cpus-mobo-and-memory

[vernal cosmos]

Only temps under load

Also what cooler

[grizzled bloom]

High performance mode keeps the processor from throttling down to save power at idle so you'll get higher idle temps

[vast meadow]

Yeah I'd definitely focus on a gpu upgrade first

[opal olive]

stock so ye put that in mind

[vernal cosmos]

Stock for what cpu\

[opal olive]

oh ic

[vernal cosmos]

3700x?

[opal olive]

my nickname

[opal olive]

ye

[vernal cosmos]

Ahhh right

Mb mb

Yeah its the prolly the power plan then

But fr idle temps dont matter much

Load up a game and test there

[opal olive]

ic well i did i loaded up forkknife

[vernal cosmos]

Fartnut?

[opal olive]

it's 70c on fartnut

[opal olive]

lmfao

[vernal cosmos]

Yeah hats totally fine

[opal olive]

ok ok ic thank u

[vernal cosmos]

Especially since fartnut is cpu intensive

[opal olive]

yeye

i feel bad for myself

still playing it in 2021

[vernal cosmos]

Eh why feel bad

Play what you enjoy

Thats what video games are for

For you to enjoy

[severe pivot]

okay im going to hail mary and buy another mobo to test my crashes

[arctic kettle]

So I'm thinking about upgrading my ram will I see any increase if I went from 16gb to 32gb or maybe even 64gb? I game and use Adobe illustrator, Indesign, and photoshop or should I just keep it at 16

[vast meadow]

Well it depends, what games and what ram usage do you usually see? If it's less than like 80% nope

[arctic kettle]

Never actually noticed lol, have been tracking Temps lately. Since I got the new processor. I'll track that as well. I usually play rocket league, rust, halo games, forza, gta 5 and few other games

[vast meadow]

Yeah they'll be fine with 16gb

[arctic kettle]

Ya ur right I sit at around 60 to mid 60

[vast meadow]

In the adobe programs you might use more but I'd think 16gb would be fine

[crimson bison]

hey, is there anything that i can disable in settings that will stop my computer from automatically switching audio output devices?

idk where to put this, didn't think it was relevant to software

[vast meadow]

You can set default audio device by going settings -> sound contol panel-> playback

[crimson bison]

i have it already set to that

[vast meadow]

Idk then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crimson bison]

like the issue is ive been getting, sometimes not too often, pop ups saying my usb device has been disconnected but it hasnt been unplugged and it continues to work

prior to that, when ever i would stream or do something, the audio devices on their own would switch but fal'cie

helped me with that yesterday

[vast meadow]

do you have an x570 motherboard?

[crimson bison]

no b550

idk why i went with b550, i found this mobo, liked the amount of usbs and things it had, saw reviews saying it was like the best b550, so i bought it

[vast meadow]

hmm idk why that would happen then, maybe try updating bios

[crimson bison]

did that yesterday

to fix the issue of streaming and other things

fal'cie helped with that

[vast meadow]

ahh right

[crimson bison]

i thought it was a psu issue, but apparently not

[vast meadow]

nah

[crimson bison]

i saved my psu pretty early on after watching a linus vid, and was like, "wait, i swear i f^&cked up the same way." and realized i did

put the fan towards the inside of the case, suffocating it in between the inside of the case and the back of the case, rather than flipping the fan where i have vents in the back of the case for air flow to move.

[vast meadow]

It was probs fine lol

[supple sedge]

am I supposed to use cpu_fan or cpu_opt for my aio?

[hollow thorn]

cpu_fan

for the fans

pump for the pump if possible

[supple sedge]

its an arctic liquid freeze 360 argb idk if there's a pump one

there's the argb cable and then the other one

[limber dragon]

it doesnt matter, just set the header that the pump is on to max rpm, unless you have an arctic LF II, where it sets pump speed to max 24/7

[shy wyvern]

is it possible to pass a 4 hour run of prime 95 and still fail to run games?

like

I'm crashing in a bunch of games and I'm fairly certain it's the cpu

Especially for minecraft

[cursive epoch]

yes

it's very much possible

[shy wyvern]

welp maybe no

I'm crashing in every game on stock .-.

[supple sedge]

oh yeah I have the Arctic liquid freeze 2 my bad 😂

[limber dragon]

p95 = power limit tester

you're not going to be hitting high boost clocks with p95, while you will be in games

[naive pendant]

p95 = bruh test

[vernal cosmos]

Arctic liquid freezer ii 360 mm argb is what u have

Arctic freeze isnt a thing

[dense frost]

how many devices do you have connected? does it awlays switch to the same one? Are they all USB, or do you have some connected to your on board audio?

[vast meadow]

What ram oc you running?

[vast meadow]

;-;

[dense frost]

what makes you certain its the CPU?

[hasty isle]

Best b550 motherboard for F4-3600C18D-16GTZN and Ryzen 3 3300X? compatability wise, thank you

[vast meadow]

Do you already have the 3300x and the 3600cl18 ram?

[hasty isle]

Yes I do have the both hardwares

[vast meadow]

Ahh okay, I'd go with b550m pro vdh (wifi) then

[pastel monolith]

I like the Asus tuf gaming 550m plus (wifi)

[vast meadow]

Tuf is nice too but pro vdh is a lot cheaper

[pastel monolith]

and the Asrock Phantom b550

[pastel monolith]

if its a lot cheaper I would go with that

[vast meadow]

About 30-40$ or so

[hasty isle]

Really had the worst case of the year ngl

Since march i've been experiencing bsod randomly

[vast meadow]

Most likely not motherboard related

@hasty isle what bsod where you getting?

[pastel monolith]

and since march have you reinstalled windows?

[hasty isle]

Irql not less or equal, DPC watchdog violation, KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED, SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED_M, PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

[hasty isle]

I have already re-installed windows more than 5x

[vast meadow]

Can you go into bios and send a picture of your ram page?

[hasty isle]

Of course, will do it now

[pastel monolith]

I am going to guess failing hard drive although could be lack of ram/faulty ram or paged cache

[vast meadow]

Could also be wonky driver

Okay so not ram

Btw for performance sake i would turn on xmp

[pastel monolith]

but you would think 5x windows installs would correct driver but it could still be driver

[vast meadow]

Yeah

[hasty isle]

I would but for the moment i turned it off, now i can enable it again

[vast meadow]

First thing I'd do is this actually
General fix for random windows problems

From an admin command prompt or powershell, run:

sfc /scannow

If that doesn't work, try:

dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

Then, try running sfc again.
Repeat as necessary

[hasty isle]

Oh btw my gpu is gtx 750 (yeah too old)

[vast meadow]

Are you on the latest gpu driver?

[pastel monolith]

is it a laptop?

[vast meadow]

It's not

[cursive epoch]

hmm

well it's not too old when it's still gettin latest drivers

[pastel monolith]

strange that there is 1.2v ram thats not in a laptop

[vast meadow]

It's just running jedec tho, that's normal

Jedec is 1.2v

[hasty isle]

Yes I am

[vast meadow]

Okay then I'd go settings -> update -> advanced -> allow Microsoft to update drivers or something (top option) then check for updates

Then download your chipset drivers

And audio and ethernet drivers from your motherboards website

[hasty isle]

Already updated and dl drivers from my motherboards website

[vast meadow]

Can you open up event viewer then?

