#cpus-mobo-and-memory

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main pulsar
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can you link that vid?

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its the exact opposite of that statement, so i worry that was taken out of context

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B550, assuming you dont need x570, is the best value

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the b550 chipset is cheaper

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oh, you cant send links here yet

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just dm it for now

wise oyster
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Sent.

main pulsar
wise oyster
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Thanks

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I had the author wrong. lol

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He says a lot of the same thing as @main pulsar does about the PCIe though.

wild moat
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yea, honestly the price comparison is quite huge for b550 and x570. and I bought an x570 at a higher price and still haven't used the board yet, it became such a waste

clever pike
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Most b550's just look better imo lol.

wild moat
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they do

silent sandal
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So if pcie 4 and usb 3 don’t help with gaming, what are they gonna be useful for?

main pulsar
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between a 250 dollar b550 vs a 250 dollar x570, the x570 costs more to purchase, meaning the rest of the board was built at a lower cost

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x570 for people who need gen 4 storage, and lots of it

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basically

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the reason there are high end b550 boards is because the chipset contributes nothing for gamers

silent sandal
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And in what cases would gen 4 storage be helpful?

main pulsar
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mobo manufacturers realized this, and made top of the line b550 boards that are slightly cheaper than their x570 counterparts

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working with gigantic datasets, 4k+ video editing, basically any work that relies on storing and retreiving mass amounts of data constantly

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gaming loads data to memory, and thats it

silent sandal
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Okay so I actually do have use for gen 4 memory

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So the x570 was nice

main pulsar
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then it occasionally needs to pull data from storage, but its not enough to warrant pcie 4

naive pendant
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i need help choosing a compatible cpu for my hunk of junk computer i got for free

wild moat
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I got a question that I couldn't find an actual answer for online and it's off topic. How many components of your computer can you swap out before windows needing you to activate it again? I've had that happen in an old pc before but couldn't figure out the number. I'm planning to change out a cpu and gpu for a computer soon

main pulsar
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@wise oyster thoughts on the physical size of the system?

wild moat
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what is the "hun of junk" computer's spec?

main pulsar
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like, huge, or reasonably sized, or do you not care

wise oyster
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@wild moat It varies, depending on which components. If you mean CPU or motherboard, those kinds matter more than GPU, I would think.

wild moat
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I am just planning to upgrade the cpu and gpu and that is it^

wise oyster
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@main pulsar I already have a NZXT case. It's very roomy. Can't remember the model #

pastel monolith
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if your not planning on playing games you'd be right @wise oyster

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GPU is the number one most important thing in a gaming pc

main pulsar
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can you go find the model number?

wise oyster
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@pastel monolith I do gaming. Which were you talking about?

pastel monolith
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xryanx555Today at 5:34 PM
@wild moat It varies, depending on which components. If you mean CPU or motherboard, those kinds matter more than GPU, I would think.

wild moat
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sure, thx

main pulsar
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@wise oyster how would you feel about getting a new case? most NZXT cases are not that good

wise oyster
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@main pulsar H700i

main pulsar
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yeah airflow in that case kinda mediocre

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do you have your current system in that case rn?

solar stratus
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Isn't the s340 still the best nzxt case for airflow

prisma nymph
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nzxt and airflow never go in the same sentence anyways

pastel monolith
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"best nzxt case for airflow" isnt shooting very high

solar stratus
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Yeah

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But they're cheap

prisma nymph
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not necessarily

hollow thorn
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NZXT is not the best for anything quantifiable imo

wise oyster
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@main pulsar yes, that's what I have my threadripper in. Using an AIO cooler on the CPU.

pastel monolith
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mx330 now thats a cheap case

silent sandal
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I mean there’s plenty of cheap cases with good airflow

hollow thorn
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mx330-g air

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now that's a nice cheap airflow case

solar stratus
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I'm going with an O11 dynamic for my summer 2021 build so I won't be going nzxt anyways

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Or a 4000D airflow

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Idk

main pulsar
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what AIO? and how long have you been using it?

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you can probs reuse it

solar stratus
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I'm gonna be buying a lot of corsair stuff for it because it's just the best atp

hollow thorn
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uh no

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Arctic freezer ii best aio

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not corsair

prisma nymph
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i was waitiing for that lyl

hollow thorn
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Corsair doesn't have the best anything >:P

wise oyster
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@main pulsar Enermax ELC-LTTRTO240-TBP LIQTECH 240 TR4 II Addressable RGB AIO CPU Liquid Cooler Black (searchable on Amazon)

hollow thorn
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No

prisma nymph
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corasir for all component s or just cooling, cause neither are really all that good

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nice cases

solar stratus
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I've only heard of arctic freezer never seen anything About it

hollow thorn
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Enermax gunk on their TR coolers

silent sandal
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I like the Corsair rm 850 psu

hollow thorn
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not sure if that applies to their consumer coolers

wise oyster
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Honestly I'm not happy with the Enermax.

main pulsar
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yeah, isnt that the bad aio?

hollow thorn
wise oyster
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I've had to replace 2 fans on it (noisy).

hollow thorn
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uhh

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might be worth looking into that

solar stratus
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I was gonna get their power supply and a 360mm rad because I'm thinking of getting a ryzen 9 5900x or a ryzen 7 5800x

hollow thorn
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if you actually have the liqtech

main pulsar
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new AIO time

solar stratus
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But if arctic freezer is the best then I should probably get one

silent sandal
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What’s that one really good coolermaster case?

hollow thorn
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Td500 mesh

prisma nymph
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i just dont like the way their tubes look

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artic freezer's

solar stratus
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I'm an RGV kinda guy tho so I was leaning towards corsair

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RGB*

hollow thorn
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that VRM fan is so gimmicky but it's so nice if you think about it

wise oyster
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I'm strongly considering going with a Noctua NH-U12A air cooler.

hollow thorn
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U12a is really good still

opal sage
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what cpu should i get for a 1300 build

hollow thorn
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but at 100$ you can both get a U12a or Freezer ii 240mm

solar stratus
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If I go air I'm gonna go noctua

prisma nymph
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corsair isnt even the best for rgb

hollow thorn
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Yea

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if you HAVE to get rgb

prisma nymph
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ram isnt great either

hollow thorn
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EK-AIO

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all the way

solar stratus
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Isn't EK super expensive tho

main pulsar
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thoughts on rgb? @wise oyster

