cpus-mobo-and-memory

[vernal cosmos]

Actually

I might be able to get it down

maybe

because i did trfc and trfc 2 together

[limber dragon]

you're at jedec, so you should be able to

trfc2 and 4 does nothing

[grizzled bloom]

Ehh, 313ns leaves room for improvement but not a lot on c-die

[vernal cosmos]

lowering 2 or 4 no boot

[limber dragon]

okay?

trcdwr doesnt do anything either, and setting it lower may cause you not to boot

[grizzled bloom]

DRAM calc 😛

[vernal cosmos]

Ahh I see

[vernal cosmos]

Honestly at this point I dont really trust anything 1usmus makes

[grizzled bloom]

That part of the calculator is just a literal simple calculator

You plug in numbers and it spits out the matching sets

[vernal cosmos]

oh wow

[limber dragon]

that's just going off jedec differences between trfc/2/4

tRFC 2 = tRFC / 1.346
tRFC 4 = tRFC 2 / 1.625

[grizzled bloom]

Exactly, just a simple calculator

[vernal cosmos]

That just furthers my point

1usmus bad

especially CTR

[grizzled bloom]

It's not saying that someone could run these settings, it's saying if you were to run these settings that's what the pairs would be

[vernal cosmos]

Thats dumb

[grizzled bloom]

You have to seek that part out and know what it means, so it's one of those "good place to start" tools

It's under "additional calculators" with a VTT voltage calc and RTL/IO-L calc

[vernal cosmos]

OOOORRRRRR

you can ping fitz and have an easier time with it

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe I don't want to ping Fitz for everything and I like figuring things out

[vast meadow]

Not everyone on the interwebs has a personal techie to help them lol

[grizzled bloom]

The guy has a life too outside this discord

[vernal cosmos]

Very true

[vast meadow]

Fitz doesn't serve my every need?

https://tenor.com/view/teresa-giudice-rhonj-real-housewives-gif-9728056

[vernal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-gloop-bfb-bfdi-roblox-gif-19639937

[limber dragon]

wait, dram calc has rtl and iol values?

[limber dragon]

never seen options in bios for them lmao

unless its "dram calc for intel"

[vast meadow]

Well fal has a 5800x afaik soo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grizzled bloom]

I mean I did just post my zentimings

but that wouldn't stop someone from using an intel calc on ryzen

[limber dragon]

I've just never seen rtl and iol on asus/msi/giga am4

its on intel 100%

[hollow thorn]

Fitz will now become designated interwebs techie

What about ASRock?

[vast meadow]

thank you much better

[limber dragon]

never checked, and dont want to pay more than $10 for an asrock board

[vernal cosmos]

perfect

[limber dragon]

an hour ago I got a call for a job at geek squad

[vernal cosmos]

Take it.

[hollow thorn]

What if

Everyone in wegg donated 1$ to fitz

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/money-donald-duck-cash-counting-gif-7263498

fitz after

[vernal cosmos]

https://discord.com/invite/newegg

almost 200k $

[limber dragon]

I'd have enough for intel 12th gen because intel wants 12vo, ddr5 and new socket

[split copper]

but not for new gpu

[vast meadow]

vo is great in theory butttttttt 💩

[hollow thorn]

But we don't have any real good 12vo products tho

[limber dragon]

12vo is fine, its just adoption tax

[hollow thorn]

As in, no major adopters yet

[vast meadow]

this and no psus yet lol

[limber dragon]

asrock had a z490 iirc

[hollow thorn]

Ye the z490 phantom 4s or whatever

[limber dragon]

and there are 12vo psus

[hollow thorn]

But iirc no good 12vo PSUs are out yet

Seasonic is working on one

And Corsair too iirc

[vast meadow]

yeah just random 12vo psus so far although they be working

[grizzled bloom]

I thought about applying for geek squad but apparently most of what they do is automated and I hate that

[vast meadow]

id assume so

[vast meadow]

find an IT support job in a big company lots of randomness

and improvising

[grizzled bloom]

Oh I did

Not exactly a "big" company, but big enough

I can do most of my tasks from home

Otherwise I'd just be sitting in my office doing nothing all day waiting for something to go wrong or updating something

[vast meadow]

Fair i did IT work in a college before covid but there was a bit of sitting around but i liked it tbf pretty chill it was a nice place as well so

[grizzled bloom]

It really tends to have bursts of activity followed by slow periods.
You need to work a 12 hour day twice in a row getting new features implemented and tested, another long day answering user complaints, then (if you do your job right) nothing but waiting and watching.

[patent glen]

whats up with laptop companies soldering 99% of the parts to the mobo

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/cash-money-juvenile-gif-13079781

[grizzled bloom]

They want you to buy a new laptop to upgrade

[limber dragon]

also less of a chance of something coming loose in transportation

[vast meadow]

Also not easily replaceable usually = more efficient space wise

[split copper]

not really no

maybe with lazy product design but it's not an issue

[vast meadow]

Engineers can be some of the laziest people but not laziest at same time XD

[split copper]

lol

my cousin

maybe idk

[vast meadow]

Not me spending 3hrs automating a task i could have done manually in 20mins

[split copper]

[grizzled bloom]

Lazy engineers always find some of the easiest ways to solve problems

[vast meadow]

True true, reminds me of the bill gates quote i think?

[calm coral]

is an i5 3470 good its from an old optiplex i have

[vast meadow]

I mean for an office machine its fine

[split copper]

basic 4c4t perf

I think some of the school computers at my old school had 3470s

don't expect much out of it, but still room for fun

[dusky totem]

How are oloy ram kits, I’ve heard they’ve got problems but what exactly?

[hollow thorn]

usual bargain bin memory things

it's still ram

[grizzled bloom]

They don't tend to overclock well and they don't always like Ryzen

[hollow thorn]

some won't hit rated xmp

it's what it is

[dusky totem]

Ah

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah XMP counts as an overclock for these purposes

[dusky totem]

No issues with stuttering right?

[hollow thorn]

uh what

[dusky totem]

Like stability issues

[grizzled bloom]

If it works for you then it works, memory itself shouldn't cause stuttering unless it's really slow

[hollow thorn]

not hitting xmp might cause performance issues

but that's not stability

stuttering isn't really a stability issue

it's just hardware

[dusky totem]

Stuttering wrong word, I mean problems other than performance

I don’t make sense D:

[hollow thorn]

if it can't hit xmp, and you enable xmp, you might have stability issues that way

[sleek gust]

Question.. my VGA light on my mobo won't turn off.. everything works fine gpu wise but the light is still on. I turned off fast startup in the bios and it worked for a day but is now back on. Ive also checked all the connections and re seated it in the slot.. Any ideas?

Build is Asus prime z390-a mobo msi 2060 super 9900k cpu trident z neo rm750x lmk if any other info is needed.

[grizzled bloom]

The setting under onboard devices stopped working then?

[cyan raft]

So I just installed my old mobo and cpu

It’s a i7 6700k but on idle it only runs at 800mHz

Temps are around 30 Celsius

[grizzled bloom]

Normal, Windows limits clock speed to conserve energy

[sleek gust]

I'll check it again..

