cpus-mobo-and-memory

[left path]

ok...thats what i was wondering.....sorry for the caps issue

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant it's really nice for fan curves, I mean, do you really want to work with fans that can only ramp up and down in 25% increments?

[gritty meadow]

no worries mate.

[left path]

yep...your right....its just a bit depressing to have to disgard 2x16 if you want to upgrade later to 64gb

[gritty meadow]

@hollow thorn minor note, the DC control you are talking about is the BIOS one. Because you could easily do a manual adjustment with an external dongle.

@left path absolutely.

however, 2*16 should not be hard to sell later on

because a lot of other users WONT be going the dual stick path

so they will be missing a single 16 stick :)

[hollow thorn]

Yea, without any extra hardware

[left path]

make sense.....just 1 more question....since system is sold as 2666mhz/cl19.......could i go with 2666mhz/cl18.......guess latency has limits also

[gritty meadow]

try and see what other users have been able to actually run that laptop model with

laptops are a bit weird in what you have access to bios/setting wise

IF it was a desktop, i would say, go ahead, have at it.

[left path]

hmmmmmm.....im guessing that if i dabbled with bios.....and it didnt turn out so well, and wanted to return......id get hit with a restocking fee or worse....denied return.....all cause i didnt do my homework and was a bonehead

[gritty meadow]

one could also say, because MSI are about as clear as mud with info like that :)

its a good question, but one i (at least) cannot answer, because i have not had hands on experience with that model

hence the recommendation to have a look at what other users have gotten to work :)

[left path]

thanx to both of you who responded.....this is a great site and will be bookmarking ......

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome and best of luck :)

[woven cosmos]

Ryzen 5 1600/2600 or ryzen 3 3200g best to get?

[gritty patio]

3600

@woven cosmos for what exactly?

[woven cosmos]

Budget gaming

Fivem mainly

[hollow thorn]

3100

[gritty patio]

@woven cosmos either a 3100 of a 3300 if you can find one

[woven cosmos]

What about a 3400g?

@hollow thorn @gritty patio

[gritty patio]

you have a gpu?

[hollow thorn]

APUs run 1 generation behind cpu architecture

So a 3400g is basically a 2600

[gritty patio]

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-8-Thread-Unlocked-Desktop-Processor/dp/B0876Y2TMZ

this the one G

[woven cosmos]

So that what I shall get

[gritty patio]

the 3100 imo

[woven cosmos]

So I can’t post

[gritty patio]

nah

[woven cosmos]

3400g same price ish

[gritty patio]

you gotta be a certain level

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-3-3100-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3400G/m1148404vsm825156

[woven cosmos]

I can dm you?

[gritty patio]

its faster and cheaper

[woven cosmos]

I dmed you

[hollow thorn]

Userbenchmark ehm

Should use passmark but yeah

[naive pendant]

Looks like I might be getting a 3800x instead of a 3700x

[gritty patio]

poggers

[cunning rivet]

i have a question about the trident royal series i need help with

is there a 16 gb kit? im doing my first build and trying to find one that would match the Gamerock 3070

never mind i didnt check their site

imma stick with the neo kit lmao

[misty belfry]

so

what does everyone think

should it be more important to get a GPU or more important to first buy RAM that fits my infinity fabric speeds so that my overall system speed is up to par

currently running 2400MHz DDR4, want to run 3200MHz DDR4

wondering if actual improvement in system speed

[verbal atlas]

This might seem dumb but what’s the difference between these two sets of ram from gskill? I was gonna get a 3700x to go with them

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232748?&quicklink=true

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232752

[hollow thorn]

@misty belfry GPU first, that'll be the largest performance difference in games

[modern tundra]

@verbal atlas only difference I can see is that the second is labeled ‘AMD ready’ and costs more because of it. Either should be fine

[verbal atlas]

@modern tundra ok thanks, in the title each set lists both amd and intel so I was just a little confused as to why if it doesn’t matter. Thanks for the help!

[naive pendant]

Hey a friend wants to know if he should get a Ryzen 3 3100 or a Ryzen 3 3200G

[modern tundra]

Can he afford a graphics card? If so he should get a 3100, if he is going without one and wants to use integrated graphics get the 3200g. The 3100 has better CPU performance @naive pendant

[misty belfry]

@hollow thorn oh I realize that much. I'm talking about building things in a correct order so when I do get a GPU the performance benefit is the best it can be

infinity fabric is very much a thing in terms of overall system performance, including your GPU, because AMD went and tied it to everything

[hollow thorn]

You'll need to upgrade both

Well, just CPU but CPU perf matters for everything

[misty belfry]

well also the obvious "RAM speed is affected and that affects everything"

and "any kind of bus that is connected to the CPU is theoretically affected"

[hollow thorn]

eh, ram perf matters for cpu perf which matters for everything

anyways

what CPU again?

[misty belfry]

R7 2700

[hollow thorn]

Not really if bus is running on the default 100

[misty belfry]

R7 2700

still powerful, despite being a bit old

also, i already know I need DDR4-3200

that's bottom level knowledge for this CPU

brb

[hollow thorn]

back

I used to have a 2700

[gritty meadow]

@verbal atlas "why does it have a amd/intel ready sticker" <- because marketing is silly. And yes, i am actually serious about that answer.

