The 5600X with a +200 boost offset pulled under 110
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
naive pendant
i think you can get a z490 with 200$
naive pendant
well ye
z490 is for 10400f is more of a future planning to 10700k or...yeah
maybe 11600k?
eager shore
who knows if intel will keep the lga1200 socket
naive pendant
ye
but ddr5 price gonna be expensive at start.
grizzled bloom
11600k would be worth it, trades blows with 5600X
naive pendant
who knows if intel will keep the lga1200 socket
lga1200 is EOL at 11th gen
glossy dust
b560 pro4 or steel legend
whichever is cheaper ig. idk much bout assrock but iirc pro4 is cheaper series
eager shore
it'll be enough for a 10400f
grizzled bloom
lga1200 is EOL at 11th gen
So is AM4 socket for that matter
eager shore
smh
glossy dust
tho in my newegg pro4 is oos
eager shore
check amazon
glossy dust
unless restocked lol
hmmm
nop
not rly buying but just looking on availability and prices
shipping cost not funny
oh wait it is
eager shore
the b560 should be 109.99
eager shore
the b560 steel legend should cost $130, + the s&h, it should fit in your budget
eager shore
well there's more b560 boards out there but they haven't hit any retailers shelves afaik
naive pendant
nvm, b460 have cheaper options rn
glossy dust
yep
eager shore
z490-a pro should be $150
glossy dust
smh why b460
eager shore
b460 smh
naive pendant
nah, i was just talking about price on b460
glossy dust
well ofc it was cheaper
naive pendant
but ye, b560 is really worth due to ram OC
eager shore
nah
glossy dust
in terms of pricing
glossy dust
at least here it'll most likely will
ionic hamlet
b560 is Intel, b550 is AMD.
glossy dust
ionic hamlet
I was stating it for the newbies who might peek in at the wrong time and get confused
naive pendant
eager shore
fair
glossy dust
ah ok
eager shore
which one is it?
naive pendant
eager shore
oh bruh lmao
eager shore
that should be like $70 lmaoaoa
naive pendant
yep
eager shore
amazon third party sellers i'm assuming?
naive pendant
i've seen b560 for 100$ bucks from asrock
glossy dust
at least here it's the first b560s available
ionic hamlet
I'd still like to go Ryzen for my future build.
eager shore
amd smh
glossy dust
ok
eager shore
i've seen b560 for 100$ bucks from asrock
b560m pro4 prolly
glossy dust
yea pro4 cheap
ionic hamlet
And said build will stay future until I can get my hands on a GPU.
glossy dust
thos oos
naive pendant
b560m pro4 prolly
yep
it is 190$ on pcpp rn
eager shore
good luck with getting a gpu on your hands 😳
naive pendant
glossy dust
get ur hands on igpu
eager shore
go intel 😎
grizzled bloom
10100 with an igpu is in stock at microcenter for $100 lol
naive pendant
get ur hands on igpu <:kekw:741678350791081994>
even them
the decent APUs are out of stock all the time
ionic hamlet
I don't wanna go Intel.
grizzled bloom
AMD has APUs coming later this year that should be epic if leaks are to be believed
naive pendant
i mean...you can look for a ryzen 40xx
those should be in stock on aliexpress or ebay
ashen thorn
Intel has lost the war just like jayz said on YouTube this morning.
naive pendant
AMD has APUs coming later this year that should be epic if leaks are to be belie...
someone got their hands on one of the engineering samples aswell
grizzled bloom
Yeah it's pretty sad when your top chip trades blows with the third from the top of your competition
glossy dust
Intel has lost the war just like jayz said on YouTube this morning.
no one should really care which one would win or not. as long as both try hrd to innovate it's good
ashen thorn
Okay makes sense
eager shore
Intel has lost the war just like jayz said on YouTube this morning.
nah, more like the tables have now turned, intel now rocks it in the price to performance and amd is rocking it in the high end
glossy dust
they fight, but it's the consumers who'll win before them
grizzled bloom
someone got their hands on one of the engineering samples aswell
Samples aren't a great indicator of final performance, but they can give a ballpark idea
ionic hamlet
is sort of tired of being told to wait
Last year, first it was "wait for b550." Then, when that finally came out... "Wait for the 30XX GPUs instead of buying a 2060 Super, they'll make the old GPUs cheaper." And now, here I am. Still waiting, with only a handful of parts for my build.
glossy dust
hugo something from china
naive pendant
Samples aren't a great indicator of final performance, but they can give a ballp...
ye
and the igpu does hold up though
grizzled bloom
glossy dust
showed higher scores than 3300x
dunno bout the other higher one tho
the one that'd have vega 11 i think
since the 5300g had vega 8
blazing lichen
So Asus EZ update wont find new Bios updates. Although I am worried about updating the bios in fear of bricking my computer.
glossy dust
just search b560 on amazon or newegg lol
ionic hamlet
.... I'm just really wishing I hadn't waited. Now I don't know if I'll ever freaking get to finish what I started. Or if I'll just have to cave and buy a prebuilt and never get to use the case and fans I picked out for myself.
eager shore
Could u link
low plinth
Just take the pre-built parts and put them in your case
eager shore
.... I'm just really wishing I hadn't waited. Now I don't know if I'll ever frea...
same
boreal umbra
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=9SIAN0MDV41223%2C9...
Thx
eager shore
Just take the pre-built parts and put them in your case
some prebuilt companies use oem boards specifically designed for their case and don't fit the standards for the normal atx, matx, itx, etc form factors
low plinth
Get one that's not
grizzled bloom
Yeah shuffle started real early today, 6AM
velvet stirrup
Can I get context as to what the shuffle is?
eager shore
it's a lottery of things that normally sell out really fast, like ps5's, new gpu's, new cpu's, and other things, you join the shuffle, you pick the items you want to buy, you enter and if you win, you've got a set amount of hours to be able to buy that item without worrying if it's gonna go out of stock, if you loose, then no item allocated for you to buy
velvet stirrup
Oh okay this would have been great to know sooner. When did Newegg start doing this?
eager shore
um, idk the exact date but it's gotta be more than a month
velvet stirrup
Well... I'm not too late to the party I guess
eager shore
yee, i've joined a few shuffles, but haven't won any lol
grizzled bloom
It's been a few months now for shuffle, at least 2. I won a 5800X so far, trying for a graphics card still.
azure silo
Hi I had a couple questions I never had a ryzen cpu before and I just got this one 7 3700x and was wondering if my temps were ok at idle is about 40 and wile playing warzone it gets to 70-75 with the occasional jump to 79-80 then right back down is this ok?
potent zenith
Hi I had a couple questions I never had a ryzen cpu before and I just got this o...