[grizzled bloom]

#cpus-mobo-and-memory message

[cyan raft]

How do I disable that?

[grizzled bloom]

Set power plan to high performance

[cyan raft]

Ahh ok thanks

Imma be using this until I get my crosshair back so I want it to be working as best as it can

[sleek gust]

It's still set to fast boot disabled.

[grizzled bloom]

There's no option for RGB lighting under onboard devices?

[sleek gust]

Yeah. "When system is in working state" that's set to all on and "when system is in sleep,hibernate or soft off states" and that's set to stealth mode.

Only 2 options

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm odd

[sleek gust]

It goes back off if I restart the computer after 1st initial start up. Ots just bright and annoying lol

[sleek gust]

I'll figure it out. Even if it means coloring over that led with a paint marker lol

[mild birch]

Not true

[cursive epoch]

If stability is bad, it would just crash

Not stutter tho

Hence it doesn't click together

[hollow thorn]

Yes, stability issues can cause stuttering, but I'd say it's more often a performance issue.

[devout moth]

MEA╥Y#5282 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

MEA╥Y#5282 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[digital fern]

Anyone know a good motherboard under 120$ that has a decent bios to overclock the processor?

[vast meadow]

For amd or intel?

But for intel that's not really a thing

Also what gen motherboard?

Want a 10 year old oc mobo eBay 20$ XD

[digital fern]

Amd

[vast meadow]

What cpu?

[digital fern]

AMD ryzen 5 3600x

So a B450.

[vast meadow]

Do you have a motherboard already?

[digital fern]

Yea but it is bad rn, I need a new one.

[vast meadow]

What mobo you have rn?

[digital fern]

ASRock B450m HDV-R4.0

[vast meadow]

That's fine tbh

Just turn on precession boost overdrive

[digital fern]

Mkay,

[humble wasp]

hello

if the price of ram of 3200mhz same as 2666mhz but my MB run up to 2666mhz witch one i should buy ?

[elfin warren]

2666

Unless you plan on upgrading motherboard soon

[humble wasp]

they already says it will be changed to ddr5

[elfin warren]

The next Intel and AMD CPU's will be yes

End of this year first part of next

[vernal cosmos]

Bruh didnt you already ask this and get an answer from falcie and me yesterday?

[humble wasp]

yeah but i saw that both same prices thats y >_<\

[elfin warren]

3200 won't do you any good

So just get the 2666

[vast meadow]

3200 will run at 2666 tho if you try do xmp right?

Better resell value i guess

[humble wasp]

kk thnx

[gentle acorn]

Would I be able to plug this into my JUSB4 slot?

The instructions just says JUSB doesn’t say a number

And I can stick it in there it just doesn’t use all the pins

[grizzled bloom]

That doesn't look like the right connector, is that for a USB C port or something?

[gentle acorn]

Yeah

[grizzled bloom]

Ah yeah that won't work on a standard 3.0 header

[gentle acorn]

Alright

[grizzled bloom]

You need one of these headers

Or an adapter

[gentle acorn]

Alright

Thanks

Was mostly hoping I don’t have to use my GPU for VR and instead use the header on my case lol

[grizzled bloom]

On sale https://www.amazon.com/JoyReken-Internal-Motherboard-Key-Adapter/dp/B08GYFCNK9

[gentle acorn]

Cool thanks

[frosty bronze]

ayo can someone help me plz, my pc keeps power cycling

[gentle acorn]

Oh wait with that one I wouldn’t be able to use my other USB slots lmao

[grizzled bloom]

What do you mean? It would go in that JUSB4 slot

[gentle acorn]

Oh

It looked like my other connector

[frosty bronze]

Can somebody halp plz? I keep getting a dram error on my pc and it keeps cycling

[grizzled bloom]

Ah DRAM error

CMOS clear

[frosty bronze]

kk i'll try

[gentle acorn]

Figured out why it looks similar didn’t notice the other connector was called JUSB3 lol

[frosty bronze]

Bro the CMOS reset didn't work

The mobo light goes from cpu very quickly to DRAM

[grizzled bloom]

If you have 2 sticks of RAM, remove one and see if it boots. If not, try the other.

[frosty bronze]

I tried that too

no work auuugh

is there anything else I can do?

[grizzled bloom]

Test another kit of memory

[frosty bronze]

I don't have another kit unfortunately, I was using all these parts before but had to get mobo rma'd

so this kit I had used before

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe try reseating the CPU

[frosty bronze]

ok i'll try that

Nothing bro, I also checked if the lga pins were bent, they were not

Wait hol up, wtf is the tkg connector, not the cpu power one, I have one dangling and have no clue where it goes

That might be it lol but I have no clue where it goes

[main pulsar]

thats for floppy drives

[frosty bronze]

Ah

I already ddisconnected cpu power and it still won't boot

it keeps giving me a DRAM light

when its plugged in

so the cpu isn't dead, but idk whats causing the power cycles

Dafaq

It turns on now but no video output

[eager lance]

Had problems with no hdmi signal, tried taking my ram out putting it back in and I think I was too aggressive since my ram wasn’t snapping in properly

Now my computer doesn’t even boot, is it more likely the ram slot that I broke (motherboard) or the ram

[vast meadow]

is hdmi connected to motherboard or gpu? are fans spinning? try boot with just 1 stick of ram in every slot , then change sticks if not boot still, and clear cmos if that doesnt work

[frosty bronze]

Can somebody help me I tried to install windows but now it just blue-screens and fails to install, while taking like 10 minutes to give me access to the bios, this is with a new installation media

[cyan raft]

So I finished setting up my old mobo and cpu but now my mouse doesn’t feel as smooth as it used to

Any suggestions on a fix?

The cpu is an I7 6700k

[mild birch]

No

That’s not true

If it’s a correctable error

Such as WHEA19

[devout moth]

Arshia#2457 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mild birch]

It’s gonna spam the crap out of itself trying to log itself

[limber dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-church-lady-shame-on-you-tisk-gif-13465332

[mild birch]

This often locks up drivers or PC for fractions of a second, leading to tonnes of stuttering

ex. Stuttering as a result of instability causes 70ns+ reading in Aida on Zen3 if WHEA19 event is being spammed

[cursive epoch]

mhmm

Fair enough

[frosty bronze]

Can somebody help me I tried to install windows but now it just blue-screens and fails to install, while taking like 10 minutes to give me access to the bios, this is with a new installation media

[restive lodge]

Does it give you any codes?

[eager lance]

I can’t worry about hdmi at the moment, I’ll try 1 ram stick in every slot, fans don’t turn on or anything it’s basically meaning less to turn power button on, also how do I clear cmos

[dry nacelle]

Easiest way is to remove the battery on the mobo if your mobo doesn't have a cmos button

[glass plover]

I have a Asus tuf gaming x570 plus wifi and I'm kinda worried I'm not going to have enough fan headers for my 240 mm AIO cooler bc my case is gonna come with 4 fans

[vast meadow]

Unplug the pc, remove the battery, wait 5 mins then put it back in

[vast meadow]

If you don't have enough headers get a fan hub

[dense frost]

depending on which AIO you get, it might come with a fan splitter cable included

[elfin epoch]

Is game boosting recommended?