[hasty isle]

What to do next

[vast meadow]

Can you send a pic?

[hasty isle]

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

Uhh what's that lol

[hasty isle]

Oh wait what pic i would send

[vast meadow]

Just of even viewer

[vast meadow]

Can you press + on critical

And click into the error and send a pic

[pastel monolith]

the save file was fine

its the hard drive

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[vast meadow]

I'm on mobile so couldn't view

[hasty isle]

Really? I have 500gb hdd way back from 2015 i think in hdsentinel its health is 100%

and I have WD Red 3tb

[vast meadow]

Hdsentinel?

Use crystal disk info/hwinfo 64 to read health of drive

[hasty isle]

Will dl and send it here

[pastel monolith]

just lots of timeouts from the c drive is what most of the errors are

[hasty isle]

My nvme? holy smokes that's new

[pastel monolith]

so it doesnt have to be the c drive per say it could be the other one(s) causing the issue

[hasty isle]

this is according to hwinfo64

[pastel monolith]

when you reinstalled windows did you format the nvme?

[vast meadow]

Can you open sensors instead

[hasty isle]

Okay wait a sec

What sensor specifically should i pic?

[pastel monolith]

63 bluescreens would be really annoying

20% of errors are caused by Windows System Files damage

[hasty isle]

Super Annoying

[pastel monolith]

which makes think windows reinstall first, reformat hard drive second, and replace hard drive third.

[hasty isle]

Will probably remove the 3rd hard drive (500gb) one for good

[pastel monolith]

might try unplugging the other 2 drives and see if the issue persists with only the nvme in there

[hasty isle]

Okay will try that after my classes are done, what will happen if bsod occurs even the other drives are unplugged?

[pastel monolith]

we need to run ChKDsK on the nvme

and if that didnt work reformat nvme and reinstall windows, and if that doesnt work replace nvme

[hasty isle]

Just to be clear, in re-installing windows that's where you use a Bootable media like flashdrive , right?

[vast meadow]

Yes

@hasty isle make sure you unplug all other drives when installing windows btw

[misty obsidian]

any DDR5 coming to newegg soon ?

[vernal cosmos]

I mean it gets sold out fast

[misty obsidian]

https://www.newegg.ca/p/pl?N=100007610 601396890

canadian site has only 1 type

which I wouldn't buy even if it was in stock

[cursive epoch]

oof

[vast meadow]

That price for jedec 😭

[subtle crow]

The i9-12900k is already being scalped

Just showed up on newegg for nearly a thousand dollars

[vast meadow]

Yikes

[finite elm]

Ewww

[cursive epoch]

Also saw ddr5 being scalped

Sold by some chinese guy

1.1k for 32 gigs 5200mhz kit of dominator rgb

[finite elm]

Why the heck is my Amazon in Spanish

[pastel monolith]

12900KF can be found for close to msrp

[finite elm]

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i9-12900KF-Desktop-Processor-Unlocked/dp/B09FWYK5M9/

You can order it from Amazon here. Sold and shipped by Amazon.

676 is such a weird price

[pastel monolith]

lol yeah thats why I said "close"

[finite elm]

Damn amazon is scalping too?

[pastel monolith]

apparently light scalping is ok

[vernal cosmos]

Nilboggen active today

Strange

[pastel monolith]

12900kf msrp is $589.99 yeah I'm back LOL

[vernal cosmos]

Nice

Back to stay i hoope

Hpe

Hope

[pastel monolith]

yeah I was out of country and dont stay active on discord unless at home

[vernal cosmos]

I see

[hollow thorn]

The return of Nilboggen

[pastel monolith]

why do we have unhappy faces now?

because of Naed and Hei? LOL

[hollow thorn]

I mean, they're not that unhappy :P
It's just the sad face of BSODs

[pastel monolith]

LOL

they should make more positive bsod's too

[hollow thorn]

We have both images as emojis

[hollow thorn]

Can't have that, it's windows afterall, there's always SOMETHING

[pastel monolith]

lol too true

[hollow thorn]

Even if it says no updates pending, there's probably some 'optional security update' or something

or just a crap ton of WHEAs in the backgrund

[vast meadow]

That would be very Windows, nothing wrong, we just turned off pc to say all okay

[hasty isle]

Hello @vast meadow I'm now facing a new bsod code the Attempted Write to Readonly Memory

[cursive epoch]

Unstable ram

It's no driver issue at this point

[vast meadow]

https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/how-to-test-ram follow this

[hasty isle]

Oh wow bnew ram is unstable well that's unfortunate

[cursive epoch]

rma is possible if it's really unstable

do what pato told ya first

[hasty isle]

Apparently, i've tested my ram with memtest86 before I fully used it, it has 4 passes tho didnt take a pic, i tested it earlier

[vast meadow]

I'd try it again

[hasty isle]

Okay okay, will update u after the test

[pastel monolith]

I still think its the hard drive

[vernal cosmos]

You can get that bsod from page file

It very well could be a drive

[pastel monolith]

well that and he sent a save file from from event viewer and they were all what I would consider hard drive issues

[vernal cosmos]

Can you install and run whocrashed

[hasty isle]

I remove already the old hdd

[vernal cosmos]

https://www.resplendence.com/whocrashed_os

Download and run that

https://www.resplendence.com/downloads

Whocrashed

[pastel monolith]

@hasty isle I know but that doesnt mean there arent corrupted files on the nvme

[hasty isle]

Here is the latest bsod codes

[hasty isle]

I'll try the nvme. i only tested my 3tb first

[pastel monolith]

you will notice that they both say typically a software driver bug not hardware

[vernal cosmos]

Run that

[hasty isle]

Is this safe?

[vernal cosmos]

Yes it is

Ive written it myself

[hasty isle]

Okay okay will do it now

[hollow thorn]

You can read the file if you want

[vernal cosmos]

^

Open with notepad

[hollow thorn]

Discord also has the preview thing now

[hasty isle]

is it normal to be stuck at 25% for 5 mins?

[hollow thorn]

sfc can take a bit

[hasty isle]

Here's the result @vernal cosmos

[main pulsar]

look fine to me

[vernal cosmos]

Scroll up

Results from sfc not visible

[main pulsar]

oh thats dism lol

wait if dism ran then doesnt that infer that sfc found errors? or did someone tell hit to run it specifically

oh it was a batch file :P

[hasty isle]

it didn't find any corruption

[vernal cosmos]

Press 2 then

[hasty isle]

Done, I'll do the memtest86 if it passed then Storage next

In my PC the only hardware that is old is the GPU, and HDD (500gb) about 2014

[pastel monolith]

@hasty isle and you are sure that when you did the 5 windows reinstalls that you formatted the drive windows was going on?

[hasty isle]

wdym? am I suppose to formatted the drive from another pc? and install a new one there? I'm genuinely confused right now, sorry 😦

[pastel monolith]

so the errors you are getting all involve corrupted windows system files and drivers the most likely issue is the windows install itself. You said that you had already reinstalled windows 5 times. You do not have to do a clean install when you reinstall but you should and I am asking if when you reinstalled windows if you formatted the drive and did a fresh install

[hasty isle]

The way im doing is formatting it first, then deleting the partition then press new to get the partition, is that wrong?

[pastel monolith]

nope thats perfect

and you did try this with all the other drives disconnected except for the nvme right?

not the windows install but just seeing if you got errors with only the 1 drive functioning

[hasty isle]

Yes I did

[pastel monolith]

and thats when you got the most recent bsod memory error?

