cases-psu-and-cooling

[pallid isle]

Also, what exactly does "Cybernetics gold, no 80+ rating" mean?

Another thing, is there aq meaniningful difference between ATX 2.x and 3.x?

Okay I read something about it, is 3.x really that important on current gen hardware?

Also working on my parents' computer, is AliExpress the best place to look for a cheaper 8700G? They're $280 from any site that PCPP lists.

[bitter sentinel]

What case is it

[young nova]

Darkflash dy470

[young nova]

Do u think removing those is easy ?

[bitter sentinel]

Slow down

Darkflash is brand new to the case scene so I'm looking it up for you lmao

like, reviews have only been out for a few months

[young nova]

Wait do i need to fully remove the pump and the cooler itself ?

Not only fans ?

Cause why case matter in this case

[bitter sentinel]

You can't reach all the screws holding the fans in without at least lifting the radiator up and out of the case

[young nova]

Shit

[bitter sentinel]

That's why

So from what I'm looking at here, it appears there's 2 thumbscrews towards the top, on the back of the case

those hold the top panel on

and then there's 2 more thumbscrews on each side panel holding the sides on

how long ago did they build you the PC

bc honestly this is something where I'd be taking it back to the store

the type of fans that were included with your AIO are called "High static pressure" fans

[young nova]

The original ones that come with ?

[young nova]

A day

[young nova]

So no chance of me doing it ?

[bitter sentinel]

if it was literally a day ago

just go back with the computer

tell them you want the original fans on your AIO because they were the high static pressure ones

and if they say they no longer have them, or they threw them out, or something

just say that's fine they can refund you for the retail cost of the fans and you'll go buy them

[young nova]

@bitter sentinel the issue is the case is too big and i have lost the case cartoon so i have no idea how to take this big beast

I was hoping that the fan replacing process is easy so i can take their own fans out and get back my aio fans

[bitter sentinel]

I mean you can do it yourself, but this is definitely something they should do for you

for free

it's a lot of work for someone to do on a brand new PC

[young nova]

Yeah but the part of moving this heavy case is hard too

[bitter sentinel]

Did they give you warranty on this computer

[young nova]

Yes

[bitter sentinel]

because going in and changing parts yourself, when you have no idea how to do it, is an easy way for you to wind up voiding your warranty

[young nova]

yeah thats true

But how im supposed to lift the case then

Without the case cartoon

[bitter sentinel]

carefully

[young nova]

Its too heavy

And im living in apartment so the staris are also an issue

[bitter sentinel]

I don't understand why you got rid of the case box immediately

[young nova]

Atleast with the cartoon i had something to grab ob

[young nova]

😂😂 cause it was too hard to open the pc

and get it out

Im an injured gym guy

And definitely the case is wayy to heavy with the parts on

[bitter sentinel]

All the more reason to have the box in the future

it gives you handles

[young nova]

yes

[bitter sentinel]

it's gone gone? or it's just in the dumpster for your apartment building

[young nova]

Yeah its gone

[bitter sentinel]

honestly this might be a new record

1 day

[young nova]

😎

[bitter sentinel]

My company puts a label directly over the power button on every PC we sell

[young nova]

But in the reality it was the first hour

[bitter sentinel]

it says Keep all your packaging

[young nova]

When i reached home

[bitter sentinel]

So if someone turned their PC on... they removed the label

but also we do most of our business online, so if someone needs their computer serviced, they need to ship it back to us

[young nova]

Honestly im cooked i might end up asking someone for helping me taking it

I will cover it with a blanket or clothes

Im injured in my right arm because of the gym

Too

This is heavy workout 😅

[bitter sentinel]

Basically here's what you need to know:

1. The fans that originally came supplied with your AIO were "High static pressure" fans, designed to push air through a radiator more easily. It's a thing, it matters for temperatures and hence for the longevity of the CPU - even if the case has lots of other cooling.
2. They need to make this right by swapping out the fans they put onto your AIO with the ones that originally came supplied with the AIO. If they claim to no longer have them, saying they threw them out or got rid of them or whatever, it's very likely one of the employees took them. So just say that's not your problem, you paid for the fans so they're your property.

[young nova]

They offered me a whole new LIQUID

i bought mines for 175$ , and they said they no longer have lian liquid ones

So can you suggest me a good liquid for around 200$ that works fine ryzen 7 9800x3D

[bitter sentinel]

I mean the best liquid cooler on the market right now is the Arctic Liquid Freezer III, as far as cooling performance

There are others that cost more but they perform worse

Check this out on @Newegg:ARCTIC ACFRE00184A Liquid Freezer III Pro 360 A-RGB AIO CPU Cooler, Water Cooling 38 mm Radiator, AMD AM5/AM4, Intel LGA1851/1700 (Black) https://www.newegg.com/p/2YM-004H-00079?item=9SIA2W0KER9629

Holy share link

Idk why Newegg mobile app does that

There

[young nova]

They look so bad

Lian li one had the best look

What u think about asus rog strix lc 2 ?

[bitter sentinel]

You don't like the look of this?

the ROG Strix is fine I guess. It just doesn't cool as well

I'm a little weird about this, I don't like spending more for a worse product even if it looks nice

[young nova]

Yes

It looks like xigmatic or some Chinese thingy

[bitter sentinel]

strange. it's german engineered but ok

[river silo]

so i am looking to hook my old pc that has a corsair cx550m. I cannot find the cable that goes from the psu to the wall. am i able to get a replace cable or am i out of luck?

[bitter sentinel]

the cable that goes from the power supply to the wall is standard

you can get a replacement at basically any electronics store

[river silo]

oh thats great news been 3 years since used that once since build new one.

thank you so much

[bitter sentinel]

No worries at all

[young nova]

What u think about nzxt kraken 360

This better or asus one

[pallid isle]

Is the price difference between a 900W and a 1000W usually much of anything?

[elfin trout]

There's a jump in price from 850w to 1000-1200w units, but generally the big jump in price is going from 1200w to the 1600w units

[pallid isle]

Looking to get a PSU right now, assuming it's going to be cheaper, because I'm pretty much going to go all out when Zen 6 and UDNA come out and give my brother my computer, from what I have gathered 1000W would be the better choice over a 850W. Is that likely correct?

[elfin trout]

It's much more dependent on the unit than anything else, but tbh it's dependent on what the next gen looks like

[pallid isle]

I'm going based on the transients I could find for the 7900 XTX

Well I thought I had seen 600W

[elfin trout]

Should get a 850w unit

[bleak holly]

A good 850W unit can handle most parts. 1,000W is my personal preference for high end systems just for peace of mind.

[limber knoll]

Does anyone know any softwares to set a fan curve of the motherboards pwn connectors for asus boards? I. Trying to set a curve for my aio coolant or gpu but can only do the cpu from bios

[elfin trout]

Fancontrol should still work rn

[pallid isle]

Or I guess it would probably be better to wait?

[bleak holly]

Power Supply Units aren't the thing that usually require waiting for since their prices hold very steady.

I recommend the Montech Century II 1050W or Enermax Revolution D.F.2 1200W.

Both are under $150

[pallid isle]

I mean to see what Zen 6 and UDNA will need

[bleak holly]

If it needs more than 1200 watts your house breaker is going to be an issue.

[pallid isle]

Yeah

[versed quest]

M3 screws are the ones for mounting a motherboard, right? If so, I cannot for the life of me get them to thread in the standoffs in my Fractal Torrent case, they just keep spinning.

[elfin trout]

For the fractal torrent, you need the 6-32 screws that don't have that little lip like the M3 screws for screwing the motherboard into the standoffs, the M3 screws are for mounting 2.5in drives and some other small bits

[versed quest]

Yeah, I found that out when I read the user guide

I got the motherboard, CPU and RAM in the case already

[elfin trout]

Nice

[bleak holly]

Has anyone here tried and prehaps succuessfully made a 24/7 sub-ambient pc cooling solution?

Or a ambient cooling solution that keeps the cpu temps at ambient.

I have been trying to learn about TEC and other methods of cooling.

[vocal tree]

refrigerants

[bleak holly]

More context please.

.

On a different but related topic, what are the best performing ARGB 140mm fans nowadays?

[bleak holly]

Something that can perform about the same as a P14 Max is what I am curious about.

[tulip granite]

hey

my girls pc went off mid restart and wound not turn on. The PSU makes a screeech like noise and there are no signs of life. Thinking a dead psu? Thoughs?

parts list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3WwpFs

no signs of visable damage anywhere

[elfin trout]

Anything show up on debug LEDs?

[tulip granite]

nope

fans dont even spin... nothing

[elfin trout]

I'd assume PSU died then, you can try starting RMA with seasonic

[tulip granite]

yeah i am. I ordered a tester to check but i think its the psu

[tulip granite]

i was able to short the psu and fans spin

I want to check the gpu. Is there any risk for plugging in a shorted gpu into a working a 2nd working pc?

[elfin trout]

Depending on what actually happened, it's unlikely

[tulip granite]

... water damage

[elfin trout]

Fans spin and then off or?

[tulip granite]

There was some moisture on the gpu itself

[tulip granite]

no, they stay on when shorted

[elfin trout]

I'd lean a bit more towards potentially something wrong with the mobo then, considering debug LEDs aren't showing you anything

[tulip granite]

yeah

im gonna try the tester we order on the psu tomorrow. If not, we'll order a new motherboard

[tame cape]

I'm testing out Gelid gp ultimate thermal pads and i compared the original one to the fake I got on aliexpress.
since I didn't wanna waste much of the good one, I tested with a hd5450 that uses a spring mechanism cooler + thermal pad on the core. idk if this is a good testing method, you tell me...
fixed fan curve and the fake one idles 2C higher and +7C load.
not sure if this is bad since tdp is just 20w. any way of figuring out what w/mk these might be?

