cpus-mobo-and-memory

[limber dragon]

try a different display out on your gpu? Sounds like gpu isnt sending power to the monitor until you hit windows

[elfin warren]

Do you have a VR headset connected by chance?

@grave crest

[grave crest]

Oh

I do

Should I unplug

[elfin warren]

BIOS is showing in there then

Guaranteed

Or put the headset on XD

[mild jackal]

lol

[elfin warren]

BIOS VR

The next frontier

[grave crest]

I need to update this stoopid bios

It's literally 3 yrs old

[elfin warren]

It'll default to the VR headset no matter how new it is

SO if it ain't broke no need

[grave crest]

Aaa I'm in bios

But it won't pick up my flash drive

With the new bios

Was I supposed to unzip it

[elfin warren]

Yes

and move the file outside the folder

and possibly rename it with a tool if included

[grave crest]

Updating rn

Fingers crossed this fixed my issues

for some reason the date is still old?

even though i downloaded and installed a 2021 bios

[elfin warren]

Does the version number match your update tho?

P4.3

[grave crest]

this is what i used

[elfin warren]

P4.3

It's fine then

Disregard the date

[grave crest]

ohhh okie

is this fairly correct

i had to redo my timings and speeds since new bios

[elfin warren]

3500 mhz is an odd speed

Can't you just turn on XMP and have it run at 3600?

[grave crest]

its 3600mhz but I can never get it to boot at 3600 xmp

i've always had to do custom timings

[hollow thorn]

4x16 sticks can be a bit hard but

Tried uncoupled just in case it's the IF that can't match the ram before?

[grave crest]

these are the same i had before I THINK

i can't remember my exact timings before i think i've got one of them lower now

and yea its 4x16

[naive pendant]

tRAS at 35 seems a little too low for that no?

@grave crest Did you try with a higher tRAS?

Do you know what die it is?

[hollow hollow]

does anyone know what motherboard is in the Dell Optiplex 790?

[noble rampart]

is there a wifi 6 am4 motherboard for under 100 (that has 4 ram slots)

[hollow thorn]

what

@noble rampart for what chip

and why do you need wifi 6

[noble rampart]

don't have wired

and ryzen 5 5600x

[hollow thorn]

like why not wifi 5

[noble rampart]

want to use my 5g

have 5g

[hollow thorn]

wat

You know wifi 5 uses 5ghz band too right

[noble rampart]

yes

said the wrong thing

[hollow thorn]

and what's your wifi speeds..?

[noble rampart]

umm like 90mgs

[hollow thorn]

So wifi 5 will do fine...?

[noble rampart]

no

I would like to get 900

mgs

[hollow thorn]

What internet plan do you pay for

[noble rampart]

none

[hollow thorn]

Because wifi speeds are only as fast as the weakest chain

aka, what speeds you pay for from the IP, then the router, then the wireless adapter on your computer.

[noble rampart]

I know

also I don't want to have to upgrade wifi in hte future

[naive pendant]

should i buy a new mouse for pc or new cooler for my ryzen 3 3100

[hollow thorn]

If you pay for higher than 1gbps, and you have a wifi 6 capable router, and you have a wifi 6 adapter, only then you can use higher speeds

[naive pendant]

my 3100 can reach 4.4/4.5ghz

[noble rampart]

look I want wifi 6 ok

[hollow thorn]

I mean, you're not going to get much more if any more performance out of a 3100

[naive pendant]

and im currently using wraith stealth

[noble rampart]

I was wondering if there is a board that has that

for under 100

[hollow thorn]

@noble rampart look it's expensive okay, I'm trying to get options but it's going to be nearly impossible for <100$

[naive pendant]

i run my cpu MAX fan speed on the wraith stealth

always

just so i can use

4.1ghz

[noble rampart]

ok

[naive pendant]

without overheating

[hollow thorn]

hell, it's impossible from what I can tell if you want to use a 5600x

since the only option right now would be like b550m-hdv+wifi 6 adapter, costing 105$, but doesn't have flashback so you can't update bios for 5600x

[naive pendant]

have yall seen the B550 Aorus Pro-P

best vrms out of any MATX board

and its like $150

[hollow thorn]

Which doesn't have integrated wifi

which is 50$ over 100$

[naive pendant]

just get a wifi card

[noble rampart]

ok

I was thinking about the asus prime b550

[hollow thorn]

we're talking 80% over the original budget here

[naive pendant]

also i didnt know budget

[noble rampart]

(wifi)

[naive pendant]

sorry what is og budget

[hollow thorn]

lol

[naive pendant]

with wifi 6

[hollow thorn]

<100$

so uh

yea

[naive pendant]

under 100

[hollow thorn]

mhm

[naive pendant]

for am4?

[hollow thorn]

for a 5600x

[naive pendant]

why tho

that budgeting

[hollow thorn]

I don't know

[naive pendant]

ok then

[hollow thorn]

I was trying to say you don't need wifi 6 but

oh well

[noble rampart]

ok

[naive pendant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LKLwrH/asrock-b550m-hdv-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-hdv this works

[naive pendant]

some people have wifi 6 routers

[noble rampart]

I might consider wifi 5

[hollow thorn]

I was saying that smh

[naive pendant]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084P8KHMH?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

get this

wifi card

[noble rampart]

but is there a board that will be considerably cheaper?

[hollow thorn]

hell

even a b550m hdv doesn't have guaranteed support for 5600x

[naive pendant]

wifi 6 bluetooth 5

[hollow thorn]

and no flashback

soooo

kinda screwed if the bios it ships with doesn't support 5600x

[naive pendant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LKLwrH/asrock-b550m-hdv-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-hdv

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zQqPxr/edup-ep-9636gs-bl-pcie-x1-80211abgnacax-wi-fi-adapter-ep-9636gs-bl

exactly $100

[noble rampart]

ok

[hollow thorn]

Personally I'd just get a b550m pro-vdh wifi for 110$, has flashback

[noble rampart]

ok

[hollow thorn]

but

[naive pendant]

i own that board

lol

[hollow thorn]

Yes

[naive pendant]

good board for the price

ram oc is pretty good

cpu oc

[hollow thorn]

it's great because it's basically the cheapest board with flashback

[naive pendant]

is good

[hollow thorn]

and happens to have wifi too

[naive pendant]

i bought it for the fan headers

lol

[hollow thorn]

lol

[naive pendant]

cause my firstpc

build

was with that bord

[hollow thorn]

and you kinda need flashback if you're getting a zen 3 chip

otherwise you can be screwed 50% of the time

with just an out of date bios

[naive pendant]

can i send a funny board

[noble rampart]

yes

ok

thank you

[hollow thorn]

is it biostar

[noble rampart]

ok

[naive pendant]

asus

green motherboard

u can actually buy this

[noble rampart]

thats ugly

[naive pendant]

thats why i said

funny board

or @noble rampart ik a board which works so good

no regrets

[noble rampart]

wat

r u joking rn?

