cases-psu-and-cooling

[fallow basin]

its cheap its just a bendy pipe to connect the filament out of the dryer to the in on the printer

since part of the filament will be exposed while printing

blue thingy

cause you can only move the dryer output so close to the printer output

it will also allow you to orient your dryer anywhere you like since the area the filament is pulled is where the tube is set

https://www.amazon.com/16-4ft-PTFE-Teflon-1-75mm-Filament/dp/B0F5HK1F3S/ref=sr_1_5 like this

i gotta go for the night

ping me with more questions or dm me

[bleak holly]

Just bought the Corsair SF1000.

[bleak holly]

Should I be concerned about my cooler becoming discolored like this? Also on the corner of one side when rubbed with Alcohol it stained the paper yellow.

@languid topaz @wide parrot @fallow basin @viscid patrol @subtle lodge @tawny oxide @mild roost

I have never seen this happen to a cooler before.

[fallow basin]

looks like oxidation

some very fine grain sand paper might buff it off

[bleak holly]

Gotcha

[bleak holly]

Does the oxidation affect conductivity?

[fallow basin]

probably not too much

as long as the center of the copper is still copper

imo it looks fine to just scrub and put back on

[bleak holly]

@fallow basin

Tried to minimize shadows

[fallow basin]

looks ok

[bleak holly]

Gotcha

And some fine +1000 grit sandpaper should buff it as well?

[tame cape]

I wouldn't use sandpaper on it, it's probably gonna expose more copper and remove any coatings. would probably oxidize even more after some time

[bleak holly]

Hmm noted. How long do you think till the cooler starts performing worse?

[tame cape]

likely days, it won't cause a noticeable temp difference

[trim crest]

I wouldn't try to sand it either. Those aren't actually scratches right? It's still smoothe?

[bleak holly]

Those are scratches

Very small ones but scratches none the less

[tame cape]

when it oxidizes it's just gonna look ugly and probably turn brown or blueish

main concern with sanding would be that if you scratch too much off the surface could become uneven

[bleak holly]

Gotcha

What if I set the sand paper on a flat surface first?

[wide parrot]

I wouldn't sand it. I imagine the roughness you introduce is worse than a little oxidation

If you were to sand it you'd want a polishing kit too

[bleak holly]

Gotcha. The sanding suggestion was because of the scratches in the cold plate.

@wide parrot is it fine to wipe down my computer contacts with 100% medical alcohol to clean them?

[wide parrot]

Yes

[bleak holly]

I imagine it's the same as Isopropyl Alcohol

[wide parrot]

Anything over 70% works

[bleak holly]

Good to know

[viscid patrol]

pure solvents are best to leave as little residue as possible

[bleak holly]

Do I need to connect the motherboard standoffs in a 3d printed case to a ground plane such as the feet on my psu or is the 24pin motherboard connector enough?

[wide parrot]

I would assume no? Because it's fine to run a motherboard just sitting on the box

[bleak holly]

wondering if I should use brass or nylon standoffs and whether or not I actually need those standsoffs instead of just 3D Printing a standoff and putting a brass insert into it so any M3 screw can fit.

I am designing a custom case

[bleak holly]

I decided that I will print the motherboard standoffs onto the case panel and use some threaded heat inserts inside the standoffs to save some money and so the standoff is the same color as the computer case.

If there are any issues with this approach please let me know, the print material is PETG and the threaded insert will be 1mm below the head of the standoff to prevent any risk of shorting the board due to its diameter and I will be using zinc coated steel M3 bolts to mount the board onto the standoffs.

[tame cape]

normally standoffs allow any esd to travel the shortest path to gnd, without grounded standoff any extra charge travels through the mb to the cpu eps or 24pin gnd (potentially being more harmful) but there really isn't much to worry about on modern mobos

[tame cape]

printed standoff + insert is probably the best choice, gives it more strength

that's what I went for on my custom 3d printable case, still need to print it tho

[bleak holly]

Thank you for responding. I'd love to learn about what you're planning for your case. I am still in the process of drafting my design. I am trying to keep it within 40 linear inches and doing it with two chambers so the rear chamber will house all the rads, pumps, etc. I am currently at 40.4 linear inches.

[tame cape]

I'm making a case for my itx server with space for 8 thicc 2.5" sas drives. got it down to 28×28×9cm so I can print it in one piece + side panel

I've been busy lately so I'm not working on it atm. I'll refine the 3d model and print it soon

[bleak holly]

I see, I am designing a compact case that will house a vertical (to save space) 4 slot gpu, mATX board, sfx psu, fan hub, top and bottom 120m by 25mm thick fans, and be long enough to horizontally mount a push/pull 64mm thick 360 rad in the cooling chamber with space for pumps, drives, etc.

[tame cape]

nice. I was also working on another sff case two years ago but I have yet to complete the project 😂

[bleak holly]

What software do you recommend for making the 3D models and drafting a design?

Also, I was planning on using PETG, do you think that's up to the task?

[tame cape]

autodesk fusion it's a solid choice. easy to learn and use

[tame cape]

yes, probably the best choice

pla might soften with the heat

[bleak holly]

400w gpu that's being air cooled

if that helps decide

[tame cape]

Definitely petg

[bleak holly]

Is there any noticeable strength difference between PETG and Fast PETG? Fast PETG is cheaper for me to purchase.

[bleak holly]

Just received the Corsair SF1000 PSU! And damn this thing weights more than a solid brick 🧱.

[wooden silo]

whats better, a 120mm fan or 140mm one?

is a 140mm worth?

[bleak holly]

140 can move more air than an 120 but generally has less static pressure due to a slower RPM.

[wooden silo]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DQPRVD4C?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&language=en_US

can fit 9 140mm so far, got one radiator that I don't intend to change it's fans

so I guess 6 140mm fans and one 120mm is fine?

or is 7 120mm fans just fine?

[bleak holly]

go for maximum airflow and static pressure where needed

or for consistent noise profile, ensure all fans are the same

[wooden silo]

bet

[subtle lodge]

Noise profile and especially harmonic resonance is not talked about much

Most fans are made very similar to each other, which means they can all create resonant frequencies when running at the same rpm

Noctua makes sure that their fans are a little different to avoid that, but you can do it yourself by setting slightly different speeds for your fans

[bleak holly]

@subtle lodge you got a sec? I'd like to run some dimensions by you for my case idea.

[ember mesa]

Question for people smarter than myself. I am looking to swap out my pc cooling fan to a liquid cooled option. I have an Intel i7-14700F. When looking through the site I am not seeing it listed in the descriptions as compatible.

What should I be looking for to make sure it is compatible with my processor? This is one I was looking at. https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-liquid-cooling-system-masterliquid-240l-core-argb-277-mm-black/p/N82E16835103353

[tulip depot]

what case do you have

[elfin trout]

I wouldn't recommend that aio, but what matters in terms of compatibility with the CPU is the socket, which is LGA1700 for the 14700f that you have.

[tulip depot]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F8BGJGKQ?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&language=en_US i would recommend this if your case can fit it

[bleak holly]

Does anyone know how much power the Corsair SF1000 can handle before tripping? I am trying to account for total power draw if both my gpus experience a transient spike.

[trim crest]

Corsair SF1000 ATX v3.1 PSU Review - Page 8 of 11 - Hardware Busters https://share.google/cNaL4xcpmxI3gGPYr

[bleak holly]

Once again, thank you for your help.

[lavish hull]

best air cooler for 9850x3d? i know the NH-D15 G2 is a good choice but its quite costly

[elfin trout]

There hasn't really been any new additions in the 'premium' air cooler segment considering you get 98% of the way there with a thermalright cooler that's half the price

[tawny oxide]

Thermalright coolers are literally unbeatable

Just get a peerless assassin for $20 and call it a day

[trim crest]

Phantom spirit is basically same price and performs a little better on am5.

[tawny oxide]

That too

[ember mesa]

Thanks for the info, I had to get a premade this time so it’s an Acer Nitro 60. Looks like it has room for 2 fans mounted above the motherboard. My last one had the exhaust out the back and the liquid cooled fans on the top. Is there a better way to do that?

[lavish hull]

i have the peerless assassin 120mm V2 1850rpm cooler

would it be better if i swapped the fans to arctic p12 pro?

[elfin trout]

Top mount is generally the best way to go, it'd be a good idea to try and figure out if you can only mount 240mm or if you can also do 280mm aios though

[elfin trout]

Most likely not by a noticeable amount

[lavish hull]

so basically the difference in cpu dual towers is the towers itself rather than the fans because each 120mm is marginally different?

[trim crest]

If you're cool spinning those p12 pros at 3000 rpm it's probably a measurable difference but if you don't want it to be stupid loud to shave off a couple C then I'd expect it's pointless.

[elfin trout]

There can be a big difference from bad fans to good fans, but at the end of the day, going from a good enough fan to a slightly better fan can be a measurable ~5% difference, but that's not worth buying a whole new fan for, even though it's something that's worth considering when you're in the market for a new cooler in general.

It's too hard to properly quantify fan performance in general too, especially with the relative lack of good data that can be used between different fans

But it's easier to test and have data for running one cooler versus another at full blast or noise normalized

[trim crest]

Different fans will interact with different heatsinks differently too. I rather doubt thermalright goes to the same perfectionist lengths as noctua but there is also a chance of going backwards switching to 'better' fans once you add the complexity of a fin stack.

[tawny oxide]

Although getting Noctua means spending 3x more for 5% more performance.

