cpus-mobo-and-memory

[naive pendant]

ok hang on

where do i check for that

[naive pendant]

it shuts off within a minute of being on do you think i can flash it quick while its on?

[grizzled bloom]

No it takes at least 5 minutes

[naive pendant]

damn

what do u think i should do then

[grizzled bloom]

What temperature does the bios show before it shuts down

[naive pendant]

hang on wait i have mixed thermal paste you think thats the problem

[grizzled bloom]

Probably not

[naive pendant]

ok ill check the temps then

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe the mount is bad and it's not making good contact, that's what I'm thinking

[naive pendant]

should i screw it in a little more

i only did like two twists then moved to the other screw

[grizzled bloom]

It should be as tight as you can do it without tools, just your fingers, unless it tells you to use tools

[limber dragon]

turning off after a few mins sounds like tjmax shutdown

make sure cooler has power

[naive pendant]

the fan spins when its on if thats what u mean

im pretty positive everything is on correctly

[naive pendant]

my bios version is f61

[frosty depot]

On the topic of bios.. I haven't updated my z690 tomahawk since I got it a month ago.. should I even worry about updating?

[naive pendant]

did you get it online?

[vast meadow]

Nah not unless there has been ram oc support/ security

[frosty depot]

This is what the latest non beta bios says

• Support Post Screen Delay item function. - Improved GO2BIOS function - Improved MFlash function - Update CPU Microcode

I don't even know what the cpu microcode thing is.. would it make my 12600k run more efficient?

[vast meadow]

Nah but look at the other updates for something that might make a difference

[dull flint]

Updated cpu microcode is probably the new bios that *blocks off avx-512 support

[ancient pulsar]

Just a question!
Which is best cpu for gaming and software development - AMD Ryzen 5 5600H or Intel core i5 11300H?

[grizzled bloom]

5600H is a little faster but on laptops you need to factor in power limits and other things too

[ancient pulsar]

OK, thanks for clearing up my doubts. 👍

[cursive epoch]

11300H has less cores tho

4c/8t

5600H has 6c/12t

[brazen quartz]

Is $399 for the Ryzen 9 5900X fine?

It's just the base Amazon price

[grizzled bloom]

Are you upgrading or building new?

Because if you're building a new computer the 12700k beats that and makes a lot more sense currently

But if you're upgrading an older Ryzen platform, the 5900X is good

[brazen quartz]

I'm always gonna be on the amd train

Upgrading from a 5 3600

[grizzled bloom]

Then yeah, prices are dropping and it's a decent time to buy for upgrades

You probably don't need more than the 5800X though for gaming, if that's all you're doing

In which case waiting for the 5800X3D makes sense

[brazen quartz]

Just some coding, 3d modeling and gaming

[grizzled bloom]

Ah so you're actually using the extra threads. Good. Go for it I say.

[brazen quartz]

I make sure I max out on chrome tabs alone

[plain vortex]

Hello, I currently have a 5600x paired with a 3070, Strix B550-F Wi-Fi6 and a Corsair RM750x.

I was thinking of upgrading to either a Ryzen 9 5900x or a 5950x since they're currently pretty cheap

[grizzled bloom]

No point unless you need the extra threads

[plain vortex]

And from 16gb ram 3600mhz c18 to 32gb 3600 c16

It's that I've been getting 100% cpu on gaming sometimes

And out of games

It's basically random

[grizzled bloom]

The ram is a bigger upgrade

[plain vortex]

But it mainly happens when I'm playing a game Fullscreen and alt-tab to something else

[grizzled bloom]

Then wait for the 5800X3D, it's going to be much better at gaming by all accounts

[plain vortex]

Oh right completely forgot about that

Should work fine with my b550 board with a bios update right?

[plain vortex]

I currently have this kit with the Corsair light enhancement dummy kit CMW16GX4M2Z3600C18 https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236552?Item=N82E16820236552&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-236-552-_-04112022

I'm thinking about getting this ones because of that. CMW32GX4M2Z3600C18 https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236606?Item=9SIBAWPHEX6690&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIBAWPHEX6690-_-04112022

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it'll work perfectly on B550
I suggest this one, to match your lighting kit https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cfVmP6/corsair-vengeance-rgb-rt-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-cmn32gx4m2z3600c16

You could also overclock that to c14 pretty easily

[plain vortex]

Oh that's the new style I think though

The kit I have is this style https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16820236512?Item=N82E16820236512&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-236-512-_-04112022

[vast meadow]

They shouldn't

3600 16 20 20 38 is blehhhhhh

[plain vortex]

I would just leave it as is

Not experienced with overclocking of any time

[grizzled bloom]

Latency matters more than size. Just increasing capacity to 32gb and keeping the same timings will be nearly the same speed.

[vast meadow]

*except dual rank will be an improvement too

[plain vortex]

I see, I currently have 3600mhz cl 18

[grizzled bloom]

Hence "nearly"

[plain vortex]

X2 8gb

[grizzled bloom]

You'll want 3600 c16 for higher end gaming

[plain vortex]

I just want to get rid of that annoying random 100% cpu usage

[vast meadow]

Yeah but there's a very little chance they're doing 3600c14 anyway :/

[grizzled bloom]

True

Unless lucky die

[vast meadow]

I would highly doubt

Corsair gives the bare minimum for the spec most of the time

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I'd avoid them if possible

Performance over looks imo

[plain vortex]

I'll probably do so on my next build, icue is pretty annoying

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah and icue is probably contributing to your cpu usage as well

[plain vortex]

Yeah, it contributes like 5-7% always

I think I should just not upgrade anything rn and just wait for a bit then and make a new build

[vast meadow]

I'd try moving to open rgb instead of icue

[plain vortex]

Bc if I upgrade cpu I'll probably have to upgrade cooling as well

[vast meadow]

What cpu you got?

[plain vortex]

Since I don't think my H100i Elite Capellix could handle the 5800x3d since it's only 240mm

I have a 5600x

[plain vortex]

Does open rgb work fully with Asus and Corsair RGB?

[vast meadow]

Mmm it wouldn't be the best with a h100i but it should work alright just not boost as high

[vast meadow]

Yeah it should

[plain vortex]

Yeah, sadly I can't properly fit a 360mm rad on my case

In my 465x bc of the hdd cage

[frosty depot]

Get a new case :P

[dull flint]

You can. I've done it in that case

It just doesn't make a lot of sense cos airflow lol

[scenic solar]

Just to know... What is burst length in RAM?

[vernal cosmos]

The number of bursts used in transmitting data

and they happen at effective data rate of the ram u use

for ddr4 i think burst length is 16

allows a single burst to access 64 Bytes of data

[turbid radish]

Question: So one time when switching my components to another case I accidentally killed my MOBO by plugging in one of the ARGB Fan cables into the wrong connector and it fried my MOBO. Later, the debug light turned on both the MOBO LED and the CPU LED. Is it possible that the LED reading was false because of the MOBO being dead?

[pastel monolith]

it is possible it seems unlikely that you could damage the cpu by overloading the 5v on the mobo

[turbid radish]

Alright, thanks

[cerulean wadi]

The 3200c14 g.skill got bid up to $126. 6yr old ram so that's ok. Today found a NEW 32GB kit of ballistix 3600c16 on Ebay for $140 so I hit the trigger on that. There was 3 more kits actually. Idk if 3 is ok for a post in tech deals

[scenic solar]

What's MSI memory try it!

?

My ram is 3200 cl22

Should I change it to one of the settings?

If I set it directly from dram frequency, by choosing 3200mhz, it sets my ram to 2400mhz

[scenic solar]

But on the bios it says it's set to cl17 🤨

What the heck?

[stone magnet]

whats a good buget mobo? along with a 12400f

[burnt spear]

B660 prime, msi b660-a

[grizzled bloom]

It's an automatic overclock option. There's a chance it won't work and a chance it just won't post. You'll also need to do stability testing if it works.
You can probably safely do the 3200 16-18-18-18-36 option. Make sure it sets the dram voltage to 1.35v

[cerulean wadi]

Even the 3200cL18 setup would be much better than cL 22. I do wonder if the Try It thing adjusts voltage at all also.

[grizzled bloom]

If the bios is reporting c17 it's probably loading some xmp profile or something

[grizzled bloom]

And some of the presets don't give enough voltage, especially at higher overclocks. The 3600 straight 14 profile for example only does 1.4v when you probably need at least 1.45-1.5v

[cerulean wadi]

Indeed. Ah, it's weird there's a bunch of ballistix & other ram that's new but made almost a year ago. I don't get it. Bad pic of what I just bought. Hopefully assembled in mexico won't really effect it VS the older assembled in Malaysia stuff.

[pastel monolith]

yes it is

[grizzled bloom]

That's ok my less elderly eyes can barely read it too

[pastel monolith]

its ok I had to open the original and I have a 55" screen

[hoary echo]

i love memory

using about as much as battlefield v does

oh wait it's even more now

[grizzled bloom]

lol

[hoary echo]

yikes

i have 28 open tabs 💀

oh well groups make them almost organised

[cerulean wadi]

Ya'all need Jesus, lol. Max I have is about 10-12 tabs, since I prefer to see em all at once or at least not scroll side to side much. 😅

[dull flint]

my one chrome tab

[grizzled bloom]

At any given time I'll have 10-20 tabs with builds for ESO open, plus whatever else I'm doing like hwbot rules, videos, etc

[pastel monolith]

says (10)

[dull flint]

idk what other 9 things it's doing

[dim cloak]

Wait you guys use chrome?

[dim cloak]

fellow Microsoft edge user

[naive pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gif-23143840

[cerulean wadi]

@desert dagger @sonic marsh oh mb. This is what I bought: IDK why it says 2118 (18th week of '21) or w/e, but no issue. Only $12 more than the 6yr old 3200c14 I missed.

[scenic solar]

I tried setting it to 3200 cl14

Guess what

Pc did not start, rebooted 2 times and bios settings automatically set to default

[grizzled bloom]

No surprised there, for it to do 14-14-14 like that it needs to be b-die. No other die gets that tight.

