cases-psu-and-cooling

[pure coyote]

my aio lowkey killed itself, yall know any good coolers for lga 1151

its a 9900k so i’m trying to avoid air coolers

[bleak holly]

any Thermalright 360 AIO will be plenty. The V6 and Frozen Edge lineups perform slightly better.

Compatibility for Intel：LGA 115X/1200/1700/1851/2011/2011-3/2066

[tame grove]

Am I being a smooth brain? No cover for the back of the frame 4000D?

[spare spear]

Has anyone bought the Thermalright TL-M12QW daisy chain fans?

[mild roost]

thermalright is great

[mild roost]

it's not your brain, it's by design

i checked a review vid, and yup.. no cover

[primal remnant]

my cooler master Q300L V2 has the plate thing but I forgot where i put it

lmao

[vocal fractal]

Hey guys, I need help with my new build. AIO fans won’t spin when I boot the PC

[sleek tartan]

responded in #building-and-recc-chat

[frozen basin]

What are some fancy cables I can get that would work for my new parts I’m getting and my gpu? I wanna get some nice cables I can put into my psu to make my cables and wire management look really nice, I’ll just replace the default cables I got in my pc atm.

[fallow basin]

What you are talking about are cable extensions, and you can't replace the PSU cables because they usually are configured proprietarily to the PSU's pin layout

You would get extensions to connect to the ends of the cables you have, which unless you have a large case, makes them harder to cable manage since the whole cable is now longer

[frozen basin]

I found some. Thanks 🙂

decided to go with AsiaHorse, really cheap and affordable but still great quality.

[fallow basin]

Good brand I’ve heard

[tight patrol]

would someone be able to help me pick a new case to get?

[sleek tartan]

what kind of case?

performance? looks? ease of building?

[tight patrol]

thats kinda what im tryna figure out

performance is a priority but i dont do anything crazy like overclocking or anything

Im coming from a meshilicious case with some what I thought were nice components at the time smashed in there but been having some pc issues so i wanna size up to make it easier to work on and troubleshoot and whatnot cuz i dont think my parts warrant my current performance

[sleek tartan]

IMO...

Fractal torrent is an amazing case
then the Antec Flux Pro came out
And now the Havn 360 came out and is good too

check those cases out

[fallow basin]

One work

Word

Montech century II 850w

[sleek tartan]

ah yes

one word

one WORD

❤️

lol

I have 3 things to say

1. Chocolate is a good flavor
2. Coffee is a good drink

[sleek tartan]

i've heard good things about montech as well though

[fallow basin]

W

[fallow basin]

Its just that good for the rating, wattage, and price

[tight patrol]

hows this one compare?

https://www.newegg.com/fractal-design-atx-mid-tower-steel-case-charcoal-black-fd-c-nor1c-01/p/N82E16811352203?Item=N82E16811352203&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

[sleek tartan]

north is good case

great balance of value to performance/looks

@tight patrol

[tight patrol]

would have a lot more room than the meshilicious too right?

@sleek tartan

[sleek tartan]

yea

meshilicious looks like a SFF

which is small form factor

and low on room/space

by design

[bleak holly]

@tight patrol the Fractal Torrent and Fractal North XL cases are both full size ATX. They are massive so space won't be an issue.

Emphasis on the word massive.

[bleak holly]

Your Meshilicious is an ITX/MATX SFF case from SSUPD correct?

[tight patrol]

Yes

[tight patrol]

I don’t wanna go huge

Just big enough I don’t need stupid adapters or put things in weird positions

[bleak holly]

Well what I can say about the Torrent is that it's super easy to work in, no adapters needed, but it is definitely huge.

They make smaller versions of each case called Nano if I recall but I have not used those.

[spiral flower]

Was wondering if anyone might know the sku/upc for the case from GMA5600BSTV4 cyberpower pc from Best Buy. I really like the case but I don't want to get the whole pc to get it.

[bleak holly]

It's a discontinued version of the Phantems Evolv. This is the current version which has performance improvements over the previous and in my opinion looks a lot more elegant.

https://phanteks.com/product/evolv-x2-black/

Support 360x120mm on both the top and bottom.

[tawny oxide]

Love these cases

[spiral flower]

Thank you, ill give it a look, gonna replace my old corsair 8000d with something that fits on my desk.

[bleak holly]

They are beautiful. Not the most functional but beautiful.

HAVN 420 HS I think is the best currently.

[primal remnant]

i bought a cooler master Q300L V2 and at first i thought the dust filters were great, they just fall off so i just thrw them out

it's a great case, because it's very heavy metal construction with like one panel of tempered glass

no RGB

the only thing i dsilike is there isn't like a full coverage set

which would let me more effectively direct the airflow rather than it just being open

directing airflow is hard

i think if there's black contact paper i might jerry-rig some of that to enable me to cover up the parts i''m not using

[mighty girder]

can i put bottom fans on the H5 flow

[mighty girder]

2024 version btw

3 120 MM

[primal remnant]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P2CJ18F does anyone know whether this particular fan brrand is a problem? it looks fantastic (ba-dum-tsshj) and seems to blow an absolute buttload of air and that's what i need

even has lovely vibration damping that I typically see as a noctua feature

there are better deals on them, i just linked this one

[wide parrot]

Haven't ever heard of the brand. However it will be LOUD compared to most fans we typically reccomend here. Not sure your usecase but if it is for a PC case I'd reccomend a couple thermalright c12c's.
44db vs 26db (db isn't linear either so that's a huge difference)

Also this won't be "air whooshing" sound, it will be motor whine and bearing noise. There's multiple Amazon reviews that mention it

[primal remnant]

yeah, i knoww about the coil whine

i'll probably buy arctic fans like i have a bunch already

well, two

my CPU cooler seemed loud to start but after using it for a while the whine has pretty much disappeared into the ether

i think the loudest thi ng is my GPU because of the single 120mm fan

but it's an RX 6400 right now so that's expected

i don't have any brand loyalty, i just prefer the fans be the same, so i'll end up buying an extra if those fans change.

the arctic P14 Pro PST has daisy-chaining PWM as a feature

which is excellent for value, because you don't need a hub

similarly, i don't like RGB (my CPU cooler is actually not connected to an ARGB setup)

noise isn't really a concern for me, but it's nice to have less of it

i'm probably gonna get a hyper 212 black to replace my current cooler as it's still the noisest component. probably a bad purchase but whatever

attachment is suffering

[wide parrot]

Get a thermalright cooler

Arctic fans are good and if you already have some and want them to mach that's totally fair

But please do not get a hyper 212

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Js2WGX/thermalright-assassin-x-refined-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-refined-se-argb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4gDQzy/thermalright-rk120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-rk120-se

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fhqNnQ/thermalright-royal-knight-120-8045-cfm-cpu-cooler-royal-knight-120

If you want the full black heatsink there's these

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zrP8TW/thermalright-assassin-spirit-120-evo-689-cfm-cpu-cooler-as120-evo

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/khJp99/thermalright-assassin-spirit-120-evo-dark-704-cfm-cpu-cooler-as120-evo-dark-d6-de

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zFwmP6/thermalright-assassin-spirit-120-vision-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-as120-vision-argb-black

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/79bRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120se-black

[tawny oxide]

These guys are fine, but they’re loud.

I did a deepdive into that brand a while ago due to their cpu coolers
Their entire lineup has a problem with sound

[primal remnant]

what is wrong with a hyper 212

thermalright's coolers seem to be really big

i've literally used hyper 212s for years and had a fine time

but i am not an overclocker so that might be it

[wide parrot]

Costs more than a single tower thermalright and performs worse

[primal remnant]

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-P14-Max-High-Performance-Controlled/dp/B09VH2HXM1 these look ideal for my 140mm front fans, i'll go for that

also, the hyper 212 black is like $16 on amazon right now

[wide parrot]

I would still get a $18 thermalright over that. I've used both coolers, and the thermalright is better

[primal remnant]

i see, i see

well, i'll look into these

might replace the fans with some super high static pressure stuff later down the road

single tower is good for me

[wide parrot]

The p14s should be fine. You really only need high static pressure for dense radiators in water cooling setups

Or tight server configurations

[primal remnant]

it also keeps the dust out

if the air is pushing out ikn all directions

due to pressure

[wide parrot]

You can create positive pressure just by having more intake than exhaust. Don't need particularly high static pressure ratings on the fans

[primal remnant]

yeah, i just liked the fans because they were powerful and have better rubber mounting stuff

seems like even if they go fast, the rattle is unlikely to be an issue

from vibration

[wide parrot]

Yeah they won't rattle but the motor and bearings will still be stupid loud

[primal remnant]

i wish i could just afford noctua fans

[wide parrot]

Eh, not really worth the price these days

[primal remnant]

the loudness happens when they spin up to max

ideally that doesn't need to happen always

my current CPU cooler has so much whine

the actual air noise doesn't really cause much trouble

[wide parrot]