[hasty isle]

oh and btw I was told that something is up when my cpu temp reaches at 61C by just doing light stuff or at idle

[hasty isle]

Yes, i got the bsod memory error

[pastel monolith]

windows 10?

[hasty isle]

Yes, I cant install win 11 because according to amd's website ryzen 3 3300x is not compatible with win 11 yet

[pastel monolith]

so this is a r3 3300x 16g of 3600 cl18 a gt750 1 nvme ssd and 2 hdds?

[shy wyvern]

200 and cl+1. One I know is stable and will mess with later.

[shy wyvern]

This didn't start happening until I put my 12600k. My 8600k was running everything fine.

[hasty isle]

yes, you are correct and an cougar gex 850w 80+ gold

[shy wyvern]

I also crash at stock ram speed Pato

[vast meadow]

Did you test it with test mem 5 Extreme anta yet

[shy wyvern]

Yeah

This is one I am 100% sure is stable

I also crash at 2133 and the default xmp

Also I love how my blue screens are green

Changes it up a bit

[vast meadow]

Hmm

[shy wyvern]

Yeah idk what it is

Bad motherboard? Bad CPU? Windows deciding it'd be funny to mess with me?

[pastel monolith]

@hasty isle just shooting from the hip here but is your memory in the right slots A2 and B2?

[hasty isle]

Yes, it's in the correct slots

[pastel monolith]

@hasty isleand did you enable the docp/xmp in bios to correct memory speeds/timings?

[shy wyvern]

I'm losing my mind here.

[pastel monolith]

maybe that memory doesnt like being so slow

[shy wyvern]

Okay so I'm running my CPU at stock. 85°C boosting for things like cinebench. Know it's not power because p95 isn't crashing. What is causing everything to crash

[hasty isle]

I already enabled my xmp profile, i really have no experience in doing it manually 😦

[shy wyvern]

I have also taken out my GPU and used my integrated and still blue screen in Minecraft with randomly

And everytime it's a new crash code

Sfc and dism have found nothing

Trying to avoid reinstalling windows because then I need to go install 6TB of games again

[pastel monolith]

@hasty isledoes the memory show as 3600 in bios now?

@shy wyvern lol changes cpu and mobo and doesnt reinstall windows....

[shy wyvern]

I have never done a window reinstall for that

Never.

It's always worked

[hasty isle]

Yes it is

[pastel monolith]

thats madness lol

[silent folio]

Are there any mobos out there that support DDR4 and ddr5 currently

[pastel monolith]

you have been very lucky@shy wyvern

[shy wyvern]

So I'm going to get charged an extra $290 on my internet bill this much for going over my data cap lol

I gotta reinstall everything since most my games are windows store apps

[vast meadow]

Always reinstall windows when switching chipsets

[shy wyvern]

RIP my 3TB data cap

Gonna have to go tell my dad I'm blowing through it this month

Idek why we need data caps

[pastel monolith]

@shy wyvern I mean how big is your windows drive?? you dont have to reinstall things on other drives it will path to them

[shy wyvern]

You can't keep windows apps between installs

It's a known issue with windows

[pastel monolith]

you most certainly can

[shy wyvern]

I buy most my games through the Xbox store because of Xbox gift card exploits

[vast meadow]

You have a data cap? Also windows media creation tool is only like 150mb or something

[shy wyvern]

Nope. I've been down here before. You do it and show me. Plug in a second drive. It locks you out, you don't have permission. Take ownership doesn't make the system recognize the apps

[shy wyvern]

I have every PC game I own installed is why, I'm not going to go without my games silly

I like being able to just boot up any game I feel like

[pastel monolith]

my steam libraries on mulitple drives have survived multiple windows clean reinstalls and never had an issue

[vast meadow]

Right, well you can always just install them as you want to play and then do rest next month, all your stream games you can transfer over

[shy wyvern]

Steam and epic games are fine. Xbox isn't

XBox uses the windows store

I buy my games through the windows store because I get $50 for around $15 with secret currency conversion nonsense and also lots of gamepass games

[naive pendant]

I dont think that's usually necessary these days. Windows 10 takes care of the driver and hardware changes itself

[shy wyvern]

I can keep my steam and epic game libraries

That's fine

XBox app games I cannot. You can't transfer Microsoft store applications between installs

[pastel monolith]

that might be true for windows store

[naive pendant]

@pastel monolith send me a source

id like to read up on that if it's true

[shy wyvern]

My steam and epic game libraries I can keep no problem. But I have at least 5TB in windows store apps since I buy my games through Xbox

[pastel monolith]

Every single techie here will tell you to reinstall windows if you change chipsets it just leaves a lot of useless and conflicting drivers in the system files

[vast meadow]

It definitely is, you get unexplainable bugs i didn't do this when i moved to my 3600 was getting a few weird glitches that got fixed after i installed

[naive pendant]

thats not really what i asked

[hasty isle]

@pastel monolith did i ever mention to you that before i got my 3600mhz kit, I have 2 kits of 3200mhz yet still experiencing bsod?

[pastel monolith]

@naive pendant Well I don't care enough to prove it to you so you can take my word for it or do some googling

[shy wyvern]

Why does Comcast charge $150 extra a month to remove the data cap?

My internet plan costs $80 a month for 1.2gb/s down

But their data caps are ridiculous

[naive pendant]

okay, so dont go around like you're 100% right if you cant even be bothered to try proving it?

seems kinda odd.

[shy wyvern]

Why I believe you guys far has a point. I didn't think you even needed to reinstall windows 10/11 until now. Not everyone is as trusting

[naive pendant]

i guess you can reinstall windows if you wanna be extra sure to eliminate variables that could cause instability

[sweet urchin]

is a mobo with a TPM 2.0 in it that costs $89 brand new worth it?

[naive pendant]

i just dont find it a necessity

[shy wyvern]

Don't think it's necessary, think it's just recommended.

Because I've ran windows 10/11 lots on hardware upgrades

[vast meadow]

It's a pretty well known issue

[naive pendant]

then why does it seem so hard for one of you two to send me a link or something so i can read about it lol

[vast meadow]

Probs because they'll just google it then send you the link lol

[vast meadow]

You think it works perfectly til you get weird glitches like, when i launched Minecraft with discord 1 day it went to like 2fps and discord went all roboty and yes i resinstalled discord and Minecraft and all my drivers again, nothing worked til i remembered i never reinstalled when i moved from my old cpu to new one

[pastel monolith]

I did look for an article and can't find anything other than forums where it seems to be considered best practice although it is possible to not but it requires a lot of driver clean up

[naive pendant]

not in my experience, and i had never heard of people having to reinstall windows which switching chipsets ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vast meadow]

Ahem

[naive pendant]

Ahem

lol

[pastel monolith]

And in my experience I have never heard of someone switching chipsets without reinstalling

[naive pendant]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vast meadow]

You might get away with it but you can't say it's not something that causes problems

Just because you have never experienced it :p

[naive pendant]

well, this is basically what you two are basing what you think off of

[pastel monolith]

Well you dont ever have to get your oil changed in your car either but you should

[vast meadow]

I literally eliminated every other variable

[naive pendant]

completely different situation but ok

[naive pendant]

did you? lol

[vast meadow]

Yes

Only reinstall fixed

[naive pendant]

so basically it could have been something other than a chipset related issue, because the troubleshoot step you took was a general, wide-sweeping one that could have been the solution to another problem.