[drowsy nymph]

You can overclock just go a lil looser on the timings

Try 3600 C15

[grizzled bloom]

AMD

[drowsy nymph]

Oh Hell

That explains everything

[naive pendant]

yea i cant overclock the ram in my system at all, though there are other factors causing that than me just having an amd chip lol

[mild jackal]

That kit can do 38c14...

Rev.e/b just have to run a higher rcdrd , around 19

You have to set vtt far lower than default with rev.e, something like 1.55 vdimm .65 vtt

[grizzled bloom]

The kit above isn't the one in question for that message

It's a jedec kit in the referenced convo

[mild jackal]

Oh

[grizzled bloom]

Which is why I suggested the "Memory Try It!" 3200 16-18-18-18 mode

[vernal cosmos]

lofabio has some 3200c22 kit iirc

jdec

[mild jackal]

What IC

[grizzled bloom]

No idea lol

But def not b-die

[vernal cosmos]

corsair i think so nothing good

[mild jackal]

Corsair often uses good ICs, but low end PCBs

[vernal cosmos]

Oh?

I thought they used just good enough for the xmp profile bins

[mild jackal]

Rather, corsair b-die is often on a low-end pcb and it limits performance

[vernal cosmos]

thats disappointing

is that b die only or all ics tho

[mild jackal]

No idea

[mystic inlet]

Anyone Know if GSkills has a discord channel? Anyone ran into a issue with Logitech G-Hub knoking out your memories RGB? Any have GSkills trident Z Royals collectors edition or normal and found the default individual sticks rainbow pattern running for four sticks but set up to run differently per stick like it does in the CE box? Thought this would be the default pattern in the software but it runs them in the same pattern for all four sticks at once not individual.

[mild jackal]

Use LGS instead of GHub

[mystic inlet]

thank you

[frigid willow]

any suggestions on possible ram upgrade? currently have 4x8gb 3200cl14 g. skill trident z from an intel system along with a 5900x and x570s aorus master

[burnt spear]

Why upgrade

[vast meadow]

Just oc the ram a little

[frigid willow]

yeah my only problem is temps run a bit high on them when gaming so wasn't sure if a 2x16gb kit of 3800 would be better

[long geyser]

Do you have active cooling (120mm fan mounted infront of RAM or liquid cooling, etc)? Assuming bdie, any decent bdie OC kinda needs active cooling.

[frigid willow]

nothing actively blowing on them(as in top of ram down). Have good airflow with 2 phanteks f140mp as front intakes

[long geyser]

Most likely those front intakes arent helping the RAM much, pretty rare for that to happen.

Top down is a pretty big help in comparison

[frigid willow]

correct, just pulling good cool air into the case at least

any suggestion on a decent way of mounting a fan for top down?

i know corsair has their ram coolers and such

[long geyser]

This is what I did for a bit. Was my lazy attempt till I changed it a bit. Basically removed the plastic tops of the tridents and used them as mounting points. Might be able to to smth similar without the metal frame and just zip ties. I'm now using an Alseye cooler which is basically Corsair RAM fan but better and cheaper.

[frigid willow]

interesting. so you removed the plastic diffusers you mean and left the metal frame on the ram?

[long geyser]

I just used the metal frame+zip ties for a more sound mounting thing cuz I was moving around a lot at that time.

Aye

Mine werent RGB so I didnt need to worry about LEDs and such

[frigid willow]

have seen someone used the PCIE covers from the rear to hang a fan down also

mine are the rgb but my AIO is also top mounted which was front mounted

swapping it to top mounted did lower my ram temps by about 5 degrees when gaming or anything heavier

[long geyser]

Yeah there are a couple ways to do it, gotta be creative if you dont want to spend money on a mount.
As for upgrading RAM to dual rank DIMMs, it wont help much if at all. You basically make the trade of having better airflow around RAM for higher heat density and lower heatsink surface area. I havent tested it but I doubt it'll help much given that.

[frigid willow]

have seen people use the fan mounts for test benches before also

unsure of what i'd be connecting that to though

[hybrid leaf]

waht mitx mobo would yo usay is a good fit for a 12600k

[grizzled bloom]

Do you mean ITX or mATX?

[haughty cedar]

Hi guys I currently have a Ryzen 7 3800x and B450 aorus elite motherboard and I wanted to know if upgrading to the ryzen 5800x and ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING motherboard is worth the money

[hollow thorn]

Worth your money, not rn

[hollow thorn]

If you're going for gaming perf, I'd wait for 5800x3d to do something

[haughty cedar]

is that am4?

and would it match well with a 3070

[hollow thorn]

Yes on am4, but dunno performance yet, leaks say very well, but we'll have to see

Other wise alder lake is better

X570 is also just not a great value proposition

[haughty cedar]

what do you recommend for motherboard?

[hollow thorn]

Might have to see if 5800x3d is crazy with power or anything like that, but probably just something simple like b550-a

[haughty cedar]

ahh okay thanks

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen it's slightly more efficient than 5800X

[hybrid leaf]

itx sorry

[grizzled bloom]

Are you planning to overclock?

[grizzled bloom]

For no overclocking (NOTE: DDR5) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B7gFf7/asus-rog-strix-b660-i-gaming-wifi-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-rog-strix-b660-i-gaming-wifi

For overclocking (DDR4) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fdt9TW/gigabyte-z690i-aorus-ultra-ddr4-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-z690i-aorus-ultra-ddr4

Overclocking (DDR5) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q7nypg/gigabyte-z690i-aorus-ultra-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-z690i-aorus-ultra

And lastly no overclocking (DDR4) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tft9TW/gigabyte-b660i-aorus-pro-ddr4-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-b660i-aorus-pro-ddr4

[vernal cosmos]

B550 aorus elite good price

If u gonna go am4

[haughty cedar]

Well I was thinking when AM5 comes out it’s going to be very expensive especially with the ddr5 ram and stuff. So I was thinking of waiting until am5 comes out and then the prices of am4 will drop and get a maxed out setup for am4

[vernal cosmos]

Id still go with intel alder lake if u gonna buy a motherboard as well anyway

[haughty cedar]

what board and cpu you recommend

for intel

i want a pretty decent performace boost from my 3800x CPU

and a good pair for my 3070

I am not familiar at all with intel, is intel more future proof? like have they already come out with the latest architecture

[hollow thorn]

Right now, we've been on AM4 for 4 years, and AM5 is going to be the next platform, for Intel, LGA1700 just came out for this generation, and should at least last 1 more generation, therefore it's a little more future focused, since there will at least be one more generation on Intel's platform.
It's like
The Past - Now - Next
Intel: Lga1151-Lga1200-Lga1200-Lga1700-(Lga1700)
AMD: Am4 - Am4 - Am4 - Am4 - (Am5)

That's why you might hear people say Am4 is a dead end platform right now

Not that these things matters too much

[haughty cedar]

ahh okay

[hollow thorn]

What makes Intel actually a better choice is just straight up performing better than Zen 3, haven't chcked 5800x3d reviews yet, but that's how things are comparing 12th gen to most zen 3 chips

[haughty cedar]

i was just gonna get the 5800x and put it into my current b450 aorus elite as thats the max my board can take, but people said to wait for 5800x3d but i dont think my board will take that so I will also need a board upgrade

but am5 will be a good wait but by looking at current prcies for ddr5 and stuff the upgrade will be to expensive

[hollow thorn]

DDR5 will take time to become actually good and cheap. 5800x might already be a bit iffy, but well, could try it.

[vast meadow]

I'd wait for 13th gen/am5 personally

[haughty cedar]

get it on release or give it some time to drop in price

[vast meadow]

If you keen to upgrade close to release

[haughty cedar]

well I currently have the 3800x and 3070 so i dont need the upgrade so I might give it a year or 2 for prices to fall

[scenic solar]

I'm going crazy over these RAM terms:
What's...
-Bus width (got it)
-Burst length
-Burst buffer (got it)
I want a simple explanation if possible... Thank you!

[vernal cosmos]

i explained burst length already

[vast meadow]

This should answer most of your questions about ram
https://youtu.be/aJEq7H4Wf6U

[vernal cosmos]

oh true

[scenic solar]

That's exactly the video I was looking at for the ram terms but I still don't get it

[vernal cosmos]

dont have to type

tbh u dont need to understanf what they mean really

they do be complicated

[vast meadow]

They explain all the terms pretty well in that video

[scenic solar]

I'll keep searching online to see if I get a good explanation of the terms

[vast meadow]

For burst buffer watch the vid from 4 mins to about 5 min 30 sec again

[scenic solar]

Ok

[vast meadow]

Actually keep watching and they explain burst length as well

[scenic solar]

Yes, I know, I watched the video like 5 times in a row...
Maybe I got the burst buffer:
(Correct me if I'm wrong)
When all the bank groups "output" the data requested by the CPU, they fill the burst buffer
(So the burst buffer "dimension" is measured in bits)... Right?

After the buffer is filled (even not filled completely), the data is sent through the BUS to the CPU...¿ 🤨

[vast meadow]

Almost, it has to be wait to be filled

[hollow knot]

I have a z87a asus motherboard what is the best gpu it could handle?

I have a i5-4670k gpu

And 16 gig ram

In 2 x8gb stack

[vast meadow]

What do you mean "could handle"

Because it "could handle" a 3090 ti but that would be stupid

[scenic solar]

Hhuh? You mean that thing when it has to be filled with "trash" so it can be sent to the CPU?

[hollow knot]

I meant what could handle im not knowledgeable enough about motherboards im getting a 1650 super from a friend can my motherboard handle it?

[burnt spear]

Motherboard doesn't have much to do with gpu compatibility

[scenic solar]

This other thing I said is right?

[vast meadow]

Yeah

[scenic solar]

😃

[vast meadow]

Your power supply does though, pcie generation can a bit too

[burnt spear]

1650s is fine to pair with your cpu, what pato was getting at is your cpu is outdated and will not be able to keep up with a lot of even semi recent gpus

Your next upgrade after the gpu should be cpu, motherboard, and ram though

[hollow knot]

Thanks. Can 20 series be put on my motherboard ?

