cpus-mobo-and-memory

[hoary echo]

or would it not do anything

[grizzled bloom]

Windows only uses what it needs for page file, so if the background processes can fit in the current working memory it'll use the memory

[hoary echo]

grrr

i love 30% ram usage idle

went from about 4 gb when i had 8gb to like 6 now

[grizzled bloom]

That's totally normal though. If it bugs you enough stop some programs and services on startup.

[hoary echo]

yeah i have disabled most of them but the worst offender is antimalware service executable randomly spiking to 20% cpu and crashing my games

[hard leaf]

or stop seeing your ram usage

[grizzled bloom]

A spike in usage would usually only trigger crashes if it's unstable somehow already. Drops in FPS, sure.

[cursive epoch]

^

[hoary echo]

well i mean my cpu is always pinned at 100% when im gaming

gpu sits at 60-100% depends on what game im playing

only causes bfv to crash not any of the other games though

[cerulean wadi]

gpu at 100% is good, cpu at 100% not.

[hoary echo]

cuh moment

[frosty depot]

Seems really weird to have cpu at 100% while gaming.

[grizzled bloom]

If it's a laptop 10300h like that I'm not surprised

[frosty depot]

Even the 6500 is only 20-30% while playing games

[burnt spear]

my 10500h bottlenecks my 3050 ti in a lot of games lmao

[frosty depot]

I didn't think about laptop

[grizzled bloom]

Power budget has to be split between CPU and GPU on a laptop, so one or the other is going to have to use less and drop to lower clocks

[burnt spear]

though, ram is the biggest issue. If i gamed on it even semi often id put a second 8gb stick in

but at this point i want to just trade it for an apu laptop

i should prolly post it on marketplace

[cerulean wadi]

In my experience 100% cpu always just effected overall game performance than 100% gpu. Plus, gotta have some leeway. Example is my old non-HT 3550 was a lot worse than the "3770" xeon I went to.

[grizzled bloom]

Zen 4 APU or just the current RDNA 2 ones?

[burnt spear]

prolly just the rdna 2 one, since most 6000 series have gpus in them

i havent seen one without

id love one, but i doubt id get a 1:1 trade for one, if theyre even sold yet

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that was the point of 6000, a 4000 replacement

They're sold but tricky to find one without a dGPU

[burnt spear]

5650u is prolly what id expect

be fine with intel too, 10th gen would suit my needs more than fine

i just do regular school work and need decent battery life

which a dgpu laptop does not provide well

it lasts like 3.5hr max when using google and such

[grizzled bloom]

There's this 😝 https://www.newegg.com/hp-elitebook-835-g9-wolf-pro-security-edition-6h5u5ut-aba-work-business/p/N82E16834273790?quicklink=true

[burnt spear]

Ouch

I think I'd rather my old 4030u laptop than spend that much on a laptop

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah at that point you just get a $1600 gaming laptop with a huge battery powered inverter

Capacity solved

Like this https://www.newegg.com/orico-pa500-2a4u-500-wh-generators/p/0JB-00EX-00003?Description=power station&cm_re=power_station-_-9SIA1DSES43909-_-Product&quicklink=true

[hoary echo]

Is 100c damaging to a laptop CPU long term?

[cursive epoch]

nope

not really

[grizzled bloom]

Their rated limit is designed to be a safe 24/7 temp

It can and will drop clocks to maintain temps though

[obtuse mountain]

so i shut down last night. got home from work today and booted up, took forever and both HDDs are gone.... what the hell man

[frosty depot]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techpowerup.com/295877/windows-defender-can-significantly-impact-intel-cpu-performance-we-have-the-fix%3Famp

[obtuse mountain]

more wierdness, sent pc to sleep and woke it up this morning now my 2tb is showing.... i dont even know how to trouble shoot it at this point. ill look more at it later after work...

[frosty depot]

Turn pc off, unplug psu, unplug your drives and plug them back in and make sure they are getting a solid connection.

Maybe blow out the connectors on the cord and drive itself like a Nintendo cartridge for good measure.

[dusky belfry]

Hey guys I wanted to ask most am4 motherboards today are all ryzen 5000 right? Or do I need to still do a bios update?

[eternal helm]

Depends on the CPU and board

[grizzled bloom]

500 series chipset are pretty likely to support 5000 but older ones will need an update

[eternal helm]

There's the main 5000 "x" sku's, then the "g" sku's, and then the recent 5600/5700/5800x3d skus

All with different launch points

[grizzled bloom]

Unless it's one of the new 5000 chips, then even 500 series will need updates

[eternal helm]

Depends on the board too, like an a320 may not support even a 5600x

Even though it's been over a year since it was released

[grizzled bloom]

Ironically A320 is more likely to support it than B450

[eternal helm]

Yeah

But both are still unlikely somewhat

If looking at something like a 5600 non x, your chances of any boards coming supported are quite low

[grizzled bloom]

Out of the box, still no way unless it's a B550/X570

[eternal helm]

Mhmm

[dusky belfry]

Ahh I see thanks yall

[wet sequoia]

Anyone have any experience with using PBO2 to undervolt a Ryzen 5000 cpu? 👀
I'm looking to check for stability without waiting to see if my PC randomly crashes
I've set an all-core undervolt to -30 (pretty aggressive, I know) and my clocks are up overall which is a good sign. So far everything's is okay knocks on wood But I was wondering if there was a way to make sure I'm not setting my system up for failure

[burnt spear]

run a bench and compare to stock results

[wet sequoia]

Like CB20?

[burnt spear]

23 i like

[wet sequoia]

Or gaming?

Cause I've done both and it's been stable

I saw a 7% increase in my CB20 score

I don't really check my frame rates in games, but I probably should lol

[burnt spear]

if perf went up, youre good then. just good to make sure youre not losing tons of perf

[grizzled bloom]

I do +150 boost with -15 all cores and -25mV personally

[burnt spear]

im not experienced with undervolt, but figured it was a good place to start

[wet sequoia]

I decided not to add to boost, just do the undervolt

[grizzled bloom]

Then no point using PBO to do it, just undervolt

[dull flint]

Cinebench is good for finding most effective clocks but not really for stability

[wet sequoia]

That's what I was thinking, which is why I was looking for an alternative

[dull flint]

I used OCCT to do mine but they have a core cycler tool now for testing curves

[grizzled bloom]

P95 for worst case scenario stability testing

[dull flint]

I don't know the details of it because I'd moved on at that point

[grizzled bloom]

Small fft

[dull flint]

Actually here's a fairly detailed guide https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/qikcbd/zen_3_pbo_curve_optimiser_tweaking_guide/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[digital kernel]

Bye

[daring blade]

anybody familiar with biostar mobos and whether they allow you to run internal graphics and gpus simultaneously?

[burnt spear]

well i wouldnt buy a biostar mobo, because they are absolute ***

but if you already own it then not much to do in that department

[daring blade]

yeah not mine, friend of mine is asking me and she built her own...I wouldnt have bought it either

[vast meadow]

They will, any motherboard with a non f intel cpu will

[daring blade]

I should clarify then, this is an amd cpu

[vast meadow]

Then unless it's a g series cpu it doesn't have integrated graphics

Like 3400g, 5600g etc

[shadow narwhal]

Hey everyone, I just picked up the gigabyte z690 Aorus Elite AX ddr5 MB. It says in the specs that it is “dual channel memory architecture”. Does this mean that if you use 4 sticks rather then 2 I would not benefit from the more sticks? Sorry for my ignorance! Lol

[burnt spear]

No, 4 sticks of ddr5 is ass atm

I wouldn't have gone with ddr5 at all yet, but if you already have it then what's done is done

[shadow narwhal]

Yeah, got it already. I mean it’s not opened up, but I know that it isn’t a great deal now, but I found a crazy good deal that was too good not to take up for future proofing. I just got two sticks and when prices go down, maybe I can get two more. Just trying to understand it a little more.

