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ivory sedge Sep 29, 2021, 12:48 PM

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it is installed, it shows up in macrium reflect

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 12:48 PM

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Is that an ssd thing?

vernal cosmos Sep 29, 2021, 12:48 PM

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Yeah

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 12:49 PM

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My hdd shows up properly that I just installed

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Ah

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Mb

vernal cosmos Sep 29, 2021, 12:49 PM

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ssds need to be formatted

ivory sedge Sep 29, 2021, 12:49 PM

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then does it do that automatically when i do this process or do I have to do an extra step?

vernal cosmos Sep 29, 2021, 12:49 PM

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they arent pre partitioned

vernal cosmos Sep 29, 2021, 12:49 PM

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ivory sedge then does it do that automatically when i do this process or do I have to do an ...

it should

vast meadow Sep 29, 2021, 12:49 PM

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ivory sedge then does it do that automatically when i do this process or do I have to do an ...

It will automatically partition it yes

ivory sedge Sep 29, 2021, 12:49 PM

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okay, you can see where my confusion was coming from then

vernal cosmos Sep 29, 2021, 12:49 PM

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if it doesnt, its a 3 click fix anyway

ivory sedge Sep 29, 2021, 12:49 PM

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thank you

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 12:50 PM

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My so was putting in an ssd over the weekend with a friend

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They thought you just needed the cord that plugs into the psu

vast meadow Sep 29, 2021, 12:50 PM

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Well if it's a 2.5" it does

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 12:50 PM

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No like no sata cable

vast meadow Sep 29, 2021, 12:51 PM

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So it was m.2

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 12:51 PM

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Its a saga ssd

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Sata

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Gold hynix sata version

vast meadow Sep 29, 2021, 12:51 PM

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M.2 and sata aren't mutually exclusive lol

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 12:51 PM

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Fair enough

vast meadow Sep 29, 2021, 12:51 PM

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That's why i asked

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 12:52 PM

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I forgot sata cables dotn come with the ssds, so I forgot to ask the friend to bring one over

dense frost Sep 29, 2021, 12:53 PM

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burnt spear They thought you just needed the cord that plugs into the psu

there was a guy on here who was thought he had to plug his sata power into the motherboard

vast meadow Sep 29, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Yeah come with mobo or buy online lol

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 12:54 PM

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It was a cheap asf pre built

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The friends dad has a box full of cables and stuff

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So there's bound to be a sata cable in there

rocky beacon Sep 29, 2021, 12:54 PM

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You can buy bulk sata cables for cheap on ebay also

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 12:55 PM

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I'd do it myself but their house is 4hrs away

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And I can't drive by myself just yet

vast meadow Sep 29, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Or cheap on Amazon

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Aight question

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Why is Chrome using 80% of a pentium silver n5030

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I know it's a less than par cpu

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But even my 4030u does better than this

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ivory sedge Sep 29, 2021, 2:08 PM

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@vast meadow Did I do this right?

vast meadow Sep 29, 2021, 2:09 PM

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ivory sedge <@!191276897227898880> Did I do this right?

Ehh can you uncrop it

ivory sedge Sep 29, 2021, 2:10 PM

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vast meadow Ehh can you uncrop it

uncrop? im looking at file manager

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jolly sluice Sep 29, 2021, 2:32 PM

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How often do cpus go on sale? Is it worth it to wait or just buy with the rest of my components?

dense frost Sep 29, 2021, 2:35 PM

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jolly sluice How often do cpus go on sale? Is it worth it to wait or just buy with the rest o...

you are going to be waiting for a GPU anyway

jolly sluice Sep 29, 2021, 2:35 PM

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I have a old one in my rig rn, but it's on its last leg.

mild jackal Sep 29, 2021, 3:12 PM

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$150 9700k from microcenter

burnt spear Sep 29, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Pog

vast meadow Sep 29, 2021, 3:43 PM

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ivory sedge <@!191276897227898880> Did I do this right?

Emm depends which drive is what size

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rigid sluice Sep 29, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Hello gentlemen

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grizzled bloom Sep 30, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Silicon Lottery is shutting down, you have until November to get your delid service done

burnt spear Sep 30, 2021, 1:46 AM

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grizzled bloom Silicon Lottery is shutting down, you have until November to get your delid serv...

what?

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confusion

grizzled bloom Sep 30, 2021, 1:48 AM

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burnt spear what?

https://megagames.com/news/silicon-lottery-cpu-binning-service-announces-its-closure

Silicon Lottery CPU binning service announces its closure

The CPU binning organisation known as Silicon Lottery, is going to shut its doors for good at the end of October. That means no more guaranteed

burnt spear Sep 30, 2021, 1:48 AM

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ohhhh

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i thought you meant like silicon lottery as in perf difference wont exist

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like they could quality control better or smthn

grizzled bloom Sep 30, 2021, 1:49 AM

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Well that's kinda part of the reason they're shutting down tbh, relative performance between good and bad samples is really tight and overclocking isn't showing as much results as boost tuning.

cursive epoch Sep 30, 2021, 3:45 AM

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oh no

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it eventually had to happen

naive pendant Sep 30, 2021, 5:29 AM

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I just wanna clarify I can’t enable ram xmp on a z490 paired with a 10600k. Correct?

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:42 AM

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naive pendant I just wanna clarify I can’t enable ram xmp on a z490 paired with a 10600k. Cor...

You can

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:48 AM

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naive pendant I just wanna clarify I can’t enable ram xmp on a z490 paired with a 10600k. Cor...

Z series boards can OC ram

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So XMP and manual OC is good

ivory sedge Sep 30, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Hey, how can I wipe my PC without using windows's reset assistant?

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ivory sedge Sep 30, 2021, 2:20 PM

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I followed everything in my power to clean my pc but it had no fruit, i screwed up with some partition stuff and now i wanna put a restart

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But it wont even let me do that because my pc cant find the recovery environment and i tried every mrthod but it still doesnt work

rocky beacon Sep 30, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Reinstall windows using a install disk or USB drive

ivory sedge Sep 30, 2021, 2:21 PM

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I tried that, but ill try it again

rocky beacon Sep 30, 2021, 2:21 PM

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That will work 100%

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Yeah the usb method is the only real way

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The one threw settings doesn't do much

rocky beacon Sep 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Usually takes long for some reason also

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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

ivory sedge Sep 30, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Yes i know of all this

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Bwcause i spent most of my day yesterday doing this

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I am going through it again as we speak

dense frost Sep 30, 2021, 2:24 PM

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be sure to delete partitions and create new ones

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deleting partitions is the one true way to make sure your storage is wiped clean

ivory sedge Sep 30, 2021, 2:25 PM

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So if i wanna wipe everything clean i delete all of them?

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Im supposed to have 2 drives

hollow thorn Sep 30, 2021, 2:26 PM

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dense frost deleting partitions is the one true way to make sure your storage is wiped clean

not exactly the true way to wipe it clean but as far as windows knows, it's wiped clean

dense frost Sep 30, 2021, 2:26 PM

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ivory sedge Im supposed to have 2 drives

you have 2 drives (drive 0 and drive 1), but your drive 1 has been split into 3 partitions

hollow thorn Sep 30, 2021, 2:27 PM

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but yea delete all the partitions if you want to clean install windows

ivory sedge Sep 30, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Okay

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Does windows automatically handle the other one

rocky beacon Sep 30, 2021, 2:27 PM

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No

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You will have to create a partition and format it

ivory sedge Sep 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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How do I do that

rocky beacon Sep 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Click on the secondry drive and click New'

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use the default size and it should format it

ivory sedge Sep 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Im alreadg on the installation part though

rocky beacon Sep 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Then do it in disk management

ivory sedge Sep 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Okay

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Thank you

limber dragon Sep 30, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Disk management is iffy for wiping drives imo

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Diskpart > list disk > select disk (which disk you want to wipe) > clean

hollow thorn Sep 30, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Dban if you really want data off your drive

mild jackal Sep 30, 2021, 3:38 PM

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Dban is made to be easy to use, if you know what you're doing, use use any other drive wiping software

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When I was much younger, and wanted to wipe data from a boot drive before selling, I'd long format then write copies of the movie top gun to the drive until full

hollow thorn Sep 30, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Lol

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There's also stuff like sdelete

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Just write 0 over everything

peak perch Sep 30, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Need a question answered.. theres this battlefield 2042+ 500gb ssd gen4 bundle for roughly 100bucks. Can my Aorus x470 Gaming 5 MB support gen 4 ssd?

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 5:38 PM

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It will support it just not running in gen 4, it will run at gen 3

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Depending on how much battlefield costs the sdd might not be worth it

peak perch Sep 30, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Game is 60. Ssd by itself is 65.

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 5:43 PM

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Ehhh

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If you need 500gb ssd sure

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If not I'd leave it

peak perch Sep 30, 2021, 5:45 PM

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I need to start coming on here more. You guys save me money. Thanks Duck

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Np lol

hollow thorn Sep 30, 2021, 5:46 PM

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also, lots of people said they didn't received the game w that drive afaik

peak perch Sep 30, 2021, 5:47 PM

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Oh wow. Dodge that bullet

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:22 PM

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I need help getting prepared for windows 11

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:23 PM

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livid smelt I need help getting prepared for windows 11

hardware?

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Can or is there anyone that can help me order the right part for my mother board please

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:24 PM

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you might not need an external tpm module

grizzled bloom Sep 30, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Most people don't need any new parts

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:24 PM

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@vernal cosmos yes

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:24 PM

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what hardware do you have

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:25 PM

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LGA 1151 TDA 35w

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:25 PM

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what

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:26 PM

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I can upgrade too intel core i7-7700T 2.9 GHz quad core TDP 35w

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:27 PM

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What do you have right now

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What cpu

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what motherboard

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models

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:28 PM

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Hp desktop all in one

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:28 PM

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thats not a cpu

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can you tell me what cpu you have

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please

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https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

CPU-Z | Softwares | CPUID

CPU-Z is a freeware that gathers information on some of the main devices of your system :

			Processor name and number, codename, process, package, cache levels.
			Mainboard and chipset.
			Memory type, size, timings, and module specifications (SPD).
			Real time measurement of each core's internal frequency, memory frequency.
		