[vast meadow]

Auto game boosters? Nah they might just close the odd background program, and some, like Nvidias one will change the setting, but they wont be the actual best settings for performance just recommend settings probs

[burnt spear]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/nm707g/usanj_h_gtx_1060_6gb_ryzen_7_5800x_samsung_500gb/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share this guy's selling a 5800x for 300

I wish I could

[vast meadow]

Damm that's a steal

[burnt spear]

Yeah, I've seen some for 345 but nothing that low. Also seen a few 5600x for around 250

It's a nice sub for buying and selling stuff, much better than ebay

Bc at the very least you don't have to pay ebay fees

[vast meadow]

230-250 is what the msrp should have been for 5600x anyway imo

But yeah ntb

[burnt spear]

Seen a lot of 3070s for sub 1300

Which is still crazy

But better than ebay

[burnt spear]

Yeah agreed

It really isn't much better than the 3600

Around 8%?

[vast meadow]

Nooooo tbf it kicks the 3600s ass

[burnt spear]

Not worth upgrading from a 3600 to it though

The only one that's really worth it would be to a 5900x imo, even the 5800x isn't 30% better

And the 3600 is fine for even a 3080 at 4k

[vast meadow]

It's about 25% better than the 3600

[burnt spear]

Wait really?

From what I was seeing it wasn't even close to that

[burnt spear]

Yeah im seeing the same thing

But still, you won't notice much of a difference unless you have a 3080 at 1080p

A 3600 is fine for ever a 3070 at 1080p high refresh rate gaming

[vast meadow]

I mean i never think it's worth side grading from 1 gen to the next

I mean of you went from 3600 to 5800x now that would be worth

[burnt spear]

I've got a 5000 series board and when it's time to upgrade I might go to a 5900x, just since I'd rather do thay than upgrade my board as well

And the 5900x will prolly be more than fine for the 4000 series gpus

Tho I prolly won't upgrade till 5000

Idk that's a while away

[hollow thorn]

3070 at 1080p will show a difference tbh

1080p you're really CPU bottlenecked nowadays

even 3060ti you'll see a difference I'd say

[burnt spear]

5-7% with a 3600

I've looked into it a good bit

[hollow thorn]

depends on game of course

but most non-aaa games will see a difference

[burnt spear]

Since I'm debating trading my 3060 to+cash to a 3070, just for a bit more performance for streaming

[hollow thorn]

I could go look for testing later

[dense frost]

agree with this... new series + 1 step up in level at least

[burnt spear]

Anyways I'm probably gonna oc it a bit if I do end up getting a 3070

[hollow thorn]

eh

Yes this is 1080p high with a 3080 and with already very high fps, but just to show the point in CPU bound situations, up to 50% gain from 3600 to 5600x

[burnt spear]

I was saying with a 3070

Not a 3080

[hollow thorn]

Yes

but I'm showing the difference

and I already acknowledged that it's a 3080

[vast meadow]

3070 oc isn't hugely far away from a 3080 btw

[burnt spear]

https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070/amd-ryzen-5-3600/

[dense frost]

tell me more

[hollow thorn]

the heck

[burnt spear]

https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/ultra/?lang=en&currency=usd

[vast meadow]

Hold up lemme grab my oc'd 3070 and compare it to a 3080 non oc in timespy

[hollow thorn]

but 3080 stock is like what, 20% over 3070

what the heck

what is that site doing

[burnt spear]

5600x is def better, but not worth upgrading from a 3600 if you have a 3070

[vast meadow]

Yeah but you can overclock a 3070 pretty good

[hollow thorn]

wat

[vast meadow]

Bruh

[hollow thorn]

I don't think that's how it works

:P

[vast meadow]

That's dumb as hell

[vast meadow]

Maybe using 2133cl22 memory on Ryzen

[burnt spear]

anyways, the point is with a bit of an oc on a 3600 its fine for a 3070

[hollow thorn]

we weren't trying to argue with that

we were trying to say 5600x is decently better

can we agree on that?

[burnt spear]

its better, yes theres no argument against that

but theres no reason to upgrade to it

unless you have a 3080

[hollow thorn]

alright, we have reached an agreement then

5600x is better than 3600, but 3600 is fine in general

[burnt spear]

i never disagreed with that

lmao

[hollow thorn]

it's been resolved, and that's all that matters

[burnt spear]

so i need an opinion on smthn different

in a little bit im going to have two options

either upgrade to a 5800x from a 3600, or upgrade from my 3060 ti to a 3070

im thinking 3070

since gaming

[vast meadow]

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20180021 my 3070 oc

[burnt spear]

but my friend disagrees

[hollow thorn]

what resolution?

[burnt spear]

1080p 144hz but i also have a 1440p 75hz

id also need to buy a better cpu cooler for a 5800x

[hollow thorn]

neither cares too much about GPU

What all do you do?

[burnt spear]

?

[vast meadow]

Average 3080 is 17650

[burnt spear]

gaming mostly

actually only

valorant (non demanding) but when i try to stream warzone/cold war i need to turn settings down

[hollow thorn]

monitor upgrade and gpu upgrade

[burnt spear]

or else it drops to 40fps

[hollow thorn]

excuse me what

[burnt spear]

i wish

[hollow thorn]

which monitor do you game on?

[burnt spear]

1440p 144hz is so expensive

the 1080p one

wait its 165hz

[hollow thorn]

1440p170hz is 310$ >:P

M27q op

[burnt spear]

yeah ik

if im upgrading gpu i wont have the money to upgrade monitor

its a bit of a story

but ima have around 300$ to spend, maybe a bit more

[vast meadow]

5800x anyday way bigger jump than 3060 ti to 3070

[hollow thorn]

I mean

40fps at 1080p with a 3060ti does NOT sound right

are you using NVENC?

[burnt spear]

my thinking is id rather have a good match than a 5800x which is way above 3060 ti performance

yeah i am

and it gets arouind 80fps at cold war max settings normally

[vast meadow]

Not really there's like a 10% perf diff from 3060 ti to 3070

[burnt spear]

tho tbf i havent played it in a while since i upgraded to a b550 and a real psu instead of a thermaltake

[hollow thorn]

Like when I'm streaming at 1080p on warzone, I still get like ~120fps with a 2070 with mostly high settings

[burnt spear]

i wonder if the gpus faulty

its a gigabyte, it came in a pre built

would i be able to register the warranty and RMA it?

[hollow thorn]

I mean, you got 3dmark?

try running some benchmark

[vast meadow]

Don't rma a gpu ATM you'll be waiting months

[burnt spear]

nah but i can install it

[hollow thorn]

run the trial 3dmark time spy then

[hollow thorn]

also, your cpu score seems a bit on the low end...

[burnt spear]

idk how to do this ive never used 3dmark

oh wait

i think i found it

[hollow thorn]

like, average 3600 score is around 7000-8000 afaik

[vast meadow]

Really?

[hollow thorn]

average is ~7000 according to 3dmark

[burnt spear]

oh i dont have the base applicated 3dmark

apploication

god f-

[hollow thorn]

top are like ~9000

[burnt spear]

application

there we go

[vast meadow]

Wtf any idea why?