[bitter shadow]

Hello y'all! I was wondering if the RAM is upgradable on an HP ENVY x360 15-ee0010ca? The information is quite hard to find >_>

The default 8Gb is not enough in 2020, I wonder why they even sell them

[main pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL_kVWcYmr4

[bitter shadow]

Cool, thank you @main pulsar! Will the instructions be compatible with the model I'm refering to you think?

[main pulsar]

at 2 mins it shows 2 sodimm slots

the differences in model number at that point have to do with listed specs, so the HP ENVY x360 15 is the important part, with the remainder of the model number really only used by the manufacturer to differentiate between the specifications of models

[bitter shadow]

Ok, awesome to know that! Thank you ❤️

Do you also know what is the maximum supported RAM?

I'd like to install 2 x 16GB

[main pulsar]

i do not know

i would suggest 2x8gb for both cost and compatibility reasons

[bitter shadow]

Fair enough

[main pulsar]

also because i doubt you will need 32gb

especially on a low powered laptop

[bitter shadow]

Last question for you, do you know how I can be sure of RAM specs compatibility?

(speed, etc.)

[main pulsar]

even in the rare event you do run out of memory, caching to the NVMe ssd wont really effect you

really any ddr4 will work tbh

[bitter shadow]

Ok!

Great, thank you so much for helping!

[main pulsar]

the preinstalled stuff is 3200

so i would suggest getting 2x8gb 3200mhz DDR4

[bitter shadow]

Thank you ❤️

[main pulsar]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820156243

good price too

[bitter shadow]

HP should give money to people like you for helping their customers. Can't seem to find anything as useful on their website

[main pulsar]

hp has people they pay to do this sort of thing

but all they do is read from a script

[gritty meadow]

@bitter shadow its so-dimm memory modules.

[naive pendant]

I have the i9 10900k and rog swift z490 16gb ram 2070 super and I was wondering if I should plug my cpu with 8 pins or 12!

Can someone please help me would really appreciate it

[verbal atlas]

@gritty meadow seems like that’s the case, thanks!

[hollow thorn]

PSU should have 2xEPS 8 pins

[main pulsar]

rog swift is a monitor

[hollow thorn]

Plug one 8 pin in, and half of the other

Prob some random rog z490 board, doesn't really matter :p

[main pulsar]

yeah ik lol

but for a 10900k you really only need one 8 pin

[naive pendant]

Mb lmao

If I want it non over locked do I just use a 8pin or

[hollow thorn]

Doesn't really matter, as long as 1 8 pin is plugged in it's fine

[misty belfry]

wait, 12 pin CPU?

is that for if you're overclocking max and drawing all the power?

[hollow thorn]

Kinda, yea

There's 8+4 for a good number of boards

[misty belfry]

for when you're drawing 200W with your CPU

[vital field]

hello everyone

anyone have a clue to upgrade ram of dell 14 5401 ? models supported

F4-3000C16S-16GRS and HX432S20IB/16 are options

would they be compatible?

[faint ferry]

Is a Asus Prime X570-Pro motherboard a good choice? Two reasons why I would get this is for the white style since most of my components will be white and as well as the pci 4 for storage. Or should I go with a Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming?

[hollow thorn]

X570-p

PCIe 4.0 storage is completely unnecessary for 95% of users

and b550-f tend to be way overpriced at like 160$

[quaint current]

b-b-but it looks cool :(

[cunning pumice]

Is pcie 4.0 good for graphics cards

[neat estuary]

Its not needed atm. Nvidia themselves have confirmed you will only gain the tiniest boost by useing it

[loud escarp]

The silicon lottery was not nice to me

[rustic locust]

which b550 should i get

[bronze summit]

It depends @rustic locust

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/190884/intel-core-i5-9600kf-processor-9m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html

have a look here

specifically the base frequency and the max turbu frequency.

[naive pendant]

Oh..

Yeah

[gritty meadow]

does that make sense of things for you?

[naive pendant]

Ye

ASUS PRIME Z390-P
Is this decent for what I hsve

[gritty meadow]

2sec

what would you like to obtain by buying that board?

as in, what do you think you will gain?

[naive pendant]

Overclocking and more space to assemble my components, I got 3 bruises on my hand and I can barely move it now

And also usb 3.0

Along with I'm looking to buy an i7 and my current one has a 4 pin only

[gritty meadow]

fair

then yes, that is a solid board for that

[naive pendant]

Alright

[junior hedge]

hmm

10900k or 3900x for a 3080 build? also what sort of mobo would bring the best out of that gpu/cpu combo?

[north plaza]

my cpu overheating when nothing is opened

just got it yesterday

any help?