[vast meadow]

Updated every driver, uninstalled and reinstalled the programs(was also getting other things but this was most noticeable as pc would run at like 2 fps) like everything

[pastel monolith]

@naive pendant I mean I agree with you that a windows reinstall is just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks as opposed to going through each individual windows system file and deleting and replacing what's not supposed to be there or corrupted but at the end of the day the windows reinstall is faster

[naive pendant]

assuming it's necessary to begin with.

[vast meadow]

No i tried after each driver update

[naive pendant]

but whatever you say man, i just wanted to read up on something I thought i didnt know about

[keen inlet]

yo, i'm currently running i5 6600k and having trouble running background tasks like discord or web browser, so i thought about upgrading to 6700k. Will hyperthreading really help, considering my cpu usage is maxed out in a lot of games?

[pastel monolith]

sure assuming its necessary

you can switch out an amd card for an nvidia card without using ddu too but you shouldnt

[vast meadow]

I'd just get a new cpu and motherboard and possibly new ram depending on what ram you have in that system

[keen inlet]

i have ddr4 2666hz

[vast meadow]

@naive pendant i mean i thought it was fine, had no problems for over a year

[keen inlet]

buying a new cpu and a new mobo is a lot more expensive than buying a used 6700k, considering i already have a compatible mobo

[vast meadow]

I'd just upgrade cpu motherboard, and ram later(if you have to for budget Reasons)

[vast meadow]

Yeah but there's a way bigger performance difference

[keen inlet]

i don't really care about a huge performance difference, because i won't have enough money to buy a better gpu to utilize that performance

[vast meadow]

And you'd Also have to find someone 2nd hand selling a 6700k(which would be a bad choice anyway, if you wanted to stick with the same motherboard then at least go 7700k if your motherboard can handle it

[vast meadow]

What gpu you have?

[keen inlet]

i just need my cpu to be able to handle background tasks while i'm playing

[keen inlet]

1060

[vast meadow]

Fair, I'd aim for 7700k still then

Used ofc

[keen inlet]

right, for example, while playing tarkov, my pc is completely unusable

[pastel monolith]

@naive pendant I also feel like if you would rather go through each system file with @shy wyvern and find the ones that are conflicting you are welcome to do so and then he/she won't have to reinstall windows and we'll stop telling people to reinstall and have them DM you

[keen inlet]

i've looked at 6700k vs 7700k benchmarks, and they are practically the same

[naive pendant]

not sure why you're bringing that up again, but okay? seems like you're just nitpicking now

[vast meadow]

What benchmarks?

[keen inlet]

Bitwit

[naive pendant]

awesomesauce network

[shy wyvern]

LOL

I need to disconnect my download drive before reinstall though

It has all my important files on it and my backup is on a drive I'm wiping

And I don't trust windows keep files

I got files from 2007 on there

[vast meadow]

Btw far tried to look for an article they're all just basic guide type articles on what to do if your license locks to your mobo but there will be some forums if you look through them

[vast meadow]

I definitely would, windows might try to put the bootloader on your hdd

[vast meadow]

Okay fair enough i just looked at benchmarks again, can't believe they're still only 4 cores at 7th gen tho

[hasty isle]

is it possible that i have nvme drive issues, that's why im getting bsod?

[keen inlet]

6700k/7700k is still higher clock frequency, so it might be worth upgrading

[vast meadow]

Most likely the hdd but possibly the ssd too

[vast meadow]

Either one you can get cheaper, there's not much of a difference from what i can see, but i really can't recommend spending over 150 usd on either

[hasty isle]

What's the software for testing ssd drives?

[dim cloak]

crystal disk mark

[vast meadow]

Open cmd as admin the type :
chkdsk C: /r

Then do the same with D: /r

Until you go through all your drives

[hasty isle]

I thought chkdsk is a long process, why did i boot already

Oh nvm

[shy wyvern]

Never had that issue, but I've had issues where reinstalling screws with all drives currently installed

[vast meadow]

Usually only if windows is already on another drive but yeah

[shy wyvern]

I'mma factory reset all my drives

The only thing important is my 160GB download folder

[vast meadow]

Just your main drive is dine

[shy wyvern]

So I'mma disconnect that

[shy wyvern]

I have windows apps on all the other one and I'm not troubleshooting windows locking me out of folders again

That's pretty much all that's on all my other drives

Is just applications/games

All my files are on one drive

With a backup of that drive on my 8TB HDD

Incase my download HDD goes bad

[vast meadow]

Fair enough

[shy wyvern]

Windows hates having multiple windows app folders

And doesn't let you delete them without a bunch of permission nonsense

[warm bolt]

So why do people get idk quad channels mobos over dual if only two actually work bc of daisy chaining? Like why get a 4 channel in the first place? Wouldn't a dual channel look cleaner if you just buy a dual channel in the first place?

[shy wyvern]

4 sticks allow me to run single rank sticks in dual rank mode

https://youtu.be/-UkGu6A-6sQ

For example with Ryzen having 2 dual rank dimms or 4 single rank dimms will give you a decent performance bump

Over 2 single rank dimms

[vast meadow]

Expandability, 2 stick mobos are usually itx or overclocking motherboards which are like 250+

[hollow thorn]

you talking quad channel motherboard or 4 dimm motherboard?

[vast meadow]

Think so

[shy wyvern]

4 dimms I think

[vast meadow]

Also 4 sticks will guarantee dual rank

[hollow thorn]

because quad channel motherboard would mean like

[shy wyvern]

Only HEDT platforms and servers currently support quad channel

[main pulsar]

no consumer platforms are quad channel

[hollow thorn]

but yea

[shy wyvern]

^

My ram sticks are all single rank, but using all 4 slots gives me dual rank dual channel

[main pulsar]

two ranks per channel

[hollow thorn]

mhm

[main pulsar]

which makes up one bank per channel?

i think

[vast meadow]

While usually 16gb sticks ars usually dual rank but sometimes they're single rank so suppose there's that too

[main pulsar]

most common ddr4 uses 8gbit ICs

[shy wyvern]

Whoever tf makes a single rank 16GB stick is sadistic

[main pulsar]

so typically yeah

[hollow thorn]

lots of 16gbit dies though

[shy wyvern]

That's disgusting

Imagine needing 64GB of ram to run dual rank

[main pulsar]

but it allows for 32gb per dimm

[hollow thorn]

There's 16gbit rev b, 16gbit cjr, 16gbit mjr, 16gbit rev e

[main pulsar]

amd is unique in performance gains with 2 ranks per channel i think

the ram and cpu industries are seperate

in most cases, 4x8gb will consist of 4 ranks of memory

in the case of ddr4

[shy wyvern]

Doesn't it have to consist of 4 ranks?