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yeah or nah

hollow thorn
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@solar stratus same price as corsair lmfao

silent sandal
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I like the drp4, but I think everyone says the noctua is better lol

hollow thorn
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soooo

solar stratus
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Hm

hollow thorn
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heh

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be quiet products are nice

solar stratus
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This does put a smile on my face

hollow thorn
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but do you get free mounting brackets >:D

wise oyster
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@main pulsar I like some, but not a Las Vegas show. On a CPU cooler, not important.

solar stratus
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Maybe I'll just go balls to the walls and go custom tubing

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And take like a week to build it

opal sage
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everything i got has rgb so i can boost my fps😉

solar stratus
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Cuz I'm lazy and can't finish anything on time

main pulsar
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do you need wifi @wise oyster

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also what color is your case?

wise oyster
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@main pulsar Don't necessarily need WiFi, case is black.

naive pendant
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can i dm somebody to ask about the build i have picked out?

main pulsar
hollow thorn
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DMs are unnecessary

craggy comet
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So someone told me earlier today that the B550 was the best choice for the 5600x, can anyone give me a good motherboard recommendation for that chipset?

hollow thorn
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B550 Phantom Gaming 4 at 100$.

silent sandal
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Oh yeah that reminds me. I can’t use Ethernet cable anymore, so uh what’s the best thing to get

craggy comet
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Is there a better one for more price? I'm able to spend another hundred on a mobo

hollow thorn
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Just need a wireless adapter?
@silent sandal

pastel monolith
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a longer ethernet cable.... LOL

silent sandal
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My cable is definitely long enough lol

hollow thorn
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have fun :)

silent sandal
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Just the other people are against me running it across the house

solar stratus
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I want to overclock my ryzen 5 2600x a little bit and need a decent but cheap cooler so I can control temps better than the wraith stealth cooler. Any suggestions?

hollow thorn
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try not to spend more than 30$ for a 802.11ac adapter, and over 50$ for a 802.11ax adapter

pastel monolith
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@silent sandal do it right run it through the wall

hollow thorn
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DRILL A HOLE

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THROUGH THEIR ROOMS

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DRILL HOLES THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE WAY >:D

silent sandal
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They don’t want it cause it’ll look bad, but like who tf is gonna visit us

wise oyster
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@main pulsar I'm leaning toward the Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero

main pulsar
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yikes

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thats a bit much

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im looking rn, so just give me a min

silent sandal
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If your girlfriend cares that much about an Ethernet cable running through the house, I probably won’t like her

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Directed at my roommates

solar stratus
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Thx @fickle flax

pastel monolith
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but not much different than the wraith

wise oyster
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Noctua NH-U12A is a good air cooler, @fickle flax

solar stratus
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My wraith is 2 years old and dusty af so I might need to replace it simply because I have good reason to believe some of the heatsink find are damaged

craggy comet
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I think I might get the gigabyte b550 aurous pro mobo

solar stratus
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Fins*

main pulsar
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fantastic looking board, will last a loooong time

pastel monolith
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the fins cant really be damaged to bad being that they are just metal surface area for absorbing heat but if you think you must

main pulsar
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250 usd for a motherboard is quite a bit tho, so if you wanted to, you could go at most 100 dollars cheaper

solar stratus
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Idk there's a bent one and from what I know about conductivity there could be some heat being retained on the CPU. However I checked temps while gaming a few days ago and they were fine.

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~60-70C under load

pastel monolith
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thats kind of my point

main pulsar
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also what do you have rn for a psu @wise oyster

wise oyster
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@main pulsar I'll consider that, thanks

silent sandal
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try not to spend more than 30$ for a 802.11ac adapter, and over 50$ for a 802.11ax adapter
@hollow thorn how do I know which one I need lmao

hollow thorn
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do you get 2000mbps wifi

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if not

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ac

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if yes

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ax

wise oyster
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@main pulsar PSU is Corsair RMX Series, RM850x, 850 Watt, 80+ Gold Certified

main pulsar
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good enough

solar stratus
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@pastel monolith I've also been wondering when AMD CPUs actually go reach their full boost clock because my 2600x usually sits around 3.9gHz but it says it'll boost up to 4.2. what apps would use that kind of boost?

wise oyster
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@main pulsar good enough for adding that 6900xt?

main pulsar
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yep

pastel monolith
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@solar stratus games

main pulsar
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that RMx 850 is a really good psu

wise oyster
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Yes, I didn't want to skimp on a PSU. I learned that many years ago.

hollow thorn
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mhm

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can keep that

pastel monolith
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@solar stratus I would just try a nice 4.1 or 4.2 overclock on all cores with that wraith cooler you have and see where temps are

solar stratus
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Is the task manager number for CPU clock an all-core average or the max speed?

pastel monolith
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well it can show you all of them

solar stratus
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I didn't open the advanced view so I'm assuming it was all-core

silent sandal
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I have the rmx 850

pastel monolith
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yeah its all core then

solar stratus
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Ok

silent sandal
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Solid psu

solar stratus
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So that's actually about where it should be

marble hare
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anyone know best ram speeds for the 5000 series yet?

pastel monolith
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if you OC you could see it sit at 4.1 or 4.2 all the time

solar stratus
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Nice.

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When does thermal throttling start at

pastel monolith
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around 91c i think

solar stratus
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Ok. Good to know

silent sandal
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So @hollow thorn I look at the download speed of my internet?

hollow thorn
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What are you paying for?

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@fickle flax then give a budget if u12a is too expensive

solar stratus
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My budget would about $50

inner plaza
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hey guys so i have a board, 0 bent pins and no seeable issues, but it wont turn on. makes a kind of clicking sound then turn off. any ideas?

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psu makes noise btw

carmine lynx
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The asus rog x570 Crosshair VIII Hero would work with the ryzen 9 5900x well right with no bio flashes and stuff

hollow thorn
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@solar stratus then buy a gammaxx 400

silent sandal
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I have cox gigablast @hollow thorn

solar stratus
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Ok. I'll put it on my list of things to buy. Gotta wait for a paycheck tho lmao

main pulsar
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I have cox gigablast @hollow thorn
@silent sandal is that the REAL name of it?

silent sandal
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That’s what it is lol

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Idk what else

main pulsar
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hilarious

silent sandal
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True

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Lmao

pastel monolith
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Cox Gigablast Speed

How fast is Gigablast?

