cpus-mobo-and-memory

[vast meadow]

no

212 is a waste of money

[vernal cosmos]

thermal paste isnt gonna help a trash cooler do good

[placid lake]

Already have it on my setup

[vernal cosmos]

just save up and get a better cooler

[vast meadow]

just buy a new cooler

[placid lake]

And can't afford both a new cooler and CPU now

But it'll work

Right?

[vast meadow]

lol

no

🔥

[placid lake]

As in

It's going to attach and fit

[vernal cosmos]

Its not gonna be fine temps wise

at all

[vast meadow]

and also dont buy 5800x now, poor value get 5700x

[vernal cosmos]

hyper 212 sucks\

[placid lake]

I'm getting the 5700x did I...

Did I make a mistake

[vast meadow]

evga clc280 is 62$ 5700x + 30$ more than you would have sent

[vernal cosmos]

did say 5700x smh

[vast meadow]

i read 5800x nvm

still

[placid lake]

I've been told here a Hyper212 will be sufficient for a low oc/stock 5700x before I get an AiO

[vernal cosmos]

fr tho on that cooler ur wasting money on premium thermaal paste

[placid lake]

Well, when I get the cooler I want, I should have enough in the tube to apply for the new cooler, no?

[vernal cosmos]

yes

[placid lake]

So I can squeeze a little bit more of performance out of the cooler, and have paste that's premium left over to use when I install the Arctic Liquid Freezer II

[vernal cosmos]

no you cant squeeze more perf outta a h212 with expensive paste

ur basically beating a dead horse there

[placid lake]

Well, I'll be beating that dead horse until I get a new one

Reasonably sure I've got a lot of overhead from my case alone

[vernal cosmos]

yeah but its not gonna achieve a thing

[vast meadow]

your case cant carry a cooler

[vernal cosmos]

just u wasting money on paste

[placid lake]

The paste on the CPU is there for at least 2-ish years so replacement is overdue methinks

Especially since I don't know the paste

[vernal cosmos]

doesnt mean you have to buy spensive stuff

thats just a waste on h212

[placid lake]

Well, I wouldn't if I didn't use it

And I will be getting a supposedly great AiO

[vernal cosmos]

liquid freezer comes with its own paste

thats very nais

[placid lake]

I wouldn't trust it since it's probably laid in a warehouse out here for ages

[vast meadow]

nah

[vernal cosmos]

Its not gonna be sitting exposed to the air

[vast meadow]

arctic has been selling out of the lf2 recently

brrr

[vernal cosmos]

also the paste you buy isnt exactly straight from the factory, delivered while still hot either

[placid lake]

Well, I'd be more inclined to trust it.

[vast meadow]

it will be perfectly fine

I have used ID cooling paste with my cooler, used it, 2 years later used on dads pc for repaste

[vernal cosmos]

Statistically you shouldnt... also, paste is finr for many many years as long as its kept sealed

[placid lake]

PAAINNNN and distrust

I've had bad experience with paste out here in the 2000's

[vernal cosmos]

You trust a h212 on a 5700x enough to upgrade to a 5700x but not the perfectly certified fine paste that comes with a great cooler?

[placid lake]

I don't trust manufacturer added freebies

[vernal cosmos]

its not free tho

its included in price

[placid lake]

Nothing is, I know

[vernal cosmos]

since without it, the cooler is useless

thats like saying you will buy a new backplate and cooler mounting kit because the one included is manufacturer added freebies

[placid lake]

Fair, still though

Also as far as install goes for the AiO, I need to mount a plate to the mobo from the back and then mount the pump to that

Right?

[vernal cosmos]

Paste as with all other components has completely changed since the 2000s

[placid lake]

Last cooler I installed was a no-name Compaq cooler on a business pc

[vernal cosmos]

just follow the instructions that come with the cooler

arctic has nice first party yt guides as well

[placid lake]

But in general, right? Just to know what I need to prep for

[vernal cosmos]

search on yt

[placid lake]

Since I found a reasonable deal on the nonargb version of the liquid freezer ii

Kinda wanted RGB but

Thanks to both of you though!

[bronze pebble]

would it be overkill if I get something like an Intel i9 or Ryzen 9 for both gaming and animation work?

[grizzled bloom]

What program for animation? It's definitely overkill for gaming

i5/R5 are really good price/performance for gamers

[bronze pebble]

well, I am trying out Blender, but I would like to expand to programs like Unreal Engine or CryEngine

[grizzled bloom]

You'd only need more cores for those if you're doing really large renders

Or extremely detailed renders like an 8k open world

[bronze pebble]

so would i7/R7 be more suitable? I mean I am not gonna be extremely detailed with everything.

I just do not want the CPU to be underpowered

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that should do nicely, a 12700k would be more than enough for 99% of tasks

[bronze pebble]

what kind of gpu would you recommend?

[cerulean wadi]

For cpu, could glance at the 12700(F) if at least $30ish less than the K models. Res? expectations? 1440p, 3060 ti, 3070, 3080, 6700 XT, 6800 XT.

[bronze pebble]

What's the slight differences between the F and K models?

It seems the F model consumes less power, but the frequency seems to be also lower.

[cursive epoch]

f is not k

there's kf

and f just means no igpu

kf means it's a k sku without igpu

as for the 12400f and 12600k

the differences are large

core count and performance isn't the same right out of the bat

12400f has 6c/12t

while 12600k/12600kf uses a combination of performance and efficiency cores

six performance cores, combined with four efficiency cores

thus it has 10 cores

[frosty depot]

I liked Arctics MX-4 that was included as a freebie with my LFII so much that I bought an 8g tube. My thermals are amazing with that stuff.

[finite elm]

noctua's thermal paste is fine/good/idk

[placid lake]

Well

[vernal cosmos]

Congratulations you bought paste that performs worse than the one thats included with the cooler

[placid lake]

What

[vernal cosmos]

Mastergel pro v2 performs worse than mx4

And mx4 is what comes with the liquid freezer

[placid lake]

Ffs

[vernal cosmos]

Cancel the order and just dont buy paste

Trust me

Itll be fine

This isnt the 2000s anymore

[placid lake]

Too late

[vernal cosmos]

No not really

just cancel order

[placid lake]

Nah, too late

[vernal cosmos]

if its all one order, cancel all and reorder the cooler and cpu

[placid lake]

Also; I'll use the paste for other things anyways, need to repaste the thermistor and cartridge on my printer

[vernal cosmos]

huh

ahh

[placid lake]

Time to find out if the paste will hold up to 220°C

[vernal cosmos]

how much is mx4 or mx5 in ur country

[placid lake]

Around the same price

[vernal cosmos]

then just do what pato and me suggested yesterday and buy that

better paste

[vernal cosmos]

im not sure it will

[placid lake]

It's already shipped

[vernal cosmos]

u can still cancel

[placid lake]

Old screenshot

[vernal cosmos]

you can cancel right up to its been delivered

after that u can return

amazon policy is nais

[finite elm]

What is an Anti Shill?

You oppose everything Nvidia? or just the shills

[vernal cosmos]

I shill against nvidia to annoy escanor

lmao

[finite elm]

The Nvidia Tegra is an outdated architecture and Nintendo shouldn't have partnered with NVidia to make the switch

[vernal cosmos]

if u do this, the paste is never gonna come off btw

[cursive epoch]

well

the tegra was good for its time

2017

[naive pendant]

If I were to buy some more ballistix from different store. What're the chances of me getting Rev E inside of a 32gb kit?

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on the speed and timings of the kit but you can usually pick it out. 3600 c16 kits are often rev.e from crucial.

[naive pendant]

Yeah?

Bc I'm buying them online and there's only 1 seller left and its from amazon lol

[grizzled bloom]

Amazon is tricky, make sure the part in the listing matches the one in the pictures.