They'll still be louder at medium speed than arctic or thermalright though. 25 to 44db is a big difference

[primal remnant]

oh, the ones i just posted were arctic max 14s

i realize there's a similar shape there

wait, apparently the P14 pro is newer and better?

i should go to that then

they also cost less.

lower RPM, similar CFM

[wide parrot]

Yeah pro looks like better value

[primal remnant]

i'll kit my case out with P14/P12 fans

top + back as exhaust, front + front-bottom intake

the intake will have two stronger 140mm fans

so it'll provide a bit more intake than exhaust.

i'll get a fan extension cable, the fans daisy chain to each other just fine but the cables aren't long

[wide parrot]

Your motherboard may have more than 1 header and you could do 2 and 2

[primal remnant]

yes, it does have two headers

[wide parrot]

Guess it depends on the size of your case as well

Mines small so the fan cables reach easy

[primal remnant]

i can daisy chain my bottom fan with my two front fans

then daisy chain the back fan with the two top

ezpz

extension cables will fix any issues and allow me to manage the cables a little bit

i hate having too many cables just hanging about

since it's daisy-chaining the wire right arouind the fans should be fine. if i have to, i can stuff some cable into the back and tape it down or something, if it won't reach around totally

this setup can be pretty legendary with the right stuff

i have old hardware right meow but i'm thinking i'll keep whatever i get for future use too

none of this stuff fails too quickly

long as you're good about removing dust.

oh hey, front takes 120mm also

i'm gonna just use a 5-pack, save some money. hell yeah cheap but good fans. i already have a P12 Pro PST

very little difference between 140mm and 120mm in the end, and equal intake and exhaust is cool

i wish i'd have gotten an ITX system, i really love ITX form factor despite its limits

i had an ITX tower in a fractal define nano

it was brilliant stuff

[primal remnant]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-SE-TL-C12B-TL-C12015B-Cooling/dp/B0DCNV5NHP also, this item sells me on thermalright

the ingenious use of a half-width fan and a bit less wide second tower means that you can have a push-pull, two tower design and not have RAM clearance issues

it's also cheap

[wide parrot]

Yup, it's nice. There's also this for a just a little more if you want the improved asthetics

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fhqNnQ/thermalright-royal-knight-120-8045-cfm-cpu-cooler-royal-knight-120

[primal remnant]

oh, aesthetics aren't important to me

i just want things to look relatively basic

i hate fancy RGB stuff for example

the aesthetic just doesn't suit me

not saying there's something wrong with wanting that

n ow see

this one looks rather nice

i actually (unintentnionally, it was just more affordable) ended up with a standard green PCB

i also use corsair vengeance LPX on purpose because it fits in that aesthetic.

so i guess i do have an aesthetic, just a very different one from most people

i'd have preferred a black or white motherboard, but $65 is too good to pass up

it's one of the ASUS business boards

[sleek tartan]

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-aio-radiator-size-396mm-x-120mm-x-27mm-amd-am5-am4-intel-1851-1700-white/p/N82E16835181482?Item=N82E16835181482&Tpk=35-181-482

Having some issues. D:
hopefully I just a reboot will suffice.

our Corsair pc looks beautiful and amazing

which is why we chose from Corsair

[primal remnant]

i remember the days of sharing a PC like 20 years ago

i had a cheap athlon XP system, shared it with my mom. she has used more linux than windjows.

she needs a steam deck for gaming, i think she'd be thrilled with it in place of her laptop

maybe a gift idea

[scenic lance]

can anyone recommend a minimalist case + psu + cooler combo for a 9800x3d & 5070ti

preferably no rgb & preferably no aio (had a liquid freezer ii 240mm in the past with issues)

[wide parrot]

atx, matx, or itx?

[scenic lance]

atx

[wide parrot]

ok

[scenic lance]

also just realized i'd prob be better with an aio

had woohooz (active guy in here) helping me out & he linked a pretty good build, just not a fan of the case tbh lol

and sketchy of unknown psu brands

[wide parrot]

there are dual towers that should be fine for a 9800x3d but I can do an aio too

[scenic lance]

🫡

this is the current build im considering

already ordered the ram

and everything else is fine, literally just contemplating switching psu, cooler, and case

[wide parrot]

that aio is good

[scenic lance]

yeah i'll probably keep it

i currently have a thermalright (not an aio though) and it's served me well so no complaints

[wide parrot]

Can turn off rgb if you don't want it

[scenic lance]

yeah

[wide parrot]

PSU seems good

looks grey? if you want a black one there's this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tWMTwP/cooler-master-mwe-gold-850-v2-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpe-8501-afaag-us

and lemme grab some atx cases

[scenic lance]

yeah that's nicer

and yeah i'd prefer darker/black colors

im colorblind anyways so i just dont really get anything out of having an rgb build

[wide parrot]

most atx cases are gonna have a psu shroud anyways

[scenic lance]

should i just get the original then

it's cheaper anyways

[wide parrot]

up to you, idk if one's better but I think they're both pretty good

[scenic lance]

does the brand not matter as long as it's gold certified?

[wide parrot]

there's a lot of factors tbh. Certification is the efficiency

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zJWJ7P/phanteks-xt-pro-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-bk01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bvTZxr/nzxt-h5-flow-2024-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-h52fb-01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ybNxFT/fractal-design-north-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-nor1c-02
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bCYQzy/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011200-ww

[scenic lance]

currently have a 4000d airflow, no problems with it but grown bored of it

also main one i was considering was the h5 flow

[wide parrot]

for fans
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wHpD4D/arctic-p12-pro-pst-77-cfm-120-mm-fans-5-pack-acfan00307a

[scenic lance]

but i thought that case was causing people's pc's to blow up or something, am i thinking of something else

[wide parrot]

H5 non-flow has terrible airflow

[scenic lance]

yeah i think i'll go with the h5

[scenic lance]

i thought the h5 flow came with fans

[bleak holly]

the Montech is a solid A tier psu.

[wide parrot]

just sent those in general because I sent multiple cases that might need fans

[scenic lance]

oh okay cool

do i pull the trigger then

[scenic lance]

i'll pull the trigger on that as well then

[primal remnant]

i'm buying a couple of P14 pros, and planning on kitting my case out with the 120s, over my current 120mm (used for exhaust)

they're very nice

i can't hear the one i have right now at all

[mighty girder]

Heared Montech X5 has a molex and is not good quality standered is that correct

[trim crest]

Kind of but not really. They are not pwm or dc speed controllable though so might as well be. It's definitely a budget quality case.

[primal remnant]

PWM is such a lovely kinda basic tech that does so much

[primal remnant]

kinda seems like when i get a K-series CPU i'm going to need the thermalright royal knight (not going to buy the nicer looking one for $5 more, it shouldn't make a difference)

[primal remnant]

i found t he arctic MX-6 i bought

applied t in place of MX-4

got like 20 degrees less temps in all areas

lm,ao

the thicker texture implies more thermally conductive material

it's so thick it's actually a bit challenging to apply

[wide parrot]

If you got a 20 degree difference either your mx4 was totally expired/faulty or your mx6 is absolutely insane

[primal remnant]

i think the MX-4 didn't settle right

i was afraid of applying too much

i used a blob method before but this time i just used like a thin X

seemed to work a lot better

[trim crest]

The center dot doesn't work well on lga1700. X worked well for me. Vertical line should work well too, or good old buttered toast. Mx4 also deteriorated after about a year for me, which was weird, I've never had to change out mx4 before. Added a contact frame and mx6 and dropped 9-10C.

The mx4 I put on a 6700k new with a 212 was still doing fine when I retired it a few months ago.

[primal remnant]

i have LGA1200 at this point, i'm well behind the curve

[thick viper]

i thought you said lga 1700 and i was confused how that was very behind the curve lol

[primal remnant]

the thing is, my i5-11400 is still just fine for playing games, so i'm not sure it's important right away to get something nicer

[thick viper]

nope i think you’ll be fine

[primal remnant]

and while i plan on streaming, i don't think that's a huge CPU cost because nvenc is a thing

[mighty girder]

Cosiar 5000D vs Fractual epoch

in terms of airflow

[wide parrot]

Ok, I want opinions on airflow/case fan setup. I originally made this beautiful mspaint image but then realized a photo might be better so that the scale is correct. Case side panel is mesh.

I have a different ram kit I want to use... but it's too tall and I can't raise the cpu cooler fan bc it will hit the side panel. I've thought about flipping the direction of the cpu airflow, but I think the fan on the cooler would likely be too close to the fan on the left. Maybe just remove that fan? Not sure though.

Realistically the ram is only marginally better so I could also just leave it be.

[trim crest]

Is this a lian li a3? The way you have it should be fine. I'd probably go top and rear exhaust with bottom intakes. A good general rule is positive pressure, more intake than exhaust. Filtered intakes. Try not to use top as intake. That's to help minimize dust buildup.
It would be weird for a single tower to overhang and not have full ram compatibility. Is it asymmetrical and on backwards? You could also just ditch the rear fan or move it and put the cooler fan on the left as a pull. That will make it a little less efficient than push since the pressure will be worse but it's minimal.