		T...

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download this setup

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install the app

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:29 PM

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task manager will do tbh

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:29 PM

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vast meadow task manager will do tbh

mobo and chipset

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:29 PM

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dont think chipset matters for win 11

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Can I send pic over this

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:30 PM

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vast meadow dont think chipset matters for win 11

Hmm

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ur right i think

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tho

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:30 PM

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livid smelt Can I send pic over this

dm me

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@vast meadow since this do be hp prebuilt it no matter otherwise mobo vendor good

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asus rolling out the bios updates

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:32 PM

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I5-7400t

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:32 PM

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ACTUALLY

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hmm

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:32 PM

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For windows 11 you'll need a new pc

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:32 PM

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probs not

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:33 PM

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Yeah

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They will

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https://youtu.be/NF6lu6IzIo8

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Unless they want 1 time update, 0 updates after and slower pc

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:33 PM

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vast meadow They will

Nah Im saying in my experiance, some prebuilts have a hardware tpm chip built in

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

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vernal cosmos Nah Im saying in my experiance, some prebuilts have a hardware tpm chip built in

Tpm not issue

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

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They locked down cpu support?

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Although windows 10 will be supported til 2025 so either wait or bug a new pc

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

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vernal cosmos They locked down cpu support?

Yeah ryzen 2000 and up and intel 8th gen and up

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

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I did a test for what I need to run 11 and it says a new processor

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Yeah well you can't upgrade the cpu in that to anything useful hence a new pc will be needed

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But if it does the job just keep using windows 10

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It will be supported for another 4 years

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:35 PM

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to be fair guys mobo could support 8th gen if hp has made a bios update available

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it is LGA 1151

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Okay

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:36 PM

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can you tell me exactly what hp prebuilt you have

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:36 PM

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vernal cosmos to be fair guys mobo could support 8th gen if hp has made a bios update availabl...

Uhh no different socket

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Afaik

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:36 PM

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vast meadow Uhh no different socket

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000027816/processors/intel-core-processors.html

Intel

Compatible Intel® Core™ Desktop Processors for FCLGA1151...

Provides a list of compatible Intel Core processors for motherboards with FCLGA (Flip-Chip Land Grid Array) 1151 socket.

grizzled bloom Sep 30, 2021, 6:36 PM

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All in one is basically a laptop

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Also that ^

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Oh its an all in one?

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:37 PM

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vernal cosmos https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000027816/processors/in...

Right but they have t chip which is basically laptop

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:38 PM

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vast meadow Right but they have t chip which is basically laptop

t chips arent soldered tho are they?

grizzled bloom Sep 30, 2021, 6:38 PM

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Some are

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:38 PM

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Hmmm

grizzled bloom Sep 30, 2021, 6:38 PM

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It depends on the exact model

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:38 PM

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I see

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:39 PM

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This one had like a metal cage and clips in from what I seen on you tube

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:39 PM

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not werf opening up an all in one and cpu swap

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:39 PM

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How pravilion

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All in one -24-r014

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:40 PM

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the cooler designed for only a specific level of heat output

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swapping cpu gonna overheat it

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unless you get a t chip

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that is if hp has made a bios update available

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which I doubt

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and either way all in ones are super difficult to take apart and assemble

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all in all you need a new pc

grizzled bloom Sep 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Windows 10 still has 4 years of official support and it'll probably keep going for a while after that, like windows 7 did

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:42 PM

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According to this thing it’s upgraded Abel

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:43 PM

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livid smelt According to this thing it’s upgraded Abel

what thing?

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:44 PM

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I can upgrade to a intel core i7-7700T (Kabulake) 2.9 ghz quad core

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:44 PM

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livid smelt I can upgrade to a intel core i7-7700T (Kabulake) 2.9 ghz quad core

thats still 7th gen

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:45 PM

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Is there higher one then that

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I think I’m in 5 now

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:45 PM

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i5, i7, i3, i7264781248 whatever it could be doesnt matter

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it can still only do 7th gen

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:46 PM

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livid smelt I can upgrade to a intel core i7-7700T (Kabulake) 2.9 ghz quad core

No point you need an 8th gen chip minimum

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:46 PM

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the number after the dash is whats important

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i7-(7)700T
the number in that bracket is whats the problem

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that 7 stands for 7th gen

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you need 8th gen

grizzled bloom Sep 30, 2021, 6:47 PM

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7th gen does not have integrated tpm, that's 8th gen and up

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:47 PM

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Tpm also not main problem tho falcie

grizzled bloom Sep 30, 2021, 6:48 PM

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It's another problem though

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:48 PM

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vast meadow https://youtu.be/NF6lu6IzIo8

Something in the cpu physically, can't remember exactly, explained here

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:48 PM

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apparently if you have below 8th gen intel or ryzen 2000 you dont get updates

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it upgrades to win 11 and then thats it

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:48 PM

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That too

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:49 PM

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no security updates or anyfing

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:49 PM

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And up to 40% slower

burnt spear Sep 30, 2021, 6:49 PM

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Thats hilariously stupid

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Should atleast support all ddr4 supportive cpus imo

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:49 PM

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So I went and did a pc health check app from windows

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:50 PM

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livid smelt So I went and did a pc health check app from windows

You can run all the apps you want

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if you want to use win 11 u need a new pc

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:50 PM

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burnt spear Should atleast support all ddr4 supportive cpus imo

Watch the vid it explains why they can't

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:50 PM

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or have a FAR FAR FAR FAR worse experience than win 10

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:51 PM

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My cpu intel core i5 7400t cpu 2.40

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:51 PM

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@burnt spear https://youtu.be/NF6lu6IzIo8@livid smelt

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vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:51 PM

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livid smelt My cpu intel core i5 7400t cpu 2.40

Can you please for one second try to understand what we are trying to say?

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It doesnt matter

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:51 PM

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livid smelt My cpu intel core i5 7400t cpu 2.40

Yes we know but it's not windows 11 compatible

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:51 PM

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if you want to use windows 11, you need a new pc

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:52 PM

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Why would should I need a new pic when all I have to do is get a new processor

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:52 PM

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livid smelt Why would should I need a new pic when all I have to do is get a new processor

because you need an 8th generation processor

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which ur motherboard doesnt support

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 6:53 PM

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livid smelt Why would should I need a new pic when all I have to do is get a new processor

Because you cant get a new processor without getting a new motherboard and because you have an all in one or tiny oem pc you cant swap it as its proprietary

vernal cosmos Sep 30, 2021, 6:53 PM

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its upgradable to i7-7700T which is still 7th gen and hence still not good for win 11

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if you upgrade the cpu, ur gonna need a new mobo, if you do that its not gonna fit in the current pc and most likely not gonna use the same power pins that ur current mobo has. this mean new pc case and new power supply

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only thing you can keep is the ram

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so yeah its basically a new pc

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shrug

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you see what the problem is @livid smelt ?

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 6:58 PM

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I do now that I’m on the windows upgrade side none of the new processor that I could upgrade to is still gonna run windows 11. Oh well it’s okay I’ll just run it till it dies

vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 7:03 PM

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livid smelt I do now that I’m on the windows upgrade side none of the new processor that I c...

windows 10 still has support for another 4 years anyway

livid smelt Sep 30, 2021, 7:07 PM

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Perfects i hope windows change there start menu

naive pendant Sep 30, 2021, 9:07 PM

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image of an x99 board i found on ebay.... 200Sad

cyan raft Sep 30, 2021, 9:07 PM

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vernal cosmos which ur motherboard doesnt support

Well technically you could pin mod the mobo

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Get it to be able to run 8th and 9th gen Intel

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vast meadow Sep 30, 2021, 9:50 PM

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naive pendant image of an x99 board i found on ebay.... <:200Sad:641084766820761621>

Ouch

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 2:39 AM

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cyan raft Well technically you could pin mod the mobo

Its an hp prebuilt

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The bios is the problem

cursive epoch Oct 1, 2021, 3:33 AM

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afaik

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HP also encrypts their bios

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So modding is rip

cyan raft Oct 1, 2021, 10:42 AM

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Nevermind then didn’t know it was an HP prebuilt

mild jackal Oct 1, 2021, 1:48 PM

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The vrm would probably combust with any 9th gen chip you'd want to use anyway

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Pretty much every bios has parts that are encrypted, could still be possible to coffee mod a board like that, but not really worth it outside of doing it for the flex.

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Check out win-raid

burnt spear Oct 1, 2021, 2:05 PM

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golden ice Oct 1, 2021, 3:38 PM

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Is this the right place to ask a few newb esk motherboard nvme gpu related questions

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 3:39 PM

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golden ice Is this the right place to ask a few newb esk motherboard nvme gpu related quest...

ask away

golden ice Oct 1, 2021, 3:47 PM

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I’ve got a b550 tomahawk running a ryzen 5600x, build is in progress, haven’t chosen a gpu yet and y’all’s answers may help with that, I want to run 3 separate pieces of storage, nvme 1tb for what I’ll be gaming, a ssd for operating system and general computerage, and a normal disk hard drive for movies, videos, etc. I know the b550 has 2 pcie ports and the upper port is gen4 compatible where as the 2nd is “lower capable”. I know that the and chipset has 20 gen 4 lanes and 16 go to the upper and 4 to the lower. I have no idea what that means though. My main question is should my gpu go on the top and nvme on the bottom, or vice versa. Am I going to lose the benefits of having nvme if it’s in the bottom slot, and if so, how big of an effect is it going to have on the gpu if I run it in the bottom slot?