I think thats okay
potent zenith
I think max temp of a processor is 95 C? But im not sure, but you are definitely good
azure silo
Mainly wondering because my brothers i9 stays way cooler
potent zenith
Mainly wondering because my brothers i9 stays way cooler
Do you use stock cooler?
potent zenith
Well I have no clue :)(
potent zenith
it should probably be so idk, or perhaps is his computer really dusty
azure silo
Nah his stays cooler than mine that why I was wondering if my temps were ok
potent zenith
If so no he does not
I didnt ask him, he told me himself
grizzled bloom
Ryzen processors won't throttle until past 85C. Your temps are fine for the stock cooler. If you want to overclock you might want a new cooler though. A good air cooler will be fine.
azure silo
Ryzen processors won't throttle until past 85C. Your temps are fine for the stoc...
Ok thank you very much i appreciate it.
slate phoenix
help im looking for a set of 16gb ram that is 3600mhz BUT is under 30mm tall cause i use a d15
slate phoenix
or not use the second fan on the d15
yea but i would like to keep it on
plus the ram is not a pending problem just wanna start scouting
wraith arrow
r7 5800x is good with an 3070 or 6800xt right?
hollow thorn
yes
naive pendant
you know some good ram for legion y540?
vast meadow
you know some good ram for legion y540?
what cpu does it have in it?
or more importantly what speed is current ram
eager shore
it supports up to 32gb ddr4 @ 2666mhz
so dimm sockets as well
laptop moment
it has dual channel as well so that's nice, open up your laptop and check if there's one stick only or two @naive pendant
naive pendant
I've got 1 stick 8gb. I didn't changed ram. It's default
eager shore
pop in another 1 stick ddr4 sodimm module rated for the same speeds and timings and you'll be set
it doesn't really matter which one it is
naive pendant
you know some recommend company and does it need headsink?
eager shore
it doesn't need a heatsink and the only companies ik of that make sodimm ddr4 mem are crucial, gskill, and teamgroup
naive pendant
thx
static slate
Is 650 for a 5900x a good price ?
gilded obsidian
about $100 over MSRP isn't too bad but it's also how you view it
glossy dust
amd new one to scrape money out of u
intel now giving u some more price cuts and is being competitive in terms of pricing
vast meadow
intel now giving u some more price cuts and is being competitive in terms of pri...
Lol you've clearly not seen 11th gen pricing then
glossy dust
what's 11th gen?
lol i'm reffering to the 10th gen's recent price cuts
but tbh i actually forgot if it's actually a cut or just a sale
vast meadow
but tbh i actually forgot if it's actually a cut or just a sale <:kekw:741678350...
Yeah ik 10th gen good detail 11th gen 💩 and 11th gen got price hikes
pale mist
honestly 11th gen helped me a lot
by being awful but new it was forced to drive price down on the 10 series and now I can get almighty value
possibly to the point that a 10900k will simply be a better price then the 5900x, and they trade blows anyway
10900f is only 350$ 
and seeing as that it is super close to the 500+$ 5900x...
vast meadow
Just get a 10850k tbh, it's a 10900k but 100mhz lower freq
naive pendant
Just get a 10850k tbh, it's a 10900k but 100mhz lower freq
vast meadow
<:zack:814339195149484082>
What lol?
vast meadow
Or legit anywhere in the EU
naive pendant
wot
vast meadow
It's like €300
vernal cloud
I bought MSI Mpg Z490 and I noticed that for CPU power i need 8 + 4 pin but on my power supply rm650x I dont have any 4 pin cable , what can i do ?
vernal cloud
even for i7 10700k ?
vernal cloud
Thanks a lot mate !
elfin warren
YW
modest bear
If i'm running quad channel ram, am I ok to buy two kits of 2 sticks or do I have to buy a single kit of 4 sticks?
vast meadow
If it's the same kit yes
oak merlin
Anyone know if f4-3600c16q-32gtzrc is compatible with a asus crosshair viii hero with ryzen 7 5800? When i plugged the sticks in only 2 of the 4 works, while the other 2 says N/A
vast meadow
Anyone know if f4-3600c16q-32gtzrc is compatible with a asus crosshair viii hero...
Try reseat the ram
hollow thorn
@oak merlin Reseating the ram means just taking them out and putting them back in
oak merlin
Oh yeah did that many times
oak merlin
Yeah i agree
Idk if this helps but, when i swapped sticks around none booted.
But when i put the one that does work on 2 and 4 it turns on
oak merlin
Jus 2
elfin warren
Oh, I thought you said all the sticks worked in those slots
oak merlin
Sorry worded wrong. But yea 2 of the 4 sticks turn on but the other 2 doesnt , even if i plug into a2 and b2
hollow thorn
So, possibly 2 dead sticks..?
elfin warren
yeah
oak merlin
I tried a memory presets in the bios too, chose option 4x8 3600mhz one, none turned on. resulted in pc booting to safe mode bios. More then likely dead sticks?
glossy dust
If i'm running quad channel ram, am I ok to buy two kits of 2 sticks or do I hav...
first, 4 sticks isn't quad channel. it's dual channel with 2 sticks per channel. second, place 2 pieces of dual kit memory, just so all the same and it should work well with each other
void jolt
Could be that the two kits weren’t tested with each other and therefore don’t work
Rare occurrence but it can happen
elfin warren
It was a 4 stick kit
rigid hemlock
i had 2 2-stick kits i had to run slightly lower speed to make work (3888 or whatever instead of 4000)
glossy dust
ah i forgot that there's some 4 stock kit being sold too
elfin warren
f4-3600c16q-32gtzrc
modest bear
first, 4 sticks isn't quad channel. it's dual channel with 2 sticks per channel....