2060 not 70 or 80

[burnt spear]

You could put literally any gpu on your motherboard

From a gts 260 to a 6900xt

The thing is

A 2060 would be limited by your cpu, a lot

So if you don't plan to upgrade cpu anytime soon, I'd stay with a 1650s

[hollow knot]

Probably not ram since most games i own dont need more than 16 gb

[vast meadow]

Well if you upgraded cpu you'd have to upgrade ram... Maybe not capacity but you'd have to move to ddr4

[scenic solar]

Ok, so here's what I got:
The buffer is the part that "accumulates" all the bits from the RAM bank groups, when it's full it will send the data accumulated through the BUS that connects RAM with CPU (so it will send the data to the CPU obviously)
I'm still trying to understand the burst length

[vast meadow]

Yep

[scenic solar]

😃

But what exactly is a "burst"
Can you give me a good definition
(Considering that English is not my first language and the translation for "burst" in Italian doesn't make much sense)

[vast meadow]

It's like the group of data that is sent

[scenic solar]

Like a "block" of bits?

[vast meadow]

Yeah

[scenic solar]

Oh
Ok

The translation to Italian was something like "explosion" 🤨 👍

Nice

[vast meadow]

Lol

[scenic solar]

Thank you

[vast meadow]

A burst is usually something quick/ small group

Np

[scenic solar]

Perfect 😃

And what about "buffer", translation still doesn't sound right

[main pulsar]

a buffer is like a bunch of blocks that are queued to be sent, but cant be sent yet

they reside in a buffer until they are able to be sent

[main pulsar]

oh, in this context, its more like loading up a bunch of blocks into a block holder that has a set size. when the holder is full, all the blocks contained within are sent

[scenic solar]

Ok, very well explained
But is the buffer size the same as the BUS? or is it not?
on DDR4 the buffer is 64bit like the BUS that connects CPU and RAM
And on DDR5 there are 2buffers 32bit each
?

[burnt spear]

i read that as butter size

[scenic solar]

Massive

😳

[vernal cosmos]

Bus size is how many blocks can be accessed at a specific instant

[agile jolt]

Would the ryzen 5 5600 work just fine in the pavilion?

[grizzled bloom]

HP loves to lock their bios to specific parts, check the compatibility list

[agile jolt]

Alright

[agile jolt]

Not too informative

Does it just mean

Any ryzen that starts with the title "ryzen 5"?

Or what

[grizzled bloom]

What's the model number?

[agile jolt]

Of mobo?

Or PC

[grizzled bloom]

The PC

Assuming you still have the stock mobo

[agile jolt]

TG01-0023w

One has an IGPU

[vast meadow]

5600g is more like 3600 + igpu tho

Pretty gimped 5600

[grizzled bloom]

Sorry about the delay, that does not support 5000 series. Your max cpu is 3700X.

[vast meadow]

technically a 3950x but that would be not good

[grizzled bloom]

Nope the bios is locked to 65W processors

[vast meadow]

Oh lmao

Sure it wouldn't just run them at 65w instead how does that work lol?

[grizzled bloom]

It won't post

It's missing most of the processors in the agesa code

[vast meadow]

Oof

[cyan raft]

Woah red Pato

[vast meadow]

:o

[agile jolt]

Damn

Why is the 3700x so much more expensive

[grizzled bloom]

Reasons that don't make sense

[hollow thorn]

Usually old stock pretty much sold through, they don't have a reason to put them on sale, they're more rare

[cerulean wadi]

Try searching various websites or even Ebay. A lot of older gen stuff is just outright overpriced often.

[agile jolt]

Good price?

Wait octa core

Never seen one before

Huh

Would my stock fan work fine on it?

[mild jackal]

No, get a 5600

[agile jolt]

They said it wouldn't work

[mild jackal]

Oh, yeah, idk, wouldn't bother upgrading tbh

[agile jolt]

Unless I read wrong

The 3500 is fine?

I just don't want a bottle neck for the 6600

Unless they're both fine

The 3700x looks super good but if I don't need it I won't get it

Would it be better to just get better cooling for my cpu? It maxes out at about 70°c

Or is that a fine temp

[burnt spear]

3500 is fine

[agile jolt]

Aight

[burnt spear]

For a 6600 anyways

And 70 is fine as well

[agile jolt]

8 cores seems kinda overkill for me

I don't do much productive stuff

[burnt spear]

Core count is irrelevant for overall perf

3700x has same mc as 5600

Which has 6 cores

[agile jolt]

I would've thought I could do the 5600

Guess not

[burnt spear]

Well, not irrelevant

But you get what I mean

I'd still not recc upgrading from a 1660s to a 6600

Its a very minimal change

[agile jolt]

Looks pretty good imo

Plus I can sell the 1660s afterwards for about half the cost

Extra vram is nice

Temptin

A whole $4 to ship

[burnt spear]

Half?

How much did the 6600 cost

[agile jolt]

$374

[burnt spear]

You can get 300 for the 1660s

[agile jolt]

Plus my tax return came rollin in

[agile jolt]

You think so?

[burnt spear]

Definitely

[agile jolt]

I do have the original box

I assume most people care about it

[burnt spear]

Also

[agile jolt]

Its why I got the 6600, as I can get back a decent bit of the cost

[burnt spear]

Don't pay over 170 for one

[agile jolt]

Ah

[cerulean wadi]

$250ish definitely would be ez. 1660S currently has a wacky good value. Try to look for 3600. $200 3700x seems too high

[agile jolt]

I can try to find some under that

[agile jolt]

Considering its a smaller card that kinda sips power

I believe I got an OC one as well

Have to double check

[burnt spear]

All gpus can oc

Yours might just have a small factory oc

[cerulean wadi]

Yea even my 1080 peaks at 200w but averages 130-160 ingame mostly.

[agile jolt]

That's what I meant I think

But yeah

[burnt spear]

It's not a crazy oc

[agile jolt]

I think it'll be a small, bit nice jump

But

[burnt spear]

My 3060 ti has a +100 oc on mem from the factory

Can add another 1100 on to that

[agile jolt]

On ebay the 3700x hovers near the $200 range

[burnt spear]

Try marketplace

[cerulean wadi]

Did you have a 1600AF or which cpu? If you had a 3000series then just gaining 2 cores wouldn't be a big improvement.

[burnt spear]

3500

[agile jolt]

Yeah

[burnt spear]

Issue is 3500 is 6c 6t

[agile jolt]

^

[burnt spear]

But it's enough for a 6600

[agile jolt]

A better cpu would be nice for games like minecraft and tf2

But you're probably right

[burnt spear]

Eh

[agile jolt]

TF2 doesn't even use all 6 cores to my knowledge

[burnt spear]

Those games don't require much to run

Mc will run at hundreds of fps fine

[agile jolt]

Tf2 is just hella unoptimized now

[cerulean wadi]

I figure 3700x is just 8core8thread then. I'd more likely suggest an actual mobo change and going 5600x, which actually beats 3700x quite a but while often cheaper.

[burnt spear]

Nah

8c 16t iirc

[agile jolt]

8 core 16b

Yeah

[burnt spear]

As I said, 3500 is fine for now

[agile jolt]

Probably

[burnt spear]

Cpu should be next upgrade, yes

But doesn't have to be now

Would be better to change mobo and cpu at the same time

[cerulean wadi]

It's just a lot different than $35 like what the Intel "3770" cost me. Now that was a surprisingly big upgrade (in specific games). 99% cpu to under 70% usage for instance.

[burnt spear]

3700x ain't worth it from a 3500

[agile jolt]

New mobo means new case so

Always kinda iffy to jump all the way

And new psu but that's like $60 lop

Lol

[burnt spear]

12400f b660 prime and mx330-g air is around $380

Psu wouldn't be required

Depending

I still wouldn't recc 3700x

Not from a 3500 paired with a 6600

[agile jolt]

If I got a new mobo

Id probably go 5600

Or somethin

[burnt spear]

5600 and low end b550 is around $300

And then mx330-g air is 60

Wait

Thats not math

One second

[agile jolt]

Lmao

[burnt spear]

I'm at work so this might be slow

[agile jolt]

Same

Take yer time

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kJwNPX

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RqGD4s

$10 diff

12400 is a small bit better (like 5% nothing very noticeable)

So either or

[agile jolt]

I think that case will fit

My spot

[burnt spear]

It's decently small but not tiny

[agile jolt]

Don't think it's as small as the pavilion

That's just weirdly shaped

[burnt spear]

It also comes with fans

Albeit a little ugly

[agile jolt]

Yeah

I can probably turn the lights off

[burnt spear]

4000d airflow is also on sale for 95

Bit of a jump tho

[agile jolt]

Pavilion dimensions

They weird

Kinda square

I'm 99% sure my current pc just has a normal wifi card in it

So I don't need a board with built in if it'll save any costs

I need to double check though

[ionic herald]

A 3200g is 309 and the 5900x is 390

Which one should i get 😆

[cursive epoch]

3200g obviously

The G stands for God

[cerulean wadi]

If not a much cheaper 5600x 6core, could split the difference on the 4 and 12 core to get a $279-340 8core

[grizzled bloom]

Did you guys see the 5800X3D review that got posted and broke embargo?

Ignoring their comparison to the 12900k because bad methodology, it looks like a killer CPU.

[cerulean wadi]

I've heard about it some. Still $450ish, but no doubt great gaming performance and still has it's multi-core/threaded performance as well. Depending on mobo of course could be a crazy upgrade for someone on a 1600AF or w/e who decided to "go big".

[vast meadow]

If you need Integrated graphics 5600g if you don't, 5600 or 5700x, you can go 5900x too if you want the extra cores i guess

[scenic solar]

Broken HDD in your pc?
Solution:
Buy a new HDD or SSD
Me: NO

Taking the HDD from the dell optiplex 3050
Me: 😃 👍

There has to be always a cheaper solution

[vernal cosmos]

Not always

[scenic solar]

YES.