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Thank y’all

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 3:48 PM

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nvme 3.0 and 4.0 is not a big difference in perf really

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I would keep the gpu in the top pcie slot

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bottom slot has only 8 lanes if I remember correctly vs 16 to the top slot

golden ice Oct 1, 2021, 3:49 PM

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They send it 4 and it’s wired as 8

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 3:49 PM

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also the bottom one is routed through the chipset

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so higher latencies

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tl;dr gpu top slot, storage can go wherever

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dont worry too much into it

golden ice Oct 1, 2021, 3:51 PM

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Got it, I have built a few computers, but it’s been atleast 8 years, and I thought I knew a fair amount back then, but this explosion of house and ssd has made this way more confusing

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Gpu, not house

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 3:51 PM

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yeah ssds are confusing

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BTW I would suggest giving windshields ssd tier list a read before buying ur ssd

golden ice Oct 1, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Will do, thank you very much

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 3:52 PM

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https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

GitHub

stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/SSD tier list.md at main · windsh...

SSD buying guide, maintained and updated by select editors - stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/SSD tier list.md at main · windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide

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there it is

hollow thorn Oct 1, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Also lane sharing things

Bandwidth Shared: *The PCI_E3 slot will be disabled if the M2_2 socket (in x2 mode) and the PCI_E2 slot are used at the same time. *The PCI_E3 slot will downgrade from x4 to x2 if the PCI_E2 slot is used.

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Ahhh right b550 things

hollow thorn Oct 1, 2021, 3:53 PM

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It's the specific board

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It's just some things with other pcie slots

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 3:54 PM

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the board has only pci_E1 and m2_1 go to cpu right

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which are the top 2 slots

hollow thorn Oct 1, 2021, 3:54 PM

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Yes

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Which means m.2_1 is pcie 4.0

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And unaffected by any lane sharing

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But m.2_2 is pcie 3.0

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And can affect other pcie slots

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 3:56 PM

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how many lanes can the chipset do?

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like in general

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not board specific

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b550 that is

hollow thorn Oct 1, 2021, 3:56 PM

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Will need to find that

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It takes x4 from CPU

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 3:57 PM

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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-b550-chipset-specifications-motherboard-specs,40467.html

Tom's Hardware

AMD B550 Chipset Specs Detailed

Hong Kong media HKEPC listed the specifications for AMD's B550 chipset in its review of the ASRock X570 Creator motherboard.

hollow thorn Oct 1, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Found it

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4 pcie 3.0 lanes, plus 2 more Lanes or 2 more sata ports

vernal cosmos Oct 1, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Hmmm

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and do you have a chart for x570 as well?

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i think x570 has a gen 4 pcie x4 connection to the cpu vs gen 3 x4 for b550

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yep

golden ice Oct 1, 2021, 8:11 PM

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So while expanding my 12hr crash course in current day computer building, I believe I now understand the nvme pcie thing a little better. so my nvme chip isn’t installed in the actual pcie port like a graphics card, there’s a separate space under the lower heat sink/cover on the tomahawk board correct?

hollow thorn Oct 1, 2021, 8:14 PM

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golden ice So while expanding my 12hr crash course in current day computer building, I beli...

Most consumer NVMe drives use the M.2 slot, like how graphics cards use PCIe slots. The M.2 slot looks something like this, and connects to the CPU through the PCIe bus, usually x2 or x4 lanes.

golden ice Oct 1, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Makes way more sense now, thank you

coral owl Oct 1, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Can anyone give me some instruction on how to use DBAN to wipe a hard drive?

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:38 AM

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I spent 300 on a ryzen 7 3700x

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is that a good price

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 12:43 AM

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Hell no

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Should cost 220 maximum

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You can buy a 5600x new for that

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:45 AM

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burnt spear You can buy a 5600x new for that

less cores?

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 12:46 AM

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The amount of cores doesn't matter. 6 higher performance cores vs 8 less performance cores

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:46 AM

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oooohhh

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 12:46 AM

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5600x might even be better than 3700x in multi core, I forget

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Wish I knew that

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 12:46 AM

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5600x has WAY better single core

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:46 AM

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it dont matter too much with a 1650 super

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tbh'

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 12:46 AM

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I guess...

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:47 AM

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Never built a pc before so learning

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:47 AM

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burnt spear I guess...

will I see a VAST difference In preformance?

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 12:49 AM

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Not wirh a 1650 super

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Except in cpu based games like minecraft

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:52 AM

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burnt spear Except in cpu based games like minecraft

I play a lot of Minecrafy

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I can still get a lot of frames tho

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 12:53 AM

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Yeah

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:56 AM

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Well Ill learn

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but it shouldnt be too bad

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:59 AM

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burnt spear Yeah

you think I could run 200+ frames?

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 12:59 AM

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Definitely

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In vanilla

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 12:59 AM

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aight

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 12:59 AM

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Wirh a 3600 I think I've seen like 400

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Constant

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:00 AM

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Well Without good graphics or shaders

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I play on servers but nothing heavily modded. however I may try and play a little modded

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:01 AM

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Oh it can handle modded perfectly fine

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Dw about that

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:01 AM

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okay

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:01 AM

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I was able to play crazy craft on a 3rd gen i5 and 1030

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:02 AM

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It can deal with some other Fps games and things like gta??

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Not that I would play gta

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Your pc can run nearly every game currently out

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Nearly

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Nearly I get htat

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ther are some things

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Idk about cyberpunk or the new assassind creed

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:02 AM

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I dont plan on doing that

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:03 AM

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Afaik basically any other game you'll be fine in

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:03 AM

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afaik?

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:03 AM

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As far as I know

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:03 AM

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I will play a lot of Poe

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OKay

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:03 AM

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Poe?

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:03 AM

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Path of exile

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Im on a 1.7ghz laptop until my parts come in

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:03 AM

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You'd be fine with a potato to play that

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:03 AM

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So cannot really do it

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TRUST Me I cant

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:04 AM

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650 ti is the minimum gpu

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That's worse than a 1030

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:04 AM

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My cpu has 1.7 ghz

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:04 AM

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And a quad core 2.6ghz cpu

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:04 AM

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I cant run it on this laptop

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But I mean

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its bad

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:05 AM

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burnt spear Afaik basically any other game you'll be fine in

Thats reassuring

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Dam Thanks A lot dude Really appreciate it

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I have learned a couple things

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:07 AM

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Happy to

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:08 AM

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burnt spear Happy to

I mean 8 cores is usually better tbh

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In preformance

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:09 AM

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No

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One second

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Ok sk

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According to Google 3700x has better multi core performance

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By 5-15%

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But

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Single core is more important for gaming

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10/10 times 5600x over 3700x for gaming

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:11 AM

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And its cheaper?

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:11 AM

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Same price new

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Used market it tends to be ~30$ expensive

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More*

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:12 AM

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Whats the difference in gaming preformance in a %

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:12 AM

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Uhh

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Let me check

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:12 AM

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if you had to guess

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Or google

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:14 AM

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Blue is the average

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:15 AM

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burnt spear

is that a game where 90frames is respectable?

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:16 AM

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The amount is irrelevant

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Just the difference is what I'm showing

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The general rule of thumb is 60fps

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Atleast that's what mine is, I'm not sure if others share it

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:17 AM

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I mean that is like a 10 iSh % difference

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:17 AM

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About

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:18 AM

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I Mean, That isnt Terrible

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With a 1650 super not a 2060 ti

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it would be less that 10%

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:18 AM

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2080ti

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:18 AM

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Ye

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:18 AM

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Eh

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Honestly either cpu is overkill for 1650s

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I woulda gone with like a used 2600

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Maybe a 10400

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:19 AM

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I cannot afford anything with the shortage

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not in my budget

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BUTTT

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:19 AM

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Wha?

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Then how'd you get your pc

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:19 AM

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I plan on upgrading when it gets better

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I downgraded bcuz a used 1660 super is like 500

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400

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:20 AM

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burnt spear Then how'd you get your pc

Well It is my birthday in acouple weeks and I had A little money

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:20 AM

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Ah

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Well happy early birthday

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:20 AM

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Ty

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And Well Ill prob get a 3060 in like a year when the prices are normal or semi normal

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:20 AM

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Good luck

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:21 AM

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They Wonnnt bE As Baddddd right )"

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Ik they will be lol

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but ya never know

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Plus I got that 32 gig ram

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:22 AM

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burnt spear Good luck

Ykk what im sayin with that dual stick ripjaws 16X2

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:31 AM

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32gig with a 1650s system...

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Like I said I plan on upgrading AT some point

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Interesting choice ig

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:32 AM

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What is that Overkill?

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:32 AM

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wind nest Like I said I plan on upgrading AT some point

I have 16 in my 3060 ti build

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Ig it depends what you do

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:32 AM

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It was like very little more

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:32 AM

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Wait

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:32 AM

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i dont mind FOR DOuble the ram

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:32 AM

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What mhz is the ram

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Ryzen benefits a lot from 3600mhz ram

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:34 AM

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3200 maybe hold on

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:34 AM

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Not awful

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:35 AM

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G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memor

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thats what it is

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I think its 3200

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:36 AM

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burnt spear Not awful

Yea Ik 32 gb be WAYYYY to much but I mean i know someone with a dual 3090 with 128gb

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:36 AM

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It isn't wayyy too much

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But 16 is the general rule for a pc your caliber. If it wasn't much extra it can't hurt

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Not bad to have the extra leg room

cunning ingot Oct 2, 2021, 2:27 AM

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AOTS OMEGALUL

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 2:30 AM

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cunning ingot AOTS <:OMEGALUL:773691150199554069>

Attack on titans?

cunning ingot Oct 2, 2021, 2:30 AM

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ashes of the singularity

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meme benchmark

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 2:39 AM

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Attack on titans

zenith knot Oct 2, 2021, 12:58 PM

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any good ram rec.? mine isnt working right and i need new ones

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16gb (8x2) pref

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 1:00 PM

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rip jaws

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 1:00 PM

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zenith knot any good ram rec.? mine isnt working right and i need new ones

For what cpu

cursive epoch Oct 2, 2021, 1:23 PM

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ripjaws aren't the best option ngl

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Assuming it's like ryzen or at least 7th gen intel