You may never want to leave the house again. With Cox Gigablast, you'll have the speeds to power all your devices.

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LOL

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thats great

south patrol
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Is mr1111 on?

pastel monolith
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@hollow thorn lets see

south patrol
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Or niboggen

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How does this board look?

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I kinda want to go for it since it’s similar to my current one and I’m looking for an upgrade

silent sandal
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Gigablast is crap

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Don’t listen to their propaganda

pastel monolith
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@south patrol I think its a little pricey for what it is

hollow thorn
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Wat

pastel monolith
silent sandal
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Too pricey

modest ice
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It would be nice if AMD flooded the market with 5900x next week

silent sandal
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Looks cool though

modest ice
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Make a couple of scalpers go bust and I could also get one

south patrol
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Yeah, I just like the WiFi and three m2 slots on the board, plus I only really need the one pcie slot

fresh plinth
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Why are some X570 and B550 boards not compatible with 5000 series?

pastel monolith
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ok let me check a few more

modest ice
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Sometimes the solution is a solution

south patrol
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That is actually really nice, awesome

pastel monolith
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its a good deal for black friday

south patrol
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Exactly

silent sandal
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Looks cool

pastel monolith
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plus I'm tired of helping people with MSI mobo problems this week lol

silent sandal
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Lmao nice

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I have an Asus

pastel monolith
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completely anecdotal but I still wont be recommending one for a bit

silent sandal
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I still hear people praising the tomahawk as the best b550

south patrol
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What has been wrong with the msi ones?

pastel monolith
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nothing specific like I said ancecdotal

silent sandal
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What’s so amazing about the tomahawk

pastel monolith
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the hype

silent sandal
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Why is it hyped

pastel monolith
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supposedly best vrms

hollow thorn
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It's prob not

silent sandal
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Why do we need amazing vrms?

modest ice
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You don't

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Unless you want to maybe do ln2 overclocking

pastel monolith
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and what really is an "amazing" vrm?

modest ice
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Or if you're paranoid

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Overspec'ed

silent sandal
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So no point in the tomahawk

pastel monolith
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are my worst rated vrms in my mobo that have my 8700k Oc-ed to 5.3 on all cores stable worse than say a tomohawks vrms in my personal experience the answer would be no

modest ice
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I like things that are over engineered but for some things the price premium is just never going to pay itself off in any meaningful way

carmine lynx
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The asus rog x570 Crosshair VIII Hero would work with the ryzen 9 5900x well right with no bio flashes and stuff
?

pastel monolith
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@carmine lynx I dont think so

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pretty sure you have to flash first

silent sandal
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What’s a good b550 that looks good, up to the same price point as the tomahawk but cheaper cause we don’t need the crazy stuff?

modest ice
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@carmine lynx Lisa Su hinted that the CPU's should have some very limited support without official support but this hasn't been touted officially

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I wouldn't try it if I could avoid it

carmine lynx
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damn

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I have a 3d gen ryzen now

pastel monolith
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need more features work your way up through the asrock collection until you hit one that costs more than $150

carmine lynx
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could I get a new motherboard and flash it with my current cpu? if that is how it works

pastel monolith
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yes if your current cpu works in that mobo

modest ice
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@brooro

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Yes

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That's exactly how it works

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Update your bios with a working CPU

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With a bios revision that will fully support your future CPU

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Then you're golden

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Provided your bios flash is successful

devout mothBOT
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Ish4n#5087 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

silent sandal
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Would that mobo work with a 5800x?

modest ice
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Let me check the vendor's site

honest gulch
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Oof. How do you flash bios without a working CPU?

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Bios rollback?

fresh plinth
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Some boards support it

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some boards let you do it without a CPU and only wiht a USB stick

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but not all

carmine lynx
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so the motherboard I want is the Asus Rog crosshair VIII and I have a ryzen 5 3600 rn so I could just flash bios to 5th gen ryzen

honest gulch
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I've ordered the Asus B550-F gaming.

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I should be able to do with just a usb stick yeah?

modest ice
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@carmine lynx Ryzen 7 5800X (Vermeer) (3.8GHz,105W,L3:32M,8C) ALL 2311

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Supported since bios revision 2311

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So update your bios to rev. 2311 and you'll have full support for the 5000 series

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Or at least the currently released SKU's

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@honest gulch Your board has the following relevant features:
ASUS EZ DIY

  • ASUS CrashFree BIOS 3
  • ASUS EZ Flash 3
  • ASUS UEFI BIOS EZ Mode
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-BIOS FlashBack™ button
-BIOS FlashBack™ LED

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That's the "ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING" for clarity

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According to Asus no CPU or memory need to be present:
<<Simply drop the (UEFI) BIOS file onto a FAT32 formatted USB stick, plug it into the USB BIOS Flashback port and press the Flashback button next to it. No CPU or memory install is needed, only the ATX power connector is required>>

naive pendant
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amd vs intel?

modest ice
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Your choice

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(choose AMD)

naive pendant
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yes

modest ice
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I have financial interests in relation to the CPU war

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So I'm kind of biased

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(AMD is what the pros use)

naive pendant
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stocks?

modest ice
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Right now yes

hollow thorn
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stonks

modest ice
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I usually take options but I went with stocks for risk management reasons this time

pastel monolith
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stocks are still going up

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I almost dumped mine

naive pendant
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im like 90% sure amd is actually better

pastel monolith
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depends on use case and pocket book

modest ice
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AMD is down since pre-market

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Still above today's lows though so taht's a good sign

pastel monolith
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its my Apple stocks that are soaring

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up to 118 a share last time I checked

naive pendant
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people who had amazon stocks........

pastel monolith
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I hate Apple and wont buy their products but I like money

modest ice
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I tend not to put money in companies I don't like

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I tend to put my money in dividend stocks and keep a 50 - 100k to take trades with

naive pendant
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what do threads do also?

modest ice
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In terms of CPU threads?

naive pendant
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yes

modest ice
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A CPU thread is the availability to run a task

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So a 24 thread CPU for example can run 24 tasks simultaneously

naive pendant
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how much of a speed increase is 4-8?

