tender root
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yes, the cx

fluid flower
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$70 for 550w

fluid flower
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and when there was the mir newegg sucks with them, no?

tender root
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have a look at the price history graph

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no idea about MIR

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not something we do here in denmark

fluid flower
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so you think i should wait?

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if i wait and don't test the parts within 29 days, i have no guarantee of rma or doas

tender root
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your choice

fluid flower
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how's a bq vs a cx?

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if cx is really that much better i can wait

tender root
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cx

fluid flower
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damn

tacit wren
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Damn, that's disappointing, what psu would give me said "full explosion" upon overload/failure? RGB explosion cost extra?

vocal tree
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Oh no

faint solstice
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What do you guys think of the Corsair CV PSUs? They seem pretty new as I can't find any reviews for them online

lethal fractal
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how many watts do i need for a 3600 and a gtx 1070?

plucky bough
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500 is plenty if you don’t OC and don’t have too many drives / other power consuming items. I would still get 550W for safety @lethal fractal

lethal fractal
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i am looking for a sfx psu

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i have 16gb of ram a pcie gen 4 ssd and a hdd

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is the tu150 any good?

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@plucky bough

plucky bough
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I really don't know much about SFX PSUs. I'm afraid you'll have to wait for someone else to answer, sorry.

brittle vine
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which is the fastest/best version of the 580 RX to get?

plucky bough
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Aorus XTR, Aorus, Strix, Red Devil (Golden Sample), nitro + (SE) @brittle vine

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Compare clocks, looks, prices... but those should have a good PCB with good coolers

light wyvern
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Where can I buy the mesh white td500 early

candid moth
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@light wyvern probably nowhere..... just wait longer

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If looking for a white case there are plenty of good options

light wyvern
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Can you send me some by any chance @candid moth around the price range or cheaper that’s not the h500