Not sure how that justifies getting their products, but still

[viscid patrol]

They also have a 6 year warranty that you would probably not ever need because of just how reliable they are

[tawny oxide]

I have never heard of an air cooler failing

[viscid patrol]

i meant their fans

air coolers (heatsinks) would probably never fail unless you cause it to rust or break it physically

[tawny oxide]

Yeah
But a replacement fan is cheap

In no sense is Noctua worth it imo

[elfin trout]

is a cool brand that may be worth supporting, but the value proposition doesn't really make sense

[elfin trout]

*As long as the design isn't faulty

[tawny oxide]

Yeah they’re not doing anything bad

But they overvalue their shit by 3-5x what it should be

[elfin trout]

3x-5x is a bit exaggerating, but they tend to have about a 100% premium on everything

$50 cooler -> $100 cooler

[trim crest]

I have noctua stuff because I actually like the color scheme. Maybe I would have painted dentist's offices in another life. They do charge a rather ridiculous premium now while only being slightly better or sometimes even not as good as cheaper options.

Wanting to spend money supporting the people doing the cool engineering and providing top class support is another reason to buy stuff like noctua or tg. I paid 5x for a tg contact frame instead of a thermalright one.

[elfin trout]

I did buy a nh d15 back when it did actually make some sense price wise, and I still have it

[trim crest]

I've had mine about 7 years and it was hyper 212 before that. There used to be nothing that really competed with it for quality.

[tawny oxide]

Now thermalright exists and just can’t be competed with for value

[elfin trout]

Le grand macho did always exist but it was just too wacky to make sense back then

[tawny oxide]

Yeah, had some funky install

[lavish hull]

any1 got 9850x3d fan curves with air cooler?

[trim crest]

That'll depend on your case, fans, usage, power target, uv, oc, and other stuff. And it's subjective anyway so it's more about personal preferences. As long as it's not overheating you're just balancing noise against watching number go down. I'd aim for <80C (which should be pretty easy) and other than that it won't matter much.

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz so I am designing my custom case, and currently Assuming I don't water block my case, I can install either a 480mm (up to 90mm thick with fans) or a 360 and 240 (up to 90mm thick with fans) for a waterloop and I am wondering which path to go.

Black: Fan Brackets
Blue: GPU (up to 4 slots thick)
Purple: 4x120mm fans with a 2.5mm gap between them.
Yellow: Motherboard PCB
Orange: PSU Cage
Gray: PSU (can fit SFX and SFX-L without issue)

[languid topaz]

I used to think multiple rads was better but just like super high flow rate, I don't think it makes a considerable difference

90mm thick is a hell of a rad

that's a lot of surface area to throw heat out

[bleak holly]

I can find 40, 45, and 64mm thick rads fairly easy here

Also how much of a difference do you think FPI makes along with additional water channels? Asking Because I can get an Alphacool HPE-45 420 rad very easily in my market.

[languid topaz]

more FPI is great as long as the fans can still force air through the rad. With a rad that thick, I'd think push/pull fans would actually make a difference but I always hear that's a waste of fans lol

but that thick & high FPI it might actually matter

honestly between 240+360 & 480, I don't think there'd be enough of a difference to base the decision off anything other than what works best for the setup in terms of everything fitting nicely

[tulip depot]

is the case designed for a full custom loop?

cause if it is, i feel like having 4 slots for the gpu is overkill (unless it doesnt impede on anything else)

[languid topaz]

is 4090 the biggest non-pro GPU? are there any 5-slot 4090s? is 5090 bigger? I forget

[tulip depot]

4 slots is right around the max

unless the noctua ones are bigger

ah ok

theres one 4090 model and the noctua 80 series models are more than 4 slots

everything else is less tho

[trim crest]

5080 noctua is full 4 slots.

[languid topaz]

damn that's massive lol

[viscid patrol]

they are using the full size 120mm fans after all (25mm?)

[trim crest]

Yeah they are just the regular 120x25 fans.

[viscid patrol]

3 slot gpus typically use fans specifically made for that cooler which is even slimmer than a slim fan (which is typically like 15mm)

[tulip depot]

bigger

from what i saw

[languid topaz]

damn with 4 slots, you could put two 2080tis with SLI with waterblocks lol

[trim crest]

20mm is a slot.

[languid topaz]

or NVLink or whatever it's called

[tulip depot]

the 4080 one is slightly bigger iirc

yeah 87.5mm

[trim crest]

It is thicker. The 4080 was a 2 fan so I thought it was smaller.

Beign fatter makes sense though.

[languid topaz]

damn that's like 5mm per 1gb of VRAM

[viscid patrol]

techpowerup says they measured 82mm, so technically 2mm larger than 4 slot

but 2mm is like nothing

[tulip depot]

ASUS themselves say 87.5mm

[viscid patrol]

2 fingernails thicker than 4 slots

[tulip depot]

and noctua

and techpowerup 😭

[trim crest]

2mm could be enough to interfere with the slot below it.

[bleak holly]

Just got back, sorry for the delayed response.

[languid topaz]

npnp

[viscid patrol]

asus says 80mm?
tehpowerup said 82mm
noctua site also says 80mm

[tulip depot]

4080, not 5080

[viscid patrol]

oh

[viscid patrol]

we were talking about the 5080 though

[bleak holly]

Air GPU + Waterblocked RAM and CPU though I do plan to waterblock the GPU down the line at which point I will setup two 480mm rads since my case supports that.

[tulip depot]

dang thats a lot

[viscid patrol]

based off of this msg at least

[tulip depot]

look after that

[bleak holly]

Push/Pull definitely helps even on not as thick rads. Dropped my temps by about 3c when my CPU was pulling 300w.

[viscid patrol]

i didn't look at anything under the screenshot which is why i missed that

[trim crest]

I might have started that confusion. I thought we were talking about biggest air coolers and the 5080 was the biggest one I've seen.

[viscid patrol]

ohh

[tulip depot]

the MSI RTX 4090 SUPRIM FUISON is the thickest gpu

almost 5 slots

[viscid patrol]

i mean, if you count somebody modding a gpu to add a cpu cooler to it, that would technically be the biggest lmao

[trim crest]

Oh the goofy aio built in one? Did they actually make that? I thought it was a tradeshow prototype thing.

[viscid patrol]

apparently it was ltt and oh my goodness gracious what is this abomination from 2 months ago

[tulip depot]

oh wait its like really late gn

[bleak holly]

Yeah my front panel currently supports two rads vertically mounted up to 530mm long by 160mm in width. Maximum depth on the top rack is 90mm, maximum depth on the bottom is 90mm, though if you use a 1 slot GPU that brings the 2nd rack down to 70mm in depth.

[viscid patrol]

how many slots would that cooler take up

[trim crest]

Roughly 8

[bleak holly]

Each GPU slot is 20mm deep

[viscid patrol]

that wasnt what i was referring to but that is also a huge case damn lmao

[bleak holly]

Actually smaller than most. I made it very compact (half the size of a Fractal Torrent and measures at 45 linear inches and sized to fit as a Carry-On for flights)

It is however very long as a result

[viscid patrol]

oh so it's more like a server blade

[bleak holly]

Kinda

[viscid patrol]

though much thicker than those

lmao

[bleak holly]

Same compact concept.

Just on a larger scale

Here are the dimensions.

@viscid patrol
L: 560mm
W: 230mm
H: 350mm

[viscid patrol]

approximately 16 slots 💀

[bleak holly]

How effect was it lmao?

[viscid patrol]

i forgot the name of the company thermalright so i took quite a long time to find the model of cooler to find the dimensions lmao

idk, i didn't watch the video

i'd assume not very lmao

[bleak holly]

lmao

this is starting to get packed

[viscid patrol]

(from that dual cpu heatsink on gpu video)

[bleak holly]

Two CPU coolers to accomplish what my Mercury card does with a 4 slot design...

[viscid patrol]

it's a 2060 with what originally was a 2 fan cooler

the thing about gpu coolers is that... well, they're typically designed for a higher heat load than cpus
most cpus are typically under 200 watts (for the typical cpu in a gaming system) while gpus typically are over that (for anything midrange or better at least)

[trim crest]

I'd assume their mounting system was less than ideal too. They do something better than zip ties? They have the shop for it.

[viscid patrol]

zip ties? you're funny
(they used elastic bands 💀)

they also used the thermal putty to space the cpu cooler from the.... capacitors? whatever is on the back so that it didn't short them

far from ideal

[trim crest]

How bad must that stock cooler have been if they dropped almost 30C with rubber bands.

[viscid patrol]

better than ventus™ but still what you'd expect from a 2060

it at least has dense fins

i don't think it has a heat pipe and i highly doubt it's a vapor chamber

oh it does have heat pipes

[trim crest]

That would have heat pipes. The ones that don't are just an extruded piece of aluminum with really thick fins.

[viscid patrol]

yeah they're just deeper in than i thought

decent cooler but ig 2060 was just hot?

or maybe old paste?

[trim crest]

2060 was almost 200W. Maybe even was 200W on some oc models.

[viscid patrol]

that's still not that much i feel

[trim crest]

The one I bought for my niece's graduation present pc was a single fan evga one from b-stock. I didn't relize it was that power hungry before I bought it.

It's a lot for a 60 card.

[viscid patrol]

true

i think the current 5060 is like 150 or smth

[trim crest]

Somewhere close to that. 4060 was lower like 120. 1060 I think was like 110.

[viscid patrol]

that's surprisingly high power draw on the 20 series then

was the rest of the lineup also higher than the previous and future gens as well? 🧐

[trim crest]

2070 was only 15W higher. 2080 was 215. 2080ti 250W. That's like a 5070.