[burnt spear]

trying a different one

unigine heaven its called off google

[hollow thorn]

avg frequency is 4.175ghz

[burnt spear]

ima uninstall it right after but itll atleast give me an idea

[hollow thorn]

heaven is a bit wackier to compare

[burnt spear]

yeah its just to give me an idea

[hollow thorn]

do this
https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5775-3dmark.html

[burnt spear]

if its that far off performance wise itll atleast say that much

[vast meadow]

Think i had pbo disabled

[hollow thorn]

pbo usually gives worse score than manual for me

[vast meadow]

Nah i mean it was running stock

Cuz i cleared cmos

[hollow thorn]

ah

[burnt spear]

jesus 6.5gb

big download for a benchmark

[hollow thorn]

it does have a bunch of different benchmarks

[burnt spear]

ive got like 1tb free its not an issue but jesus

[hollow thorn]

wonder if there's a way to only download time spy

[burnt spear]

btw the other day i decided to just check smthn, idk if this means the performacne is fine but i do get a 60hashrate

60mh/s

only mined for like 5min but it is right in that area

[hollow thorn]

sounds bout right

[burnt spear]

yeah 100% 60mh/s is what the 3060 ti should get

but idk if that means the gaming performance is fine

[hollow thorn]

doesn't really say anything about gaming perf

[burnt spear]

btw the frame drops i get in warzone are wierd

[hollow thorn]

you can run very low core freq and high mem and get higher hash rates

[burnt spear]

its fine all the time except when someone is shooting

[vast meadow]

@hollow thorn https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20539005 with pbo on

Tuning the freq atm

[hollow thorn]

that's better

more average score

[burnt spear]

ik, i did that -350 core +1200 mem just to see what it got

65 power limit

[hollow thorn]

games like core freq a lot more

[burnt spear]

ah yeah fair

[vast meadow]

Yeah hopefully will get better just adjusting scalar atm but off to work will finish later

[elfin warren]

AMD 5000 series in stock now

https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/us

[hollow thorn]

I like how I found this
https://download.intel.com/pressroom/kits/advancedtech/pdfs/Mistry_IEDM_2007_HiK-MG_foils.pdf
and then I found this
https://www.realworldtech.com/intel-45nm-hkmg/

Intel's pdf also has an amazing name

[cinder marsh]

Is 5600x better than 3700x? They cost about the same now and it looks like 3700x might be better since it has 2 more cores and is 2% faster, but 5600x has a better clock speed.

[elfin warren]

Depends. For gaming, 5600x better. For multi core loads like rendering, 3700x better

[vast meadow]

If you don't already have a b450/x470/b550/x570 board go intel, way better value atm, either i5 11400 or i7 10700 and a b560 motherboard

[topaz reef]

intel/amd are currently about the same price to performance for the consumer chips but most dont need that extra 20%

for anything less than 1440p gaming it makes sense to get intel

[vast meadow]

Just no

[topaz reef]

?

[vast meadow]

Amd kicks intels ass at the high end

And intel kicks amds ass in terms of budget

[topaz reef]

correct, 1440p is barely high end tho

yes thats what i said, about 20% less

[vast meadow]

No it doesn't, 1440p is less cpu intensive than 1080p

[topaz reef]

explain please

[vast meadow]

Even more reason to go Ryzen 7/9 if you're going 1080p

As 1440p is more gpu intensive rather than cpu intensive

[topaz reef]

uhh ok

[vast meadow]

So your cpus speed is more important at 1080p instead of 1440p

Also 1440p is high end nothing can game 4k atm

[topaz reef]

you are refering to bottlenecks but in a really strange way

[elfin warren]

I mean

Not really

200+ FPS at 1080p becomes CPU reliant

Doesn't happen with 1440p really

[topaz reef]

200fps doesnt matter unless you bring hertz into the discussion

[elfin warren]

wat

[vast meadow]

Ehh what

Are you smoking some good stuff?

[split copper]

good stuff implies enlightenment

[vast meadow]

300fps at 60hz is wayyyyyy better than 60fps at 60hz

[split copper]

so it's probably a bad trip

[topaz reef]

til higher latency = wayyy better

[vast meadow]

What.....

[topaz reef]

so why even bother buying anything higher than 60hz if it doesnt matter

[dense frost]

Then why the eff are there 4k high fps monitors? stuipid marketing people

[split copper]

it's wild that people played at 4k on gtx 970s lmao

[vast meadow]

You are making no sense bruh

Also latency bad

[topaz reef]

@vast meadow according to you 300fps is wayyy better at 60hz

id rather have a monitor that doesnt just drop frames tbh

[vast meadow]

300fps at 60hz is wayy better than 60fps at 60hz

[elfin warren]

wat

[vast meadow]

That makes no sense

Your monitor doesn't drop frames lol

[topaz reef]

right

[dense frost]

its not about dropping frames. its about frames lining up. the monitor has constant refresh (eg 60hz), your GPU however is not spitting out frames at a constant rate. Some frames take longer and other shorter to output. That means that your monitor and your GPU will not be syncronised all the time, and sometimes your monitor will be expecting a frame and your GPU will not have it ready, other times, your monitor will be in the middle of rendering a frame, and your GPU will already be pushing the next one. So, if you have a high refresh rate monitor, the incidents of the GPU and monitor ligning up are increased

[topaz reef]

Isnt that the whole point of locking fps to refresh rate?

thats atleast my understanding since it will produce the same amount of data on screen but with a lower latency

[vast meadow]

🤦

[dense frost]

it will reduce tearing ( GPU sending new frame while monitor is still rendering old frame) but that means you will more often than not, less than 60fps. UNLESS you get a high refresh rate monitor

[vast meadow]

Higher fps better because you still get newer frames to your sceeen

[topaz reef]

I must not be running my games at high enough settings then because i never have these issues

[vast meadow]

You don't make any sense bruh

[topaz reef]

?

[vast meadow]

We're not talking about issues we have...

We're staying better fps is better no matter refresh

[dense frost]

what issues?

[topaz reef]

i was refering to tearing

[dense frost]

what monitor and gpu do you have?

[topaz reef]

my workstation has a 3080 with lp2475w

[dense frost]

and do you have vsync on?

[topaz reef]

its an old 1200p 60hz monitor

yeah

[dense frost]

yeah, so you wont have tearing

[vast meadow]

Tearing is an issue that can technically happen to anyone but tbh has never happened to me

I always run games at low tho because i play esports so all the fps nom nom

[dense frost]

you should get a high refresh rate 1080p monitor and experience it. goodness knows your GPU will hanbdle it very well

[topaz reef]

ive got a lg cx in the living room i play on the weekends but have to wear my glasses

[vast meadow]

A what?

[topaz reef]

4k 120hz oled tv

[vast meadow]

Ahh

What's your glasses got to do with it btw?

[topaz reef]

its 10 feet away and need them for fps to aim

[dense frost]

size?

[topaz reef]

55"

got it for $1150 with a 5 year warranty in december

[dense frost]

10 feet is... 3 meters

maybe try 6 feet?