modest ice
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Nothing in terms of speed

pastel monolith
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threads split the core so it can do more than one task at time

modest ice
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It's double the capacity in terms of corse

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And roughly 20% additional capacity in terms of virtual cores

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It's much better to have 8 cores and 8 thread than to have 4 cores and 8 threads

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Virtual or logical cores just provide an efficiency advantage in most cases

pastel monolith
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Think of cores like workers and threads are their hands the more workers and hands that you have the more work you can get done in a shorter period of time

naive pendant
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another question can a motherboard use a amd and intel processor at seperate times or are motherboard amd or intel? ( last i knew it was or the other)

modest ice
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Except the worker has a good hand and a very bad hand

pastel monolith
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right handed

modest ice
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Motherboards are CPU vendor specific these days

naive pendant
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yeah okay going amd

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maybe im insane but i dont think its worth it for slightly more speed for an intel processor

pastel monolith
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I'm sure there is some terrible chinese made motherboard that can have dual amd and intel cpus in the same mobo but it would be terrible and not the norm

naive pendant
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also whyd my name change

pastel monolith
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time in channel

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you can post pics now!!!!

naive pendant
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coolio does that mean im a cool boy

modest ice
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If you have to ask then no

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That's how coolness works 😛

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It's in the eye of the beholder

naive pendant
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well f

honest gulch
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@modest ice Thanks mate.

modest ice
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You're welcome @honest gulch

glass escarp
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my ryzen 9 has been preordered

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happy

naive pendant
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B550m motherboards are comaptiable with ryzen 300gs if the bios is updated right?

modest ice
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You have to look at the support documentation of the specific motherboard

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So find a motherboard you like and then see if you can navigate to the supported CPU's link on the vendor's website

naive pendant
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i checked and it said it is

modest ice
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There you have it

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Not sure why you would ask any of us here, the vendor knows best 😉

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He's the one you'll yell at if it doesn't work

naive pendant
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ive asked about 100 people at this point about the machine

modest ice
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That seems rather excessive

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You should really consult your requirements and evaluate what hardware will fulfill your needs

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In the end you're the judge of that

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You could ask 10 people and get 10 different answers

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But if you're afraid of commitment or responsibility you could ask a bunch of people and find a trend and rely on that

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Then if anything goes wrong you can absolve yourself from your own responsibility and blame internet screen names. That not constructive but it may prevent your ego from bruising.

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If I have any advice it's to do the due diligence in product research and then make your own decision.

lethal glacier
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Should I get a board with built in WiFi or buy some sort of WiFi card?

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One better then the other?

pastel monolith
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not really

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shoudnt matter in the least do it the way that saves the most $$$

normal jewel
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I'm having trouble using any A-XMP profile. Motherboard: MSI MEG X570 Unify. RAM: G.SKILL TridentZ 32GB 3600mhz. CPU R7 5800X

pastel monolith
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for anyone else keeping track this is MSI mobo problem #213 this week

normal jewel
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any time I try to use an XMP profile my computer reboots but refuses to output a display signal

modest ice
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Use slots a2 and b2

pastel monolith
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have you recently updated bios and above ^

normal jewel
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it is in those slots and I did apply the bios update

pastel monolith
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2 16g sticks or 4 8g sticks

normal jewel
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2x 16

pastel monolith
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did you change anything else in bios?

normal jewel
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no

pastel monolith
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might need to up the voltage to the RAM

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did you see what XMP settings it used for the RAM?

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like timings speed or voltage

normal jewel
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I don't recall

late pine
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wtf

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I ordered it this morning and didn't get far cry 6

pastel monolith
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i never get any of those deals either lol

late pine
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they like just updated the product listing

pastel monolith
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bought 2 2080tis and a 2080 no free games on any of them

late pine
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earlier today the chat support told me it didn't apply to this product

tight sparrow
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its pushing more than that while in use tho if its not motherboard limited haha

late pine
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honestly I might ask again now that they changed it

pastel monolith
#

@normal jewel I would try it again and write down what it changes to

#

we might have to do it manually

normal jewel
#

I'm too tired to do it right now. I'll try tomorrow

pastel monolith
#

ok just hit us up then

sudden fern
#

Do u guys think I should switch from 10700k to ryzen 5600x?

pastel monolith
#

god no

#

overclock that 10700k if its not already and be happy you didnt do that

sudden fern
#

Okay ty

#

I was thinking of switching but was holding me back was the amount of cores

pastel monolith
#

10700k is a beast dont let those amd fan boys get you down

sudden fern
pastel monolith
#

when they showed those tests for the new AMD gpus did they use a 5000 series or 3000 series AMD no they used a 10700k

sudden fern
#

That’s true lmao

modest ice
#

10700k is okay if you already have it

#

It'll be okay for a long time

#

But I mean, you can now get an AMD equivalent, no longer stuck with intel

pastel monolith
#

oh yeah if you are buying one AMD is cheaper price for performance

#

but since he already has one

modest ice
#

Yeah if I had a 10700k I'd have buyer's remorse right now but I wouldn't think of updating that CPU for at least another 3-5 years

#

But that's just because I have a bias for AMD

pastel monolith
#

I dont regret my 8700k at all

#

but that was a different time

modest ice
#

That one is still quite capable

pastel monolith
#

its a monster 5.3 on all cores

modest ice
#

I'm on a FX8350 right now

pastel monolith
#

almost got a 10700k but didnt think I'd be as lucky in the silicon lottery

modest ice
#

The last 2 years have started to be more painful than I'm comfortable with

#

I was up this morning at 9am and missed the 5900X

#

Even though I was on time

pastel monolith
#

yeah the FX series is at its end

#

and proof to the world that clock speeds arent everything

modest ice
#

Now I have a mobo, ram, cooler, nvme, case, psu that's just sitting there in their boxes

split copper
#

it's something at least

modest ice
#

The fx8350 served me really well though

#

I bought it in 2013 for 200$ CAD

pastel monolith
#

cant hate that

modest ice
#

Probably the best value out of a CPU I ever got, up there with Thunderbird 1ghz and Celeron 300a

pastel monolith
#

I did post multiple sites throughout the day that had 5900x's

pastel monolith
#

that canada one probably still does

modest ice
#

Which canada one?