[tulip granite]

oki. we took out the gpu and was able to post. Dont realy wanna risk it with the gpu in

[flat lagoon]

#build-pics message
@balmy badge looks great! I just wanted to ask how that cpu cooler has been doing with that setup.

I just moved my desk PC back to my Core P3, and coincidentally I'm using the exact same motherboard lol, but with a 3900X. I'm currently using an old cooler master ML360 cooler, but have been considering switching to another one, and I know that's one of the more affordable options out there.

[balmy badge]

I listed and sold that system locally, so I don't have long term info on it, but I've used quite a few for builds I sold and have never had a complaint @flat lagoon

Iirc I had to replace the fans on that one for arctic p12's due to some fitment issue

[flat lagoon]

Gotcha, good to know. Thank you!

[tame cape]

I have to get some good thermal pads for repasting graphics cards. what are the most used thicknesses?
just to determine how much I should get for each: 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5 and 3mm

I don't think 0.5 is even used, 2.5 quite uncommon and 3 mostly for backplates

[mild roost]

Just go for thermal putty

No more guesswork

smth like upsiren

[bleak holly]

Is there a way for me to use my LT720 AIO for direct die cooling my 9950x3D?

I imagine I'd probably need to lower it somehow but I was wondering if this would work or not.

The plan would be to use the TG Direct Die frame and TG Kryosheet.

.

If it makes a difference the coldplate is a massive rectangle that covers more than the CPU and my current TG Contact frame combined.

@languid topaz thoughts?

[bleak holly]

The stuff I picked out for the task, open to ideas, tips, etc.

[pallid isle]

Is there an easy way to definitively tell when your power supply is failing?

I'm pretty sure that's what's happening with my friend, sometimes the crashing is worse than other times, but in the middle of everything, it'll randomly get a kernel power problem

Looking at event log

And it is one of the not so great Corsair bronze PSUs

She has been playing games the last week or so with significantly fewer crashes, but I still think it's the power supply

[bleak holly]

Kernal Power can be a failing CPU as well. Speaking from experience.

Only way to definitely confirm it is to swap the hardware

[pallid isle]

Okay

One of my thoughts was that it could have been a 13th or 14th gen that has the microcode problem

It's 11th iirc

No, I'm stupid

It's an R5 5700X

[bleak holly]

@pallid isle is every thing properly seated including cables?

CPU and PSU would be the most likely for Kernel Power issues.

[pallid isle]

Not sure, she doesn't exactly know what she's doing and I haven't physically seen it to try that, it is a little uh

jank though

It's not that bad, but she has one of those ASUS AIOs that uses USB-C and it's sideways because the cable doesn't reach otherwise, apparently

[bleak holly]

the usb-c is for LCDs though.

[pallid isle]

It looks like it's this AIO
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-ROG-240-ARGB-Addressable/dp/B0B16YGZKM

[bleak holly]

My recommendation is get them to take the time to reseat all the parts properly and to take their time doing it. Hop on a video call and guide them step by step.

[pallid isle]

Okay

[bleak holly]

If that doesn't work, get a temporary CPU that you can return within 30 days to confirm if the issue is a faulty processor or otherwise. @pallid isle

I recommend Amazon for this purpose.

[pallid isle]

Yeah, that would be my go to for that

Thanks

I don't think she trusts herself enough to do any of it, so I'm not sure if I should go over there or what

[bleak holly]

@fringe granite can I get your thoughts?

[languid topaz]

it would probably work unless the design like prevents you from over tightening the block at normal height

[bleak holly]

You think this would be a good budget way to accomplish better temps?

[languid topaz]

as long as you can get good contact, direct die is gonna run cooler

I dunno if anyone typically uses thermal paste for direct die

I could be wrong tho but usually you'd use liquid metal

which alone can make like a 10-20C difference from my experience

[vocal tree]

Just weld it :3

[bleak holly]

I thought about LM but since the AIO wouldn't wrap around the side of the die like the Mycro block from TG I think that'd leak all over.

[languid topaz]

what can mess you up is like you see how the part that the screws for the block only lets you screw it in so far?

[bleak holly]

this image is what makes me think it might work.

[languid topaz]

so if you remove the few mm the IHS gives you, your mounting pressure can be a lot lower

you can get some like M4 or whatever screws fit & make your own essentially

[bleak holly]

So I would need a custom mounting solution.

[languid topaz]

I just kinda made it up as I went along

with liquid metal, if it's dripping you likely used too much

you can use conformal compound to create a barrier in case the liquid metal does drip

[bleak holly]

My idea to avoid any risk is to use the Kryosheet and use conformal coating + maybe kapton tape to insulate the capacitors.

So no risk of spills and no risk of shorting

[bleak holly]

Do you know what screws AM5 uses for mounting the cooler?

the bottom screws for my mount look like this.

[languid topaz]

I think I actually used M3. iirc M4 is the biggest you can even fit thru the holes in the PCB for like LN2 pots

I'm pretty confident they're M3

heck somewhere around here is the stock ILM

which iirc attaches to the same backplate that holds coolers in place usually

[bleak holly]

So I get either a long M3 or M4 screw?

[languid topaz]

hmm maybe not

I found the ILM

but it only seems to have holes for the ILM parts not like the CPU cooler

[bleak holly]

the ILM is definitely separate from the mount.

[languid topaz]

so ig I did use the stock back plate

this is how those M3 screws look in the stock backplate

[bleak holly]

that's the M3 screw?

[languid topaz]

ya that's where it comes thru

it looks like yours has some sort of riser?

this is the set of screws I used https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NBOCXHE?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1

[bleak holly]

Not a picture of my pc but mine does have that round metal nut

[languid topaz]

my concern would be that you may not get good contact pressure using that nut & double thumb screw

since you can see it basically restricts you from overtightening

which is a nice feature when there's an IHS but prevents you from getting an extra few mm down to get good contact without an IHS

also, depending on the size of the brackets on the coldplate/pump, you might get uncomfortably close to those caps next to the mounting part

[bleak holly]

the coldplate is larger than my cpu, it covers my entire contact frame.

[languid topaz]

which is a terrible description trying to say these things

[bleak holly]

oh it doesn't touch those

The coldplate ends right before the screw

[languid topaz]

like on the heatkiller, I'd worry it'd hit the caps for example

[bleak holly]

Yeah no worry of touching the caps with the LT720.

[languid topaz]

ah okay

[bleak holly]

So it seems the biggest hurdle is mounting pressure.

[languid topaz]

so it's just about finding a way to either use that silver thumb screw without the black piece so it's lower or using different screws entirely

[bleak holly]

I don't have the black piece btw

[languid topaz]

ah okay so all you need is a screw that the nuts that actually mount the cooler can thread onto & enough of a washer behind the board that the screws stay securely in place

btw I'd take the board out to mount the pump or at least use your phone to make sure it looks like it's sitting even

or count the screw turns at least

[bleak holly]

Just took these pictures.

[languid topaz]

or get all of them pretty close then just go in an X pattern slowly adding tension. You know what I mean I'm sure you'll be fine haha

[bleak holly]

damn it

didn't realize I had portrait mode on

[languid topaz]

it looks like it would clear but if it doesn't, you could always use some cutting pliers to remove a little bit of the metal near it

[bleak holly]

gotcha.

So I guess we have a plan.

Delid, use insulate the caps on the cpu with conformal + kapton tape, use kryosheet, mount the cooler. if cooler doesn't fit then either shorten the screws or look for a replacement screw.

[languid topaz]

like if you absolutely had to

[bleak holly]

Ohhh, hmm I see. yeah metal cutters ought to work

I have a dremel btw

with diamond bits

[languid topaz]

the screws shouldn't be that hard to cut. just make sure you put a nut on them first then cut so you can kinda fix the threads with the nut by taking it back off

oh ya or cut with dremel so it's nice & straight

[bleak holly]

I was thinking I can use the diamond bits and just remove it.

Make a nice round corner.

[languid topaz]

ya that'd be even better so you don't end up with sharp' edges

[bleak holly]

Sounds like we got a plan.

[languid topaz]

sounds good

btw not that you need them but plastic washers can be nice to have

[bleak holly]

Noted.

Oh here's an idea.

[languid topaz]

I usually put a plastic one when it's against the PCB or something then put a metal one on top of the plastic

[bleak holly]

If the cooler can make contact but lack pressure with the stock bracket

what if I put springs under that top screw?

Wouldn't the springs add additional pressure?

[languid topaz]

it could as long as the screws can go low enough

like they're not blocked by the design like these I mean

[fringe granite]

all I have to add is that ggood is more knowledgeable than I am about this topic lol

[languid topaz]

lol Gary-1 Max-10,000

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz TG Offset Mount + Adapter to M3 and or M4.

I think this might be the solution to the mounting and would let me center my AIO coldplate over the dies.

"The AM5 Adapter & Offset Mounting Kit also increases CPU cooler mounting compatibility when using the Thermal Grizzly Ryzen 7000 Direct Die Frame. Due to the change in mounting height with Direct Die cooling, the cooler must be mounted lower, which is made possible by the M3 and M4 adapter screws."