And the description too

[naive pendant]

yeah

[grizzled bloom]

So many sellers copy/paste listings and don't change details, so you get an item totally different that you expected

[naive pendant]

Im just scared of looking up the ram and only finding 1 DIMM lol

is it called dimms?

the dies on the ram itself

[vernal cosmos]

those are mem modules

[vernal cosmos]

thats the entire stick of ram

[naive pendant]

oh lol

[vernal cosmos]

the black square things are memory modules

[vast meadow]

Very little unless it's 2nd or something, rev b is what you want in a 2x16gb kit anyway 16gb rev e is bleh

[vast meadow]

Rev e for 8gb sticks rev b for 16gb basically same for all ballistix bar the earlier stuff

[vernal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/your-mother-great-argument-however-megamind-your-mom-yo-mama-gif-22994712

[vast meadow]

Nooo

[naive pendant]

2nd?

[vast meadow]

2nd hand*

[naive pendant]

oh

well I have rev e's inside of my kits dont i?

one would think that consistency would be better esp when the ram is already tuned

[vast meadow]

2x8gb? That's rev e

[frosty depot]

Then whats my 2x16?

I thought mine was rev e..

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164177?item=N82E16820164177

[vast meadow]

Rev b

Most likely

[frosty depot]

Rev b is different than b die?

[vast meadow]

Yes

B die is Samsung

[frosty depot]

K so.. is running it at 1.5v bad?

[vast meadow]

Letter die = samsung
Rev letter = crucial
Letter JR = Hynix

Nah

[frosty depot]

K. I'm a bit confused then.. is my ram as good as bdie or rev e?

[naive pendant]

2x16

[vast meadow]

Most likely rev b then

[vast meadow]

Rev e

[frosty depot]

Rev e is better then?

No wonder I couldn't get the same timings as others

[naive pendant]

#overclocking message

[frosty depot]

Right? I remember Pato specifically suggesting the 2x16 ballistix to me because it was rev e and good for ocing lol

[naive pendant]

Depends if you have dual rank or not

[frosty depot]

I believe it is?

[vast meadow]

B die is better but rev e/b is farrr better value

[naive pendant]

^

[vast meadow]

Or getting higher frequencies

[vast meadow]

Rev b 16gb is just as good as rev e 8gb, if i said that i made a mistake

Rev e 16gb is bleh afaik

[frosty depot]

Oh ok.

So if I pull my ram out to check when I get home.. I'm gonna have to go back in and change my oc settings?

[naive pendant]

yeah you cant get a lower tWR based on my tests

I hastily tuned it down to 16 and launched a game and instantly saw a screen full of static

[frosty depot]

Gods are allowed to make mistakes.

[vast meadow]

Why would you?

[frosty depot]

Idk!

Lol to check if its dual rank or not lol

[naive pendant]

you dont need to lmao

if its stable then it works

[frosty depot]

I wanna know exactly what is in my system. Thats why I'm trippin on it rn

[naive pendant]

I just looked at mine to see if I could dial up the voltage

lol

[frosty depot]

Lower than what?

[naive pendant]

lower than 18 but thats based on what other people said

Pato managed to get his down to 14 iirc

[frosty depot]

Which one is twr? I'm at work atm so I can't look to see.

[frosty depot]

Nice 3600c14?

You think 4000c14 is possible?

[burnt spear]

4000c16 is

14 is unlikely

[frosty depot]

So far I've gotten to c16, but I had thought pato said maaaaaaybe could get to c14, but I know you've been all over that ram like a... well let's leave it at that. So I figured you'd be a good person that might be able to tell if it's possible.

[vast meadow]

@frosty depot if you go to the hwbot discord and take a pic of the sticker on the ram someone can probably tell you exact die

[frosty depot]

No sticker

[vast meadow]

Maybe, might have to do c15

[frosty depot]

I'll give it a shot.

[vast meadow]

You peeled it?

[frosty depot]

No

I don't believe they came with them on there

[vast meadow]

They all have a sticker

[frosty depot]

Hm

[vast meadow]

Not obvious iirc black sticker

[frosty depot]

Omg i took a pic of the ram when I got it with the sticker lol

So yeah it has sticker lol

Now I wonder why I did that... but good thing I did lol

[vast meadow]

Stonks

[frosty depot]

Yeaj crazy blurry pic.

[frosty depot]

@vast meadow

[naive pendant]

interesting

[vast meadow]

Ahh rip

[frosty depot]

Yeah thanks pato for having me get less than better ram.

:P

[vast meadow]

(((;ꏿ_ꏿ;)))

[frosty depot]

It's doing the job. And now I don't feel so bad about wanting to upgrade to white rgb ram

So... suggestions @vast meadow ? Give ya a chance to redeem yourself? Hehe

[vast meadow]

Still very good for the price

[vast meadow]

White ballistix :)

[devout moth]

liki#6944 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

liki#6944 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[frosty depot]

rgb?

bleh, there doesn't seem to be a 2x16gb 3200 white with rgb.. There are 2x8gb 3200 white with rgb though.. but I want 32gb..

oh and there is a 2x32gb 3200 white with rgb, but $417... and I don't think I will ever need that much ram

What kind of performance hit could I expect using OCed 4x8gb vs 2x16gb?

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

2x16gb is usually easier to get better

[frosty depot]

But there is no RGB version of 2x16 in white.

at least not available that I can see.

Is there any other 2x16 white rgb worth getting?

[vast meadow]

Prolly not ballistix was disconnected

[frosty depot]

yeah. it seems that was a popular one for people as it's the only one that isn't in stock in any of the colors/frequency combos

Is there any bdie?

[vast meadow]

Hmm

Lemme see

[vast meadow]

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331816

Spensive but ye

[burnt spear]

Jesus

Oh c14

[vast meadow]

14-15-15-35 ye

[frosty depot]

and that's highly ocable?

like I could get 4000 or more?

[vast meadow]

Prolly, it's b die

[frosty depot]

ok, I'm thinking I will get it

[hard leaf]

thats sexy on so many levels

but expensive af

[cursive epoch]

normal price for 32 gigs

and cl14

[vast meadow]

Eh bit more expensive cuz rgb/white

[hard leaf]

still pardon my ignorance, but in what kind of applications a cl14 is noticeably better/faster than a cl16?

[burnt spear]

ocs better, lower latency so it has a faster response time i think?

[hard leaf]

cause the cl18 to 16 gap is not much of an issue, but cl16 to 14... like holy nuts (money related)

[burnt spear]

dont quote me on that

c18 to c16 is, mainly because of the subtimings most of the time

[hard leaf]

yeah i bet for oc purposes, outside of that should be hardly noticeable i guess

[burnt spear]

3600c16 ocs a good bit better than c18

[main pulsar]

depends on the application/platform

for you? no difference

[hard leaf]

cant argue against that

im the typical joe who buys a cl16 over a cl18 for 30 usd more because.... why not?

should be better right? 😛

[cerulean wadi]

Generally much different dies too. Idk if crucial even really has much 3600c18 crap, unlike CoarseHair and many others. - @hard leaf yea would be $40ish more if I was thinking of when ballistix 3200 was under $110, but that price is long gone.

[hard leaf]

yeah its sad to see corsiar making bling rgb memory stick but horrible perfomance vs other brands

and way overpriced

[main pulsar]

bling rgb is literally corsairs shtick

they always do that with everything

🤢

[hard leaf]

i had on my cart ripjaws sticks, 3600c16, for like 140 or so.... the c18 version is like 110... so 30 maybe 40 max

[main pulsar]

140?

did dram prices go back up?

oh, canadian?

[hard leaf]

no, us

[main pulsar]

oh 32gb?

[burnt spear]

32gb?

[hard leaf]

ye

[main pulsar]

ah

[hard leaf]

had the itch to go for the c14 kit but it was a 100 more, so no thx im good at 16

[burnt spear]

c14 is only worth it if youre doing ocing for benching

or if you have too much money

[hard leaf]

damn capitalism, buying things you dont need but somehow you want

yeah thought the same, stick to the c16 kit, i wont be able to notice the difference anyway

however im grateful for the education, didnt knew the uses for a c14 until now... oc

[frosty depot]

I guess I'm in the minority about buying it to OC it, but no benchmark 😄

I mainly just want the ram Pato linked for the looks.

but I want the option to OC and benchmark if I choose to do so in the future.

which is why I bought the K model of my cpu

but also.. 5.2ghz daily sounded really appealing to me

[frosty depot]

luckily I'll have worked 110 hours by saturday so next friday (payday) will be a nice fatty chunk.