Like even single rank dimms will runk in dual channel and dual rank

[sweet urchin]

@stiff kraken Give me one reason why it's a scam

and i'm still on this conversation

[stiff kraken]

lol you really pinged me again in a channel completely unrelated to graphics cards

like i said, you're too far gone

i have nothing more to say to you

if you think $80 1660 super is legit then just buy it

[vast meadow]

They not listening, just looking for someone to echo chamber with/agree so they can give out to when they get scammed

[stiff kraken]

100%

[rocky beacon]

Because this is how much they are selling for

No way in hell is a $80 1660 Super is legit

[stiff kraken]

don't bother wasting your time

[rocky beacon]

MSRP was $229

[stiff kraken]

he's been told by like 8 people

he's just too far gone

let him believe what he wants

it's his money to throw away

[shy wyvern]

Everyone told me that a $225 2060 was a scam 6 months after launch tbf

And it wasn't

[stiff kraken]

bottom tier 2060 model for 75% msrp during a time with no graphics card shortage

vs. 1660 super for 35% msrp during a time where they easily sell for 200% msrp

not even remotely the same situation

[shy wyvern]

Uhm $350 msrp

But that model was $380

So that's 60% MSRP 6 months after launch

Not saying it isn't a scam

[stiff kraken]

msrp of the 2060 was dropped to $299 to compete against the 5600XT

[bronze summit]

The shortage has affected people more then we know

[stiff kraken]

doesn't matter anyways, not sure what you are trying to argue here

[finite elm]

also to make room for the 2060 super at 399

[stiff kraken]

are you just trying to flex?

[shy wyvern]

When I bought it it was still $350. I'm not saying it's not a scam, I'm saying the fact everyone always screams scam at good deals

Makes it so people will never listen

Until they get scammed

[stiff kraken]

lol ok

this is not even close to the same thing

its like a $58 2060

you think a $58 2060 would be a "good deal"?

[bronze summit]

Nope

[stiff kraken]

$58 2060 is the same ratio to original msrp as this 1660 super he's talking about compared to market value

you're telling us unicorns are real because you saw a horse

[finite elm]

Cheapest 1660 Super I saw was 309.99 and it was at a gamestop lol

[bronze summit]

Yes they do smh

[main pulsar]

single rank dimms are single rank. one single rank dimm on one channel yeilds one rank on one channel

[stiff kraken]

gamestop the new microcenter 😳

[shy wyvern]

Yeah WTF

My local one had a (absurdly priced) 3070ti

It was used

But I was just like ???

[finite elm]

They don't have a good selection of components. Most of their Components were Cooler Master. Case, Coolers, Fans, etc. Then they had An EVGA 1660 Super. and 2 Asus Mobo's.

[stiff kraken]

tbf microcenter doesn't have a very good selection of coolers/ram/ssds/fans/etc either

at least not the ones in cali or texas

barely managed to save my friend from buying c*rsair vengeance

he was in the checkout line 😭

[finite elm]

I went to microcenter in MN for a CPU and I bought a GPU I didn't need

[stiff kraken]

nah, you needed it

top percentage gpu 😌

[finite elm]

well I already had a 3080 ti and a 3090. But now I also have a 3060 ti

[stiff kraken]

ah

top percentage wallet 😌

6IV shiny +nature wallet for sure

[vast meadow]

If i can sell an r9 380 4gb for the price i bought it for, yeah no lol

[bronze summit]

I do have a question

So

Ryzen like 4 or 2 sticks

[bronze summit]

I saw this

Okay I'm just gonna say it doesn't matter

:P

[hasty isle]

Does the notskrnl.exe and ntkmlmp.exe due to cpu problem?

[shy wyvern]

Eh, you're right. 8-10% performance isn't enough to be that worried about

Just better if you can do 2 ranks per channel, if you can't it's not that much of a deal breaker

[bronze summit]

Im upgrading my ram and it's ginna be 4 sticks

[restive minnow]

Sigh....why does NewEgg allow scalping like this?

and from such a reputable seller at that

[grizzled bloom]

You can report third party sellers that scalp to [e-mail] and they'll get taken down

It's against ToS so it's not allowed, just hard to police everything

[restive minnow]

Did it. Thanks Fal'Cie

[shy wyvern]

Woah my motherboard supports hotswapping sata drives??

I didn't know that was a thing!

[vast meadow]

Interesting

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, you just need to enable it. It's on most consumer boards, and you can usually pick specific ports to enable.

I'd advise against it usually, just because the sata port can hot swap doesn't mean the psu can. I shorted a drive out testing that.

[shy wyvern]

I'm not going to

Just found it interesting because I didn't think the standard allowed for it

I thought sata was a you have to reboot to change the connected drives

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, there's some cases that have hot swap bays you can just pop open

[shy wyvern]

That's incredible

[severe pivot]

I just have a single 32gb stick /s

[vast meadow]

[severe pivot]

Pato btw. I'm waiting on a shipment for an 11th gen mobo. Then imma take it all apart to see if that fixes it

[vast meadow]

Good luck

[shy wyvern]

There unironically people like this

my cl22 2133mhz single rank 32GB stick is enough

[warm bolt]

Did I just miss a DDR5 drop or did they just drop the price by $10?

[wind karma]

what's my best bet for upgrading my cpu for BF2042?

currently have a 3600x which is bottlenecking my 3060ti hard at 1080p 144hz

im guessing 5600x would be my best bet but open to other suggestions

[cursive epoch]

I say wait for zen 3 refresh

[wind karma]

should I be worried about that new crypto that mines using cpus?

[cursive epoch]

No

It's only hitting the 5900X mainly due to the big cache it has

[wind karma]

ah ok

[naive pendant]

facts

[hollow thorn]

single rank 32gb stick, damn

[hoary echo]

no bottleneck here

[shy wyvern]

Btw 5950x are bottle necking in this game with 1660 supers. You're going to have an issue no matter what

There is currently no CPU that will allow you to get consistent 100% gpu usage it seems

It's very very poor optimization. The game is broken

@vast meadow (sorry for ping), opinion on a 2x8 ddr4 4400 kit (cl15) for $70 (used)?

Nvm it's cl15 for 3000, cl19 for 4400

Kinda deceiving advertising from patriot calling it ddr4 4400 cl15 LOL

I'm still interested in buying, seems like a decent upgrade over my potato 3000 cl16

[restive minnow]

Any chance NewEgg and others are just bogarting their DDR5 for Black Friday sales? sniffle

[hasty isle]

Solutions for Unexpected kernel mode trap?

[vast meadow]

Looks decent

[vast meadow]

Doubt

[shy wyvern]

The odds of that are the same odds nintendo is discounting the nintendo switch for black friday

[hoary echo]

is there any way i can make my 10300h less toasty but keep gaming pretty well

[shy wyvern]

Have you tried to repaste it with a premium thermal paste?

[grizzled bloom]

Undervolt with throttlestop

[vast meadow]

Or XTU if throttlestop doesn't work

[hoary echo]

have tried them both and they dont work

i might repaste it sooner or later

[vast meadow]

Liquid metal repaste if you feel comfortable with it

[shy wyvern]

I have done a decent amount of liquid metal but hell no I'm never doing a laptop with liquid metal

[vast meadow]

Lol not something i would recommend for beginners anyway need to be pretty careful

Liquid metal is too much for you, thermal grizzly paste probs next bet

[grizzled bloom]

Conductonaut OP for air cooling
Kryonaut for liquid

AMD is finally, officially enabling support for 5000 series on 300 chipsets as low as A320. Not that I recommend that.

[vast meadow]

Oh god that's gonna be a mess

[dense frost]

lemme stick a 5950x on this bad boy. im sure that vrm will be fine

heatsinks are for weaklings

[vernal cosmos]

Itll run

[dense frost]

*walk

[grizzled bloom]

Joking aside you could probably set all core speed down and a low voltage and it'd be fine. Not optimal of course, but workable.