[languid topaz]

I think it was my 280mm liquid freezer 2 that had similar offsets. It worked well on 5900x for the like 3 weeks it was on there

cooled reasonably well

[bleak holly]

Neat.

My LT720 currently keeps my 9950x3D at about 84-85c in CR23 drawing 300W +/-15W.

[round crest]

Hey all! I need some help! I got a Montech Air 903 air cool case and it came with 3 fans, I wanna replace the 3 stock fans it came with with RGB fans, what fans would be ideal to do so if possible?

[bleak holly]

Are you going for noise, performance, or a bit of both? Also, what is your budget per fan assuming a 3 fan purchase.

[round crest]

My fans right now are pretty quiet

[bleak holly]

Best RGB fans right now to my knowledge if price is not of consequence would be Phanteks D30 which you can find in 120 and 140mm at $100 for a 3 pack

Not loud, high performance, excellent rgb imo.

If your on a budget buy a 3 pack of Arctic PWM PST ARGB fans, it's like $50-60 for a 3 pack.

If your on a super tight budget look into Thermalright TL fans.

[round crest]

@bleak holly I got a Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB I use for my CPU. But dont know if they will fit in the place of the other fans

[bleak holly]

Do you have the Air 903 Base or Air 903 Max?

The Air 903 Max can use 120 or 140mm fans. I recommend buying a 5 pack of Arctic P14 PWM PST ARGB fans. Good performance at a fair price.

[round crest]

Just base

[bleak holly]

I just double checked, it's the same support and also here, Arctic's P14 Pro ARGB fans are now cheaper and better performing than the ones I mentioned previously. Buy two 3 packs and you will have all the fans your case needs and a spare just incase.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DPX78QJZ/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A2T6N244WTLWGU&psc=1

[round crest]

Right on

[toxic cairn]

anyone know why my pc is so hot, im running the CoolerMaster MasterLiquid 240L

[scenic lance]

been about 2 years since I pasted my CPU, used to get 20-30c on idle, not sure if this is because its the summer and im overthinking but its now 50c idle but it doesnt get higher than 60c, im on a 3900x

this is normal right?

[scenic lance]

oh wow it was signal rgb, im back to my normal temps

maybe thats why I was also bluescreening

[tame grove]

I was going to say if you meant 60c under load or gaming then your AIO is doing just fine lol

[spare spear]

Has anyone here used ASRock Power supplies? Specifically, the CL-B line. Can't find them on the tier list so I always avoided but just wondering.

[drowsy dock]

The Gs are decent

I wouldn't buy the Bs tho

CL-G is the lowest I'd go

CL-B is pretty close to being a Mark XIV Torpedo

[tame grove]

I’ve used two of the PG-850W’s in the past and I LOVE the stock cables on those. Can get lucky and grab them on sale.

What wattage are you looking for

[spare spear]

For sure thanks

[spare spear]

650-850 I tend to focus more on budget builds so maybe 650-750

[pallid isle]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F8NPJPM8/

Is this real and actually going to work?

[elfin trout]

what are you trying to use it for? thermalright has a bunch of options that have been more proven

[pallid isle]

My friend has a small case with a 7900X and the NH-L9x65 he has cannot cool it

[elfin trout]

What case

[pallid isle]

It's thermal throttling in eco lol

[elfin trout]

Need to know clearance of the case to choose the right cooler

[pallid isle]

He's finding the Amazon link

[pallid isle]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BQ4XDB1F

[elfin trout]

In terms of noctua options, this was literally made for that case
https://noctua.at/en/nh-l12sx77
In terms of thermalright options, this is probably going to be slightly worse but more proven
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B1DHVJG8

[pallid isle]

The L12Sx77 is what I was looking at for a replacement

[elfin trout]

the L12Sx77 was made for the 77mm clearance of those itx cases, but noctua tax is expensive

[pallid isle]

Then he saw that thing lol

[pallid isle]

yeah

[elfin trout]

if they want to save money, I'd rather go with the more proven thermalright axp-120-x67

if they're fine with spending (significantly) extra money, noctua l12sx77

[pallid isle]

Alright, thanks

[tame grove]

ID COOLING has some good options too. IS-67 and an IS-77 is on The way

[wide parrot]

I think this is a little more beefy than the axp120

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DPHqqs/thermalright-axp90-x53-full-4258-cfm-cpu-cooler-axp90-x53-full

Oh it's a 90mm fan tho

Yeah nvm I think it's just a perspective thing, the small fan makes the cooler look bigger

[elfin trout]

Yea, only IS67 is available rn, which is more expensive than the AXP120 X67 with the same form factor, we'll have to wait for the IS77 to come out

[tame cape]

I was thinking about making a sleeper build since I have a few 90s pc cases I could use. do you recommend spray painting it white on the inside even if I'm going to use mostly black components?

[steady walrus]

Could someone help me understand, but what is the advantage of using the 600W PCIe 5.0 12V-2x6 Type-4 PSU Power Cable from corsair versus a stock cable adapter that uses 3-4 PCIE cables? Wouldn't it be better to spread it out between more cables?

[tulip depot]

Don’t use splitter

[elfin trout]

Mainly fewer points of failure

[pallid isle]

Any recommendations for a good full size air cooler for a 7600/7500F?

I had the Phantom Spirit SE on the part list for this guy, but it's out of stock where he lives now

And it looks like there are new TR coolers since then

[elfin trout]

What country?

[pallid isle]

Italy

[elfin trout]

Prices look a bit wack but this should work fine
https://www.amazon.it/dp/B0DJZBZY7L

[earnest light]

Good morning everyone- Im moving out from the US that uses 120V for power to the Phillipines that uses 220V. Do I just need to change the PSU cables or do I need a new PSU?

[elfin trout]

What PSU do you have? Most are full range, like 110v-240v, and would just need a new cable, but some are only 120v or only 240v etc.

[earnest light]

I have the Corsair HX1500i

[elfin trout]

It's full range

You'll just need a different kettle lead

[earnest light]

Thank you Sir!

[elfin trout]

You're welcome

[tame cape]

I mean... fewer isn't always better cough cough 🔥

[tame cape]

should i get a Cooler Master MasterWatt 550W or Corsair CX550M 550W (both semi mod) for the same price?

i know theyre not the best but i got good deals on them

[obtuse vessel]

Anyone know any good white Aio cpu coolers? It'd be great to keep it below $80, but I don't mind paying more if it's really good

[elfin trout]

Want a LCD screen or no

It's going to be one of the thermalright options but you can narrow it down a bit more with some preferences

[obtuse vessel]

Nah

It'd probably double the price I'm guessing

[elfin trout]

thermalright have some options near that price point with lcd screens

[elfin trout]

Does your case fit 360s?

[obtuse vessel]

Yes

I'd like it to be white and have rgb

And be a 360

[elfin trout]

Normal white with argb:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F8BKKJJQ
With a lcd screen:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D1JZXJHH

[obtuse vessel]

Huh, that is very reasonable

[elfin trout]

indeed

[tame cape]

no way I got sent all the wrong cables from the seller

[mystic tartan]

Are Thermaltake psus still cheeks

I had 3 that dropped rails

Have they improved their QC

It’d be a tough power gf3

[elfin trout]

Gf3 or gf a3? The old gf3 is decent, the newer ones aren't great

[tulip depot]

Rn if you want a psu id only recommend getting montech (in USA and Uk at least) unless you need more than a 1200w psu

[mystic tartan]

I ended up getting an RM1000e

for those who may be wondering

[vocal tree]

any psu for an igpu and some hard drives?

I go down the list on pc part picker and the prices are gigantic

[pallid isle]

You could use the PSU tier list, filter the wattages and remove whatever is overkill

[vocal tree]

yeah I should run down the list of whatever's got a price in pcpp again just looking at c tier

[tame grove]

Man. I will NEVER put my hands or spend a dollar on an Arctic cooler again. Bought this B Stock unit from them and it appears to be brand new. Absolutely impossible to get mounted to my board. I knew people had a hard time with these things, but obviously I have a lot of systems under my belt. Absolutely hate this design lol.

[elfin trout]

sometimes, there's a reason why parts that are cosmetically fine end up on b stock lol

[subtle lodge]

Will the scythe wonder tornado be better than the wonder snail for heatsinks because of the larger hub

Should help more with static pressure

[still yacht]

I have 7 fans, 3 top, 3 bottom, and 1 back. What would be the best airflow setup? My case is the ap201 so every panel is perphorated

Someone told me to have top and bottom be intake and back as exhaust, but I'm wondering if that's the best setup

[wide parrot]

If the side panel is mesh/perforated this is likely best

Means both the GPU and cpu get fresh air

[still yacht]

I just recently upgraded to a 14700k so I'm tryna figure out ways to keep it cool

running a peerless assassin, which is just barely able to run it at 95

[still yacht]

unfortunately that seems like the normal for my cooler

[wide parrot]

Dual tower thermalright

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fhqNnQ/thermalright-royal-knight-120-8045-cfm-cpu-cooler-royal-knight-120

[still yacht]

^

Might try tweaking fan curve to go a little higher rpm

[terse cargo]

so I want to try and run a dual GPU system with a 7800xt and a 5070 Ti any suggestions for cases that wont cause them to suffocate each other?

plan on getting a new psu as well as im currently running a 650W

[tame cape]

is a thermalright tr tgfx 750w sfx a valid option for ~70€

?