[grizzled bloom]

"Future proofing" isn't really a thing. Current motherboards simply can't go much faster than the current DDR5 allows so upgrading later is pointless.

[dreamy thicket]

Hi guys, what is a good price for a 1 year lightly used ryzen 7 5800x? only ran stock no oc as well.

[grizzled bloom]

You can get a used one for $250 right now on ebay so less than that

2 more available, top rated seller https://www.ebay.com/itm/295060534401

[slim anvil]

this is my ram right now: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DpYLrH/gskill-aegis-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-2666-memory-f4-2666c19s-16gis, is this a good stick or should a different one?

im looking to get one more so i was wondering if the same one would work

[burnt spear]

single channel ram is not good, first off

second, thats extremely slow

[slim anvil]

no i have single rn, i would get another to make it double

[burnt spear]

i wouldnt get a second one, instead id upgrade it as a whole

[slim anvil]

o'

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7 this is much better

[slim anvil]

like get 2 16s of another brand

[burnt spear]

you can sell the stick you have for like $40 or smthn like that

maybe 35

[slim anvil]

thats a good idea

how do i know the diff between faster and slower ones?

[burnt spear]

the speed and the timings

those for the stick you have are 2666c19

3200c16 is alright, its not high end but its a lot better than 2666c19

[slim anvil]

so is it just consistently just the higher number (3200c16 for example) is faster?

[burnt spear]

3600c16 would be a step up from 3200c16, same as 4000c18, but if i remember you have an amd cpu, amd cpus tend to not play well with speeds over 3600-3800 (depending on the generation, 2000 series prefers 3000 and sometimes 3200)

[burnt spear]

yes, 3600c18 is slightly better than 3200c16 but tends to not be worth the jump in price

[slim anvil]

ah i see

currently i have a nvidia but yeah i just bought an amd

coming in tomorrow

[burnt spear]

for cpu

not gpu

[slim anvil]

oh

read it wrong

[grizzled bloom]

There's a latency chart in the pins with a heatmap coloring to show good/bad speed/timing combos

[grizzled bloom]

I got my 2700 to run 3200 straight 14s with minimal effort

Probably could have done higher

[cerulean wadi]

Which cpu? Then we can say if 3600c18 would be "worth it" over 3200c16 for you.

[burnt spear]

my friends 3400g wont even run 3600 lol

wait no

it wouldnt run 3200*

had to put it at 3000

[slim anvil]

amd ryzen 6 3600

[grizzled bloom]

3600c18 would be good then so it can run the infinity fabric faster (how the cores talk to each other)

[vagrant geyser]

What's a fair price for a used Ryzen 3 3100

I have a new wraith stealth cooler to go with it

[grizzled bloom]

Like $25 max

[vagrant geyser]

Fr?

[grizzled bloom]

That's a trash chip

For the $100 it's selling for on eBay you can get a better one like a 4300g

[slim anvil]

price is higher then i would really want, how big would the diff be from 3200 to 3600 for me?

[burnt spear]

considering 12100f is $106 new

[grizzled bloom]

Probably not enough to justify more than a $10 difference

[slim anvil]

oh maybe i just clicked on the wrong one

i saw 3200 was 90ish

and 3600 was 130

for 2x16

[grizzled bloom]

You can get the 3200 and overclock it to 3600c18 probably

Depending on the memory die you get

[slim anvil]

i would need to find out how to do that, is it hard?

[grizzled bloom]

Nah we can help plug in the numbers you'd need

[cerulean wadi]

You can easily get 3600c18 for exactly $100 depending on brand... https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GkJgXL/

[slim anvil]

oh alright that could work

[grizzled bloom]

Team isn't bad for budget

Yeah that would do

[slim anvil]

alright ill add it so i remember that one

itll take a little bit, gotta work more to get more monies

[grizzled bloom]

Once you've got the money come back and we'll get you the latest deals, sales change often

[slim anvil]

sounds good, thank you guys

this server has helped me a ton

[grizzled bloom]

That's why we're here, happy to help

[cerulean wadi]

For now there's actually a few $100-105 options.

[slim anvil]

nice, thank you

[brazen quartz]

Any troubleshooters in chat? I got myself a problem

My ram is 3200 but it's running 2137.94 even tho xmp is on

[grizzled bloom]

It's not an immediate change, you need to save and exit

[brazen quartz]

I've had the same settings for months now I'm just getting around to it now

it should already be working

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200 and Gigabyte B550 AORUS Elite V2

I checked the corsair memory finder and the two are compatible

[grizzled bloom]

The memory multiplier is set to 38 so it's trying to do 3800

Your easiest bet it looks like is to reset to defaults and enable xmp again

[long geyser]

Btw pretty sure your camera lens is dirty

[scenic solar]

I'd like to understand this guide a bit better with your help, since I want to oc my vengeance rgb pro 3200 to something similar. What are (summarised) the many different things he change into bios? Like... why those voltages? Why those timings? What do they do?
Can I run the same setup or will it be different depending on the overall configuration, for example: I have 3600x and b550 gaming plus. He has 5600x and another mobo (MSI meg)
https://youtu.be/kpXb8J6FKsk

[burnt spear]

Its unlikely you'll be able to do that, you'd be lucky to get 3600c18

Also ram tuning is a PAIN

[scenic solar]

Yeah, I saw many comments saying the didn't get to 3800 but 3600 or 3400 cl15

[burnt spear]

Forks, pato, rawr, or fal might be able to help you in #overclocking

[scenic solar]

Already noticed that from all the bios settings

[vast meadow]

Only if it's a 3200cl14 kit

3200c16 will get like 3600c18

[scenic solar]

He was able to get 3800 cl16

Bruh

Even like 3600cl16 would be good for me

[vast meadow]

The only way he could do that is if he got a 3200c14 NOT c16

[scenic solar]

He also showed that he's got the 3200cl16 kit

[grizzled bloom]

That's possible but would take a lot of luck to get the right die for the job, especially with Corsair and how they love to give bad bin stuff on crappo PCB.

[vast meadow]

Also taiphoon is a terrible ram guesser because if it's an 8gb stick and Samsung it's gonna say b die kit no matter what, that's how you get ppl claiming they have 3200c16 b die

[grizzled bloom]

In the case of the video, Thaiphoon claimed 4Gb MFR but the version number said 4Gb CJR (5.22)

[vast meadow]

Taiphoon moment

[eternal helm]

I have 3200cl16 bdie frfr tho

4.31 pog

[vast meadow]

Yeah rare af tho

[eternal helm]

If you buy vengeance pro, it's not that uncommon

who would do such a thing

[cerulean wadi]

Pro tip: the Memory speed to the right often sticks to non-xmp. Check in windows w/ cpuz or w/e

[cyan raft]

Ngl I would be pissed if I was “lucky” and got bdie on Corsair ram

That crappy PCB would waste it so much

[grizzled bloom]

Right, worst b-die ever

[eternal helm]

dont say that

[grizzled bloom]

It is though

[eternal helm]

smh over this hp bdie?