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:45 PM

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Question

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Why does the 2990wx still go for 1k+ used when 5950x beats jt even in multi core? Is there some other benefit of the extra cores other than overall mc performance?

cursive epoch Oct 2, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Quad channel ram

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And cause 3990wx isn't a thing yet

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iirc

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 1:47 PM

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Ah

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Extra pcie lanes still etc

cursive epoch Oct 2, 2021, 1:48 PM

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ye

rocky beacon Oct 2, 2021, 1:49 PM

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The PCIe lanes are the huge reason they are still so expensive

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Very useful for workstations that need lots of lanes

finite elm Oct 2, 2021, 2:25 PM

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cursive epoch ripjaws aren't the best option ngl

I'll fight you 😤 don't dis my ripjaws

cursive epoch Oct 2, 2021, 2:25 PM

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kek

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Crucial ballistix supremacy

finite elm Oct 2, 2021, 2:25 PM

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Although I only have them in my Lil portable PC

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 2:26 PM

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i think they are good

cursive epoch Oct 2, 2021, 2:26 PM

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Crucial ballistix is cheapest for 3600mhz c16

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Even rgb white version

finite elm Oct 2, 2021, 2:28 PM

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When i bought the ripjaws it was 60$ lol

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Well. 120$ for 4x8gb

vernal cosmos Oct 2, 2021, 2:37 PM

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cursive epoch Crucial ballistix is cheapest for 3600mhz c16

Only in the us and some countries

wind nest Oct 2, 2021, 2:37 PM

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lol

vernal cosmos Oct 2, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Ripjaws FAR better vale in some places

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 2:42 PM

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vernal cosmos Only in the us and some countries

In a lot of countries it's the cheapest tbf

cursive epoch Oct 2, 2021, 2:43 PM

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yeah

limber dragon Oct 2, 2021, 4:26 PM

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cursive epoch And cause 3990wx isn't a thing yet

Its a thing, 3990x is quad channel, 3995wx is octa

cunning ingot Oct 2, 2021, 4:51 PM

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cursive epoch And cause 3990wx isn't a thing yet

citation needed

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doubt

cursive epoch Oct 2, 2021, 4:51 PM

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I was already corrected lel

cunning ingot Oct 2, 2021, 4:51 PM

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burnt spear Why does the 2990wx still go for 1k+ used when 5950x beats jt even in multi core...

selling for 1k+?

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or listed

burnt spear Oct 2, 2021, 4:57 PM

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rigid sluice Oct 2, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Such a good use of all those Threads on a 5950x

Compressing "Images" at a trailblazing speed of course!

rancid wasp Oct 2, 2021, 5:16 PM

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i think i fried my ram. what's weird is hyperx ngenuity recognizes both sticks (i fried one) but only the other one is in use. btw it's hyperx fury rgb ddr4 3200 2x8

rigid sluice Oct 2, 2021, 5:16 PM

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da fug did u do

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ok to be fair i did fry a E5-2630 and a supermicro mobo before

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so not surprising

rancid wasp Oct 2, 2021, 5:17 PM

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rigid sluice da fug did u do

i went to install more of the same stick, i didn't even touch the fried one lol

rigid sluice Oct 2, 2021, 5:18 PM

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were you trying to install it along side the fried stick

rancid wasp Oct 2, 2021, 5:19 PM

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yes

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to the left

rigid sluice Oct 2, 2021, 5:20 PM

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Pro tip if one is ducked
dont put a non ducked thing along side it

The Ghost of Ducked hardware will end up transferring a bit of itself to the non ducked one

devout mothBOT Oct 2, 2021, 5:23 PM

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ERL#9195 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

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ERL#9195 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

rigid sluice Oct 2, 2021, 5:27 PM

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we dont really know how or why the ghost does this

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but just trust me its true

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Hey can someone help me

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My pc says "163- time & date not set"

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It kept turning the fans off mid use so I unplugged the power, unplugged the fan, plugged it back it, made sure all the plugs inside were secure and then booted it and it gave me that

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@ me when replying please

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 8:32 PM

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scenic iris My pc says "163- time & date not set"

Set the time and date?

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Idk bout the fans, dying header/hub mb

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Drawing too much power using a fan splitter?

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 8:46 PM

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My bad I didnt see it until now

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I set the time and date, saved the changes, rebooted it, and got the recovery screen

devout mothBOT Oct 2, 2021, 8:51 PM

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HungrySuChan#3026 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

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HungrySuChan#3026 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 8:55 PM

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scenic iris I set the time and date, saved the changes, rebooted it, and got the recovery sc...

Uhh do the troubleshooting in pins of #windows-ios

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Where do I find the pins I'm on mobile

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I'm boutta give up on this damn thing and get a new one

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Top right

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Click the thing that opens people

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And then at the top, pins.

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:02 PM

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I looked thro It and found nothing 🙁

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Go to #windows-ios first, it's pinned in that channel

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Ik

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:03 PM

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I'll just copy it

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General fix for random windows problems

From an admin command prompt or powershell, run:

sfc /scannow

If that doesn't work, try:

dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

Then, try running sfc again.
Repeat as necessary

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:03 PM

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I literally cannot open anything it sends me straight to the recovery screen

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It goes from bios for a few seconds, black, then recovery

ashen drum Oct 2, 2021, 9:14 PM

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doe sanyone know if ddr4 pc4 28800 ram is compaibale with the z370 chipset? i cant gind that info anyhwere @here

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:16 PM

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@here won't work, but also, that's because the spec that matters would be ddr4 3600, pc4 doesn't really matter, 28800 is just the frequency multiplied by 8. Z370 boards should be fine with ddr4 3600 memory

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:17 PM

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scenic iris It goes from bios for a few seconds, black, then recovery

Recovery should have an option for you to boot into safe mode w command prompt iirc

ashen drum Oct 2, 2021, 9:17 PM

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oh ok sorry and thank you wasnt sure if it was sizw like m.2

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Only the ddr generation (and sodimm vs dimm) matter for the physical size and pinout and such

ashen drum Oct 2, 2021, 9:18 PM

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gotcha and yes it 3600mhz cl16

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Beyond that there's sometimes chipset limitations on frequency, and CPU imc limitations at times

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But should be okay

ashen drum Oct 2, 2021, 9:19 PM

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ok sweet i ordered it with out even thinking bou that. thanks for your help!

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:21 PM

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hollow thorn Recovery should have an option for you to boot into safe mode w command prompt i...

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Oh boi

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Ignore the desk lmao I had to move everything

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Thought you meant windows recovery mode

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That's annoying

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Wait

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@scenic iris just f10 setup then

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:22 PM

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It was in the recovery screen and then I fixed some connections and got this

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Then what

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Should be fine after that

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Hopefully

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Nah I got a setup utility screen

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hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Apply defaults and exit might work

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But the PC being HP makes sense for such annoying things xD

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Yeah I went to the support for a 5 minute issue and all they did was try and get me into a new computer

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:26 PM

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HP is annoying, proprietary things

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:26 PM

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hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Drive issues it seems

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:30 PM

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How can I fix it I just wanna play some gta 😭

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 9:35 PM

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if you manage to get in update all your drivers and pray that fixes it

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:35 PM

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How can I get in man

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 9:36 PM

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uhhh

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is there any options on your pc?

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:36 PM

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Wym

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 9:36 PM

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like on the screen?

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:36 PM

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At which stage

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 9:36 PM

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the one youre at now

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:36 PM

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No theres no options

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 9:37 PM

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try restart your pc

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:38 PM

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I managed to hit boot menu in the half second window it gives me

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vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 9:43 PM

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try hard drive?

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:46 PM

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vast meadow try hard drive?

Nah didnt work I got sent to the recovery screen again

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I'll just go down the list and update you when I'm done

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None of em worked 🙁

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 9:50 PM

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not sure then sorry :/

scenic iris Oct 2, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Ay thanks for trying man :)

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 10:53 PM

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I mean it's possible your hard drive or SSD is failing

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That's what I meant by drive issue

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If drive is dying, windows might be getting corrupted and such

limber dragon Oct 2, 2021, 10:55 PM

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ssds dont really "start to" fail, they just die, and are generally dead from factory

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Fair, as a side note, have you see this yet? @limber dragon
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/are-ssds-really-more-reliable-than-hard-drives/

Backblaze Blog | Cloud Storage & Cloud Backup

Andy Klein

Are SSDs Really More Reliable Than Hard Drives?

Do SSDs fail less often than HDDs? Read this post to see the findings from our Drive Stats reports.

limber dragon Oct 2, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Im going off of what people bring into my shop to get fixed

zenith knot Oct 2, 2021, 10:58 PM

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vast meadow For what cpu

Intel i5 10400f sorry for wait

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Makes sense, but saw that article earlier today, brought some more interesting to me, and caused me to also believe in SSD failure rate as closer to HDD failure rates than first thought.

limber dragon Oct 2, 2021, 11:01 PM

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data center/cloud storage ssd vs consumer ssd are vastly different use cases

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Backblaze also talks about how you can still proactively check SSDs before they fail with looking at SMART data, and even just reading some of the SMART stat attributes that are associated with SSDs, it's not that far off to think it might have some signs of failure similar to a HDD. Of course, it'd be pretty different.

limber dragon Oct 2, 2021, 11:01 PM

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consumers arent reading/writing 24/7

mild jackal Oct 2, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Most consumers won't realize a drive is dying until it's too late

limber dragon Oct 2, 2021, 11:02 PM

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that too, and I've seen hard drives tend to get super slow when they're failing, vs ssds just 💀

mild jackal Oct 2, 2021, 11:02 PM

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I'm currently trying to recover data from someone's usb WD drive at something like 500 KB/s

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 11:03 PM

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I should probably check, but afaik consumer v enterprise SSD is often more about the controller than the nand, bar the specialized stuff that's like 3dxpoint or drives that are just slc made for caching

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And also need to check what specific SSDs backblaze deployed

vast meadow Oct 2, 2021, 11:04 PM

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zenith knot Intel i5 10400f sorry for wait

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hPfnTW/silicon-power-xpower-gaming-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdc

Silicon Power XPOWER Gaming 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 11:04 PM

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And I believe nand starting to fail could give symptoms that might seem like hdds with data corruption and such, yaknow, charge trap no longer holding enough electrons and therefore not registering the bit for example

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Although theoretically wear leveling and such should make it hard to wear out a single cell like that

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 11:12 PM

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limber dragon ssds dont really "start to" fail, they just die, and are generally dead from fac...