[tame grove]

this case looks kinda dope - review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ayZAby_ds

[obtuse vessel]

What's a good, inexpensive 240mm aio cpu cooler that comes with fans

[elfin trout]

anything from thermalright, take your pick at what aesthetics you want

[tame grove]

Also, keep an eye on Arctics page on eBay. You can get their 240mm for 45$ B stock

[exotic perch]

Was thinking about swapping out my o11 dynamic for a 4000D Frame. Would this be an ideal fan/aio configuration. With the 360mm aio as intake on the back
*found this picture using it for reference

[wide parrot]

I've heard running fans at a 90° angle like that can cause extra turbulence. Might be worth looking into

[lapis plover]

If you can, rad should go on the top

I feel like there was a diagram somewhere

[sonic lake]

One of my fans has been doing something interesting recently, wondered if anyone has thoughts. It happens when the RGB/LEDs are on, and when my computer goes into low power mode where it shuts off all the RGB/monitors, but keeps running processes.

[kind sluice]

hey yall, so lately my cpu (R7 5800x)_ runs at 90 celcius when gaming. I did replace my thermal paste. I have a msi coreliquid 240R AIO running with the stock fans running at 100% speed. The temp does not run past 91 celcius. The case fans are just cheap Asiahorse fans running at 80 percent speed. Im not sure if its just the cooling of my case fans? Temps are normal averaging around 65 celcius when running on chrome. it also stays at 90 celcius when running Music software Reason 11 and chrome at the same time

[kind sluice]

these are my temps when playing Zenless zone zero at High Graphics for a good 10 mins

let me know if these temps are normal!

[elfin trout]

5800x does inherently run hot, but 90c with a 240mm aio is a bit too much, it's likely throttling at 90c. What's the ambient temperature like, and have you checked what the pump is running at?

[elfin trout]

Also wait the first 240R, or the v2? The first 240R got recalled for gunk buildup a while ago

[kind sluice]

I got the MSI - MAG CORELIQUID 240R V2. I can check the pump really quick in bios

Temp upstairs is around 65 degrees. I got it on the floor

[elfin trout]

Try setting the pump to 100% if you haven't already

I assume that's 65f and not 65c?

[kind sluice]

Yes 65F sorry

[elfin trout]

Is the pump plugged into CPU_Fan or is it plugged into a different header?

[kind sluice]

I got the pump plugged into cpu fan 1

[elfin trout]

Test setting the max of the CPU_Fan curve to something like 70%, sometimes pump being set at full speed adds turbulence that ends up reducing performance

[bleak holly]

Well I am in the market for a new case. The airline broke my Fractal Torrent case.

I have been debating getting the Havn 420 HS or trying out some more exotic cases like the TT P3 Pro.

[bleak holly]

Is anyone aware of any pc cases that can fit a 360mm aio, atx motherboard, and ideally fits into the overhead carry-on of a plane?

[bleak holly]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/egowz-Creativo-computadora-EATX-Aluminum/dp/B0CW61VDBD/ref=sr_1_149? Currently debating purchasing this atx test bench to be used as my pc chasis for a while.

[tame grove]

It having to be an ATX board is the roughest part here

[tame grove]

Set a negative Curve Optimizer in BIOS (start around -15 all cores) and manually limit PBO to ~120W PPT / 90A TDC / 120A EDC with scalar at x1 — this undervolts the chip and caps power draw without hurting gaming boost clocks, usually dropping temps 5–10 °C while keeping the same in-game performance.

[bleak holly]

Agreed.

[bleak holly]

What's your ambient temp and is the aio being obstructed?

What Nebac mentioned above is worth trying. Note, ALL CORE performance may drop a bit.

[bleak holly]

Guys thoughts on this case?

https://www.geometricfuture.com/product-1/34.html

It's within my size and weight requirements.

[wide parrot]

If I was going to be traveling I don't think I would go for a glass side panel

[bleak holly]

@wide parrot. my current plan is to purchase this open air frame/test bench, make some wood panels for it, then put it into a small suitcase that I can bring as carry-on.

[wide parrot]

That could probably work if you're confident in your woodworking skills

The other option could be to break down the PC and reassemble at the destination. That's sort of what I do when I go from school -> home. I have 2 cases, mobos, coolers, and PSUs, and I travel with my gpu/cpu/ram/storage

Granted I'm on am4 and can get away with single tower coolers and 700w PSUs so it wasn't too expensive to snag the extra set

[earnest light]

Morning everyone: I replace 1 of my Corsair Fans, but now their no longer lighting up, however all the fans are still spinning. Its the Corsair Link fans. I tried uninstalling Icue, but no luck. Any pointers?

[earnest light]

The buttom 3 fans lights up but the rest upwards doesn't. The buttom is directly connected to the iCue hub.

[elfin trout]

Sounds like the micro USB cable isn't fully plugged in

It'll still get power from the pcie power, just won't do anything with it without micro USB

[earnest light]

Only uses the USB cable to link all the fans up to the Corsair Icue Link System HUB.

[elfin trout]

From the hub to the motherboard

It should be pcie 6 pin and then micro USB to the motherboard

[earnest light]

Ill double check connections then

Its all hooked up right

[elfin trout]

Looks a lil loose on the mobo end, just make sure it's fully in

[earnest light]

Its on there

Even removed and plugged it back firmly

[elfin trout]

Do they show up on icue or no

[earnest light]

The HUB shows and the buttom 3 fans along with the LCD Display

[elfin trout]

Just have to assume either it's broken or it's something software if the hardware is connected correctly

[earnest light]

Roger, thank you for trying, really appreciate it.

[crude juniper]

Hello was wondering if I could get help connecting cables to psu Corsair RMx shift series rm1200x a bit confusing than other cables I have 2 cables labeled cpu and 7 pcie wirh daisy chains and small connectors rest are hdd power and what not quite a few

[hollow leaf]

I have been out of the PC parts world for close to 2 years and I am needing new fans. They must be white. ARGB. Daisy Chainable. Good quality. I need 10 fans.

These are what I currently have, but the bearings have gone out in 2 of them.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fnpzK8/lian-li-st120-6917-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-st120-3w

If anyone has kept up to date on what is best to buck ratio, I'd be appreciative of your recommendation.

[fallow basin]

thermalright

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-M12Q-Daisy-Chain-Computer-Infinite/dp/B0F6T6CBWN?th=1

these are excellent

never overspend on fans

[hollow leaf]

Yep.

[hollow leaf]

Thank you

[kind sluice]

I think i figured it out. I think my AOI pump is dead

My pc Boggs so much when my pc starts over heating

[bleak holly]

That's unfortunate. Do you feel any vibration or flow in the pump/block and or tubes when touching them?

[kind sluice]

Nah, I held them together. No vibration or anything. Just completely warm with no flowing

[bleak holly]

Yeah seems like a dead pump.

My condolences.

[kind sluice]

I have the pump connected to the cpu fan too

[bleak holly]

One last thought

In the bios, is your pump set to use DC or PWM?

[kind sluice]

I can check rn

[bleak holly]

Mine for example doesn't work on PWM mode.

[kind sluice]

I have mine on auto

[bleak holly]

Try forcing it to either DC then PWM if DC fails.

[kind sluice]

No luck on both. Tubes have no movement

Ill probably shift on over to a fan cooler instead of an aio pump cooler.

Any reccomendations? Im rocking a Ryzen 7 5600x.

[bleak holly]

What aio failed you?

Good ones usually last about 5 years.

Mine's been running strong for four years.

[bleak holly]

Pretty much 24/7/365 at 100% pump speed.

[kind sluice]

MSI - MAG CORELIQUID 240R V2
I had it in my setup since 2021

This one specifically

[bleak holly]

Gotcha. A better and cheaper replacement would be some of Thermalright's new AIO's. I have heard very good things about their stealth ones.

You can get a high performance 360mm AIO with 2200rpm fans for $50-60.

I believe they make them in 240mm for about $40. @kind sluice

[kind sluice]

Hmm. So I found a thermalright aoi but debating whether I should stick to 240 or move onto a 360?

Actually nm. My case doesnt fit a 360

Lol

I was looking at this one

[bleak holly]

The infinity's are cheaper though lower rpm.

Around 1850rpm. The ice or stealth I forget the name is 2150rpm.

Pumps are the same to my knowledge. Just different fan performances.

[kind sluice]

Okay ill check thay out

This is the only aoi I can find on Amazon that has fans that go 2000rpm+10%

[bleak holly]

Gimme a sec, but that's nice if you like ARGB. The stealth one doesn't have it.

[wide parrot]

If you can fit it, a 280mm is almost as good as a 360

[bleak holly]

@kind sluice

It was my bad, I got the names mixed up.

[kind sluice]

Ahhhh gotcha no worries. Ill check them out

[kind sluice]

Well it was indeed my stupid AIO pump. Just install the new one and bam, I can operate without overheating 😭

Iv been working on my pc with 75 - 80 Celsius just by running chrome

[bleak holly]

Yikes.

[bleak holly]

What cooler?

[mighty girder]

are the X5M and X5 good Cases ?

or Lian Li A3 ?

I'm trying to make a Mixro ATX build

[wide parrot]

lian li a3 is pretty good iirc

Used to be the Dan a3

[lusty dagger]

would the noctua-nh-d15s air cooler do well in cooling an i9-13900kf

[lapis plover]

If you want it running at 50C+, probably

[lusty dagger]

wat about i9-14900kf

[lapis plover]

You should only use an aio with that

No air cooler is equipped to handle the 200W+ heat output

[lusty dagger]

i havent opened the box yet can i still return the cooler back to newegg?

ima return it and buy the aio

i was waiting for my other parts to arrive

[lusty dagger]

360mm deepcool lt720?