[grizzled bloom]

Nah the HP was actually better

[eternal helm]

nah we needa diss just cause of brand

[grizzled bloom]

It was actually binned for b-die

unlike the 3200c16

[eternal helm]

purely based

[cerulean wadi]

The V10 stuff is actually pretty good (but I wouldn't stand that logo)

[frosty depot]

My eyes are bleeding

So ugly

[cursive epoch]

but they're good ram

[cerulean wadi]

Too ugly, and similar price to some other bdie kits also.

[amber canopy]

yea but it's HP so
1: they'll fuse with your motherboard so you can never swap them out
2: they'll curse your system

[errant grail]

you guys think b550 and 5600g will be compatible if i just use discrete gpu on it?

[vast meadow]

I think it looks kinda cool actually

[vast meadow]

Yes but you shouldn't buy either if using with a discrete gpu

[finite elm]

5560u and 5825u handheld performance gets me really excited for the 6600u and 6800u handhelds

[vast meadow]

Isn't there an aia(idk how to spell it)? Neo or something with one of those

[finite elm]

Aya Neo yea

the Oled that just launched on indiegogo has the 5560u and 5825u. Lightweight with an Oled screen. would be great. but the 6600u and 6800u handhelds are launching Q4.

[dull flint]

Aya neo air iirc, then the Ayn Loki as well

[finite elm]

if I was still waiting on the Steam Deck ( I got mine pretty early on) I would consider the cheapest of the Aya Neo Air. 499$, 5560u. OLED screen. the games I play would run great on it. The 6 Zen 3 cores instead of 4 Zen 2 cores helps balance out the Vega vs RDNA 2 igpu.

[finite elm]

ye

[dull flint]

I'm actually interested in the loki, It's like 600usd

[dull flint]

Onexplayer variant I believe is CN market only iirc

The amd one

There's one other, I can't remember the name at all

[finite elm]

Missing the Aya Neo Next II that was just announced.

Also the Ayn Loki Mini was swapped out. No more Celeron. instead they have a higher end one with a I3 1215U

Aokzoe

or however its spelled

[dull flint]

Oh the gpd

Win max 2

[finite elm]

Ye missing the GPD

[dull flint]

Loki seems the closest rn and honestly I'll probably have one by the time it's out

[finite elm]

I knew the GPD was gonna be a thing, but when I made the list the only info we had on it was the 1260p or 6800u

[dull flint]

Steam deck still not in Australia yet

[finite elm]

I preordered the Loki 6600u 256gb model.

I'm also tempted by the Aya neo air plus with the 1215u for 279$(Early bird price)

[dull flint]

Yea I'm eyeing the 6800u loki's

[finite elm]

6800u is gonna be a power house especially if they let you go over 15w. The older Ayaneo's let you go up to 28w.

of course that lowers battery life but still

[dull flint]

I'm pretty deadset on Zen 3+ rn, it's just a matter of time lol

I reckon it's gonna really give the steam deck a run for the money

You've got the lpddr5 in there now

Vs steam deck optimisation

[finite elm]

6600u should beat Steam Deck performance despite having 2 less CU's.

[dull flint]

Ye but also all the software work will definitely play a role I think

[finite elm]

you can put Steam OS on them 😛

[dull flint]

On loki's??

[finite elm]

Yea

[dull flint]

[finite elm]

on any of them

even the win 600 which has an athlon in it can have Steam OS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mcSdte-NPQ&ab_channel=ETAPRIME

[dull flint]

I would've thought they locked the OS down, that's nuts

And awesome

[finite elm]

they have no reason to. They only make money on the hardware

oh if you mean Valve yeah its not officially released yet,

[dull flint]

Oh ok

[finite elm]

you have to use HoloISO which is a repackaged version of the Steam Deck's reinstaller thingy

the recovery image, thats what its called

[vernal cosmos]

they cannot

its linux

[dull flint]

Oh yeah cos it's linux

I never linked that together ngl

I've always thought cos it's console, they'd try lock it down like xbox, sony and nintendo etc

So I always thought I'd be using windows on the other handhelds (depending which I ultimately pick)

[finite elm]

You're thinking locked down in a different term.

Android is Linux. But there are tons of different versions that are locked down. Like FireOS

[vernal cosmos]

theres always a way to take source and port when it comes to android

companies have to release source code

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200203720
heres the source for fireos

you can build from it if you wanted to and run on other devices

[finite elm]

Releasing the source code for someone to work out a port isn't really open in the sense we are addressing.

Even SteamOS had to be worked into a downloadedable software by someone else.

Someone did work out an installable version of FireOS, but Amazon didn't. to the general consumer it is locked down.

[vernal cosmos]

Open source simply doesnt work that way

[finite elm]

We aren't talking about open source

That's not what we meant by locked down.

[vernal cosmos]

You cant completely lock down open source software

thats literally contrary to what open source means

[finite elm]

Microsoft has the download for Windows on THEIR website.

The download for SteamOS is on a random github page not released by steam.

[cursive epoch]

well it's still open source tbh

even tho it's just source code

[finite elm]

No one's disputing that

[vernal cosmos]

https://store.steampowered.com/steamos

[finite elm]

That's a bad download

It's not the version on the Steam Deck. And the recovery image for the Steam Deck doesn't work on anything

Until the dude on github repackaged it into installable software

[vernal cosmos]

Ok because valve only wanted to build for the steam deck

that doesnt mean its locked down

since you can just build for other devices

since the source code is literally all available

[finite elm]

You aren't understanding what I'm saying.

[vernal cosmos]

sure ok not everyone has the skill to build for themselves

but that doesnt mean its locked down

[finite elm]

Had the dude not repackaged it for public use. You'd have to do it yourself. While that is "open" and accessible. Valve had nothing to do with that. Valve made no attempt to release an official install yet.

[vernal cosmos]

its locked down for practical purposes till someone with the required skill takes up the job of porting

thats a massive condition tho

you cant say its locked down

[finite elm]

It's not open to the general consumer.

[vernal cosmos]

you can say its locked down till someone releases a build that works on other stuff too

[vernal cosmos]

not permanantly

for some time only

so its not locked down

[finite elm]

It will eventually be way more accessible. When they do release the download tool officially.

[vernal cosmos]

Saying something thats open source is locked down is just not understanding what open source is

[crimson egret]

My friend just cleaned his cpu with 90% iso alcohol

Now the PC turns on

Ram lights up fans spin

But no picture out

Hes using an IGPU too

I cleared cmos

Reseated ram

Idk what else to do

[scenic solar]

Make sure the cooler is squishing the CPU enough, maybe some pins aren't making contact

[eternal helm]

But make sure it isn't too tight on an area, it needs consistent, even mounting pressure

Too much can also cause a CPU not to work

[terse grotto]

I have just upgraded from a Ryzen 3 3200g to a Ryzen 5 5600x in a B450M DS3h v2. It turns on lights and fans but no display

[hollow thorn]

Did you update bios beforehand?

[terse grotto]

No do I have to put my old cpu in then update it to do that

[hollow thorn]

Yea

B450 didn't support Zen 3 right away

[terse grotto]

But it does with a bios update right?