split copper
#

though 4790 was probably 250 USD? or more

modest ice
#

I checked canada computers today

#

They only had in store

pastel monolith
modest ice
#

And these stores are a 5 hours drive

pastel monolith
#

still in stock just expensive

#

they ship

modest ice
#

They're scalping 200$

pastel monolith
#

oh yeah they are

modest ice
#

They don't even have the CPU

#

They just sell full systems

#

Read the BS statement

#

Hahaha

late pine
#

wtf $1000

#

what a scam

modest ice
#

5900X is 799 Canuckistani kopecs

pastel monolith
#

oh yeah

#

shady

#

they take the 200 off your total build price

modest ice
#

Yeah they graciously charge you full retail on a system build

pastel monolith
#

I wonder if it has to work

#

cheapest mobo possible and 1 stick of ddr2 ram and a case

modest ice
#

Their method of fighting scalping is to be the first scalpers

#

I'm still not hurting for that chip though

#

BEcause even if I did get it right now, I'd still have to wait for my 6800XT

pastel monolith
#

is it worth $200 more

modest ice
#

I'm fighting a war on two fronts

#

It can be argued that it is

#

But they won't send it to me I know

#

If I order it they'll tell me it's on back order and they give priority to their system builds

pastel monolith
#

pretty sure if you pay the $200 premium they will send it to you

modest ice
#

I doubt it

#

Canada computers has 5 CPUs this morning across all of ontario

#

And ontario is huge

#

AMD wasn't kidding when they said the supply was limited

#

If there's one thing I learned in my lifetime is that foreplay pays dividends

#

So that 5900X will be much sweeter when I finally do get it

#

It's just a perspective but then again so is everyone's reality

hallow frigate
#

ne1 else on that b&h backorder?

modest ice
#

Santa's got his work cut out for him this year

#

And by santa I mean the taiwanese

proper lava
#

I have a question, does anyone know why a Ryzen 5 5600x is not compatible with an ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 motherboard?

modest ice
#

Is it? If it is it's probably because Asrock did not provide support for it

pastel monolith
#

but it is isnt it?

hollow thorn
#

it's PCPP being dumb

proper lava
#

on the parts picker list it says it's not compatible

hollow thorn
#

bios update

proper lava
#

oh ok

#

what is a bios update btw?

modest ice
#

If you have to ask then I'm tempted to say it's incompatible

pastel monolith
#

I mean I dont think it can be a 550 and not work with the 5000 series

split copper
#

500 supports 5000

modest ice
#

Basically it means your motherboard requires an update

pastel monolith
#

I mean it was designed for the 5000 series

modest ice
#

More specifically the 3000 I would argu

split copper
#

they're looking at the warning in PC Part Picker @modest ice

hallow frigate
#

all b550 work with zen3

pastel monolith
#

wasnt 470x/450 for 3000 series

hollow thorn
#

not without agesa 1.0.8

hallow frigate
#

just update

modest ice
#

I thought 400's were Zen+

pastel monolith
#

maybe I blame AMD for being confusing

proper lava
#

ok thank you

hallow frigate
#

just update bios takes like 10 mins

split copper
#

a BIOS update requires an older gen CPU, so if you have a board that requires a BIOS update to use your newer gen CPU, you will have to spend extra for an Athlon (or equivalent) so you can actually update the BIOS

hallow frigate
#

da f?

pastel monolith
#

some of the new 570x/550/520 boards can flash with no cpu

split copper
#

neat

#

isn't that a feature of X boards only though?

#

maybe it's a feature with more expensive B and A boards

tall storm
#

daaam yall saw those benchmarks

#

i mean shiit

#

like intel is not even gaming king

#

mostly

hallow frigate
#

havent had an intel since ryzen 1700

#

glad its on top

#

too bad cant get hands on new one

lilac perch
#

I know that on some oglf the rog b550 boards have a usb port that let's you flash the bios without CPU, I think it's called ROG Strix b550-Gaming-A, it's like a really clean white mb

soft cloak
#

I was able to get a 5600x this morning at MicroCenter. They did not receive any 5900 or 5950's. This will be a gaming PC for my son. It will also be the first build I have done since USB was the cutting edge. 🙂

pastel monolith
#

lol good luck

#

dont forget to plug in the 8 pin on the motherboard

soft cloak
#

thx. @pastel monolith I've been watching lots of build videos so I know that trick. I'm stull awestruck at M.2 drives. so much better than IDE.

pastel monolith
#

they are crazy fast

clever pike
#

8700k -> 5600x justifiable or go 5900x?

pastel monolith
#

like buying a 8700k as opposed to a 5900x?

#

or you already have a 8700k?

clever pike
#

No i have an 8700k rn. 5600x looks mighty appealing for the price. but im also willing to snag a 5900x. thought id ask if a 5600x would be a noticeable difference from an 8700k

pastel monolith
#

no it would not unless you are rendering videos or something

#

the 5900x also wont give you any gaming performance but it will do workstation tasks much quicker

#

I myself have an 8700k nothing wrong with it

#

is the 8700k overclocked right now?

clever pike
#

No, no complaints about it. just planning to buy a 6800xt and thought id just take full advantage and buy r5k. and yes. 5.05

pastel monolith
#

I wouldnt

#

even in their initial benchmarks AMD released they used a 10700k... so there is that

#

I would OC that 8700k though its meant for it

#

mines at 5.3 on all cores

#

almost all of them can do 5.1 on all cores no problem with an air cooler

#

5.05 is a little weak

#

unless that was as high as it would go stable

#

my wifes only does 5.1

clever pike
#

im no expert with OC'ing. plus my mb is quite lackluster.

pastel monolith
#

no worries there Im rocking a gigabyte z370 hd3p with supposedly the worst vrms in the history of vrms

#

but yeah I would just grab that 6800xt and hold on for better cpus in the future

lofty jasper
#

@clever pike Hey, I have an 8700k. Any of the 5000 series will be a great upgrade. This is the best single generation leap in a looong time for CPUs and gaming, especially for single threaded games. If your GPU is a choke point then you won’t notice a difference, but the lower your resolution and the higher the refresh rate of your screen, the more you’ll notice a benefit from a anew CPU. You really need a beast of a GPU to notice a big difference at 4K though.