[wide parrot]

it's a Sama im01. Motherboard is itx which is why the ram is so close to the cooler

[mossy abyss]

yo, any good recommendations for a good case? white, glass on 2 sides, maybe a pretty unique design, and an atx mid tower case, any good examples?

$150 ish price max btw

[tawny oxide]

Montech XR?

Phanteks XT view?

Thermaltake View 270

[mossy abyss]

mid tower can hold 10 fans right? unlike those

im looking for a bigger case rn

bigger and better

i was think about the view 380 then its price increased so im reconsidering that

[mossy abyss]

i have a montech air 100 rn and sorta hate it

[tawny oxide]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2JnXsY/thermaltake-view-380-xl-tg-argb-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-11e-00m6wn-00

[trim crest]

Mid tower and full tower don't have any real set definition.

[mossy abyss]

is spending that much more for the xl really worth it tho?

[trim crest]

If you want a relatively good deal then the 380 or 380 xl, the antec c5, v100r, hs02 are worth looking at. Maybe the y40 if you like the vertical mount.

I also like the o11 mini v2 or the flow if you're not doing argb.

[mossy abyss]

u mean like the h7 flow?

also im swapping in new fans no matter what, they come on the 14th

[mossy abyss]

big fan of the v100r or hs02 tho tbh

[trim crest]

The flow version of the 011mini V2 comes with a set of plain fans.
I also forgot about the antec c3. The v100r white tends to be sold out and that's pretty close.

[mossy abyss]

eh, any that i can fit 3 fans on the bottom? my plan is to put 10 fans in, including aio fans

sorry i know this is like a lot of specifications i am looking for but at the same time im focusing heavily on looks rn instead of performance

[trim crest]

You'd probably want to look at dual chamber models then.

[mossy abyss]

yeah, i couldnt remember the word for it

[trim crest]

H9 flow, o11d, 6500x. You said you had a air 100 right? If you are keeping the matx board maybe the 2500x. I think phanteks has one like that too, can't remember the name.

[mossy abyss]

yeah air 100

and i plan to swap out of the matx after a few month of keeping this mobo

hold up ill send the build plan, ignore the case i have on it rn

@trim crest https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bwqJjn

i think im tied between antec c5 and nzxt flow h9

i do sorta like the unique fan angle, ergonomics, and size of the h9

not really a big fan of the pricing but i suppose its worth it

[tawny oxide]

Could go with my case

A Coolermaster Stacker 830

Need all those fans to do some proper airflow

[leaden bluff]

is this good? https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-atx-3-0-compatible-atx-3-1-compatible-850-w-80-plus-gold-certified-power-supply-cmg850/p/N82E16817182451?Item=N82E16817182451

[tame grove]

The airflow on the 217 is nuts.

[tame grove]

I would go with the montech century at that price or the MSI A850GS, or the ASROCK PG Line

[subtle lodge]

Goated https://www.igorslab.de/en/arctic-mx-7-thermal-paste-in-the-test-the-price-breaker-also-becomes-an-icebreaker-in-the-top-10/4/

[tulip granite]

I got a PSU OVP 3V Alert. Is this anything to be concerned about? 4090 + 7800x3d

this is under a short furmark run

[elfin trout]

Got anything that might use 3.3v? Sata devices maybe?

Most PSUs skimp on 3.3v protections nowadays since nothing really uses it

[tulip granite]

The only thing I have connected to sata is a fan hub

3fans I think

[elfin trout]

generally you're going to be fine

Fans use 12v from SATA power, argb 5v

If you have nothing that uses 3.3v, shouldn't matter if voltage goes a bit over

[tulip granite]

Does m2 and other pcie still use 3.3?

It’s on 12v now yeah?

[elfin trout]

It can use 3.3 but generally only 12v now

[tulip granite]

Ok then I’m probably ok

I’m on a x670

[tulip granite]

it reads 3.3V on the motherboard sensor in hwinfo but 3.7 on the psu

maybe a faulty sensor?

[bleak holly]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vp8t38UQC0s

[tawny oxide]

Okay

So

Wife wants an entire liquid cooling system

What do I need, what should I look for, and what do I need to find out

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D2dbPJ

Her pc

[wide parrot]

You buy a thermalright cooler and then firmly, yet politely, tell her that the rest of the budget will be going to a gpu upgrade and not a full loop

[elfin trout]

Easiest would be a cheap soft tube kit like this bykski kit, old but still decent, ofc still a lot more expensive than good old aio
https://www.formulamod.net/en-fr/products/bykski-b-hsrbw-ed-water-cooling-kit-soft-tube-kit-pump-radiator-reservoir-program-kits-for-intel-amd-computer-cooling-system

[tawny oxide]

That’s expensive

Sigh

[trim crest]

If $150 is expensive then you're really not going to like custom water cooling.
I also agree with steviejoe. There is no point spending money on watercooling old midrange parts. If something is overheating a good new cpu air cooler is $20-40 and repasting a gpu is like $5-20 assuming you have screwdrivers already, the higher end if the memory temps suck and you need to replace pads too.

[bleak holly]

That is incredibly cheap for a full water loop. A cheap but decent CPU loop typically costs north of $300.

We strongly recommend you not go custom or if the wife is very insistent, grab one of Alphacool's Modable AIOs such as the Eisbaer and slowly add rads and or change the tubes on that.

[elfin trout]

bykskii kit is going to be as cheap as you can get it without going used tbh, if that price is too high, probably shouldn't bother with it

[sharp lintel]

is a 750w going to be enough for a 9070xt and a 7800x3d

im not going to do any manual oc

[mild roost]

plenty

a 7800x3d only needs 88w of power

[subtle lodge]

[subtle lodge]

And in games it uses like half of that the majority of the time

[gusty arrow]

Which one is better?
https://www.bestbuy.com/product/corsair-rme-series-rm850e-80-plus-gold-fully-modular-low-noise-atx-3-1-and-pcie-5-1-power-supply-black/J39QHT23VT

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/corsair-rmx-series-rm850x-cybenetics-gold-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-black/J39QHTJW78

[bleak holly]

RM850X is slightly better, but get whichever is cheaper.

[gusty arrow]

how so?

[bleak holly]

Handles power spikes a little better if memory serves me right.

[trim crest]

Better fan and longer warranty too.

[gusty arrow]

how much psu watts do i need for this pc?
https://www.bestbuy.com/product/cyberpowerpc-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-16gb-32gb-ddr5-2tb-pcie-4-0-ssd-black/J3L7GQWGGS

[bleak holly]

Though as mentioned, the difference between the two is small so just get whichever is cheaper.

[bleak holly]

850 is fine for this.

[gusty arrow]

i also plan to add a 2tb hdd

does that change the watts req?

[bleak holly]

No.

[trim crest]

If you're going to replace it I'd see what it comes with first.

[bleak holly]

Well yes, but a tiny difference.

[trim crest]

They're usually junky but not always.

[gusty arrow]

it comes with a apevia psu and 2tb ssd

check the reviews

[trim crest]

Apevia yeah I'd replace that.

[gusty arrow]

its good for the most part even the mobo is good besides the psu

[gusty arrow]

to be fair i am on a cyberpowerpc rn and its been running for 6 years but idk the psu but i wanna upgrade for my fight simulatort

[shut moon]

Any Phantek case fan applications to change fan rpms without having to use bios

[wide parrot]

Argus Monitor or FanControl will do any fans plugged into motherboard

@shut moon

[shut moon]

Perfect thank you

[shut moon]

Bro I’m so lost I set the curves and still

[thick viper]

the two front fans, should they exhaust or input air? (they’re right in front of the gpu)

[trim crest]

I'd have them blowing at the gpu. What case is that?

[thick viper]

fractal north

yeah theyre blowing at the gpu right now, wasn't sure if it was maybe efficient to try and suck air out

[trim crest]

Pulling air out they'd be fighting for the same air the gpu is trying to blow upwards through itself.

[bleak holly]

Keep it as intake.

On a different topic.

I want to use dual GPUs for frame generation (my board supports the PCIE needed) but my PSU does not have enough 8pin connectors for both.

My 3070 has two 8pin connectors. Can I just use a singular 8pin or should I buy a 8pin to dual 6+2pin cable?

Both solutions will deliver the necessary power my 3070 wants.

Without power override, the 3070 draws 225 watts.

[trim crest]

Do you mean a pigtailed cable? Should be fine. If you mean just plugging a single 8 pin in when it needs two then that won't work, good chance it won't even post like that.

[bleak holly]

Option 1. Use a singular 8pin to 8pin for the GPU.

Option 2. Use a 8pin to dual 6+2pin for the GPU.

The GPU has two 8PIN connectors but does not use more than then what a single 8pin+PCIE slot can provide.

[trim crest]

It'll have sense pins and be able to tell there is a cable missing though. You can try but it should either give you a warning about it or just not post/turn on properly.