Just to know, what's L4 cache used for, and where can you find it? Supercomputers?

[cursive epoch]

L4 cache doesn't exist on consumer PCs

Not even server chips tbh

[vast meadow]

"L4 cache" is ram

[cursive epoch]

ye

It's just ram

[scenic solar]

Oh

Lol

[naive pendant]

does that technically make L5 cache your ssd/hard drive

[scenic solar]

Usb pen = L6

[naive pendant]

what level cache would my brain be

[burnt spear]

27

[scenic solar]

L69

Slow

[naive pendant]

[scenic solar]

Just kidding

[naive pendant]

dang

well you're not wrong

you should see my gpa

[scenic solar]

🤨 mmh

[naive pendant]

1.18

[scenic solar]

meinkampf

Oh wait

[naive pendant]

🤨

[scenic solar]

*Minecraft

[long acorn]

I want to link a review to the 5800x3D here, a brand new AM4 CPU that drops into any 5000-series-supported motherboard with a BIOS update for MSRP 450$. You might be amazed. Video is SFW, G-rated, and is via Gamer's Nexus. Wow AMD, nice shot! Just pulled the rug right out from under the 12900KS without needing to replace the motherboard, so maybe ASUS-and-friends aren't as thrilled as us.
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBFNoKUHjcg||

[scenic solar]

5800x3D is a bit hot compared to 5800x

[long acorn]

I was so shocked by how well this did. If I didn't have a 3950x already I'd get it.

@scenic solar Well it's 100~105w in tests where the 12900KS was ALMOST 300w, so it's not bad considering it takes you into cutting-edge tech territory, and that's a clear resounding win compared to the competition. It's all in perspective.

[vast meadow]

Makes sense tbh cache be hot

[scenic solar]

It's also between the cores and the ihs

It traps all the heat

But I think efficiency is much more important

[long acorn]

It's just a hair lower-clocked than the 5800x, BUT, and this is important, the cache much more than offsets this in most scenarios, or at-least doesn't create a deficit. Small operations that do not benefit from cache will NOT really be faster, as they're tied to clock-speed / IPC, but anything that takes cache to it's advantage will have a BIG gain from it. @scenic solar The IHS is the same height. They sanded down the layers atop the die to make it fit with the same IHS and cooler mounting height.

Basically, they just packed in more CPU layers. It's got copper through-hole contacts, so if anything, it should be a wash. That does not take into effect lower clock-speed (200mhz) on avg, which will keep it pretty much close. This is NOT an overclocking CPU. It should be available in 6 days.

Power consumption isn't markedly different, and AMD publishes these numbers not as an end-all to how much the CPU actually uses, but to give you an idea how to spec the PSU, motherboard (though mostly 80/90w limited motherboards are more rare these days than 10 years ago for example), and most importantly your CPU cooler (and case to a lesser extent). Like anything else, each CPU is a little different, but in the last few years, there's much less difference between chips as the bins are A LOT tighter than used-to-be even just 5~6 years ago.

[main pulsar]

sup bob

also yeah we have been oogling the spec sheets for the X3D for a bit

glad to finally see real numbers

[long acorn]

@main pulsar Howdy-do bud. Alive here, just had my back get nerve-block surgery yesterday, still feeling a little stupid from being knocked out for a bit.

[main pulsar]

oh man

feelin good?

[burnt spear]

I'm gonna get it to and cool it with my se-224xt

[long acorn]

Yes, I was pretty shocked as I didn't think the NDA was until 4/20 - yes - that was the day - but that's the sale day apparently.

[burnt spear]

I like to watch the world my cpu burn

[main pulsar]

huh

[burnt spear]

Bruh

[long acorn]

Well I didn't think the NDA (non-disclosure agreement) came down for another 6 days or so. The release day for the CPU is April 20th.

Normally the companies keep tight lipped, but as one can see, the CPU definitely is something to be proud of, unlike Bulldozer FX disaster (I hated my FX chip, had it for 3 weeks, was ready to toss it out of the 2nd floor of my house in 2014, then got a Haswell - yay - then got Ryzen in 2019 - another big yay AND this one doesn't try to bake me to a crisp or deafen me needing 65535 fans).

Ryzen itself has been a GODSEND. Whether working with my 20k x 20k (or larger!) textures for max fidelity, or working on huge models, or testing all my miserable doings inside my city I'm making (Los Injurus) for BeamNG Drive using the physics and 20+ AI vehicles at once (which is awesome if you don't need a game with hand-holding and just like to mill about). That and taking a truck full of pianos for a joy ride through the woods (or off a cliff) never gets old. there's just some part in me that gets a panacea for defeating all those evil-minded pianos. Now we just need ACME rockets and it's complete. Even paint dot net (which shall not be underestimated for a second) uses all cores when running various resize, re-render, and filter/tools. That and equally important = I can live with it. I don't need to keep the PC in another room and run wires through the wall due to HEAT issues.

That and I'm super guilty of never closing things out when I'm not totally sure if I'm done with them yet - but need a break and game for an hour and it's like nothing is open. I just cannot put into words how nice it is to not have to worry about losing my place in everything when you decide to goof off for an hour or two if only for sanity's sake. Many-core CPU's are just worth every last penny and then some.

[main pulsar]

man really likes his ryzen

lol

[long acorn]

But alas, don't want to sound too self-centered here. Just wanted to mainly drop the review in (I don't gain a thing from doing so), as maybe it'll make someone's day.

[main pulsar]

sometimes, more cores does equal more better

[long acorn]

@main pulsar Yes and totally NOT a brag, it's a testament to spending extra on a chip and not having to OC it or go broke trying to cool the house while using it... I love that if I must ever reset BIOS, I don't have a million settings to set, just need to make sure the RAM is the right speed and it's off to the races. Having a good CPU that's properly set from the factory = bliss, and is req'd when doing WORK on the PC as it's not just for games (it does those just dandy too but admittedly don't have the most intensive modern games as for-example I use 1993's Doom when I want FPS).

[main pulsar]

yeah, hopefully intel will bring their HEDT platform back to life

something that just works with a ton of hp cores

no e core memes

[long acorn]

When you work with lots of many-GB files, lots of large archives, amidst all the game-dev duties that creating models and the 3D artistry of creating the whole rest of the environment the models go in, you don't want to WAIT after building a new computer? It's supposed to do what you need it to, in a timely manner, in an acceptable fashion. Otherwise, you did something wrong or the tech doesn't exist yet.

[cerulean wadi]

Should work for AMD. Remember KS is the super binned top dawg model & the normal K is much lower wattage. Of course it's another gen where amd has overall outright better power efficiency. Plus don't need Win11 thread director.DOOM, lol. I pretty much started w/ UT99. 🤘 -1.7ghz P4 & some old asus mobo like P4B266 something.

[naive pendant]

ikr

[long acorn]

I would have had to spend more than a new PC to update all my commercial software (pay once, get upgrades for a year or two etc, what that isn't pay-monthly-always-updated types), than it'd have cost for a brand new 12900KS system with water cooling and possibly a new GPU. It's too much to have to go through, and plus some software STILL does not support that e-core rubbish (sorry, I hated them from the moment I heard about them, even if they do help 1% lows in games, as someone doing game-dev things nope none of us like e-cores and wish they'd go away before they cause any more problems). Intel's HEDT is missed. Wait until 6~9 months and HEDT should be back.

[main pulsar]

i honestly dont know if intel even has anything in the works for HEDT, havent seen a single leak for anything

usually you see something that indicates they are working on it

havent heard a peep since the rumored 11980xe or whatever like 2 years ago

if intel just leaves that market altogether thinking they can stick it on their consumer platform, amd is gonna eat it up

[long acorn]

The 12900KS hits around 50~53w higher in turbo durations and longer time spent at it than 12900K. I still wouldn't want anything over 150~200w in my system and would highly prefer to keep it below 150w if and when possible at all times unless it's some monster like EPYC, but that is also the reason I didn't build myself one.

[main pulsar]

and they have been with the 5950x

and TR ofc

the new zen 3 TR chips are really looking good

and intel literally has nothing to combat it

[long acorn]

TR PRO interested me, but again, there's availability issues... and that 200+w sector is NOT for me. I'd have to have the PC in another room and my physical health is not that good to always get out that far across the house every day.

[main pulsar]

oh yeah, power and heat are insane

although comparatively, just a couple watts per core is even crazier

[long acorn]

Intel has XEON, which is good for those that don't want to go and validate a whole new type of motherboard/cpu, even if generational XEON changes still require it - it's still less. HOWEVER, for those who want absolute monster performance, it'd have to be EPYC... or TR-PRO / TR if they're single-seat PC's.

Per-core licenses aren't fun on EPYC. This is what can still sell XEON's as if Customer A has a 16-core XEON that's a few years old and gets a new 16-core XEON that is current-gen tech, they don't pay extra - just deactivate the old machine installation and x-fer over to the new one, and good to go. A 64-core EPYC for example could cost a lot more - sometimes much much more than a 4x linear increase (and sometimes less).

[main pulsar]

yeah in the server space xeon is still very prevalent

[long acorn]

World machine, which is a terrain-creation tool, has an indie license that's ram-limited and runs on 2 cores, but if you step up to the full-on edition to use all cores, is several times more expensive but is no longer limited by either. So even in the common user-space desktop, pro tools for game creation are often deciding factors on what CPU you buy OR what version of the program you get.

[main pulsar]

oof

didnt realize there were applications with per core licensing

thought it was only an OS thing

[long acorn]

World machine is a GREAT tool, but if I wanted to upgrade it, I'd be spending a lot of money (despite having a 3950x, I don't actually use it often enough to warrant having the higher tier version and yes it's limited to 2 cores on Indie, booo).

Often it's per-seat licensing, but for example Maya LT (think of it as indie) won't use more than a core or two, but if you step up to a higher tier, it multi-threads most actions including saving and loading. You don't want to know how long loading millions of poly's takes on a single core, but it's a synonymous with OUCH.