That's what I thought. I said quad channel cause 4 sticks, didn't know I was wrong on that part. Thanks for the help
modest bear
so hypothetically two 2x16 kits of Trident Z rgb 3600mhz would work just fine
glossy dust
but yea like vintage said, u could buy 2 dual kits or 4in1 kit
owh 2x16
that's big af
void jolt
so hypothetically two 2x16 kits of Trident Z rgb 3600mhz would work just fine
If overclocking, Ballistix would be better
But yeah
modest bear
just down to whatever's cheapest
glossy dust
btw if u want 3600mhz pls don't pay for 3600 cl18
it's just a more expensive 3200 cl16 iirc
modest bear
ok
glossy dust
ram budget?
you could get this
https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164206?Description=crucial ballistix rgb 3600 32gb&cm_re=crucial_ballistix rgb 3600 32gb-_-20-164-206-_-Product
2 orders for $418 ( no vat yet i suppose but u can add to cart and check it)
if u saw a better deal on the same product it's fine if it isn't newegg
void jolt
^high quality but only if you are overclocking
If you aren’t overclocking, get whatever looks good and has decent reviews
TridentZ is fine
glossy dust
eh
i checked the 4x16 kit
499
ok so i think 2 orders of trident z (the black + rgb one) 2x16 3600 cl16 is $438
glossy dust
TridentZ is fine
i think he wants the "good" and "cheapest" option
ballistix i think cheaper than trident z
void jolt
I thought he was getting 32gb?
glossy dust
ye
cheapest of that spec & capacity ig
if he doesn't care bout rgb i think the ripjaws would be fine
rocky forge
Anyonr ever order stuff from moddiy?
oblique crown
Can someone hit me please with some CPU benchmark websites in English, French, German, Spanish, anything, but not user benchmarks.
vast meadow
Can someone hit me please with some CPU benchmark websites in English, French, G...
3d mark timespy, 3d mark demo on steam
oblique crown
Thank you
oblique crown
I don't want a CPU benchmark tool, I want to see a consistent non general user statistic table. Or a few of them.
vast meadow
What you mean? So you can compare to others?
oblique crown
Something like toms hardware one.
I am not certain what CPU to buy, and I have been studying this for a few weeks now.
vast meadow
What you mean? So you can compare to others?
Cpu z has a site like thi
oblique crown
Cpu z has a site like thi
Thanks, will look there.
vast meadow
I am not certain what CPU to buy, and I have been studying this for a few weeks ...
What's your budget
oblique crown
Variable :)) 500 to 1500
vast meadow
Thanks, will look there.
3d mark does too just look at the cpu section only
FOR A CPU?
oblique crown
Hm, many things :)) Work, gaming, simulations that run 100% CPU all the time, etc.
Some websites say go AMD all the way. In Toms hardware, the Intel CPUs are sensibly close to the AMD.
If intels are sensibly close, even if worse, I will go Intel. If they are far away from AMDs, I will go AMD.
vast meadow
I would get something like a 5900x or 5950x then by sounds of things
oblique crown
Those seem to be the best ones. Within a budget of course :))
vast meadow
Yes, intel don't really compete at what you're looking for atm
oblique crown
I don't understand tho why in some statistics the 3950X is better than most if not all Intels, yet on Toms hardware, which is not user review, they rank below many other CPUs
Intel CPUs
vast meadow
Because 11th gen i9 only has 8 cores as well
wheat halo
And using more power
oblique crown
I have been trying to find out some detailed articles about 8 cores versus 16 cores 😄
vast meadow
I don't understand tho why in some statistics the 3950X is better than most if n...
Not sure exactly I'd have to see what you're talking bout, but the 3950x is 12 cores, whereas intels highest core count is i9 with 10 cores
oblique crown
To explain how much you lose gain etc. I don't understand why Intel will still go 8 cores in the next gen too
vast meadow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
oblique crown
I mean, I am thinking there should be a catch, or would they just shoot themselves in the foot?
I don't get it
vast meadow
To explain how much you lose gain etc. I don't understand why Intel will still g...
If you're running intense simulations and willing to spend 500 on just a cpu, it's at least a r9 5900x imo
vast meadow
I don't get it
To quote gamers nexus, 11th gen is basically a waste of sand
I think they were just trying to beat amd in single core
Because before 11th gen amd had best single core
oblique crown
Yes, that's what I don't get it :)) In a time where it seems that the materials for GPUs and CPUs seem hard to get, why the heck go gen 11 while basically still lagging behind older AMDs 😄
Regarding 3950x, this is what I meant https://prnt.sc/111hgdw
For some reasons, it's ranked way bellow a bunch of intel cpus
9 supposedly better Intel cpus.
That's for gaming only, not CPU intensive apps like I'd need too.
vast meadow
Yes, that's what I don't get it :)) In a time where it seems that the materials ...
Idk, 11th gen is just a stop gap, as 12th gen is coming in Q4 i believe
oblique crown
On a new motherboard the mofos.
I want to upgrade now. I can't get everything now, then change motherboard and CPU again, and maybe DDR5 too
vast meadow
Ddr5 gonna be costly too
oblique crown
I mean not within an year
oblique crown
Ddr5 gonna be costly too
That's definitely a no for me. CPU is the most expensive part of my pc.
The rest, I am not willing to spend.
I will even use my old 1060 video card :))
On the new pc
vast meadow
Yep 5900x or if you want 5950x
oblique crown
I have already refunded the Intel board I purchased, time to get the AMD pieces.
split copper
I want DDR3 kits at floor mopping prices 
oblique crown
Sometimes I do lots, for 1-2 weeks, sometimes nope.
vast meadow
Fair
oblique crown
Thank you @vast meadow you have a kudos from me 😄
vast meadow
Np
oblique crown
Hm, what cooler should I get for a 5900x? If possible from the Be Quiet category.
Dark Rock Pro 4 good enough?
Or anything else, if it's not too noisy
oblique crown
Thanks, I moved it to cooling, and I think I am going to go Arctic Liquid Freezer 2
vast meadow
Very good just make sure you're case can fit a 280mm rad if you're getting that one
oblique crown
Yup, checked on pcpartpicker and Be quiet 802 fits it.
I already have the case.