[viscid patrol]

from my quick glance it looks like every 20 series generation of gpu were around the ballpark of 200 watts lmao
only the titan rtx was near 300

[trim crest]

30 series is where the top end started being really high again. Before that you'd have to go back to the 2x gpus to get a monster power draw like a 295x, what was nvidia doing back then?

[viscid patrol]

interesting trends in power draw ngl
maybe if i get bored enough i'll make a chart with all the gpus nvidia made and graph their max draw to see how they fluctuated

[trim crest]

Titan Z. I knew they had one, couldn't remember what it was called. 375W on that cooler.

[viscid patrol]

how did it even survive being a blower lmao

[trim crest]

That's an axial fan. I have no idea how that worked but I'm going to guess 'poorly'.

The radeon version was 500W but it had an aio attached.

[viscid patrol]

damn

[bleak holly]

Just bought a combo pack of Liquid Metal 130W/MK (5g) and Conformal Sheidl (5ml) from PolarTronix.

[subtle lodge]

For a 60 card it kinda is ngl

That means they pushed clocks hard on it

Like the 9060 xt

The 9060 has a board power of 132w and the xt having at least 160, with board partners going even higher

The one I had was 180w but it also did undervolt to 3.4 ghz

When I had an undervolt that was not 100% stable I have seen it go to 3.5

[bleak holly]

Impressive.

I haven't tried futsing with the core clock to much.

Also, I got the memory stable at 2900mhz and I am working on testing the stability of a -60mv undervolt.

[subtle lodge]

I don't like to either since the core clock is mainly influenced by the undervolt

You will really only benefit from the core clock offset when you aren't at 100% usage

I was not hitting 3.5 at 100% load on that card

That was with a frame rate cap

But core clock override can help when you are cpu limited, by how much I do not know

But when the gpu is waiting on the cpu, having a higher clock can help it render the frames it does get as fast as possible

Besides that it isn't much to care about

If anything it can probably get in your way because in lighter loads it can boost too high and be unstable

So it is better to undervolt first and then do clock offset later

I would rather have a lower undervolt for 100% load rather than a higher one with a higher clock offset for lighter loads

[bleak holly]

agreed.

@subtle lodge, mind if I pick your brain a lil?

So I pulled the trigger and bought some 130W/mk Liquid Metal and conformal combo from PolarTronix. I am going to apply that to my cpu but I am debating applying it to the 9070xt mercury to try and drop temps further. It uses PTM7950 and well I am not sure if I can just remount the cooler with the PTM that was there or if I need to add fresh PTM.

[subtle lodge]

I don’t know if it will rip like pads, depends on how much it was used maybe

I have seen it stay intact and also not

But as long as it mostly stays then it should be fine, because it will liquefy again anyways

Then solidify again

I guess you’ll only be able to tell once you see temps afterwards, and how good/bad it is when opened up

[bleak holly]

Damn alright xD.

Sounds like I shouldn't try it till I am prepared to replace everything.

[hidden void]

Does anyone have recommendations for a decent aio and case fan combo. I want them to be white and have rgb and preferably match. I’m currently looking at some thermalright ones. I want the aio to be under 100 if possible

[trim crest]

If you want cheap and decent I'd also be looking at thermalright. Most of their aios are in the 50-100 range. I think just the tryx knockoffs with the big screen are more than that so I'm not sure what you mean.

[hidden void]

I meant like recommendations for any aio of any brand that would maybe be better aesthetics wise or whatever

[tawny oxide]

Thermalright

Anything from there

[trim crest]

There is only a little difference between brands. Unless you're trying to cool an i7, i9 or r9 I'd just pick the one you like the look of.

[bleak holly]

My Liquid Metal and conformal coat will be arriving today.

[bleak holly]

<@&525119001324683264> @trim crest @fallow basin

Long story short, I no longer need my current PC case and I am thinking of putting the motherboard on top of the box it came with as an open bench setup till my case is made in a couple of weeks. Will this hurt the hardware in anyway?

My power switches and etc are all here

[fallow basin]

Nah that’s safe

[sharp fox]

That’s fine

[bleak holly]

Good to know.

So to double confirm it's fine to use the motherboard with it directly on top of the box it came with?

Will be like this for a week or two

[lofty pewter]

If you put on GPU or PSU cables or smth and you do it on the box, you might force some tiny component (smd or solder joint) into the box. That's fine, just take note of it so that you don't pull the mobo sideways and then put strain on said tiny component if you haven't lifted it from the box

But yeah, overall pretty safe. Kinda hard to cause damage

[bleak holly]

Gotcha, I didn't even think of this. Thank you.

Looking forward to not dealing with this

None if the panels fit and the feet are broken so it's been forced to be laid flat for almost 4 months now

[bleak holly]

Would some motherboard standoffs help?

I can place them then press the threaded screw part of the standoff into a cardboard box to maybe give some extra grip

[viscid patrol]

Unnecessary

[trim crest]

Just the cardboard is fine. What happened to the torrent? It get dropped in shipping or something?

[bleak holly]

Airline luggage crew tossing it and then watching the (INSERT MANY HARSH WORDS) mobbed up Airport Importation crew yank my PC out of the box after I told them it was fragile which broke the feet and then them charging me import on the damaged case.

[bleak holly]

It was this that made me go the custom route to make a Carry-On size PC that fits what I want

[trim crest]

If you're going to be travelling a lot that is pretty understandable.

[languid topaz]

I did that for awhile before I started using styrofoam (which was probably stupid because it's prone to static) then tool foam & then the der8ench table lol

[bleak holly]

Done

[bleak holly]

Also the new GPU riser cable works

[bleak holly]

I fly internationally about 2-3 times a year.

I love these P12 Pros!

[lofty pewter]

Eh, unless you have the female hex sockets the same size as the standoff then it'd prolly be more dangerous. Pretty easy to screw up with a wrench, or even worse pliers. Dont really have to worry about it unless there is someone or pet that is prone to clumsiness.

[viscid patrol]

to be fair, you could just hand tighten it but it's completely unnecessary

[languid topaz]

noice

damn what's the temperature there rn? heckin 63F here. I never have great benchmarking weather lol

[bleak holly]

It's around 30c during the day here.

About 24-26c at night.

@languid topaz I decided I am gonna buy every thing needed to water block the ram as a fun entry project into water cooling before I delid the cpu. For the coolant, what should I add to distilled water to prevent build up? Also for flushing/cleaning radiators do I just use distilled water as well or?

[viscid patrol]

Biocide

As long as you do maintenance regularly, you wouldn't need to flush out the radiator, just drain it as best you can

[bleak holly]

Noted. What I meant by flush is I heard with new radiators they should also be cleaned/flushed first.

[viscid patrol]

oh yeah for new ones, flushing would be better in case there are any contaminants on it

you should be fine flushing with tap water a few times, then using distilled to rinse it

[bleak holly]

Good to know

[languid topaz]

I use Prestone Platinum lol

distilled water only apparently encourages copper deposits on anything nickel plated

[bleak holly]

I thought you tried making custom coolant mixtures?

[languid topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pIpKetQlZs

they do that once a year on Thermaltake's live stream but it's more of a joke because they've used like maple syrup & other nonsense

[bleak holly]

that's bare copper though no?

[languid topaz]

distilled water is the most heat conductive thing you can use but using it by itself isn't a good idea

[bleak holly]

What's the cheapest way to get a lot o coolant?

[languid topaz]

in my opinion, distilled water with a little bit of car radiator fluid

[bleak holly]

Because I am gonna be running a 480 and 240 rad + reservoir as the end goal and I imagine I will likely need to drain the coolant before I go on flights so I'd like to explore a cheap way to make this happen.

[bleak holly]

Does that actually work?

[languid topaz]

that's what I use for everything. official coolant is stupid expensive for distilled water, propylene glycol, coloring, & tiny amounts of mystery ingredients

[bleak holly]

Any radiator fluid work or?

Also what ratio (aproximately)

[languid topaz]

I use the green stuff. I dunno if the pink is better

just enough that you can see the color I think

ngl I might not be the best person to ask lol

[bleak holly]

lmao.

Anyways over in #overclocking

[bleak holly]

A lot of progress on the PSU, Motherboard, and SSD tray for the pc case project. The adjustments have also allowed for an additional 5mm to the front rad thickness upping it to 85mm.

[wide parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/in-shock-gif-17553158948252598097

In Blender

I mean if it works it works I suppose

Better have some insane renders of the final thing

(Autodesk offers free hobbyist licenses which I highly recommend to anyone getting into 3d design modeling)

[bleak holly]

Limited in my experience and understanding. A bit more difficult but I can use Blender for 3D Modelling, Animation, and more.

Without the $$$.

[wide parrot]

Pretty sure the fusion 360 hobby license is mostly full featured unless it's changed in the past few years

[tame cape]

personal license has all you'll probably ever need. unless you're planning to run a cnc machine or make more complex stuff

[viscid patrol]

Can't run the personal 6 axis CNC mill 😔

[wide parrot]

yeah I was under the impression that it had 100% of the modeling features but just lacked some simulation stuff

[bleak holly]

I am impressed with the strength of PETG I thick I can significantly reduce panel thickness due to it

[bleak holly]

I don't like sourcing screws so I am making a tool less PSU mount / cage

[bleak holly]

I am curious, is anyone aware of a PC case or aftermarket product that features a true toolless PSU cage/mount?

Meaning no screwdrivers or screws. I suppose Lego like installation is acceptable.