[haughty cedar]

you guys think going from the 3800x to the 5800x3d is worth it

[main pulsar]

only if you are desperate for single core perf

eg 144hz+

[haughty cedar]

ive got at 240hz monitor

[long acorn]

If you would be CPU-limited then it is worth it. Depends what you do, read reviews. As a 3950x (stock settings, 3000mhz CL-15 dual-rank dual-channel memory) user, I can attest that there isn't much that's CPU limited over here yet, BUT our use cases are not the same. If you're CPU limited, you flip on more GPU-intensive settings. However if you had your eye on the 12900k/ks, you can get all that performance at a fraction of the heat/power draw, for a little over half what the 800$ 12900KS was going for - WITHOUT having to replace your perfectly working motherboard/ram etc. Just make sure you have a BIOS version that supports it, install it then, boot up and it's off to the races.
Just make sure to install the CPU with the ATX/EPS12V PSU turned OFF or inserting a CPU will instantly boot the system and you'll scramble for the power cord.

[main pulsar]

for sure the upgrade would be worth it, just need to figure out if the games you are playing would actually benefit

if your gpu frametimes are holding you back, a cpu upgrade wont do much

[haughty cedar]

you I mainly play stuff like warzone or Microsoft flight sim, also do you mean just turn off the power supply before replacing the cpu?

[main pulsar]

i will say that with games nowadays being so unoptimized, getting your cpu frametimes as low as possible will help overall

[haughty cedar]

yeah in warzone my cpu time is around 2-3 ms greater than my gpu

i have a 3070

[main pulsar]

warzone will 100% benefit, my mw2019 cpu frametimes are like 10-15ms

its awful lol

i even have a 240hz monitor, just hard to justify an upgrade specifically for mw2019

considering i would have to overhaul my entire system to do so

just popping in a new cpu is much more realistic in your case though

[haughty cedar]

yeah same. Thing is I have a B450 aorus elite motherboard so dont know if the board will be good enough to support it

a 5800x is the max I can put into my board

[main pulsar]

ahh, you might have to wait on that one for an updated bios

[haughty cedar]

there is a bios update

[main pulsar]

check the cpu support list

see if the x3D is on it

[haughty cedar]

isnt the x3d meant to be more efficient than the 5800x

[main pulsar]

nope, just more powerful

[haughty cedar]

ah well I have looked around and saw that 5800x is the max I can put in my board realistically. So 5800x3d should be fine

[long acorn]

If you are limited by a single-core in any game going 100% while the GPU is not fully used, with other CPU cores loafing (30~80% use by comparison), then you have a draw call bottleneck in a DX11 game. If it is DX12 or Vulkan, those have multi-threaded draw calls. Examples of draw call limited games are Fallout 4 in downtown boston (worse with 'scrap mods' used for custom settlements often!), original versions of MS Flight Simulator 2020 in DX11 mode, and even earlier versions of BeamNG Drive. If your CPU is almost always pegged at 100% in games yes it's worth an upgrade. There is a 19~30% gain from 3000 to 5000 series on average, both with the unified L3 cache and reduced latency, and to generational improvements within the core including branch-prediction, PLUS the extra 5~30% gain from the cache improvement. So worst case is a 24% improvement, best-case you could see wild improvements over 50% but most improvements will fall between those two numbers. Also, having dual-rank memory IS important to Ryzen 5000 series (any of them). Almost all 16gb or higher sticks are dual rank, notes as 2xR or 2R, (not just 'R' which is an abbreviation for Registered 'server' memory!). 1xR is single-rank by comparison.

[main pulsar]

not how that works

[haughty cedar]

ah okay

lol

[long acorn]

@haughty cedar If you keep the VRM's cool, that is more important than the wattage of chip you put in, or at the very least, just as important. They will fail from heat quicker than a CPU on most mainstream or entry-level boards.

[haughty cedar]

what sort of VRM temps do you ideally want

[long acorn]

Folks who use water/liquid cooling on the CPU often forget to get good airflow over those VRM's, tower-style coolers can be guilty of this also. So there is a GOOD reason why OEM's often stick to down-draft coolers (even if often OEM ones should be solely relegated to paper weights).

[cerulean wadi]

Normal 5600x or 5800x would both even be a moderate upgrade for ya from 3000 series

[long acorn]

VRM's = cooler is better. 100C+ is failure imminent, 90C+ is not good for extended time, 80C+ isn't great but should not seriously reduce lifespan unless they're the cheapest ones you can get, and anything below 80C does not realistically detract from useful lifespan. Better boards have better VRM units that can take a little more abuse, and the more there are the less work they have to do. There are some edge-case boards that are made to do 90~95C on the VRM's daily, but that is an exception rather than the rule and thus should not be relied upon to be the case.

[scenic solar]

Talking about RAM burst length, shouldn't it be measured without a unit of measurement (considering it's just the number of times that data packs are sent to the CPU)
Instead it's measured in bits, is that right? Or am I getting something wrong?

[main pulsar]

are you looking into this for overclocking purposes or just general knowledge?

[scenic solar]

Knowledge

[main pulsar]

i would ask in overclocking, as it probably wont get buried here, unless bob has an answer for you

because tbh, i dont know

[scenic solar]

Ok

[long acorn]

Ram burst length is more memory related. However, if you were bringing it up due to 1xr / 2xr abbreviations on the RAM spec sheets (and sales pages), dual rank is always faster than single rank, but is harder to get to a higher speed in many cases (not by that much, think of it like trying to OC 4 dimms vs 2), but both ranks read simultaneously. However, don't expect pushing RAM speed beyond the box specs / board specs with 4 sticks of dual-rank memory will be fun / walk in the park, etc.

When it comes to RAM speed, Mhz is important but not everything, latency (cas timing among MANY others) is listed on good websites for good reason, higher Mhz + lowest timings = best.

[haughty cedar]

Running stress tests on the CPU my VRM temps hit max around 52 degrees Celsius and CPU around 71 degrees Celsius

[long acorn]

@haughty cedar You have plenty of room on the VRM's then because the 3800x is same TDP (IIRC) as 5800X / 5800X3D.

CPU temps will be higher on the 5800x (and or) 3D. See how it goes with your current cooling situation, it really depends how well the case is ventilated, what cooler, room temps, etc. Ryzen will clock to meet the cooling ability most times.

[haughty cedar]

Currently for my 3800x I have the MASTERLIQUID LITE 240

from coolermaster

[long acorn]

240mm liquid/water cooling solutions should cool any AM4 CPU under even some of the most extreme situations. Provided it is working well, and continues to do so, I wouldn't change it.

[haughty cedar]

okay perfect I will upgrade to the 5800x3d when it releases then

[main pulsar]

ml240 is not the best aio

from a longevity standpoint

how old is it?

[long acorn]

I have a Noctua NH-D-15S on my 3950x, and it doesn't get into the 70's too often, and when it does do so during heavy physics, I don't ever remember it getting above 76~78C if only for a rare moment even going that high. I don't have PBO on here (not needed, computer is whisper quiet, in a full-tower Fractal case).

[haughty cedar]

1 year

[main pulsar]

well i suppose if its held up this long

i would check your cpu temps every so often, like once a month run a quick test

[long acorn]

@main pulsar Some of them gunked up, but if his is working well right now I see no issue with keeping it until it does go to the magic case in the sky.

[main pulsar]

yep yep

[haughty cedar]

I will keep it for now and see how it does when I get the 5800x3d

my temps are weird when im at idle and click chrome they can spike up to like 62 before dropping back into the 40/50's

[long acorn]

Some of the AIO or liquid cooling / water cooling setups mix copper and aluminum in the loops and that's a big BIG no-no as the metals are not fundamentally stable when in the presence of one another AND a high-conductive water or water-like substance. This is also why copper radiators often found in Honda Civics among other smaller cars of the era always jammed up or blew the head gaskets on the engines.

[long acorn]

That is normal

[haughty cedar]

perfect okay

[long acorn]

There are thresholds that the chip will hit and it will attempt to cool itself, more and more as it gets warmer, this is normal behavior. Should the chip not be able to cool itself, around 65C or so, you will see a 50mhz drop (not a lot) and some voltage drop to compensate, if it still cannot keep itself steady temps or otherwise under control, it will continue to scale back clocks in 25mhz increments until it can do so. If your chip is not running on-the-box speeds after a while and you hear fans howling (as if a game is running), then you have an issue and need to look at the cooler (or bios settings).

[haughty cedar]

yeah I get you, I had a recent issue with my AIO where on boot the pump did not work and my CPU temps would hit like 90-100 degrees on boot only

but I changed some settings in BIOS to fix that

[long acorn]

My 3950x holds 4.175~4.25ghz at all times on all cores when doing intensive works, although when doing benchmarking for over an hour I've seen it get down to about 4.125~4.15ghz (I forget) on all-core when it got around 76~78C.

[vast meadow]

Huh 5800x and 5800x3d have the same ihs and cores

[scenic solar]

Yes but the cache is on top of the cores

[vast meadow]

Yea it's just more cache on top of the cores

[scenic solar]

More heat trapped

I think...

[long acorn]

Yes, if using liquid cooling, always tell BIOS that as the pump must run full speed or it won't spin and you could burn up the motor in it trying to start it at a very slow speed - for the same reason fans always switch to high when they turn on (fans outside your PC that is).
@vast meadow I never said the CORES were different. I stated that AMD sanded down some layers atop the cores that normally are there to protect the die during MRF routines and similar, so that the cache would fit without redesigning the IHS.

[haughty cedar]

also do you think I should have my case fans run at 100% or dependent on VRM temps to improve cooling

[long acorn]

@scenic solar Not more heat trapped, it's going to be a wash, less 'junk' material between chip core area and IHS bottom. This is normally space for indium type material or clear coatings applied over-top the cores to protect them.