Found some interesting bits here that might be of interest to you about pre-ssd-failure-signs (about half way down the page)
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-reliable-are-ssds/

Backblaze Blog | Cloud Storage & Cloud Backup

Roderick Bauer

Are Solid State Drives / SSDs More Reliable Than HDDs?

It's good to know the difference between HDDs and SSDs and understand how the different SSD technologies affect their reliability.

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I'm still looking for what drives backblaze use to see if backblaze data can actually be applied to what we do or not

mild jackal Oct 2, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Backblaze publishes their data often - enterprise drives ofc

hollow thorn Oct 2, 2021, 11:24 PM

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Just the SSDs might actually be consumer drives, since they really don't say, all I've found so far is

Our operations team takes advantage of the benefits and savings of SSDs wherever they can, using them in every place that’s appropriate other than primary data storage. They’re particularly useful in our caching and restore layers, where we use them strategically to speed up data transfers. SSDs also speed up access to B2 Cloud Storage metadata. Our operations teams is considering moving to SSDs to boot our Storage Pods, where the cost of a small SSD is competitive with hard drives, and their other attributes (small size, lack of vibration, speed, low-power consumption, reliability) are all pluses.

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That snippet is from 2018

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I'm probably just looking in the wrong places but oh well

devout mothBOT Oct 3, 2021, 12:13 AM

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cobalt meteor Oct 3, 2021, 12:22 AM

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so i see a lot of used ryzen b550 motherboards that are cheap but doesn't have a wifi antenna with it. I was wondering if i can buy something cheap like this https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Motherboard-Transmitter-Thinkcentre-Omnidirectional/dp/B08CNK9BGF/ref=sr_1_11?crid=LOHWY0GHKZX9&dchild=1&keywords=wifi+antenna+for+pc&qid=1633220509&s=electronics&sprefix=wifi+antenna+%2Celectronics%2C191&sr=1-11

2.4G 5.8G Mini WiFi Bluetooth Dual Band Antenna for Router PC Asus ...

2.4G 5.8G Mini WiFi Bluetooth Dual Band Antenna for Router PC Asus ASRock Mini-itx Motherboard TuffTalk WiFi 6 Card FPV TX Transmitter Thinkcentre RP-SMA Male Dipole Whip Omnidirectional Antennas

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will it just work or do i need a certain antenna for whatever mobo i get?

wind nest Oct 3, 2021, 12:23 AM

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cobalt meteor so i see a lot of used ryzen b550 motherboards that are cheap but doesn't have a...

Me personally bought a mother board that camew with an antenna BUT I mean it should work

cobalt meteor Oct 3, 2021, 12:23 AM

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i think there wouldn't be any problems but i just wanted to make sure here

wind nest Oct 3, 2021, 12:23 AM

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However Don't quote me on that and wait for someone thats not talking out their butthole to give their opinion

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I am

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For the most part

cobalt meteor Oct 3, 2021, 12:24 AM

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worse case scenario i buy one of those usb wifi adapters lol

cobalt meteor Oct 3, 2021, 12:24 AM

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wind nest However Don't quote me on that and wait for someone thats not talking out their ...

kk

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Meh, ymmv

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@wind nest my refurb Mobo didn't come with antennas, bought my own on Amazon, works, but is ofc slower than just Ethernet

uneven portal Oct 3, 2021, 6:31 AM

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Curious. Anyone have any experience with the NZXT N7?

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I'm trying to come up with a white build and Gigabyte INSISTS on adding some stupid color flair to their white mobos

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 8:45 AM

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cobalt meteor so i see a lot of used ryzen b550 motherboards that are cheap but doesn't have a...

If you need a cheap b550 with WiFi just get the pro vdh wifi, and I've never seen one than wouldn't come with an antenna

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 8:46 AM

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uneven portal Curious. Anyone have any experience with the NZXT N7?

It's decent just overpriced

cunning ingot Oct 3, 2021, 2:27 PM

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uneven portal Curious. Anyone have any experience with the NZXT N7?

asrock oem

devout mothBOT Oct 3, 2021, 2:27 PM

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cunning ingot Oct 3, 2021, 2:27 PM

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terribad vrm thermals

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and uh

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yeah just asrock things

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 2:41 PM

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It's fine tho

gilded jewel Oct 3, 2021, 6:50 PM

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what do you guys think about the ryzen 5 5600g apu as in price to performance

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for iGPU without a dGPU

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:06 PM

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If you really need a capable iGPU for gaming, then it's pretty much the best one.

If you just need an iGPU for redundancy, you probably should pick up a 11600k instead.

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You also probably want to wait out another month or so for Alder Lake. Those chips should have decent iGPU

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:17 PM

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ember marten If you really need a capable iGPU for gaming, then it's pretty much the best one...

only thing with 11600k is more expensive :/

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:18 PM

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vast meadow only thing with 11600k is more expensive :/

5600G and 11600k are both $220

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At microcenter

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Of course, a comparable B560 motherboard will probably cost a little more, but it also performs better, for the most part

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Oh, 11600k doesn't seem to get a stock cooler either, so that's a pickle

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:21 PM

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ember marten At microcenter

That's micro center prices tho and kinda need better cooler and really you want a z590 boards

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:22 PM

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Yeah ik. I'm not sure I agree with needing Z590 boards though. You can definitely get some stinky B560, but it seems like there are at least some good B560 boards

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:25 PM

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ember marten Yeah ik. I'm not sure I agree with needing Z590 boards though. You can definitel...

It's just kinda that the b560s for enough of a 11600k is basically z590 price but em k chip on b board just kinda sad

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ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:26 PM

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11600 non k should also be fine tbh

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:26 PM

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Not available in the us tho :/

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:26 PM

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Also b560 boards allow OC now

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Yeah, AMD boards are way cheaper than Intel at comparable quality though

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Is the 11600 non k not available in the US? I didn't know that

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:27 PM

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ember marten Also b560 boards allow OC now

That's just memory oc

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:27 PM

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ember marten Is the 11600 non k not available in the US? I didn't know that

And nope

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Really? I thought you could apply core multiplier as well on B560

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Huh

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TIL

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 7:28 PM

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b560 no cpu oc

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whole reason why Intel made z590

grizzled bloom Oct 3, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Overclocking tax

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Damn, really throws some water on my perception that Intel is better for budget now

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Yeah

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10400 nice budget atm

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But rest wack in the us

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:29 PM

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Maybe 10600k for $200 sales are good

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Can you even get decent Z490 boards for $100 at this point?

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:29 PM

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Nope lol

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:29 PM

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For shame

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:29 PM

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You can't barely get decent b560s in that price range

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:30 PM

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So... 10850k is pretty good for high-midrange I guess. Not sure why I'd bother with RKL for consumer though

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Cheapest decent b560

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:30 PM

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ember marten So... 10850k is pretty good for high-midrange I guess. Not sure why I'd bother w...

Yeah 10850k nice around 350$

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:31 PM

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vast meadow Cheapest decent b560

Cheaper than B550 pro VDH 🤪

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:31 PM

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That one has wifi for 5$ more tho lol

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:31 PM

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But I'm guessing it won't be enough to handle the extra power reqs for RKL

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Ohh 10$ more but still

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:31 PM

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ember marten But I'm guessing it won't be enough to handle the extra power reqs for RKL

Rkl?

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But nah it's not for more than 65w cpu

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:32 PM

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vast meadow Rkl?

Rocket Lake

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Ahh

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:33 PM

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ember marten But I'm guessing it won't be enough to handle the extra power reqs for RKL

Decent b560 range btw

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Might as well get z590

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:35 PM

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Disappointing

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Just underscores how disappointing Rocket Lake is for consumers lol

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They look like they'd be nice for budget chips compared to overpriced Zen3, but then you get hit with board costs :/

ocean fractal Oct 3, 2021, 7:41 PM

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I recently bought a gigabyte B550M Aorus Pro (Rev. 1) motherboard from Newegg. I was wondering if any of you know or know where I can find the max amp rating for the fan headers.
My case fans are rated at 0.45A and I'm planning to split one header into 4 another 3 so I wanna make sure I don't overload the headers

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I already looked in the manual and on Newegg and Gigabyte's site and it didnt say anything about amperage on any of them

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:42 PM

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ember marten Just underscores how disappointing Rocket Lake is for consumers lol

Nah 11400 is only scalped in us, it's good everywhere else, obvs popular enough, was 180 for ages

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:43 PM

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ocean fractal I recently bought a gigabyte B550M Aorus Pro (Rev. 1) motherboard from Newegg. I...

Usually 1 amp but just get a sata powered fan hub

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 7:43 PM

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vast meadow Nah 11400 is only scalped in us, it's good everywhere else, obvs popular enough,...

Yeah I guess 11400 is pretty decent

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:46 PM

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11500 aight too

gilded jewel Oct 3, 2021, 7:52 PM

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uh what's the difference between b550, b560, and z590

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:54 PM

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gilded jewel uh what's the difference between b550, b560, and z590

B550 is amd, b560 and z590 are intel, z590 allows you to overclock the cpu b560 doesn't

gilded jewel Oct 3, 2021, 7:55 PM

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can I ask what the difference between b550 and x570?