[naive pendant]

with the green

board

that was ugly

yes

[hollow thorn]

lemme show you the real funni board

It's a real board

[vast meadow]

Lmao

Long boi

[naive pendant]

@noble rampart https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-x570-aorus-xtreme/p/N82E16813145158?Item=N82E16813145158&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2Fproduct%2FTBmFf7%2Fgigabyte-x570-aorus-xtreme-eatx-am4-motherboard-x570-aorus-xtreme&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-0wYYW1knnCJedokBSZ1fKg

best board

u can buy

includes wifi 6

[noble rampart]

ok

[naive pendant]

i think

just except

$700

[hollow thorn]

lol

[limber dragon]

more expensive does no mean more better

[noble rampart]

lel

[naive pendant]

its the worlds first TRUE 14 Phase vrm

[hollow thorn]

dark hero is the meme for pricing

[hollow thorn]

or is it really

[naive pendant]

it really is

[limber dragon]

I very highly doubt that

[hollow thorn]

yea

[grizzled bloom]

19 PCI slots

[hollow thorn]

lol

[hollow thorn]

also, I think they might actually technically be true, the only other huge true phase count board was a MSI x299 board with 16 true phases, none with 14 true phases :P

and ofc if we count twinned and doubled so many VRMs have 14 phases but yea

[limber dragon]

nah, there were older boards that did crazy vrms

x570 extreme is just a 14+2

[hollow thorn]

hm

[noble rampart]

how this build: https://newegg.io/481aa98

[hollow thorn]

oh ma gawd

that gpu

800$ single fan 1060

ok man

[noble rampart]

I'm not buying it from newegg

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-dusty-coughing-clear-throat-wave-arm-in-air-gif-14340097

[noble rampart]

I'm buying it from a friend

and the ram

for 50

how that?

[hollow thorn]

good nuff

[noble rampart]

ok

welp gtg

[gentle acorn]

But why….

Oh

[silent sandal]

Hey you got techie

Last time I was here, you were just purple name

[grizzled bloom]

You've been gone a while then, he's been techie the whole time I've been around

[gritty meadow]

@grizzled bloom iirc, 4 months ago was when he got it

[grizzled bloom]

I've only been around a little over 2 months so yeah

[silent sandal]

Sounds about when I was here last

Haven’t needed tech help

[toxic skiff]

So. I might be playing a Really risky game

Would I be fine with 6/9 mobo screws?

[elfin warren]

Yes, just do the outer edges

[toxic skiff]

I cant do the far right edge

My mobo is 6mm off from the far right pins

Leave it to me to pick the ONE mobo that is just too big

[grizzled bloom]

The right side is very important so the board doesn't flex when you insert/remove the 24 pin cable

[elfin warren]

That's not a good scenario either if the standoffs are under the board rather than the holes.

[toxic skiff]

My case supports boards up to 264 mm wide

My mobo is 270

[mild jackal]

I prefer to plug in every cable, install every ssd/cpu/cooler before I mount the board in the case

[toxic skiff]

It looks like my 24 pin is on the side too

[mild jackal]

Some boards / psu cables can take a lot of force to plug in the 24 pin

If it's already in the case, brace the back of the board with your hand

[grizzled bloom]

Try not to stab yourself doing that, it hurts. And make sure it's unplugged.

[toxic skiff]

I'm using a Aorus x570 Xtreme and I have a Phanteks Enthoo Pro M

If you're curious

[mild jackal]

I would plug it in but switch off the psu, keeps it all grounded

Even if it was on - 12v won't hurt you

[grizzled bloom]

That works too, but I wear static band

Shorting the 12v would hurt the board, but yeah not you

[toxic skiff]

Yeah

[mild jackal]

Not going to short anything unless you're made of metal

[toxic skiff]

Looks like it's working

[pale mist]

Is there any logical reason why I would need 16 cores?

Because i have my eye on a system 16c16t2.3g for 100$

[limber dragon]

VMs

[pale mist]

And i need an excuse

Hmm maybe

Is there any way i could make money with it?

Remoteing it out to server farms? Mineing?

[grizzled bloom]

CPU mining

Mostly the extra cores are for multitasking, running a media server, or video editing, workstation tasks

[wheat halo]

Mining with a cpu is so bad lol

You get like 50 cents max for anything that isnt theardripper

[vast meadow]

^

And your pc will be hella unresponsive if you mining with it

[swift shale]

Is a 2.8ghz base frequency okay for gaming?

[elfin warren]

Well, CPU will auto boost

Or it should anyway

Even if it's a non-K intel it will still boost

[swift shale]

Well I’m trying to decide if an intel i9 10900 is good enough but it’s base frequency is 2.8 ghz. So in the end, that frequency doesn’t really matter? It’ll be fine?

[elfin warren]

That's just the base frequency, it will auto boost to the boost frequency as needed

4.8 all core or something? I can't remember

[swift shale]

Oh so the boost frequency is what I should look at then?

[elfin warren]

Yes

[swift shale]

Okay thanks

Also I’ve been looking at videos comparing CPU’s and there’s a bunch of numbers on the screen but they don’t look much different watching the game. So what really is the cpu doing getting a good one vs a mediocre one

[hardy moon]

Well at 1080p or 1440p you might be cpu limited if you get a worse cpu but at 4K you won’t find too much difference

[elfin warren]

Even 1440p doesn't beat the CPU too terribly hard

[swift shale]

So is it really worth getting a great cpu then? Like I’m looking at a 10900, but would it be worth getting that over a 9900? Like what more would I see out of that

[elfin warren]

Yes

But honestly just for gaming 10900 is overkill anyway

Better to get 11400 or 11600

[vast meadow]

They want to stream too

[elfin warren]

Still be fine, use GPU for that

[vast meadow]

True forgot about nvenc for a sec

[elfin warren]

Ye

Probs 11600 then

Better core performance than 10th gen

[swift shale]

Okay so let’s say gaming, school work, and video editing. You’d say don’t even go with a 10900?

[noble rampart]

will a 5 5600x work for gaming and school and some CAD programs?

[elfin warren]

Video editing can use GPU also, depending on the software.

I'd still get 11600K for the faster single core performance for what you'll be mostly doing with it

[swift shale]

So you wouldn’t even go w a later gen cpu?

Like a newer i9

[elfin warren]

11600 is newer than 10900

Seems you have your heart set on the 10900 tho so just get that.