[bleak holly]

wouldn't option 2 solve this?

[trim crest]

A thing like that should work yeah. You'd also want to look at the label on the psu and see if it's multi rail and check the total amperage available at +12V before getting one of those.

[bleak holly]

I found one like this.

It's a Corsair SF1000. I will try checking the PSU tier list for info on it later.

[trim crest]

Are you missing some of the original cables? You could also just contact corsair about it. I've heard multiple people have new cables sent to them for free.

1000W and that would be single rail is more than enough for a 3070 btw.

Or was that using the 3070 as an accelerator and you have a different main gpu that takes 3x8 pin? Should still be alright though.

[bleak holly]

I am gonna use a 9070xt that takes 3x8pin as the primary gpu and I want to use the 3070 for both Frame Generation and 3D software like Blender.

[bleak holly]

Do you think Option 2 will work then?

.

the cable I was looking at

https://www.amazon.com.mx/SAAWEE-PCI-Express-alimentación-divisor/dp/B0DP6R4KB9/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?

[trim crest]

Seems expensive. Brand and stuff does matter if it's going to plug straight into the power supply. That one isn't clear to me but it looks like it would be a corsair 'type 4' and five copies of the same cable? I didn't do well in Spanish. The sfx model you have uses 'type 5' cables which have a smaller plug for the end that goes into the power supply.
If you get a simple adapter that plugs into the psu's cable like an extension that doesn't matter, it would be universal but I would try to find one that's explicitly 18AWG or, preferably, 16AWG though.

It doesn't say type 4 but it looks like it would plug straight into a power supply and the HX models it lists would be type 4. Maybe just a licensing thing because it's off brand so it can't be explicit about it? Type 5 would be for the sf series like you have or the rmx shift.

[bleak holly]

Thank you for pointing this out to me.

So look for a 18/16 AWG extension/adapter or a type 5 cable if plugging in directly

[trim crest]

Yep.

[bleak holly]

Would using two 6pin to 8pin adapters work as well?

[trim crest]

Most of the time going from 6 pin to 8 pin doesn't really change anything, you're just adding an extra ground and a sense pin. They both use 3 hot wires. I'm not sure how you're getting two 6 pins to work from though.

[bleak holly]

Amazon has very limited options so far

Having a hard time finding 8 pin female to dual 6+2pin male

Maybe I need to get a 8pin female to 8pin female to adapt to the 8pin male to dual 6+2pin male?

[trim crest]

I was looking through the type 5 cable sets on corsair and I think they might not even make one that goes into a pig tail. Maybe because of the smaller plug they don't want people putting up to 300W through it?
You could also get a 12vhpwr to 2x 6+2 pin. I don't know if corsair makes them but msi does, the a1000g comes with one. The 12vhpwr is universal, it's the same on both ends so that kind of cable could work with any power supply.

[bleak holly]

Is 18 or 16awg better?

[trim crest]

I'd try messagin their support and asking.

With AWG lower number = thicker wire and that means lower resistance and better.

[bleak holly]

Gotcha

[trim crest]

18 is standard for psu cables except 12vhwpr where 16 is standard.

[bleak holly]

Gotcha

How bad of a idea is it to basically daisy chain 12VHPWR? Or is it a non issue since 30 series has load balancing?

I found 12VHPWR female to dual 6+2pin male

[trim crest]

It's definitely 6+2s and not solid 8 pins? There are a lot of them where the two 8 pins plug into the psu to adapt older power supplies to work with new nvidia gpus and they'd look very similar.

That was how corsair did all of their first gen atx 3 stuff.

[bleak holly]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/aw/d/B0FMRW1MTK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1PPM84N42HU43&psc=1

[trim crest]

Yeah that should work.

[bleak holly]

I am desperate to get high FPS and not lose performance in blender lmao.

Thank you @trim crest for helping me out. PSUs are not my forte.

Oh wait issue

The Corsair SF1000 does not have 12VHPWR native. It uses a adapter for it.

[trim crest]

Oh you have an older one not the atx 3.1 version?

[bleak holly]

Oh lmao this is interesting, it's included 12VHPWR is 2x6 pin to 12VHPWR

So the plan will still work.

[trim crest]

Aren't you using the slots to plug in the 8 pins for the 9070xt though?

[bleak holly]

3/4 of the 8Pins slots will be used for the 9070xt.

2/4 of the 6 pins slots will be used for a fan hub and SSD.

The SF1000's solution for 12VHPWR is a adapter using dual 6pin male to single 12VHPWR male.

[trim crest]

It uses 6 pins on the end? Like it plugs into the same spot as the sata or molex cables instead of 8 pin like gpu or cpu cables?

[bleak holly]

Yeah

It's plugs into the SATA area.

[trim crest]

That doesn't sound right to me. Sata and molex have 3.3 and 5v pins to go with a 12v pin. Cpu and gpu are all 12v or ground.

[bleak holly]

Hmm I will investigate further.

Ohh okay

I misread the image.

[trim crest]

12v 2x6?

[bleak holly]

Wait now I am more comfused

[trim crest]

They changed the name of 12vhpwr to that when they did atx 3.1 even though the cable doesn't actually change.

pcie 5, pcie 5.1, 12vhpwr, 12v 2x6, 12+4 are all different names for the new nvidia plug.

[bleak holly]

Well isn't that confusing for the consumer.

Anyways it seems it is 8pin based on Google searches

[trim crest]

You already have the power supply?

[bleak holly]

Not yet.

I am buying the GPU and PSU in about a week or so once money arrives

I guess here's what I can do.

When I am home I will try and see if my RTX 3070 will post with a single 6+2pin.

So I found 8pin female to dual 6+2pin male adapters

[trim crest]

Looks like it has 6 8 pin plugs, so 3 for 9070xt, 1 or 2 for motherboard?, then you could get a 8 pin pcie splitter or another cable depending. Or just get a 5070ti lol.

[bleak holly]

My board takes two 8 pins.

I am thinking of the splitter route

Found this 8pin F to 2x6+2pin M made in 18awg.
https://www.amazon.com.mx/FFHDJL-alimentación-tarjeta-gráfica-máquina/dp/B0DKCR1QQ6/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?

The SF1000 to my understanding is 16awg, is there any risk in extending a 16awg with a 18awg cable?

[trim crest]

Not really. It just changes the max amps. Even at 18awg putting all 300W across 3 hot wires like would happen with a normal pig tailed cable is fine. It's at the limit of what you should do. That adapter is using separate wires for each plug so it's not as bad as that, at least on the downstream end where the adapter meets the gpu. More thin wires can be as good or better than fewer thick wires.
Higher resistance and same amps/current means more heat and more voltage loss. Like those people with the melting 5090 cables, the 16awg wires are rated for about 10Amps per, the wires rarely have trouble even at 20+Amps but when it's so imbalanced like that because of crap contact in the plug the plug ends up melting before the wire gets hot enough to melt the sheathing.

[bleak holly]

Gotcha.

Splitter will be fine then

I found 8pin F to dual 6+2 M cables which I will plug into the PSU's 8pin M to 8pin M.

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/aw/d/B072JR4H3N/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3KOUHYUNS6C1J&psc=1

It's cheap and fast delivery as well.

[bleak holly]

For now this will work, next is to figure out how I transplant the 9070xt and the RTX 3070 into the SSUPD meshroom when I get that case, I think I can squeeze it in if I remove the front panel between the frame and extender bracket.

[tepid rain]

Can someone recommend me specific psu for my 3060 ti and ryzen 5 5600 build?

[mighty girder]

https://support.fractal-design.com/support/solutions/articles/4000221703-difference-between-meshify-3-rgb-ambience-pro-rgb-models'

whar's the diffrence

[spare spear]

are the Asrock pro-g power supplies any good?

[lusty dagger]

Hello, I have an NZXT H6 Flow and I was wondering how many case fans im supposed to run for a i9-14900kf paired with rtx 5070ti, 32gb ddr5 ram and 2tb ssd

So far im currently theres 7 fans

3 for radiator

4 case fans

3 in the front

1 in the back

[trim crest]

That would be pretty standard. You could add the bottom intakes if you want and it could lower gpu temps a bit, should be fine like you have it though.

[grizzled sinew]

Do I go for regular to slim fans?

Regular fans work now but if I want to upgrade to a bigger card in the future I have to use slim fans

[woven thunder]

so i have a 280X case, and the drive bay rubber anti vibration grommets have failed to hold in the hdds. now the drive's spins are loud as heck as it vibes across the case with regular screws. what kind of rubber washer/stop can i put to dampen the noise?

[woven thunder]

supposedly slim fans push less air in than thick fans. some are able to try and be fast to make up for it, but slim are generally limited to a partial loss of what regular fans could do. if it is necessary for tight spaces, then you may go for it, though sometimes the difference in temps maybe minimal.

[tawny oxide]

Get more grommets

[woven thunder]

So it doesn't matter what kind? All will work as well so long as its the correct fit?