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thank you so much

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:56 PM

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No problem, x570 has more pcie 4.0 lanes but usually b550 boards have better vrms bar a few very expensive x570s

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Vrms are power delivery btw

gilded jewel Oct 3, 2021, 7:56 PM

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so would b550 be better for more budget side?

digital kernel Oct 3, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Yup

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Yes

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Just make sure it has bios flash

gilded jewel Oct 3, 2021, 7:58 PM

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which b550 motherboards would you guys recommend for under 200 cad (250 usd)

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cpu would be amd 5 5600g

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no gpu for now

digital kernel Oct 3, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Do you need WiFi?

gilded jewel Oct 3, 2021, 8:05 PM

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no wifi needed

digital kernel Oct 3, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Okay

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Fun fact, the WiFi model is cheaper than the non WiFi rn

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@gilded jewel https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 8:07 PM

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gilded jewel which b550 motherboards would you guys recommend for under 200 cad (250 usd)

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi this will do, https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/9PDkcf/msi-mag-b550m-mortar-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-mag-b550m-mortar this for bit more premium, better upgrade path if you fancy going to 5800x/5900x but I'd grab the first

MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard

MSI MAG B550M MORTAR Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard

gilded jewel Oct 3, 2021, 8:09 PM

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oh ok thank you

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 8:14 PM

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Np

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:22 PM

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question

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what would a gold cpu be like?

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since gold is the most conductive metal?

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 9:23 PM

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cpus already use gold pins soo

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 9:23 PM

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burnt spear since gold is the most conductive metal?

it wouldn't work for that reason

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the who reason we use semiconductors is because of the semi part

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:24 PM

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too much power would break it or smthn?

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 9:24 PM

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since it only conducts electricity sometimes, that allows us to make logic gates

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 9:24 PM

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burnt spear too much power would break it or smthn?

electricity just flows through, there won't be any logic to it

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:24 PM

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thanks

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Would just be "on" or "off" cpu lol

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:24 PM

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then what would be the next advancement for cpus?

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since theoretically 3nm is the closest they can become

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the capacitors or whatever

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Smaller semiconductors/transistors

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:25 PM

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those ^^

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can never remember the names

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 9:25 PM

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burnt spear since theoretically 3nm is the closest they can become

Noo

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 9:25 PM

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@burnt spear old and out of date image but still, to give you an idea of how not-simple it is

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:26 PM

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ima be honest

vast meadow Oct 3, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Intel is moving to 20 angstroms soon enough which is 2nm

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 9:26 PM

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that's a transistor on 35nm node

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:26 PM

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i have no clue what im looking at

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oh

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:26 PM

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vast meadow Intel is moving to 20 angstroms soon enough which is 2nm

really? i was having a convo with my brother a bit ago and we ended up going to google

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 9:26 PM

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well 35nm min gate length or whatever, close nuff

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:26 PM

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google said 3nm was the closest they could get

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interesting

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google is often wrong

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 9:26 PM

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burnt spear google said 3nm was the closest they could get

ibm already made a 2nm chip

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/16656/ibm-creates-first-2nm-chip

IBM Creates First 2nm Chip

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but well

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these measurements are wacky

digital kernel Oct 3, 2021, 9:27 PM

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burnt spear since gold is the most conductive metal?

Gold isn't the most conductive metal either

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 9:27 PM

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different people measure gate length and such differently

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:27 PM

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wait silver is?

digital kernel Oct 3, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Silver, then copper, then gold

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:28 PM

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i thought copper was just used more often since its cheaper

digital kernel Oct 3, 2021, 9:28 PM

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It is, and it's also more conductive

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:28 PM

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apparently

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then what's the benefit of gold pins over copper/silver?

digital kernel Oct 3, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Gold doesn't corrode, copper and silver pins would get covered in a thin oxide layer over time and not form a reliable connection anymore

burnt spear Oct 3, 2021, 9:29 PM

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ah

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interesting

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ive had a fair share of stupid questions recently lmao

digital kernel Oct 3, 2021, 9:30 PM

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That wasn't a stupid question, it was a very thoughtful question

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You had a piece of information, made a possible connection, and decided to find out more

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 9:50 PM

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yes, did a good thing

split copper Oct 3, 2021, 9:52 PM

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now you can coat the pins in gold so you can form a reliable connection thinkies

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Copper is more conductive than gold at tiny scales, that's why we still use copper for the tiny interconnects on chips

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Cobalt is used in some places though, I believe mostly to interconnect silicon surfaces to conductors

grizzled bloom Oct 3, 2021, 10:41 PM

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We also use copper in things that can be shielded from the elements, like cables

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 10:42 PM

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Also the "node size" doesn't really represent a physical dimension. The current 7nm nodes don't actually refer to a 7nm gate length. It's kinda complicated

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The future holds novel transistor topologies and layouts. We've been using FinFETs for a while, we'll be using GAAFETs (or RibbonFETs, or nanosheets, same concept, different branding)

grizzled bloom Oct 3, 2021, 10:43 PM

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That's why Intel changed their naming. Their gates are almost the same size even though they're measured differently.

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 10:46 PM

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New semiconductor materials would also be nice. Carbon nanotubes and buckyballs are great. Just not manufacturable (yet)

grizzled bloom Oct 3, 2021, 10:49 PM

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What do you think of the plastic CPU concept? Kinda interesting but limited in use imo

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This one https://www.anandtech.com/show/16837/plasticarm-get-your-next-cpu-without-silicon

PlasticArm: Get Your Next CPU, Made Without Silicon

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 11:28 PM

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ember marten The future holds novel transistor topologies and layouts. We've been using FinFE...

Surprisingly while Intel is going GAA for their '3nm' node, tsmc is staying on finfet for '3nm'

cyan raft Oct 3, 2021, 11:29 PM

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grizzled bloom This one https://www.anandtech.com/show/16837/plasticarm-get-your-next-cpu-witho...

It’s an interesting concept

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I wonder how it would affect prices of CPUs

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Maybe could make them more consistent with binning

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 11:30 PM

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hollow thorn Surprisingly while Intel is going GAA for their '3nm' node, tsmc is staying on f...

Yeah, it's not a huge surprise though. TSMC is forging forward with consistent execution. GAAFETs require IP to be redesigned, so waiting a bit longer allows IP vendors more time to design IP for GAAFET based nodes for their foundry partners

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Intel was all in house, and will still be mostly in house (for now) so that's not as much of an issue

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Tsmc does have to work with lots of different customers

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 11:31 PM

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hollow thorn Tsmc does have to work with lots of different customers

Customers and "partners"

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Lots of companies make IP compatible with TSMC nodes

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So you don't have to design every single thing on a SOC, you can integrate another company's design for some aspect

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 11:32 PM

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We all know apple kind of gets some preferential treatment

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But yea

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Like Xilinx (soon to be part of AMD) makes lots of IP for TSMC nodes. Like PCIE PHYs.

So if you're a small company making your own chips, and you need a PCIE interface but don't have the resources to design your own PHYs, you can license from a company like Xilinx who will sell you the IP to integrate a PHY into your chip design

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Hm

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 11:34 PM

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hollow thorn We all know apple kind of gets some preferential treatment

Yeah, that's another big thing. New nodes for TSMC are basically driven by Apple. Apple demands new nodes every year, and GAAFET is a significant change. It's maybe not guaranteed that they could have a working node with GAAFET by the time Apple wants N3

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 11:35 PM

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I wonder what path tsmc will take to integrate in gaafet into their lineup

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Like make n3+ gaafet?

digital kernel Oct 3, 2021, 11:35 PM

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hollow thorn Surprisingly while Intel is going GAA for their '3nm' node, tsmc is staying on f...

That is an interesting choice

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Heck, wonder if there'll any improvement beyond GAAFET

grizzled bloom Oct 3, 2021, 11:37 PM

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hollow thorn We all know apple kind of gets some preferential treatment

This is 100% true because the companies have to bid on fab time, and Apple bids the highest

hollow thorn Oct 3, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Yup

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@ember marten any ideas or news or rumors on what's beyond GAAFET? Perhaps someone creating a octagonal transistor?

ember marten Oct 3, 2021, 11:42 PM

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I don't really have any insight. I don't think there's going to be much beyond GAAFET for silicon. We'll see different numbers of sheets, different widths, etc. But the concept is the same; gate on all 4 sides of the channel, and you can't really increase that

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Beyond GAAFET will probably be novel materials (eg carbon nanotubes)

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But GAAFETs will be real nice for a while to go. You can really control a lot of the device characteristics with different configurations, so we'll see even more distinct, application specific transistor performance, which is largely a good thing

cunning ingot Oct 4, 2021, 1:18 AM

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brainfet when

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cursive epoch Oct 4, 2021, 1:41 AM

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lmao

split copper Oct 4, 2021, 1:43 AM

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elon mucks is probably trying to do that with neuronthink

cursive epoch Oct 4, 2021, 1:43 AM

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neurolink

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nah it's more like neuralink

timid vortex Oct 4, 2021, 3:45 AM

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Does anyone else own a Tuff x570 plus motherboard (and/or would be able to take a minute to help) Mines been running fine for over a year now and all of a sudden it won’t boot. Just got back from a trip to my PC just failing to boot

limber dragon Oct 4, 2021, 4:04 AM

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boot or post?

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failing post = clear cmos
failing to boot = bad OS/mem

timid vortex Oct 4, 2021, 4:16 AM

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Still fairly new. Built about a year ago. A white led(gpu “error”) stays on when starting up. Tried relocating to the other pcie port, new cables. My graphics card is running (heating up, and fans are running). Just wanted to know what options I had other than buy a new card

limber dragon Oct 4, 2021, 4:55 AM

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cleared cmos?

carmine lynx Oct 4, 2021, 6:10 AM

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I know this is a very dumb question but I was wondering how do I know how many case fans I can plug into a motherboard in this case I will be using 3 pin case fans and more then likely going to be grabbing a b550 aorus elite ax v2

dense frost Oct 4, 2021, 6:11 AM

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carmine lynx I know this is a very dumb question but I was wondering how do I know how many c...