[hollow thorn]

Mhm

[terse grotto]

Ok thank you

[hollow thorn]

You can grab the update from gigabyte's website, you'll need a USB drive, after downloading the bios update, put it in the USB drive, go into bios, and update it from there

Don't trust updating bios from software, do it from bios

[terse grotto]

Ok I’ll try that

Well I’ve put in my old cpu and it’s still just black, Probably messed something up. Any thing I could do? 😬 I also can’t turn it off with the power button on the case

[grizzled bloom]

Clear cmos

[terse grotto]

Just take it off and let all the remaining power out right?

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

Says Intel but really applies to all

[terse grotto]

Ok thank you I’ll try that

[terse grotto]

I must have messed something up because it’s still just blank display my mouse and keyboard rgb isn’t lighting up either

[hollow thorn]

Check all the cables again

Clear cmos w battery method again

[terse grotto]

Ok thanks I will

[terse grotto]

Nothing happened, do you have any ideas to what I could’ve done to have this happen

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe some pins got bent or the cooler is on too tight

[terse grotto]

Would that cause it to not turn off when I push the power button

[grizzled bloom]

It could

[terse grotto]

Could it be my motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

Possibly but there's other things to rule out first

[eternal helm]

Bent pins is the most likely thing imo

[terse grotto]

I’ll check that

😞 there’s one pin missing and one pin bent it’s at the very top right of the back of the cpu luckily it’s my old one though

Any way to get bios updated without the old one?

[grizzled bloom]

Cheapest option is to get a cheap AM4 athlon for like $20

Or take it to a local shop and they'll do it for whatever they charge

[hollow thorn]

AMD might still offer the bios update kit thingy

[grizzled bloom]

They do afaik

[hollow thorn]

Short term loan boot kit
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100#faq-Short-Term-Processor-Loan-Boot-Kit
Although that'd be a lot more annoying than to just take it somewhere and have someone else flash it for you

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah but shops will charge $100-150

[terse grotto]

I’ve got that best but membership thing

Best Buy

[grizzled bloom]

I think best butt is accurate though

[terse grotto]

What do you mean?

[grizzled bloom]

But if that gets you discounted service you can give that a go

[terse grotto]

So no way to get a bios update for my motherboard without an older cpu

[hollow thorn]

Not on your board

[grizzled bloom]

Not without flashback, which that board doesn't have

[terse grotto]

Welp thanks for helping me though

[hollow thorn]

And well, if your old chip has a bent pin, see if you could bend it back with smth like a razor, perhaps the broken off pin wasn't useful

[terse grotto]

I’ll try

[grizzled bloom]

If we could find out which pin it was we would know https://www.docdroid.net/6cDW11N/am4-pinout-diagram-pdf

[hollow thorn]

Yeye was looking at the wikichips diagram but tbh it's more annoying for us to pinpoint which pin got broken off and bent than for them to just bend back the bent pin and try again

[terse grotto]

Very bottom right VSS bent and mb_DQS_[5] gone sounds important

[grizzled bloom]

VSS is fine but yeah I think the missing pin communicates with the motherboard

[hollow thorn]

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/packages/socket_am4

DRAM Differential Data Strobe apparently

[terse grotto]

Well there’s my problem

[grizzled bloom]

How good are you at soldering lol

[terse grotto]

My best bet is just bring to a shop honestly

[long geyser]

Cut paperclip works fine as a temp pin.
Also, a $15 - $20 CH341A BIOS programmer works nicely to flash BIOSes manually, if you have another PC/laptop laying around.

[errant grail]

rn he wants a pc but will save in the future for a 3060 or higher with his limited budget

[burnt spear]

I would get a 12100f and a cheap b660, can get a 1030 with the difference in price

And then switch gpu later

[burnt spear]

Also, what's the budget?

[uneven cosmos]

can anyone tell me how to have a consistent Mhz frequency? like my cpu will go to 800 then spike to 4,500 then 3,700 then down again and repeats

[burnt spear]

That's normal

When usage varies, speed will vary

You don't want it constant

[cursive epoch]

^

[uneven cosmos]

alright

[cursive epoch]

having it constant just wastes power

[uneven cosmos]

its just when i see 39c im like cool and then it jumps in mhz and then its at like 45c to 50c

[burnt spear]

And technichally could lead it to having a shorter life span

[burnt spear]

Yes

[cursive epoch]

normal lol

[burnt spear]

Because it's being used

And those Temps are nothing

[cursive epoch]

cpus these days can handle upwards of 100c

[uneven cosmos]

the lowest i've seen it was 32c for like 2 minutes lol

[cursive epoch]

without failing

[burnt spear]

You're fine up to 90c with most cpus

[cursive epoch]

ye

[burnt spear]

Then it starts throttling, but normally damage won't occur

Perf is just lost

[cursive epoch]

the temp limit listed is safe temp for 24/7 operation

but at 90c+ it'll begin throttling, ye

[burnt spear]

Mhm

^

@errant grail if their budget can fit this, I would do this. Otherwise take the gpu out and throw a $50 one in https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t9y7v3

Right now is a great time for budget builds

[devout moth]

Luffyy#1902 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[uneven cosmos]

;-;

[burnt spear]

Rip

[uneven cosmos]

ok so basically

[burnt spear]

I read 5900x and warzone

What cooler do you have?

[uneven cosmos]

had a bad cpu and could barely play warzone. i got a ryzen 5900x and wen i open warzone my pc restarts is there a possible issue?

[burnt spear]

What's your power supply, gpu, and how much ram do you habe

[uneven cosmos]

i have the msi meg coreliquid s360

[burnt spear]

@cursive epoch know anything about that aio?

Is that the one that's known for failing?

[cursive epoch]

no

it's just mediocre

[burnt spear]

Ah ok

[cursive epoch]

but no issues

[uneven cosmos]

850 watts. and a 1650. Im trying to get a new gpu lol. but it also restarts for apex legends as well. and i could play apex just fine on my old cpu

[burnt spear]

Well mediocres better than dead

[cursive epoch]

ye

[uneven cosmos]

16gb of ram as well

[burnt spear]

Does anything happen when it restarts?

[uneven cosmos]

nope. just restarts just like u first turn on ur pc. just opens up windows and u type ur password

[burnt spear]

Check windows event viewer

Doubtful a corrupt file. Otherwise it'd probably blue screen

Could also use geforce experience to optimize settings before launching, Could be launching high settings which your gpu might not like

[uneven cosmos]

what do i do in the viewer

[uneven cosmos]

possible

but with apex i have everything at low and it restarts after like 3 minutes

[burnt spear]

Hmm

That does sound like temp issues

Download hwinfo64

[cursive epoch]

sounds like it

gotta watch the temp while the game is running

[uneven cosmos]

i did, and i can play games like overwatch, valorant, rocket league, and etc with just 45-55c temps

[burnt spear]

You sure you're looking at the right one?

[uneven cosmos]

give me a sec.

how do u add games to geforce

its not detecting warzone but can detect overwatch lmfao this is some bull

[burnt spear]

That doesn't sound like the issue atm

I'd disregard that for the moment

[uneven cosmos]

im trying to add warzone so i can optimize it to see if the issue persists 😭

[burnt spear]

I've no idea, I'm not at my pc atm so I can't check

[uneven cosmos]

ok i figured it out

ima optimize it rq

still restarts the pc

cant even pull up hwinfo as its running either

pc restarts too fast

i can see if its overheating by turning on everything on max and see if it still restarts but idk

[burnt spear]

Are the fans in the aio spinning?