pastel monolith
#

I still think you should wait and see what is to come but that isnt bad advice

lofty jasper
#

I expect next gen’s big deal will be DDR5, and the first iteration of a new memory generation isn’t too great of a time to jump on board. 8700K to current gets you PCIE 3 to 4, the option to more than double your core count and the extra single threaded performance is icing on the cake.

edgy yacht
#

Is the ryzen 5 3600x good

clever pike
#

I've been warming up to amd since 2nd gen ryzen. I was told to keep waiting then and i listened. Now heres 5th gen with great looking numbers. Pair that with their new gpu. Hard to resist.

lofty jasper
#

3000 series is good, but 5000 series is more bang for your buck

#

I wouldnt’ bother with 3000 anymore unless you get it cheap used.

edgy yacht
#

I don’t have $300

#

For a cpu

#

It’s 120 for it

#

Yk

lone oar
#

Guys do I connect an rgb strip that uses usb do I connect it to the motherboard. If not then where

lofty jasper
#

120 for a 3600x sounds like a great deal

worn night
#

@lone oar if it's usb then yeah likely one of the USB headers at the bottom of the board

lone oar
#

Ok

worn night
#

Is that what the connector looks like?

mild elk
#

so i installed new ram and my peripherals randomly stopworking

high steeple
#

What brand?

#

For ram

#

And periphs

naive pendant
#

desktop or laptop ?

high steeple
#

@mild elk

#

Obviously desktop...

naive pendant
#

you dont know

mild elk
#

Desktop yea

high steeple
#

Told ya

mild elk
#

and its the vengance

high steeple
#

Who tf Installed ram on a laptop???

mild elk
#

ddr3 3200 mhz cl16

peak ledge
#

me

naive pendant
#

i have replaced ram just to find out i forgot to plug keyboard cable in

high steeple
#

Intalls*

peak ledge
#

I do

mild elk
#

i meant ddr4

high steeple
#

Lies

peak ledge
#

rarm upgrades and stuff are kinda like

#

pretty common for laptops

high steeple
#

Nah

#

Not rlly

mild elk
#

@.spookynEternxl

high steeple
#

Ye

#

Corsair vengeance

#

3200 mhz

peak ledge
#

lol wdym not really

mild elk
#

ddr4 cl16

high steeple
#

What ram did you have before?

peak ledge
#

ever heard of SODIMM ram

high steeple
#

Ye

peak ledge
#

did you know you coud put that in a laptop

high steeple
#

Ppl don't upgrade ram very often in laptops

mild elk
#

some pny one

high steeple
#

I know you can upgrade, can u read lol

#

I said people dont

mild elk
#

its anarchy

shrewd yoke
#

its pretty common in laptops

peak ledge
#

and what makes you think that people dont upgrade their laptops

#

lol

mild elk
#

3200 cl 16 ddr4

high steeple
#

I haven't seen anyone lmao

#

Def not "common"

shrewd yoke
#

not too many ppl flex laptop ram upgrades

peak ledge
#

So because youhaven't seen anybody do it it means that it's not common

mild elk
#

canyou join a voice chat?

#

General 1?

peak ledge
#

Yeah it's because laptop ram isnt RGB etc

high steeple
#

Well that depends

#

Weather or not its common

#

I can't @mild elk

naive pendant
#

Then if anything goes wrong you can absolve yourself from your own responsibility and blame internet screen names. That not constructive but it may prevent your ego from bruising.
@modest ice i come back to this. ive done 25 hrs or research just making sure im not doing bad on said research

full flame
#

I mean if a laptop comes with 8gb or something, and like most manufacturers, they overcharge for more RAM, why wouldn't you add more?

mild elk
#

Well what do i do

high steeple
#

@mild elk what perf brand

mild elk
#

huh

high steeple
#

Razer?

#

Because razer is problematic

mild elk
#

Whats perf

high steeple
#

Peripheral

pastel monolith
#

Ok who has a gigabyte aorus board

mild elk
#

well it was my steelseries and mouse

pastel monolith
mild elk
#

steelsereies headset and gloruiouis model o

#

those stopped working

pastel monolith
#

I cant figure out why this thing cant detect a usb stick

mild elk
#

but when i pluged it into a new usb they started working again

high steeple
#

@pastel monolith that is tuff

mild elk
#

but going back to stops it from working

pastel monolith
#

and it has some stupid setup mode in the boot menu

high steeple
#

Well then it's your ports

pastel monolith
#

and secure boot options are standard or custom with no customization

high steeple
#

Idk

#

Never had that prblm

pastel monolith
#

@covert turtle have a sec?

#

I feel like there has to be a way to have it boot from a USB

#

but I sure dont see how to change it

#

and Im not hands on here so I can only go by what he telling me

high steeple
#

Ur trying to boot directly from the USB?

pastel monolith
#

install windows

#

yeah

high steeple
#

Oh

#

Ok

#

So did u try a different port?

pastel monolith
#

yeah and another usb drive with windows on it

high steeple
#

Weird

pastel monolith
#

the first one he got from gigabyte in the box with the motherboard which I had never heard of before

high steeple
#

Should have detected

#

Very odd

#

Why would they give one?

pastel monolith
#

right? I dont get it

#

so at first I thought it was just a blank flashdrive hence the other usb stick

high steeple
#

Maybe the software is corrupted??

pastel monolith
#

since no motherboard manufacturer has ever sent me a windows install usb

high steeple
#

Ye

pastel monolith
#

possibly but why that wierd message

#

"USB key is not detected"

high steeple
#

Ye

#

That's strange for sure

pastel monolith
#

Its like I know what needs to happen

#

USB needs to be selected as a boot option

high steeple
#

But how

pastel monolith
#

but this latest gigabyte bios....

high steeple
#

Ikr

pastel monolith
#

no legacy options or anything

high steeple
#

Is there no alternative option to choose how it boots?

pastel monolith
high steeple
#

So maybe try standard?

pastel monolith
#

tried both sir

high steeple
#

Thats really weird...

pastel monolith
#

no extra options after selecting either

hallow frigate
#

did u check if its uefi or legacy boot

pastel monolith
#

and see how its in setup mode cant change that either

high steeple
#

No legacy option tho.