Technically, there is no limit, if you use fan hubs. But, if you want to know how many fans you can directly connect to your motherboard, look at how many PWM connectors it has

carmine lynx Oct 4, 2021, 6:13 AM

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dense frost Technically, there is no limit, if you use fan hubs. But, if you want to know ho...

Alight thank you another question, if I were to get a fan hub there is a way to control the speed of the fans correct?

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I believe fan hub controllers but dunno how they work or exist

dense frost Oct 4, 2021, 6:13 AM

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most fan hubs connect to a PWM connector on your motherboard and

hollow thorn Oct 4, 2021, 6:14 AM

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Some like na-fc1 have a physical knob for rpm

dense frost Oct 4, 2021, 6:14 AM

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and you control all the fans connected to them through your motherboard

hollow thorn Oct 4, 2021, 6:14 AM

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Which is fun

carmine lynx Oct 4, 2021, 6:14 AM

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hollow thorn Some like na-fc1 have a physical knob for rpm

That sounds interesting

hollow thorn Oct 4, 2021, 6:14 AM

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Yes

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Na fc1 fun controller

carmine lynx Oct 4, 2021, 6:14 AM

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dense frost and you control all the fans connected to them through your motherboard

Gotcha thank you

dense frost Oct 4, 2021, 6:16 AM

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hollow thorn Some like na-fc1 have a physical knob for rpm

https://www.newegg.com/p/1XV-00FP-006D3?Description=fan controller 5.25&cm_re=fan_controller 5.25-_-9SIAXPYEVU9301-_-Product

why settle for one nob?

hollow thorn Oct 4, 2021, 6:18 AM

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@dense frost because those knobs aren't on a tiny overbuilt fan controller

devout mothBOT Oct 4, 2021, 1:39 PM

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jovial ledge Oct 4, 2021, 2:20 PM

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hello guys

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i upgraded my pc to r5 4600

rocky beacon Oct 4, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Ryzen 5 4600 is not a thing for desktops?

vast meadow Oct 4, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Did you mean either 4650g? Or 3600?

jovial ledge Oct 4, 2021, 2:23 PM

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rocky beacon Ryzen 5 4600 is not a thing for desktops?

4600h

vast meadow Oct 4, 2021, 2:23 PM

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That's a laptop cpu

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So you got a new laptop?

jovial ledge Oct 4, 2021, 2:23 PM

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vast meadow That's a laptop cpu

ya

jovial ledge Oct 4, 2021, 2:23 PM

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vast meadow So you got a new laptop?

yess

vast meadow Oct 4, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Right wouldn't consider that upgrading your pc but anyway continue with your question lol

jovial ledge Oct 4, 2021, 2:24 PM

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well , i replaced my pc with a new laptop

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i bought it 2016

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it was i5 6th gen 8 gb ram and gtx 1650 super

vast meadow Oct 4, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Nice

wintry girder Oct 4, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Would the 10100f stock cooler be sufficient enough?

vast meadow Oct 4, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Yeah not very pleasing on the eye tho

wintry girder Oct 4, 2021, 5:04 PM

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As long as it gets the job done, im not too concerned about how it looks

pearl shale Oct 4, 2021, 5:07 PM

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quick confirmation question. If I put in a 3200 and a 3000 MHz ram stick in my mobo, will the mobo decrease the speed of the 3200 to match the lower speed stick?

burnt spear Oct 4, 2021, 5:12 PM

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pearl shale quick confirmation question. If I put in a 3200 and a 3000 MHz ram stick in my m...

Yes

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Just make sure the dies are compatible

pearl shale Oct 4, 2021, 5:12 PM

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gotcha, thx

burnt spear Oct 4, 2021, 5:13 PM

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I mixed incompatible ram kits

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Corrupted windows

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Had to wipe both my drives to fix it

pearl shale Oct 4, 2021, 5:18 PM

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yikes, i just recently had to reinstall windows too from corruption lmao

grizzled bloom Oct 4, 2021, 5:19 PM

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Wait, my windows is acting up too...
Coincidence with the timing of windows 11 launch? Maybe

burnt spear Oct 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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grizzled bloom Wait, my windows is acting up too... Coincidence with the timing of windows 11 l...

Nah mine was like 4 months agk

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Caused by conflicting ram

grizzled bloom Oct 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Shh I'm trying to spread conspiracy theories

burnt spear Oct 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Fair

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Intel ceo is actually a lizard person

grizzled bloom Oct 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Bezos is an alien, that's why he's so obsessed with space. Plus bald.

burnt spear Oct 4, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Can confirm

vernal cosmos Oct 4, 2021, 5:44 PM

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grizzled bloom Wait, my windows is acting up too... Coincidence with the timing of windows 11 l...

Bro its the aliens

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im telling you

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they causing cosmic ray bit flipping

grizzled bloom Oct 4, 2021, 5:56 PM

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That would be a pretty simple thing to do in theory, just toss some energy at a star and watch the fireworks

upper aspen Oct 5, 2021, 12:31 AM

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What is the best CPU (for gaming) I can put in a b460?

solar marsh Oct 5, 2021, 12:33 AM

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quick question, does the asus prime b450-a have tmp 2.0?

grizzled bloom Oct 5, 2021, 12:49 AM

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solar marsh quick question, does the asus prime b450-a have tmp 2.0?

Not on the motherboard, no. It would be built into the cpu. You need a 2000 series minimum.

solar marsh Oct 5, 2021, 12:49 AM

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o then i should be ok

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i got a 3000 series

grizzled bloom Oct 5, 2021, 12:50 AM

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upper aspen What is the best CPU (for gaming) I can put in a b460?

You could in theory put an 11900k on there, it just won't work at its full potential.
Any 10th or 11th gen cpu will do.

upper aspen Oct 5, 2021, 12:51 AM

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WAIT

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b460 supports 11th gen

upper aspen Oct 5, 2021, 12:52 AM

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grizzled bloom You could in theory put an 11900k on there, it just won't work at its full poten...

11gen fits lga 1200?

grizzled bloom Oct 5, 2021, 12:52 AM

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Yes

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You might need to update bios first

upper aspen Oct 5, 2021, 12:53 AM

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yeah thats fine

west sun Oct 5, 2021, 4:34 AM

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can someone recommend a cpu and a motherboard for a rtx 3060 ti?

cursive epoch Oct 5, 2021, 4:37 AM

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west sun can someone recommend a cpu and a motherboard for a rtx 3060 ti?

What's your budget and what are you planning to use for? Like gaming or

west sun Oct 5, 2021, 4:37 AM

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gaming mostly

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budget hmm like 500$

cursive epoch Oct 5, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Okie, country?

west sun Oct 5, 2021, 4:38 AM

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egypt

cursive epoch Oct 5, 2021, 4:39 AM

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Hmn I can't really help with that, maybe check newegg, they do ship there

west sun Oct 5, 2021, 4:40 AM

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aight thank you.

grizzled bloom Oct 5, 2021, 4:42 AM

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Something B560 with a 10400, 10600, 11400, 11500, or 11600 would be ideal in your budget with shipping in mind

west sun Oct 5, 2021, 4:46 AM

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grizzled bloom Something B560 with a 10400, 10600, 11400, 11500, or 11600 would be ideal in you...

ty

burnt spear Oct 5, 2021, 10:23 AM

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I second what falcie said

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Any 10th/11th gen intel is perfect for a 3060 ti

signal kite Oct 5, 2021, 2:40 PM

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Should I sell my 3700x and msi x470 gaming plus mobo for something better to go with my 3080ti? Gaming at 1440p 165hz.

burnt spear Oct 5, 2021, 2:51 PM

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signal kite Should I sell my 3700x and msi x470 gaming plus mobo for something better to go ...

You could throw a 5600x in that mobo I think

vast meadow Oct 5, 2021, 3:04 PM

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signal kite Should I sell my 3700x and msi x470 gaming plus mobo for something better to go ...

Nah i wouldn't 3700x should do fine

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I'd wait for 12th gen/13th gen intel or ryzen 6000

grizzled bloom Oct 5, 2021, 3:50 PM

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signal kite Should I sell my 3700x and msi x470 gaming plus mobo for something better to go ...

That's the same mobo I use, and it's a great board. No need to upgrade, there's no features interesting enough to warrant going from your current setup to one generation higher. 3700X is still solid, especially at 1440p.

long geyser Oct 5, 2021, 4:15 PM

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upper aspen b460 supports 11th gen

Do be warned that b460 doesnt have mem OC support. Mem is locked to pretty low speeds that do significantly affect perf

solid mesa Oct 5, 2021, 7:03 PM

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What a good mobo for a ryzen 5 5600x that’s 150 or less

vast meadow Oct 5, 2021, 7:17 PM

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solid mesa What a good mobo for a ryzen 5 5600x that’s 150 or less

msi b550 pro vdh (wifi), asus tuf b550, are safe bets rest depend on what country/currency youre talking about b550 aourus elite/pro are also decent shouts most of the time

signal kite Oct 5, 2021, 7:19 PM

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If available, is an Ethernet cable always better than WiFi?

solid mesa Oct 5, 2021, 7:35 PM

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Ok got a new case mobo and fans

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Do I need to get windows 10 agin?

hollow thorn Oct 5, 2021, 7:52 PM

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Shouldn't, but sometimes it ties the key to Mobo, so you could tie key to Microsoft account just in case

vast meadow Oct 5, 2021, 8:05 PM

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signal kite If available, is an Ethernet cable always better than WiFi?

yes

hollow thorn Oct 5, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Unless the Ethernet cable is broken

vast meadow Oct 5, 2021, 8:06 PM

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well assuming its working lol

hollow thorn Oct 5, 2021, 8:07 PM

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(the cable could just be broken if you get like 3kbps on Ethernet but like 5mbps on wifi)

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That kinda thing

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Sometimes Ethernet port/controller dead

vast meadow Oct 5, 2021, 8:07 PM

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assuming nothing broke, always better

thorny cobalt Oct 5, 2021, 8:55 PM

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I just picked up a B450 Tomahawk and really like it, got mine for about 150, may be able to get a better deal on one

vast meadow Oct 5, 2021, 9:02 PM

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You paid 150 for a b450 tomahawk in 2021 steveconfused

mild jackal Oct 5, 2021, 9:09 PM

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sad

rocky beacon Oct 5, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Friend just bought one refurb for like $60 for a super budget build

naive pendant Oct 5, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Ive been obsessed with the X79 and X99 platform for the past year, and hte onyl builds ive done were n tyhose platforms

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wow i had a stroke halfway through there

rocky beacon Oct 5, 2021, 9:18 PM

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I really want to get one of those Chinese X99 boards

naive pendant Oct 5, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Actually Ive worked with them

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As long as you know which are actually good, those good boards, are pretty good lol

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They can be finicky and weird sometimes, but thosep articular ones work well. Im talking about the X99 TF mainly, and the others that Huananzhi offers. Jingsha also offers good x99 boards

coarse plank Oct 5, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Got selected for a shuffle bundle with an amd mobo which I have never looked into before as I’ve always researched intel. Any thoughts on the “GIGABYTE X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AMD Motherboard”?

worthy atlas Oct 5, 2021, 11:29 PM

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no usb c apparently

solar marsh Oct 6, 2021, 12:11 AM

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how do i enable tpm 2.0 on asus prime b450-a?

grizzled bloom Oct 6, 2021, 12:23 AM

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coarse plank Got selected for a shuffle bundle with an amd mobo which I have never looked int...