[lapis plover]

Yeah, should work

[bleak holly]

Great AIO, I own one.

Keeps my 9950x3D around 80c in Cinebench R23 drawing 290w.

It also has a refill port but using it voids warranty.

[lusty dagger]

Thankss

[lusty dagger]

what do u mean voids warranty

im still quite new to pc

i can build it

its just idk abt parts a lot

besides gpu and cpu

[bleak holly]

A nice perk about the LT720 is that it has a fill port. AIO's even with the best sleeving eventually lose some fluid (takes years), when that happens you can open the fill port and top it up with new coolant, though doing so will void the warranty unless you send it in for a replacement.

[lusty dagger]

but what if I am buying it with have a warranty on it

[bleak holly]

It comes with warranty, 5 years if I recall.

[lusty dagger]

ohh

[bleak holly]

I have been using mine for a little over 3 years now I believe.

Fluid is still pretty full, so I haven't bother refilling, note this is with me running the pc 24/7 and having put it through easily more than a hundred hours of intense stress testing heating the fluid up.

[lusty dagger]

oh shit

dang its that good

its on sale rn on canada computers

might have to go cop it in store the tmrw

Thanks for the tips and review

Really do muchly appreciate it! 😄

[lusty dagger]

Also

Anyone know if im supposed to have plugged in both cpu powers

cuz i currently only have 1

its perfectly running fine

on i9-14900kf

[mighty girder]

NXZT h5 FLOW for 65 USD or Lian li 216 for 95 USD

also

ID-COOLING FROZN A620 PRO SE
or
Thermalmight peerless assasian SE
for like a 7800X3D

[tawny oxide]

Peerless assassin

[mighty girder]

is Foikin good at all ?

https://www.amazon.com/FOIFKIN-Walnut-Pre-Installed-Mid-Tower-Gaming/dp/B0F1YBGPZ2/ref=sxin_16_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.f3a06935-0d55-4a43-b918-4ea35f8505e5%3Aamzn1.sym.f3a06935-0d55-4a43-b918-4ea35f8505e5&crid=VH1S9QQ2D10B&cv_ct_cx=fokin%2Bpc%2Bcase&keywords=fokin%2Bpc%2Bcase&pd_rd_i=B0F1YBGPZ2&pd_rd_r=af187779-7ace-4303-b753-3999b93d7546&pd_rd_w=WFv7O&pd_rd_wg=r6pTj&pf_rd_p=f3a06935-0d55-4a43-b918-4ea35f8505e5&pf_rd_r=ZWZQ36ZYGPYTJKCBDSPP&qid=1761049813&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=foikin%2B%2Caps%2C293&sr=1-1-6024b2a3-78e4-4fed-8fed-e1613be3bcce-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1

[tawny oxide]

Never heard of them. Their cases look like popular brand’s knockoffs.

[bleak holly]

Thoughts on this PSU? I plan to downsize to a LianLi A3-mATX case and I want to be able to fit 3x120 on the top, side, and bottom of the case.

Corsair SF1000 (2024) 80 Plus Platinum
https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B0D45RN3KZ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=AVDBXBAVVSXLQ&th=1

Interesting it seems this new PSU list has it listed as an A+ psu.

[tame grove]

If anyone is in the market for a new case, so far this has prolly been my favorite overall this year. ATX, 360 AIO, 5x Reverse Blade Fans, ATX PSU https://www.microcenter.com/product/697004/lian-li-o11-dynamic-mini-v2-flow-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-computer-case-black

[mighty girder]

what is a good back connecter ATX case white under 85 buckros

nvm

found it

[mighty girder]

Phantexs Pro Ultra

or

Lian LI Vector

V100

[limpid fog]

I’m looking for a lower price preferably under 100 850w power supply for my 3070 graphics card upgrade. Any recommendations?

[mighty girder]

Montech centruy II 850 Gold

[tawny oxide]

Also Corsair’s refurbished psus

From their official website

[bleak holly]

@tawny oxide @vestal wharf @subtle lodge
I finally found the perfect case. It's 36 linear inches with all upgrades.

SSUPD Meshroom S V2 with Fan Bracket for +360mm radiators up to 71mm deep and the aluminum feet to raise it.

• Full ATX motherboard support

• Room for mounting 2x120mm in front of the board to cool RAM and VRMs

• up to 360mm or longer radiator if I don't mind it sticking out the top of the fan bracket

• GPU up to 332mm in length and 63mm deep or 304mm length and pretty much as deep as I want.

[subtle lodge]

Oh nice it can still take 3 slots

[vestal wharf]

oh nice

how much?

[bleak holly]

About $200 for the case, bracket, and feet then $90 for the PCIE 5.0x16 440mm cable.

[bleak holly]

Not cheap at all.

But it does literally every thing I want in a compact setup.

[vestal wharf]

No not too bad tho

[bleak holly]

it can do 4+ slots on the left side deep so long as the gpu's width doesn't get in the way of the motherboard tray

[subtle lodge]

$200 for all of that is really not bad at all

You can save some with a 4.0 riser though

There are itx cases that cost more than $200 with less

Just a case alone

[bleak holly]

I plan to upgrade to a 5080 after I swap cases. Wouldn't that be a bottleneck?

[subtle lodge]

No because a 4090 doesn’t saturate pcie 3

[bleak holly]

Interesting. Another question, for Clock generators like bCLK or eCLK overclocking, does PCIe 4.0 vs 5.0 react differently?

[subtle lodge]

That I do not know

But there is a small performance regression when using a 5090 on pcie 3

Crazy it took that long to saturate pcie 3

[bleak holly]

I am amazed. I assumed since they opted for PCIe 5.0x16 native on 5000 series that there was a reason for it.

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-RTXTM-5080-Triple/dp/B0DYRZZJZ1/ref=sr_1_6? I am going to get this GPU as soon as I can. min-maxes what I can fit into the SSUPD Meshroom S V2 and it's compatible with the 5080 Aorus and Astral bios.

[bleak holly]

Also thank you for this tip. If I find a 400-440mm riser for cheaper I will definitely do that.

[subtle lodge]

Yea 5 risers are like double the price of 4

[bleak holly]

Seems I can save about $30 going with 4.0 the 440mm 5.0 is $94 vs $80 for the 4.0 at 400mm.

[subtle lodge]

Oh nvm then

I do remember seeing a big difference somewhere else though

But yeah as long as you dont run out of vram, the 4.0 is fine

That’s when pcie 5 matters more

[subtle lodge]

Make sure you set the slot to be pcie 4 in uefi

[bleak holly]

noted.

[bleak holly]

?

Please elaborate.

[subtle lodge]

The board can’t tell you are using a 4.0 cable so you’ll get some strange things on the screen

Flickers, maybe no picture

[subtle lodge]

The extra bandwidth from 5.0 helps when it comes to shuffling data between ram and vram

[bleak holly]

I think I might go with the 5.0 one since I know it will definitely be long enough but more importantly the cables seem a lot more flexible.

Thoughts?

Because it needs to make a 90 degree turn to the left

[subtle lodge]

Yeah the savings aren’t as much as i thought, so if you want you may as well get it

I expected their 4.0 to be cheaper

[bleak holly]

the 4.0 is a different brand.

Unfortunately, they only sell their 5.0 at 400-440mm.

[subtle lodge]

https://www.caseking.de/en/ssupd-pcie-5.0-riser-cable-black-200mm-female-reverse/ETSP-048.html

Big discount
https://www.caseking.de/en/ssupd-riser-flat-ribbon-cable-pcie-4.0-270mm-black/ETSP-032.html

[bleak holly]

the plan is to get the case, get the gpu, then do a custom parallel waterloop to cool the cpu and ram using a 360x120x45mm rad in the fan bracket and 240mm rad in the rear.

[lapis plover]

Should I put an extra fan on the front or back

I only have one

[wide parrot]

Assuming you have decent intake into the case already, the gpu is probably getting plenty of air

[lapis plover]

I think it is

Runs cold

[mighty girder]

Phanteks XT pro ultra(2290NTD)

or

Montech X5 (1590NTD)

[mighty girder]

sadage

[bleak holly]

Unless you plan to use a thin 420mm AIO on the front, get the Montech X5.

Cheaper and better airflow.

[mighty girder]

most i'll ever use is 360

hmm

i'll

think bout it for a bit

[bleak holly]

Oh the X5 also supports a 420 up front.

[mighty girder]

i see

[bleak holly]

Well, it's iffy. It can fit 3x140mm fans up front but whether or not you can fit a 420 depends on how much longer the AIO's radiator housing is.

Anyways, I am in much favor of the X5.

[mighty girder]

i see

alr

thanks

[mighty girder]

chat

i have a case fan

but no screws for them

i lost them

[bleak holly]

You will want either M4 or M3 screws that are the length of the fan + an extra couple milimeters to screw into the case.