[gritty meadow]

@north plaza details about parts

[left nymph]

Suggest a best pc for gaming and video editing under $200

No pc cpu

[naive pendant]

That's too little money lol

Unless you go used market maybe but still a stretch for anything halfway decent

[vital field]

especially for video editing

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant I think they want to say best CPU

@left nymph best CPU under 200$ atm is a 3600

[naive pendant]

i7-8700K or ryzen 7 2700X

or ryzen 7 3800X

[tacit hemlock]

Out of those three options the 3800x is obviously the best, but it's the most expensive too

[naive pendant]

@tacit hemlock cheaper than 8700k in my country

[tacit hemlock]

Older gen intel cpus tend to still be priced expensively, so that might be the case there. The 3800x is the best option there so I'd go with that

[naive pendant]

according to benchmarks 8700k beats these ryzens easily

[gritty meadow]

i have got to see this

do elaborate @naive pendant

[naive pendant]

ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guClUsW75Uo&ab_channel=TechRacoon

@gritty meadow

[gritty meadow]

just no.

actual reputable site

[naive pendant]

um

[gritty meadow]

and i have just had a look at his video titles via twitter. Please dont go back there.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar <- a suggestion would be to read that

and then make up your own mind based on that and other sites that actually do testing instead of just synth tests

[cunning pumice]

Is the MSI B550 Carbon Gaming a good motherboard?

[jovial flare]

excellent motherboard, no doubt about that

i got a b450, which does already very well

b550 should be better

[stiff kraken]

anyone know the cheapest AM4 ATX board that supports rainbow ARGB? i know the pro4 has an argb header but it only does solid colors in the software i think

[hollow thorn]

@cunning pumice depends on price

@stiff kraken you know how to use the Mobo sheet right, I'm on mobile rn

I'll try in a sec, but you can use #building-and-recc-chat

[prisma blade]

gotcha, thanks

[stiff kraken]

@hollow thorn yes but not every mobo with 5V argb header actually supports rainbow color

[hollow thorn]

I don't know rgb crap so

idk

what's the difference

[stiff kraken]

Pro4 has ARGB header but only lets you use solid colors

[hollow thorn]

mobo company software?

I assume it's dependent on the brand maybe

[stiff kraken]

yeah

[faint ferry]

Anyone know the price drop of the 3900x or estimated price during Black Friday? Original price is $440 with no sales.

[hollow thorn]

Can't predict the future :D

Also keep in mind AMD desktop 4000 series is announcing in october, releasing sometime near that.

[proud pier]

well if you keep waiting for the newest stuff you'll never build it

[hollow thorn]

@proud pier mentioning it because it'll likely come out before black friday lol

[proud pier]

hm never thought of that

but yeah good point

[hollow thorn]

I'm not telling people to buy a 4080 today yaknow

[proud pier]

yeah ur not like some other chads going like "wait for rocket lake"

im not waiting for rocket lake

im just gonna go amd

[quartz cypress]

is a 5000 mhz ddr4 ram stick necessary?

[quaint current]

for a lot of people no

[rustic locust]

does b550 have a big performance diffrence than x570

[hollow thorn]

no

[warped scroll]

Best motherboard for 10900KF at around $250 or lower?
Is that possible

[rustic locust]

your mom

[tacit hemlock]

[rustic locust]

[naive pendant]

[rustic locust]

amd haz cooler name tan intel amd beter dan intel

[naive pendant]

cool

[warm fulcrum]

so is the keynote of zen 3 on the 8th or that the release date?

[prisma blade]

What’s a good sub $150 mobo for r5 3600 and 2060/3060 super

[naive pendant]

hmm

whats ur budget

ok

[prisma blade]

I have no pcie 4 storage

I’m just looking at b550 for the VRMS

And “future proofing”

It’s mainly for gaming

[prisma blade]

And is 3200CL16 enough for the r5 3600?

[naive pendant]

get 3700x

[gritty patio]

you think a 3600 is gonna bottleneck?

@naive pendant

[naive pendant]

did i say bottleneck

rip

im stupid

[gritty patio]

ya just a bit confused lmao hand me rethink my purchase

[naive pendant]

nah

soz

wait

is there newegg in america

cos

scorptech has a killer combo

[gritty patio]

yes lmao

[naive pendant]

of like ram a mobo and cpu

scorptech has a killer combo
@naive pendant sorry newegg

[gritty patio]

never seen this website in my life

[naive pendant]

scorptech?

[gritty patio]

ya lmao

[naive pendant]

its in Australia

i think they ship

[gritty patio]

ya US gang

im not too proud of the US rn but like

i cant just pack up and leave

[naive pendant]

lmao

[hollow thorn]

What do you do

what do you use your PC for

different CPUs are for different workloads

oh wait oof I forgot 9700k is 8c8t

no HT

[supple flax]

oof

[hollow thorn]

What's the total budget?

[supple flax]

gotta get the HT lmao

[hollow thorn]

might be able to fit in a 10600k

[heady root]

10600k is 290 rn so it should fit

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-10600k-core-i5-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118124?Description=10600k&cm_re=10600k-_-19-118-124-_-Product&quicklink=true

[hollow thorn]

No

10600k better

6c12t vs 8c8t

@naive pendant simply, get the "i3 i5 i7" marketing out of your mind

it's bs

10600k is slightly better overall iirc

It's more threads for multi-core loads

it's slightly higher clocks/ipc for single-thread loads

Well effectively the same single-thread perf

AMD current gen has lower single-core perf

that's why Intel still wins in gaming

[quaint current]

:v probably was userbenchmark

[jovial flare]

i think that website is pretty reliable

[quaint current]

its really skewed towards single core vs multi core

[jovial flare]

oh ok

[quaint current]

for example the "effective speed" of the 5 year old 4c/4t is higher than the new 64c/128t chip https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-5675C-vs-AMD-Ryzen-TR-3990X/m31828vsm1035665

[topaz reef]

tbh i wouldnt count on that being correct

[quaint current]

ya thats why we dont like userbenchmark here

its pretty misleading to people that dont know much and isnt a good true benchmark overall

[silver star]

Random question; I’m looking to upgrade the processor on my fiancé’s pc, and was wondering if you guy have any deal spot. She currently has an i5 6600, which means that 7th gen is the best I could slap in there. Thing is, even the 7600 is kind of expensive for being 3 gens old at this point. I’d rather not swap out her whole motherboard/processor combo if i don’t have to...