<@&525119001324683264>

I made a Modular PSU cage last night that uses custom pegs to secure SFX or with an attachment, SFX-L PSUs. I am wondering if maybe someone has already something similar or better that I can draw inspiration from.

[viscid patrol]

toolless psus are usually custom and not atx standard

you find toolless psus fairly often on server racks

[bleak holly]

Is that due to how much ATX PSU's can vary in length?

[subtle kiln]

It's due to case designs and PSUs. There is almost always a game between psu and case for thermal reasons, even on SF-ITX cases.the 4 screws holding it in place secure it to the case.

Server racks are almost always universal with their parts, that's why it plug in.

Why do you want a tooless PSU anyways? Their screws fit most screwdrivers. It's not like mobo or drive screws.

[viscid patrol]

not universal, but companies typically buy from a single vendor (e.g. hp) so hp makes a bunch of their servers compatible with their hot plug psu, and then the datacenter only needs to stock those replacement parts in case any fail

[subtle kiln]

Good to know. I've never worked on server racks, only seen them. I figured the racks were all the same size.

[viscid patrol]

the racks themselves are universal, but the servers on the racks are all proprietary

[subtle kiln]

So then cases they sit in are different?

Hmmm

[viscid patrol]

yes

[bleak holly]

Because I am designing a very compact portable PC case and if I ever need to install some cables, swap the PSU, or move the PSU to get better access to the interior I want to make it as easy as possible.

If I were to use screws it'd require taking 2 panels off and moving a bunch of tubes and wires to screw it in otherwise.

[stuck horizon]

Hey im looking for fan curves for my system

Here's my system it's the hyte y60 specs are the msi mpg z790carbon wifi ii motherboard paired with the i9 13900k and msi rtx 5070 gaming trio oc edition

I have 3 Asiahorse nyota 120mm set to exhaust at the top 1 120m Asiahorse nyota 120mm set to rear exhaust 2 140mm Asia horse nyota reverse blade fans set to intake on the side and 2 140mm noctua a14 chromax fans set to bottom intake

My rear and side intake and bottom Intakes have they own headers for more refined curves

These r default curves

[viscid patrol]

i recommend adjusting curves with software as the bios adjustments are a pain to adjust (plus it could have mixes causing the fans to ramp up instead of single sensor)

https://getfancontrol.com/

[stuck horizon]

So just leave the bios stock?

[viscid patrol]

yeah

change any other settings you might want like enabling xmp or such

but don't bother with bios fan curves

[stuck horizon]

Ok thanks

@viscid patrol quick question so my motherboard stand off screws r so tight where the screw tries to loosen the motherboard stand of from the case how can I fix it

[viscid patrol]

that is... impressive i gotta say lmao
sounds like the screw might be cross threaded, you might have to take out the motherboard and use pliers on the standoff once it's off to hold onto it to get the screw out

[stuck horizon]

Lol ik rooky mistake

[wide parrot]

I've had that happen with m.2 ssd standoffs but never mobo standoffs lol

[stuck horizon]

[bleak holly]

So the AM5 mount using the stock backplate uses #6-32 screws but for some reason not all AIOs use #6-32 nuts for mounting the AIO on the cooler.

Because of this depending on the cooler that can are:

• #6-32 to M3
• #6-32 to #6-32
• #6-32 to M4

[tame cape]

sorry for bothering, how's it going with those fans so far? I'd like to get some for my y60 case swap, but i found little feedback online

[bleak holly]

@tame cape P12 Pros for the win.

Sound profile is like a standing fan or AC at full blast

[tame cape]

i also have p12 and p14 pros in my cart. i might as well just buy a buch of different fans, compare them and use the ones i like less on other builds

[bleak holly]

Fair. Performance wise, my temps dropped by ~5c going from normal P12 ARGB fans to P12 Pros both at 100%

[trim crest]

Isnt that 3000 rpm? That would be unreasonably loud for me.

[bleak holly]

it is

[languid topaz]

tbh I really can't think of a single case offhand with a toolless PSU. Every PSU I've gotten even comes with 4 screws so my guess is nearly all cases use screws. Heck I wouldn't even be surprised if the screws are somehow required to ensure a proper grounding path from the case to the PSU in case there's a fault

[cosmic mortar]

anyone got a recommendation for a tower cooler for an am4 chip?

i looked around but honestly i cant tell what on gods green earth is the difference between 90% of them

[trim crest]

Which am4 cpu? Phantom spirit is really good and pretty cheap if you can easily fit it. Most of the am4 stuff you'd be fine with a single tower but the price difference is usually like $15-20.

[cosmic mortar]

5800xt

looked at the phantom spirit and was gonna buy it

wanted to see if anyone here had a better suggestion

seems like that might be the one tho

[wide parrot]

(thermalright) Royal Pretor is the next step up but the phantom spirit is already great

[neon epoch]

peerless assassain

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-Assassin-Extrem-Black/dp/B09LGY38L4?th=1

[cosmic mortar]

Any real difference between this one and the phantom spirit?

[wide parrot]

Spirit is 7 heatpipes instead of 6 I believe

Oh theres also the royal knight which I believe has better ram clearance via a slim fan? Also only $27 rn

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4gDQzy/thermalright-rk120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-rk120-se

Phantom spirit barely costs more than a peerless assassin so I'd get it instead

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GpbRsY/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se

Or, if you wanted something that rivals 360mm AIOs, there's the $44 Royal Pretor

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/66cgXL/thermalright-royal-pretor-130-8188-cfm-cpu-cooler-royal-pretor-130

[cosmic mortar]

I think the phantom spirit SHOULD be enough

Also didnt even consider ram clearance 😭

Welp ig we'll see if it fits when it arrives

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trim crest]

If you want 100% ram clearance isntead of overhanging it there are a few options like the scythe fuma 3, kotetsu 3 or id 226xt but really even a normal single tower like an assassin x or a 224xt would be fine on a 5800xt, you can also just leave the front fan off and only use the middle one or maybe move the front fan into being a rear fan if you have a problem with tall ram sticks or want to see the rgb on them.

[cosmic mortar]

Yall im lowkey tweaking rn

Got the phantom spirit 120

And im tryna install it

But the screws it came with simply arent long enough

[cosmic mortar]

The backplate fell out and i had to remove my motherboard 💔

[tawny oxide]

They’re industry standard
There’s something else going on if they’re not long enough

[gray lichen]

Hey all I’m having some issue with my water system, I’ve been at it all day, the bump is running but not flowing through the system. Any ideas

I also can’t send any pictures to show idk why

[bleak holly]

You will be able to send pictures after talking a bit

[gray lichen]

Ahhhh okay that makes sense hopefully I can send the video and photos for everyone to see because lord I wanna get this up before crimson desert

[bleak holly]

@open gate could you give @gray lichen image perms so someone can help them out?

[open gate]

hmmmm

@bleak holly done

[tawny oxide]

@gray lichen try now

You saw my role creation as soon as I made it lmao

[gray lichen]

Let me check

Nope still greyed out

[tawny oxide]

Now

[cosmic mortar]

yeah it was an issue with the backplate

[gray lichen]

Perfect works now thank you

Lmk what I should fix

Or where I messed up

[tulip depot]

Planning to get the meshroom s v2 with the 360mm bracket

I have an atx mobo and I’ll be getting an sfx psu

Would it be possible to have a 3.5” hdd in the case as well? And if so how many fans can I use (how many full size and how many slim) and what airflow orientation should i use

[tulip depot]

@bleak holly ik youre good with cases like this, can you help me?

[elfin trout]

Looks like all that'll fit well is a top mount 120mm 15mm slim fan for exhaust, should be fine if you're doing a 360mm with 3x120mm side intake though

[bleak holly]

You should be able to reuse the fan brackets for the rad in the rear at the front side to mount full size 120/140 fans and mount the psu to the fan bracket

@tulip depot

Can even get creative with it like this guy did

[tulip depot]

oh dang

[bleak holly]

you can mount the hdd to the fan rack with a little creativity on the positioning

[tulip depot]

hm

would this be the best "non creative" solution

i wanna go more simple

[bleak holly]

Simpler would be keeping the fan bracket in the rear and if the case has space mounting it to the rear on the fan bracket there.

Can interfere with max GPU height

[tulip depot]

if you can think of a better case that fits an atx mobo, 360mm aio and hdd, lmk btw

and isnt like 200$

[bleak holly]

I'd say mine once the design is finished. Otherwise I can take a look around later.

[tulip depot]

oh i need it sooner rather than later

im planning on switching once my old pc sells

which is anyday nnow

[bleak holly]

Ohh so very soon.

[tulip depot]

yeah like ~1 week

[bleak holly]

And you don't want a massive case I imagine

[tulip depot]

small

the whole point of this is to downsize my case

[bleak holly]

Yeah that SSUPD with the creative mounting solution is your only way then if size is a priority.

There are some other ones but they were like 50% larger

[tulip depot]

alr

so id need to get the main case, the fan extension and a ~400mm riser

anything im missing

[bleak holly]

If your gpu is ~360mm long you need the 15mm feet extenter

otherwise there will be no room for the Graphics Cables to plug in

[tulip depot]

298mm i think

so ill be plenty fine

298 x 131 x 58

[bleak holly]

Current design supports:

top: 480 rad, 85mm thick

side: 2x240 rad ~75mm thick

top front panel: 360 rad, 63.5-83.5mm thick

bottom front panel: 480 rad, 100~ thick (take into account gpu slot thickness)

all in a 45L design.

using an ATX board affects top rad thickness.