[grizzled sinew]

Ok that makes sense, also should I consider deshrouding a gpu so it fits

[tawny oxide]

Ask @tulip depot

[tawny oxide]

Should in theory

[neon badger]

Rm 850e???

[tawny oxide]

Good PSU

[tulip depot]

Huh? Wrong ping

[tawny oxide]

My b

[tulip depot]

Man I’m not even allowed to repaste my cpu you think my dad would let me do anything 😭

[subtle lodge]

This cooler is goated

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/air-cooling/scythe-big-shuriken-4-review/2

[woven thunder]

It didn't work...

or am i dumb an this noise is something else even though i hear it from the HDD

the hdd disk revs bein loud

[wide parrot]

Could be fans ramping up quickly, that sometimes makes a weird noise in my experience

[woven thunder]

thing is, i disconnected all the fans to verify it coming from this monster 8tb WD black hdd i got years ago

[bleak holly]

Well I think I know why my temps have been a few degrees celsius higher these last couple months.

[bleak holly]

Significant improvement.

The first picture I was about 2/3rd of the way done.

Used a toothbrush and beard brush.

[obtuse vessel]

Does anyone know a good, small case for a small form factor build? Something that could only fit a mini itx motherboard

[trim crest]

Is there some specific size requirement you're trying to accommodate for?

[obtuse vessel]

Small as possible that can fit a gtx 970 red msi GPU and all the other computer components

[trim crest]

So you're just doing a recase? You've already got an itx board and psu and stuff? And what cpu cooler?

[obtuse vessel]

Well, I've been collecting a bunch of pc parts that I've gotten for free for various reasons, and I'm throwing them together to make a tiny Linux pc to do stuff with. I don't have the psu, case, or case fan

So if I can find a case, I probably can figure out the psu and fan

[trim crest]

The case would be good to figure out before a psu, yeah. There are ones that require an sfx psu, some can take an sfx-l psu which is a bit longer, and some can take a normal atx psu. I'm assuming you want something relatively affordable?

[obtuse vessel]

Smaller = better in my case, but also consider price. I don't wanna pay a ridiculous amount for a case

[trim crest]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bRMHv4 Here's a few to look at. The jonsbo models and the lian li a3 are bigger and can fit up to matx motherboard and an atx psu. Sfx psus can be rather expensive too, almost never see anything decent under $100.

[woven thunder]

Big scrathing noise was from a 3rd party tiny 1 inch m.2 cooling fan. I took it out of the m.2 heat sink. I freaking swapped cooling from aio to air for nothing!

[tight sand]

what’s a nice case with fans that fits a atx mid mobo

[trim crest]

Not sure what you mean my mid mobo. Atx mid'tower' that fits a standard atx board but isn't huge like a full tower case?
Corsair 4000d frame rs, antec flux series, lian li 216, 217, v100r, o11 mini v2 flow, montech 903 on the cheaper end.

[tight sand]

well i have a b650 e - e wifi is that gros

[trim crest]

That's a normal atx sized board.

[tight sand]

oh so what type cases would fit it

[wide parrot]

Atx cases

Do you have a price range?

[tight sand]

anything with fans

😭💔

[wide parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nBFCmG/phanteks-eclipse-g370a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec370a_dbk01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kRQfrH/bitfenix-nova-mesh-se-atx-mid-tower-case-bfc-nse-300-wwgkw-4a

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xtsMnQ/diypc-argb-n5-bk-atx-mid-tower-case-argb-n5-bk

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3JQKHx/phanteks-xt-view-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523v1-dbk01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BXtLrH/phanteks-xt-pro-ultra-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-dbk01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gBzp99/lian-li-v100r-atx-mid-tower-case-v100rx

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Mjy8TW/corsair-frame-4000d-rs-argb-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011296-ww

[mortal falcon]

is there any cooling/ airflow differences between the o11 vision compact and the o11 mini?

[half crag]

I just put an arctic freeze iii pro, a tuf 5090, and a 9800X3D in a Lian Li A3-mATX.

After 3 hours of gaming it hasn't overheated.

[tight sand]

i’m installing my b650e onto my v100r

it doesn’t fit

😭😭😭😭💔💔💔

[tame cape]

never thought I'd hit the limits of my psu with a motherboard upgrade

apparently the 1080ti peaks at 350w+ and the 450w psu doesn't really like it

[wide parrot]

...mobo shouldn't be affecting gpu draw?

[tawny oxide]

Pcie lane

[tight sand]

i got an empty case with no gpu

😭😭😭😭

💔💔💔💔

5070ti hurting me

[tame cape]

I assume its because of the more i/o and few other factors

the real problem is the psu 12v dropping all the way down to 11.4v under load

[pallid isle]

The air bubbles in my Mystique have gotten worse as it has gotten cold, it's sounding rough much more often. At this point should I start looking at a Thermalright AIO, or just air cooler?

It's not cooling badly, it's actually still cooling well if anything, but I don't need it failing on me

[tawny oxide]

Air cooling supremacy

[pallid isle]

How are their coolers with LCD screens?

lol

Thermalright, I mean

[tawny oxide]

Pretty sure they released one last year, solid reviews

[trim crest]

In typical fashion for that brand they have a bunch of models competing with themselves. Frozen warframe, vision, and a fancier one with a big screen like the tryx.

[north mauve]

Are Asrock PSUs good? I'm a little skeptical of the low price point but they seem to get really good reviews.

right now I'm looking at the ASRock Steel Legend SL-1200G 80 PLUS GOLD

[trim crest]

It's okay. Do you need 1200w? Leaving options open for a 4090/5090 or similarly high power draw future card?

[north mauve]

I probably only need 1000 but I'd rather make sure

This thing is probaly going to end up with 5 drives and a Radeon RX 6800 XT

[trim crest]

Cybenetics publishes good reviews and have covered that model.

[north mauve]

Thanks!

[tulip depot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/edit?gid=931697732#gid=931697732

if they are cheap then yeah go for it

if you want that 1000+ range, id say a SAMA G1000 rn is your best value

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q7BFf7/sama-g1000-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-g1000-bkgff001-us

A- rating on the tier list, would be great for basically any gpu except a high end 5090

[north mauve]

Thanks!!

[north mauve]

Offhand, does anyone know a half-tower case that could fit ~6 HDDs and a 310-mm GPU? I've been looking at PCPartPicker but I'm finding things that seem to have exact 310mm clearance left over, and I don't want to take a chance on that - if there are other good tools to find out, please let me know.

[tawny oxide]

Buildcore is a good resource.

https://www.buildcores.com/

[north mauve]

Thanks!!

[tame cape]

happy to see they added more 3d models

[lavish hull]

thoughts on the super flower leadex VII 1000 w platinum on a 5070 ti?

[trim crest]

Super flower's higher end stuff are excellent power supplies. If hearing the fan ramp up and down will bother you then I'd get something else though. You didn't say if you meant the xg, xp or pro but they all share the problem of a crappy over aggressive fan curve. You'd also likely be more than fine with an 850W depending on cpu.

[lavish hull]

i wanted to get the 850W but it went out of stock so i just settled for the 1000W and the added bonus of future proofing

[lavish hull]

the pro

[bleak holly]

I am debating downsizing to a Lian Li Dan A3 Wood with a positive pressure setup to run a 360 AIO on the top, 3x120mm fans on the side to cool the RAM/VRMs and feed the AIO and a GPU with 3x120mm slim fans on the bottom as intake.

[lavish hull]

Whats the difference between the peerless assassin variants 1 2 and 3?

[tawny oxide]

Newer versions

3 is the best imo

[bleak holly]

Any ideas on if the Lian Li Dan A3 is a hot box?

What I'd most likely do is have 3x120x15mm fans on the bottom as intake, 3x120x25mm fans on the side as intake, and a AIO on the top in push/pull as exhaust with the rear fan set as intake.

[lavish hull]

best fan configuration for fractal north? i have the 2 stock 140mm, 5 arctic p12 pro case fans, and using thermalright peerless assassin 120 SE V2

[viscid patrol]

Front is always intake, top is ideally exhaust, rear should generally be always exhaust
PSU should intake from bottom if PC is not placed on carpet, and intake from case if placed on carpet

Don't put your case on carpet in any instance anyways because the PC gets way more dusty
Ideally have it on a stand next to the desk (or even mounted on the desk, like some standing desks)

[wide parrot]

With an air cooler top shouldn't necessarily be exhaust

[trim crest]

Some people like extra positive pressure. I like top as exhaust because it keeps the dust off.