[gritty patio]

@silver star you dont really have a choice lmao

i was in the same predicament

it just makes sense to get a new mb and processor

i went with a 3600 and b450

[silver star]

Thing is, she doesn’t game all that much. The most intensive thing she does atm is the sims 4. But, we plan to play Ashes of Creation, and she’d have to do min settings with her current processor(the only thing holding her back). I found a 7600 for 189 on Amazon, so I light just grab that and throw it in there. It should keep her set for what she wants to do.

[gritty patio]

a cheap b450 and throwing in a 3100 would be around the same price

http://hwbench.com/cpus/amd-ryzen-3-3100-vs-intel-core-i5-7600k

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-3100/3890vsm1148404

[neat estuary]

It is time 🙃

[prisma blade]

I heard that 3rd gen ryzen doesnt need crazy fast ram

would ddr4 3200 c16 be enough for gaming?

[gritty meadow]

technically yes

would it like faster ram? yes

3600 cl16 is what is normally recommended

16gigs is about 75-80 usd

[prisma blade]

i like rgb and im trying to decide between a 3600 cl16 ripjaws vs 3200 c16 rgb pro

[gritty meadow]

its your choice.

i would strongly recommend the 3600 cl16 thou

[prisma blade]

how big is the fps difference

[gritty meadow]

not "much" now

[prisma blade]

define much

noticable?

[gritty meadow]

what you are trading imo, is longevity.

[long geyser]

lows I think are noticable?

[prisma blade]

?

whats an imo

[gritty meadow]

"in my opinion"

[prisma blade]

ah

[long geyser]

its been a while since I looked at benchmarks

[prisma blade]

im stuck, im not going to have any rgb except ram and maybe an argb xstrip

i want that "gamer look"

lmao

thanks for you time @gritty meadow

[long geyser]

generally if you want cheap RGB gamer look, only get RGB fans or a strip

[prisma blade]

ah

fans are crazy expensive lol

[long geyser]

not RGB RAM/mobo/SSD/PSU/etc

not really

[prisma blade]

40 for a ll120

ridiculous

[long geyser]

yeah, that's Corsair

[cunning pumice]

Im going non rgb fan

[long geyser]

$45 for a five pack of RGB fans

[prisma blade]

im going arcit p12

[long geyser]

if you know your companies

[prisma blade]

5 pack for $30

[cunning pumice]

I want be quiet pure wings 2

High speed pwm

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome @prisma blade

[prisma blade]

p12 is 200-1800 PWM i believe

[neat estuary]

Got my 4x8gb b-die kit to 3800mhz at cl16 at 1.5v and 1900flck. Not too shabby for 4 sticks.

[jovial flare]

how much did u pay for them

[dark flame]

anyone have any idea why my ram and cpu are performing "way below expectations"?

ignore the 1060 lol, sent my 2080s back

unless you think that that is what is causing them to perform so low

i remember doing a test when i had my 2080s and the 9900k said it was performing lower than it should then too, though

[hollow thorn]

CPU looks fine-ish, if you had bad bin or thermal throttling or something

@dark flame xmp?

[dark flame]

haven't done that yet but was going to try it and see, just wanted to ask to see what you guys thought first

[hollow thorn]

Temps look fine?

[dark flame]

idle on cpu between 25-30 celcius

ram around 28

[hollow thorn]

idle only tells you room temp, what about under load?

[dark flame]

one sec

i let cpu benchmark test run for about 10 mins, ram and cpu got up to around 40c

between 37 and 40

[hollow thorn]

what kind of benchmark

[dark flame]

granted, thats with a 120mm liquid cooler on a 9900k, though im buying a new one soon for it. the temps have never gone over 40 though afaik

prime95

[hollow thorn]

which test

[neat estuary]

@jovial flare I bought 2 kits of 3600 cl16-16-16-36 and threw them together. It’s around a 100$ a kit for good b-die.

[hollow thorn]

anyways temps prob not an issue

[jovial flare]

ah ok

[hollow thorn]

I don't deal with intel boosting/ocing so I dunno about that part

[jovial flare]

thats a rlly good deall @neat estuary

wait

oh i thought u got 2 kits for 100 dolalrs

nvm

hahaha

[neat estuary]

No.

[dark flame]

not really sure which test it was, sorry, lol. i know it was 16 thread test

[hollow thorn]

the reason I asked was that default was blend, and blend isn't anywhere as intensive as smallfft

but shouldn't be a temp issue if you're running around 40c

[faint ferry]

Anyone know which would be better? For just streaming and gaming. But potentially for multi-tasking in the future and as well as recording and editing? 3900x or a i9-9900k?