Leave your case fans on auto, or whatever setting best fits your lifestyle without causing undue harm to components. @haughty cedar

There's little to no real-world user-perceivable difference between a system's internals being 40C and 65C, other than NOISE produced (or WIND). There will be a small frequency bump the cooler it is, but it's not night/day difference, and not worth the extra money it costs to make the difference in most cases - unless your old solution was super noisy or broken that is.

[vast meadow]

Yeah was talking 5o lofabio but mis understood their message

[long acorn]

@vast meadow Don't sweat it... I am not the type to get upset, period, just turned 40 a few months ago, not hurrying to get my blood pressure raised over anything on a screen when it was already 141/97 yesterday (THAT's BAD).

[haughty cedar]

yeah I have them on auto but they always seem to run pretty much at idle speeds

[long acorn]

You don't need more cooling, or to change cooling or any settings, unless you're seeing temps in the 80C or higher range. You also won't solely kill things with heat alone unless you deliberately are trying to do so - it usually takes heat PLUS voltage increases to shorten lifespan due to most-common of failures to overclockers - which is electro-migration, or simply-put: you burned it up so well that atoms moved and now you're not going to fix it. However, heat alone when there's enough of it (90~92C and up) can shorten lifespan of components. Below 80~85C there will be no realistic reduction in the usable life of components for most all computer components. Even if you hit 84~85C daily on your chip for bursty workloads an hour or two a day (at that temp), it's still NOT going to reduce lifespan, this is well within operating range. However, should you see speeds below stock clock speeds when intensive apps or games are running (not the turbo speeds mind-you), then there's an issue somewhere. Clocking down when idle or clocking down some cores while web-surfing is a different animal, and is to be expected.

[haughty cedar]

Okay perfect thank you so much. Many people were telling me that my board will not take the 5800x3d but you guys have cleared things up

[main pulsar]

now hold up a moment, just because theoretically your board would work with a 5800x3d, does not mean it will work

[long acorn]

Well, look on the manufacturer web site, if there's a BIOS that supports it, then make sure to update the BIOS, and then install the chip. Keep in mind that IF upgrading from a 1000 or 2000 series chip to a 5000 series chip this should be done with a note of caution - even if the BIOS supports it, DO NOT update BIOS IN THIS SITUATION until the chip is ready to be installed and in-hand, as boards with smaller BIOS chip sizes can't fit the micro-code for all chips for the AM4 platform in at the same time. So when the chip comes, update your BIOS, and install it then right after. Do not install the chip THEN attempt to update the BIOS as some boards will not boot. Not all boards feature special BIOS flashing that can be done without any/supported CPU installed.

[vast meadow]

yeah but what 256 means is that in theory some boards will support it, the VRM's wont be capable to run the chip properly

[haughty cedar]

So how would I know if VRM’s can support it ?

[devout moth]

bob.blunderton#4275 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[long acorn]

Well I just tried to say it but this stupid thing says 'you have been warned duplicate text'.

[main pulsar]

@vast meadow can you retrieve his message?

and just paste it here

[long acorn]

What the heck is wrong with this discord thing???

[vast meadow]

you sweared

[main pulsar]

the bot isnt very smart

[long acorn]

It didn't even have duplicate text, just similar sentence structure.

I didn't swear. I don't try to anyways. I know what I typed.

[vast meadow]

IF you do not see any 5000-series chips supported, do not purchase a 5800x3D or any 5000-series chip for the motherboard.
IF you see 5000 series chips supported but not specifically a 5800x3D, do not purchase a 5800x3D for this motherboard YET, but other 5000 series are okay if you must get an upgrade now and cannot wait a week or two.
IF you see 5000-series chips supported INCLUDING specifically the chip you want, then download the BIOS update for that upgrade to a flash drive, and keep it handy, purchasing your desired chip with confidence.

[main pulsar]

thx

[vast meadow]

yeah usually a swear lol

[long acorn]

THAT.

@vast meadow thank-you

[vast meadow]

no problem lol

yeah i think 5000-series x 3 wasnt liked by the bot so i removed one of the -'s

[vast meadow]

usually just this lol ^

[vast meadow]

whats your board

[long acorn]

@haughty cedar If the manufacturer of the motherboard supports the board you have in your possession and says there's a BIOS update supporting your chip, it should work in that board with the stated BIOS revision. Cheaper boards will hold higher clocks a little less than a stronger more enthusiast-rated board in borderline edge-cases like trying to put a 3950x on an A320 board and expecting VRM's without heat-sinks not to be FIRE temps if you ran a physics simulator 24/7 on it (just about). But unless you're doing that, I wouldn't worry.

[haughty cedar]

B450 arous elite

[vast meadow]

that should be okay

[haughty cedar]

Yeah I have already seen a bios update for the 5800x3d

[long acorn]

Each revision of the chipset (1st number increases) for AM4 platform has almost always from every manufacturer shown a better VRM setup - not always - but almost always. So your B450 Aorus (anything) will be wonderful with it. Even a 5950x should not stress a B450 Aorus (anything) to the breaking point unless going for LN2 overclocks... then it might die a little before say a super-mega-maxi-moonjumps-Asus-or-Gigabyte-1000$ motherboard.

It's really only the earliest boards with dodgy VRM's from back before the 2000-series launched that could be considered suspect with extended heavy use/abuse on the most intense chips (which actually for what it's worth, a 12-core Ryzen almost always takes more power than it's 16-core brother due to the fact of BINNING).

[vernal cosmos]

ehhhhhhh

[haughty cedar]

Perfect 👍 thanks. I will wait for the CPU support list to be updated and if the processor is there I’ll get it

[vast meadow]

b450 aorus elilte would work but not be great - cpu perf would be fine just toasty vrms

[haughty cedar]

Okay so I will not see any performance drops in cpu performance just warm temps

[vernal cosmos]

yeah i wouldnt really run any cpu over a 5600x with pbo on on that board

[long acorn]

VRM's tend to snowball, the hotter they are, the less efficient they are, that's why manufacturers put more of them on the board and charge you more. Does it make a difference in most cases - to 90~95% of people it never will. However, for those that use the heck out of the computer or make it work 24/7, it can be entirely worth ponying up for a little better board if you want top-notch performance.
@vast meadow He's running a 105w 3800x, same tdp as 5800x3D. The VRM's will be a touch warmer due to the CPU itself being warmer, but other than that, power is power in this case.

[haughty cedar]

Yeah VRM’s currently are 52 degrees Celsius on full cpu load

[long acorn]

Now if it had the cheapo ASROCK or MSI VRM solution, I'd be on the fence a bit as those weren't good under almost any condition. Gigabyte B450 Aorus Elite? It could be much, much, MUCH worse than that.

@haughty cedar Look up the reviews of that board on HARDWARE UNBOXED on youtube, they LOVED that board. It's a solid board with a lot of what you need and not a lot of what you don't, so it had very good value. If you were going from a 65w 3700x to a 105w 5800x3D, I'd be cautious, but seeing as you're on a 105w 3800x already, the difference from the radiant (straight-line cast) heat and board-conducted heat (from cpu socket as 5000 is warmer than 3000 series) is going to be the largest difference, and even then isn't going to be night and day. If someone can point otherwise out to me/us great, but otherwise that should stand.

[vernal cosmos]

asrock amd boards very nais

and msi has some of the best budget boards rn

[main pulsar]

yeah, but hes refering to the ones with literally no vrm heatsink

[vast meadow]

some asrock amd boards are very nice others are just as good as intel asrock boards :)

[vernal cosmos]

gigabyte b450 elite not greatest tbh

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1137619-motherboard-vrm-tier-list-v2-currently-amd-only/

[vast meadow]

b450*

[long acorn]

@vernal cosmos Well, just avoid budget ASROCK and MSI offerings until you see VRM temps, what we're specifically speaking on. The Taichi and MSI 'godlike' I believe it was were GREAT boards if you don't mind spending though.
I have a dead x570 Phantom Gaming 4 in here I won't even send back, in the box. I hated, and I mean HATED that board. Never did get the hot-plug sata to work on that one either. Always power-cycled multiple times when turning on, etc. Now a Taichi I've used does none of that. Have a mid-level Asus in here now and it's fantastic, rock-solid, and gets into windows login before the ASRock even saw the bios screen.

That does NOT mean asus/gigabyte can't make an absolute STINKER of a board, I had heck to pay with my Asus P5N32-deluxe-SLI board from 2007. I HATED that board and replaced it with a cheapo mATX <100$ ABIT board (yes, ABIT, remember them?) and the thing functioned for 10 years or so until someone STOLE the PC from my nephew.

[vernal cosmos]

b550 pro vdh verynais

[long acorn]

That ABIT board was a board reviewers called cheap junk, but I took good care of it and didn't overwork the thing or roast it to death... 10 years out of it and the last 5~8 years of it's life it basically just barely got a cleaning aside of normal desktop mixed use.

Have an AM2+ cheapo 70$ ASRock board from 2008~2009 era that STILL LIVES, used every day often left running for months on end, barely cleaned, works just dandy with it's 4gb of DDR2 800mhz and 2900mhz dual-core Athlon II 500 (non-BE, sadly). That's used in the email PC we use to do bills or church stuff on, surf the net, do email etc. I keep saying I'm going to upgrade it when it dies... started saying that 10 years ago. Cheapo Newegg-purchased 400/500w power supply in it too... Rosewill brand. After that unit I will never sour the name of Rosewill, it's lasted about FIFTEEN YEARS almost.

[cerulean wadi]

Abit reminds me when my dad & I got big into computers around 2002. 😅 (good times, and Frys Electronics was awesome)

[long acorn]

That thing has survived so many times of our house getting struck by lightning (it's common), the power substation exploding (and taking out tons of equipment even one of my Seasonic 750w units here which had low 3.3v after the fact, but Seasonic replaced it near the end of warranty no questions asked), and even was absolutely fine after the cat peed on the surge supressor. I think it even did better than the cat, though that happening almost caused the house to burn down.