[wide parrot]

Zipties 😈

[lapis plover]

How would that even work

[wide parrot]

Put the ziptie through the fan and case crew holes

Link multiple together if you need more length

[lapis plover]

Ah

[wide parrot]

Exhibit A (2 screws, 2 zipties)

Officially only supports an 80mm fan but I wanted a 120

[lapis plover]

Lol

Idek that 80mm even existed

[wide parrot]

Exhibit B (one screw, one "normal" ziptie, one mcgyvered ziptie)
And bonus Exhibit C (2 screws)

wanted the 120mm as intake for CPU cooler, but it can't go any further right due to the PSU. The little guy was originally for vrm cooling, now it just blows on the CPU cooler I guess

[lapis plover]

Might need to do that at some point now lol

[wide parrot]

At some point I may reverse the setup so the rear fan (exhibit A) intakes into the CPU cooler and then the top fans exhaust.

In theory it would lower cpu temps a bit bc rn the CPU is getting some hot gpu air from a flow-through backplate

But tbh my cpu temps are fine, it hits EDC well before TDC

[bleak holly]

@mighty girder

I wanted a good RAM fan but didn't have any standoffs for such as mounting solution so I used 4 sets of Zip ties chained together.

[wide parrot]

beautiful, this outdoes my own work

[primal remnant]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CJY5LH65 if i put a 92mm noctua or CM sickleflow fan on this cooler later, will it be awesome? I already bought it because i'm only cooling a 65W CPU, but I would like to eventuall transition it to a higher wattage CPU for my dream build - I like the 92mm size a lot, and I think the actual heatsink looks pretty great.

direct contact heatpipes seem to be in line with cooler master's quality

alxso i don't give a shit about noise, it's gonna be behind tempered glass in my new case

i got the CM Q200 2 microATX case, and I am satisfied more than enough with the level of cooling for now, but would love to get more fans at a later date, ideally again noctua or sickleflow.

you know, for an R5 7600X or a core ultra 5 245 or 265 later on.

definitely a K or ideally KF series

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz @wide parrot @subtle lodge thoughts on doing a custom loop like this? P = pump.

I will use Y fittings to merge the fluid into the radiators then another Y fitting to split the fluid to each pump that then feeds the components.

[subtle lodge]

Ram doesn’t use enough power to justify the split

That’s what I think at least

[bleak holly]

Main thoughts was on pressure since each D5 pump only does 650L/HR. Other benefit is this allows me to have two pumps with 300mm reservoirs.

I plan to use the Dracaena 65ml D5/Pump Res combo then upgrade the reservoirs to their 300ml ones.

This was my other idea

I plan to use two pumps for three reasons:

1. More flow
2. More coolant (I will upgrade the Dracaena 65ml D5 PUMP/RES to use 300ml tubes)
3. Redundancy incase one of the pumps die during travel when I move the PC as a carry-on in the plane.

[bleak holly]

@subtle lodge @languid topaz thoughts on the two setups?

[mighty girder]

do aio's have a limited lifetime ?

[primal remnant]

can anyone comment on sickleflow vs NS-P14 (the positive pressure Noctuas)

i'll need at least a couple of fans

due to my case only having a basic cooler master exhaust

heat in summers here (eastern WA) are absolutely brutal.

[tawny oxide]

They’re good for about 3-5 years. Some longer.

[languid topaz]

from my understanding, you're better off either splitting the loops entirely or just going with one. Two pumps in parallel increase head pressure; two pumps in series increase flow rate. If you wanted to do one for GPU & one for CPU & RAM it might make sense but otherwise, it's not really necessary. You start hitting diminishing returns really quickly after a certain point with increased head pressure & flow rate

[bleak holly]

Hey, glad to see you're alive and kicking.

[languid topaz]

I have an EK pump that has two pumps in it for redundancy but it's not really necessary. The only thing to worry about is if you use PETG & the pump dies, it'll melt the pipe pretty quick

maan I'm still recovering from the flu & work has been kicking my ass at the same time

sorry for inactivity

[bleak holly]

I plan to keep the GPU air-cooled for now because I am not sure how much a 240x28 and 360x45 rad can handle. I will be upgrading to a 5080 in the near future.

[languid topaz]

the motherboard will shutdown if the CPU temp gets out of control in my experience

it slightly depends with fin density & the static pressure of the fans but the difference is pretty minimal

I used to play around with this crap a lot. I had delta fans on an AIO at one point lol

[bleak holly]

P12 Pro. The 240 is 16fpi, the 360 is 13fpi.

[languid topaz]

the difference was like 2C which is basically margin of error lol

[bleak holly]

I plan to use the Dracaena radiators.

[languid topaz]

honestly, the most effective thing I've ever changed for better cooling is using liquid metal

which people tend to hate but really isn't that scary if you use conformal compound

[bleak holly]

Higher fpi then Alphacool's rads in the $100 range and cheaper.

[bleak holly]

I plan to delid my 9950x3D, use the TG Direct Die block, and use TG-Shield to cover the entire PCB around the dies.

Will that make Liquid Metal safe to use?

[languid topaz]

as safe as it can. I think TG-Shield is TG's conformal compound isn't it?

it's all just clear nail polish lol

it smells exactly like it

[bleak holly]

Yeah, it's a hard fast curing conformal that's translucent.

30m-1hr to cure in air.

[languid topaz]

ya same thing afik. I use some like MG chemical one. The only reason I know of to choose one over the other is price

which is like nothing anyway lol

[bleak holly]

How much cheaper is that one?

5ml bottle is gonna run me like $50 after import and shipping.

[languid topaz]

heck they don't even have it anymore

[bleak holly]

For the pumps, I thought parallel is better for flow?

[languid topaz]

they have a 55ml one but it's like $55 which is nuts https://www.amazon.com/419D-55ML-Chemicals-Premium-Acrylic-Conformal/dp/B0FJX5LPR7?

[bleak holly]

For now to keep costs low I will only use one pump and do the CPU but for redundancy, coolant, and flow I plan to add another pump when I waterblock the RAM.

[languid topaz]

that's enough for like the next 50 years

[bleak holly]

How far does 5ml get me?

[languid topaz]

that's plenty

like you put a tiny bit on a q-tip & that's it

[bleak holly]

It's the Dracaena D5 Pump/Res rated for 650L/hr, is that decent?

[languid topaz]

try to use those like spongy q-tips though or the cotton can come off on the regular ones

[bleak holly]

It was the only reasonably priced D5 i could find.

[bleak holly]

The TG one I found comes with a brush/eye dropper.

[languid topaz]

that's fine. On Thermaltake Live, Mike ran like 5 pumps in series & showed that two pumps barely changed temps & more than two had basically no effect at all

[bleak holly]

Brb like 3-5m.

[languid topaz]

alr

[bleak holly]

Not worried about temps but rather flow and coolant capacity since I can't fit a 240 reservoir into the SSUPD Meshroom V2 with the fan bracket addon without doing some black magic which I will show you in a reddit post I found

[languid topaz]

you could get a reservoir separate from the pump & get a pretty huge one

a lot of aspects are kinda counterintuitive tbh

like I used to think that running like pump>rad>CPU>GPU>RAM>rad>pump would perform worse than like pump>rad>CPU>rad>GPU>RAM>pump since you're going from hot component to hot component but the difference is barely anything

[bleak holly]

I plan to get the basic D5 Pump/res from Dracaena at 65ml and upgrade it to the 350ml reservoir for $30

[languid topaz]

I've used a bunch of Dracena fittings & never had an issue but I've never tried their rads or pumps. Ironically, I had an EK pump that was pretty expensive die in less than a year, meanwhile my Barrow pump is my oldest pump (~5 years old now) & still runs fine

as long as the rads aren't aluminum, they should be just fine

I've used Thermaltake, EK, Barrow, Hardware Labs, & PrimoChill rads & none really outperforms any of the others in any meaningful way

[bleak holly]

Back phone died.

Booting up the pc to open discord

[languid topaz]

Honestly, the only thing I'd suggest is to avoid is PETG pipe if you can. If coolant temps end up higher than like 40C, it can start to deform. When the EK pump died, the pipes in & out of my 12900K's waterblock totally melted. It's kind of a miracle they didn't come out of the fittings

what sucks tho is PETG is by far the easiest to work with

[bleak holly]

I found EPDM soft tubing from XSPC. 6" for $50

[languid topaz]

acrylic requires you to heat the heck out of the pipe to bend it & you have to cut it with a hack saw because it will straight up shatter

oh nvm

[bleak holly]

3/8 ID, 1/2" OD.

[languid topaz]

EPDM is fantastic

[bleak holly]

Costs a bloody fortune though.

[languid topaz]

& basically every soft tubing fitting I've ever used holds so tight you could probably lift the PC with it lol

the TG DeltaMate fittings are super nice imo

[bleak holly]

From what I read, the Dracaena rads compete with Alphacool's midrange very well. only ones from Alphacool that beat it are like the Monsta which has both more depth and higher fpi is why.

[languid topaz]

lol I love my Alphacool rad. I have one that fits two 200mm fans on it

[bleak holly]

The dracaena radiators are copper fins/tubes with brass tanks then a steel case.

[languid topaz]

hardware labs rads are relatively inexpensive & I'm pretty sure they make Corsair's rads

that's fine. the Steel won't even touch the liquid & brass & copper are functionally the same for galvanic corrosion

[bleak holly]

One of the reviewers, was running a 350w gpu through their 360x45mm rad with Dracaena fittings and pumps as well. Said their load temps maxed out at 50-55c depending on ambient.

[languid topaz]

you know how you get watercooling parts for good prices... heck let me find it

[bleak holly]

Apparently HWlabs either owns or makes the rads for Dracaena if reddit was true.