That cooler fits fine with the quiet theme I want 😄
vast meadow
Nice
slate phoenix
where are all the fan header on this
cause i need to plu in one more fan i have 2 already plugged in
elfin warren
slate phoenix
ok thx
oh another problem my mic dosent work on this mobo i plugged in the hd audio cable so idk whats going on
also i tried a split-er cable with one for my mike and one for audio
remote grove
Not sure where to ask this but it is about the motherboard connections on my second hand PC. The previous user kept the cables for the case's proprietary USB ports at the front of the case so I am replacing them with a new piece of hardware
I know the MB has a USB 3.0 port for this one,
But will there be any issues if I want to install this in the back as well?
vast meadow
I don't know what you mean exactly, but the 2nd one just uses pcie instead of your motherboard header
So as long as you have spare pcie slot you can add that
hollow thorn
That's a lot of usb ports...
vast meadow
You could always just buy a hub?
hollow thorn
@remote grove So, what motherboard is it?
remote grove
It IS a lot of USB ports! LOL. I would buy a hub if I was just looking to charge things, but I am getting annoyed at having to shuffle around cables with my external drives and I have some projects I want to do with old hdda in external housings
TBH the biggest thing is that the charger cable for my wireless headset is awkward when it goes around back and it gets a tiny bit of feedback when I plug it into the charger hub.
This is more of a "never go hungry again" sort of compensation.
Re: the Motherboard itself... I always mess up the name...
It's an MSI and it is more than a few years old
z87-g45
hollow thorn
So, the motherboard only has a single USB 3.0 header for one of those expansion cards, the rest of the USB headers are USB 2.0
remote grove
that was my concern.
I want something in the back that just uses the PCI so the USB 3.0 header is available for the front.
hollow thorn
Well, the pcie card needs a usb connector too.
remote grove
Bummer. Is it possible there's a model that doesn't?
I know I could use a different header if I bumped down to USB 2, but I'd love to keep the 3.0 compatiblity for future devices.
Like, I could use this one and just buy a header cable https://www.newegg.com/p/0ZK-08UH-07JR6
Or just ignore the PCI slot entirely and go with one of these
remote grove
Would this be a good compromise? Give a couple ports in the back and keep the ones up front in the loop?https://www.newegg.com/startech-com-model-pexusb3s2ei-pci-to-1394-usb-card/p/N82E16815158411
clear coral
Guys, I'm currently trying to find a 32gb ram kit that is the best for a 5900x build. Any suggestions? My budget is 200$
limber dragon
4x8 and 2x16 is identical to the cpu
clear coral
Thanks guys.
eager shore
I don't need faster timings, do I?
3600cl16 is def recommended for a 5900x
and if it fits in the budget, why not
clear coral
alright thanks again!
red nova
Hello, does anyone know if Newegg update motherboard bios prior to shipping them?
grizzled bloom
Nope, that would be up to the manufacturer to do. If you're going for Ryzen 5000 look for a board with flashback.
void jolt
Nobody really needs them tho
People that get higher end CPUs aren’t going to be using an integrated GPU anyways
grizzled bloom
There's a new gen of APU coming this year with performance similar to the 5800X and improved graphics processing
The 5700G, 5600G, and 5300G
pale mist
Thats great
People forget the huge need for workstations. I do salvage on the side so I get potato GPUs I can throw into workstations but it would be so nice of threadrippers came with integrated
Intel still does some things i like
mild jackal
Lol it's not like x299 has igpu
grizzled bloom
What if the motherboard had the graphics processor? Then it wouldn't be any harder to cool the CPU
pale mist
@grizzled bloom they used to
mild jackal
Modern server boards and older workstation boards did that - tiny gpu on board
grizzled bloom
I'm glad I'm not the only one that remembers that.
It'd be pretty easy to do honestly. Throw a small fan on the GPU with a heatsink and call it good.
pale mist
Should be easy enough
grizzled bloom
Then, with the new chipset you'll have to design around that concept, you make sure to add a single extra PCIe lane for the graphics so it leaves every slot able to do full speed
grizzled bloom
Memories? I still look at that logo almost every day. It's on the GPU in my cabinet where I keep my spare parts.
pale mist
Well, i see the logo a lot to
grizzled bloom
Old OEM card too
pale mist
But seeing it on paper hits different
grizzled bloom
Fair enough
pale mist
the amount of AGP cards I have
To much
They are absolutely never useful
“Keep cool, keep all the power, ATI radeon”
naive pendant
benchmarks for 11400f from gn let's gooo
oblique crown
3600cl16 is def recommended for a 5900x
3733MHz CL19 is too much?
grizzled bloom
3800 would be good for a 5900X, but 3733C19 sounds like a bad bin (10.18ns is average at best)
Assuming the Infinity Fabric is ok going up to 1900 at least
You could probably overclock the 3733 to 3800 and drop the cas latency to 18 (so GDM doesn't turn that 19 into a 20)
oblique crown
I was thinking about HyperX Fury Black 32GB DDR4 3733MHz
But I can get 3600 if it's not good. I have no idea what fabrics and bins are :))
So I suppose it's good if it's 3600 3800 4000, but not 777 555 etc
grizzled bloom
The Ryzen Infinity Fabric (IF) is how the CPU cores communicate with each other. The faster they're able to talk, the more performance you can get. There is a limit to how fast they'll go before errors start appearing. Most Zen 3 (5000 series) CPUs can do 1900, which is tied to a RAM speed of 3800.
Binning refers to the quality of the chips on a given piece of hardware, in this case the RAM. A common, average chip can do 10ns cas latency. That 3733 CL19 is 10.18, and worse yet Ryzen has a Gear Down Mode because there's problems getting it to play nice with odd numbered cas latency. To solve this, it rounds odd numbered cas latency up to the nearest even number, in this case 20 which makes your latency effectively 10.7ns which is less than ideal.
TL;DR the ideal price/performance for Ryzen 5000 is 3800 CL 18
grizzled bloom
Well ok I guess the other main timings play a big part too, but yes 3600c16 is still great (even lower latency)
ionic hamlet
At this point, I'm wondering if the new Ryzen APUs will come out before I get a GPU
oblique crown
So should I get 3600 CL16 or 3777 and boost it to 3800? I plan to get 5800x or 5950x, not sure I need the second now.
vernal cosmos
So should I get 3600 CL16 or 3777 and boost it to 3800? I plan to get 5800x or 5...
cas latency of 3777 and 3800?
oblique crown
cas latency of 3777 and 3800?
I have no idea what you mean 😄
vernal cosmos
I have no idea what you mean 😄
CL is cas latency
vernal cosmos
3600 CL16 way better than 3800CL19
oblique crown
Excellent, problem solved. Thank you
vernal cosmos
NP 🙂
oblique crown
I was thinking about 3777 cause it looked bigger 😄
vernal cosmos
I was thinking about 3777 cause it looked bigger 😄
The added latency isnt worth the extra bandwidth
oblique crown
The added latency isnt worth the extra bandwidth
I have no idea what this means 😛 If you mean financially or whatever else.
vernal cosmos
I have no idea what this means 😛 If you mean financially or whatever else.