Don't whiz on the electric ANYTHING, kids. BAD things happen. I believe that subtracted one or two extra lives from kitty's reserves, though. The surge suppressor started melting and making egg-sizzling sounds. Not good! No fire, not really smoke, but if left unchecked it could have gotten hot enough to light up and burn. Needless to say I hang my surge suppressors on the wall now. All of them.

Lost a lot of TV's due to lightning, but these Seasonic power supplies (and that Rosewill, which IIRC might be made by Seasonic, if not, by FSP/Forton) take an absolute and utter BEATING and keep going. It took 5+ direct hits on the house to kill the 620w, all with no lost componentry - and it still booted the PC fine - it just was starting to sag from EPS12V/ATX specs on the 12v line when only pulling 400w+ from the wall give or take a few watts (the last one had 3.3v sag issues - but that wasn't causing boot failure either, it caused sound card drop-out on my X-fi I had at the time from 3.3v going below 3.0v). Seasonic's warranty process and experience is bare-none awesome, as are Noctua's and Fractal's. GREAT service? Well, out-side of absolutely outlandish prices happening in the dark future, I'll be a customer for life.

That said I have an Asus board that has taken dozens of hits on the house roof by lightning and it still keeps going, so Asus (and gigabyte which is owned by the same co, because gigabyte bought Asus circa 2007~2008 or so) has a place in my heart ever since my first Asus P3B-F / some Asus K6-2 Via-chipset boards I got at the end of the 90's. They are always great and thankfully that M5N-32-Sli-Deluxe (it wasn't a P5N possibly, think those are intel chipset boards, this was nvidia chipset on M5N) was an outlier. I later had a MSI nv680 chipset board with built-in soundblaster on it that was really good and was up there with all my asus boards, circa 2008 or so.
I will leave y'all go though as it's church-every-day week here in Tennessee and I must go get ready & pay my respects with the rest of the folks soon. The week following Palm Sunday is always like this, even outside of the US.
Good chit-chat though!
If anyone should find issue with something I stated as fact above, or anything similar, and can cite a source (link) to info correcting this/that about something, please DO leave a msg with the source/correction/cite so I can update info and improve user-to-user help. I'm old but I'm far, FAR from infallible and DO NOT know everything (I'd love to but surely It'd give me a headache more?).

[hollow thorn]

Hey, to be fair, MSI has been doing very well on their budget offerings across recent generations, looking at VRMs temps. (-a pro series boards and such)

ASRock still have some boards that have shoddy VRMs though.

Like for current gen Intel budget boards, the budget MSI board ran hot, but just cool enough to not throttle and perform well

[burnt spear]

I went from a Biostar b450mh to an asrock b550m/ac since it was $40 used

Still better than any Biostar board

[pastel monolith]

that msi pro b660m-a is a cheater with its 12 phase vrm lol great value though

[hollow thorn]

currently finding out it somehow doesn't have a cmos battery in #building-and-recc-chat rn lol

but yes

[pastel monolith]

really?

but...why?

[hollow thorn]

From the manual:

product images show the same thing

the person's board shows the same thing

I don't know

Maybe they needed to cut back on battery cost to jam in more phases xD

[pastel monolith]

i think it is still there

[grizzled bloom]

It has the jbat header at least

[hollow thorn]

Yea, but no watch battery that we know and love

maybe it's some small proprietary thing somewhere

[pastel monolith]

i believe it is right here

standing up

msi likes to hide them

just like the h410 msi boards

[hollow thorn]

maybe

[pastel monolith]

i mean like it has to have some sort of battery lol

[grizzled bloom]

That could be one of those laptop style ones with the wires

[hollow thorn]

I think I see it lol

[pastel monolith]

yes i think thats it

I tried to get to the bottom of it lol

[hollow thorn]

heh

MSI stop doing this to us

[pastel monolith]

not exactly stellar service lol

[hollow thorn]

good nuff

[pastel monolith]

plus you had found it in your pic for sure while i was chatting so.... I didnt press

[long geyser]

Surprised they didnt tell you to use jumper for clearing cmos

[serene topaz]

Opinion on upgrading from a 7900x to a 10980XE for both gaming and heavy workstation tasks?

[naive pendant]

for gaming, its not worth it at all. for things that really utilize cores, you would see a benefit, but you'd get better value getting a 7980XE.

[vast meadow]

For workstation ryzen 9 5950x if you need lot of cores or i9 12900k if you don't need just pure cores, for a better single core

[vernal cosmos]

id go 12900k or 12700k or instead

[vernal cosmos]

12900k beats or ties 5950x multi

[vast meadow]

In most applications yes but some take more use of the cores/zen arch wins

[vernal cosmos]

yeah but overall 12900k still nicer ya kno

[naive pendant]

then he'd have to buy a whole new board too

[finite elm]

12900k you'd need to be on win11

Some don't like that

Or do you not have to disable the e cores on Windows 10 anymore?

[vernal cosmos]

u can keep em enabled on win 10

just not as good

change core affinity of apps to p cores manually

[finite elm]

Ah gross. Manually doing things

[vernal cosmos]

only if u wanna see basically no difference

in perf

[scenic solar]

Still just to get more knowledge:
What does ram density indicates? I know the thing about 1rx8 and 1rx16 RAM, smaller density ICs= more ICs on the RAM PCB...
But what does actually the density indicates, like the number of banks? Number of bank groups? Or (more probably) the number of bits inside a bank?

[finite elm]

What do i care. I'm gonna be using a Nvidia GPU on Linux even though I keep getting told their drivers suck on Linux

[frosty wolf]

hello

would the AMD Ryzen 5 5600G work with the Gigabyte B450 AORUS M?

[regal obsidian]

Yes, but you'd probably need to update the bios

Unless if you bought it brand new, then the factory typically updates the board itself

[burnt spear]

unless you already own the b450, i would not buy it

[frosty wolf]

hehe, thanks; i'm being cheap

[burnt spear]

how much is it

[frosty wolf]

80 bux here

[burnt spear]

if youre not buying used, theres better for cheaper

[frosty wolf]

the asus ROG strix, is like 250

[burnt spear]

slightly more for a much better mobo https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g6vqqs/msi-b550m-a-pro-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-a-pro

and one sec

ill get one for the same price

[regal obsidian]

I mean a plus to the b450 is its versatility

[burnt spear]

apparently its the cheapest b550

[frosty wolf]

i'm primarily going to windows 11 compatibility

[burnt spear]

i still would buy a used b550 over a b450

[burnt spear]

why?

[frosty wolf]

for*

[burnt spear]

also are you using the igpu on the 5600g?

[frosty wolf]

i might...

[burnt spear]

thats not exactly an answer?

[frosty wolf]

while wait for a discrete card

[burnt spear]

ah

id get 12400

[cerulean wadi]

I've heard some b450 mobos are outright better, but I can't recall how or why. Cpu support is part of why b550 would be good though

[frosty wolf]

intel?

[burnt spear]

its same price

and has much better cpu perf

[frosty wolf]

does it require an AIO?

[burnt spear]

no

[frosty wolf]

okie, hmmm....

[burnt spear]

whats your overall budget?

including the gpu

[frosty wolf]

imma shoot for less than 600'ish

[burnt spear]

including the gpu?

[frosty wolf]

i already have SSD

i may already have a gpu for now

an evga 1060 gtx

so, i'm looking at, cpu/mobo/mem

i already have case/psu

[burnt spear]

what psu, if you know?

[frosty wolf]

i am cannibalizing my old sandy bridge setup

corsair 650

[burnt spear]

rm or rmx?

[frosty wolf]

just rm

[burnt spear]

b tier iirc

alr one sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zszG3y prolly a better heatsink you could get, im not 100% sure

ak620 is complete overkill

[frosty wolf]

what socket is the i5-12400?

[burnt spear]

also might be worth replacing your case depending on what it is

lga 1700 i believe?

i get them all mixed up

[frosty wolf]

case is a zalman T6 mid

[burnt spear]

i cant tell from the pictures, if the front mesh or solid?

[frosty wolf]

i'm hoping my zalman cnps9500at copper cpu cooler can be repurposed for that

front mesh

[burnt spear]

should be fine then

[frosty wolf]

thanks for the system builder recommend

[burnt spear]

12400 destroys 5600g cpu

if you want ryzen, 5700x or 5600 is a good option

5600 might be more worth it actually, just no igpu

[cerulean wadi]

12400 good w/ a peerless assassin, $40ish cooler

[frosty wolf]

is the 12400 windows 11 compatible?

[hollow thorn]

12400 works best on win 11

[burnt spear]

no ecores

its win11 compatible but its not a huge diff

[frosty wolf]

ic

[hollow thorn]

Will work well still

[frosty wolf]

okies

12 is for 12th gen core, correct?

[hollow thorn]

Yes..?

[regal obsidian]

Also I'm having an issue that I could use some help on, but I don't wanna siderail klrm lol
Basically it's a bootloop when trying to install win10. The windows logo only flashes for a moment before the screen goes black and it reboots to the mb screen
I'm concerned that it might be some kind of compatability issue, but not sure. It's running an Ryzen 5-1600, a 8x2gb 3200mhz kit of ram, a Gigabyte Ultra X470 board, and a 256gb WD m.2. I've tried different drives so far, and two different USBs, but I'm a little stumped currently

[hollow thorn]

Can you get into bios?

[cerulean wadi]

12400 doesn't need Win11 like K series do. That's a definite plus

[frosty wolf]

okies

[regal obsidian]

Yes, bios is accessible, can change settings and all

[frosty wolf]

well, this build i am looking to do, is for windows 11

[regal obsidian]

Just it's the win10 install that isn't working

[frosty wolf]

okie, so the system POSTs?

then reboots?

[hollow thorn]

Xmp off for now, correct?

[cerulean wadi]

What* about trying 1 ram stick during install?