[tulip depot]

yeah i need more or less portable so im hoping for the ~20L range

[bleak holly]

Gotcha, my smaller design not refined yet is about 28L, so the same size as the Lian Li.

Fits 2x360 rads, 1x360 if using a ATX board.

Would that be in your ballpark @tulip depot?

[tulip depot]

bit big

[bleak holly]

Btw note, the Meshify with the aio extender is about the same size.

[tulip depot]

the extender adds that much space?

[bleak holly]

Iirc it's about 27L with the extender.

[tulip depot]

oh dang

would i be able to use like a 240mm aio without the extender and everything else i have

[bleak holly]

It's the width of the case and increases the depth by nearly 60%

[bleak holly]

Not unless you use an iTX board or a SFF gpu.

[tulip depot]

hm

how would i get around changing out the board

like what would i have to not use

[bleak holly]

Issue is a space constraint.

[tulip depot]

like

what would i lose if i wanted to keep my board and gpu

the aio?

[bleak holly]

Either the AIO or the 3.5" HDD however note that the SSUPD does not support full size air coolers.

It's designed specifically for AIO use

[tulip depot]

hm

idk if i can lose the hdd

[bleak holly]

So you'd be using those SFF air coolers

[tulip depot]

wait

if i get an itx board can i use an atx psu

[bleak holly]

Iirc yes in the front but that means no 240 aio

[tulip depot]

🙁

[bleak holly]

Unless you want to ditch a lot of compatibillity or some of your stuff, either get the fan extender or we can talk about making a custom case in private.

[tulip depot]

hmmmm

so what if i got rid of my board and psu

and i just had an itx board + sfx psu

i could fit a 240mm aio in the case?

[bleak holly]

then you can have a 240 aio in the front

which means you can mount the HDD to the rear fan bracket

[tulip depot]

then everything would fit?

[bleak holly]

I believe so.

Also if you want a fan extender I can print you a slim one that doesn't add to much space

[tulip depot]

and what if i ditched the hdd

[bleak holly]

I'd just need the mounting positions

[tulip depot]

its alg

[bleak holly]

Then you could possibly put the 240 in the rear if your GPU height is less then 125mm iirc.

[tulip depot]

i think its 131

[bleak holly]

angle grinder time

[tulip depot]

lmao

ok so would i be able to fit any bigger components if i ditched the hdd or would nothing change

[bleak holly]

Nothing would change except for increased GPU height in the rear

[tulip depot]

ok

so nothing happens if i lose the hdd

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NMBcfp this is my current setup, id have to ditch the AIO, mobo, case and psu right?

how much could i sell all that for

wait cant i fit a 280mm aio in the front with an itx board?

[bleak holly]

I'd suggest checking the total clearance. But maybe.

Big issue with rads is that models have a large variance from brand to brand in the height and width. Usually between 60-80mm increase to the length and around a 2.5-5mm increase to the width beyond the fan size

[tulip depot]

eh i feel like a 240mm is enough and that 280mm would only complicate things

[bleak holly]

this has made it hell for me to design my larger case

because I am trying to get it to support a 1x480, 2x240, and 1x360 rad.

[bleak holly]

probably ~$100 for the board, $30 for the aio, and $50 for the psu. Maybe $80 if you pitch it well.

Used PSUs are hard to sell.

[tulip depot]

its 1 year used on a 10 year warrantyy

[bleak holly]

Helps with getting it sold though value will remain about the same.

[tulip depot]

so all together (with case), maybe like 250?

[bleak holly]

If you sell it through FB you could probably up the costs by 20% or so.

[bleak holly]

Probably.

[tulip depot]

so itd cost me about 200 to downsize

[bleak holly]

FB has far less competition and people are willing to pay more to buy in person.

[tulip depot]

could i get closer to 300 on fb

[bleak holly]

I wouldn't say it's impossible.

[tulip depot]

maybe i list it at 300

wait

ugh i just realized i dont have an account

[bleak holly]

Doesn't take long to setup.

Also FB has no fees.

[tulip depot]

99% sure they need face verification

[bleak holly]

That's news to me though my account is a decade old sooo

[tulip depot]

yup

and my account also got suspended the second i created it

[tawny oxide]

Use namor from rivals

[bleak holly]

I am guessing this just means they are waiting for someone to check it.

[bleak holly]

@sleek tartan new poll question.

On a scale of 1-4 How much do you care about looks relative to function in a PC case?

1 - Beauty and elegance above all else. Let function be damned, the case will have curves, insignias, colors, etc and barely any functional support.

2 - Nice balance of looks and function, keep most of the function, add curves/sloped to the parts, intricate slot designs for panels like Hexagons, for panels, covers to hide cables, and colors.

3 - Prefer function before looks. Focus on higher part compatibility for upgrades, room to grow, etc at the expense of some looks such as less curves, more box like frame, simple colors, etc.

4 - Beauty be damned, it can look like a flat paneled cube and no colors besides black or white, so long as it fits more than I could ever need then I am happy.

[tulip depot]

@bleak holly I forgot to mention I also have a vgpu mount in there, could I go for like 320?

[bleak holly]

I am not sure. I haven't tried selling Vertical Mounts before.

[wooden silo]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DQPRVD4C?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US

Whats the best airflow combination for my pc case?

any thoughts on this idea too? I'm gonna 3d print some stands for the fans so I can see the infinity mirror design

also going to 3d print a shroud so I can install it below so the airflow remains the same ish

red = stands

blue = shroud

black = fan

it would work, no?

I believe it would with little drawback

[trim crest]

Should work. If they're flush you'd want 25mm total right? They're normal thickness fans? You'd want to think about how the screws are going to work too.
And the standard layout is intake bottom and side, exhaust top and rear, same as the picture.

[wooden silo]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F38FDRM3?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&language=en_US here are the fans

[trim crest]

They're standard 25mm then.

[craggy mirage]

Time to get a new cpu fan. Know that wheel on price is right? My cpu fan started making that sound and I watched it as it started to stop. Wasn't going to see if it hit 100. Quickly slammed server down lol 😆

I remember years ago, my first Intel cpu where fan just stopped and me stupidly wondering what would happen if I don't shut system down. It never went on again.

Think I still have that mb too

Or was that wheel of fortune?

[viscid patrol]

You see

That was probably back when cpus did not have thermal shutoff

But like around 2 decades ago, maybe more (I don't exactly remember when they added it) PCs would shut off if it overheats

[craggy mirage]

Back in mid 90s, I worked for Sears both tech and sales. They had a program with Intel which got us two cpus a year through a training program at about $49 each. Didn't think it much a loss until I saw the real price and no longer worked for them lol. I remember Cellular One, and a few god awful phones that if you miss programmed them twice, they'd brick. Dont miss those days.

[viscid patrol]

Lmao

But yeah don't have to worry about cpus killing themselves from running too hot anymore
They will only do that if you delid them pretty much

Hell you can cook a steak on them now

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cpu-hot-meat-yummy-gif-25343056

[craggy mirage]

I wouldn't want to be the one stuck cleaning that mess

[viscid patrol]

Lol

[trim crest]

It's an fx. Nobody bothered cleaning it.

[craggy mirage]

Back in the late 80s where gaming systems were msdos and huge monstrositys like they are today, but back then when sound, voice, super vga, all needed a separate card there was me and my first big gulp from a 7-11 just opened few houses down. I put it on top of my brother's gaming system, not knowing he put a mouse pad with a stylus from the old Atari animation station. It fell over and we both just stared in shock as the coke spilled into his new build, then mac (no loss to me back then) Shockingly, only needed to replace the mouse and keyboards.

But for first 30 seconds, maybe more, we both just stared in stupidly

Oh, it just missed his Roland mt32

[tawny oxide]

So I’m repainting my coolermaster stacker 831.
It’s currently like a metallic blue.

This is the original model, and I want to know what unique colours you guys would suggest painting it.

[cosmic mortar]

What color is the rest of your setup?

I personally like a dark green but i dont think that would look nice with many setups

[tawny oxide]

Just black atm

[wooden silo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yvB4qd

my build atm

using armory crate to change the gif of my aio and I plan to use a diff rgb software for everything

but before doing that I need help

pc fan lights are flickkers on and off, the speed of said fans don't turn off and on

how can I fix this?

Update, ran the armory crate uninstaller, lights flashing slowed and flashed less

Installed SignalRGB, every piece changed color except the fans

And the flash on and off rlly quick and flash into the color they're supposed to be and flash back to default color

What seems to be the issue here?

[cosmic mortar]

well basically anything can go then

https://tenor.com/view/green-zanka-zanka-gachiakuta-green-zanka-nijiku-gif-429805278826493465

[wide parrot]

https://youtu.be/caYwWR5eHl4?si=POqMY9BP6xAO3oqI

Labs article too
https://www.lttlabs.com/articles/2026/04/04/how-close-is-too-close-applying-fundamental-fluid-dynamics-research-methods-to-pc-cooling

[bleak holly]

How about some shade of Electric Green, Gold, or Midnight Purple

[tawny oxide]

Got any examples?

[lapis plover]

Trim it entirely with the color #50C5D5

Aka QMB Cyan

[tawny oxide]

[tame cape]

I really expected the hyte y60 to have much better airflow for my setup apart from the gpu, but I guess I'm going back to the 465x

even with more fans and plenty of extra noise, the temperatures on the cpu are worse and the gpu is struggling to breathe

[trim crest]

If you want decent airflow in a fishtank you probably want one where the bottom fans can do something. For just a good airflow case maybe a 217 or a flux.