How much thermal paste did you use?

What case do you have and how is the aio mounted?

[uneven cosmos]

it came with preinstall thermal paste

aio is on the top of the case 360mm

[burnt spear]

Idle Temps don't mean anything

[burnt spear]

Now start warzone with hwinfo open

And see how high they get

[uneven cosmos]

it went to 60 and didnt go any higher then my pc restarted

[cursive epoch]

odd

[burnt spear]

Hmm

[cursive epoch]

i start to suspect it's psu tbh

[burnt spear]

Ram maybe foxy? But that wouldn't make any sense

Do you know the model of psu?

[cursive epoch]

ram wouldn't restart

it would bsod

[uneven cosmos]

how do i know how much wattage its using

[burnt spear]

Yeah that'd bluesceen

[burnt spear]

Wattage isn't everything

Do you know the model psu?

[uneven cosmos]

ya

[cursive epoch]

give us the model of the psu you have

[burnt spear]

What would that be

[uneven cosmos]

Aresgame Fully Modular 850watt cpu

[burnt spear]

Ah...

[cursive epoch]

that answers it

[burnt spear]

Aresgame is a phat meme

That is most likely your issue

[cursive epoch]

probably psu being crap

[uneven cosmos]

its a new psu so idk lol

[cursive epoch]

protections kept tripping or something

[burnt spear]

Lucky its just shutting off really

[cursive epoch]

return it

and get a better psu

[burnt spear]

Aresgame makes dog sh** psus

[uneven cosmos]

good to know

[burnt spear]

Like, actual bombs

[cursive epoch]

you're lucky it somehow didn't pop

[burnt spear]

The evga g6 850 is on sale right now for $105, that'll be fine to run any gpu currently out

Except maybe 3090 ti with your 5900x and heavy ocing

[devout moth]

Luffyy#1902 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[uneven cosmos]

omg

[cursive epoch]

i would do evga gt if you wanna go lower on the price bracket

750w one is around 70 i think

rn

[uneven cosmos]

i had a feeling aresgame was doodoo so i was gonna get the rog psu that shows u ur wattage on the lcd display

[cursive epoch]

rog psu is needless

[burnt spear]

Eh, considering they have a 5900x I'm assuming they want a higher tier gpu

[cursive epoch]

and it's not that good anyway

[burnt spear]

What gpu do you plan to get?

[cursive epoch]

for that price you can get a tier psu

maybe even s

[uneven cosmos]

7000 series ryzen but for now a 6750xt or 6850xt

[burnt spear]

6850xt doesn't exist

[devout moth]

Luffyy#1902 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Luffyy#1902 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[burnt spear]

You'd be fine with an asus tuf 650 for a 6750xf

Bruh

You'd think he'd learn

[cursive epoch]

bruh

[uneven cosmos]

😭

Ok it stops now

[burnt spear]

.

[uneven cosmos]

anyways

[burnt spear]

It's $60 at the moment

[cursive epoch]

yeah asus tuf 650 would be a decent replacement

in place of that crap

[burnt spear]

As foxy said, the GT is also nice, you'd be fine with a 6800xt on the 750w

[uneven cosmos]

alr thank you but if i wanted to go any higher which brands do u recommend?

[burnt spear]

850w evga g6

[cursive epoch]

don't go by brand tho

just go by model

[burnt spear]

Best price at the moment for an 850

[cursive epoch]

a brand can have bad products

[burnt spear]

Mhm

[cursive epoch]

evga even has crap psus

[burnt spear]

Evga has one of the worst psus, the N1

[cursive epoch]

ones that burns your pc down even

ye lol

N1 burns your pc down

[burnt spear]

Corsair has some of the best with the rmx, and one of the worst with the CV

[uneven cosmos]

alr i'll try to see what i can do about the PSU. But let's say i get a new psu and the issue still persists. what else do you guys think could be the cause

[cursive epoch]

like a dude had his pc burned down

[burnt spear]

Same with Thermaltake

[cursive epoch]

with evga n1

well i don't think a new psu is gonna cause anymore issues

[burnt spear]

That would be a great question, that bridge would be crossed if the river exists

[cursive epoch]

aresgame just makes trash PSUs

[burnt spear]

I'd imagine it's the psu cables

[cursive epoch]

they do paid reviews

[burnt spear]

^

[cursive epoch]

pays people to make good reviews

[uneven cosmos]

how would i return it if i got it off amazon lol. like whats the process

[burnt spear]

Alr I have to head off, if you have any other questions either ask foxy or dm me

Or ask someone else here

[cursive epoch]

get to your amazon orders

[burnt spear]

^

[cursive epoch]

there should be a return button

[burnt spear]

Yeah, returns and orders

Click return, go through that process it'll guide you

[uneven cosmos]

dope.

[burnt spear]

Print the return label, and then put the psu and everything that came with it back in the box it came in

And then put the return label on the box, and ship it

[uneven cosmos]

so much work lmao

its been too long since i had the psu

doesnt show up on the returns and orders

xD

[burnt spear]

When did you buy it?

In the last 30 days?

[uneven cosmos]

nop. it was just sitting in my closet till i got the rest of my parts it was delivered Mar 15

[burnt spear]

That's unfortunate

How much did it cost?

[uneven cosmos]

it was on sale for like uhhh 80$? or something opposed to 120$ it ran for

[burnt spear]

Might be able to sell it for like $30...

But it's kind of a necessity to replace it

[uneven cosmos]

110$ on amazon actually

[burnt spear]

No way to work around it

[uneven cosmos]

is the ROG thor series bad?

[burnt spear]

I just wouldn't recommend it at the price

[uneven cosmos]

opposed to the evga g6

[burnt spear]

The evga g6 is one of the best psus on the market

And is a super great price right now

[uneven cosmos]

ya i agree. i honestly shouldnt go for it rn. but i honestly like to be prepared cuz im gonna go for a 7000 series card and so far as i've seen no one has leaked the wattage and it could very well be over 500 watts just for like a mid entry gpu. Ex: 7600xt or 7700xt

[burnt spear]

No I just mean in the way of psus and the price for it

It doesnt offer any benefits over the g6

The g6 is actually a better psu iirc

So no point in paying more for it when it's the same quality or possibly worse

[devout moth]

Luffyy#1902 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Luffyy#1902 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[burnt spear]

My guy

Dude

[cursive epoch]

asus thor psu is just all flash but not that good

not again lmao

[grizzled bloom]

[uneven cosmos]

im gonna cry

ima get that psu whenever the next pay period is for my new job haha

[cursive epoch]

for now try to not play warzone

you're at risk of killing your rig

[burnt spear]

Here you go https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KqbTwP/evga-supernova-g6-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g6-0850-x1

[uneven cosmos]

gotcha. Ima just stick to overwatch, valorant, and other stuff

[uneven cosmos]

i got it added to my cart x)

[burnt spear]

Yeah, if it's tripping protections it means every time it happens there's a chance psu go whizz boom

[grizzled bloom]

Could try power limiting to avoid tripping OCP

[cursive epoch]

^

power limit the cpu

you lose perf but it's the only workaround

a 1650 won't have any issues with 5900x running low power limit

[uneven cosmos]

how do i power limit

[cursive epoch]

go into your bios

[uneven cosmos]

or is it just undervolting

[cursive epoch]

and set a power limit for the cpu

no, it's not undervolting

just keeping cpu from running above the set power limit

aka tdp

[uneven cosmos]

whats a good powerlimit for a 5900x

[grizzled bloom]

65W

[uneven cosmos]

alr

[grizzled bloom]

That'll maintain most of your single core performance, make it about as good as a 5600X

Which is still way more than it'll need for a 1650

[cursive epoch]

ye

[uneven cosmos]

so i still cant play warzone power limiting? or i might be able to

[cursive epoch]

then once you get a good psu

you can take that limit off

[grizzled bloom]

You can try it with the power limit on

[cursive epoch]

^

it probably won't shut down

cause the cpu is gonna be limited

considering other less heavy on cpu games didn't crash

[mild jackal]

If your CPU is what's tripping ocp, I think there are bigger issues

Just cut down the cores and disable smt or something

[uneven cosmos]

I found a screenshot of my bios and is this where i would power limit it?