pastel monolith
#

if I knew how to see if it was in uefi or legacy we wouldnt be having this conversation

hallow frigate
#

it should be there

#

all new bios has it

high steeple
#

Go to settongs

#

And check there

#

Sometimes its hidden

covert turtle
#

just restart, make sure your USB drive is plugged into one of the USB ports on your motherboard, spam F8 when you're booting, and you'll get a boot menu, use the arrow keys or mouse to click the USB drive

hallow frigate
#

if u have another computer or laptop u should check if that USB actually has windows on it

#

i never heard of any mobo coming with preloaded windows on a usb

high steeple
#

@covert turtle with the clutch if it works

pastel monolith
#

@covert turtle having him try that now thanks I know you build these things for a living lol

#

just so you guys can see the vast info on the settings page lol

covert turtle
#

theres nothing in the bios you need

high steeple
#

Damn

silent sandal
#

So if I have wifi 6, a wifi 5 board will essentially be useless in terms of WiFi right?

pastel monolith
#

yeah he is moving on to your fix now @covert turtle

covert turtle
#

just need the boot menu, which is almost always F8

#

if the USB drive is not on the boot menu

hallow frigate
#

goto Boot

high steeple
#

Demon

covert turtle
#

that means there's no bootable media on it

#

and you need to properly install windows 10 ISO on it

high steeple
#

Since you're here

pastel monolith
#

this is what we got when hitting F8

high steeple
#

Ryzen 7 3700x or i7 9700k

devout mothBOT
#
greymatter04#9966 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

covert turtle
#

so your flash drive doesnt have windows on it

hallow frigate
#

its not detecting anything that usb probably doesnt have win on it

covert turtle
#

you need to install the windows 10 iso on it

high steeple
#

He said it did

#

Have it

covert turtle
#

then he did it wrong

high steeple
#

Mhm

hallow frigate
#

go to that link download windows make an iso, then go download Rufus and make bootable USB using MBR

covert turtle
#

no

pastel monolith
#

trying the other drive now already had him make another one earlier

high steeple
#

@covert turtle i7 9700k or ryzen 7 3700x

pastel monolith
#

I still question that windows drive sent by gigabyte with the motherboard since I have never heard of that probably just a blank drive with their logo on it

hallow frigate
#

probably a USB stick with "Windows" drivers

high steeple
#

That is very odd

covert turtle
#

plug it into a different PC and find out?

high steeple
#

Very sketchy...

#

Why would they send a drive?

#

Was it a used mobo?

pastel monolith
#

windows drivers sounds more likely

#

no

hallow frigate
#

even the newest motherboards they still send a damn dvd with drivrs on it, probably usb has drivers or the instructions manuals on a pdf

pastel monolith
#

success

covert turtle
#

there

pastel monolith
#

thanks @covert turtle I should have thought of just selecting it but I sure thought you could do it in Bios

covert turtle
#

F8 shortcut

#

easiest way

pastel monolith
#

we were like locked in some setup nonsense where half the settings are missing

covert turtle
#

only thing you would ever need to really do in BIOS when building a new PC is turning on XMP

high steeple
#

Ye lol

covert turtle
#

other than that?🤷‍♂️

high steeple
#

Yo

#

So

#

9700k

#

Or 3700x

#

@covert turtle

covert turtle
#

depends on the price

#

and usecase

high steeple
#

Price is same

#

Exact same price

#

420

#

420

covert turtle
#

420 what

high steeple
#

Cad

pastel monolith
#

I lean toward the 9700k

high steeple
#

Samr

#

Same*

covert turtle
#

usecase?

high steeple
#

Mostly gaming

#

And school work and stuff

#

Skme editing

#

Some*

#

Not much

pastel monolith
#

but yeah if you are rendering or doing workstation stuff obviously the 3700x will be better

covert turtle
#

why not get a 10600k?

high steeple
#

How much is that?

covert turtle
#

$370 cad

high steeple
#

On newegg?

pastel monolith
#

359.99 on Canada Computers

high steeple
#

Found it

high steeple
#

Ty

#

Which cooler

#

Il go with the 9700k or 10600k then

covert turtle
#

well you'd need to decide

#

cause they are two different boards

high steeple
#

Ye ik

#

Gonna go with 9700k

#

Then

#

For cpu cooler

#

Is the msi mag core any good?

#

Or should I just go for the nzxt kraken x53

covert turtle
#

why get a 9700k when the 10600k is faster and cheaper

high steeple
#

Its more

covert turtle
#

$365 is more than $420?

high steeple
#

Just checked i7 9700k is 320

#

Cad

#

Not 420

covert turtle
#

where?

high steeple
#

Newegg

#

And amazon

covert turtle
#

?

high steeple
#

Nvm

#

It is

#

I'm tripping lol

#

Then the 10600k

covert turtle
#

what graphics card do you have?

high steeple
#

Gonna get a 5700 xt

#

Sapphire

#

Nitro+

covert turtle
#

whats your total system budget?

high steeple
#

Without tax about 1600-700

#

Cad

#

1600-1700

high steeple
#

That's cheaper

#

Then newegg

pastel monolith
#

a little bit

high steeple
#

Ye

covert turtle
#

when do you plan on building the PC?

pastel monolith
#

it is 424 though read all the nonsense

high steeple
#

Ye i did

#

I'm building it either within the next 2 weeks or end of november

covert turtle
#

what monitor do you have

high steeple
#

None rn

covert turtle
#

is the $1700 including the monitor? or is it extra

high steeple
#

Just a 60 hz dell monitor

#

Planning on buying monitor on boxing day

#

Not rn

#

So 1700 no monitor

covert turtle
#

do you actually care about overclocking?

high steeple
#

Ye I do tbh

pastel monolith
#

If you are buying the whole thing you could make a trip the US and save some money and pay for the trip with said saved money

high steeple
#

Ye lol

pastel monolith
#

I bought 3 Quest 2's for Canadian friends lol

high steeple
#

Lol nice

#

The 5700xt is a good card rogh

#

Right *

pastel monolith
#

yes

high steeple
#

Yeye

#

Auros or nitro +

#

Which would you recommend

#

Nitro + seems better to me

pastel monolith
#

honestly the best priced one

high steeple
#

Nitro + is a lot cheaper

#

$50

#

Cheaper

pastel monolith
#

than that one for sure

high steeple
#

Ye

pastel monolith
#

not streaming are you?