[tame cape]

the corsair 465x had actually decent temps compared to this updated setup, so since I still have it lying around I'll probably move everything back to it

don't really want to spend extra on a case for small improvements

I might use the y60 for a build I'll sell later

[bleak holly]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-bumblebee-shrug-robot-shrugging-gif-7911095585369001069

Gold

https://tenor.com/view/crosshairs-gif-2048554156360809397

https://tenor.com/view/croshairs-transformers-gif-27145890

Green

[lavish hull]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-nemesis-prime-purple-eyes-evil-turning-evil-gif-24230310

purple

[bleak holly]

How durable are D5 and DDC pumps in regards to being transported roughly?

@languid topaz

[languid topaz]

I mean, I wouldn't beat the crap out of either on purpose but my guess is the reservoir or body would crack before the pump would be damaged

[viscid patrol]

You'll probably break the PC before the pump breaks from rough handling

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz @foggy ivy why I am wondering is because I am trying to design my pc to make use of an External Rad Tower when I do a custom loop and the RAD tower (with pump) will be put in checked luggage when I fly internationally 2-3 times a year.

[languid topaz]

tbh I'd be way more worried about the GPU/PCIe slot than the pump

[bleak holly]

The PC with the gpu, board, etc is being put into a custom case that I will take a carry-on.

gpu is mounted to the case frame and hooked up with a riser cable

How rough can D5 and DDC pumps be treated are they very fragile or?

[languid topaz]

once the suit case releases you could build in this case lol https://thermaltakeusa.com/products/tr100-mini-tower-chassis-ca-11a-00s1nn-00

[bleak holly]

way to small

[languid topaz]

they're not that fragile afik. They're basically some metal thing that magnets make it spin

it like floats

D5 at least

let me see if I can find a picture

[bleak holly]

Hmm

[languid topaz]

if you're worried, removing that smaller piece on the left is fairly easy

that way there's nothing to potentially bang around

[bleak holly]

the pc case I am making is 27.8L and fits ATX board, SFX/SFX-L psu, 4 slot gpu, and both a 360x70 thick and 240x30 thick rad at the same time. Can fit a 360 slim rad behind the 4 slot gpu if the gpu is waterblocked or thin.

[languid topaz]

turns out, at least Thermaltake recommends taking those two parts apart when cleaning out the pump

[bleak holly]

I was expecting to see propeller blades.

[languid topaz]

well Mike said to clean there at least. I dunno if the company itself takes a position on that

these are them I think

[bleak holly]

oh okay

[languid topaz]

EK sent me a new center piece when a pump I got from them died

& the magnets that hold it in are kinda strong but the pieces separate if you pull on it knowing it's supposed to come apart there lol

[bleak holly]

The checked luggage crew usually just drop the luggage. So I am wondering if it can survive that if it's in a box or suitcase wrapped in a couple layers of bubble wrap

[languid topaz]

since that thing spins with magnets, it's probably better to mount a pump vertically long-term. Ever since I swapped out that center piece & moved that pump so that it's facing upwards, it hasn't had issues. It's been in my son's PC now for probably two years

I mean unless they're beating the crap out of your bag I'd think it would be fine. I'd even guess it's more likely they'd damage the usually plastic housing connected to the pump or the fins on the radiator before they'd damage the pump itself

[bleak holly]

gotcha

[languid topaz]

I'd still use the bubble wrap just in case. If you could somehow incorporate the pump into the PC you're carrying on you'd have to worry less. I think there are even CPU waterblocks with the pump built in

same with distros

[bleak holly]

Hmmm I may be able to do the distro idea and have all the rads in the rad tower.

[languid topaz]

I dunno if this one is good but here's an example at least: https://www.performance-pcs.com/products/singularity-computers-plasma-2-ddc-cpu-water-block-acrylic-clear-sc-pl2-ddc-acr?

I'd recommend D5 tho. Afik D5 is generally more powerful

this one has a pump and a reservoir lol https://www.performance-pcs.com/products/barrow-amd-cpu-water-block-integrated-10w-pump-and-reservoir?

[bleak holly]

any idea if these world work well as direct die?

[languid topaz]

damn I wouldn't really risk it since it's so large & might hit crap mounted on the motherboard if it's closer since the IHS is gone

[bleak holly]

my end goal is to have the cpu, gpu, and ram waterblocked as budget permits and for the rad tower I plan to fit 4x360x30 thick rads or 2x360x64 thick rads.

My current system pulls about 840 watts

[bleak holly]

Case is almost done.

[bleak holly]

Basically a improved version of the SSUPD Meshroom S V2 that fits 360 rads, the largest of the GPU world and supports a full SSD rack.

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz I see that Raijintek has a pretty powerful D5 pump that comes with a metal frame and tempered glass reservoir. You think that would be a safer bet?

https://raijintek.com/antila-d5-evo-rbw/

[bleak holly]

I am curious, <@&525119001324683264> would you guys consider a case within 25L to be a SFF or MFF case?

[crimson galleon]

For me, I'd probably say MFF

[bleak holly]

@fallow basin @trim crest @proven heart

[crimson galleon]

Medium/small

[bleak holly]

I am making a compact case right now that fits a full size GPU, board, rad, SFX PSU, and 6 2.5" ssds. The size right now is 24.2L.

[proven heart]

depends on the dimensions imo. you can sort of stretch the definition of SFF is you make it rectangular enough

probably MFF for most cases tho

[bleak holly]

27.5x20x44cm

XYZ

[crimson galleon]

I hold that it's on the bigger end of small, and smaller end of medium. It's kinda in that crossover zone to me

You can def go a lot smaller, but that's still smaller than a standard MFF case

[crimson galleon]

I agree with this, yeah

[bleak holly]

Supports ATX board, 4 slot GPU (360mm long and 160mm tall), and a 360 rad up to 45mm thick with 25mm fans.

Layout is similar to the TT Tower 600, but with the rad on the left and GPU at the right both configured as exhaust and 3 intake fans in the middle feeding fresh air to both and cooling the ram+VRMs.

[bleak holly]

Gotcha. Not sure how much smaller I can make it while still supporting full size parts except the PSU which needs to be SFX or SFX-L.

Currently packed tighter than a Meshroom S but with better support and flow pattern.

[crimson galleon]

Yeah that's fair. Full size parts are a pretty big constraint for compact systems. I just meant with no size constraints on parts you can go way smaller. But where you're at sounds like a good middle ground between compact and accessible parts

Man I wanna upgrade my system so bad lol

[bleak holly]

Oh gotcha yeah the goal of this project is to build a compact pc case within Airline Carry-On standards that fit full size components so no performance or OC sacrifice.

[crimson galleon]

That sounds like an awesome goal honestly

[bleak holly]

Had my pc damaged twice as checked luggage so I decided to take the initiative to print my own

[crimson galleon]

That sounds damn cool man. So you're making a 3D printed case? Any specifics on what material you are looking to use?

[trim crest]

Depends on the footprint imo. Something like an a3 might as well be an matx mid tower imo. Then something like a mushroom 2 is a proper sff case even if it fits an atx board.

[bleak holly]

I have a ton of glossy black and glossy white PETG on hand. Should be more more than sufficient.

[crimson galleon]

I'd just be cautious about rigidity. PETG is quite flexible. I would recommend using at least some reinforced filaments like CF or better yet, GF filaments

[bleak holly]

I am using 5mm solid infill

Very hard to bend xD

[crimson galleon]

Structural glass fiber PETG for the core of the system that needs to be rigid and then PETG normal for more exterior parts would be how I would personally do it. You could have it lighter and more compact, but it would likely be stronger than the full PETG one that's bigger

[bleak holly]

I see, I will definitely try that if the initial design is not as strong as i'd like.

[crimson galleon]

Granted, I say that as a person with a printer made to do engineering prints, so engineering filaments might be more of a tall order

[crimson galleon]

Sounds good!

[bleak holly]

filament is so damn expensive where I am lmao.

PETG unless bought in bulk is about $20 USD/kilo

[crimson galleon]

That's not too much more expensive than normal. It's like $16/KG here

[bleak holly]

About ~30% but yeah not horrible

[crimson galleon]

I remember several years back it used to be like $25-30/KG

[bleak holly]

How safe is it to just buy a off the shelf Angled PSU Power Cable? I need a right-angled one so I can route the power cable out of the case easily.

something like what the Lian Li A3 uses

[trim crest]

Is that any different than buying a straight power cable off the shelf?

[bleak holly]

Wasn't sure if there were any specifications I should keep an eye out for like with the PSU cables.

[trim crest]

It should just be a standard c13 unless it's 1200w+ which use a different plug and thicker gauge wire.

[bleak holly]

Appreciate it.

[obtuse vessel]

Would this specific GPU fit in this case?

[tawny oxide]

@obtuse vessel

[trim crest]

No. It needs to be <190mm and low profile. That one is full height and either 200m or 245mm. That case also uses a wierd form factor of power supply and needs a really small cpu cooler too.
Asus, gigayte and zotac all make lp versions. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JQwy4g

[bleak holly]

Bloody hell, I just discovered yet another thorn up my rear on this Carry-On pc case project. Apparently, according to TSA if the computer uses a liquid cooling system, it cannot contain more than 3.4 ounces of fluid if brought as a carry-on. Reddit mentions that TSA pretty much never checks for proof of that but still happens to some folks. If it's a open loop system, the requirement is that it needs to be drained before bringing it on.

@fallow basin @open gate

360mm AIOs typically have around 4-5 ounces of fluid.