[viscid patrol]

Multiple reasons for top exhaust and a few for intake
Top exhaust pros is that convection naturally also wants to make heat rise, also the GPU blows hot air up, and like covante said, it keeps dust off

Top intake pros is that it's extra case pressure, especially on cases with solid front panels

[wide parrot]

Yeah just don't want to "steal" air from the cpu cooler

[viscid patrol]

fair bit of setups (using AIO) may have the rad on the top of the case which also should be exhaust

[wide parrot]

Yes hence why I said with an air cooler

Aio top exhaust is def the move

[trim crest]

I agree with not 'stealing air from the cpu cooler'. I had the green one when I first built my pc but removing it dropped a couple degrees off the cpu in stress tests. The other top one actually helps for me. It's a 140 set to really low rpm, there was noticeable heat building up there without it.

[viscid patrol]

Similar setup to mine NGL
I just have a rear top exhaust but front top is just passive

[lavish hull]

what case?

[trim crest]

The original version of 4000d air.

[bleak holly]

I am having a hard time deciding if I should get the SF850 from Corsair or the V850 Gold SFX from Cooler Master.

It's a $10 difference and the V850 has more IO technically due to splitters but the SF850 is a higher tier.

[tawny oxide]

Check refurbished Corsair psus first

[bleak holly]

On the Corsair site itself or? The one I am looking at is a Refurbished - Excellent on Amazon.

[tawny oxide]

Corsair site

You have to Google refurbished Corsair psus

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/c/certified-refurbished/refurb-computer-power-supplies

@bleak holly

[bleak holly]

Ty

[tulip depot]

Why not get the Vetroo sfx

[bleak holly]

Way to much and lack of io

[tulip depot]

What country are you in again

[tawny oxide]

Mexico

[bleak holly]

Mexico

[tulip depot]

Oh

Ic

[bleak holly]

@tawny oxide so what does refurbished entail for Corsair?

[tawny oxide]

Just returned/unopened models from what I’ve seen

I’m using a rm750e that wasn’t opened

Got 3 year warranty for it free

[bleak holly]

I see.

So I lose some warranty period?

But get the box and all cables?

[tawny oxide]

I’m not sure
I think it’s either 3 or 5
But yeah, all box and cables

[tulip depot]

Ugh

3 is iffy at best

[tawny oxide]

Looks like a 90 day warranty

But you should be able to add more

[tulip depot]

For who knows how much

Prolly cheaper to get a new psu atp

[bleak holly]

Honestly I don't think PSU's just die

So I'd be fine with the shorter warranty

[tulip depot]

But still, short warranty on a non new psu is IFFY

[tawny oxide]

Wife is using a 850w from 2017 from them

Still fine

I don’t like Corsair
Except their psus
They’re high quality

I gotta find wife an AIO she can put in her pc eventually

She wants all water cooling

Gpu, cpu, everything

Someone sent that kit a bit ago, so I just gotta wait to upgrade her for that

[bleak holly]

This is annoying they deliver to essentially every major country except mexico.

[tawny oxide]

Bruh

[bleak holly]

I've been debating the Lian Li SP1000 SFX but it's not on any tier list.

[tulip depot]

That’s gonna be so expensive…

[tawny oxide]

Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh

[wide parrot]

custom water cooling loop... or... thermalright royal pretor and a gpu upgrade

[tawny oxide]

Custom water cooling loop

I wanna get her to a 3070 and 5700x first

[tulip depot]

if yooure gonnna do a custom loop you want high end specs...

[tawny oxide]

Counterpoint:
im poor

[tulip depot]

roomba

you
1 wont be able to afford a loop then
2 low end specs RARELY have waterblocks, esp gpus

[tawny oxide]

The lady gets what the lady wants

[tulip depot]

https://www.newegg.com/p/37B-0003-007S3 wow thats cheap

[tawny oxide]

Yeah surprisingly

[wide parrot]

It's also like, a quarter of the cost of a 3070

Maybe more

[viscid patrol]

im not sure if cheap is the right word

i wouldn't call it cheap, though it is cheaper than expected

[tulip depot]

most waterblocks i looked at were easily 200$ or so

[viscid patrol]

maybe due to age

[viscid patrol]

looks like it's heavily discounted due to age
even on the alphacool page, their 3090 blocks and such are 60% off

[tulip depot]

dang

they dont ship to usa anymore tho

[viscid patrol]

a few over 70% off

[tulip depot]

^

[viscid patrol]

yeah

due to tarrifs and such

but i suspect the newegg listing is also trying to get rid of old stock

[tulip depot]

mmm

[thorny kiln]

I recently upgraded my mobo, CPU, and AIO fans to the following:
Gigabyte X870-E Aorus Master
x3 Noctua NF A-12x25 Fans
AMD Ryzen 9950x3d
AIO - Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro 360

I noticed my CPU idle temp has been unusually high (sitting at low to mid 60s) and went to go re-adjust my fan curves. my AIO fans are not controlled via the same cable as the AIO and so I set them to monitor based off of CPU temps. Yet BIOS and gigabyte control center are reporting that at 100% fan speed they are only running at 850RPM. Despite the fact that in another fan slot, I have 3 more of the same fans that at 80% are running at a reported 1300RPM. Im not sure what the cause of the issue is since I know the fans are capable of running at full speeds. I have yet to re-apply thermal paste to the AIO since it was doing fine before the fan swap from the stock AIO fans

Idle CPU usage sits around <10% consistently

[tame cape]

have you checked if all fan headers are set to pwm in bios?

[thorny kiln]

Yep they are!

The sys2 fans are the exact same make and model noctuas and they seem to run fine. Not sure if it's a result of daisy chaining the AIO fans together somehow but the sys2 header also has 3 fans running off of it

[tame cape]

let me get this right, your aio fans are daisy chained to sys3 which is a regular header just like sys2?

[thorny kiln]

so i have 2 CPU headers and like 6 system headers. but total I have 8 fans. 4 intake 4 exahust. 2 of them are individually plugged in to system headers. the bottom 3 intake fans are daisy channed together and connected via sys2. The 3 AIO fans (acting as exhaust) are daisy chained together and plugged into sys3. CPU_FAN and CPU_OPT are my AIO vrm fan and AIO pump

my current best guess is that the AIO fans for whatever reason arent getting enough power (even tho the bottom 3 fans (linked the same way) are doing fine

[tame cape]

personally, I always had problems with gigabyte bios fan control, idk if it has improved on newer motherboards but I had fans not spinning despite the curve being at high pwm

[thorny kiln]

its just weird to me that most 5/8 fans run just fine

[tame cape]

it's unlikely power related since those three fans together shouldn't pull more than .5a, each header should provide at least 1a

you could try using fan control in windows and playing with the speeds, see if anything changes

[thorny kiln]

like another software? bc iirc windows 11 doesnt have built in fan control

[tame cape]

yeah, there's a program called FanControl

very useful and full of features. I use it on every build.

still it hasn't solved issues with all my gigabyte boards

[thorny kiln]

any reccomended fan curves?

[tame cape]

click the wrench icon and select the option to identify fans

[tulip depot]

this is what i use

[tame cape]

that depends on many factors, but since you have noctuas you can probably run them close to 40% idle and still have them be quiet

[thorny kiln]

im assuming check the box

[tame cape]

yeah

just in case

[tame cape]

most curves will end up being like linear or exponential to balance noise and airflow

[thorny kiln]

still looks like this

[tulip depot]

did you run the auto check

[thorny kiln]

like the assisted setup?

[tulip depot]

yeah

use that

[thorny kiln]

it seems like its doing its thing

appreciate ur guys' help btw. I never have issues anymore and then i decide to spend like 3k on upgrades and my life turns upside down xD

[tame cape]

gigabyte's curse

[thorny kiln]

i used to have a gigabyte board. then i went to asus for a while. hated armory crate. went back to gigabyte

alrighty

[tame cape]

three dots > manual control

then you can manually increase speed for each fan

[thorny kiln]

so i can prob assume Fan #4 is the AIO

[tame cape]

likely yes

[thorny kiln]

i increased it and the speed went down xD

[tame cape]

also check the box for force apply

idk if that makes a difference really

[thorny kiln]

yea 100% is at 844RPM

i wonder if i just plug the fans directly into headers

if theyll run at full speed

bc then my idea of power issue might be valid

or if i unplug one of the fans from the chain

[tame cape]

at this point that's the next thing to try

still keep one fan on the "broken" header

[thorny kiln]

ill leave 2 on it since there are 3 total

should i just leave the PC running for this

[tulip depot]

wait

[thorny kiln]

waiting

[tulip depot]

what fans, and how many per daisy chain

[thorny kiln]

total? I have 8 noctua fans. 5 of them are nf-a14x25 and 3 are nf-12x25

and i have x3 a12's daisy chained together

and x3 a14's daisy chained

3 going to one fan header 3 going to another

[tulip depot]

ok the a12's are fine

[thorny kiln]

and then the remaining 2 fans are just solo plugged in to 1 header each

[thorny kiln]

the a14s are the ones mounted to my AIO

[tulip depot]

the a14s should be fine too

those are only .2A

[thorny kiln]

exactly

[tulip depot]

is it displaying 800 and runnning at 800 or is it displaying 800 and running at normal speed

[thorny kiln]

its displaying at 800 but all my fans are so silent i couldnt tell ya

i have 4 exhaust. 3 of them are AIO fans. the one that isnt an AIO fan feels like its pushing out more air

want me to take a vid? maybe u can visually see it

[tulip depot]

youll have to put a light up to the fans and check

turn all the others off and then look for the one spinning the fastest

[tulip depot]

ooh ok you do already know which are problematic

[thorny kiln]

yea its the 3 mounted to the AIO

the ones on top

theyre daisy chained together

[tulip depot]

what are they plugged into

CPU_FAN? or a regular fan header

[thorny kiln]

reg fan header. CPU_FAN and CPU_OPT are taken up by my AIO pump and AIO VRM fan

[tulip depot]

aio

what

[thorny kiln]

my AIO has a cable that comes off of it

[tulip depot]

AIO vrm fan?