[hollow thorn]

Also, how's temps while in bios

[regal obsidian]

It posts, boots up the Gigabyte logo, and then flashes the windows logo before loops

Good, around 30c

And I'll check xmp

[hollow thorn]

Might want to check boot options too

[regal obsidian]

Xmp is off

[hollow thorn]

Check if it's on uefi or legacy

[regal obsidian]

And it's defaulted to 2667mhz

[frosty wolf]

you have secondary storage hooked up, yes?

if it POSTs, mem is prolly ok

[regal obsidian]

Nope, there is one, but I unplugged it for troubleshooting

[hollow thorn]

Just a note for you, m.2_1 will take sata and NVMe drives, but m.2_2 only takes NVMe drives, can't do m.2 sata

[regal obsidian]

Yeet. This is easier than typing lol

[frosty wolf]

try looking for a secure boot setting (not sure what Gigabyte calls their implementation)

MSI calls theirs "CSM..."

other mfr's "WHQL..."

[hollow thorn]

Might want to change boot option control to uefi

[cerulean wadi]

That legacy only setting probably messing you up tbh. Legacy boot generally for a hdd, gotta do uefi or "both". Mr2222 beat me by a sec

[hollow thorn]

I think legacy boot is for 32bit os or something, dunno though

[cerulean wadi]

Not necessarily 32bit but just a hdd or not an ssd. I had a hdd as boot only a couple months ago, but I might misremember legacy/uefi quirks

[frosty wolf]

okie, going back to my query a minute ago - just making sure, them recommended parts, are indeed Windows 11 compatible, yes?

just confirming

b4 i pull the trigger

[cerulean wadi]

If anything is, it's 12 gen yea. 12gen is basically the newest cpu family.

[frosty wolf]

kewl beans, thanks again 🙂

[regal obsidian]

I'll also give that a try lol

Nada, still loops

Let's try one ram stick

Wouldn't even post XD

[cerulean wadi]

The other stick? Idk, perhaps install media got borked. Bound to be other ideas 1st though.

[regal obsidian]

Changed to the other two ram slots to identical results

At this point I know it's not that. I've created two different boot media tools, and both are doing the same

Even re-downloaded it too

Part of me thinks it could maybe be the RAM, mostly because it's one of more common issues to my knowledge with Ryzen 1st gen

Just wish I had a kit to spare lol

[scenic solar]

What does ram density indicates? I know the thing about 1rx8 and 1rx16 RAM, smaller density ICs= more ICs on the RAM PCB...
But what does actually the density indicates, like the number of banks? Number of bank groups? Or (more probably) the number of bits inside a bank?

[hollow thorn]

16gbit vs 8gbit dies are about the capacity of the chip, same number of bank groups, afaik it's just more columns within each bank, no more bank groups

Although I think there's some difference from x8 to x16 ddr4 dies, bz had a good video on it some time ago

@regal obsidian perhaps blame the drive?

[regal obsidian]

I did, but I know it's not that because I've tried 3 different drives lmao

[hollow thorn]

Sad

[regal obsidian]

2 were nvme's, and I just tried with a SATA ssd

Very. It's quite annoying lol

[hollow thorn]

Reseat some things while trying to think of ideas ig

Could try rolling back bios version, I don't think your board did, but newer bios on some boards take away Zen 1 support to support Zen 3 chips

[regal obsidian]

Oh this board has a bios from 2018, so I know it's not that either

[hollow thorn]

Dunno then

[regal obsidian]

Unfortunate that it's the case. I was building this for a friend, so it's a little sad

[cerulean wadi]

I thought of density as the actual capacity of each die/chip on the stick. Single sided 8GB dimm might 8x1GB chips while a 16GB dimm could be 8 x 2GB, or 16 x 1 GB chips. Density is how we're not stuck w/ a 4GB kit anymore. Could mention "bit" with ram, but I tried to explain my thinking.

[reef iris]

So I'm finally upgrading from B450. I had always had the Dark Hero in the back of my mind, but I'm not sure how the MSI x570s ace max compares

[mild jackal]

It should be a better board overall, I think some people like the b550 unify-x, but apparently they die after x cmos clears

[grizzled bloom]

Wait what

What kind of BS chips are they using that have a limited number of programmings?

[mild jackal]

I forget if it was that board specifically, but I guess there could be some kind of bug that writes far more to the eeprom during a cmos clear than necessary

[grizzled bloom]

I guess we won't know the true issue unless someone connects an external programmer and watches the behavior during cmos clear

That doesn't sound quite right, since even if it did overflow the eeprom you could just clear it again, right?

[vast meadow]

What b450 and what cpu you got because there's probably not much point

[reef iris]

I have a B450 F with a 2600. But I'm ordering a 5900x right now

Have it in cart. Just looking at some gpu prices

[vast meadow]

I'd get a 12700k and z690 instead

[reef iris]

.

[grizzled bloom]

You could probably run a 5800X at stock on your current board too

[wheat salmon]

I mean 5800x is $340 and a 12700k+z690 is $500 at the cheapest

So if ya wanna upgrade a different part of your pc it would be worth

[burnt spear]

What z690 is under 150 lol

[grizzled bloom]

Assrock

[burnt spear]

Let me fix that sentence

What usable z690 is under 150

[wheat salmon]

I7 12700k from best buy is $320

[reef iris]

I figured if I got a 5900x I'd probably be able to get atleast a 4-4.2GHz oc on this board

[burnt spear]

Oh really?

Didn't know that

[vast meadow]

Just meant if they were getting a new board intel 12th gen would be the way not ryzen

I'd go ryzen 7 5700x tbh

[reef iris]

It doesn't seem unreasonable

I've just never actually considered Intel

[grizzled bloom]

You don't do static overclocks on zen 2 or 3, you use PBO and it boosts way higher than even static clocks

[reef iris]

Oh okay...

Higher sounds good to me

[grizzled bloom]

That's a 0 feedback seller that ships from china, and at that price probably a scam

Or a typo and they meant $320

[vast meadow]

That looks suspicious

[reef iris]

The price difference in a 5700x - 5900x is only like $100. So doesn't the 5900x seem like the better choice?

Yeah I hadn't even looked to see the seller's info

[grizzled bloom]

It's their only item too

[reef iris]

It was the first result and I was like "oh"

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.newegg.com/Seller-Store/shenbiBest/about

[vast meadow]

Where are you finding the 5900x for 400$? Should be like 450 ish?

[reef iris]

$384.99 on amazon

[vast meadow]

But anyway if you where spending that much... Assuming you're mainly gaming you would go 5800x3d

[grizzled bloom]

$380 on wegg https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-5900x/p/N82E16819113664

[vast meadow]

Damm

[reef iris]

But then it's only $50 more for the 5900x. I know I might not need the performance boost.

But it feels good to have it knowing you don't need it

[grizzled bloom]

5800X3D stomps the 5900X in gaming

[reef iris]

Wha....

[grizzled bloom]

It beats even the 12900k in a lot of games

[wheat salmon]

Agreed

[reef iris]

Wait so the 5900x is a faster chip, that does worse in gaming scenarios?

[grizzled bloom]

The 5800X3D has a redesigned cache, and a lot of it, which games love

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_5800x3d_review,22.html

[reef iris]

oh I just noticed you're saying 5800x3D and not just 5800x

It's not onsale yet is it?

[grizzled bloom]

It is in a few days

[reef iris]

Oh okay.

[grizzled bloom]

But also if you're talking about regular 5800X vs 5900X they're almost identical in games

[reef iris]

Oh okay

[grizzled bloom]

Which you can also see in the page I linked

Within 1-2% usually

[wheat salmon]

I got lucky and my 5900x can do 5.1ghz single core on air

But 5800x can typically get higher fclks and memory OC

[grizzled bloom]

That's mostly down to binning, but not bad for air cooling

I get boosts to 5.25 with a crummy liquid cooler

[reef iris]

So 5800x is seeming like the move

[wheat salmon]

12700k is better if ur win11

[reef iris]

But the z690 prices

[grizzled bloom]

5800X would be the cheapest option that still brings you to the high end

[wheat salmon]

Yea

[reef iris]

and then I think I'll buy a 3080 12gb next week

[wheat salmon]

Nice

[grizzled bloom]

You can get one for 1k on evga right now

[reef iris]

Yup

[wheat salmon]

Is that msrp? NICE

[reef iris]

Amazon has it for $999 too with faster shipping

[grizzled bloom]

Check the seller ratings too if it's not sold by amazon

[vast meadow]

5700x or 5800x3d imo

[grizzled bloom]

EVGA also has 3080 ti for msrp

[wheat salmon]

Yee, go for the 5800x3d

[reef iris]

Yeah but if I wait for the 5800x3D, I'll be paying like an extra $100

[grizzled bloom]

Yep sold by amazon, not terrible

[wheat salmon]

True.. but worth it

[reef iris]

I could use that for maybe a new PSU

Or so my bank doesn't cry when I buy the 3080

[grizzled bloom]

I'm guessing you won't be playing most games in 1080p and you'll be GPU bound most of the time

So it really won't make a difference

[reef iris]

Yup. 1440p ultrawide

[wheat salmon]

Same

[reef iris]

My 1650 has been chugging along for the past few years surprisingly

[wheat salmon]

If ur that resolution I would recommend the 5700x

[grizzled bloom]

The margins get a lot smaller at 1440p https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_5800x3d_review,23.html

[vast meadow]

Yeah but imo 5700x over 5800x because it's very close in performance

[vast meadow]

What psu you got?

[wheat salmon]

Pick the 5700x because my cpu doesn't go over 50% utilization during gaming

[reef iris]

I have a EVGA 750W

[grizzled bloom]

5800X will overclock better, that's the only reason to go for that right now

[cerulean wadi]

Btw use amazon card(s) for 5% cashback, or a decent $50 for that 3080 earlier .

[wheat salmon]

Wait, start citizen had my cpu at 70%

[reef iris]

But it's not modular or anything

[vast meadow]

Yeah but what model? Evga make some great and some trash power supplies

[reef iris]

Let me look

[wheat salmon]

I run a Corsair SF750 psu will probably need to upgrade it when I get a new gpu

Aiming for the 7000 or 40 series this fall