[open gate]

WELL CRAP

[bleak holly]

Air coolers are a no go because your going to rip your damn CPU traveling with a tower cooler.

[bleak holly]

Which means for a Carry-On PC it needs to pretty much be a 240mm aio or a open loop should one get stuck with a TSA member in a bad mood.

[open gate]

thats the goal...im using a 240

[bleak holly]

I barely get by with a 360mm so I need to figure out a solution

[fallow basin]

i would just risk it lowk

[open gate]

hm

[wide parrot]

They probably aren't gonna care about 360 vs 240 aio

They'll care if there's a big reservoir

[bleak holly]

You're probably right on that.

Doing my own custom loop is becoming more appealing by the day lmao

[bleak holly]

you have a 5800x3D correct?

[open gate]

for now. getting a 9850x3d soon

[bleak holly]

Hmm 240 is gonna make that real toasty without some very high rpm fans

200w cpu.

the more I read up on this the more it seems the method to avoid hassle is checked luggage though that brings up the issue of keeping the pc safe from the pricks that managed to damage my torrent case.

[open gate]

120

[bleak holly]

ehh sorta AMD basically pulled a version of Intel's Level 1 and Level 2 power limit.

It pulls 120w without PBO, with PBO it will pull about 200w.

@open gate one idea is to make the AIO/Bracket simple to remove and put that in luggage then take the rest of the PC as carry-on.

[trim crest]

You could get one of the refillable be quiet ones too if you're that worried about it.

[bleak holly]

You just reminded me that my LT720 AIO has a refill port.

I guess that means what I can do is drain it and travel with a bottle of coolant in checked luggage.

I had no idea my radiator is aluminum. Interesting.

[bleak holly]

Hmmm Alpha cools water blocks with integrated pumps is becoming very appealing.

@open gate
https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/1r6trqn/aio_on_plane/

[bleak holly]

I take this back after seeing it only has a flow of 72L/HR.

[stray crest]

@bleak holly how do I install my 5 new arctic pro fans? im putting 3 intake at the bottom and 2 exhaust at the top? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LwfDXR is my build

P12 PRO PST

[trim crest]

The left bottom one wouldn't really do much. It'll be trying to suck air through a pretty narrow gap because the psu fills that space.

[bleak holly]

Side: 2 intake
Top: 2 intake
Rear: 1 exhaust

that's how I'd do it.

the other way I would do it is:
Side: 2 intake
Bottom: 3 intake

and just let the extra flow + physics move the hot air up and out

[stray crest]

there'd already 2 intake at thw side and 1 exhausr at the back, putting 2 top exhaust 3 bottom intake

[bleak holly]

gotcha I assumed no fans. yeah that works

Note that the top exhaust may interfere with the air cooler's intake fans

[stray crest]

nah 3 stock fans, took my gpu and psu out so I've got space rn😬

[bleak holly]

So I'd personally recommend flipping the top to intake and let all the hot air get sucked out/forced out the side

[stray crest]

hot air rises though so would it not work better that way?

the 2 top exhaust will be away from the side intakes

[bleak holly]

Hot air rising is a very slow process and extremely easy to overcome.

[stray crest]

closer to the back where the stock exhaust is

[bleak holly]

a small breath from a mouth is easy enough to overcome hot air rising.

[stray crest]

hmm okay

[bleak holly]

The exception to this rule is if you live in ant arctica

because the larger the delta the faster it rises but even then it's slow.

[bleak holly]

try everything but the rear as intake and you can try flipping the top to exhaust after if you wish to experiment

@open gate how many 2.5" drives did you have again?

[stray crest]

will have a lil experiment and see what keeps my temps better

@bleak holly question

mounting these bottom 3 intakes

wouldn't one suck up air from the psu?

[bleak holly]

yes though that's fine considering it will be pulling air through the PSU's opening cooling the internal parts. PSU fans don't kick in unless it gets really hot

[stray crest]

ahh okay just wondering, my psu fan was extremely dusty..., the fan faces upwards towards the gpu etc.

I think it was meant to be mounted upside down but idk..

[bleak holly]

is there room for the psu to suck in air that way?

[stray crest]

yes there's a mesh screen

just like the top and sides

[open gate]

2 is the goal….

[bleak holly]

gotcha

[stray crest]

uhm @bleak holly

the holes in the montech xr are too small for the screws

any ideas

[bleak holly]

no screws, zip-ties, or tape.

that or mount through the big holes

[stray crest]

won't hold through them big ones, would move about, no?

and how would u suggest taking them? like double sided tape or wdym exactly?

[bleak holly]

do you have extra radiator screws? those smaller ones look like #6-32 UNC holes which is what rads use to mount fans

[bleak holly]

Double side or L-Shape the tape to the side and frame

[stray crest]

I dont think so let me see

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz @lavish coral

Designing a custom case and I am trying to decide what size fan to put on the side intakes that cool the VRMs and Ram.

Arctic P12 Pro, Fractal X2 GP-14, or Fractal X2-GP18 to cool my ram? Blowing directly onto the memory through the side.

[stray crest]

I have a few I think

so they're too thin..

this is such a pain

would electrical tape work? @bleak holly

[bleak holly]

yeah just needs to be sticky

[stray crest]

okok how do I tape em on

giving up on these screws

[bleak holly]

half onto the side of the fan, the other half onto the surface you want to hold it

[stray crest]

ahh okay i see

would it not start getting less sticky over time due to heat?

[lavish coral]

why not have something like this for ram?

i dont know how effective they are tho

so its just a suggestion

[bleak holly]

very ineffective

Low flow and very noisy

[bleak holly]

One idea I am considering is making a Wind Tunnel that hooks up to the 120/140mm side intake fans but that feels excessive lmao

[bleak holly]

@lavish coral thank you very much. You indirectly just gave me the answer to what I wanted to figure out.

@lavish coral I had forgotten that Arctic and other brands make 80x80mm fans for server uses.

[stray crest]

@bleak holly

will this do

😭😭

also will the top ones (exhaust) have the logo facing in or out?

@sharp fox perchance?

[sharp fox]

uhh

are these all exhaust fans

[bleak holly]

Logo facing out also all your fans are exxhaust

[stray crest]

the montech ones are different

[bleak holly]

unless those side and rear ones are reverse style fans

[bleak holly]

you will want to flip your bottom ones. those are exhausting in the current orientation

[stray crest]

those are the 2 side ones

[sharp fox]

ah those are reverse

[stray crest]

they are? I turned it on and felt air on my hand coming up though?

[bleak holly]

your feeling the pull through, the P12 Pros are powerful I have 20 of them

@sharp fox why did @stray crest just get timed out?

[stray crest]

I swore apologies

[sharp fox]

watch that language

[stray crest]

so you say the 3 bottom ones are exhaust😭

[stray crest]

my apologies

[stray crest]

im gonna go crazy😭

[bleak holly]

yep. flip them to make those intakes

[sharp fox]

unless they are also reverse fans but it doesn't appear that way

[stray crest]

uh i dont think they are

i could test it with smoke to make sure?

[bleak holly]

also yes the way you mounted that very left fan with the tape works

[stray crest]

uh the tape is for the wires i used paperclips😂😂

[bleak holly]

Did you buy the Reverse variant?

[lavish coral]

happy that i somehow helped xd

[bleak holly]

Now I just gotta redesign again cause this won't fit in my backpack... Damn it I hate SFF

[stray crest]

not sure, they dont say reverse?

I got them from overclockers UK

testing with smoke rn

[lavish coral]

lol, someday i gotta try an sff build

[stray crest]

so they would appear to be exhaust..

[bleak holly]

Unless the vendor specified them as Reverse fans then you have the normal ones like me.

[stray crest]

you would be correct

[bleak holly]

Freaking pain in the ass is what they are

[stray crest]

time to crashout

any way to flip them without taking my psu out again

that was horrible

[bleak holly]

Especially when you are trying to squeeze in a 4 slot gpu and a 405mm 360 rad with a pump that has a obnoxiously big housing.

[stray crest]

Arctic P12 Pro PST Black PWM Five Fan Pack - 120mm is what i got

[trim crest]

The arctis ones are normal, the montech exhaust on the left is normal, the other 2 montech are reversed intakes.

You can look at the blade shape.

[stray crest]

so time to take my psu out again and flip these

[bleak holly]

yeah you have normal ones.

[bleak holly]

bingo.

[stray crest]

and then the top ones will havw the logo facing inwards?

[bleak holly]

logo facing the top, grill facing inwards

[stray crest]

ahh okok

soo i MIGHT be back(in an hour)😭

[bleak holly]

I know the pain all to well.

I once messed up the orientation + the cables when I was daisy chaining 18 wires

[trim crest]

And if you're going to put your hand in front of one to try to feel the direction, close your fingers. If they are open it does kind of feel like it's blowing at you even when it's actually sucking past your hand if your fingers are splayed open. It's kind of weird like that.

[stray crest]

😂

[bleak holly]

took me two hours to put everything back in place

[stray crest]

okay bottos ones done @bleak holly 😭😭

30 mins later😂

now the top ones

logo faces upwards correct?

AKA out the pc

[bleak holly]

logo facing away from the motherboard/cpu

[stray crest]

thankyou

@bleak holly done

finally.