[warped scroll]

3900X would kill 9900K In productivity

9900K would be better in gaming

Also 9900K has zero upgrade path

So, make your pick. I’d say 3900X since you might be editing in the future, but, not my choice to decide

@faint ferry

[hallow warren]

very important question

should i go ahead and go big on my cpu just in case i wanna upgrade graphics card in the furture or just stick with the 3600x

[fading lynx]

@hallow warren if its for gaming then that cpu wont really hold u back anyway if u decide to upgrade the gpu in the future

[hallow warren]

gaming and streaming

?

[mild jackal]

AM4 motherboard quick reference chart.
https://i.redd.it/2iwdy5wrrly31.png

[vivid pewter]

A little new to pcs, but I heard next gen amd cpus will be announced next month. Just a few question. Will amd keep producing their last gen and will last gen get a price cut?

last gen refering to zen 2

[gritty meadow]

last gen will be produced for a while yet

official price cuts? ... not likely. It is not as if there is any serious competition from intel at the moment

does that answer it for you @vivid pewter ?

[naive pendant]

I'm looking to get a 10700k for my 3080 build. But I heard I should wait a few months for the 4700x because it's going to "thrash the 10700k in all departments". Is that true?

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant only speculations, we won't know until it comes :D

[naive pendant]

True

[rustic locust]

anyone know if the asus rog strix b550
a gaming is a good motherboard

i'm going to use a ryzen 7 3700x

[hollow thorn]

B550 strix is overpriced rn

[rustic locust]

oh

are there any good alternatives

[hollow thorn]

Something more like a B550 pro4 or B550-A Pro at most imo in terms of price

[rustic locust]

thx

[hollow thorn]

More than 140$ for a b550 board doesn't make too much sense to me when x570 phantom gaming 4s is 140$ and x570-p is 150$

[vivid pewter]

@gritty meadow Yes it did. Thank you

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome :)

[naive pendant]

can i get someone to double check my build

to make sure it could fit in my case

I am planning to buy this price drop on the case instead of waiting for cyber monday, just ganna have it on the side

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RCDL8M

[neat estuary]

I assure you it will fit. Maybe a elephant on the side as well

[naive pendant]

aight

idk should i wait, could this drop to 70 bucks lol

its lowest its ever been rn XD

[empty spindle]

Could someone explain the power connections for this mobo
https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-maximus-xii-extr/p/N82E16813119291?&quicklink=true

It has the 24 pin, 2 x 8 pins, and another “EZ Plug”. Where does that ez plug connect to the psu and with what cable?

[hollow thorn]

mans trolling

@empty spindle I believe it's extra power for the board for when you are running multiple GPUs

[empty spindle]

Ok so shouldn’t even need to connect it if I’m just running one GPU?

[hollow thorn]

documentation doesn't say much

[empty spindle]

Yeah the manual leaves a bit to be desired there

[hollow thorn]

and usually an extra connector is for PCIe power for PCIe slots for extra GPUs

[empty spindle]

I’m the kind who would want to connect it just to be sure, but not sure how if I wanted to

[hollow thorn]

Yea I'm gonna keep looking around for a bit in case it's in there somewhere

[empty spindle]

Awesome, thanks

[hollow thorn]

@gritty meadow you think this looks like extra PCIe slot power?
If so, what do you use to connect it with?

yea

interesting

[empty spindle]

Yeah I wish it was a bit more specific and told you to ONLY use it when installing multiple graphics cards. Leaving it open makes me wonder if I might need it for even just one very powerful one, like a rtx 3090

[hollow thorn]

Not unless Nvidia yeeted power standards out the window

[gritty meadow]

the only reason for giving extra power is IF you are going over the spec

last card i can remember that did that was the rx580 ... iirc

[hollow thorn]

I think you said rx470 had a bad rep of pulling up to 120w from slot?

but what connector do you use? only 4 pin I can think of is 4+4 EPS

[empty spindle]

Yeah but every psu I can find only comes with 2 4+4 and this mobo already uses those

[gritty meadow]

2sec, let me open the link

[hollow thorn]

I can link you the manual

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1200/ROG_MAXIMUS_XII_EXTREME/E16774_ROG_MAXIMUS_XII_EXTREME_UM_V3_WEB.pdf

[gritty meadow]

that just looks like molex

[hollow thorn]

Hm?

[gritty meadow]

@empty spindle https://img.av-connection.com/0/AVimg_30796.jpg <- does that look like something that would fit in there?

[main pulsar]

eww, why that connector

[empty spindle]

@gritty meadow I think so but I’m working off the manual at this point too

[main pulsar]

usually boards use a 6 pin pcie

[gritty meadow]

because it can carry a fair deal of juice and it is normally its own rail away from the others

it IS molex @empty spindle

[hollow thorn]

@gritty meadow I got a closer pic

o yea

[gritty meadow]

see the "triangle cuts" on two sides on the "ez-plug"

[hollow thorn]

interesting

do modern PSUs even have an included molex connector?

[gritty meadow]

what brought this question up?