[thorny kiln]

yes

well not VRM fan but a fan header that is labeled VRM

[tulip depot]

uhhhhh

[thorny kiln]

this is my AIO
https://www.arctic.de/us/Liquid-Freezer-III-Pro-360/ACFRE00180A

i was using the all in one cable before the fan swap

[tulip depot]

hmmmm

[thorny kiln]

now im using the three-headed cable bc i didnt wanna power the fans through the AIO

[tulip depot]

try the all in one cable, then put the aio fans on CPU_FAN

[thorny kiln]

i had done that originally and had the same issue

[tulip depot]

huh

[thorny kiln]

which is why i swapped to the other one

[tulip depot]

ima be so honest, i dont know how to solve this

sorry man

[thorny kiln]

glad we're on the same page xD

lemme try unplugging one of the AIO fans from the daisy chain

and see if it kicks up to normal RPM

because technically I have a total of 8 fan headers on this mobo

6 for non-CPU usage

if i need to i can run each one to an individual header. Pain in the ass but whatever

Alright they're all individually plugged in now

Let's see

Mmmm all 3 still reporting low

[tame cape]

that's odd

[thorny kiln]

I could try plugging in one of the older stock fans

See what it reads

[tame cape]

even if you plug one on sys2?

[thorny kiln]

Let's see

[tulip depot]

might be a fan issue

[thorny kiln]

I just plugged in one of the stock fans that came with the AIO into system 3 and unplug the rest of it, and it's running at 1500 RPM

So yeah. It has to be defective fans

[tame cape]

that aio stock fans should spin at up to 2500 if I'm correct

[thorny kiln]

At max yea

My CPU was at 39° in BIOS so fans were spinning at like 40 or 50%

They worked fine honestly but because I was using that all in one cable I couldn't regulate fan speed without adjusting pump speed. And so the fans were constantly running at 100% and they started rattling because the bearings gave out

But now that I have the separate fan controller cable I might be able to tune them down so that they don't rattle

[tame cape]

did you confirm the noctuas were not spinning 100% speed and not reporting wrong speed?

[thorny kiln]

Yeah. All my other knocked to a fans I can feel the air being pushed out even at 40%. These felt like I could have took a breath out and pushed more air

[tame cape]

it's very odd that all three noctuas are faulty

could try connecting one at a time on different headers like cpu or pump and having them set to 100%

[thorny kiln]

I did buy them together. So I agree with you that it does seem strange but then again if they were manufactured together this chance they were faulty together. But I did try plugging them into a whole bunch of different headers and they all read the same 500-800 rpm

[tame cape]

you tested all of them individually, no splitters no daisy chain?

[thorny kiln]

Correct

And all my other noctuas are reading out normal speeds for their temps

[tame cape]

they might be broken then. that's the last thing I expected...

[thorny kiln]

I know. I've had a lot of them over the years and I've never had a faulty one let alone three

[tame cape]

you could keep them as spares or use them on other pcs

[thorny kiln]

Noctua might ask for them back

For testing

[tame cape]

🤷‍♂️

[viscid patrol]

best part of mobo software is that you don't need them on a desktop

[tulip depot]

before you set anything in stone

try it in a working fan port

[thorny kiln]

Like here I have 2 noctuas plugged in with 1 stock fan. It's reporting 2200rpm and the stock fan is spinning at that for sure but the noctuas are still slow

[viscid patrol]

make sure the fan control method in bios is set to pwm and not dc and not auto

if you have a multimeter, you can probe to make sure the port is also supplying 12v

[thorny kiln]

This is a single noctua fan that was not working right plugged on its own into a known working fan port at 95% speed

[tulip depot]

ok then yeah faulty fan

RMA it to noctua

[thorny kiln]

Yep!

[viscid patrol]

wonder how 3 of them broke

[tulip depot]

voltage surge to that port?

[tame cape]

btw when moving fans between headers you can keep your pc on if you're careful not shorting anything out

[thorny kiln]

To 6 diff fan ports?

Doubtful

[tulip depot]

it would break the fans

[thorny kiln]

Yea that's what I did

[tulip depot]

so then theyd be fried after taht

[viscid patrol]

were they shipped together? was the package damaged

[thorny kiln]

Nope package was fine but yes they were shipped together

[viscid patrol]

i have my doubts about a manufacturing defect affecting 3 units that all went in your hands, since noctua does have good QC and should have probably caught that the batch was failing before they shipped them probably

[thorny kiln]

IDK man. I got 5 other fans saying it's okay and 3 saying something isn't working

Like I understand your reasoning and that's why I wasn't so quick to jump to that as a conclusion because I've never had a broken noctua fan in my life

[tame cape]

are the faulty fan hubs hot when set at 100%?

[thorny kiln]

No. They're warm to the touch but they're not hot

[tame cape]

well I don't really know then...
I'm going to get some sleep, hope you figure out why the fans gave up

[thorny kiln]

I appreciate all your help have a good night man

[viscid patrol]

just quickly go in the bios and check to make sure it's set to pwm mode for the headers connected to the noctua just in case for whatever reason some fans are working fine on dc and the others dont
if that doesn't fix it or was already set, then idk other solutions

[thorny kiln]

It is. All my headers are set to PWM except for my pump

[viscid patrol]

oh well

[thorny kiln]

Oh wow

I must be absolutely stupid

800rpm written right there

[viscid patrol]

ah yeah you bought the LS variant

lol

you also wrote the wrong fan model

(though the 120mm also had a low speed variant)

[thorny kiln]

didnt i say a14x25?

i guess i forgot the LS

wow. i caused ya'll all this trouble

thats my bad xd

[viscid patrol]

a least from this message, you said "x3 Noctua NF A-12x25 Fans" which i googled and saw that it should be 2k rpm lol

[thorny kiln]

yea thats my bad then

[viscid patrol]

lol

at least our mystery is solved

[thorny kiln]

yea i guess noctua QC is fine lmao

[viscid patrol]

for case cooling, low speed should probably be fine especially with the amount of fans you got

[thorny kiln]

yea but theyre my AIO fans and they're exhaust fans so id like them to be running at at least 1000rpm

[trim crest]

I'm not sure why they even sell those. The normal ones come with a low speed/noise adapter that slows them down.

[thorny kiln]

right?

and the fact that the only thing differentiating them is "LS" in an already very long and technical description is not it

Like "Noctua NF-A14x25 G2 PWM, Premium-Quality Quiet 140mm PC Fan, 4-pin (Brown)"

wasnt long enough

so we added LS in there somewhere

[viscid patrol]

i wonder if the ls is lower cost? though that doesnt really make much sense either

i wonder if the ls is just the low speed adapter built in?

if you feel on the cable, do you feel a resistor

[trim crest]

Looks like they are both $35 per.

[thorny kiln]

no its not

its the exact same

[trim crest]

*45 I was looking at the 12s.

Did you check on a return?

[viscid patrol]

idk why they do then

[viscid patrol]

also for aio fans it probably would have been better to get the p14 instead of a14 (p14 is pressure optimized, a is airflow optimized) (though both should work it fine)

[trim crest]

A is both and that's all there is for gen 2. F is flow.

[viscid patrol]

oh? interesting

my fans are still using p lmao

good and reliable
though my meshify c case fans included are also still functioning so

[trim crest]

I have the original a12-25s as case fans. Needlessly fancy but I like looking at them.

[viscid patrol]

ngl i was kinda waiting for my meshify c fans to die to get more noctuas but they are still perfectly fine and similarly quiet

[thorny kiln]

was gonna say. They make a p14 fan (pre gen 2) that is HORRIBLE compared to the a14 gen 2 series

and its like $20 iirc

hlaf the price

half the performance

[trim crest]

They don't put out new models very often. I have one of those for top exhaust.

[thorny kiln]

yea

[tawny oxide]

Does anyone have any experience with CCFL kits?

[viscid patrol]

???

cold cathode florecent lights?

what do you want to do with it? i personally want to avoid florescent lighting since it's hazardous waste (when you want to get rid of it when it dies or breaks) from the mercury

[tawny oxide]

I have two tubes in my pc. Missing a tube cap. Wanted to know if it was worth replacing the cap, or doing another form of lighting.