[cursive epoch]

those values are for intel

but generally yes

[grizzled bloom]

AMD does it different

They don't use boost durations

[cursive epoch]

in terms of where you can find it at least

[mild jackal]

A 10600 sips power, you got some other issue

[cursive epoch]

idk much about amd power limit terms

[grizzled bloom]

It's a 5900X on a F tier PSU

[uneven cosmos]

thats a ss of someone elses bios xD

[mild jackal]

Get a new psu

[cursive epoch]

well he has 5900x

[burnt spear]

Hes going to

Meanwhile he's limiting

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah this is temporary fix

[cursive epoch]

^

until he gets the psu

[mild jackal]

Disable a ccx and smt I guess

Better to power limit the GPU imo

[cursive epoch]

it's a 1650

won't take more than 75w if it's the non 6pin ver

[uneven cosmos]

doodoo

no pin just only pcie express lane

[burnt spear]

Ye, if there is still an issue ig you could limit it just with after burner

But at that point warzone would be a bit of a pain lol

[uneven cosmos]

ya true

ima just not mess with anything. ima see what happens when i limit the cpu and if its still an issue i'll just revert it and not mess with it until next month or so

ok so pbo was supposed to be set to eco mode 65w right?

[cursive epoch]

just turn pbo off

no eco mode or anything

[grizzled bloom]

That would be worse

Eco 65W mode still allows it to boost

[cursive epoch]

ah

[grizzled bloom]

PBO off doesn't

[cursive epoch]

i thought pbo just only means auto cpu oc

[grizzled bloom]

That's auto mode

[cursive epoch]

hm okay

[burnt spear]

Pbo is single core boost pretty much, as far as I understand it

Let's single core boost to higher speed to allow higher perf

[uneven cosmos]

so disable pbo overall?

[burnt spear]

Yeah

[uneven cosmos]

does it honestly just hurt ur cpu xD

[burnt spear]

It doesnt, but it'll make it pull more watts

[uneven cosmos]

noted

[burnt spear]

It's fine to use once your psu is replaced

A ton of people daily it, I do

On my 3600

[uneven cosmos]

[grizzled bloom]

I have my PBO tuned pretty well and I expect it to last 5+ years

[uneven cosmos]

ok resetting again to turn it off

turned it off sheesh

[errant grail]

rn its around 800$

forgot im talking about cad prices

nt including psu since im giving him one

[vast meadow]

Just do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VRXNv3

Ohh

[errant grail]

yeah that was the plan why im using discrete for now save a better gpu for later

[vast meadow]

I mean if they can get another 80$
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/jxqgzf

[burnt spear]

I would highly recc saving the extra for patos list

That, or doing that list minus gpu and getting a cheap place holding like a 1030 or smthn like that

[errant grail]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/2KrXnt

what about this one?

not including psu since i have one for him

he didnt want amd card since none of us friends have any amd just incase something happen to the card

[vast meadow]

Lol what

There's literally 0 point in going 3050 over 6600

[errant grail]

he wants an nvidia over a amd card rn

[hollow thorn]

at least a 3060 I say

[errant grail]

on a tight budget sadly

[hollow thorn]

:p

[hollow thorn]

cheaper and with a 3060
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/hMR66r

oh and double the storage

:p

Sure it's less cores but 4500 kinda sucky

it's a 3600 with half the cache

basically same performance between the 10105 and 4500 in gaming
https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-4500

[cursive epoch]

4500 yucky

[hollow thorn]

anyways I say either way don't get a 250gb drive, it's just painful, at least 500gb

[cursive epoch]

^

[vast meadow]

But why

[vast meadow]

Btw that case is pricing errored on pcpp

[hollow thorn]

? looks like 60cad to me, I'm assuming delivery is cheaper if shipping not to the US

[vast meadow]

Oh nvm they must have fixed it, about a month ago it showed like 60 but was 100+

[hollow thorn]

wack

although wait

it doesn't have stock fans

I thought it was like p300a with a single fan

but no fans on the amazon listing it seems

[vast meadow]

Oof

[long geyser]

Price is usually 55 - 60, but no fans in that case by default. Only a good deal if you're buying your own fans.

[limber dragon]

but also zen2 with 2022 7nm fab goodness

also afaik its monolithic

[dense patio]

Currently taking another look at buying the Crucial Ballistix BL2K16G36C16U4B RAM right now and there is an Amazon warehouse deal for a "Used" set. It says
Item will come in original packaging. Packaging will be damaged. Medium (less than 1" x 1") cosmetic imperfection on the front of the item. Missing manual.
Ive bought from warehouse deals before and it's never been bad for me yet. It's going for £143.95 as opposed to new for £161.99.
Is there much harm in buying used RAM at all or not really. Especially based on that kind of a description

[grizzled bloom]

Used RAM is fine, there's no moving parts to wear out and the only way it can really be damaged is by badly overclocking it and putting like 1.7v into it

[dense patio]

Oh nice ok. So as long as someone hasn't done that with it then and just returned it, it should be fine.

[hollow thorn]

Halved l3 seemed to be what limits it

[limber dragon]

we tested with 5700g vs 5800x (has same half cache iirc) and once you get IF over 2100ish on the 5700g and 1900 on the 5800x, they have about the same performance

[grizzled bloom]

Now that's interesting. I'd love to run that experiment myself.

[limber dragon]

hudson had the 5700g engi sample, and a bunch of us had 5800xs

[grizzled bloom]

I believe you, I just think it would be fun to do

[limber dragon]

should be able to check on hwbot

I have a 4500 and a 3600, but the 3600 is also nutty and 4500 still in box

testing boot to windows frequencies, 4.9 all core at 1.3, 5.0 at 1.35

[hollow thorn]

Not even 1/2 actually, 4500 only gets 8mb l3, for reference, 3600 gets 32mb, 5700g gets 16mb still

Since you do have both, perhaps you should try benching games?

[eternal helm]

So yes 3600 is the best CPU of all time

[hollow thorn]

Or maybe the 3dmark CPU test

[limber dragon]

3600*

that are made after zen3 launched

I'll prob do cpu profiles

[errant grail]

all of us friends have nvidia card so he choose whatever we have and non of us can help him troubleshoot if something goes wrong

[hard leaf]

eh... nope

not all of us have nvidia cards, there are some amd users around to help troubleshoot any problem, that statement of yours is not true

[eternal helm]

Buy a Radeon and you won't ever need to troubleshoot
(This is just me shilling a company)

[vast meadow]

They're pretty similar tbh

That's probably the worst reason to go Nvidia

[grizzled bloom]

Reminds me of an old saying regarding friends and bridges

[vast meadow]

Lmao

[errant grail]

well its his money i did recommend him to buy amd 6600 which did fit 1000$ build and its his first pc build

so cant really say much to it

[lone zealot]

am i able to ask questions about ram here?