The MHZ number is basically like the bandwidth, while the CL number is latency
So more MHZ at same CL good. Large increase in mhz and small increase in CL also good. Large increase in cl and small increase in mhz very bad. Makes system slower if that happens.
oblique crown
Thank you, dully noted.
Then I guess getting a default 3600 CL16 and boosting it to 3800 so it's 3800 CL16 works fine
vernal cosmos
yeah sounds good
elfin warren
Wow, 11400 is a decent CPU, unlike the 11900K. Even worth it over the 10400.
vast meadow
Actually yeah I have a similar question
Whats youre question?
eager shore
the pcie lanes and a generally better io
high tapir
On which
eager shore
x570 has all gen 4 pcie lanes and a better io most of the time
vast meadow
Yeah unless you tryna extreme oc b550 is fine for most ppl
elfin warren
Gen 4 over rated
vast meadow
^
elfin warren
GPU's don't need it and the drives for it are meh, you don't notice it unless doing large file transfers all the time
spare geyser
Do I guys know the best crosshair mobo
high tapir
Uh
eager shore
Do I guys know the best crosshair mobo
crosshair VIII hero i think
for amd? or are you looking for intel motherboards
fair zealot
I have a HP Zenbook G3 Studio with 8GB of RAM installed in 1 of 2 slots. The most I can install is 32GB of RAM I believe. I’m not sure I need that much. Can anyone direct me to which RAM I can purchase to upgrade? I’m looking for another 8GB or possibly 16GB? I need DDR4 PC4-17000 2133MHz Non-ECC / ECC SODIMM ECC Unbuffered 260pin 1.2V
elfin warren
swift shale
How much of a difference is there between an intel i9-9900k and an AMD cpu
elfin warren
9900K shouldn't be purchased now
No upgrade path on those boards
Should be 10th gen at least
vast meadow
Depends on the amd cpu too
vast meadow
No upgrade path on those boards
Not like 11th gen i7/i9 is upgrade from 10th anyway XD
vast meadow
Yeah i saw but not like you'd "upgrade" from 8c to 6 lol
elfin warren
For Intel right now, sweet spot is either 11600K or 11400 IMO
11600K and OC to 11900K lol
vast meadow
Yes
naive pendant
would rather buy 11500
just for the integrated
good to have if you're having trouble finding gpu
vast meadow
Yeah, might have to see how good 5000 apus are tho
naive pendant
Yeah, might have to see how good 5000 apus are tho
there is some engi samples handed out but no real known perf about the igpus
vast meadow
Yeah hopefully it's navi based as well
naive pendant
i doubt tho
vast meadow
Would absolutely kick intels ass tho
slate horizon
Hello, I was looking for some help for buying a 2nd 8gb ddr4 memory stick for https://www.newegg.com/skytech-st-arch-3600-1660-500gssd-archangel/p/1VK-005B-000J5?Item=1VK-005B-000J5
pastel hornet
Just got these babes in
vast meadow
Shiny
vast meadow
Hello, I was looking for some help for buying a 2nd 8gb ddr4 memory stick for ht...
Any 8gb stick that's 3000mhz or 3200 and cl16 should be fine
ionic hamlet
Man, the Royals are so pretty. But out of my budget
void jolt
Just got these babes in
CL19
32gb, 3600, CL19
But it’s TridentZ Royal which boosts FPS 500% anyways so
vast meadow
Omg no i didn't see cl19 🤮
vast meadow
Man, the Royals are so pretty. But out of my budget
Ngl i hate the rock look
swift shale
Someone needs to convince me to get either AMD or Intel cause I’m torn
elfin warren
At your $1500 budget
Either could work LOL
11600K is a great overclocker
So if you want to overclock, 11600K, if not, 5600x
elfin warren
making the CPU run faster than published speeds
void jolt
Not something that’s all that important if you just want something to game with
I won’t try and drive you away from it tho
swift shale
Now what if I’m gaming/streaming/recording would I need something like that
elfin warren
NOt necessarily
void jolt
Might want an extra core or two
swift shale
So basically either one then. Amd or Intel there wouldn’t be an insane difference
elfin warren
Not really.
swift shale
Oh
elfin warren
Whicever is cheaper or fits the budget better
swift shale
Okay cool
pastel hornet
Omg no i didn't see cl19 🤮
$100 more isnt worth an avg of 15-20 FPS difference
Imho
hollow thorn
How much did it cost....
vast meadow
$100 more isnt worth an avg of 15-20 FPS difference
100 more, where were you looking lol
And you'd probs be better with 3200 cl 16 imo for better first word latency
hollow thorn
Hey, at least the timings aren't that loose
vast meadow
And you'd probs be better with 3200 cl 16 imo for better first word latency
And save more money
hollow thorn
19-20-20-40 ain't bad
vast meadow
Could be worse but still cl19 :/
pastel hornet
I promise I won’t have any complaints lol and I got this ram for a steal
$150 brand new
pastel hornet
2x16
hollow thorn
Eh, decent
hollow thorn
Tbh ram prices are wack rn
vast meadow
yeah
hollow thorn
I got the neo kit for ~150$ myself a few months back
vast meadow
but imagine giving up cas latency for rocks
hollow thorn
Meh
tCRD ain't too bad
It's actually better than the usual cl18 xmp
18-22-22-42 against 19-20-20-40
vast meadow
ohh nice
vast meadow
i see the timings are tighter
pastel hornet
I know people overclock this ram and get great numbers and tbh anything over 200 frames for me is great since I’ve been on 60 FPS forever
vast meadow
fair well i mean if you got it for 150 thats not so bad
hollow thorn
Yea it's decent, good nuff
pastel hornet
With my Ryzen 9 5900x it’s still pulling great numbers on my buddies rig
vast meadow
nice
pastel hornet
Lol he said on rainbow 6 he gets 450 fps with the same set up except I’ll have a 3080
He’s running a 2080ti
hollow thorn
Siege gets cpu bound at 1080p pretty easily
pastel hornet
Bottom line is I should be pretty satisfied coming from PS5 still lol
hollow thorn
Ye
vast meadow
Siege gets cpu bound at 1080p pretty easily
yeah most esports titles will unfortunately :/
hollow thorn
Something like, I dunno, outer worlds would really show a difference between GPUs, mostly at 1440p though
elfin warren
Only Epyc CPU's
Which gonna cost a lot of bucks
No dual socket AM4 boards if that's what you're looking for
Ahhhh
yeah, those all went away in recent years.
void jolt
Right, forgot that TR and Epyc aren’t on AM4
Still
Stupid amount of cores and PCIe lanes
elfin warren
hollow thorn
It's just they have no incentive to make dual socket consumer boards
they'd want you to buy a server/workstation class CPU at that point
hollow thorn
For example, for AMD
Consumer - 5950x-16 Core
Workstation - 3990x-64 Core
Server - 7713 - 64 Core
BUT, 7713 can be dual socket
hoary cedar
how can I check whether my mobo supports resizeable BAR?