[vast meadow]

This week???

That doesn't sound legal

Murica momen

[frosty depot]

this pay period. I haven't had an actual day off in almost 3 months..

well like 4 days off. but they weren't in a row

[vast meadow]

Ohhhhhh

[frosty depot]

so I work 7 days a week with a few doubles

my shifts are often 9-10 hours

[vast meadow]

I deadass thought you worked 16 hours shifts the whole week

[frosty depot]

I have. about a month and a half ago

we are severely understaffed

How do you think I've been buying all this stuff? 😄

[vast meadow]

@hard leaf ram is like college, you get 2/3, grades, social life, sleep accept it's timings, frequency and price
Lower times better
Higher frequency better
Lower price obviously better
You want to balance all 3

[vast meadow]

Murica moment

[frosty depot]

wait until my monitor comes in this monday and I will take a vid/pic of my whole setup.

I've been waiting..

[vast meadow]

Idk could have been a diamond smuggler in your spare time x)

[frosty depot]

I'll show you what it looked like 2 months ago compared to now

still looks a bit basic compared to others.. but you'll notice a difference,.

[broken grail]

Would u trust the gigabyte app to update the bios?

or should I do it old school

[vast meadow]

Old school

[wicked gorge]

Random question for a travel build xD what's the smallest mobo I can get that is still decent enough to have wireless built-in, also be able to use ryzen integrated graphics? I'm trying to go for small and cheap, wanna build it into a suitcase I use for work 😆
I personally see the Mini-ITX, but don't know if able to go smaller than that.

I know I could go with a laptop, but this sounds like it be fun.

[grizzled bloom]

Well there's a mini DTX X570 board but it's $400 lol

If budget is the #1 concern then https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zBn8TW/asrock-a520m-itxac-mini-itx-am4-motherboard-a520m-itxac

[wicked gorge]

Well if I can get my job to pay for it I'll keep that in mind 😆

O also that top one is getting a little long.

[wicked gorge]

also thank you haha sorry for rudeness and not thanking you

[vocal grail]

Question for you guys. I'm trying to order new memory for my new laptop. I'm a bit hung up on the part numbers and if I'm getting single rank or dual rank for it. A few videos I've seen said single rank is better for the 6800m but it seems like I've ordered 2 kits of dual rank, one on accident because I misread the PN and one because the seller sent me the wrong stuff.

The Laptop is a https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-g15-advantage-edition-15-6-fhd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-5900hx-16gb-memory-radeonrx-6800m-512gb-ssd/6466550.p?skuId=6466550

This kit is supposed to be single rank I believe but I'm not sure. Could someone please help me figure this out? But the seller on Newegg sent me an 2 single packaged 16 gig sticks with a different part number. KF432S20IB/16 instead of KF432S20IB1/16. SO I'm not happy about recieving and unmatched kit and I'm pretty sure I got they sent the wrong stuff anyway. Dual vs Single Rank.

https://www.newegg.com/kingston-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820242625?Item=9SIBBRMHR05510 (edited)

This is the 1st kit that I mistakenly ordered and I believe is single rank.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BGLKD4M?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
Kingston Technology HyperX Impact 32GB 3200MHz DDR4 CL20 SODIMM (Ki...
Equip your notebook or small form factor machine with HyperX Impact DDR4 SODIMM and minimize system lag. XMP-ready in capacities up to 64GB, Plug n Play Impact DDR4 automatically overclocks to the highest frequency published, up to 3200MHz1, to support the latest Intel and AMD CPU technologies. I...

So now I have 500$ in RAM sitting here that I am pretty sure is the wrong stuff

[hollow thorn]

I'm not sure why the GPU would care about the ram considering the 6800m gets itself 12gb of gddr6 and not shared mem? For the CPU, the CPU shouldn't care that much, and most 2x16gb kits will be dual rank kits, so either kit should work just fine.

as a side note, according to kingston,
KF432S20IB/16 is single rank
KF432S20IB1/16 is dual rank

[long geyser]

Ranks improve bandwidth and latency at the cost of more stress for the CPU IMC. 99% of the time it'll improve perf, which is why its ideal to stick with having multiple ranks per channel (and ideally dual rank dimms for interweaving tech).

[vocal grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD6vhg7iqPY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XCeAdFqsKg&t=46s

@hollow thorn can you please break down for me how you determined which was dual rank or single rank so I can learn how to read the spec sheet? Thanks!

[hollow thorn]

they're talking about subtimings lol, nothing to do with single rank or dual rank

from previous testing on desktop zen 3 dual rank should actually help with performance

[hollow thorn]

If it says 1Rx16, that's single rank, if it says 2Rx8, that's dual rank

[vocal grail]

@hollow thorn I'll try and find the other video that was going over dual vs single rank. Also where did you find anything with 1Rx16 or 2Rx8?

[hollow thorn]

I just seriously doubt it because it doesn't make sense to me, but here

[vocal grail]

okay that's what I thought when I looked it up earlier but there were conflicting user reviews on Amazon and Newegg. Thanks

[vocal grail]

Of course Buildzoid has a good break down of the why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2bFzQTQ9aI

facepalm....why didn't I check him first

[hard leaf]

guys.... is this https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374379?Item=N82E16820374379 any better than a 3600cl16 kit? the timings are... odd and i cant find a benchmark on those timings vs a ddr 3600c16

[vocal grail]

That's DDR5 so it's apples and oranges

[hard leaf]

ok better question them... i know the first number is very important, but what about the last one? is very high on that ddr5 kit... again, forgive my ignorance, just trying to see if a deal with those is worth for gaming on 1440

[dull flint]

It's better than most ddr4 XMP's out there going by hardware unboxed, but price/performance it's going to be way worse for value

[vocal grail]

https://youtu.be/CtGXAZznKSc

[hard leaf]

yeah im fully aware of the price gap between 4 and 5, just trying to secure an upgrade path on a ddr5 plattaform instead of just killing any upgradeability on ddr4

[vocal grail]

Are you building a new system or looking to upgrade a current system?

[dull flint]

If you must pick DDR5 @hard leaf , kingston fury 6000's are supposed to be hynix chips which clock better than the rest (albeit it's not the best hynix money can buy)

They also have good heatsinks, I can personally attest for this

[hard leaf]

building new, or lets say, preparing it for summer raptor lake or am5

[dull flint]

So you can expect somewhere in the range of 6600-7000MT/s depending on the board

[hard leaf]

hmmm

[vocal grail]

mmmm am5

[dull flint]

AM5 I'd have no idea about tho

I'm quoting 12th gen

[hard leaf]

yeah am5 is still terra incognita

[vocal grail]

I'd go AM5 period if you're looking for upgrade path since AMD is going to be the same platform for longer than intel.

[hard leaf]

yeah im very inclined to those, thats why im tailoring pieces in advance

[dull flint]

I would actually wait for AM5 to see if it behaves differently with DDR5

You'll also see price drops by then

[vocal grail]

yep, without demand DDR5 will stay higher priced

[dull flint]

The kingston fury 6000's are really a good buy tho, very cheap for hynix

(in ddr5 terms I mean)

[dull flint]

Inb4 anyone says ddr5 expensive

[hard leaf]

yeah, ddr4 and raptor will be end of life for those 2

so ill try to get the best bang for my buck when am5 hits

thx for the tips and the video, ill check that now 😄

[grizzled bloom]

This is unconfirmed. In interviews AMD employees don't even want to guess at the life span of AM5.

[frosty depot]

So, if my fan controller is powered through SATA.. does that mean I can have as many fans as I want on my argb header?

Or is the argb still pulling current? I noticed that the argb cord that goes from my controller to the header only has 1 wire so I feel like the only thing it's doing is asking the mobo what color to put the leds.