[burnt spear]

Yes

[lone zealot]

i have a mother board that supports ddr4 2993mhz ram

i currently have a 8gb 3200mhz

its running at 2993 because of mobo

I got a good deal on second hand ram by a friend

its one stick of 16gb 3200mhz

am i able to mix the 16gb and 8gb even though they are different brands, will dual channel still work for both of them

or should i get 2x8gb 3200 mhz

of the same brand

and scrap the one i already have rn

[burnt spear]

It depends on the die of the current stick of ram

The manufacturer of it

Something important though

Single channel ram is kinda ass

You want 2 sticks, so I would get 2x8 3200c16 instead of a single stick, it's a lot better

$47 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4FKHx/silicon-power-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5

Or $85 for a 32gb kit https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[lone zealot]

alrigh thx

since i already have an 8gb stick of ram

so

ill go for 2x8gb dual channel new ram?

and just leave out the old 8gb ram?

or use it aswell

[burnt spear]

Do you know the brand and model of it?

[lone zealot]

no :(

so im not sure whether or not i should jsut add it in or not

[dim cloak]

Do you have a picture of the ram perhaps with the sticker on it

[tender gulch]

Do y'all know if Micron's DDr4 ballistixs 3600 cl16 64gb version, was discontinued? I can't find it anywhere for months

[cyan raft]

Yeah Ballistix has been discontinued for almost half a year now

[naive pendant]

who stil hass a ancient cpu

i have a intel pentium 2nd gen

[vernal cosmos]

I have a pentium iii

[naive pendant]

nice

i also have that too

[cyan raft]

I got a couple Cyrix 6x86s

[cerulean wadi]

I still have Wolfy, aka E8400 wolfdale. I really should update it to Win10, but w/e.

[errant grail]

is r5 5500 good>

?

[grizzled bloom]

Good for what? In general, not really

[burnt spear]

Not for the price

[eternal helm]

it good for like $75, lol

[burnt spear]

Doesn't it perform the same as 12100f?

Or is it worse

[eternal helm]

somewhat yeah

its like a 3600 basically

[burnt spear]

Yeah, 12100f isn't far ahead is it?

[eternal helm]

may be a bit in some games idk

probs has better single core

[cerulean wadi]

12100K, come on Intel. w/ certain mobos (ext clock gen) they can do 5ish ghz

[burnt spear]

For why

12100k on a z690 would be painful

[eternal helm]

12100k and z690 would be cursed

yeah

you know damn well someone would put it on a $1500 z690 godlike

[burnt spear]

You know damn well someone already has

[cerulean wadi]

I mean you act like the 5ghz testing wasn't on a $300+ mobo, but the msi Pro A is only $180ish

[burnt spear]

12400f would still be better on a $100 mobo

[cerulean wadi]

Anyways Intel sure has wacky naming these days, for instance 12600(K)

[burnt spear]

Mhm

Though look at amd with the 5700x and 5700xt

Also 6900hs ans 6900s

[eternal helm]

12600k isnt even a i5

its a i6 imo

[cerulean wadi]

5600X3D or similar is what I'll be glancing at, afaik $300ish definitely not a budget 5600(X) replacement

[burnt spear]

I would be, if my mobo wasn't ass

[grizzled bloom]

Power limited 5800X3D would still beat a lot of things in a lot of games

[burnt spear]

Issue is I have no clue how to tell what I'd be fine with, though I guess I could look at reviews

No vrm temp sensors so even my 3600 could be crying

Actually ima look at comparisons rq

This one review says a stock 5900x was fine

Wat

Wait nvm wrong mobo, ignore me

[grizzled bloom]

95W eco mode should be fine imo

That's with no evidence to support my claim of course

[burnt spear]

Experience and general knowledge is enough, but I'm still probably going to go with a raptor lake cpu

Partially because I want to leave this build mostly whole, partially for peace of mind

Might throw in a cheap gpu and some ram to give the build to a cousin or sell it as a working build

[cerulean wadi]

I'm (probably) going RPL also. Got a bid on my z590 mobo so pretty much a guaranteed sell now, and a minimum $140ish w/ nearly a week left.

[mild jackal]

x3d is more temp limited than power limited, good luck cooling more than 90w

[cerulean wadi]

Extra cache puts out some heat huh.

[grizzled bloom]

More like putting the cache between the die and IHS makes it transfer heat worse

[eternal helm]

Another
Massive
Disappointment

[finite elm]

Where

Did you see me?

[hearty cave]

Is 64g of ram overkill

[scenic solar]

Probably yes

[hearty cave]

I have 32 and my friend gave me his old ram so now I have 64g

[frosty depot]

not generally a good idea to mix and match ram as they will have different timings.

especially with 64gb you may end up with a headache.

[hearty cave]

So basically it’s only good if I have spare of the exact same type

[frosty depot]

generally you want to try and buy the same ram at the same time to get as close as you can to the same batch.

[hearty cave]

Would that even be good

[frosty depot]

What do you need 64gb for anyways?

[hearty cave]

I don’t I’m just curious

Is 64g even good

[frosty depot]

Hm. I am not an expert on this subject past what I've already said so I will let someone else answer that for you. Sorry.

[hearty cave]

I do have that ram

So I just kind of want to use it

[frosty depot]

I want to say that 64 isn't as good as 32 when just using for daily for some reason that I can't remember.. and that 32 is the better option when not doing things that would require 64gb of ram

I think it has to do something with speed/channels

I could be very wrong though.

[burnt spear]

Depends on use case, but for the most part it doesn't help

If you're doing virtual machines, running a ton of crap at once (like, 30 different things and 100 chrome tabs), or for some workstations

But in general it doesn't help

[grizzled bloom]

64gb can actively hurt performance, even if it is a matched kit. The speed and timings will be a lot worse, especially if it's 4 sticks.

[hearty cave]

Then I’ll just put it in my server

I only had 16g

In my server

Not really that important but i guess

[vast meadow]

32 is the sweet spot for most users atm

[grizzled bloom]

16 is still fine for most but looking forward, 32 is getting more useful

[hard leaf]

64 puts a lot of pressure on the imc, so it actually huts perfomance as fal'cie said unless you really need the 64gb

[grave pilot]

https://imgur.com/a/IAezB7X hey guys. Can someone help me identify these old pc cards? What do they do?

[cursive epoch]

those are ISA cards

i honestly don't know what it exactly is

it could be a sound card

[grave pilot]

I think the wirey one is most likey a sound card but imma have to check

[cerulean wadi]

Lol talk about ancient. That white pcb actually is quite interesting. Would be fun to have leds on it or nearby.

[grave pilot]

Is certainly a looking. Just gotta figure out what they're for

[hard leaf]

why?

[grave pilot]

For fun! Im just curious

[hard leaf]

😛

the good ol' isa cards

maybe a scsi controller

[grave pilot]

Oh shoot maybe

[cerulean wadi]

Well any actual connectors on it? scsi is probably out, because:

[grave pilot]

Yeah no ports on it

But she did point out the motorola logo is on one so possibly a motherboard with a motorola cpu

So turns its a ram card but not just for any pc.