[swift shale]

No I really just don’t know much abt cpu😂

I just wanna make sure I get something good enough

[noble rampart]

why go intel?

[hardy moon]

Cause cheaper

[elfin warren]

Yup

[noble rampart]

an i9 10900 isn't

[elfin warren]

People be crapping on 11th gen but it isn't bad

[hardy moon]

Cheaper than a 5900x

Or 5800x not sure

[noble rampart]

sure but about the same performance as a ryzen 7 5800x

and its not cheaper than a 5800x

[elfin warren]

10850K is

10900 is also

$379

10900F is $350

5800X $449

[noble rampart]

10900k is 460

[hardy moon]

And I think 10900k at micro center is 400

Yep

It is

[noble rampart]

you can buy a 3700x for 280 at microcenter

[hardy moon]

But 10850k tho

[elfin warren]

Mmmhmmm

Don't need K

[noble rampart]

it just depends on what you want

as far as price/performance, amd brings you that

[elfin warren]

TGhey don't want to OC

[noble rampart]

ok

[elfin warren]

Also

[hardy moon]

Intel better value IMO

[elfin warren]

10850K beats 3700x single core and multi core

hefty margin in multicore also

[vast meadow]

For CAD you'd probably want an 8 core

[noble rampart]

not anything too cpu strenuos

[hardy moon]

Cad doesn’t use gpu acceleration?

[noble rampart]

(not autocad)

[vast meadow]

Yeah but 10850k is basically 10900k

[noble rampart]

ok

[vast meadow]

Dont believe so

[noble rampart]

lol there is a 2 core i7

the 7660u

[elfin warren]

NOt really, no. It prefers single core CPU speed

[vast meadow]

Yes it's old?... Technology improves n stuff

[hollow thorn]

Surprisingly cad seems to be more single-threaded perf

[elfin warren]

It is

[hollow thorn]

Gpu accel doesn't seem to exist, just for visual rendering

[swift shale]

What’s better to have? Single or multi ore performance

[elfin warren]

Fast CPU core and fast ram

Generally single core for most day to day things

[hollow thorn]

It's not even that heavy on ram either

[elfin warren]

Gaming, etc.

[hollow thorn]

Like 8gb is the reccomended spec for autocad

It's surprising

[elfin warren]

Yeah, it'll burn through that pretty quick

[hollow thorn]

16gb is usual for any build

[noble rampart]

16gb will work fine for cad

[vast meadow]

Depends on your workload but for most ppl single thread

[hollow thorn]

And that's supposed to do fine until you go very heavy

[vast meadow]

Only light cad

[noble rampart]

could I run KSP?

[vast meadow]

What?

[hollow thorn]

ksp pretty light tbh

[spark spade]

Looking to add memory to my pc. I have a 2tb Samsung ssd m.2 now. Are there any other off brand ones besides Samsung and WD that are pretty decent? It would be mainly for game storage for games I don't care to load up speedy and extra storage. 2tb or more.

[elfin warren]

Get like a 2-4Tb WD hard drive

[hardy moon]

Sabrent I think is decent

[elfin warren]

For just storage, get a platter drive, cheaper.

[spark spade]

I was thinking of doing that.

I have 2tb now, and just download ark via the Xbox app and it's damn near 1.7tb of bs for that game lol

[hardy moon]

Wait ark is 1.7tb???

[vast meadow]

Toshiba have the x300 4tb or something along those lines for like 80$ if you want a lot of storage

[spark spade]

Not a bad option either haha

[spark spade]

Yeah I was shocked also

[vast meadow]

Yeah pretty decent if you just want something for your steam library or mass storage

[elfin warren]

Yeah, the X300 drives are nice

[hollow thorn]

Toshiba x300 is great

Do x300 if you want 4tb

[inland stirrup]

Do you think the $70 price premium for the F4-3800C14D-32GTZN is worth it over the 3600c16 (16 16 36) version?

[elfin warren]

what cpu

[inland stirrup]

5950x

[elfin warren]

What 3600C16 kit?

Might be able to OC to those timings

[inland stirrup]

I think it was the F4-3600C16D-32GTZN kit

[elfin warren]

You could probably push that kit to 3800 mhz easy

I wouldn't buy the C14 kit

[hollow thorn]

You sure there's no -C on the end of the model number?

Oh wait, 16-16-36 version

[inland stirrup]

I just copy pasted it

[hollow thorn]

That's the good one

There's another 16-19-39 version with the same model number, but with a C at the end.

[elfin warren]

Mmmm,. might be Hynix die but should still be able to OC it

[inland stirrup]

Ahh yeah you're right

[hollow thorn]

16-16-36 should be b die bin

16-19-39 is djr basically for sure

[inland stirrup]

But is there a noticeable performance difference

[hollow thorn]

At xmp, no, with some OC, possibly.

[inland stirrup]

Okay that means I will go for the 16 16 16 36 kit to overclock it later on

[elfin warren]

Yes

[hollow thorn]

If you're looking into ram oc and prepared to lose your sanity, yea

[inland stirrup]

Hahahaha thank you

i just found the F4-3600C14D-32GTZN (14 15 15 35) for only 10 bucks more @elfin warren @hollow thorn

I think it's a steal

[elfin warren]

Only $10 more?

I'd go for it

[inland stirrup]

Yeah

[hoary cedar]

Is now a good time to sell a CPU/mobo? Recently upgraded both and I'm not sure whether to hold on to them in case there's a future shortage or if there is one right now

[vast meadow]

just sell now, if you wait theyll loose value because of newer chips

[hollow thorn]

Your choice in the end

[topaz reef]

@hoary cedar sell now if you need the cash

[hoary cedar]

I just don't want to repeat the same mistake that I made with my old 1660S, which I sold for only 390€

[topaz reef]

how is that a mistake? almost double msrp

[hoary cedar]

https://your-face.is-ne.at/1tK2mv.png

[topaz reef]

oh so you just wanted more lol

[hoary cedar]

It sold instantly for that price, I should have priced it higher

[topaz reef]

the odds of hardware appreciating in price like this hasnt happened before really

its the perfect storm and wont last forever

[hoary cedar]

true

[topaz reef]

better to sell now then stuck holding the bag in a few months

same with stocks

[hoary cedar]

true

Anywhere I should look for pricing my i7-7700 (non k) and B250 PC MATE?

[topaz reef]

not long before all this started you could get a 1660 super NEW for under $200 usd

[hoary cedar]

true

I'm getting really mixed results when looking at successful sales on eBay: https://your-face.is-ne.at/5YvnPL.png

[topaz reef]

just type the model in quotes "7700" intel

[hoary cedar]

LOL https://your-face.is-ne.at/28q8DC.png

I think I'll go 160€ for mine since it's used (no box) but I do have the cooler.