[main pulsar]

yeah they do

[empty spindle]

Yeah that’s my problem. Don’t see one that includes it

[gritty meadow]

(been out of the loop, was in a call)

[hollow thorn]

I'm curious, they're curious too

[main pulsar]

most modular psu cables come with a cable that will have one or two

[hollow thorn]

haven't been bought yet afaik

[empty spindle]

@gritty meadow it was my question. I bought this mobo, it’s on the way but I was combing through the manual and wondering how to connect that or if I even need to

[gritty meadow]

the reason it is there is because of the OC segment that board belongs to

you should not need it

[empty spindle]

Ok, appreciate the help guys

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome :)

[naive pendant]

@naive pendant dont need a high end motherboard at all to have a really good build

[vivid pewter]

Do you guys think zen3 will match or beat their intel counterparts or still be behind (gaming wise)?

[quaint current]

we dont know

[full flame]

Zen3 will do one of those three things 😄

[gentle mauve]

Ok so I have this problem where my system takes half of my amount of ram for hardware reserved. Anyone know why this happens? Looked it up and other users with the GA-AX370 mb seem to have the same problem
But I didn't find any answers so here I am

[jovial flare]

wdym by "hardware reserved"

[main pulsar]

does your cpu have an iGPU?

[long geyser]

I looked into it a fair while ago. It has to do with BIOS or drivers usually. Best to try to update everything.

I didn't fully look into it and never really fixed it at the time. So idk how likely it all is to fix it

[gentle mauve]

Oh ok thanks

wdym by "hardware reserved"
@jovial flare Says so in task manager

does your cpu have an iGPU?
@main pulsar Im unsure but i do know that the motherboard does

And I run from a external gpu anyways because r7 2700 dont work with intergrated gpus

[main pulsar]

yeah, the 2700 doesnt have one

[jovial flare]

dang

[gentle mauve]

Ye I also heard that they discontinued the 2700 not the 2700x

[naive pendant]

Finally got my cpu and memory on the way

[hollow thorn]

they discontinued the 2700?

when?

[gentle mauve]

Not sure but I heard something about that

[hollow thorn]

I had a 2700

never heard anything about 2700 being discontinued

[gentle mauve]

I looked into it a fair while ago. It has to do with BIOS or drivers usually. Best to try to update everything.
@long geyser So I just update my bios to the latest version but that doesn't seem to resolve my problem

[hollow thorn]

reset cmos maybe

Also, I had one day where half my ram was just system reserved, restarted pc and it was usable again

[supple flax]

Alright i got a question. I currently have 2 8gb sticks of Trident Z Neo 3600MHz CL16-19-19-39

didnt mean to hit send yet

i want to upgrade to 32 gb total for MSFS 2020. Should buy a new kit or just buy exactly what I already have? As long as the frequency and timing match exactly (they also sell 16-19-19-36) they should perform just like if they all came together right?

Someone told me that variations between manufacturing batches can make them act weird together

Also, it'd be sick to have all 4 sticks instead of buyin 2 16gb

[main pulsar]

itll be cheaper to just get 2x8

so do that

also you can search based on the memory model number and get the exact same stuff

[twilit olive]

I find it strange that if I keep my processor power management on 80%, I don't hit temps higher then 72 degrees C. But when I set it to 85% the temps max at 86 degrees. How come 5 percent more processor power adds 15 more degrees?

6700 hq btw, so not a new cpu

[topaz reef]

@twilit olive thats just how it scales

each architecture and physical cpu are different

[bitter sandal]

Yo

[gentle mauve]

reset cmos maybe
@hollow thorn Ill try that

[digital kernel]

Anyone got a beep code table for asrock mobo?

[quaint current]

beep beep

2 short    Parity error.
3 short    Main memory read / write test error.
4 short    System timer failure.
5 short    Process error.
6 short    Keyboard controller BAT test error.
7 short    General exception error.
8 short    Display memory error.
9 short    ROM BIOS checksum error.
10 short    CMOS shutdown Read/Write error.
11 short    Cache Memory bad.```

[devout moth]

Rithvl#5842 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[cunning pumice]

?

[digital kernel]

No bad words

[main pulsar]

beep beep lettuce

[tacit hemlock]

Anyone know why my mobo debugging light stays lit on vga even tho i can post

[gritty meadow]

does it keep being lit up?

[tacit hemlock]

yes

doesn'

doesn't turn off until i power off obviously

[gritty meadow]

you are just all kinds of lucky @tacit hemlock

[tacit hemlock]

How wonderful

Any idea what that means?

Or is my motherboard just buggy

[gritty meadow]

it could be that its just a random "i want to light up" bug

it could also mean something is wrong

but, some boards use the VGA led to signal multiple things

what does your mainboard manual say?

[tacit hemlock]

Haven't checked yet

I'll look rn

Seems to only signal my gpu and it says it stays lit until the error is fixed

It also could signify an error if I was using integrated graphics but I'm not

[gritty meadow]

hmm

that is not cool

[tacit hemlock]

Agreed

It didn't use to do this either

[hollow thorn]

Could be something you can take up with customer support, they might know of some common issues

[tacit hemlock]

I'm getting kinda tired of dealing with asus support lol but ya ig I could

[gritty meadow]

sorry mate

you just seem to be pulling all the short straws

[tacit hemlock]

It seems that way

Takes all the fun outta it

[gritty meadow]

aye,

[tacit hemlock]

Wow, same thing happens with a different gpu

Maybe its the slot

[gritty meadow]

try the other pci-e slot?