[vast meadow]

Rgb headers still have a limit unless you get sata hub

[frosty depot]

My controller is powered through sata?

[frosty depot]

.

[vast meadow]

Yes but I'm saying you'd want pwm and rgb hubs

[frosty depot]

I guess I'm not sure what a hub is then.

[vast meadow]

Controller/hub same diff

[frosty depot]

Ok it is a pwm/rgb hub

I have both argb headers and pwm fan headers on the hub.

I guess what I'm asking is.. can I connect one hub to the other.. then connect that chain to 1 argb header.. since both hubs are sata powered.

[vast meadow]

Ah then you should be able to use all the headers you like

[vast meadow]

Umm probably

[frosty depot]

Ok. I just don't want to overload my argb header. But like I said there is only 1 wire going from the argb header to the hub.. so I feel like there is no real power being drawn.

[vast meadow]

You could have some weird issues but in theory it should work

Only one rgb header on your board?

[frosty depot]

Same with the pwm cord.. it only has 1 wire which i think is just the pwm signal.

[frosty depot]

1 wire in the cord that goes from header to hub.

I'm not home or id take a pic and show.

But like the the cord from the fan to the connecter has 3 wires.. i assume positive/negative/argb signal.

The led cord from the hub to the mobo only has 1 wire which i assume is just argb signal.

That make sense @vast meadow ?

[vast meadow]

Hmmmmm

Gonna need pics

[frosty depot]

Hehehe

I drew one for ya :P

[vast meadow]

Got it

Yeah probably just carrying the signal

[frosty depot]

So I could probably put as many fans as I want on that right?

On one header*

As long as it goes through a hub with sata power

[vast meadow]

Theoretically

But i feel you might have signal fall off

Shouldn't happen if you only had 1 daisy chained tho?

[frosty depot]

Ah, I didn't think about that, but I also didn't think I could put 100 on there either.

[vast meadow]

100 fans brrr

[frosty depot]

I was planning on having maybe 10-12 on one header possibly..

[vast meadow]

You sure your mobo doesn't have more rgb headers lol?

[frosty depot]

It has 3 jrainbow and 1 rgb.

I have plans for 2 of the jrainbow IF I can put 10-12 on the 1 header

[vast meadow]

So 3 argb then? Maybe just get argb fans

[frosty depot]

I do have argb fans

I never said anything about rgb fans lol

[frosty depot]

:)

[vast meadow]

Jrainbow is argb i think?

[frosty depot]

Yes jrainbow is argb

For my mobo

[vast meadow]

What plans

Confusion

[frosty depot]

Something simple.

I want to link my gpu bracket led with the temp of my gpu... and the rear exhaust fan with the temp of my cpu.

[vast meadow]

Can you not do that with hub?

[frosty depot]

I can't set individual fans colors with the hub.

[dull flint]

Usually the single wires on those hub plugs are just data afaik

[frosty depot]

So whatever hub my bracket is set to.. all other fans would change color as well and thats not what I want.

I want just the bracket to change color. Which is why I need it on its own header.

[dull flint]

I think you need different plugs/hubs for different readings, if this is iCUE

Iirc

[frosty depot]

Not icue

Antec

[dull flint]

Oh my b

[vast meadow]

Pepehans

[frosty depot]

Huh?

[vast meadow]

Pepehans

[dull flint]

I think the most limiting part of this is you want 3 different rgb profiles basically

[vast meadow]

Pepehans is pepehands's german cousin

[dull flint]

Mobos usually with only 2 headers

[frosty depot]

I have 3 argb headers and 1 rgb header

[vast meadow]

Mobo has 3 headers he just wants a crap load of fans

[dull flint]

Well you can use an msi board and program individual headers in icue with it

[frosty depot]

One 1 header* :D

[vast meadow]

Get non a rgb gpu bracket instead?

[dull flint]

So you could program 3 different things (gpu, cpu, rest bla)

[vast meadow]

Ic*e there's children in this server ffs

[frosty depot]

Lol

[vast meadow]

As in just rgb

[frosty depot]

I literally just got bracket in mail

[vast meadow]

Uno reverse it

[frosty depot]

No way.

I like this bracket.

[vast meadow]

Lol

It should be okay

[dull flint]

So jrainbow one would be gpu bracket, jrainbow 2 cpu temp fan, jrainbow 3 all the other fans if daisy chaining works

One 2 3

I'm weird

[frosty depot]

Correct

[frosty depot]

If mobo blow up i blame you ok?

I was gonna try it anyways because I saw the only 1 wire from header to hub so I figured it was just signal, but I was seeing if there was anyone in here that has done this before.

Actually now that I'm recounting.. it'll be 14 fans on the header

[dull flint]

Pretty sure it's just signal

Just be wary of how many fans per hub

[frosty depot]

With the rear exhaust being fan # 15 in my build lol

[frosty depot]

Sata powered for 1 and hub only has 5 led slots.

[dull flint]

Wait how 14

3 hub??

[vast meadow]

Sure, you get my pato garuntee
Warning pato garuntee is not legally binding, terms & conditions may apply, side effects may include blown up motherboard, loss of money, nuclear warfare [1], change in your like towards pato, dizziness from any possible explosion and debt from hospital visits causes by said explosions
1[pixel rom for samsung a52 by @vernal cosmos ]

[frosty depot]

I technically have 4 hubs. I have another 3 fans i can't fit in my case.

[dull flint]

A i r f l o w

[frosty depot]

But yes my current build has 4 hubs

[vast meadow]

How

[frosty depot]

3 antec and 1 corsair that came with case.

[frosty depot]

What you mean how?

I screwed em in.

[vast meadow]

15 fans in a 5000d

[frosty depot]

[vast meadow]

1 rear, 3 top, 3 side, 3 front that's uhh 10 sir

[dull flint]

I can count 13

Where are the other two

[frosty depot]

Hm. Ok I do have 13.

[vast meadow]

Another 3 if you push pull

[frosty depot]

Wonder why I thought 15.

[dull flint]

Lol

[frosty depot]

I guess i still have 5 fans left over

Thought I only had 3.

[dull flint]

Mans got so much airflow lost count

[frosty depot]

But yeah 13

[vast meadow]

Did you like my garuntee?

[cerulean wadi]

Unlucky number of fans

[frosty depot]

Lmao

[dull flint]

Reduce to 7 fans for more luck

[frosty depot]

Did you see my diagram for you?

[frosty depot]

13 is a good #

[vast meadow]

Ignore the nuclear warfare part, what nuclear warfare part

Idk what you're talking about

[vast meadow]

I did i did

[frosty depot]

The pic I drew for you lol

[vast meadow]

Am aware was talking to myself

[frosty depot]

Oh

No comment on your name? Lol

[cerulean wadi]

Apparently not. Why comment on own name.

[frosty depot]

Did you see the pic I drew? Lol

[vast meadow]

Hey pato how's your day going

Hi pato my day is going good how are you

[frosty depot]

I thought I was being clever. I guess whatever lol

[vast meadow]

I saw the antec prizm shill bit i just chose to ignore

X)

[frosty depot]

Waow lol

The fans are what made the back side of my pc look horrible..

Guess I can go back in and redo that part when I get off work.

[vast meadow]

Who cares that's what the back panel is for

[frosty depot]

I care knowing what a jumbled mess the fan wires are.

[dull flint]

Reduce to 7 fans

For more luck

And better back

[frosty depot]

Thatll leave like 6 open spaces lol

If there's a spot for it.. I'm sticking it in there.

I ALMOST put 2 fans on the psu shroud, but I know that would have literally no effect whatsoever.

[frosty depot]

Heck, maybe I'll still do it just because.

[dim cloak]

i have 9 intakes and 1 exhaust

[cursive epoch]

bruh

[long geyser]

Make it 11 intakes and -1 exhaust

[dim cloak]

The 5000D experience with 3 front intake, 3 side intake, and 3 top intake with one rear exhaust I get positive pressure for sure

[cursive epoch]

yikes

[vast meadow]

Top intake is working against gravity, bet you'll get better temps with it exhausting

[grizzled bloom]

Close, thermodynamics. Heat rises.
It's a small effect but can make a few degrees difference in cases like this.