[languid topaz]

Performance-PCS.com is a really good source for watercooling parts. Titanrig & even bykski's US store are pretty good too. The best deals are usually on PPCs or on PPC's ebay store https://www.ebay.com/str/ppcsclearance?_trksid=p3542580.m47492.l74602

[bleak holly]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SSUPD/comments/1acy1mx/meshroom_s_atx_build_with_360_aio/

This was the black magic I spoke of.

The guy took the fan bracket from the back of the case and moved it to the front in order to mount more stuff.

[languid topaz]

that's pretty sick haha

[bleak holly]

How do they handle warranties and shipping?

[languid topaz]

iirc they do free shipping once you meet a certain $ threshold but that might be continental US since they're here in FL

[bleak holly]

Gotcha. I am currently in Playa Del Carmen, Mexico which is close to FL but still a different country.

@languid topaz I am gonna whip up a quick graphic of what I am thinking of doing for version 1 of the loop.

[languid topaz]

sounds good. If you buy multiple things off their ebay site, I think they can bundle shipping so it's cheaper but you gotta email them afik

they used to accept offers but I don't see any listings that do now

[languid topaz]

this is a nice pump/res that holds a lot of coolant https://www.performance-pcs.com/products/alphacool-core-200-aurora-d5-vpp-reservoir-acetal-acrylic-with-vpp655-pwm-pump

[languid topaz]

you're building in the same case as the one on reddit?

[bleak holly]

Yeah, it's the only case I found that fits full size parts without sacrificing flow or part sizes other than SFX psu.

The specific configuration is the SSUPD Meshroom V2 with the Fan Bracket and Aluminium Riser feet upgrade.

The benefit of this is I can bring it as a carry-on when I fly.

36 linear inches, the airline maxes out at 42.

[languid topaz]

this one has an option suitcase haha https://thermaltakeusa.com/collections/chassis/products/tr100-future-dusk-mini-tower-chassis-ca-11a-00snnn-00

only fits 1 240 & a 280 tho

[bleak holly]

The SSUPD V2 with addons fits an ATX board, 3 slot GPU up to 330mm, 240 rad in the back and a 360mm or longer rad up front with the external fan bracket. @languid topaz

[languid topaz]

oh shoot nvm, it only fits one rad

ya that's way bigger nvm

[bleak holly]

since the external fan bracket doesn't have a cap, I can fit a 600mm rad so long as it's only 120mm wide and up to 72mm deep (though then there'd be no space for fans).

granted that'd make it impossible to bring as a carry on but my point remains that it lets me have full size parts while being compact.

[languid topaz]

understandable

I've only ever done large PC builds. I've been meaning to try SFF someday

[bleak holly]

I got sick of the airlines breaking my pc parts...

They damaged my PSU and wrecked my fractal torrent case this time around

@languid topaz How much do you think a 240x28mm (16fpi) and 360x45mm (13fpi) rad can cool? Both Copper tubes/fins.

I'd like to eventually have my CPU, GPU (5080 upgrade soon), and ram all looped.

This is what the company SSUPD did for a custom loop in that case. @languid topaz

[mighty girder]

And what does one do after they die ?

[bleak holly]

Replace it or contact manufacturer for a new one. higher end AIOs come with 8-10 years warranties.

Mine, the LT720 has a 8 year warranty.

4 years in and going strong.

[tawny oxide]

Yeah, replace or talk to manufacturer like @bleak holly said
In my opinion, I just don’t use AIOs. They have negligible performance overhead, and I don’t like having fluid near my pc lmao

[bleak holly]

AIO is a must for me since even a low profile cooler still puts more weight and leverage on the socket/board than a AIO block.

[tawny oxide]

Yeah, in some cases they are better for space, but for the average gamer, you won’t need them.

I try to lead newer folks away from AIOs purely due to chances of failure, and mounting may be a little confusing.

[bleak holly]

@tawny oxide, @languid topaz, @subtle lodge, my soul hurts. After shipping and import, to do a Direct Die cpu loop with:

• Dracaena: 240x28+360x45mm Rad
• Dracaena: Fittings
• Dracaena: D5 Pump/Res + 300mm reservoir upgrade
• XSPC: 3/8 ID, 1/2 OD 6' EPDM tubes
• Tube Cutter
• Pressure Tester
• TG: Mycro Direct Die Pro CPU block
• TG: Delid-Die-Mate
• TG: Conformal Coating
• TG: Liquid Metal

All that is going to run me for about $700-800 USD to get to me in MX. about $250 is all freaking shipping and import.

[tawny oxide]

I’m betting you the reservoir upgrade is one of the bigger prices on there

[mighty girder]

Naaa I’ll be fine I don’t even need a aio

I’m getting the peerless assassin SE

[tawny oxide]

Good

[bleak holly]

cheapest actually lmao.

[tawny oxide]

Good cooler
Not heavy

[bleak holly]

It's a 300mm reservoir sold separately by Dracaena that I can remove the bottom and fit onto the D5 pump/res combo to expand my coolant capacity.

Since it's a reservoir not a pump it doesn't get charged import.

So it enables me to purchase a $60 D5 pump and upgrade it from 65mm res to a 300mm res for $30.

@tawny oxide

oh btw @tawny oxide I decided to replace my PSU then upgrade GPU before replacing the case then do waterloop. Thought you'd appreciate the info.

[tawny oxide]

I want this

https://mycherrytree.com/products/xxl-warp-core-gaming-pc-2nd-of-3

[tawny oxide]

You needed that PSU replacement before anything

[bleak holly]

agreed.

That was always first, but I will gonna do case second.

Decided that it's high time I retire my 3070.

It's been in service for 4 four long harsh years now lmao.

[tawny oxide]

My 9060 is just beginning

Wife’s 5700xt is gonna need retired
It’s getting hot even after a repaste

[bleak holly]

It's like a rip off tower 900 from TT. I like it.

[bleak holly]

I assume that's where the 3070 is going yes?

[tawny oxide]

Hopefully

If I can ever afford it

If I ever can do a custom loop, I want to do it in my behemoth. Aka my 2007 cooler master stacker 830

[bleak holly]

oh my drive bays lmao.

[tawny oxide]

I’ve removed them all

It took so long

To repaint that

[bleak holly]

neat setup.

Are those GPU cables dangling?

[tawny oxide]

Possibly

[subtle lodge]

Yeah that is why I am never water cooling

ever

With sff water cooling options are extremely limited anyway

[languid topaz]

I wish CoolerMaster would re-release this bad boy

[languid topaz]

you should be able to get the EPDM tubing at like auto parts stores. I'm pretty sure it's what they use for radiator hoses. how much is 6' of it? Grainger has 100' for $136 lol https://www.grainger.com/product/Tubing-EPDM-4CHN5?

Also... weren't you just in Alaska not too long ago?

[bleak holly]

6` is $50 + import

[bleak holly]

yes, I snowbirded back to Playa Del Carmen, Mexico. Next trip will be to Irvine, California.

[languid topaz]

maybe check your local auto store & see if they have it

[bleak holly]

gotcha.

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz @subtle lodge I just found out Noctua sells their Direct-Die mounting kit separates from the cooler! This means I can use my AIO as a cheap Direct Die solution.

Also apparently, all I need are 3.5-4mm spacers to do the mount without needing the special bracket

https://www.noctua.at/en/products/nm-dd1

[subtle lodge]

That is pretty cool

Also seems cheap

[bleak holly]

it retails for 5 Euro but it's hard to find so my plan is to have my friend 3D print it since the STL files are free.

[mighty girder]

montech King 45 pro or montech X5

[mighty girder]

i want a cooler that looks like Hyper 612 APEX

but cheaper

or a air cooler that looks really clean in the King 45 pro

or

what are the cleanest
air coolers
white

[wide parrot]

I think the really clean looking thermalright coolers are back but they have this

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YxcBD3/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-digital-argb-8889-cfm-cpu-cooler-peerless-assassin-120-digital-argb-white

There's also these but I have no idea if they're any good

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cTV2FT/apnx-ap1-v-763-cfm-cpu-cooler-ap1-5pipe-argb-wh
^only single tower 4 pipes for $30 is really ehhh
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RvcBD3/uphere-ue2tc6-68-cfm-cpu-cooler-ue2tc6

[bleak holly]

As a cheap Direct Die solution I plan to use washers to lower my LT720 AIO's coldplate to the dies with a TG direct die frame.

For the TiM should I use PTM7950 or Kryosheets? I don't want to use Liquid Metal because of potential welding and spilling. I will be covering the capacitors with kapton tape.

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz ?

[primal remnant]

https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-cl-p147-ca13sw-a-130mm-intel-lga-1150-intel-lga-1151-intel-lga-1155-intel-lga-1156-intel-lga-1200-intel-lga-1700-intel-lga-1851/p/N82E16835106792 i am pretty sure this cooler is the absolute shit

i'm buying one and nobody can discourage me. it's delightfully silly.

[wide parrot]

Go ahead but it will have poor performance and be loud AF

That heatsink is kinda pathetic compared to even a shite single tower

[bleak holly]

You are trolling yes?

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz, @subtle lodge, I found a reddit covering my exact interest in AIO direct die.
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/1jszj0t/anyone_have_experience_direct_die_cooling_9950x3d/

What I will need is:

• TG Direct Die V2 Frame

• TG AM5 Offset Mounting Kit (for lowering the coldplate and maintaining pressure

• Sandpaper to flatten the AIO's coldplate

• Kapton Tape or Conformal to cover the capacitors

• TiM which will be Kryosheets most likely.