[vernal cosmos]

Nah the vrms will run away

Thats what I meant

Vrms like heck nah

[dense frost]

ah 🤣

[vernal cosmos]

@vast meadow go run a 5950x on ur mobo

[vast meadow]

Mine aint that bad xD

[vernal cosmos]

Its like bottom tier b450

What u on about

[vast meadow]

Mine has a heatsink at least

[vast meadow]

Not as bad as one above

[vernal cosmos]

DEbatable

Heatsyncs are unecessary on vrms for the most part anyway

[vast meadow]

No they're unnecessary on better vrms

[vernal cosmos]

Yes but not like ur gonna run high power draw components on bad board anyway

[vast meadow]

Yeah but the worse vrms give off more heat

[vernal cosmos]

Low power draw = low heat

[vast meadow]

Yes but what I'm tryna say is heatsinks are more required on low end boards because they're less efficient like

[vernal cosmos]

Yes but low efficiency doesnt matter too much if you dont pass enough current through it

[vast meadow]

Some b560s failing to run 11400

[vernal cosmos]

Putting some decent heatsyncs on those vrms wont do much to fix it tho

[vast meadow]

They failed cuz overheating usually

[vernal cosmos]

Hmmm

Makes sense

But still

Heatsyncs are more important on bad vrms than great ones is true

O wait

Im dumdum

Efficiency is inversely proportionate to heat

[vast meadow]

[vernal cosmos]

The hotter a vrm gets the less efficient it is

Im not a dumdum about that

Am i?

Wait

Uve made me doubt myself

[vast meadow]

Less efficient means more heat

[vernal cosmos]

Nah nah nah

The efficiency of the vrm is higher at 20C than it would be at like 80C

The hotter the component gets the less efficient it becomes

[vast meadow]

Yes

[vernal cosmos]

Thats what I was saying

Dumdum

[vast meadow]

And i agreed ye just said it other way

[vernal cosmos]

The thinkies emoji threw me off

[vast meadow]

Ahh

@vernal cosmos btw my board has a 4+3 vrm so it's not that bad lol

Not good but not terrible

[vernal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-smell-spongebob-squarepants-trendizisst-gif-17793287

[vast meadow]

Shup mr x570 elite or pro or something

[dense frost]

what board you got Pato?

[vernal cosmos]

Ive got twinned 7 phases

Hehe

[vast meadow]

B450 ds3h

[vast meadow]

Shup

[vernal cosmos]

Ur just jealous

[vast meadow]

Noooo

https://tenor.com/view/crying-running-cry-run-leave-me-alone-gif-15980100

[vernal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-liar-liar-pants-on-fire-point-gif-22079530

[vast meadow]

:/

[dense frost]

what freakin beast mobo do you have?

[vernal cosmos]

X570 aorus elite wifi

[dense frost]

wowsers

[vernal cosmos]

Its not a beast tbh

Id call it midrange

Or upper midrange

A beast is the b550 aorus master

[devout moth]

moumit_biswas#1734 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

moumit_biswas#1734 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[devout moth]

xXDarkaizXx#1270 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

xXDarkaizXx#1270 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[naive pendant]

[zenith matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-cpu-kill-gif-22236310

[hoary echo]

https://tenor.com/view/thermal-paste-mother-board-cpu-gif-17616659

[hoary echo]

i wonder how many infractions i have for bad language

gotta be a decent amount

[plain vortex]

Hi, all Asus Tuf X570-plus bios versions are compatible with the 3700x right?

[vast meadow]

Yes but i wouldn't buy either of them in 2021

[atomic kestrel]

Good evening all !
just purchased a "Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD". Can I install it on the M2P_CPU slot of my Gigabyte Z590 ud ac mobo ?

[vast meadow]

what cpu do you have?

[plain vortex]

Thank you, is that my friend wants to update his bios to fix the usb bug on those chipsets

[atomic kestrel]

intel i7 rocket lake

[vast meadow]

Ahh yeah

[vast meadow]

11th gen? I can never remember the lake names

[plain vortex]

And see if it fixes something else and enable SAM on his 3070

[vast meadow]

I wouldn't

[atomic kestrel]

yes 11th gen

[vast meadow]

Ahh yeah then any slot

[vast meadow]

Resistable bar in most cases results in performance loss

[plain vortex]

Oh really, then I'll turn it off then lol

I already have it on

And tell him to leave it off

[atomic kestrel]

I think the M2P_CPU slot can provide optimal performance right?

[plain vortex]

Are there any games where it helps?

Or is it better to just leave it off

[atomic kestrel]

I'm not a gamer at all

I need speed for data access and calulation

[vast meadow]

Few, but majority it will decrease perf

[plain vortex]

Okay then thanks then, Ill just disable it

[vast meadow]

Either it's the same as its a gen 3 ssd

But sure just put it in the top slot

[winged rain]

Hello! I was hoping someone could help me with the RAM aspect of a new build I'm working on.

I'm putting together an i7-12700KF-based system, using DDR4 since DDR5 is unavailable (and not really worth the wait).

With that in mind, I was wondering if I shouldn't try and get some extra speed out of my RAM by skipping the default DDR4-3200 and going to either DDR4-3600 or DDR4-4000 and running an XMP profile on one of them. Thing is, though, is I've never overclocked anything before. Would it be worth the extra expense, or should I just try running an XMP profile on the DDR4-3200 instead?

This is not for a gaming system - it's for a Music Production system.

[grizzled bloom]

What matters more than speed is latency. You can get 3200 cl14 and it'll perform similar to 3600 cl16 or 4200 cl18.
How much memory are you looking for? 32gb for production or are you using more/less?

[winged rain]

I'm looking at 64GB - I use a lot of VST and KONTAKT virtual instruments.

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, I'll dig up a good kit for you. How much are you expecting to spend?

[winged rain]

Hopefully under $350. Don't break my heart. 😉

I've been eyeing G.Skill Ripjaws V RAM.

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/29gQzy/gskill-ripjaws-v-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-64gvk

That'll do nicely. Not the best of the best but it'll get the job done.

[cursive epoch]

4000cl18?

that's not that good for alder lake tbh

but i guess 3200c14 is also as expensive

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, for 64gb the next best under $350 is 3200c15 which is... Meh

[winged rain]

How much is 3200c14?

[grizzled bloom]

$380

[winged rain]

A bit steep.

[grizzled bloom]

It's also ugly as sin https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Vz6qqs/gskill-flare-x-64-gb-4-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c14q-64gfx

[winged rain]

Hold up - I found this: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374087

I don't know if the link I just posted went through.

[cursive epoch]

hm

[grizzled bloom]

14-18-18

[cursive epoch]

secondary and other timings are bad

yeah

[winged rain]

Is the CAS level really going to make that much difference over something overclocked at 4000?

[mild jackal]

You can run 4000 flat 14's with the right board, sticks, and imc

4400c16 is easier and more meta though

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, latency matters much more than frequency. 3200c14 will perform better than 4000c20.

[winged rain]

So, even those sticks of 14-18-18 will work better, then?

[grizzled bloom]

Better than 4000c20 at least but not by much, because the other main timings are bad.

It's also a lot harder to run better memory at larger capacities, but I doubt that 12th gen will have the same issues

[winged rain]

Well, the 4000 you pointed me to is actually 18-22-22. Does that make a difference?