[topaz reef]

yeah i dont get it tbh but people like to upgrade really old systems

[hoary cedar]

Bit high but people will always try to negotiate down.

Hmm.. not seeing any results for my mobo lol

It's this one. MSRP at $115 according to this https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Intel-B250-Motherboard-PC/dp/B01N4LCX2D

I'll probs sell it for 80€ since it's used.

[hardy moon]

Yikes 190 usd

And a 150 10400 is a better performance

[hoary cedar]

(no idea what i'm doing on the CPU market)

I just want to get the most money that is reasonable from my old hardware

[hoary cedar]

look at my username lol

[hardy moon]

Yeah

I’d say go like 130 - 140 euros for a package maybe 150 euros

[hoary cedar]

For both?

[hardy moon]

Yeah it’s a 7700 if more recent then you could get more but it’s kinda old now

[hardy moon]

You could definitely start at 200 euros and have it come down

Cause a 10400 + b560 would cost that much but I don’t think you’d be getting 240 euros for them together

[hoary cedar]

Actually I paid around that for mine (10400F + B560)

Alright 200 sounds fair

[spark spade]

It's here!

So I can just swap this for the 7 5800x I have on the motherboard right? I shouldn't need to do anything in the OS?

[topaz reef]

Yeah should be plug n play

[spark spade]

Should I clean the old thermal paste off the aio cooler? It's a new build so everything has been running for about a week. The aio has TP on it already stock, but I have replacement TP for the new CPU

[topaz reef]

you will want to remove the heatsink/plate first and clean it then you can unlatch the cpu

then reapply paste and seat the heatsink/plate

[spark spade]

Ok cool ty

[vast meadow]

yep, congrats

[vast meadow]

you just going to put 5800x on ebay or something now ?

[spark spade]

I dunno, I'm gonna resell it most likely. It has been used for like 5 days. I don't know what one would go for.

I'm not a scalper at all.

So I have no intent of selling it for 1000000000 doll hairs like some people are lol

I may put it up on bookface marketplace and trade for some other pc parts

[vast meadow]

lol, you could always put up for bid on ebay at msrp

then if you make profit ohh welll

[spark spade]

Hmm true true

[spark spade]

I shouldn't have to edit any of my bios stuff after switching the cpu do I? It took me right there after the switch

[vast meadow]

should be okay

[spark spade]

Everything is good and running

As always, thanks guys!

[vast meadow]

Linus VAG just dropped some 5900x's noice

[harsh night]

[vast meadow]

Damm didn't get one

[harsh night]

what was the code i couldne figure it out

[vast meadow]

It was easy he said it, it was something like 12zen3everything

[harsh night]

oh i thought it was 7nm

dumb

[naive pendant]

bruh i did "12zen3workstation"

cringe

[pale mist]

E5 2640 v3 or E51620 v2 for gameing

Base clock 2.8 turb 3.4 8 cores on the 26

Base clock 3.7 turb 3.9 4 cores on the 16

[vast meadow]

I was gonna say like gaming or something but then i remembered he said everything, but i was too late :/ ngl the quiz was kinda hard for someone who doesn't play triple A titles and only plays like 4 games absolutely max at a time

[hardy moon]

Yeah I had to search up a bunch of things like the doom eternal and Stardew valley things

[vast meadow]

Same

I knew doom was mars but the xbox 360 one was hard

Never owned a console other than the wii lol

[hardy moon]

Yeah lol I owned a 360 but I was 5

[naive pendant]

Why can’t I get my cpu into the socket

[elfin warren]

Pins are bent, If Intel, not lining it up right, or possible the wrong CPU/motherboard

[obtuse raven]

decent cpu w decent integrated graphics ??

any that come to ur minds

bc the gpu market is killing me

[eager shore]

11500 if you can't find a decently priced 4650g on the used market

[naive pendant]

Oh I saw the pins and bent them back. Will there be issues ?

[vast meadow]

As long as you post it should be fine

[boreal umbra]

what's a good b560 board

looking at the asrock pro4 and steel legend atm, but im not sure if they're any good

[vast meadow]

They're supposed to be g

[boreal umbra]

g

good?

[vast meadow]

Yes

[boreal umbra]

ok

[naive pendant]

Post what

[vast meadow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test

[naive pendant]

I need a graphics card for that

[vast meadow]

do you have integrated graphics?

it will check that instead

[naive pendant]

No it’s a 5800

Needs discrete card

[vast meadow]

that doesnt have graphics, so yes youll need a graphics card

[spark spade]

Whats everyones opinion on cpu monitoring software/app? like whats your go to?

[elfin warren]

HWINFO 64

[vast meadow]

i personally prefer hwmonitor for basic stuff like temps etc but hwinfo works too

[elfin warren]

HW monitor has some issues reading temps IIRC. There's an issue with it but I can't remember what it is.

[vast meadow]

ohh really?

[elfin warren]

Yeah, people stopped recommending it

I think it was misreading temp sensors or something?

[vast meadow]

looks fine to me

[elfin warren]

Ah, found it. It's on and off spoop #building-and-recc-chat message

All the HWBot overclocker folks use HWINFO64 so it kinda became the standard

[limber dragon]

you use hwinfo64 because it actually tells you voltages

[elfin warren]

Thanks

[vast meadow]

big oof

[vast meadow]

still okay or just checking temps then right?

[elfin warren]

Should be but sometimes spoop readings

[vast meadow]

Hmm I'll resort to nzxt cam then XD

[elfin warren]

Lol

[severe skiff]

Any news on the Threadripper pro motherboards?

Looking to upgrade my workstation into a new case with a better motherboard

[vast meadow]

No upgraded threadripper or leaks for it yet to my knowledge

[limber dragon]

the 39X5 cpus on TRX80?

[severe skiff]

The WRX80 motherboards

Im waiting for the ASUS one

[limber dragon]

its already released afaik

https://www.newegg.com/asus-pro-ws-wrx80e-sage-se-wifi/p/N82E16813119391 oh just oos

[severe skiff]

Well rip its out of stock everywhere

[limber dragon]

was in stock a couple of months ago

[robust leaf]

Can I get a good RAM recommendation for a Ryzen system under $200? No rgb is fine if it can get me 32gb.

[elfin warren]

3600 C16 of your choice

32 gigs, $189 https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232907?Description=3600 c16&cm_re=3600_c16-_-20-232-907-_-Product

[robust leaf]

Ok, I think I'll go with that one then. Good deal since it is on sale

[elfin warren]

I have that same kit. Works great with my 3700x

You do have 3000 series yeah?