[vast meadow]

Ah ye that's the right word

[long geyser]

I highly doubt it'd be more then 0.75c difference unless fans are spinning so slow they end up stalling just by looking at them weirdly.

[limber dragon]

Jokes on you guys, thermodynamics would only come into affect if there were no fans

[long geyser]

Or if fan airflow is as weak as thermodynamics airflow.

[devout moth]

Heretical Bug#0690 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[placid lake]

Might be a dumb question, but I've installed my new CPU and AiO in and all is snazzy but

After running time spy without any tweaking, I get this result

But after a slight automatic profiled oc via the Ryzen app, and with opened BAR, I get a lower score

But I swear the pc overall feels zippier in the second result

Is this just good old statistics drift and reasonable floatation of point results?

[grizzled bloom]

Resizeable bar on its own can help or hurt some tasks +/- 3%

[placid lake]

Ah

I read as much

Though I'd assume it'd help with something like a benchmark

But I'd also assume that oc would inscreas CPU scores too

[grizzled bloom]

What kind of overclock did you do? Manual OC is often worse than PBO

[placid lake]

Not manual, it's just curves in the Ryzen master app

Just automatically assigned stuff done after some profiling

[grizzled bloom]

Just the curve optimizer? That's another thing that can hurt

[placid lake]

The pc definetely feels faster and performs better than stock though

It might just be good old copium and placebo, especially since I didn't get a chance to stress proper

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, but do boost override +150 and see how you do then

[placid lake]

Eh?

[grizzled bloom]

That lets the boost frequency go up to 150 MHz higher

[placid lake]

Oh no, it's already higher on base limit, not sure about boost

I'm away from my pc ATM so I'm unable to give concrete numbers

[grizzled bloom]

Should be able to do that without voltage adjusting too unless you have a bad sample

[placid lake]

But I'm close to 150+ base clock

[grizzled bloom]

Base clock doesn't matter, it'll never be at base

[placid lake]

As in the top limit before boost from what I can read

Lest it shows max as boosted

[grizzled bloom]

Ok how about this, check your core frequency in hwinfo and see how much above the stock max boost you are. You can run a light task like the calculator to prod it into boosting.

[placid lake]

I should have my bruh hit me with screenies from the Ryzen app and at least task manager

[grizzled bloom]

Task manager is terrible for CPU stats

[placid lake]

Still

I should have my brother hit me with a cpuz screenie

There we go

[grizzled bloom]

Ok so it does say 4.75 max boost and your stock is 4.6 so you're at +100 probably since AMD likes to put their chips above spec.

[placid lake]

Ye

I should have thermal wiggle room since I barely broke 60°c

In the latest time spy I tried with the Ryzen app tweaks

[grizzled bloom]

You might even be able to do +200, I'm not sure how the binning is on those 5700X

[placid lake]

Eh, that's for when I read up more on ut

[grizzled bloom]

All I know for sure is the chip is essentially a clocked down 5800X, but not why they clocked it there

[placid lake]

Ah

Probably lower quality silicon, I'd wager

From higher tier chips

[grizzled bloom]

That's one possibility, but Ryzen yields have been good lately. No way to know but to test it.

[placid lake]

Fair

Though as I said, it confuses me how timespy dropper after oc and bar

Even though in theory the increase in throughput should help

[grizzled bloom]

Theory vs reality

It should but it doesn't always

[placid lake]

Fair once again I suppose

But especially for the benchmark task

Where you're cramming data through

[frosty depot]

For example.. I had my gpu clock at 160, but my score dropped 10 points. I put clock at 165 scored dropped a further 10. I dropped clock back down to 155 and scored jumped back up by 20.

[placid lake]

whyyyyy

Why can't things be simple again

[frosty depot]

Because it can't handle that much.

[grizzled bloom]

That's another possible scenario, the additional heat load causes it to drop boost bins

[placid lake]

Timespy is a modern bench though, right?

[frosty depot]

I'm literally benching right now. Been for the last 2 hours now.

[grizzled bloom]

Time spy extreme is the latest from 3dmark

Besides port royal

[devout moth]

Heretical Bug#0690 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[placid lake]

Hah

He k

Heck

I'm not paying 3D mark for something I would sporadically use

[grizzled bloom]

It's been $5 on sale pretty frequently

[frosty depot]

I'm so close to getting this oc dialed in

Maybe 1 or 2 more tests.

3 at most.

[frosty depot]

I'll have to keep an eye out for this

On steam?

[grizzled bloom]

Usually. Put it on your wishlist and it'll let you know.

[placid lake]

Eg

Eh

Too sporadic for me to value it even there

[frosty depot]

Is this the "Time Spy Upgrade" on steam?

I don't see anything that says extreme

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah the extreme version is included with that

[frosty depot]

Ok. I can use it with the 3d mark demo? Or do I need to spend $ on getting the full version?

[grizzled bloom]

It would be in the full version, the upgrade is basically buying the full thing

https://benchmarks.ul.com/3dmark

Ooh I just saw this too, new one coming soon so expect sales https://benchmarks.ul.com/news/get-ready-for-3dmark-speed-way

[frosty depot]

upgrade is $10 though vs $30 for the paid 3d mark

[grizzled bloom]

Oh right, then the upgrade is for people that only have the older 3dmark paid edition and don't have the newer benches

[mild jackal]

The full version goes on sale for $5 often

[grizzled bloom]

Yep. Already advised the steam wishlist too.

I assume you've seen the new Speed Way bench @mild jackal ? Looking forward to having sub-60 fps on a 3090?

[mild jackal]

yeah, lol.

[hybrid grove]

How much of a difference would going from 32gb 3200 cl16 to 32gb 3600 cl14 make. (Paired with 5800x and 6750xt)

[burnt spear]

Not enough to justify the price increase

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe 10% best case because of increased infinity fabric speed

[frosty depot]

Make sure you get rgb ram because rgb = 100% increase in performance.

[hybrid grove]

Was actually thinking about going non rgb this time. So much cheaper

I won't being paying anything out of pocket so doesn't matter either way lol

[burnt spear]

Rgb, especially with ram, adds a lot of cost

[hybrid grove]

I get gift cards for selling certain things from work so I usually just claim Amazon cards.

Was just curious how much I should get my hopes up performance wise lol

[vast meadow]

Not worth it tbh

You could probably oc to 3600cl18 if you don't mind putting in some work tho

[gilded cape]

Anyone know with a budget of $200 for a cpu, is Ryzen or intel better?

[burnt spear]

are you making a whole new build

[grizzled bloom]

Intel is generally better for new builds price/performance but if you have AM4 already no point changing platforms

[vast meadow]

They never listen to anything you say btw just keep asking repeat questions

[cursive epoch]

oof

[dim cloak]

It's still great to know that a great budget PC for under $1k USD can be done with Intel 12th gen

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah 12100 and 12400 are great for budget PCs

[burnt spear]

12100f 3060 ti doable for what, $950?

$900? I forget

Though 12400f and 6650xt>

[grizzled bloom]

If you get the whole PC yeah under 1k easy, but if you can salvage parts from old builds even lower

[burnt spear]

Mm

[dim cloak]

I did snag one of y'all's list that someone made with a 12400F and it had a 6600 and I have a friend looking to build his first PC and that list worked

[vast meadow]

How about 12400f 6700xt for 970 😎
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tvZmxs

[burnt spear]

Def worth to cut out the heatsink and get the 1tb mp33 imo

Great price on that psu too

[vast meadow]

That would basically bring it to 1k plus the tower cooler will help with vrm temps over stock

[eternal helm]

Imo may as well just do this https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4494093

Better psu and possibly faster gpu

[vast meadow]

Oh yeah forgot that combo

[eternal helm]

Ye back in stock yeeeee

[gilded cape]

No I’m not

[gilded cape]

I have a 5600g but l just ended up getting a graphics card

[grizzled bloom]

Well if you wanted to go Intel you'd need to change motherboards, so you can instead put the motherboard cost into a higher tier CPU and get the 5700X

Then you can sell the 5600g

[gilded cape]

I thought of getting a different motherboard anyway no matter if l stayed with amd so would switching to intel just be better since l mainly just use a pc for gaming? Where can l sell the 5600g?