[bleak holly]

much better

this will ensure all parts get fresh air and all hot air is directed out the rear

[stray crest]

thank you🙏🏻🙏🏻

its got a noticeable vibration when its on

but on silent mode my cpu sits at 35

and my pc sits on the floor so that seems quite good

@bleak holly any way I could make themq quieter?

not sure if its the amount of fans making tje buzz sound or what but none are loose i checked

I think its the amount of fans

[bleak holly]

they are quiet for how powerful they are

Could simply lower the RPM

[stray crest]

ahh true

[bleak holly]

what you've bought are server-grade fans that have been optimized to not sound like a jet engine for the daily consumer xD

[stray crest]

oop😂

only got them them bc same price as p12 pwm pst's

😂😂

[bleak holly]

P12s have a annoying coil whine

the normal ones

[stray crest]

no idea just read that they're good and turns out the pros were same price so I got them

[bleak holly]

I can vouch for their performance

at 100% it dropped my temps by about 5-6c across the board

[stray crest]

ahh I see

im using fan control software to control em all

[stray crest]

any idea how to set my curve to keep my pc nice and quiet until it gets hot?@bleak holly

[bleak holly]

BIOS

usually called FAN Settings or something like that

or Advanced Monitoring

[stray crest]

ahh okay I see

I was using fancontrol software

[bleak holly]

@lavish coral I am going with plan B. Simply design the pc I want in a manner that is safe as checked luggage when placed into a suitcase

cause no matter how I splice it, making this a carry-on with the specs I want introduces to many thermal and tsa problems should I wind up with a guy in a bad mood.

[stray crest]

p12 fans set to monitor gpu and cpu, ramps up slowly of over 45 and the original case fans monitor the cpu, if it goes over 35 they ramp gradually

that sound good @bleak holly ?

(so pc doesnt take off like a jet engine but doesn't explode)

[bleak holly]

Yeah sounds fine

[bleak holly]

Current case layout. I am trying to get 900w of cooling to fit into as tight of as space as possible.

35.4L total.

[wide parrot]

I get that you know blender but bro if you're planning to actually custom fabricate a case please move to actual CAD software sooner rather than later 🙏

Autodesk has free hobbyist/personal use liscences for Fusion360

[bleak holly]

xD I will after completing this project

[wide parrot]

When you actually go to fabricate the dang thing you're gonna wish you used 'real' CAD software. Just sayin

[bleak holly]

I can convert the models direct to STL, 3MF, or OBJ which my printer accepts all 3.

[wide parrot]

I guess if the whole things 3d printed that might work

[bleak holly]

Indeed it is. It is what I have and I want to make the case durable while being light so I am printing it in PETG

[wide parrot]

Still think it'll probably be more work long-term to do it in blender vs learning basic Fusion modeling

[bleak holly]

5mm thick panels which are damn near indestructable by most means

[bleak holly]

I think you're right regarding this so I do plan to learn Fusion after this project

[wide parrot]

after

[bleak holly]

On a side note, it seems if I want to cool 900w of heat with a 10c coolant delta I am gonna need to increase rad support to fit 60mm thick high FPI rads in the rear chamber

this case is very quickly becoming extremely cramped

@wide parrot though what do you think of the layout?

To keep the gpu secure in place during transport I plan to add some adjustable Clamps/Stands that can be used to hold the gpu in place during transport.

[wide parrot]

Can't say much, don't see any tubing or pump or reservoir modeled

[bleak holly]

I left those models out due to requiring a lot of time. GPU is offset by 100mm from the board so that 90-95mm tall CPU coolers can be installed.

[wide parrot]

Also - you said it's 35L? Surely there are off the shelf cases that support 2x 360mm within that volume, no?

[bleak holly]

There are some but are limited to thin rads and limited gpu thickness and no fresh air goes to the gpu and ram in those.

[wide parrot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/mffpc/comments/1dqc9f9/lian_li_a3_dan_case_custom_loop_with_two_360/?

[bleak holly]

I am aware of the A3.

Those are slim rads and the ram is receiving hot air.

[wide parrot]

I guess the gpu waterblock does cover a lot of that bottom rad

[bleak holly]

one of the cooler ones but the guy who made this pointed out that it's a 3070 ti. Higher end gpus were running very hot in this config

[wide parrot]

It's also only a 28L case though, seems like there'd be something a little bigger but idk

[bleak holly]

lemme know if you find any

[wide parrot]

Jonsbo d41 mesh could do 360 + 280 and both could be thicc I think. But it's also got a glad side panel which probably isn't ideal for travel

Deepcool CH260 looks like the ideal form factor but oddly doesn't support 2x 360mm

[bleak holly]

I saw this one, nice looks.

[bleak holly]

I need to fit two 60mm thick 360 rads or three normal size 360

[wide parrot]

60mm, jeez

[bleak holly]

going for 900w of cooling

[wide parrot]

Don't normal 360mm rads do like 400?

[bleak holly]

300w at normalish temps

[wide parrot]

Yeah, I guess if you really need the 60mm thicc rads then custom case is the option

[bleak holly]

Nice benefit is I think the case will look pretty cool

Still pains me to have to go from my 70L torrent down to this tiny 35L case...

[bleak holly]

@wide parrot you will be pleased to hear that I was forced to download Fusion 360.

Blender does not accept .step files which I needed to view the printer model for my printer because I did not want to spend 40m disassembling and reassembling the bed just to check the spacer holes cause I'd need to reassemble and then print my spacers only to repeat the process once the spacers were made

[lapis plover]

There's probably a plugin for it m8

[bleak holly]

So far I am enjoying Blender more than Fusion for modeling.

[bleak holly]

Out of fear from Airport Bag Crews, I am just gonna invest in a custom loop and go with a design that fits in the carry-on.

I still want to know how the hell they bent my fractal torrent's 2mm thick steel frame

[tawny oxide]

Welcome to airports

[bleak holly]

I bloody hate them but I need them for my travels...

[bleak holly]

the idea of server fans is becoming appealing as a way to brute force my way around using thicker rads

[bleak holly]

Lmao yup

[idle reef]

Hey guys, first time builder here. Anyone have any case recommendations for an atx build w/ a 240mm aio? Case is the last thing I need. Lmk if you want the pcpartpicker list. Thanks guys!

[bleak holly]

send the part list and are you looking for any particular size, like a smaller ATX or full size?

Also aesthetic choices and budget would be good to know

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz @wide parrot @fringe granite can I get your thoughts on using multiple 240 rads instead of 2 360? It seems in about the same space as 2 360 rads I can squeeze in 4x240 rads in a vertical orientation side by side.

[wide parrot]

I mean it's more rad area

Personally I think 280mm is slept on. ~90% the area of a 360 but feels 'more compact'

[bleak holly]

Fair. I wish I could just make the whole case the radiator with the use of a cnc mill lmao

[plush forge]

Hey guys, I was just wondering if Lian Li SX1200 Platinum is good? it's also Tier A in the tier list. Any pros cons? Thanks!

[trim crest]

Looks like the fan curve isn't particularly good. https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/3159/

[idle reef]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/83DkXf

Included fans would be nice since I don’t trust myself to wire external fans up correctly lol. Midsize case would be nice. Preferably if I could keep it to 90 bucks or below ish. Not picky on aesthetics. Been looking at lian li v100 and that’s what I’m leaning towards but always nice to get knowledgeable opinions

[bleak holly]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7FfV3C/thermaltake-view-270-plus-tg-argb-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-1y7-00mewn-01

Or the Montech XR are some good mid-tower options that comes with fans

The V100 is decent as well

[tawny oxide]

The view 270 plus is a fantastic case
Wife uses it. Wonderful to set up. Plenty of space. @idle reef

[trim crest]

If you want included fans it would be the v100R, the v100 is the empty version. That would be my top pick if you want something budget but not too cheap with double glass and argb.
Looking at what you paid on the motherboard you might already be familiar with this site.
https://computers.woot.com/offers/lian-li-case-lancool-216x-mid-tower-10?ref=w_cnt_lnd_cat_pc_3_4 $80 for a 216 is pretty good and this is an excellent airflow case with the stock fans if you just want something high quality and plain.
For something really cheap the sama 3509 and the phanteks g370a are each about $55 right now and the white corsair frame 4000d is $60 which is excellent value, that's a pretty nice case but not really on theme with the rest of your build. The p30 is also pretty nice, the plain one doesn't seem to be on sale anymore but the argb one is.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wVsTJw

[bleak holly]

@wide parrot @tawny oxide Aha! I finally found a answer to my compact cooling needs. It's no longer in production but Amazon and some other vendors have Thermaltake's discontinued CLD series radiators which are 40mm thick and have a insane FPI count of 25 which is about 80% denser then most 360 rads meaning I have almost double the surface area while having the same overall size 😄

[wide parrot]

Daaaang

Just make sure you get some fans with good static pressure

[bleak holly]

P12 Pros for the win

I have 20 of them on hand

[wide parrot]

Maybe even higher idk lol

Oh worth a shot if you have 20 lol

[bleak holly]

I had bought them in bulk for a different project and then realized I needed to downsize lmao

but anyways they're rated for about 7.2 static pressure with the average fan being rated for about 3.5

So assuming the math scales fairly linearly they should get the job done well

[idle reef]

Ah yep, that’s what I meant, the v100r, thanks for the correction. That does seem like a fantastic deal on a 216 and yeah I know about woot they’ve got some steals for sure. Thank you for these suggestions man I really appreciate the insight 🙏

[bleak holly]

Oh damn @wide parrot so the average 360 rad has a FPI of about ~13 which means the TT CLD360 radiator has about 56% more surface area at it's increased thickness and 25 fpi.

[bleak holly]

Playing around with this layout rn

Trying to make sure maintenance is easy in this case

[wide parrot]

Think a single fan will be enough for those insane rads?

I think increased fin density requires exponential pressure