I have a ASRock B560 PRO4, paired with a 3060Ti and an i5-10400F
naive pendant
I have a ASRock B560 PRO4, paired with a 3060Ti and an i5-10400F
it will be in BIOS
look for 4G decoding
hoary cedar
yup found it!
I've enabled that, now looking at this
Pretty sure this mobo supports PCIe 4.0
But all these only have up to Gen 3
lean warren
Hey guys, I flashed my dark hero mobo with the new 3401 and now it won’t post. 5950x build
Any solution?
limber dragon
flash back
lean warren
I need a usb stick with an old bios for that right?
limber dragon
yup
elfin warren
Dark Hero 8?
lean warren
Yea
Idk what went wrong, the only thing I realized I didn’t do was rename the file
but I updated using the ez updater in ai utility. Downloaded the file from asus, uploaded it into the updater and it was updating fine
elfin warren
You did a Windows based BIOS update???
lean warren
Yea
lean warren
I did it to the 3202 and that went fine lol
pain in the ass
so I haven’t done this before, and the manual doesn’t tell me much
I stick the usb in the bios slot - then hold the button for several seconds while the computer is off?
or on?
elfin warren
Lemme read book
lean warren
I guess it has to be on to update right?
elfin warren
No
lean warren
hmm ok
elfin warren
Let me check the manual
lean warren
thank you
elfin warren
X570 right?
elfin warren
Found it
SO you'll need to DL and unzip the BIOS on a thumbdrive
Use the renaming tool
lean warren
Yup
elfin warren
Then move the BIOS file outside the folder
Insert into flashback port, then push and hold button for 3 seconds and wait
Don't turn the PC on, just use the button
elfin warren
When the light stops flashing, it's done
It could take a while, several minutes
So be patient with it
lean warren
appreciate the swift response
elfin warren
YW
scenic spoke
lemme hack the server and add one quickly 
livid sparrow
Woot, my motherboard saga has finally come to an end. I've rebuilt my pc, inserted my new 5600x and managed to get it to post and run a game. All without a bios update or hardware issues. Besides the south rgb header, that is apparently borked
tall belfry
Lmao that's a perfect cpu usage
paper prism
Is the i7-10700k cpu compatible with the Msi z490-a pro motherboard
hollow thorn
Yes
paper prism
Wanna upgrade my computer but not spend a lot of money so I’m thinking i7-10700k, msi z490-a pro mb, ripjaw V 16gb, antec dark phantom case (cuz I need a dvd slot lol) reuse my Corsair h60 and 600 watt power supply
hollow thorn
fair
elfin warren
11600K maybe and oc it?
hollow thorn
moar cores maybe
paper prism
It’s 8 cores. I don’t think I need 10
spark spade
Anyone know big the bios update is for the Rog B550-a mobo? Not sure what size USB drive I should buy
spark spade
Ok I have those lol ty
A YouTube i watched for it mentioned for like 2 seconds using a 1tb USB and that seemed rather large to me.
spark spade
Yeah, and then I tried to look it up but can't find anything
vast meadow
Anyone know big the bios update is for the Rog B550-a mobo? Not sure what size U...
They are usually 50mb or less i believe
spark spade
Cool, good to know
Now next noob question haha
Are all thermal compounds created equally?
Should I invest in a different thermal compound versus whats in tue cpu box. It's a 5800
hollow thorn
@spark spade I mean, they're actually ~20 megabytes, nowhere near 1tb lel
hollow thorn
And wdym different thermal compound? There's no stock cooler with the 5800x
spark spade
I'm dumb. I went blank minded.
I have a phanteks white aio that comes with it
Is it good enough? Or should I buy something else?
spark spade
Nice, thanks again
hybrid zenith
Which motherboard should I use for ryzen 3400?
hybrid zenith
Ok thanks
hoary cedar
Update on my PC that died after I ran the Founders Edition resizable BAR firmware update (tldr, it succeeded but asked for a restart, and I restarted into a black screen).
I tried clearing CMOS, having read that other people had the same problem and that it was a BIOS settings issue.
I have never done this before, but I read that removing the mobo battery for about 5 min does that. So I did. Now there's no response to me hitting the power button. Help.
If I move the POWER SW cable to the CLRCMOS pins, my keyboard gets power and stops getting power when I press the power button.
PC specs are:
- ASRock B560 PRO4 (not on latest BIOS, probably need to update but can't thanks to not being able to boot at all)
- i5-10400F (no integrated graphics)
- 3060Ti FE (latest drivers on Windows, resizable BAR firmware just installed)
WOAHT it just came back to life
I kept melancholically pressing the power button and after 30 min it just booted. I went into BIOS and all the settings are gone.
hoary cedar
Enabling "Clever Access Memory" in the BIOS gets me back to this bricked state...
I found the CSM option under the Boot tab, it is disabled so that shouldn't be causing issues.
What do I need to change to enable BAR properly?
Enabling 4g decoding makes a "Clever Access Memory" toggle appear, but it I enable that I get the black screen and have to clear cmos
Note that I am on the latest BIOS and have installed the resizable BAR fw from nvidia "successfully"
hoary cedar
Additionally, I only seem to be able to select PCIe Gen 3, when my mobo claims to support Gen 4
wheat halo
Additionally, I only seem to be able to select PCIe Gen 3, when my mobo claims t...