[vast meadow]

That's very far away, how big is your sitting room wtf

[topaz reef]

living room is 20x15

[vast meadow]

That's huge omg

[dense frost]

it might be better to move your TV to the PC rather 😆

[topaz reef]

haha yeah, my office has 3x lp2475 and a 4K projector that cover the whole wall above them

so i edit on the screens for color accuracy then view on the projector

its only 60hz and too high up to comfortably play games

[rustic oak]

does anyone know if asrock have a software for fan control, and other assorted tuning?

[vast meadow]

✨the bios ✨

But probs

[rustic oak]

yea ik about that but its diffcult to actually tune stuff from the bios

[rustic oak]

but yea i hope so, anyone knwos how to download it?

[vast meadow]

Go to the motherboard on asrocks site

Then go support

Then it will be on that page

[rustic oak]

kay thanks!

uh, there is about a hundred apps that you can download LOL lemme see which one is actually needed

[vast meadow]

Yeah just google what each one does

[eager lance]

@vast meadow is clearing cmos basically same thing as removing battery on mobo

[elfin warren]

Exact same thing

[hollow thorn]

few more steps but yea

[eager lance]

Okay yeah

Thank you

Also are most ram slots pretty durable ? Like can take some pressure because you do have to apply some pressure trying to snap your ram in

I have a Gigabyte motherboard and I guess it’s supposed to be ultra durable

[cyan raft]

Would it be worth upgrading to a 5900x?

[elfin warren]

Are you mainly gaming or doing other things?

[cyan raft]

Gaming as well as cad/ rendering

I’m thinking of upgrading my 3700x

[elfin warren]

Hmmmmm

Ya

odd place right now

New CPU's and ram right around the corner

AM4 end of the road

[cyan raft]

But I want to keep my mobo as long as possible

Unless ASUS decides they won’t fix it

[elfin warren]

And $550 is a lot of money for a CPU that can't be upgraded

[cyan raft]

True

But I’m not one to really upgrade every generation

How big do you think the performance boost will be for AM5?

[elfin warren]

That remains to be seen

I don't plan on upgrading my 3700x until it comes out

WIth either AM5 setup or 5900X

[cyan raft]

I think I’m just going to upgrade with the 5900x if I can find one because I’d rather not take a gamble with the first generation of a new socket

[grizzled bloom]

First gen anything always has bugs

[cyan raft]

I can always throw the AM5 when it comes down into a future mini ITX build

[elfin warren]

True but the price might drop on the 5900x before then as well

[plain frost]

is the b550 a gaming a good white board

[hollow thorn]

decent

[eager lance]

I cleared cmos and my computer still wont boot , fans don’t move or anything

[plain frost]

did you check the front panel connectors

[eager lance]

They are all in good for the most part

[harsh flame]

Anyone know how to fix msi motherboard not recognizing Pci slot 1x network adapters? I turned on Lan Option Rom and it works for a few days than I have to flash the bios again for my network adapter to work

Basically an infinite loop of flashing my bios

[dense frost]

sounds like you motherboard battery needs replacing

[burnt spear]

do yall think b550 will support next generation processors?

as in 6000 series

[vast meadow]

Nope the switching sockets

[mental jungle]

Does anyone know if you put a m.2 in a pci riser will it still block 2 sata ports on a rog maximus ix hero?

[burnt spear]

damn, ty

[vast meadow]

Yw

[vast meadow]

If you mean a pcie adapter, no it shouldn't, but do you really need all your sata and m.2 ports?

Also that's a really high end motherboard I'm surprised it doesn't let you use m.2 without sata being disabled

[elfin warren]

if it's the Z270 version, it's Intel and not enough PCI-E lanes

SO it will disable them

[vast meadow]

Ohh yeah intel with their damm hate for pcie lanes

[mental jungle]

Crap ok

Adding another sata it is then

[sharp violet]

Hi, I recently bought a Ryzen 7 3700x CPU along with an ASUS TUF Gaming B450-Plus II motherboard. After doing extensive troubleshooting, my PC will still not give a screen on my monitor. We've tried every component in another working PC and everything seems to work just fine except the CPU. We've updated the BIOS for the motherboard twice, as well. We eventually tried to swap our CPUs and discovered that it works just fine with a Ryzen 5 2600. We're pretty sure the BIOS isn't the issue, so we're thinking there's something wrong with the Ryzen 7 itself. While we know that the difference in generation might be the issue, we don't think it is because of the updated BIOS. Any help would be greatly appreciated because I just want to make sure I didn't get a defective CPU

[elfin warren]

What BIOS version is the motherboard on?

Working with a 2600 and not a 3700x kind of points to a BIOS update issue.

And what other motherboard did you try the 3700x on?

[sharp violet]

Let me check. I'm not super good with computers

Sorry I left my computer at a friend's house where I'm building it, but had to run an errand

[vast meadow]

Unless there is a broken pin on your CPU it's most likely a bios issue

[ionic hamlet]

It's not impossible the CPU is defective

[elfin warren]

It's not out of the realm, just need more information

[harsh flame]

What will replacing the battery do? I've just been using the one that came with my mobo a month ago

[hollow thorn]

p sure they were just making a joke about reset cmos, but reset cmos actually does something, replacing the battery on it's own doesn't do too much generally.

[harsh flame]

I reset the cmos on my motherboard before flashing it the otherday, doesnt seem to have made a change

[hollow thorn]

also, this sounds like some kind of software issue to me

[harsh flame]

I dont have much software but ill check

[sharp violet]

Sorry for the belated response. I've been informed the BIOS was updated to 3002

[elfin warren]

Have you tried a Clear CMOS with the 3700x? basically removing the battery for 1-2 minutes without the PC plugged in and replacing the battery? Might clear the settings and help

If that doesn't do it and the CPU doesn't work in another motherboard, probably safe to assume it's DOA

[finite elm]

So in the prebuilt i had bought and had my brother using since I'm still out of country, apparently one of the sticks of ram stopped working?

The PC won't boot with both in, but will boot with one of them. It's still within the return window. But it has a 3080 in it so i dunno if i want to for 1 stick of ram. 😭

[ionic hamlet]

It'd probably be cheaper to just replace the ram.

[finite elm]

Ye

It's being finicky though currently.

[elfin warren]

Does each stick of ram work individually in a single slot?

[finite elm]

No, one stick won't work. The other one works in A2

[elfin warren]

Ah

Def ram then

Contact the company and see if they'll RMA just the ram

[finite elm]

The CPU also is being a bit finicky 🤷‍♂️ sometimes it posts sometimes it doesn't.

[elfin warren]

Some will some won't

[ionic hamlet]

Being a prebuilt, the RAM is probably not that great anyway. Could use it as an excuse to upgrade to a better kit if the company won't let you RMA just the RAM

[finite elm]

It's g.skillz trident 3200mhz. I'm not home so thats all i know

[elfin warren]

That's decent ram

They should RMA/Warranty it for you

[limber dragon]

that happens a lot with bad memory, unless you have debug leds or a post code, I'd chalk it up to the memory and not the cpu

[finite elm]

DRAM was red, CPU wasn't lighting up.