[grizzled bloom]

Pick your favorite used market. Facebook, ebay, craigslist, r/hardwareswap...

[gilded cape]

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

Intel is better for new builds right now for price/performance, and you're basically doing a new build if you're swapping mobos

[gilded cape]

The gpu l managed to get was a 3050 if that helps when picking out the cpu

[grizzled bloom]

12400 is about equal to a 5600X, so in effect it's the performance of a single generational jump over your 5600g

12500 isn't worth it unless you want the higher power iGPU

[gilded cape]

So l should end up getting the 12400 eventually?

[grizzled bloom]

That's my recommendation yes, unless you wanted to do $245 for the 12600KF

[gilded cape]

Ok l will get one of those then

It says the 12600kf is $260

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FXFJW2F

[gilded cape]

It might not be that price when l decide to buy it though

[grizzled bloom]

Or it could be lower by the same logic

[gilded cape]

Yeah l guess so

[frosty depot]

Is there like a normal price point on release of new gen intel i9s?

Like, how much should I expect to save up to for the 13900k

[grizzled bloom]

9900k and 10900k were $500, 11900k was $550, and 12900k was $600. So it's been creeping up. Maybe save $650 to be safe.

[frosty depot]

Thank you. I have plenty of time to save up that much then.

Plus, with gpu prices being down, I should have a healthy chunk left after my taxes finally show up.

[grizzled bloom]

Nice

[gloomy mantle]

Is this the place to ask a question about CPUs

[frosty depot]

yep yep

[gloomy mantle]

Rad

Need some help settling a debate. If someone wanted to buy a PC right now just for gaming then would they be better served buying a pc with an intel 12700k or a Ryzen 5800X3D.

Would the 12700k's ability to use DDR5 RAM make it a better option in a few years from now over the 3D V-cache of the 5800X3D

[frosty depot]

with the LGA 1700 mobo you'd be able to upgrade to 13th gen later.

and yes ddr5 will probably be the bees knees

within the next couple years.

a lot of us are looking to upgrade to ddr5 instead of upgrading to better ddr4

plus.. I love my 12th gen soooo I may be bias.

[gloomy mantle]

Gotcha. Thanks for the input, bud

I appreciate it

[burnt spear]

Ddr5 isn't worth it atm

I would get a 12700f and msi b660 mag bazooka with ddr4 ram

[hard leaf]

hmmm asrock z690 extreme on sale... seems... juicy

newegg tempting me with these emails D:

[cyan raft]

Eww assrock

[hard leaf]

hate the model, not the brand my friend

[vast meadow]

12700(f) + ddr4 +b660 is the best option, 12700k(f) + z690 + ddr4 if you wanna oc

[vernal cosmos]

asrock intel board in general have been trash the last few generations

[hard leaf]

well, that adds a little more context

and too little reviews to that one, seems ok but very few usb ports at the back 😛

[grizzled bloom]

The main issue with asrock on Intel right now is they have been adding in underperforming and undercooled VRM, and to compensate they put power limits on all the chips. If you recall, 12th gen isn't supposed to have power limits like that, there's no more Tau boost period.

[burnt spear]

My assrock b550 doesn't have vrm sensors

The io is also kinda sad

[vast meadow]

Asrock do make some nice b550s tho

Like steel legend

[grizzled bloom]

Sure, some of their more expensive models are good. But cheap ones are trash

[hard leaf]

nice to have you around guys for these tips

[grizzled bloom]

I'd place most of them under the DS3H

[vast meadow]

Well steel legend b550 is pretty cheap

[grizzled bloom]

I'm still talking Intel

[vast meadow]

But yeah

Ahh

Taichi is nice

That's about it on intel

Z690 steel legend maybe can't remember

[hard leaf]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162029?Item=N82E16813162029 check this one, 13 power stages 60 amps... seems... ok but yeah, too few reviews

and the io yup kinda sad

nice try newegg

mails with offers like these tempt me to buy rn... must be stronger than that

[grizzled bloom]

Looks like it's a no frills board but their 12900k results did have a 5% lower score than expected in cinebench so some throttling was probably happening

Might be ok for a 12700k

[vast meadow]

But z690 a pro better board and cheaper :o

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.funkykit.com/reviews/motherboards/asrock-z690-extreme-motherboard-review/6/

Yeah totally go for Pro Z690-A over that

[hard leaf]

220 the wifi version, not bad

yeah solid choice and no need for an offer, updating my cart, thx for the assist guys 😄

[vast meadow]

I still think it's cool gigabyte is offering this nice cheap good motherboard only flaw is it can blue screen in pcie 4.0 but no issues with 3.0 also nice because usually itx premium
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XRPQzy/gigabyte-z690i-aorus-ultra-lite-ddr4-rev-10-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-z690i-aorus-ultra-lite-ddr4-rev-10

[hard leaf]

my cart so far pato

need to swap the 12th for a 13th only....

just a couple months more

[vernal cosmos]

use phone instead of webcam smh

[hard leaf]

dont want to kill my battery so fast, samsung a30, 3 years old i think

[vernal cosmos]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dqbTwP/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-32gvk
Equally good kit of ram for cheaper

[vernal cosmos]

pc has plenty usb ports

[hard leaf]

hmmm the ram, yes, good choice

ill update my cart

[vast meadow]

Would also go diff mobo

And if waiting for 13th gen prices/availablity/competing products will change

[hard leaf]

yeah ofc, this isnt its final fom

its updating until raptor lake

while the sweraing jar keep growing

maybe in some months ill have enough to upgrade to the i9

maybe

[vast meadow]

I9s are rarely worth it

[hard leaf]

really? this one is the one you guys usually recommend to everyone D:

[cyan raft]

Haven’t seen someone recommend a tomahawk in a while

[vast meadow]

It's a good motherboard just bad value

B660m mortar wifi would be a cheaper option

[hard leaf]

sadly i dont want an m version

i have a 5000x ready for the build and an m version could be a little.... little

[cyan raft]

Why not just go for a b660 a pro?

[vast meadow]

Ofc you'll have b760 boards to choose from by that time but this is cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nGRYcf/msi-pro-z690-p-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-p-ddr4

[vast meadow]

Or that

But 20$ more for a z board and better vmrs ehhhh

[hard leaf]

i like the better vrms part

maybe ill go to a 13700k and a beefy mobo

[grizzled bloom]

Better VRMs only worth it if you plan to overclock

And if you do 13700k then you'll probably want a Z790 board and DDR5

Next gen boards will (hopefully) solve the issues where you can't get above ~6800 or so without a top end board with 2 slots

As it is currently with DDR5 most boards can't even hit the highest jedec spec of 7200

[hard leaf]

yeah probably ill step up to ddr5+690+13700k

rn that build is around 900, ill plan to spend almost 1.2-1.3 when raptor lake hits

well is the roof of the budget

[eternal helm]

Doesn't that have a higher first word and probs would need G2?

[grizzled bloom]

You can do 4000 gear 1 on 12th gen if you bump SA/IO to 1.35v

[eternal helm]

Ah ok

[frosty depot]

Using phone as webcam makes phone get hot.

You're tellin people to ruin their battery in their phone lol

[midnight pollen]

it's a good option if you only occasionally need a webcam, no sense in getting a 50-100usd webcam if you rarely use it

[frosty depot]

I always see sales on good Webcam for $10. Staples regularly puts theirs on clearance for example

[midnight pollen]

ye but those are complete crap, it's like the camera quality in phones from 10 years ago

im just saying it's an option for those that don't need another thing taking up space that is still somewhat decent

if your only in a video call once a month no need for more clutter

[frosty depot]

I mean, I got a 70 cam for 10 and its pretty good qlty

What i mean is.. 10 for a cam that you may or may not use often is better than putting unnecessary wear and tear on a phone battery.