[tacit hemlock]

Trying rn

Very similar result, except this time, the green post light turned on at the same time as the vga, and then turned off, which leaved only the vga on again :/

[tacit hemlock]

my day wouldn't be complete until i cut myself on a cpu cooler

[fading lynx]

bruh how

[tacit hemlock]

usually when im disconnecting a psu cable, and its really stuck in there, so when I finally get it out, my hand jerked back into the fins of the heat spreader

[lethal glacier]

What’s a good B550 motherboard for no more than $150?

[heady root]

asrock b550 phantom is usually 115

pretty solid budget board

[faint ferry]

Question, for a 3900x is 1.250 volts for 4.2ghz good?

[trim dust]

3200 or 3600? the price difference is $60

[half reef]

So i have a question. Ever since i built my pc. I have never been able to activate the XMP profile for my ram to run at 3000.
Whenever its on it seems to get really unstable.
I have the following
I7 9700k
z370 prime a - II
corsair vengeance 2x8 3000mhz CMK16GX4M2B3000C15

Feel free to DM or Ping me with response

[naive pendant]

hi guys does anyone know why my computer reboots just by tapping the case or my table? or just any shock.

[jovial flare]

that should not be happening... @naive pendant

[naive pendant]

hi guys does anyone know why my computer reboots just by tapping the case or my table? or just any shock.
@naive pendant tighten your cables

[jovial flare]

@half reef you should be able to activate the xmp profile in bios, do you have a screen shot or something that shows that you are not able to activate the profile

and wdym by it gets unstable

does it become slower?

[half reef]

@jovial flare whenever i activate the XMP profile i can boot fine but the system will blue screen and crash

[naive pendant]

that should not be happening... @naive pendant
@jovial flare do you know whats wrong? i just built my pc recently. also i have had the “blue screen of death”recently

[half reef]

@naive pendant are all of your connections plugged in?

[naive pendant]

yeaaa

i was testing the pc today

but tapping it

ad when i tapped it a bit too hard

the top case fan blade snapped

[jovial flare]

@naive pendant sry man, i have no idea what oculd be wrong, could be a variety of things but not sure

idk what else to say but, check all ur connections and make sure theyre plugged in the right places

[warped scroll]

Question, for a 3900x is 1.250 volts for 4.2ghz good?
@faint ferry it’s different for every chip

[half reef]

@naive pendant to me it sounds like something isnt tight and when you tap your case it is coming undone

[naive pendant]

@naive pendant to me it sounds like something isnt tight and when you tap your case it is coming undone
@half reef i checked the wires. the last time i raged i hit my table and the whole computer rebooted

[half reef]

@half reef i checked the wires. the last time i raged i hit my table and the whole computer rebooted
@naive pendant

Is your pc on your desk? Is your gpu fully plugged? Like it doesn't move or anything? Same with you cpu cooler by Chance?

[misty belfry]

so i'm gonna do something pretty rad

and build a linux box with my old i5-2400S

i'm aware of the CPU vulns

but it's cheap and a fun project

i've got a case and a power supply

and if need be an RX 460 2GB

but i don't think the intel graphics will be any slouch for running a basic linux UI

[tepid heart]

Yeah you’ll be good with just the basic intel graphics

also the cpu vulnerability will only be exploited if you are stupid on the internet

other than that you are good

[naive pendant]

Am I vulnerable with a 10700k

Or does it matter

[tepid heart]

It’s only bad if you are dumb on the internet

if you know what you are doing you are ok

[naive pendant]

[tepid heart]

the vulnerabilities won’t be taken advantage of if you don’t go and just trust every sketchy site you visit

[hollow thorn]

No

@naive pendant the vulnerabilities doesn't matter until you start downloading stupid crap

It's not something you can just get hacked by over the internet

It's programs being able to read system memory without being given permission to

[naive pendant]

Well that's the same for any malware
But it seems intel just has more of it

[hollow thorn]

It doesn't really matter for the consumer

That stuff matters for datacenters and corporate data

[naive pendant]

Ah okay thank you

So just another thing red team can poke fun of

That doesn't affect the average consumer

[hollow thorn]

Mhm

[normal iron]

so im getting a new processor for my system. I was going to get a Ryzen 7 3700x, but newegg has a Ryzen 7 2700x for $220. Im going to get am RTX 3070 when they release, would the 2700x be worth it and could handle the GPU or should i spend the extra $100 for the 3700x (im on a fairly tight budget)

[naive pendant]

3700x

cuz the 4th gen ryzen is coming out

also what mobo chip are you getting

[normal iron]

Im planning on getting a B-550F mobo (im pretty new to all this and dont know a whole lot about this stuff)

[naive pendant]

yea then dont get 2700x

i am also getting a b550 f gaming wifi mobo

the 2700x might bottleneck

[normal iron]

ok, thats what i figured but didnt want to accidentally miss a really good deal, thank you!