Sorry to get nitpicky. I'm just trying to zero in on the best bang for the buck. I appreciate the help.

[naive pendant]

pfffft who needs MT/s when you have quad channel?

x79 gang.

[grizzled bloom]

I also said when I brought it up it wouldn't be the best possible, but it'll get the job done. Probably the best for the price, and you can tighten the timings a bit to get more performance if you wanted.

[naive pendant]

yea you can usually tighten timings a bit and/or raise clockspeed with most ram kits

[winged rain]

I'm not that bold. If I overclock, I'm going to stick with XMP profiles. Call me chicken all you want. 🙂

[grizzled bloom]

We're here to help if you change your mind of course, but honestly at 64gb under 350 your options are limited.

[winged rain]

I'm willing to expand a bit above $350 if necessary, if the performance is worth it.

Just tell me if the performance would be worth the extra $$$.

[grizzled bloom]

The 3200 14-14-14 kit I linked for $380 is definitely worth it in that case.

I have no doubt you could do a low effort overclock (just raise voltage and frequency) and get it to at least 3600c14

[winged rain]

The 4x16 kit? And I won't take a performance hit for it being 4x16 instead of 2x32?

[grizzled bloom]

Technically yes but mostly only in synthetic benchmarks and very specific loads. The improved latency more than makes up for it.

[winged rain]

Makes sense. I'm swapping it in on my PCPartPicker build now.

And the deed is done. Bumps my build price up to $2657.05. Not a number I wanted to see, but it's going to take someone talking me out of it to get me to change it.

Thank you for the help, everyone! I really do appreciate it. Very much so.

I'm going to go post my build URL over in #building-and-recc-chat , if anyone is interested in seeing what I've whipped up so far. Thanks again for the assistance!

[grizzled bloom]

Happy to help

[cyan hazel]

why r LGA1151 mobo so expensive these days?

[cursive epoch]

Cause they're not made anymore

1151 is old by now

[grizzled bloom]

Gotta go used on those old platforms

[naive pendant]

pop quiz:

list all CPUs supported on the LGA-2011 socket

[grizzled bloom]

There's a website for that https://www.cpu-list.com/lga2011-cpu-list/

[naive pendant]

you failed the quiz.

cite your sources.

plus that list is wrong

it lists the e5 1428L v2 which is a lga 1356 chip

you get a D-

[grizzled bloom]

Blame google then, I didn't exactly look at that much

[naive pendant]

best single stick 16gb laptop mem?

[cursive epoch]

ddr4?

or 3

[naive pendant]

ddr3

@cursive epoch

[cursive epoch]

alright

imma assume it's the us

well at this point i suggest going used lel if possible

[naive pendant]

mhm

[naive pendant]

im trying to future proof for the x250 im gonna buy for when I have money for the upgrades

[cursive epoch]

anything should do tbh as long as the frequency match

[naive pendant]

starting with the screen one cause mfs are saying its life changing

[shy wyvern]

Nothing like running an overclock at 90C under full load

[warm bolt]

Newegg has a bunch more ddr5 listed now. I didn't miss a drop did I?

[grizzled bloom]

They're prepping for the release of new ones

[shy wyvern]

@vast meadow Sorry for ping but you know how my memory was stable with memtest? I don't think it was ever truly stable. Going to stock ram settings has removed my stuttering in every game... It feels suspiciously smooth now lol

[vast meadow]

Good

[shy wyvern]

yeah

like

I don't stutter everytime I turn in minecraft for example

but if I put my ram to old settings

I do

but it passes memtest

so ???

seemingly stable overclocks are weird, they're secretly not stable

[vast meadow]

Test mem 5 extreme anta?

Also didn't you say some weird speed like 3300

[shy wyvern]

Yeah but it passed still

It's so weird

My computer boots faster

Games don't stutter

It's the weirdest thing

Oh actually

I think it could also be thermal issues with the thin aluminum stickers not being enough

[vast meadow]

Maybe it was running 3300mhz in gear 2 instead of gear 1 for stability

[shy wyvern]

Nah

Gear 1 was set I'm pretty sure

Even at 3200

I'm was having this issue

[vast meadow]

Odd

[shy wyvern]

Yeah

Stock speed and my games are smooth

Haven't crashed once in battlefield

My 12600k overclocked to 4.9 again since I know it wasn't the cause

[vast meadow]

Nice, what voltage?

[shy wyvern]

1.255

I'm not messing too much with voltage

It passed.the small p95 thing for 3 hours

That's the limit of my patience

Figured that's enough

Left it running as I went out for dinner

[vast meadow]

And 4.9 is better in games than stock boosting?

[shy wyvern]

So apparently the 12600k and over can't keep their single core turbos on stock without MCE

Draws too much power

[vast meadow]

Mce?

[shy wyvern]

Multicore enhancement

Keep in mind it may also just be MSI and ASUS boards

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[shy wyvern]

Because they both throw so much voltage

For MCE it throws 1.286 volts

I learned that by digging

I'm running all cores at MCE speeds (which is above stock)

At 1.255

[vast meadow]

Is it? I thought it could boost to 5.0 at least?

[shy wyvern]

No not the 12600k without thermal velocity boost

Boost clock is 4.9

For 2 core

4.7 for 4

4.5 for 6

Lower clock speeds, it's a newer process

[shy wyvern]

Intel actually advertises that all 12600ks can hit this number with their one click overclocking

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[shy wyvern]

But from some testing I've seen activating that setting in XTU pushes almost 210 watts

On a 12600k

Which I think is why they don't have it like that on stock

Because they would've gotten clowned on by reviewers

The 12900k pushes that and look at it's wattage

If all the chips can reach a frequency and it's not set to that, you know something fishy is going on

I found that my cooler can't handle anymore than 1.265V

For cinebench kind of all core workloads

And more than 1.255 for prime95

So I can't test the 5ghz thing

[vast meadow]

12900k pulls 413w on a 5.0 oc :D

[shy wyvern]

WTF

there's no way activating the setting in XTU causes that much

Holy crap

Bruh that legit

Overpulls an 8 pin

You have to have a 12/16 pin CPU header

That's ridiculous!

Is that even touching the ecores?

[vast meadow]

No lol that gets it to stress test at like 102c with a liquid freezer

[grizzled bloom]

Imagine needing to upgrade your 850W power supply because your CPU needs 400W

[vast meadow]

Lol, still less than an oc'd 11900k tho

[shy wyvern]

Gonna turn that waste of sand into a waste of glass at those wattages

[grizzled bloom]

Disable thermal protections and watch it melt in real time

[shy wyvern]

Still find it weird

Intel could have went with more power efficient with the 10nm process

Instead they made the CPU bigger, added more cores and shrunk the process

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah they took a complete turn from the norm, but in a way... they had to in order to stay competitive

[shy wyvern]

Wait... how are prebuilts cooling the K skews...

My 200 watt rated air cooler barely does it, so I'm curious

[vast meadow]

Tbf the die is smaller, just more pins

[shy wyvern]

What're they using

[grizzled bloom]

Load up dell.com and find out

[shy wyvern]

Do they have 12th gen processors already?

[vast meadow]

Probs

[shy wyvern]

You mean that warranty selling site?