After taking the stick out of B2, it booted fineish

[limber dragon]

yeah, if it wont pass dram training, it wont hit cpu checks

[mental jungle]

how much of an issue is it if your cpu back plate is pressed against the back of your case?

[grizzled bloom]

No issue at all

Just slightly poor case design

[mental jungle]

trying to fit an itx board into a 2u server case 😂

pretty sure it wasnt designed for it XD

[ocean talon]

i just ran windows memory diagnostic and it detected hardware problems

does this mean i have to buy new ram sticks now

ive been getting bsod from time to time

[vernal cosmos]

What hardware problem did it detect

Send me a pic

Dm if you cant send here

@ocean talon

[naive pendant]

any good intel mobos under 100 usd?

[elfin warren]

9400f yeah

[naive pendant]

Yup

[elfin warren]

what ram do you have for it?

[naive pendant]

Currently i have two sticks of samsung 8gb ddr4 2666mhz in my mobo

and an m.2 sk hynix ssd

[elfin warren]

what's wrong with the current mobo?

[naive pendant]

Nothing but i'm thinking of using the parts and swapping case and mobo

Is that a good idea or should i just stick with what i have

[elfin warren]

motherboards don't offer a performance increase unless you go to Z390 and can use faster ram

SO I'd stick with what you have TBH

[naive pendant]

👍🏻

[elfin warren]

nothing to gain really XD

[oblique crown]

Quick question. I ordered a 5900x CPU for 645 USD. Now I am thinking about this.

The 5950x is about 970 USD.

How much will the 5950x be next year?

Because if it won't drop too much, I am thinking about returning my 5900 and get the 5950x now.

Even if the build price is way over the initial budget :))

Does anyone have experience with price evolution?

Will I be able to get the 5950 fpr 400 450 USD next year?

[vernal cosmos]

do you need the extra cores for something?

[oblique crown]

Not really, cause the difference is not that huge. @vast meadow helped me make my mind.

I will not upgrade.

And thank you.

Joining newegg discord helped me make some better choices, not necessarily the best ones, but better, and also saved me from a few big mistakes 😛

[vernal cosmos]

Yep the 5900x does better single core and 12 cores is amazing for desktop. You also get more thermal headroom to overclock it further on any cooler as compared to the 5950x(without disabling cores ofc)

[oblique crown]

Good to know

[vernal cosmos]

It really is a great community of people into tech

[oblique crown]

One hundred percent

[warped grove]

z590 phantom gaming 4 or z490 pro4 for 10700k

[vast meadow]

Go non asrock they both not great

[warped grove]

ight thanks

[glass plover]

Is the asus tuf gaming x570 wifi gud?

[elfin warren]

Yes I have it, great motherboard unless you need flashback for 5000 series

[glass plover]

Is it worth the upgrade 5000 series from a 3700x?

[elfin warren]

IMO, not really. I have a 3700x and I'm waiting for AM5 to come out. Then I will decide between 5000 series or AM5 depending on how it looks

[amber socket]

where str4 mobos? 😢

[elfin warren]

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007625 601301149

[dense frost]

depends. if you need productivity, then getting a 5900 will certainly be an improvement. If you gaming at 1440p or greater, then not so much

[vast meadow]

An improvement yes but not worth the upgrade imo

[humble wasp]

hello

i just buy memory

it should be 2666

but in cpuz

show 2132

y

https://www.newegg.com/global/bh-en/g-skill-8gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232086?Item=N82E16820232086

this is the item i buy

[split copper]

click on the memory tab

what does DRAM frequency say

[humble wasp]

where?

[split copper]

it should be running at 2666

you're fine

[humble wasp]

ok

and i instal

new cooler

how i know it is fine or no

cuz before i had stock cooler

[split copper]

https://www.fosshub.com/HWiNFO.html?dwl=hwi_704.zip HWiNFO

has a sensor list/mini app

the important bit

[humble wasp]

thank u

[limpid warren]

Can anyone suggest a memory kit for 10900K? I want good performance but also don't want to waste money buying something that exceeds the processor's capabilities (that's a thing right). It's going on an MSI Gaming Carbon Wi-fi motherboard btw

(that's a thing right?) rather

[dense frost]

look for 3200MHz CL16

[limpid warren]

anything above 3200 won't be utilized?

[dense frost]

yeah, intel likes 3200

[limpid warren]

I just put on XMP. I dunno if I'll eventually try to figure out RAM OC. I've had enough fun with GPU & CPU OC

[dense frost]

anything faster will yield better results, but the cost / benefit is not justified

[dense frost]

yup. XMP is what I do too

[limpid warren]

Thanks. Right now I have a 64 (32x2) G.Skill 3800mHz set in there but I was thinking I'd move it to my Ryzen 9 build since it's optimized for AMD apparently.

problem is the CAS is 18 which is meh

[dense frost]

no such thing as optimised for Intel/AMD.

you might be able to tune your ram to lower speed and lower cas

[limpid warren]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374102?Item=N82E16820374102

Engineered and optimized for full compatibility on the latest AMD Ryzen platforms, Trident Z Neo brings unparalleled memory performance and vibrant RGB lighting to any gaming PC or workstation with latest AMD Ryzen CPUs and AMD DDR4 motherboards.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I wouldn't know if you were lol

[dense frost]

its a marketing gimmick. trust me

[limpid warren]

darn so that's not a very good setup for the Ryzen 9 then?

[dense frost]

no its decent. nothing wrong with it at all

[limpid warren]

okay cool thanks

Do you think I'll see much difference between 32 & 16 GB? I was thinking 32. No way I'm gonna get another 64GB. Too expensive

[dense frost]

only in productivity tasks. not in gaming

[limpid warren]

okay cool thank you for your help.

CAS 15 isn't necessary?

Last thing sorry, any brands to avoid? I won't ask you which are good

[dense frost]

as far as I know, lower cas is more helpful than faster frequency. but I am not sure

[dense frost]

not that I know of. I have used g.skill, corsair and hyperx. all worked just fine.

[limpid warren]

That's what I read too

[vast meadow]

Depending on the task really

And depends on cpu because Ryzen is better with 3600cl18 than 3200cl16 because of the fclk

[dense frost]

oh? I thought on 3000 and 5000 Ryzen you just compensated by adjusting the fclk?

[limpid warren]

& for 10900K

?

[vast meadow]

Nope ryzen performance is optimal when memory is 2x fclk(technically 1x because ddr (double data rate))

[vast meadow]

Noone should buy 3600cl18 it's just overpriced 3200cl16

[dense frost]

cool. thanks. brb, gonna go sell my 3200cl16...

[vast meadow]

How much ram do you want, 16 32?

But 3600cl16 it's usually not very much more than 3200cl16

[limpid warren]

32

[vast meadow]

You in the us?

[limpid warren]

yessir

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KkqBD3/crucial-ballistix-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-bl2k16g36c16u4b

It's like 5$ more than 3200cl16

Worth the extra 5

[limpid warren]

thank you

[vast meadow]

Np

[limpid warren]

this is good for 10900K right?

[vast meadow]

Yes

You're putting that on a z490/z590 motherboard right?