high steeple
#

Nah

covert turtle
high steeple
#

Maybe recording sometimes but no streaming

pastel monolith
#

k thats really the only reason I would say go with an Nvidia over 5700xt

covert turtle
#

that would be a solid system

high steeple
#

Alri

#

Soni need a 750w right?

pastel monolith
#

great build

high steeple
#

Ye

covert turtle
#

dont need it, its just a good deal

pastel monolith
#

love that case

high steeple
#

Kk

covert turtle
#

was like $5-$10 more than other options

high steeple
#

Oh

covert turtle
#

for a 750W over a 600W

high steeple
#

Thats good

#

I like the corsair 220t airflow better

covert turtle
#

case is subjective, so 🤷

high steeple
#

Thats an amazing build man ty

#

What monitor would you recommend

pastel monolith
#

corsair 220t is an ok case love that H500 though

covert turtle
#

past build i did in the white version of the CM H500

high steeple
#

That honestly looks good

covert turtle
#

i havent done one in the 220T airflow yet

#

just did one in the Meshify C though

high steeple
#

Oh

#

Nice

#

What's a good monitor

covert turtle
high steeple
#

That looks niceee

covert turtle
#

nicer PC

#

newer build

#

nicer camera

#

lol

high steeple
#

Haha

covert turtle
#

top is a R5 2600 / RTX 2080

pastel monolith
#

nice looks good did you paint the tubes on the rad or did it come white

covert turtle
#

bottom is a i9 10900k RTX 3070

high steeple
#

Nice nice

covert turtle
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AIO comes white

pastel monolith
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nice I like it

high steeple
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Expensive build haha

covert turtle
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$1550

high steeple
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Usd?

covert turtle
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yeah

high steeple
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Not bad

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I thought it would be more lol

covert turtle
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could pull a few bits to make it less

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swap ram

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to a cheaper kit i have

high steeple
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Ah

covert turtle
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i have a different HDD in it

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so i can actually take $20 off the price there

high steeple
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Ye

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Every dollar matters when building a pc

covert turtle
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it would be just over $1500

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if i swapped from the 4x8 crucial

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to the 2x16 trident Z RGB

high steeple
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Oh ok

covert turtle
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current parts list

high steeple
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Would 1 to be enough?

covert turtle
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thats the cooler

high steeple
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Pretty nice

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Would the 5700xt be fine for recording.?

graceful elm
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really

pastel monolith
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nice I been thinking about a white build for a while

high steeple
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Is cooler master a good brand for plus.

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Psus

covert turtle
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dont base your choices on brand

high steeple
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On the product right.

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Ye

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Ur right

lone oar
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However enermax revolution is good

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Not the brand but like in facts

pastel monolith
covert turtle
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yeah

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i wish i got a vision card

high steeple
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Damnn

covert turtle
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but oh well

high steeple
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Thats nice

lone oar
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That looks sexy

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Lol

graceful elm
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swag

high steeple
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Nzxt x53 or msi mag core 240?

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Whats the better aio

pastel monolith
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white cards are always so hard to get a hold of

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I mean neither really

lone oar
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I don’t care about the look of my gpu

pastel monolith
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@high steeple are you like really in love with how those 2 look or something

graceful elm
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Me either, i just want functionality at good price

high steeple
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Ye lol

pastel monolith
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I linked the 240 freezer ii earlier

high steeple
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I want an aio

pastel monolith
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get a freezer ii

high steeple
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Is it better then both?

pastel monolith
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oh yeah

high steeple
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Which one oit of those w would be better

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The nzxtm

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Or msi

pastel monolith
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guessing the kraken

high steeple
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Mhm

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Ok

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Thanks

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Ima go now

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Later

pastel monolith
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but the freezer is cheaper and better

high steeple
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Thanks for all the help

pastel monolith
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later

high steeple
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Ye il look into the freezer

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Ty

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Latrr

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Later

graceful elm
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what think

pastel monolith
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nice reasonable mobo and case

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crazy memory but its a 5800x

graceful elm
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i literally saw big number and was like oooo

pastel monolith
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not sure about that drive

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I think 2 x 1tb would be cheaper

graceful elm
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you sure?

pastel monolith
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USA?

lone oar
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I’ve never heard of it either

pastel monolith
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its just a big Adata which make decent drives

lone oar
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Oh

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It should be fine then

wooden meteor
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I have a Ryzen 7 3700x and a 1050ti. It’s a bottleneck but will it damage any parts?

lone oar
pastel monolith
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yes

graceful elm
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ive heard crucial is pretty good

lone oar
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Wait what

graceful elm
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but are they as fast as the other one?

lone oar
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Does team or crucial have data migration software

pastel monolith
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just as fast if not faster

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I dont know @lone oar

lone oar
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Ok

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Wait a second

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To data migrate can’t you just use a usb

pastel monolith
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if its a small drive or a big usb stick

lone oar
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Ok

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Well then I’m good lol

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The laptop I have rn came with 128 gigs and my dad has a 256 gig usb lol

pastel monolith
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I dont ever migrate if I change my boot drive I just put everything I want to save on the non boot drives in the system

silent sandal
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Is there a particular wifi 5 adapter I should be looking for, or just any?

pastel monolith
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what for?>

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get a wifi card unless its a laptop

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don't attempt to play games on a gaming pc with a wifi dongle please

silent sandal
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What do I do then

pastel monolith
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get a wifi pcie card

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unless your motherboard already has wifi built in then you are good to go

graceful elm
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why wifi?

pastel monolith
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pretty sure we went over this yesterday roommates dont like the cord

silent sandal
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Yeah lol

graceful elm
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understandable

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mine runs from the living room through the hallway into my room in the corner

pastel monolith
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and Waffles won't drill holes in his walls

silent sandal
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Is there a particular one I should look out for, or just one that’s not too expensive?

pastel monolith
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basically the not too expensive thing

split storm
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Is this the correct channel to ask about RAM?

pastel monolith
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sure

split storm
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I have an HP pavilion laptop 15-cw1xxx and i was looking to upgrade the ram form the current 8G ramg space to a 32G ram space. I am having trouble figuring out what to choose and i would like advice on a good quality 32G ram that is compatible with my laptop.