[vast meadow]

In the alienovens

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/alienware-aurora-r13-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r13-desktop/wdr13aur40h

[shy wyvern]

I don't really need a warranty with a free computer but thx

Okay

Correct me if I'm wrong

But that looks like a 120/140mm AIO

[grizzled bloom]

IS THAT A 120MM

LMFAO

[shy wyvern]

What the actual hecc

Are they doinf

12900KF at stock boosts to 240 watts

The 12600k boosts to 150 watts and that wouldn't even keep that cool!

[grizzled bloom]

Well, we thought Dell couldn't get worse. Glad they proved us wrong.

[shy wyvern]

Found my answer, they're not

[grizzled bloom]

That laugh made my day

[shy wyvern]

Not only that

It's an exhaust AIO

An exhaust 120/140mm AIO for a 240 watt CPU

[grizzled bloom]

💩

[shy wyvern]

....

You're kidding

Like they gave to be joking

[grizzled bloom]

It just gets worse the more you look at that page

[shy wyvern]

You can't call a 120mm radiator on an AIO on a 12900kf a liquid cooler. That's called a kettle cause it's boiling water

[vast meadow]

They put a 120mm aio on the 11900k too

[shy wyvern]

Yeah it hit me that it $70-100 air coolers struggle, prebuilts are going to have fun

[grizzled bloom]

Oh here we go, solves that mystery. I guess it's good after all right?

[shy wyvern]

Gamers Nexus is going to end up 6 feet under in a few months after buying these prebuilts

[grizzled bloom]

It says it's superior, it must be good

[shy wyvern]

Wait

FALCIE LOOK HOW FEW FINS THERE ARE

[grizzled bloom]

I know, it just gets worse

[shy wyvern]

WHAT IS THAT

[grizzled bloom]

You can see right through it lmfao

[shy wyvern]

That's not a radiator that's a heat prison

Literally bars

WTF am I looking at

That thing can't even cool a 10105F

[grizzled bloom]

750W with a 3080 and 12900k

TBF it'll never hit that wattage because it'll thermal throttle

[shy wyvern]

How much you wanna bet the PSU has stronger cooling than the AIO

[grizzled bloom]

Oh and of course it's using the same Dell software that GN so kindly pointed out used 30% of cpu resources

[shy wyvern]

I disabled it on my Dell G3

The difference was outstanding

[grizzled bloom]

I love how the only game they're advertising on this is PUBG, for a $4000 PC

[shy wyvern]

PUBG runs on a 10105F and 1060 3GB pretty well...

I'm dying laughing from Amazon's summary for coolers WTF

Some coolers have ram listed

#old-cooling for funny

[grizzled bloom]

Amazon listings are always screwy, they're often copy/pasted

[shy wyvern]

Someone in another tech discord asked if there was adapting kits for the 212 Evo for lga 1700 and someone sarcastically said that 12th gen Intel needs at least 2GB of ram and posted the picture of the summary lol

[grizzled bloom]

Wow even if you upgrade to the 3090 you still only get the 750W

[shy wyvern]

Who TF thinks that a 12600k can be cooled on a 212 Evo

[vast meadow]

And tbf dell make very good psus too

[vast meadow]

Some people believe the 212 evo is godly

[umbral finch]

i heard that there is a compatabiliy issue with intel 12th gen, something relates to scheduler and thats it will effect older games

can this bug be fixed with software update?

or if i get a 12th gen i wont be able to play a large amount of games

[vast meadow]

It really depends on the game, some games will work on win 11 but not win 10 it's a bit odd

[cursive epoch]

you can also disable e-cores

[pastel monolith]

I would say yes you will be able to eventually play most games. From what I have read it has to do with windows scheduling the efficiency cores and certain anti-cheat software. I'm certain this will be resolved.

[heady prism]

Is it worth upgrading from an 8700k to 12900k for 1440p gaming?

[cursive epoch]

no

[vast meadow]

With that gpu?

[cursive epoch]

but ^

[vast meadow]

And what games

[cursive epoch]

but even then 12900k isn't a need

[heady prism]

3080 any game really

[cursive epoch]

if you really wanna go 12th gen 12600k is the way to go

very close perf to 12900k in any games

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe 12600k yeah, and a ddr4 board

[hollow thorn]

It's just that you don't really get that much gain at 1440p from changing CPU

[cursive epoch]

in gn testing

[heady prism]

My research shows an average of 16fps gain over the 8700k at 1440p.. wondering is anyone found better info

[cursive epoch]

1% and 0.1% low apparently isn't impacted on ddr4 vs ddr5

i was surprised

just 16 over 8700k?

i don't believe that

[grizzled bloom]

Real world testing is quite different from benchmarks. You probably use different settings from the benchmarks.

[heady prism]

Yep but it was a limited test pool

[cursive epoch]

it's way better than 8700k

[hollow thorn]

Prob GPU bound though

[heady prism]

Cyberpunk, swtor, and far cry 5

[cursive epoch]

oh

yeah that's gpu bound

[heady prism]

8, 12, and 26 fps difference

[vast meadow]

Welll that's debatable because fps is different game to game and no reliable reviewers are reliable reviewers are using 8700k anymore to review gpus soo

[cursive epoch]

those games hits on gpu

[hollow thorn]

I mean

Tpu uses 3080 for CPU reviews now I believe

Anandtech might too

[vast meadow]

Yeah but 8700k old cpu no 8700k 3080 reviews

[heady prism]

True that a lot of reviews don’t include 8700k

[hollow thorn]

Tpu still uses a lot of chips

Can't check rn but yea

[heady prism]

Also when they test CPU for gaming they tend to only do so at 1080p to load CPU. At 1440p the gaps close between CPUs

[vast meadow]

Yep

[heady prism]

When looking at 10900k vs 12900k they trade blows within a few percent. Then ho back and look at the 10900k review and it trades blows in the same way with previous gen intel. Just doesn’t seem worth an upgrade just for gaming

[vast meadow]

Ehhhhhh

[heady prism]

That’s also looking at 1080p benchmarks, move up to 1440p and it’s even less impressive

[burnt spear]

Especially not 12900k. Even an 11600k would be more than enough for 3080 at 1440p

[heady prism]

Not really relevant. Unless you are just looking at CPU ability or trying to game at 240hz 🤣

[hollow thorn]

and just checked, TPU does testing with 3080 at 1440p but only as far back as 10th gen

but it really shows you how some tests are severely GPU bound

[vast meadow]

Well just showing the gap between 12900k and 10900k as you said they trade blows

[hollow thorn]

SOTR is completely GPU bound for example

[burnt spear]

An 11600k would even be fine for a 3080 at 1080p really

[hollow thorn]

FC5 scales better

[vast meadow]

Lol

[hollow thorn]

CP2077 GPU bound as expected

[heady prism]

That’s using FPS as a metric. What are the numbers as percentage?

[hollow thorn]

@heady prism You'll like this chart better then

[heady prism]

Yeah so 5%

Relate that to FPS and it’s not much

[cursive epoch]

where's that 5%?

[burnt spear]

Which is why 12900k isn't worth it for you

[cursive epoch]

oh 12900k vs 11900k

[burnt spear]

Also 8700k is close enough to 10400 for this bench

Or for any bench really

10400 a bit better than 3600, which is 8700k equivelant

[heady prism]

Also a 12900k upgrade is ~$1300 for 15% 😬

[vast meadow]

Simple, 12900k fps/10900k fps sooo 12900k is 1.24 x10900k perf