[grizzled bloom]

That's exactly the one I was going to recommend too lol

[vernal cosmos]

G.SKILL is very nice

especially the ripjaws

[robust leaf]

@elfin warren This is C18, but is this better than the one you shared or are they basically equal? Check this out on @Newegg: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 4000 (PC4 32000) Intel XMP 2.0 Desktop Memory Model F4-4000C18D-32GVK https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374107?Item=N82E16820374107&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-374-107-_-04092021

[elfin warren]

Eh, it's oK. Mine are Hynix die, not the greatest at overclocking but otherwise it's perfectly fine

[elfin warren]

DDR4 4000? Do you have 5000 series AMD?

[robust leaf]

Yes

5600x

[elfin warren]

No guarantess you'll be able to push 2000 fclk

But if you want to try, that's the stuff

[robust leaf]

fclk?

[elfin warren]

Worst case is you downclock it and tighten timings

[vernal cosmos]

infinity fabric

is fclk

[elfin warren]

yeah it's tied to ram speed

[robust leaf]

oh ok.

[elfin warren]

FCLK = half ram speed

So

If you put that in and have the infinity fabric set to match, it may not post

3600 is safe

4000 requires fiddling

[vernal cosmos]

I mean he can always reduce fclk

in ryzen master

[robust leaf]

So the C16 would be a safer choice for someone inexperienced with fiddling with overclocking and undervolting?

[vernal cosmos]

yes

[elfin warren]

3600 would

3600 C16

[robust leaf]

Ok, since I'm not confident enough, I'll go C16

[vernal cosmos]

3800 would be okay too not more tho imo

[elfin warren]

Can't find that anymore

It's an odd ram speed

[vernal cosmos]

ahhh yes

3833 is the correct non odd frequency

[elfin warren]

Even that is kinda hard to find

[vernal cosmos]

unless OC

[elfin warren]

Jumps from 3600 to 4000 mostly

[vernal cosmos]

true

[grizzled bloom]

I got a 4133 kit, how's that for odd frequency?

[signal finch]

anyone familiar with ABS prebuilt systems?

I bought an ABS system that comewith with a gigabyte mobo, but ABS changed the ID of the mobo, so I cant updated the firmware by regular means

i need to update the BIOS to the F5b that comes with resizableBAR support ..:(

[grizzled bloom]

ABS should provide you with the BIOS on the support page, or else send them an email and they should send it

[split copper]

Is it just me or are these bios updates only going wrong

[grizzled bloom]

Probably just you 🙃

[split copper]

Xd

[sullen cobalt]

Bios updates are scary yo
the chance of your dog accidentally pulling the plug on the pc is low, but never zero

[split copper]

Door

Close

Block door

[vital field]

dog accidentally turns on every electronic in the house and blows a fuse

[vast meadow]

Yeah unless your updating bios for new chip compatibility just don't mb? I've debated it but don't know if worth it tbh

[sullen cobalt]

Yup i agree, dont see any other reason to
ive had people update bios for better ram oc and it didnt do anything beneficial

[vast meadow]

Oof

See the update notes for my mobos bios say improved start up time and improve m.2 compatibility and stuff and im gonna get an m.2 soon so idk if i should or not

[noble rampart]

uggh micro center bumped the prices of the ryzen 5 5600x to 350

[vast meadow]

Tbh the 5600x stock has kinda settled they ain't that hard to find anymore, try newegg or amd.com

[noble rampart]

there isn't any at amd

and newegg is 100 over mspr

*msrp

[hollow thorn]

AGESA updates also fix problems, for example, the new 1.2.0.2 is supposed to fix the usb problems on b550/x570

There's also features, like resizable bar, that come in later updates

[vast meadow]

Amd restocks pretty often to my knowledge, i believe between Tuesday and Thursday

[noble rampart]

ok

[wheat halo]

How can i check if i have b die ram?

[elfin warren]

Thaiphoon burner

[hidden rampart]

the problem is that thaiphoon is repeatedly wrong

which is pretty problematic

[vast meadow]

Are there any other programs to check then?

[hidden rampart]

best way to see is to take heatspreaders off and look at text on the chips

[vast meadow]

Idk know how you're supposed to do that lol, but i mean can typhoon really be that inaccurate or just sometimes?

[elfin warren]

Just sometimes

[vast meadow]

Deff a lot less effort than taking off the heat spreader

[hidden rampart]

na

Thaiphoon guesses the ic most of the time anyways

[vast meadow]

You'd think they'd just put some identifier on each die ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[naive pendant]

hm should i get a 5 3600 (as bad value as it is) with a 6700xt or smth just for the smart access memory?

or is 11400f still dominant

also should i get it over the 3070/3060 ti

since ik it's not as good with raytracing but idk if im going to do much with raytracing anyways

and im mostly playing java minecraft

so pathtracing it may be

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant Nvidia is also the king in terms of features

dlss reflex nvenc and the studio things

rtx voice, etc

[vast meadow]

11400f is better unless you already have a mobo board, in that case wait for 5600 imo if you can't afford 5600x

Honestly whatever gpu can get your hands on for the cheapest

Or well closest to msrp if you don't care about Nvidias feature set

[vast meadow]

Rtx voice is actually magic

[quick grotto]

How much could I resell a asus x470-f for

I don’t feel like doing a bios update

[hollow thorn]

Seems like 100$ or so is the going price
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=x470-f&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

[quick grotto]

As far as I can tell it’s never been used. Would that affect the price

[humble moth]

11400F doesn't have integrated graphics or overclock capabilities. 11600k can over clock and stronger fps. and the 11600 and 11500 have better integrated graphics over the 11400. for sure the 11400-600 is a better value over the overpriced 3600. 3060ti is a good baseline for fps. however, if you are not overclocking. then the 11400 with a 3060ti should be fine. my choice is the 11500 or higher.

[naive pendant]

the 5 3600 cant overclock either. 11600k is $280 and a z590 is like $170 tho

[humble moth]

so the non-overclock mother boards for the 11400. asus has a nice non overclock motherboard b550. save you over 100 bucks and another 100 bucks not getting the 11600k

[naive pendant]

correction: 5 3600 CAN oc but it's not a good idea

What is the cheapest cpu that can play games at decent fps

[frozen heron]

I can't enter my bios

tried sop many times

[proven spear]

Any mobos that come with a bios that can run the R7 5k series processors? Finding it frustrating as looking to get into AMD for first time. Building a photo/video editing rig.