ITS FOR AN ALTAIR 8800

WE TALKING ONE OF IF NOT THE FIRST PERSONAL COMPUTER

[cursive epoch]

oh yeah

ram modules were huge back then

[finite elm]

I just want a 6800u handheld. Desktop gaming is dead

Mobile PC gaming > everything else

Steam Deck has shown me the light

All hail RDNA2 IGPU's

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[finite elm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fallontonight-tonightshow-ice-t-icet-6hzcLwqQ7AH4fPNR59

[grizzled bloom]

Can your 6800u push 21k in Time Spy? I THINK NOT
Lol people always will want that extra power just to have it

[finite elm]

only nerds care about benchmark scores

[grizzled bloom]

Excuse me do you see these glasses?
Of course I'm a nerd, probably 2/3 of the people here are

[finite elm]

Gaming anywhere > Benchmarks

[grizzled bloom]

I can still game anywhere

[finite elm]

Nah

[grizzled bloom]

Steam remote play

[finite elm]

Gaming Natively Anywhere > Benchmarks > Streaming

[cerulean wadi]

Can it run Crysis (at a decent FPS)? Yeah, that's what I thought. Get gud!

[grizzled bloom]

Actually it probably can

Even the remaster

At 1080p low or 720p high

[cerulean wadi]

edit: At least 1080p medium. (just messing around) -- been quite a while since I played any handheld.

[finite elm]

Yes

[sterile ledge]

Ok

Does anyone know what is happing with my new motherboard form Newegg?

I ordered an motherboard form Newegg and next day I get a 4px tracking number. It says it got picked up and then was on the way to the us. I go to look at the shipping process and this is what I see

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787083114308435998/994035721692270592/IMG_6237.png

How can it go through customs arrive in destination airport and then leave origin airport?

I don’t mind waiting for my package, but does anyone know what is happening?

(Sorry if wrong channel)

[eternal helm]

Could try dm'ing @glad socket

[sterile ledge]

I’ll try that

[eternal helm]

Good luck

[vagrant geyser]

Sold a Ryzen 3 3100 and a cooler for 90

W sale?

[sterile flower]

That's more than I would pay for it, so I guess

[cursive epoch]

^

[vagrant geyser]

Yeah me too tbh

[chilly narwhal]

a good tip, to choose a good x570 AMD motherboard, I like ASUS and MSI.

[burnt spear]

Buying based off of brand is stupid

Also, intel is better price/perf atm

And, if going amd (shouldn't unless used), b550s tend to be the better choice

[chilly narwhal]

I have an AMD Ryzen 7 5800x 8:core 5000 series processor, and a 3200 ddr4 -32gb ram memory, and a graphics target, ASUS KO-RTX 3060 Ti, 8gb. What mother do you recommend, 570.

[dull flint]

b550 aorus pro* is like the cheap goat board, you also got the AX V2 for a bit more

[chilly narwhal]

Amd the 570,tech way not.

[dull flint]

what are you plugging into the pcie slots of your motherboard?

just the 3060 ti?

[chilly narwhal]

Yes

[dull flint]

then you don't need X570

[chilly narwhal]

Ok,

[dull flint]

B550 is better value

[chilly narwhal]

So just explain to me why 570. no and why please and thanks

[dull flint]

X570 has more pcie connectivity and that's really the only standout difference

if you are only plugging in a gpu , it's mostly a waste of money unless you grab one super cheap that's good

[chilly narwhal]

Ok, I like ASUSor MSI

I like the values

[burnt spear]

The only benefits of x570 is more pcie lanes, other than that they tend to be worse than b550s

[chilly narwhal]

Cuestión for B550 I have to bios un date to 5000 Ryzen series

[burnt spear]

No

[chilly narwhal]

Ok

570-and B550 both do the same job

Only diferen is the pci slots

[dull flint]

basically yes, b550 tends to do better though

at oc

unless it's like, a crosshair VIII or a binned unify

[burnt spear]

B550a also just have better vrms

[chilly narwhal]

thank you I go for a B550,

Crosshairs son’s good.

Or MSI.

[dull flint]

I would go for gigabyte b550 aorus or vision personally

if you wanna go asus the TUF is decent, strix boards aren't

[chilly narwhal]

Ok,

[dull flint]

msi I don't remember much at all apart from unify

[chilly narwhal]

Ok,

thanks I will take find the ideas, with my 360 if I can run all the games,

360ti

Cuestión i have power supply 750 wt,or nid more power if I med 3 monitors,

[cerulean wadi]

Lcds are maybe 30w max and avg 15w give or take, check the labels. Also the psu doesnt power the monitors...

[chilly narwhal]

ok,t/y.

mother .gigabyte recommend me model. price and do the same.

which model an price you recoment to me ,and due the same

mother .gigabyte recommend me model. price and do the same.
[14:42]
which model an price you recoment to me ,and due the same

[dull flint]

B550 Aorus Pro v2, or MSI B550-A pro

[chilly narwhal]

I have a question, the gigabite aurus vision has integrated graphics so I have to buy a processor with integrated graphics, or, yes, why do I have my graphics, or is there no problem if I buy a processor with integrated graphics, it will affect my graphics.

[dull flint]

no you don't need integrated graphics

it's just available as an option

[chilly narwhal]

If I buy a graphics processor, I can use it for my graphics card and graphics motherboard simultaneously.

excuse my ignorance that's why I'm here, thank you.

[dull flint]

the 3060 ti I think does up to 4 screens which should be plenty

[chilly narwhal]

ok,but i can use the motherboard graphics,

and if the video card and processor with the graphics give good graphics.

[chilly narwhal]

Why do I get this on my monitor? It's a bad thing.

[grizzled bloom]

-14C is impossible without subzero cooling so you might have a bad sensor or program

[chilly narwhal]

check in the correct program that I have and it tells me this, 035.0c

I think everything is fine,

[hollow thorn]

need to clean up what programs you have installed then

[chilly narwhal]

but it is nothing that there is an error and my CPU is heating up.

[grizzled bloom]

Probably a conflicting program or a bad program, nothing serious but I'd uninstall that

[chilly narwhal]

I have two programs, for the graphics card I will have to remove one/.

[cerulean wadi]

Uninstall a bunch of that crap & just use hwinfo and/or gpuz/afterburner like most of us.

[chilly narwhal]

ok,if that's what i'm going to do. remove those programs and download afterbuener.

sed ,the link please.

send the link,afterburner

[cerulean wadi]

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html
https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

[chilly narwhal]

thanks,bro

[placid lake]

Complete theoretical, rn I have 32gb of ram. Were I wanting to upgrade, ideally I'd get the same set of DIMMs, but I will not be able to. Provided I plug the ram into the other set of free slots, it shouldn't cause trouble even if they're different right?

It certainly wouldn't be optimal, for sure

[cursive epoch]

It's always optimal just to get 4 stick kit

[placid lake]

It is, but I can't get the sticks

[cursive epoch]

There's a chance for two 2 stick kit to not work in 4

[placid lake]

Well, they should be fine in the proper channels, right?

Dim 1&3 are paired

And 2&4 are

[cursive epoch]

Most of the times, yes

[placid lake]

I know they are on my board

So long as I keep to that scheme it should work, right?