Intel gen 10 doesnt support pcie 4
hoary cedar
ahh rip
hoary cedar
Intel gen 10 doesnt support pcie 4
What about resizable BAR?
wheat halo
I dont realy know about it so cant help with that sorry
hoary cedar
Okay. Thanks for the tip on gen 4 tho. Saved me a lot of googling :)
tranquil saddle
Why is the threadripper so expensive?
fallen lynx
Lots of cores
hoary cedar
Still no luck figuring out how to enable resizable BAR
elfin warren
Need pcie 4 for it to work.
naive pendant
Why is the threadripper so expensive?
lots of cores+pcie lanes
hoary cedar
Need pcie 4 for it to work.
it says it's compatible with my i5-10400F here tho: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-30-series-resizable-bar-support/
And it lists ASRock as supported.
elfin warren
Intel 10th Gen Z490 H470 B460 H410
hoary cedar
Not B560?
hoary cedar
PC specs are:
- ASRock B560 PRO4 (latest BIOS, just updated)
- i5-10400F (no integrated graphics)
- 3060Ti FE (latest drivers on Windows, resizable BAR firmware just installed)
hoary cedar
When I enable "Clever Access Memory" in BIOS, it bricks itself.
Meaning that VGA and BOOT lights stay on, and there's nothing on the monitors.
elfin warren
Mmhmmm
hoary cedar
If I unplug the GPU power, Windows boots (I can hear to bootup sound) but still nothing on monitors. Only way I've found to fix it is take out the CMOS battery and have the PC act completely dead for about 30 min, until it finally randomly decides to power on again, with the BIOS cleared.
elfin warren
I don't see a BIOS listed that has Clever Access Memory officially for that board
It's specifically listed for the Z490's tho
hoary cedar
I see it in the chipset options if I enable 4G decoding
elfin warren
I know but it's not officially listed in the BIOS updates like it is for the other boards
hoary cedar
do you think I should ask ASRock directly?
grizzled bloom
It might be a beta feature they forgot to mention. Probably worth contacting them yeah.
elfin warren
What BIOS version are you on, 1.6?
elfin warren
do you think I should ask ASRock directly?
Are you on BIOS 1.6 or 1.7?
There's a hidden 1.7 update not listed on the motherboard page but I need to know Pro4 or Pro4/ac
hoary cedar
how do I check?
grizzled bloom
There might be an alpha or beta update they can send you if you contact them, I know MSI does that.
Ah, you found one lol
elfin warren
Main BIOS page will have the version number
hoary cedar
ok, reboot time
elfin warren
Ye
elfin warren
That'll do
hoary cedar
no air conditioning
elfin warren
This is the 1.7 BIOS. https://www.asrockchina.com.cn/MB/Intel/B560M Pro4/index.asp#BIOS
This is where it's listed https://www.asrockchina.com.cn/support/index.asp?cat=BIOS
Not listed on the motherboard support page for some reason
hoary cedar
woahht
hoary cedar
I am waiting
elfin warren
M_ATX
hoary cedar
ah
elfin warren
Looks like you'll have to wait a bit, almost missed that
hoary cedar
oof
elfin warren
B560 Pro4 still 1.6
elfin warren
IDK, hopefully
grizzled bloom
Contact them and ask about the BAR support and if they'll send a beta BIOS
hoary cedar
Dunno if I want to run a beta bios tho
I've asked in their discord for now. It seems kinda dead 😅
I'll give it a day and then send a support ticket
grizzled bloom
It's usually only small things or new features that get changed in beta versions
grizzled bloom
Fun stuff. Save a profile to a USB 😉
hoary cedar
yup, doing that
hoary cedar
found this linked in the ASRock discord: https://botflakes.github.io/ASRockWiki/beta_bios/beta_bios_consumer/beta_bios_intel
They have a L1.61 for the B560 non-M
naive pendant
figured something was bricked :p
hoary cedar
figured something was bricked :p
wdym?
naive pendant
when you first had problem i suspected something was bricked
hoary cedar
PC works fine after a CMOS clear
It's just enabling re BAR that messes it up
Alright. Updated BIOS successfully. Gonna try enabling just Above 4G decoding.
slow rover
do i need to update the BIOS on my asus prime z490 mobo to get resizable bar support?
hoary cedar
Okay. No black screen yet.
grizzled bloom
do i need to update the BIOS on my asus prime z490 mobo to get resizable bar sup...
Most likely yes
elfin warren
do i need to update the BIOS on my asus prime z490 mobo to get resizable bar sup...
Yes, and the video card and the right driver
hoary cedar
do i need to update the BIOS on my asus prime z490 mobo to get resizable bar sup...
Probably ye. Always good to stay on latest
slow rover
yep, I just updated the gpu driver
elfin warren
GPU BIOS as well
slow rover
I have a 3070 tho
hoary cedar
4G is on, but control panel still says re-BAR is off.
hoary cedar
Time to try enabling Clever Access Memory 😬
elfin warren
how do i do that?
Go to your card manu's website and follow their instructions for it. It's different for all the cards through the manu's software
elfin warren
Why is your link speed Gen 3??
hoary cedar
I can't set it any higher for some reason
Nothing ever works right when it's me doing it.
hoary cedar
This motherboard claims to support PCIe 4, but it doesn't have an option for it.
Time to clear CMOS. Hopefully it takes less than 30 min to clear, like it did last time.
elfin warren
Well, regardless of what nVidia says, that CPU is only Gen 3 not Gen 4. I'm 99% positive you need Gen 4 for resizable BAR.
elfin warren
I'm reading some more
hoary cedar
cleared CMOS, PC is now completely unresponsive to the power button
Last two times, had to wait around 30 min for it to randomly decide to turn on when I press power.
elfin warren
Looks like 10th gen can support it
But B560 is motherboard manu dependent.
You're SURE you updated the cards VBIOS to the BAR one? My EVGA had 2 updates
elfin warren
Try it again, see if there's another one.
hoary cedar
And I see in NVIDIA Control Panel that Resizable BAR is off
Okay. I need my PC to decide to turn on tho.
It's not responding to the power button at all after clearing CMOS.
elfin warren
unpower it by unplugging it
slow rover
this is the right mobo bios right
elfin warren
From the wall
elfin warren
this is the right mobo bios right
Ya
hoary cedar
unpower it by unplugging it
done
Do I leave it unplugged and discover wireless power?