[limpid warren]

z490

yes MSI Gaming carbon wifi

[vast meadow]

Nice

Just making sure it wasn't a b460 board or something

[limpid warren]

I'm gonna put the 64GB on a a B-550 ASUS ROG Strixx

[vast meadow]

Nice

[limpid warren]

thanks I don't even know what game(s) I wanna play. I enjoy building more tbh

The Ryzen is gonna be in a Thermaltake Level 20 GT RGB

I'm trying to do my first do a custom cooling loop for the first time

Man is that a money pit

& bending rigid 16mm pipe is harder than the electrical conduit I'm used to

[vast meadow]

Yeah, soft tube is always a slightly easier option i guess

[limpid warren]

ya and it seems to me the soft tube seals better

the hard connectors scare me. 3 o rights & the compression connector doesn't seem to compress enough to me. I wish you could use PVC pipe & PVC glue

that stuff is nasty but it basically melts the plastic then hardens it as one piece

but it would probably look terrible

how come 16x2 is seems so much cheaper than 8x4? strange

[vast meadow]

Idk it just is

Just take the 16x2 tho

Leaves room for another 32gb if you please

[limpid warren]

you can add more like that?

I asked G.Skill they said you shouldn't cuz of compatibility but they probably want me to buy bigger kits anyway

[vast meadow]

Nothing wrong with buying 2 of 2x8gb or 2x16 etc instead of 4x8 or 4x16 kits tbh

[cursive epoch]

just higher chance of things not working as intended

as it's not tested and proven

[limpid warren]

Ah okay

[naive pendant]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-4-cpu-renders-show-fascinating-design?

????????

what is this

[vast meadow]

That better not be right looks disgusting and ineffective lol

[hollow thorn]

What the heck

Why would they

Thicker ihs???

And the holes on the side

[limber dragon]

Stacked dies iirc, and for people complaining that it looks ugly, look at intel hedt

[vast meadow]

But why would they not continue the ihs?

[hollow thorn]

Ick

[hollow thorn]

Thought tsmc 3dfabric is still in development tho

[limber dragon]

Because they're most likely putting smds there

[hollow thorn]

Tho my info might be slightly out of date

Looks like I just mixed things up, TSMC's SoIC seems to already be a thing

[thorny bridge]

Is this temperature normal for this amount of usage? My PC just reset twice today for no apparent reason or cause

This is me running valorant for about a minute

Can someone ping me with an answer please?

[lavish tree]

what is a good mobo to go with 7 5800x?

micro atx

[hollow thorn]

Any b550 w flashback really, depends on budget

[lavish tree]

around $1500

[vernal cosmos]

for a motherboard?

[lavish tree]

lol no for the pc

I don't know how much I should spend on a mobo

[vernal cosmos]

150ish

max 200

[lavish tree]

ok so is b550 good

[lavish tree]

what is a flashback?

[hollow thorn]

flash bios without needing to boot

just grab like a b550m mortar or smth

[burnt spear]

So my moms laptop finally broke (11yrs old) and I'm looking to find her a new one. She doesn't use it for much other thsn Ancestry, but she has up to 30 tabs open at once. Would 2 cores be enough, or would she want an i5? And would 8gb be enough ram or should we go for 12/16

[hollow thorn]

Well, what's the budget, and what exactly will you use it for?

[burnt spear]

Unsure on budget but anything under 700 seems about right

Nothing other than a TON of chrome tabs open at once

Up to 30

A nice battery life would be a plus

[hollow thorn]

@burnt spear To start off, this looks pretty good
https://www.newegg.com/silver-asus-m515ua-es56-sl-mainstream/p/N82E16834235726

[burnt spear]

That looks sick, (sorry i should've said this) my dad hates amd for whatever reason.

[hollow thorn]

:(

[burnt spear]

Better price to performance than anything intel I'd find

[hollow thorn]

5500u is actually so nice tho

I'll check if I find anything intel

[burnt spear]

Thanks

I was looking at these two https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08MDMCTHD/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A32XZJ8Y7GNPDI&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08ZCSJGYV/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A27ATZV69GZU3F&psc=1

[lavish tree]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HYXZTJ how is this?

[hollow thorn]

I'm going to look for at least a 1115g4 lel

this might be another option
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-i5-1135G7-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B08Y9BPMNG/

Hopefully, you could try to convince your father that AMD is a good idea nowadays, if not, I'll check for others

[burnt spear]

I've tried

Ever our local computer shop he's used for 20 years tried

[lavish tree]

did something happen to him?

[burnt spear]

He built a full amd pc, and it basically caught fire. Don't remember the full story

[hollow thorn]

@burnt spear eh, this maybe?
https://www.newegg.com/dark-gray-dell-latitude-3410/p/1TS-000A-0D9D1

[burnt spear]

Looks good

Ty

I'll show them to my dad and see what he says

[hollow thorn]

alright, this is just slightly painful considering nice amd offerings

[burnt spear]

I'm in just as much pain, trust me

While she doesn't use graphics intels integrated sucks

[hollow thorn]

hey, at least modern integrated graphics are good for just web browsing

[burnt spear]

True

Her laptop had ddr2 ram, to put in perspective of how overdue an upgrade is

[hollow thorn]

about a full decade eh

[ionic hamlet]

I suspect that computer that caught fire had a faulty PSU and the AMD CPU had nothing to do with the fire.

[halcyon relic]

do the x570 motherboards support the new ryzen 7 chips?

[vast meadow]

With a bios update ya

[loud harness]

if you have 2 sets of 3200 ram should you set it to 6400 ?

[elfin warren]

No. 3200

[vernal cosmos]

considering that thats close to the current world record, theres 0 chance of it hitting that.

3600 maybe

[fiery kernel]

5700G looking mad sexy

kinda hyped for new apus

[halcyon relic]

5700G ?

[dense frost]

new APU from AMD.

[vast meadow]

Usually when people say "set" they mean change the mem freq number and wonder why no most so I'd say no lol

[halcyon relic]

How do they compare to the 5000 series currently ?

[dense frost]

seems like its a detuned 5800x with Vega 8 graphics

[fiery kernel]

^exactly

and tbh the vega graphics are pretty alright

[halcyon relic]

So basically just a bit less powerful but better integrated graphics ?

I guess when you run like 3000 series gpu what does it matter ?

[limber dragon]

it would be worse to run a dedicated graphics card with an amd apu

[halcyon relic]

so does the apu beat out like the 3070/80? or would they be used in like laptops/specific builds that dont require gpus

[dense frost]

no. no apu will ever beat a dedicated GPU. its meant for people who dont intend to play games (much)

from what ive read is that its going to be priced to compete with the 11700k

[halcyon relic]

Ahh okay I see. Thank you for the clarification

[dense frost]

pleasure

[vernal cosmos]

not price wise... perf wise

[dense frost]

my bad

[vernal cosmos]

all the zen 3 apus are gonna have the same graphics iirc

r5 apu 250$

[limber dragon]

bruh did you even see the announcement?

[vernal cosmos]

No benchmarks tho so I wouldnt trust the numbers yet

[limber dragon]

5600g has 7 CUs, 5700g has 8

[vernal cosmos]

Ahh right my bad

[halcyon relic]

What are performance differences between the 3800x and the 5800x?