[elfin warren]

Not yet, just get a board with flashback. Most B550 have them

All you need is a USB stick to do it

[vast meadow]

Yeah pbo is better anyway

[vast meadow]

Define decent, but probably a i3 10100

[naive pendant]

ok

I have GTX 1650 so probably going to get 10100F

[vast meadow]

Depends what you consider decent tho

But 10100 is decent

[naive pendant]

60fps in modern games

with GTX 1650 OC

[vast meadow]

Although sometimes the i5 10400f is cheaper and better

[naive pendant]

ok

[proven spear]

Thanks @elfin warren , concerned I would need an old email cpu to update the bios.

[vast meadow]

That doesn't define much, modern games could be cyberpunk 2077 or like valorant

[naive pendant]

yes those games

[vast meadow]

What

There's a big diff

[naive pendant]

modern games with similar requirements

[vast meadow]

Valorant will run on a potato

[naive pendant]

really

[vast meadow]

Cyberpunk 2077 will not

[elfin warren]

Nope! Just a board with flashback

[naive pendant]

what do you mean by potato

[vast meadow]

Practically, valorant is really well optimized

[naive pendant]

will valorant run on dual core

[vast meadow]

Not an actual potato but a bad cpu

[naive pendant]

fm2+ socket

Athlon X4 860K

not fully quad core

[proud widget]

i have to run my cpu at 1v with the the 4 pins disconnected from the 24 pin and 8 pin power header on my mb or else it will boot loop

help

[vast meadow]

Ehh what did you mess up to get into that mess XD?

[regal bobcat]

is it possible to mix ram?

for example two Tridents 2x 8gb + two Tridents 2 x16gb

both are the CAS latency just different memories

[limber dragon]

depends if they're the same memory chips, post a picture of the label

[vestal lynx]

hello all just a quick question to make sure im thinking right, i was getting new parts and want to make sure they will all work together. So i get the B550-F motherboard with a Ryzen 5 5600X CPU and DDR4-3200 8Gx2. Please and thank you for your help

[elfin warren]

DDR4 3600 C16 otherwise fine

[vestal lynx]

i went with these https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820231941

are they ok?

when you say C16 do you mean CAS Latency 16

[elfin warren]

Few bucks more for more speed to match CPU https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880

[vestal lynx]

thank you very much but would the ones i got still work or no?

[elfin warren]

I mean, it will work but losing performance

[vestal lynx]

thank you just wondering my on thought of the ones i picked out, still will do the return and get those, thank you for the help

[elfin warren]

enjoy it!

[strong mica]

Looking at z490 motherboards for 10900k looking at vision g, arous elite, and msi gaming edge. Looked at two sources for temps and they are both looking like they will do good don't plan on heavy overclocking anyone use these and recommend or dont recommend

[vast meadow]

Depends on the prices for them tbh, and you might as well go z590 if you don't have the mobo yet, actually if you don't have anything yet 5800x might be a better option unless you need the extra 2 cores, if you do 5900x might be better option if you can afford

[strong mica]

I got the 10900kf for 330. It was between that and 5600x decided to go for extra cores as I am a computer science major.

Looking for motherboard around or under 250 after taxes or 230 before.

And as its a 10900 the z590 pci gen 4 isn't need and they seem about the same otherwise with z490s being cheaper.

[vast meadow]

Well it has slightly better usb support but I'll look up and see on pc part picker, i assume you're from the us?

[strong mica]

Yep.

Is vram heat sink quality something I sould look at or most the higher end boards good aslong as I don't try to push the cpu to the limit.

[vast meadow]

Pretty much most of them are fine if you just want to lightly overclock

Do you want a WiFi board as well or no?

[strong mica]

Preferably not required.

[vast meadow]

Okay

[strong mica]

Have a nic for pcie slot.

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CJ8bt6/gigabyte-z590-ud-ac-atx-lga1200-motherboard-z590-ud-ac something like this

[vast meadow]

What do you mean by this sorry?

[strong mica]

Network interface card

Its used to give a computer internet can be lan wifi or both

[vast meadow]

Oh right well the board i linked should be fine and it has wifi

[ionic hamlet]

I'm still mulling over what mobo I'm going to get. Since I'm hunting for a 5600x, I'm mostly looking at b550 boards.

[elfin warren]

Good choice

[vast meadow]

^ b550 is a good chipset, not overkill and it's still enough for the high end too

[ionic hamlet]

And I think I might need a second cheap flash drive so I can flash the BIOS to get the CPU to work. (Among features required, BIOS flashback, wifi, and I want an integrated I/O shield to save hassle.) My only current flash drive I turned into a Win 10 install drive the other day.

[vast meadow]

You could always just format the Windows 10 install drive, use it for BIOS flashback then after that turn into windows 10 drive

[ionic hamlet]

It's not like flash drives are that expensive.

[vast meadow]

True but imo there's not much point to buying a new one

[vast meadow]

Matx or atx?

[ionic hamlet]

Its an ATX case. (I didn't want to fuss with any funkier form factors.)

[vast meadow]

Jw because you can fit matx into atx cases btw

[ionic hamlet]

http://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P360X.html

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZyjNnQ/asus-tuf-gaming-b550-plus-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b550-plus-wi-fi or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Vb3mP6/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-ax-v2-atx-am4-motherboard-b550aorus-elite-axv2 or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2f4BD3/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi

They are all same price, have bios flashback wifi and integrated io shield

[ionic hamlet]

I've seriously considered the MSI one before. Bonus it looks nice and doesn't have tacky yellow or orange accents.

[vast meadow]

You can also get the asus rog strix b550 f for 10$ more

[ionic hamlet]

Funnily enough, since I've generally had good luck with MSI products (my laptop was MSI, after all) I might just end up going with that one. It has two ARGB headers, which means I can hook both my RGB fan hub and case lighting to the motherboard.

(Yeah, I mentioned laptop is slowly dying.. but I also put it through a lot of use over nearly five years. The fact the only part that failed is one I can work around... is not really putting me off.)

[vast meadow]

Nice fair enough, I've had good luck with msi for gpus, never tried their motherboards but have had good luck with msi as well as gigabyte and evga tbh

[ionic hamlet]

The 3060 is EVGA, but it's a nice plain black that shouldn't clash with anything.

[vast meadow]

Nice

[subtle lava]

so i recently built a pc yesterday and when i enable XMP for my ram it just turns off and on with no screen

and motherboard has a orange light next to Dram when its doing that

can someone help cant really find anything

[vast meadow]

What mobo cpu and ram do you have btw

The xmp might not be supported

[subtle lava]

cpu is the 11700k mobo z590 pro

[elfin warren]

BIOS updated? They often contain memory compatibility updates

[subtle lava]

ram is corsair 3600 rgb pro

[vast meadow]

Yeah mb update bios like vintage said

[elfin warren]

Well, there's only one available lol

XD

[subtle lava]

how do i update bios? i downloaded the thinng from website

[elfin warren]

If it's the MSI Z590 pro

[subtle lava]

and its a .117 file

[elfin warren]

Z590 pro wifi?