The phone battery ends up costing more in the long run.

Like I get using your phone in a pinch, but if you know you are gonna be in a video call at least once a month, it's a solid investment imo. I personally only use mine once a month if that, but the fact that it was $10 and really doesn't take up any space considering it sits on top a monitor is good to me.

[eternal helm]

Only get made fun of for having 144p potato looking footage once a month?

[midnight pollen]

lol

[hybrid grove]

Is using 4 sticks of ram really that bad? I've watched benchmarks of 2 vs 4 and usually there is either no difference or only like 1-2 fps difference. Just generally curious as I'm looking to upgrade to a higher speed.

[cerulean wadi]

4sticks is a bit more (ram) performance w/ certain setups, & depends on the ram itself. Partly why people dislike 4dimms is tougher to OC. Looks better w/ all slots full though.

[cursive epoch]

4 sticks doesn't add much performance at all

cause it doesn't automatically equal to quad channel

the motherboard and cpu has to have support

[vast meadow]

4 sticks does garuntee dual rank tho

[cerulean wadi]

Yep, That's mainly what I was referring to

[vast meadow]

Higher speed is easier on 2 sticks

[hybrid grove]

Appreciate the feedback. I'll have to watch those videos lol. To see what would best suit me.

[vast meadow]

Unless you're going 64/128gb 2 sticks is the best bet

[hybrid grove]

Going from 4x8 3200mhz cl 16-20-20-38 to 32gb 3600mhz cl14-15-15-35

I know its not necessary but I'm building a family member a pc and I'm just gonna give them mine and get something better.

[vast meadow]

I wouldn't advise buying that as an xmp kit that would be like 250$ just grab the 130$ kit of 4000mhz c18 from g skill or grab some b die(3200c14 usually cheapest)/ballistix (3000cl15 or higher) and that's cheaper and oc up yourself tbh

[mild jackal]

I would look at current prices and go from there, the 3200c14 oloy kit has often been close to 200 before, but maybe there are other options

This is cheap if you want 64GB https://www.ebay.com/itm/374067365689

[grim hornet]

Am going for the 3070, but not sure if I should save the money and go for the i5 12400f or go for the i5 12600kf. I don't overclock, and I won't do some crazy high performance cpu stuff...

[burnt spear]

12400 is more than enough for a 3070

You could pair it with a 3090 at 1440p and still be fine

[grim hornet]

aight

[vast meadow]

12600kf gives you extra cores which you technically won't notice in gaming but in the real world when your discord, chrome etc can be passed onto those cores it's worth it if you can justify the price imo

[cerulean wadi]

Was definitely more worth it when 12600K was $230.

[grizzled bloom]

Latest leaks put 13900K at 8P + 16E (32T) with 36MB L3

[dull flint]

L2 also doubled apparently

[cerulean wadi]

The extra L2/L3 sure will help game performance. 10 Pcores would be neat, but I guess they're not really needed. The lowest model that's 2P + 4E ir similar will be interesting, especially if 1 can be ocd. 12100 at 5ghz is a beast.

[dull flint]

What's weird to me is we have 700 series boards potentially having D4, yet the 13900K is supposedly D5

[burnt spear]

700 series boards supposed to be d5 only

but 13th gen cpus will work on 600 series mobos with ddr4

from what weve heard

[dull flint]

Asrock filed for D4 boards tho iirc

Hence, supposedly

[grizzled bloom]

Leaks are not agreeing with each other

[dull flint]

Yeah here:
https://videocardz.com/newz/asrocks-next-gen-z790-h770-motherboard-lineup-includes-ddr4-variants

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe the 700 boards will only support D4 with 12th gen?

[dull flint]

Yeah I'm wondering if it's certain SKU's for DDR4 for 13th gen

[dull flint]

To me that makes no sense, why tool up for a new board lol

600 is functional, if they want to legacy D4 then a new lineup doesn't seem economical

Say that 13900K, 13700K were D5 only, but 13600K was D4 and D5?

[grizzled bloom]

Well when leaks disagree all we can do is disregard both for now

[grizzled bloom]

It's the SoC itself that doesn't support D4 supposedly

[dull flint]

Then yeah none of it will make sense yet lol

[hard leaf]

as far as i know 700 series will have ddr4 variants as well

confirmed

will be on z790? thats another question

[cerulean wadi]

Probably. (Good) ddr 4 (for gaming) is far from a bottleneck. They'll be smart to think how we could buy just cpu+mobo then transfer over old ram if needed/wanted.

[hard leaf]

that's a redeemable feature on intel, am5 only on ddr5 give me the creeps

wallets be ready

[cerulean wadi]

Indeed. Ddr5 (prices) sure would give me pause, & not like AM5 mobos/cpus are gonna instantly be too well priced.

[grizzled bloom]

DDR5 is getting better priced at least. There's 5200 c38 2x16gb kits for under $200, and lots of them bundled with Z690 boards.

[hard leaf]

hopefully it will be more cheaper when am5 hits

[grizzled bloom]

That was the idea behind pushing back the launch at least

[hard leaf]

7000 series are looking very attractive but the ddr5 requirement is kind a letdown

and hopefully those mobos will handle 6000mt without issues

as far as i read, 6000+ mt are unstable on z690 mobos

[grizzled bloom]

The AIBs have to have learned about the topology issues and fixed it by now

[grizzled bloom]

Only with 4 sticks, you can still do 6200-6400 with 2 sticks

Many boards if you want to use 4 sticks you're stuck at 4400

[hard leaf]

some according to reviewers are very unstable over 6000 with 2 stick, once they tune down to 5400 they are able to post no problem

normally i take those with a grain of salt, but maybe those issues are probably because its the first gen of ddr5 and mobos

[grizzled bloom]

Most people don't know how to properly overclock DDR5 yet too

[hard leaf]

yeah thats a valid point as well

[dull flint]

People are starting to stabilise 4 sticks above 6000 these days

Definitely a lot harder though

[grizzled bloom]

On what boards though

Because on daisy chain boards that's near impossible, even der8auer and buildzoid can't do that

[dull flint]

Buildzoid has actually in fact done it 3 days ago

https://youtu.be/mQVHlIS1lz0

Maximus formula

And this is a particular board, it's not the first time I saw someone seem to do well with a formula z690

[grizzled bloom]

That's a T-topology board, not a daisy chain

[dull flint]

Ok but it's still becoming possible to do

[grizzled bloom]

Right but it's still not possible on the majority of boards, especially ones under $300

[dull flint]

Sure, I can agree with that. The formula seems to be a bit special at managing this from what I've seen

[grizzled bloom]

That one in particular is $800

[cerulean wadi]

Perhaps show us a mobo that's not T-top w/ 4 dimms

[dull flint]

I wasn't replying to Fal'cie in the first place tho

It was more to Ravell

Sorry if I'm offending, I don't mean it

[cerulean wadi]

Oh I know, mainly about the speed perhaps. Stupidly expensive mobo though, lol. Funny, to me 6000 isn't even impressive. Although, I like when each gen completely doubles, ddr400 ddr2 800 , 1600, 3200, and so on (ignore MT /=/ MHz). (and when it eventually has the same or better 1st word latency. Nice round 6000c30 or 6400c32 looks pretty good.

[dull flint]

Oh yeah. In every way it's a nonsense idea to the normal person, even an enthusiast really

Use a MSI pro D4 and push that hard with good 4x16 ic's makes wayyyy more sense in the sense of pushing 64gb

Like a 4x16 M16FE1 kit for example

[cerulean wadi]

uhh, 4 dual rank dimms. --- A 2x32 DR kit would be nice though indeed.