[subtle lodge]

Be careful with sanding because you can't reverse a mistake

[bleak holly]

I was planning on using a 3,000 grit sandpaper on the dinning table's glass counter since I think that should be very flat.

Thoughts and openions?

I can purchase 5k and 7k grit if you think that's still to rough

This is everything I am looking at currently minus Sandpaper.
$200 USD approximately. @subtle lodge

[subtle lodge]

Yeah I am just concerned about flatness

Mirrors are really really flat

Might get some crazy looks but if you can take the mirror out

[bleak holly]

?

[bleak holly]

I thought mirror finish meant smooth? Don't I want a mirror finish?

[bleak holly]

Changed the list for LM method.

[languid topaz]

ah yes, a famous quote from my 13600K lol

[languid topaz]

I've used AIOs for direct die but on 10900K lol

[bleak holly]

Any tips?

[subtle lodge]

No I meant using a mirror instead of the glass table if you can, because of how flat mirrors are

[subtle lodge]

[bleak holly]

oh

[subtle lodge]

Should still be good enough tho

Just saying if you can get away with a mirror then try

If not then it should be fine tho

Just splitting hairs here

But if you reasonably can then why not

[mighty girder]

Thermaltake View 270V2 TG ARGB for 1690 NTD
Or
Montech 45 pro 2990 NTD

[bleak holly]

Noted.

Now the question is simple.

After a PSU replacement do I delid it or keep saving for a 5080. Hmmm..

[subtle lodge]

I think you should get the 5080 before delidding

You won't gain in game performance with delidding

[bleak holly]

Fair. I am already pushing this pretty far.

I think I might take your advice on the flying part as well and just disassemble my computer Into the individual parts and bring that as a carry-on rather than a whole case when I fly back to the US.

[subtle lodge]

I don't remember saying that

Prolly someone else

[bleak holly]

Hmm maybe.

Anyways, @subtle lodge how are you?

[primal remnant]

it is very quiiet, even though I am gaming and my PC is relatively open

temps don't go above 40ish for gaming

it manages to be so quiet because of the sheer size of the fan, which is 130mm

[wide parrot]

Most fans are 120 so that's not that big

[bleak holly]

What are you cooling with it?

[wide parrot]

Also curious what cpu lol

No way a 65W tdp is 40C under that thing

[languid topaz]

I used RockItCool's direct die frame & they sent me some shorter screws for my LF2. The only thing that really prevents success is if you have capacitors or other crap mounted on the board near the socket that would prevent you from using the coldplate closer to the board than usual

[bleak holly]

Mind sending me a link?

Oh wait, is this for the 10900K?

[languid topaz]

heck this was for 10th gen Intel I dunno if they even still make stuff

I used Thermal Grizzly for AM5

looks like they stopped after 13th gen Intel on their website

[bleak holly]

This is what I am currently looking at for what I think I need to do Direct Die using my AIO.

The offset kit provides the screws to lower the AIO according to TG and Reddit.

The Liquid Insulating tape is a black goop to insulate the capacitors.

@languid topaz you think I am missing anything?

[languid topaz]

the liquid tape is cheaper than conformal compound? Looks good otherwise as long as the direct die frame works for your CPU (I had to cut mine but it was V1 lol)

[bleak holly]

Drastically. $25 vs $60ish. Also this is 250ml vs 5ml.

[bleak holly]

I figured incase the DD frame did overlap the glue on my CPU, I can use some sand paper to shorten the edge.

[languid topaz]

IceMan on AliExpress (I dunno if you can get them anywhere else) might be worth checking out

my 12900K is direct die & the coldplate actually substitutes as the IHS

[bleak holly]

Isn't that the purpose of Direct Die?

[languid topaz]

I'm not sure if they have an AM5 version but I'm trying to figure it out

[bleak holly]

To remove the IHS as a middle-man

[bleak holly]

wth?

[languid topaz]

ya but usually the coldplate is still separate

[bleak holly]

Where'd you get that monstrosity.

[languid topaz]

lol eBay

[bleak holly]

... well damn.

[languid topaz]

you screw the block in over it with a gasket

[bleak holly]

I like that option way more than a separate coldplate.

[languid topaz]

it's permanently on there lol

[bleak holly]

Nothing a clothing iron and some fishing string can't undo!

[languid topaz]

I dunno if you can use it without gluing it on but at least everything that could bork the rest of the system is stuck in there

haha true. I might even be able to break it loose with my delid tool

I just haven't really wanted to

I kinda wanna get another one for benchmarking 13900KS

[bleak holly]

That's honestly a awesome IHS.

[languid topaz]

I have the EK direct die for that CPU and it's HORRIBLE

they have a direct die frame https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807424791349.html?

[bleak holly]

Pretty sure IceMan has a DD RAM block where the water flows through the dimms.

[languid topaz]

I dunon if they make the IHS replacement for AM5 tho. This is all I've found lol https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805050314139.html?

[bleak holly]

Oh neat, it's not that expensive either.

[bleak holly]

Is that Direct Die?

[languid topaz]

ya tbh the only reason I haven't ordered it before is I don't have an AliExpress account & I figured shipping would take awhile

it says it is in the item name

[bleak holly]

Whoops I missed it.

[languid topaz]

lol you had me second guessing it

[bleak holly]

Do you think the TG Mycro Pro is better?

I like that they have free shipping to MX.

Wondering because that's less than half the cost of TG's Mycro Direct Die.

[languid topaz]

lol holy crap https://www.bykski.us/collections/new-products/products/bykski-extreme-performance-multi-block-4-200w-heat-dissipation-radiator-9x120mm-support-cr-rd1080rc-tk100

[bleak holly]

lmfao.

The newest MORA Copy cat.

[languid topaz]

probably fits in a server rack

Alphacool has a 4x200mm fan version iirc

it fits 9x140mm

iirc

https://www.amazon.com/Alphacool-NexXxoS-Copper-Radiator-9x140mm/dp/B0813WHQKB

[bleak holly]

@languid topaz thank you for sharing the IceMan stuff with me. I just made an AliExpress ACC and saved it to the card.

[languid topaz]

I think I need to break down & make one myself

[tame grove]

When the customer wants a 9060XT 16GB worth of fans

[bleak holly]

A DD cooled CPU?

Btw I was right, IceMan is the brand that makes Direct Die RAM Blocks.

[languid topaz]

I use EK of Bykski RAM blocks

I've also had no issues with FreezerMod or whatever it's called tbh

my son's PC has been running 3800c14 2x16gb B-die at like 1.65 DRAM for years now

The listing is kinda deceptive. It actually only includes the RAM waterblock (no modules or rgb thing) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082Y6F5QK

but it's also like $30 lol

with a set of something like these, you can have basically everything (obviously not radiators, pump, fans, etc.) for less than $50 https://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Heatsink-Replacement-Computer-Cooling/dp/B0CKYRFBZ1/144-6603768-8438750?

the bykski block with two modules is about $75. They don't have the 2-DIMM version of the waterblock anymore (which is the only one I've used) but I've used the modules and they work just fine. https://www.bykski.us/collections/ram-blocks

which is about what Alphacool charges just for the waterblock & their modules are like $30/each

I don't think they even sell the EK ones I have anymore. They were called EK Monarchs iirc

[bleak holly]

Fair. The Iceman DD RAM which is the whole package is $100.

[subtle lodge]

Coulda saved like 55% by getting be quiet pure wings 3

[tame grove]

He could have saved more than that by using the 5x included reverse blades in the case and the included arctic pro fans like I recommended lol. But some people love that Noctua.

I was more surprised they don’t sell these in 2,3, or 5 packs with a slight discount

[subtle lodge]

Lian li goated for including that many fans

If he wanted to swap noctua on a cooler then I get it, but you’ll be running case fans at a low rpm so might as well stick with lian li

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

[tame grove]

They are for sure. And I’d get it if it wasn’t for the fact the stock fans on the LF3 Pro 360 are fantastic lol

[thick escarp]

What psu do you guys recommend for the 5080 gigabyte wind force I have a 1200 watt psu be quiet pure power but it doesn’t come with enough pcie cables for it

[languid topaz]

Btw I forgot, my direct die ihs coldplate thing for 12900K is made by SuperCool not Iceman. Apparently they have one for AM5 https://www.supercoolcomputer.com/en/product/49/water-block-direct-die-amd-ryzen-g9

[bleak holly]

Awesome!

Do you think this will perform the same as a Mycro block from TG?

[tame grove]

This is insane lol

[bleak holly]

Are those vibration pads for case fans?

[tame grove]

Yeah. Just all the spares from the 9x fans

[elfin trout]

Noctua does love making those things lol

[wide parrot]

Was it also the customers request that the anti vibration bits be installed on the wrong side of the fans?

[tame grove]

Each fan comes with the full fan black vibration pad, which is on the mounted side of each and every fan.

They chose the gray for now as the corner pieces on the exposed side.

[wide parrot]

Ohhhh I see it now lol

[wet burrow]

I need the silverstone flp02 so bad

it would save me the hassle of cutting up an old IBM to support a liquid cooler

[bleak holly]

Why not purchase a modern PC case? Any particular reason for one with drive bays?

[wet burrow]

I just like the old aesthetics

Not really a fan of sleek glass cases

[bleak holly]

What are you planning to cool with it?

[wet burrow]

Im gonna use a 240mm aio for the CPU but I do plan on doing a custom loop some day. The case supports up to a 360 rad