Or is now a good time to plug it in again?
hoary cedar
Still nothing 🤔
Last two times I had to clear CMOS, took me 30-45 min of tinkering to get it to randomly decide to power on again.
hoary cedar
To clear the CMOS, I bridged the two CMOS pins
elfin warren
With what?
hoary cedar
Last two times I had taken out the battery so I hoped this way would be better
The POWER_SW cable
elfin warren
Well, if you take the battery out you need to unplug the power supply
hoary cedar
Yeah I did
elfin warren
Ohhhhh
If you use a switch like that, use the RESET switch
and hold it for 5-10 seconeds
elfin warren
Off preferably
hoary cedar
still nothing
Tried both with PSU on and off
Was holding reset button on the case
I'm never buying ASRock again
taking out battery now
elfin warren
Unplug PSU, hold power switch for 10 seconds or so to bleed off caps. Reset switch on CMOS pins, hold for 5-10 seconds then try that
elfin warren
Yeah
hoary cedar
eyy we're back!
DRAM is red and it's boot looping, sweet
I'm gonna switch to console gaming.
hoary cedar
oh wow
Didn't know it had to do that.
Alright I'll keep waiting lol
Thanks for all the help btw :)
Sorry if I'm coming off as frustrated (because I am) but I really appreciate your time
boot and vga are back on
I have a feeling the BIOS settings survived.
elfin warren
oops
hoary cedar
Ok we're back in L1.61 BIOS
naturally it's not reading my BIOS profile backup on my USB... I'll have to redo the fan curves for the third time these past 24h.
elfin warren
Might be time for a break lol. And a VBIOS check
grizzled bloom
If you made the profile on the old BIOS version it's not a good idea trying to load it on the new one
hoary cedar
Might be time for a break lol. And a VBIOS check
will try installing the firmware a second time
elfin warren
See if it does it again
slow rover
ok, updated mobo and vbios, how do i check the re-bar is working
elfin warren
Need to turn it on the BIOS as well
slow rover
done
elfin warren
Turn off CSM, Turn on 4G decoding and Resize bar
slow rover
yep
elfin warren
Open nVidia control panel, click System info bottom left
Scroll down the window and see if Resize Bar is Enabled
elfin warren
YW
grizzled bloom
Awesome!
hoary cedar
grizzled bloom
Still awesome when it works finally
elfin warren
https://your-face.is-ne.at/0gHxpv.png
Hmmmm
Might be a B560 thing then
Or an Asrock thing
If I was a gambling man, I'd say Asrock BIOS not ready yet
hoary cedar
hm
I'll never buy ASRock again lol
But I guess I'm stuck with this mobo for a few years
elfin warren
They aren't my favorite either
hoary cedar
I had never been so scared of a CMOS clear before.
elfin warren
I would 100% wait for a BIOS update that officially says Clever Memory Access from them
because none of the listed ones say that
grizzled bloom
Asrock BIOS 👎
MSI and Asus BIOS 👍
hoary cedar
^
gentle acorn
guess I’ll go back to getting a Asus one then instead of Asrock lol
grizzled bloom
High end Asrock stuff is ok but their BIOS is historically funky. I like MSI personally as an all around decent brand.
limber dragon
Avoid msi for intel if you want to run high memory speeds
Except msi z390, that's their only good intel line
naive pendant
Tired of waiting. Think I’m just gonna get a 5800x paired with a 3060/3080 till things go back to normal. Anyone running a 5800x?
limber dragon
I have one, what about it?
limber dragon
(I'm the master of not caring about price:performance for the most part)
naive pendant
Well too bad?? I dunno. I just want to know how it’s performance is versus last gen 3900/3950.
void jolt
It’ll beat both, usually
limber dragon
purchase history of 3900xt, 6900xt, 5800x
grizzled bloom
Performance is great, can confirm
void jolt
Especially in single threaded perf
grizzled bloom
I'm loving mine
naive pendant
And current 5900/5950 and same
elfin warren
Generally speaking, 15-20% over 3000 series
void jolt
Thinking of getting a 5900x to replace my 3800x
Already have updated BIOS, wondering if it’s worth it
naive pendant
Ok. Ok sounds pretty solid like I said I’ll have the 5800 till5900/5950 stocks stabilize
limber dragon
Already have updated BIOS, wondering if it’s worth it
depends on gpu, might be worthwhile
void jolt
3070
limber dragon
then probably worth it, if you care about every last frame
void jolt
Not too much of a ‘bottleneck’ but wondering if I can squeeze a bit of perf out of my system with an extra couple Zen3 cores
I don’t really need more FPS but I’m also not going to be getting AM5 till a while after the socket releases, for the sake of DDR5 prices
pale mist
is there any good miners for the CPU?
elfin warren
No
quaint shore
Could anyone recommend an Intel CPU that would work with this MB? Price not an issue just want performance!! GIGABYTE H470 HD3 LGA 1200 Intel H470 ATX Motherboard with Dual M.2, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.2 Gen 2
void jolt
Wait, when did you buy the H470?
void jolt
Also any LGA 1200 CPU fits
vast meadow
purchase history of 3900xt, 6900xt, 5800x
thats gonna be hella confusing when amd releases a 6900xt processor XD
limber dragon
probably
elfin warren
H470 is good for prebuilts and that's about it
limber dragon
I forgot I had a 5700xt 50th edition 
quaint shore
havent bought it yet just looking to rebuild PC
void jolt
6000 series probs going to be laptop CPUs
elfin warren
havent bought it yet just looking to rebuild PC
Get this when it comes back in stock https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157977
quaint shore
Thank you Sara....I will take your advice and look some more for what I need.
void jolt
Vintage literally told you what to get
Not my advice
His advice
That I am parroting
quaint shore
And I thank you guys very much!!
Seems hard to locate a MB with the I/O ports i want with the slots for expansion. But thats the fun of it...
void jolt
What do you need?
And what do you mean by ‘expansion’?
Any full size ATX board should have enough PCIe lanes and slots for whatever you need
quaint shore
Found this just now: ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS LGA 1200 Intel B560 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel
void jolt
naive pendant
If I buy a 5800 I may not actually upgrade til am5 socket anyone know when amd sockets may change?
eager shore
i've heard that the 5000 series was most likely the end of am4
void jolt
If I buy a 5800 I may not actually upgrade til am5 socket anyone know when amd ...
Next generation
But DDR5 is going to be stupid expensive apparently
So probs hold off a year or two until AM5’s second generation CPUs
naive pendant
i've heard that the 5000 series was most likely the end of am4
5000 is the EOL CPUs for the AM4
grizzled bloom
Give it time for the bugs to be worked out of the new platform and memory prices to drop again. DDR4 launch was weird, even older DDR3 and DDR2 memory shot up.
void jolt
In other words: hoard DDR4 now?
grizzled bloom
I guess? If you secretly want to be a scalper