Is it worth it to upgrade or wait a new gen

[limber dragon]

if you have $400 burning a hole in your pocket, its worth upgrading

[vast meadow]

5000g series supposed to be replacing non x cpus

[grizzled bloom]

To a point, sure. I for one am glad they're still innovating a bit even though they're top dog. They're also making stacked chips with up to 192MB L3 cache that fit the current socket and will replace the previous versions.

[vast meadow]

thats a 💩 tun of cache yeah

[scarlet rampart]

Does anyone know of any AM4 mobos that have 8 dimm slots?

[limber dragon]

none

[vast meadow]

Gotta go threadripper for that, but why would you need more than 128gb on a Ryzen chip

[scarlet rampart]

Dammit. Thanks though

[vast meadow]

Np

[daring raft]

whats the best cpu with integrated graphics for 250 that can run valorant at 150fps minimum?

[hollow thorn]

uhhhh

150fps min

with INTEGRATED GRAPHICS?

I mean, if you're running like 800x400, maybe

[daring raft]

tbh just anything that will run fine with a 144hz monitor

or average 144fps

[hollow thorn]

that isn't really happening at 1080p

with an iGPU

11500 will get close, in some titles at lowest settings, but I would NOT say 144fps average in all games

[daring raft]

how abt valo lowest settings? will it average 144?

[limber dragon]

paul's hw just did a 4650g vs 11th gen igpu, and 4000g blows it away

[hollow thorn]

wack, I remember seeing GN video and he was like 7CU on vega is weak

[limber dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7qthhhP-ho

has OW, Apex and Val

[hollow thorn]

ig uhd730 is just weaker

[mild birch]

I'm just gonna call it HBL3

like HBM but its stacked L3 instead of HBM

[devout moth]

Arshia#2457 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mild birch]

only issue is that SRAM cells are expensive af to manufacture

[mild birch]

bad mobo

horrible mobo

[mild birch]

less PCB cost.

a single B1 PCB is much cheaper than 2 A2 PCBs

not to mention packaging is also a factor

[limpid warren]

Oh... Heck bad how?

[mild birch]

I assume you mean one of two motherboards

B550-A

Or B550-F

Either way, both mobos are incredibly overpriced, quite bad, and have issues with signal integrity. Low signal integrity, hard to run good ram. More ram, hard to run good ram. You can see where this is going.

Don’t waste money on a b550-F

[tawdry pebble]

hey so i won a auction on ebay for a ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero WiFi for 60 euros, i didnt buy it yet, should i?

[vernal cosmos]

Chipset of the board?

[tawdry pebble]

z390

atx

[vernal cosmos]

You will have to get an 8th or 9th gen cpu

[tawdry pebble]

i have around 300 to spend

10400k?

oh nvm

[vernal cosmos]

thats 10th gen

[tawdry pebble]

so wich one?

and why do I need a 8th or 9th gen cpu

bc of the chipset?

?

@vernal cosmos

[vernal cosmos]

Because z390 doesnt support any other cpus

only 8th and 9th gen intel cpus

or rather the socket doesnt

[tawdry pebble]

ok so wich cpu should i buy

[vernal cosmos]

8th or 9th gen intel

any one will work

[tawdry pebble]

no but wich one is the best

[vernal cosmos]

the i9 9900k

[vast meadow]

Don't buy it you'll have to get an older overpriced cpu

[tawdry pebble]

ok

hmmm

it is an amazing price tho

[vast meadow]

Not really

It's 3 years old

[tawdry pebble]

oh ok

ok thx

[vast meadow]

An i5 11400 and b560 would be a better option

[tawdry pebble]

and what about the msi mpg x570 gaming edge wifi

for 55

euros

[vast meadow]

That sounds very sketchy

Or it's a just started bid

[tawdry pebble]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324648139945

[vast meadow]

Don't look at ebay.uk you're gonna have to pay a load of import tax

[dense frost]

OH NO!!! That board is GARBAGE

[tawdry pebble]

i know

[tawdry pebble]

thats why i asked

[vast meadow]

Also @tawdry pebble they said it's not working

[dense frost]

look up Hardware Unboxed on YouTube. They absolutely took a huge steaming s*** all over that board

[vast meadow]

It's not a bad board it's just not working

[vast meadow]

It's finne

[tawdry pebble]

oh nice

[vast meadow]

It's not great tho

[tawdry pebble]

no I wont buy it

[vast meadow]

@tawdry pebble go into filters and hit used only

So that for parts doesn't show up

See in condition

[tawdry pebble]

oh ok thx

i think i will just buy the MSI MPG B550 Gaming Plus

for 135

new

[vast meadow]

Yeah just do that

[tawdry pebble]

it is compatible with the 5600x right?

[vernal cosmos]

yes

[tawdry pebble]

ok

[dense frost]

just check if you need a bios update

[vast meadow]

You will

[vernal cosmos]

most boards ship with the newer bioses pato

[dense frost]

That mobo can have the bios updated without having a cpu installed, so hes good either way

[vast meadow]

A decent amount of them don't tho :/ just depends how long it's been sitting on the shelf i suppose

[vernal apex]

Had a really random thought. While of course not the best for gaming but dont plan to game too much on this system. Saw a Threadripper 1920x on Newegg for $150 this morning.

Was wondering what boards were out there, what I'm seeing is price wide might as well get a 5900x and X590 motherboard but might be missing something.

[elfin warren]

Just get a 5900x

BOards are expensive

and 5900x will spank that thing 10 ways to Sunday

[vernal apex]

Thats what I expected. TR4 boards are like $600+ for whatever reason

[vast meadow]

cuz higher end gotta pay for most of RnD costs

[vernal apex]

True. Well worth a thought a 1920x would murder my current server but not looking to spend $700 for an upgrade.

[wild cape]

What's the deal with the i7-10700 KF going out of stock, if there is one?

[vast meadow]

get 10700k instead, 10$ more but worth every penny for troubleshooting purposes or intel quicksync

[keen steppe]

thoughts on b550 gaming edge wifi vs asus tuf x570 gaming plus vs gigabyte b550 aorus pro ac?

[vernal cosmos]

what CPU you wanna run?

[keen steppe]

all 3 are 180 on amazon atm. looking for something for a 5600x. brother wants bluetooth for his xbox controller

trying to stay under $200

[vernal cosmos]

anything over 150 is overkill for a 5600x

also the 5600x isnt great price wise

I would get a 11500

[keen steppe]

does anything under 150 even have wifi/bt?

[vernal cosmos]

you can get 10$ adapters that add wifi and bluetooth tbh

lemme look for a good board for you tho yeah?

gimme a few

[keen steppe]

sure

[vernal cosmos]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-B550M-PLUS-Motherboard-Addressable/dp/B088VXTBWR/ref=sr_1_10?crid=RDU597ILBDUU&dchild=1&keywords=b550+motherboard+wifi&qid=1622668123&sprefix=b550%2Caps%2C360&sr=8-10

should do nicely

@keen steppe

[keen steppe]

thanks

[vernal cosmos]

np!

[vast meadow]

all good get the cheapest one

[vernal cosmos]

did it