[dull flint]

I know I know

I'm not good english spoke today, my bad

2x32 is more capable for sure, but more expensive for D4

2x32 on D5 on that note is not too far behind 2x16

[hard leaf]

oh about the unstability on 6000? yeah probably i was a lil outdated on the videos, glad to see they already broke that, sad to see it on a 800 mobo tho D:

my mobo target range is between 250-350 tops for raptor/am5... stability on a super high end mobo wont help on my budget

most videos i saw were on carbon/master/pro boards

[ruby basin]

I have a pro b660m-a msi, i plugged my SHP9500 to the mobo and it just doesnt sound loud, id literally 100% sound so i can hear normally
unlike my z170 pro, 100% would prolly kill me

is it that the mobo's sound card bad or is there a setting im missing?

[vast meadow]

Possibly there was a better amp in your ild motherboard but sounds like your missing audio drivers or something, did you reinstall windows when upgrading?

[ruby basin]

i migrated my os using some software

[ruby basin]

i installed every driver for my new mobo from their site as well🗿

[vast meadow]

Yeah don't do that if you're changing motherboards it's a nightmare, you'll want to do a fresh install of Windows

[ruby basin]

oh damn, is the one that doesnt remove my files enough?

[vast meadow]

Eh I'd say no, something to do with motherboard drivers conflicting it's a real pain but worth it you can end up with really weird issues that don't make sense if you don't

[cursive epoch]

^

[ruby basin]

I see, thanks 🙏

[tired verge]

Does anyone know if you can use Kingston KTH PL424S/16G memory in a gaming PC? and if it would be any good? 2 sticks btw so 32G in total

[burnt spear]

you can use it, sure. Whats more important is the price, speed and timings

[tired verge]

price does not matter, got it from a friend who didnt use it. and it says 16GB 1Rx4 PC4-2400T-RC1-11 any idea?

[burnt spear]

not a clue actually

sounds like server ram?

[tired verge]

yeah idk man xD he was just dumping some stuff to me because I wanna build a pc

[burnt spear]

im not sure how server ram would play with a gaming pc

[tired verge]

alr man do you know about hyperx fury hx424c15fbk2/16 by any chance?

[burnt spear]

i really dont, im sorry

that might be a 2333c15 kit?

[burnt spear]

i was close atleast

its a bit slow, but if youre on a tight budget its fine

[hard leaf]

or if its free from your friend, is a welcome addition

[tired verge]

Alr man thanks I might put it in my system. Thanks all

[eternal helm]

That's not the stuff at all

Oh wait nvrmind I was looking at the above stuff

Yeah above stuff is server ecc so yeah

[burnt spear]

oh hey i was right

pog

[eternal helm]

Lower stuff would work just kinda slow in today's standards

[amber canopy]

Hoping someone can help with this:
I just received a motherboard that I know worked (I trust the previous owner), but now testing it in person is resulting in 00 with all my CPUs. I've swapped out each main component (PSU, ram, etc.) that could be bad, tried different bios's, checked CPU pins, still getting the same result. I can't see any visibly bad SMDs on the board and Ive ruled out mounting pressure as an issue as well. The CPU stays cold when the board is powered on, and I cant measure any voltage going to the CPU at all, but there is some going through some of the pins? It's like the EPS cables are not even connected. Any ideas?

[scenic solar]

00 → communication problem, probably because the CPU is not being powered

[amber canopy]

did you read the whole thing lol

[scenic solar]

Idk what the problem could be

Thinking in progress ....

[grizzled bloom]

Was it shipped to you or given in person?

[amber canopy]

shipped. it could be shipping damage but thats not really helpful. if i know what the damage is i could likely fix it

it was packaged pretty well and the box wasnt beat up at all

[scenic solar]

Chech the EPS pins physically

[amber canopy]

Yea I checked those too

its getting 12V and it's not shorted (duh)

[grizzled bloom]

If it's in the computer case take it out and try to run it. It can sit on the cardboard box it came in safely.

[scenic solar]

Reset CMOS? Don't know if that helps

Nah

Probably not

[amber canopy]

its in a bench setup

[grizzled bloom]

It could, with changing the memory and CPU from what was configured previously

[scenic solar]

Maybe it had some sort of overclock

[amber canopy]

that was like the first thing i tried, it didnt do anything lol

[scenic solar]

The 00 issue could be releated

Oh

[amber canopy]

this is an msi godlike board

what a waste for it to decide to die

[vast meadow]

Oof why did you bother with a godlike

[amber canopy]

what an interesting thing to say to someone dealing with a dead motherboard

[cursive epoch]

at least you can do an rma

or just return altogether

[naive pendant]

"How do you know the Motherboard is dead"?

[amber canopy]

out of warranty. the board is from 2016

[amber canopy]

well im sure hoping it isnt. doesnt change the reason i said that

[cursive epoch]

oh lol

[obtuse mountain]

@grizzled bloom @burnt spear i found that my 64gb kit of ram is conflicting with my chipset. i need to bump up to b550 for it to work. i dont think its the imc of my r5 3600x

[naive pendant]

@obtuse mountain love the name

@obtuse mountain quick reading - sounds like you had the same problem i had.

[obtuse mountain]

good question, x570 vs b550 whats better?

[cerulean wadi]

Generally x570, but depends on model. There's various B550 mobos I'd definitely pick over certain x570 stuff.

[obtuse mountain]

ive got a ryzen 5 5300xt and RX 6500xt. ive got my 16gb 3200 cl16 kit in currently. nvme ssd gen 4 capable but locked on gen 3. x570 will bump the gen 4 for sure but is it gonna be more beneficial with the smart access memory features?

i know it will let me run my 64gb 3200 cl16 kit im just trying to justify the $100-150 difference

[mild jackal]

Only the chipset slot is 3.0 on b450 and similar

[cerulean wadi]

Why did you get 64GB of ram for that cpu/gpu setup?

[obtuse mountain]

bf2042 sucks all 16 down and crashes. ksp heavy modded launch times and multitasking like streaming

[cerulean wadi]

feel like running cpu-z? 5300XT is a gpu also, lol. (I'm guessing Ryzen 3600). btw, 4x16 or 2x32? I was gonna say try at least 32GB w/ your current setup just to see how it does. 64GB and/or a new mobo definitely just feels like a lot to add for possibly little actual gain.

[obtuse mountain]

sorry i meant 5300x, and 6500xt. 4x16gb and i went down to 1x16 and still had issues.

[burnt spear]

5300x doesnt exist, does it?

do you mean 5300g?

[obtuse mountain]

jesus christ i cant type, 3600x. i need more sleep

[burnt spear]

ah lol

what speed is it?

oh 3200c16

could be a bad kit

[devout moth]

puddlejumper6999#9339 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[burnt spear]

also 64gb is kinda pointless with that build

[obtuse mountain]

-_- nah checked qvl after it updated and b450 was removed. b550 and up

[burnt spear]

?

[obtuse mountain]

i have a few uses for that much ram

[burnt spear]

like what?

[obtuse mountain]

Daz 3D, Blender, Unity, BF 2042, multimon setup at 4k, animated everything with sounds, 15+ add-on devices

i use ram religiously

[burnt spear]

multimon?

[hard leaf]

running all of that at the same time?

[obtuse mountain]

2 monitors

[burnt spear]

oh

[obtuse mountain]

and not everything at once but most of it

[burnt spear]

youd be fine with 32gb it sounds like

anyways, about the issue

it sounds like either mobo or cpu

are you running the ram at xmp or jedec?

[obtuse mountain]

thats what i was saying before you mentioned it might be the imc so i was looking at CPUs but i re-checked the QVL on the kit and the b450s were removed. so im thinking its chipset not imc. ive tried xmp and jedec. i can run the old kit 2x8gb at xmp 3200

[burnt spear]

most likely the ram then, if the old kit was fine

[obtuse mountain]

i couldnt run the 64 at 1866 or 2133

i would test in the other PC cus its a different brand b450 but its not functional rn

[cerulean wadi]

Did you try 1 stick alone?

[obtuse mountain]

yup

[devout moth]

Lawrence#3714 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Lawrence#3714 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[hoary echo]

would having more page files lower my background ram usage at all?