They're actually decent mobos

thorny cobalt Oct 6, 2021, 1:18 AM

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CPU is starting to a creep up to 90

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It hit 85 👀

finite elm Oct 6, 2021, 1:19 AM

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Ew

thorny cobalt Oct 6, 2021, 2:12 AM

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87 is the new high lol

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I’m getting a little worried now that it’s hovering around 83

burnt spear Oct 6, 2021, 4:04 AM

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thorny cobalt I’m getting a little worried now that it’s hovering around 83

what cpu?

thorny cobalt Oct 6, 2021, 4:04 AM

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5600X

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Stock cooler

burnt spear Oct 6, 2021, 4:05 AM

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ah yeah

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toasty

thorny cobalt Oct 6, 2021, 4:05 AM

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It shouldn’t be tasked that much with CS Go, I mean my case is shit, prebuilt

burnt spear Oct 6, 2021, 4:05 AM

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what build?

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also the pre built i had had a heatsink worse than a stock

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i got like 88 on a 3600 playing valorant

thorny cobalt Oct 6, 2021, 4:53 AM

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Ooh sorry I haven’t responded lol

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So, I have a brand new 5600X CPU, brand new B450 Tomahawk Max mobo, brand new 16 gigs G Skills Ripjaws DDR4 3400 Ram, and an RX580 GPU, along with a 1 tb Hard Drive, no SSD yet, and a 600 watt EVGA power supply

dense frost Oct 6, 2021, 6:11 AM

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pics of your case and fan setup?

quick jetty Oct 6, 2021, 11:03 AM

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It seems like gigabytes mobos have a lot of QC issues

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Are gigabyte mobos reliable

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Vrm thermal performance looks promising

dense frost Oct 6, 2021, 11:05 AM

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I think you need to look at it on a per model basis.

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Sometimes a manufacturer makes a bad product, sometimes they do good.

quick jetty Oct 6, 2021, 11:06 AM

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model wide and in general way gigabyte mobos seems to have a lot of QC isssues

dense frost Oct 6, 2021, 11:06 AM

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where are you getting your data?

quick jetty Oct 6, 2021, 11:06 AM

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Even their flagship x570 aorus master has QC issues

quick jetty Oct 6, 2021, 11:07 AM

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dense frost where are you getting your data?

Amazon 1* rating, reddit

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There were many cases like mobo dying in 3 months, 6 months or so

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I agree there is no brand without a single QC issue

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It's even impossible to have it

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But it's looks concerning with gigabytes qc

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Again I m a big fan of their vrm performance and the price range they are providing but QC is the only setback for me

dense frost Oct 6, 2021, 11:10 AM

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Oh, apparently thei RMA process is very bad.

burnt spear Oct 6, 2021, 11:11 AM

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Gigabyte rma I've heard is awful

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Hopefully I don't have to rma my gpu

hazy swan Oct 6, 2021, 11:18 AM

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anyone who has a bf450 motherboard know if it can support the Ryzen 5 5600g?
or ryzen 7 3800 XT?

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currently have a ryzen 5 2600 if that helps?

dense frost Oct 6, 2021, 11:20 AM

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hazy swan anyone who has a bf450 motherboard know if it can support the Ryzen 5 5600g? or ...

you need to check the specific motheboard site

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but it should be able to

hazy swan Oct 6, 2021, 11:21 AM

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thank you!

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 11:38 AM

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quick jetty Even their flagship x570 aorus master has QC issues

X570 aren't really flagship tbh apart from the like 300-400$ boards, b550 is usually better

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 11:38 AM

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quick jetty Are gigabyte mobos reliable

In my experience yes

quick jetty Oct 6, 2021, 11:38 AM

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vast meadow X570 aren't really flagship tbh apart from the like 300-400$ boards, b550 is usu...

I was saying as an example

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As that's their costly mobo

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I am looking forward to buy b550 master

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But QC issues is the only step back for me

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 11:40 AM

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hazy swan anyone who has a bf450 motherboard know if it can support the Ryzen 5 5600g? or ...

Which b450? Technically all can just need to update bios but i wouldn't trust some boards, also why 5600g when 5600x same price and better just doesn't have integrated graphics

quick jetty Oct 6, 2021, 11:40 AM

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Though there isn't any other mobo in that range with that sort of vrm performance

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 11:40 AM

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Wdym?

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What range

quick jetty Oct 6, 2021, 11:40 AM

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230$

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Around 200

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 11:43 AM

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Msi b550 gaming edge wifi

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B550 rog f

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Are other options i can think of off the top of my head

hazy swan Oct 6, 2021, 12:01 PM

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vast meadow Which b450? Technically all can just need to update bios but i wouldn't trust so...

MSI tomahawk b450

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 12:13 PM

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hazy swan MSI tomahawk b450

Yeah you could stick a 5600x on there with a bios update

hazy swan Oct 6, 2021, 12:13 PM

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so i now need a surge protector Xd, my apartment has been having power cuts so often

humble pelican Oct 6, 2021, 12:25 PM

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Does any one know if ASUS Prime B550M-A WiFi will support a AMD Ryzen 5 5600G without upgrading the bios?

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 12:29 PM

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humble pelican Does any one know if ASUS Prime B550M-A WiFi will support a AMD Ryzen 5 5600G wi...

It probably will, depends how long the board has been sitting on the shelf tbh, but the b550m lets you update it without the cpu working first using bios flash

humble pelican Oct 6, 2021, 12:32 PM

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That's supposed to be a button the on the motherboard, I haven't been able to see it on all the pictures I found

glossy wave Oct 6, 2021, 12:47 PM

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Is it possible to get TPM support on a ASUS z170 mobo?

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Searching for options on how to upgrade for windows 11

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 12:57 PM

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humble pelican That's supposed to be a button the on the motherboard, I haven't been able to se...

If you look at the manual it will show you what to do, it says like "usb method" i believe

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 1:01 PM

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glossy wave Is it possible to get TPM support on a ASUS z170 mobo?

Ehh what cpu are you running? No point getting tpm if your CPU isn't supported

glossy wave Oct 6, 2021, 1:02 PM

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Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6600K CPU @ 3.50GHz 3.50 GHz

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 1:03 PM

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glossy wave Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6600K CPU @ 3.50GHz 3.50 GHz

Yeah. your CPU isn't supported by windows 11

glossy wave Oct 6, 2021, 1:03 PM

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So i couldnt just upgrade CPU i would also need a Mobo

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 1:03 PM

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glossy wave So i couldnt just upgrade CPU i would also need a Mobo

Yep new CPU motherboard and you'd want new ram most likely, what ram do you have?

glossy wave Oct 6, 2021, 1:04 PM

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probubly need new one

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Any advise on a good budget gaming PC?

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 1:05 PM

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glossy wave Any advise on a good budget gaming PC?

Why you need a whole new pc? And what's your definition of budget?

glossy wave Oct 6, 2021, 1:06 PM

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Just any reccomendations

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1000$ budget

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 1:07 PM

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@glossy wave but why a whole new pc? Why not keep your gpu case power supply etc? What's in the rest of your build

glossy wave Oct 6, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Ill check it out

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Thanks, mobo and cpu

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sorry mt.. yea just mobo and cpu reccomendations would help

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 1:09 PM

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5600x and a b550, and possibly a new cooler are you in the us?

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Actually

glossy wave Oct 6, 2021, 1:09 PM

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yrs

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 1:09 PM

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Can you send me your pc in https://pcpartpicker.com/list

System Builder

wintry girder Oct 6, 2021, 1:11 PM

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Does windows 11 support the 10100f?

rocky beacon Oct 6, 2021, 1:12 PM

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Yes

glossy wave Oct 6, 2021, 1:32 PM

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@balmy cloak https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G6fyJf

System Builder

humble pelican Oct 6, 2021, 1:34 PM

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Can I return mb if the bios is incompatible with cpu?

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Documentation specifies it needs to b able to boot therefore cpu required

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 1:36 PM

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@glossy wave i would do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wDHGK3

System Builder

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 1:36 PM

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humble pelican Documentation specifies it needs to b able to boot therefore cpu required

What motherboard do you have and what cpu?

humble pelican Oct 6, 2021, 1:37 PM

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ASUS Prime B550M-A WiFi and AMD Ryzen 5 5600G

vast meadow Oct 6, 2021, 1:43 PM

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humble pelican ASUS Prime B550M-A WiFi and AMD Ryzen 5 5600G

Yeah if you can't manage to update your bios, yeah you can

humble pelican Oct 6, 2021, 1:43 PM

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vast meadow Yeah if you can't manage to update your bios, yeah you can

Thanks