MSI?

[subtle lava]

yes

z590 pro wifi

[elfin warren]

There's only one BIOS available so no updates :/

It's a beta too

[subtle lava]

so what can i do to fix the xmp

2133 is giving me headaches lol

[elfin warren]

How many XMP profiles are there?

And what does it say?

[subtle lava]

it only says disable or enable

[elfin warren]

What slots are the ram sticks in?

[subtle lava]

2 and 4

[vast meadow]

Ahh, I've seen some other z590 boards get updates already tho wasn't sure

[elfin warren]

A2/B2?

Furthest from the CPU, skip a slot, ram stick?

[subtle lava]

yeah

[elfin warren]

I have too

[subtle lava]

that

[elfin warren]

Ye

Nothing in the manual about BIOS settings either, awesome

[hardy moon]

Z590 wack but thankfully asus rolled out a bios update for my board 3 days ago

[subtle lava]

what do i do lol

[hardy moon]

First update

[vast meadow]

Ahh, whack

[subtle lava]

why is my ram usage soo high? it says 10gb usage

[elfin warren]

I'd delve a little deeper into the XMP settings and see if there is 1 or 2 profiles. XMP on the main screen but should be more settings somewhere in the Overclocking or Tweaker section

[subtle lava]

if i see profile

do i click 1 or 2

[elfin warren]

Depends on the settings, make sure the selected profile matches your ram speed and timings

[subtle lava]

I am pretty sure this does not add up to 10gb

[vast meadow]

Wallpaper.exe taking 1gb ram 💀

[subtle lava]

yeah something is using too much ram that task manager wont show

its saying all those is taking up 11gb

[vast meadow]

Did you try reseat your ram just incase?

[subtle lava]

yes

i reinstalled it twice just to be sure

it even reads it as 32

Its either the os thats messed up

I did xmp again and

[elfin warren]

Honestly it's probably a BIOS update thing. Hopefully they drop one for you soon

Current BIOS is Beta

[subtle lava]

Yeah ig

Removed stick and its normal

[elfin warren]

Removed a stick of ram?

[subtle lava]

yes

[elfin warren]

And it's running at XMP?

3600?

[subtle lava]

No

removed to get a screen

Otherwise it was blwck screen

[elfin warren]

What's ram speed, 2133?

[subtle lava]

Yes

[elfin warren]

ah, and it will run both at 2133 without issues?

[subtle lava]

Yes

[elfin warren]

If so, I'd wait for a BIOS update TBH. If you still have issues after that, might consider the ram kit defective.

Could also try manually setting 3600 speed, timings and voltage

[subtle lava]

wait does Corsair have warranty on ram?

[elfin warren]

Of course

[subtle lava]

Oh okay

[elfin warren]

But I'd wait for a BIOS update TBH

[subtle lava]

Yeah me too

i wont game rn tho can’t expect much from integrated graphics

[elfin warren]

SHould still do allright

[subtle lava]

its intel so ram speed shouldnt make that big of a difference

[elfin warren]

Not true TBH

Difference between 2133 and 3600 will be noticeable

[subtle lava]

true

[elfin warren]

Sweet spot is 3200 for the most part, diminishing returns above that

[subtle lava]

but i need a gpu for those fps 😂

[elfin warren]

LOL!

It'll help the iGPU also tho since it uses system memory

[subtle lava]

hopefully

[vast meadow]

https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg this needs to be shown to ppl who don't believe you because it's better on userbenchmark XD just to save someone else explaining it

[sullen cobalt]

its called memebenchmark for a reason
i honestly laugh when people try and compare stuff using it

[grizzled bloom]

People do it all the time here. "Hey is this benchmark result good?" No. Sorry, that website is invalid and the percentages are completely arbitrary. Getting a "90%" gaming score means absolutely nothing.

[mild jackal]

I like it for ssd benches

[grizzled bloom]

The SSD benches are ridiculous too though. It comes back to those arbitrary percentages. Apparently 300% is average which... What?

[mild jackal]

I don't look at those numbers, not useful

I find it useful when shopping for non-consumer ssd's like sm841's or other random OEM drives and comparing their average user scores to a drive I am familiar with, e.g. an mx500 https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-SM841N-25-7mm-256GB-vs-Crucial-MX500-250GB/m12586vs3951

[naive pendant]

LOOL ubm is a

imagine

11900k > 5950x!!1!!11!

[vast meadow]

https://c.tenor.com/2W5OnKtqazoAAAAM/big-oof-rog-rig-reboot.gif

[vast meadow]

I3 haswell worse than 5950x

[naive pendant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807000232797798473/829114505999941722/petpet.gif

[naive pendant]

yea but 11th gen i9 is notoriously bad

[naive pendant]

you realize that 5950x is worse than a 5900x in single core workloads right?

and 11900k beats 5900x in some single core workloads

obviously meaning 5950x can be beaten by a 11900k easily in the right conditions

[vast meadow]

Ik but still a better comparison than an i3 lul

[long geyser]

lot of 10th gen+ CPUs can beat Zen3 CPUs in single core fairly easily, just get them good core/uncore+mem OC with timings tuned

[spark gate]

Is 4x8 still better than 2x8 in AMD 5000 series/dual channel? Without manual ram tuning and only factory DOCP used?

[vast meadow]

Well only if you need 32gb

[grim jay]

Yo

I5 10400 vs i5 11400 ?

Not for gaming

Is the 11 gen worth it or just save 20$

[hidden rampart]

I would go for the 11400

[grim jay]

Why ?

[hidden rampart]

it has a better iGPU, and better pure rasterization performance, more features but they don't matter for the average consumer

[grim jay]

I think the i5 11500

Is a good deal

Have the new igpu

[vast meadow]

Yeah if you're worried about the igpu get 11500 but otherwise the 11400 isn't a huge jump over 11500

[grim jay]

Yeah i dont want to spend money on the gpu

[vast meadow]

I meant 11400 isn't a huge jump over 10400* sorry

[grim jay]

Yeah

If you compare it to r5 3400g

Who wins ?