They are still functioning from 2007 till now.

[viscid patrol]

hmm
the cap couldnt be that pricy right

[tawny oxide]

Nah, but it’s impossible to find a correct fit

[viscid patrol]

you'll probably even be able to 3d print something with tpu

[tawny oxide]

Don’t got a 3d printer to make one either

[viscid patrol]

rip

maybe you could use silicone putty

[tawny oxide]

Would that keep any dangerous stuff leaking?

[viscid patrol]

i doubt the tube would explode just from sitting in a pc
if you break it from dropping it, it probably wouldnt since the outer tube would possibly break as well lmao

[tawny oxide]

It’s a plastic tube

[viscid patrol]

a 19 year old plastic tube

[tawny oxide]

Yes

[viscid patrol]

i think silicone putty would be as good or better as the old cap considering that the old cap is gone

[tawny oxide]

Not having a cap makes it not light up on the top

[viscid patrol]

what happened to the old cap

[tawny oxide]

I have no idea

It disappeared

[viscid patrol]

magic....

maybe this could be a sign that it's time to change to leds idk

[tawny oxide]

Havent been able to find it in months, so now I need to figure something out

Well, the bottom works fine. Maybe that can stay. Idk what kind of LEDs could work here

I am not well versed in lighting fixtures in pcs lmao

[viscid patrol]

just get argb and you could set to w/e colour you want

make sure to get one that includes a diffuser or get a seperate diffuser for it

[tawny oxide]

Would you be able to find something for me?
My pc is very long

Mine is, from very end to end, 24 inches long

[viscid patrol]

hmm
im just remembering that aliexpress has a 30% tariff in the us currently i think

[tawny oxide]

Ah shit

That’s where I was looking

https://vetroo.com/products/led-strips
vetroo has onev

[viscid patrol]

not a bad price for something like that

make sure it's local though because afaik the 30% tarrifs is for stuff from china specifically, also i'm not 100% sure that it applies for stuff like led strips like this as well

i just have a friend that is lamenting that they cant buy their random shit off ali now because they dont want to pay the extra 30% lmao

[bleak holly]

@fallow basin has a printer.

[fallow basin]

I have been summoned

I mean if he sends the file I can print it and mail it

But I don't have TPU just PLA+ and ABS

[bleak holly]

What's the difference between them?

[fallow basin]

tpu is a very bendy, kind of elastic filament

abs is for overall strength and temp resistance

pla is strong but brittle, pla+ is less brittle and more strong

he could use a PLA+ cap and put hot glue on the inside as a sealant for a permanent fix

[bleak holly]

So ABS is stronger and less flexible than PLA+?

[fallow basin]

abs is more impact resistant and good for high-ish temps and repeated stress
pla is stiffer but brittle, snaps under too much pressure, good for parts that either support something on a simple scale or are just static

abs is slightly more flexible to its advantage

pla's advantage is being rock solid unless its thin or under too much bend stress

[bleak holly]

I am trying to figure out if I should use PLA+ or something stronger for my case idea.

[fallow basin]

pla+ will work fine

[bleak holly]

Currently I picture the board, ram, and hubs in a front chamber then the GPU (vertical) with the AIO (horizontal side mount) both exhausting with fans on the bottom and top both set to intake in the front and rear chamber.

[fallow basin]

man when will i unlock techie finally

[bleak holly]

This way the GPU, CPU, VRMs, RAM, PCB, and PSU all get fresh air.

[fallow basin]

good plan

pla+ is good just dont drop it lol

[bleak holly]

Using the airports measurement I should be able to build the case within 41 linear inches. The Dan A3 is about 37.5 linear inches.

United Airline's Carry-On bag size limit is 45 linear inches for perspective. @fallow basin

[fallow basin]

niceee

ur good then

[bleak holly]

How cautious we talking?

[fallow basin]

ultimate smuggling pc build /j

[fallow basin]

set it on desk gently and dont fumble it while standing

[bleak holly]

Cause I want to load this with dual 64mm deep 360mm radiators when I do a custom loop

[fallow basin]

if you can, glue rubber things to the bottom

[fallow basin]

at that point thatll be one of the supporting skeletal aspects lol

[bleak holly]

I am borrowing the amazing Thermal take Tower 900's dual chamber design with bottom and top intakes for the design

Just much more compact

[fallow basin]

cool

another thing to note with abs

it must be printed in an enclosure so hot aitr and fumes stay in

(you buy get printer enclosures)

cause abs warps easily

[bleak holly]

Gotcha which the SV06 does not have by default

[fallow basin]

and fumes toxic, cause cancer

[fallow basin]

yeah but they cheap dont worry

[bleak holly]

Is there anything stronger than ABS/PLA+ the SV06 can print without costing a kidney and half a liver?

I am thinking of making all the panels 3mm thick and the racks inside ideally 1-2mm.

Though thinner is always welcome wherever possible

[fallow basin]

there is another, PETG
more impact resistance (less than abs still)
more heat resistance (less than abs)
cheap

its like abs but cheaper and slightly lower specs lol

wouldnt recommend when abs is an option

theres also PC (yes its called PC filament lol)

polycarbonate-blend

make sure when buying that its PC-blend

its more expensive but its one of the strongest consumer filaments

good for high stress brackets, gears, tool parts, load‑bearing components

even stronger is Nylon filament (PA12 or PA6 blends)
extremely tough, flexible, impact‑resistant, absorbs shock and stress better than almost any consumer filament, best for hinges, gears, mechanical parts, anything that must not snap

the absolute strongest non exotic is nylon-carbon fiber

which i think you said no to cause of cost

but its insanely strong

most expensive of them all

[bleak holly]

Gotcha. Hmmm

So Nylon and CF-Nylon are not toxic and my strongest options?

Seems the SV06 requires modded to print Carbon fiber filament

[fallow basin]

nylon is not seriously toxic but can cause many different types of irritation so always print enclosed and with a fan pointed out the window
CF-nylon is toxic and causes worse things so do the same

they're a full magnitude below abs's toxicity but better to be safe

[bleak holly]

Seems Nylon also requires tinkering to the printer

[fallow basin]

Yes you need a hardened nozzle

[bleak holly]

Man this keeps getting more expensive...

Guess I am stuck with PLA+ in the meantime

[fallow basin]

you should just use pla+ lol

in my experience its strong enough for many things, especially when printed solid thick

[bleak holly]

Yeah I think I am gonna do that

How thick do you think I'd need to print it?

I want it to be solid enough to handle transit and lots of vibration during flight

[fallow basin]

the motherboard holding part at least 3mm

[bleak holly]

The backbone should be 3mm minimum. Noted.

What of the racks that will eventually be holding 405x125x64mm rads?

[fallow basin]

those can be like 2mm but the ends should be well reinforced by being connected to thicker parts

it needs to be thin enough at the screw parts to screw a screw in

[bleak holly]

Noted.

With everything setup I did the math and this case will hold 18 fans with one rad.

6 intakes for both chambers

120mm fans

And push/pull on the rad will bring it to 18.

[fallow basin]

nice

[bleak holly]

The Mercury has honestly mind boggling temps so I don't see myself putting a loop on it anytime soon.

Performs basically the same as a water locked 9070xt

[tawny oxide]

How do I make file

[fallow basin]

well

youd need to find the file

or 3d scan the tube end and create a cap for it

[tawny oxide]

There is no file

No idea how to 3d scan

[fallow basin]

then you're just gonna have to retire it

[tawny oxide]

[fallow basin]

you can get an app for newer iphones that lets you scan stuff with the front camera

but then youd need to know how to create and edit 3d files

[tawny oxide]

I have an iPhone 11 Pro

[fallow basin]

sadly that does not have a LiDAR scanner

[tawny oxide]

Why am I POOR

[viscid patrol]

My main concern is really just that idk if the cap would make the tube light up properly
The finger did make it slightly brighter but it still didn't look anything like the other tube did

So I'm not exactly sure if it is worth the time and money to try a cap considering the lack of a 3d printer in person and silicone putty isn't the cheapest thing in the world and you need to buy a fair amount that might just sit and dry out or smth idk (it's 2 parts like epoxy but idk the shelf life of it being opened)

[bleak holly]

@fallow basin how long should I dry Elegoo PLA+ before using it for prints?

[fallow basin]

I usually just turn on the dryer right when I start printing but for true dryness leave it on drying overnight before printing

then print in the morning

[viscid patrol]

New sealed spools should theoretically not be too wet
Main concern is just spools stored in open air for a while

[bleak holly]

It can feed the 3D Printer and dry at the same time?

[viscid patrol]

You'll know if you have wet filament

[fallow basin]

yes

[viscid patrol]

It will make sounds and the print would be bad

[fallow basin]

i recommend getting a nylon filament tube to connect the two

[bleak holly]

Oh awesome that's way better than the one my school had

[bleak holly]

.... Sounds expensive. Is this to keep it dry while feeding?

[viscid patrol]

Tube probably would be like 2 bucks