[hollow thorn]

probably just because not enough runs, but uh, somehow uhd730 benches better than uhd750 on passmark...
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Intel-UHD-730-vs-Intel-UHD-630-vs-Intel-UHD-750-vs-Radeon-Vega-11/4379vs3826vs4378vs4136

[grim jay]

Lol

[hidden rampart]

lol

[hollow thorn]

I was going to make a comment about uhd730 not as good as uhd750 in the 11500 but

yaknow

I guess not right now

[grim jay]

Just save the 10$ hhhhhh

The b560 are out ?

[vast meadow]

Will you be actually using the igpu apart from to power your screen? If not the i5 wins

[vast meadow]

Yeah they are

[grim jay]

Yes i think they can run 4k videos easy ?

[vast meadow]

As in a 4k monitor or rendering?

[grim jay]

Yes 4k tv

[vast meadow]

If you're doing 4k I'd spend the extra bit on 11500

[grim jay]

Ok i will see

[lilac topaz]

what ryzen cpus can be compared/better than a i7 6700

[grim jay]

Thank you

[vast meadow]

Np

[grim jay]

I think thr r5 3600

Is better

[vast meadow]

Ryzen came out around i7 7700 so nothing

[lilac topaz]

i mean what ones are better for a cheapish price

[grim jay]

R5 3600

Or get the i5 10400f

Its cheap i think

[lilac topaz]

it looks like a good price

[vast meadow]

But that's a cpu that came out in 2016, ryzen was not out then what do you mean

[vital field]

10400f. cheaper and also if you have a micro center its $110

[lilac topaz]

i mean what one are better than a i7 6700

[vast meadow]

Ohh

I thought you wanted ryzen equivalent

[lilac topaz]

lol

[grim jay]

If you are just using the 1650

Dont upgrade

[vast meadow]

10400f for 110-150 is pretty good

[grim jay]

Not worrh it

[vast meadow]

Incorrect 1650 is decent gpu

[lilac topaz]

whats the f vers? i cant remember

[vast meadow]

No igpu

[grim jay]

No igpu

[lilac topaz]

so no integrated graphics

meh that wouldnt be a problem

[grim jay]

But the he will not see a bottleneck with the i7

[vast meadow]

You can get one with i gpu for like 20$ more it's just the plain 10400

[vast meadow]

It's an old i7 5 years old

[lilac topaz]

1650 is a little powerhouse tho its not that big

[vast meadow]

It's still decent not like you can upgrade it atm anyway

[grim jay]

I have an i5 4 gen + 1650 super

Running perfect

Cpu 100% gpu 100%

[vast meadow]

Depends on games

There's also no way 0%gpu

[grim jay]

Maximum 5% bottleneck

[hollow thorn]

lol

[vast meadow]

False and depends on games

[vast meadow]

According to userbenchmark?

[grim jay]

Just my experience

[hollow thorn]

uh

[grim jay]

With games

[hollow thorn]

your experience?

compared to what

[vast meadow]

^

[grim jay]

Casual gaming

[hollow thorn]

you got a spare 9900k or 3080 that you can use to check if it's being bottlenecked?

:P

[vast meadow]

XD

[vast meadow]

bUt bOtTlEnEcK cAlC sAyS nO bOtTlEnEcK

[grim jay]

Always depends.....

[hollow thorn]

then don't just say 5% pls

[grim jay]

Okey

[lilac topaz]

so ryzen 7 or 5

[vast meadow]

I'd go intel 10400 if you're on budget, if not 5600x is technically better in games, imo not worth 2x 10400s tho

[grim jay]

Do you think its worth it to upgrade from i5 4gen to r5 3600 for a gtx 1650 super ?

[vast meadow]

First of all whats your budget

[vast meadow]

Yes 100%

[grim jay]

If you are just using the pc casual

[vast meadow]

I'd recommend 10400 instead

Cheaper then 3600

And performs same or better

[lilac topaz]

idk yet lol

[vast meadow]

Hyperthreading is serious like worth for that alone

[grim jay]

Spend 300-400€ for no bottleneck lol

[vast meadow]

That depends on what we can recommend

[grim jay]

I dont think its worth it

[lilac topaz]

just wnating to know if ryzen or intel is better in the i7 category

[vast meadow]

Stop using that phrase, there's always a bottleneck in your system, even if you have a 5950x and 2 3090s

[grim jay]

Ok

[vast meadow]

It all depends on price

[lilac topaz]

true

whats the difference between 9th and 10th gen cpus

in like performence

[vast meadow]

Big, only the 9900k on 9th gen has hypertheading, 10th gen has hyper threading on all and 9th gen is same price

Sometimes 9th gen is more expensive

[lilac topaz]

ok

[hidden rampart]

I really hate that logic lol

[grim jay]

Yeah

I need to stop

[hidden rampart]

it just makes me

[vast meadow]

I mean it's true tho

[hidden rampart]

it is but the extent of a botteleneck varies too much between games and settings. It's a balance per-game and changes even mid-game or depending on graphics/game settings.

just because you have something that will constantly hold you back in your system, you should not go around saying "yea everything bottlenecks everything" I mean it's just very to me

[vast meadow]

Yes ik i was just trying to prove a point that you can't not have a bottleneck in your system

Because they said 0% bottleneck for 300-400$

[hidden rampart]

k

[grim jay]

I said bottleneck

[grim jay]

Because sometimes i dont want to build a new pc for a new gpu

Just my logic

Sorry if i am wrong

[vast meadow]

Nothing wrong with buying that way, i kinda do the same but there will always be a bottleneck which is just misconceiving

[grim jay]

True 100 %

[mild birch]

@mild jackal this is one of the few servers I don’t have “tech expert” or equivalent

Assuming it isn’t bound to some exam

And is based on activity

You’ll be seeing a lot more of@me

[mild jackal]

haha

[mild birch]

I get pissed off easily at the prospect of people having higher ranked tech roles than me 😌

[mild birch]

Hi decks

[hidden rampart]

hiii 🥰

[mild birch]

Imagine trying to get my attention in DMs

And failing

(That’s you)

[hidden rampart]

iil literally message u every day

[mild birch]

Ok good luck with that

Meanwhile I’ll be working on my ram guide

@mild jackal sneak peak for you

Oh also

[hidden rampart]

nicee

[mild jackal]

achievement hunter

[mild birch]

That’s literally what it is though tbh

[mild jackal]

It's fun, ngl

[wheat python]

could a mobo cause bsod?

[hollow thorn]

yes

basically anything can

[vast meadow]

R7 5700g leak :o

[hollow thorn]

I'm more interested in the iGPU perf lol

[vast meadow]

Same but looks like only that and cinebench was ran

There's the lineup tho

Supposedly

[grizzled bloom]

The iGPU still has driver issues to work out (from what I've heard) so any benchmarks of it are useless until that's fixed

[hollow thorn]

wack

[subtle lava]

brru