[naive pendant]

so dont get that

and plus it gonna be 2 gens old

[normal iron]

yeah thats true

[naive pendant]

cuz 4th gen ryzen in coming in a month

[gilded fog]

what's a good step up from an i7-8700? I need it for premiere pro - don't really want to bother with overclocking. Thx

[proud minnow]

Hi everyone, I just checked the compatible memory for my rog strix b550-f gaming wifi motherboard and the largest 4000mhz ddr4 in the qvl is 2x8GB. There is no 2x16GB in the QVL even though g.skill has tridentz and ripjaws v 2x16GB 4000mhz. would those work on the motherboard?

[main pulsar]

@gilded fog depends on the motherboard, but you probably need a newer motherboard to support a newer cpu

so, stepping up from a 6/12 cpu for multithreaded workloads i would suggest getting a Ryzen 9 3900x

if you cant afford that, then you can step down to the 3700x, but idk if adding 2/4 to your cpu is gonna make a big enough difference in your work to make the cost of a new cpu, motherboard, and memory worth it

so, a meaningful and definitely noticeable upgrade would cost you around 650 USD, assuming the rest of your system isnt extremely proprietary

[burnt pivot]

When is the amd 4000 series come out

And how much will it cost

[naive pendant]

oct 8th

and around the same price as 3rd gen

[burnt pivot]

What so I could get the ryzen 7 4700x for like 300

[naive pendant]

ig

but we dont know

but following earlier trends yea

[burnt pivot]

Ig?

[naive pendant]

u could

[burnt pivot]

Yeeeesssssssss

[naive pendant]

they are gonna tell everything on oct 8

[burnt pivot]

Oooohhhh ok 👍

[gilded fog]

@main pulsar yes, thanks. I know I'll need a new system. I can get the 3900x

Would the threadripper be the next step up?

[gritty meadow]

if looking at absolute raw computational cpu power? yes.

is it the right solution for you? that is a completely different topic

[quaint current]

probably 3950x

still on am4 and not threadripper prices for 16c

[gritty meadow]

aye

and related to our other recent talk Nachos, binning will enable some interesting 4xxx chips

[quaint current]

yeah

hope the IF/latency is as good as the 4750g’s

[gritty meadow]

because lets say (just as a theory) that nothing serious changes between the zen2 and zen3 chips. Lets just for fun, imagine that the 4950x has the same cores and all that. BUT it comes in with 10-15% less power leaked/used

that suddenly gives access to a LOT more boosting

[quaint current]

what kinda all core do u think that could do?

[gritty meadow]

and that is just 1 vector

for the completely made up theory above?

[quaint current]

yes for the theory made for fun

[gritty meadow]

well, the 3950x has a boost of 4,7

lets imagine that you could get 4.9 instead

[hollow thorn]

AMD 5ghz time?

[gritty meadow]

but on way more cores

and yes, i know, you asked for all core

[quaint current]

honestly i could see 4.9 or 8 boost on a 4000 chip

[gritty meadow]

aye, that part is quite likely

BUT

the 3950x is a bit of a special kid in that class

[quaint current]

5ghz 16 cores or bust

[gritty meadow]

because that is a LOT of transistors, in NOT a lot of space

[quaint current]

true

[mild jackal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_mUZgqUjR4

[misty belfry]

oh?

OwO what's this

finland.m4v

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant for a ryzen build, the Ripjaw CL16's

[gilded fog]

So 3900x or 3950x for Premiere Pro as an upgrade from my i7-8700? Thx!!!

[gritty meadow]

if you have the money AND structure (in the rest of your components) then the 3950x is the faster one.

[gilded fog]

ok! And yes I'm starting over w/a new build.

[grave ore]

Planning on making an upgraded rig later this year, was gonna ask y'all if I should go for a ryzen 5 or 7 when getting a setup with the next rtx 3000 series cards

Currently I'm just sitting with an Intel i7-2600 with a GTX 1660

[gritty meadow]

ask when you are closer to buying @grave ore

[dark flame]

Conference soon

So wait on that, I’d say

[grave ore]

Alright cool, thanks guys

[dark flame]

Lots of things changing really quickly lol

[gritty meadow]

see you later in the year :)

[grave ore]

I've noticed lol

I'm liking the trend of prices dropping though

That's good for me

[serene rain]

seeking advice; is ASUS ROG Maximus XII Hero Z490 MB compatible with G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Intel XMP 2.0 Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C18Q-128GTZR

[gritty meadow]

technically? yes.

[serene rain]

thanks

[gritty meadow]

you are welcome :)

[naive pendant]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-makes-it-official-eight-core-tiger-lake-chips-coming

Idk what any of this means just saw an article

Idk if this is good if bad lol

[charred venture]

improvements in laptop chips

afaik amd still has better values in laptops

[tepid heart]

yeah while intel is good and all there is definitely going to be more heat than amd because of nanometers

[hollow thorn]

We'll have to see benchmarks

[tepid heart]

lmao intel really outdid themselves with cherry picking benchmarks

also advertising the hell out of amd ryzen chips

[grim fox]

Woah Nvidia bought ARM

[hollow thorn]

They did now?

thought it was just rumor/planning

[quaint current]

dang that was fast

i read they were thinking about it earlier today

[hollow thorn]

https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/09/14/nvidia-to-buy-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion.html?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2020%2F09%2F14%2Fnvidia-to-buy-arm-holdings-from-softbank-for-40-billion.html

[naive pendant]

There is this piece in with the screws for my new MB, and I have no idea what it is for.

[tepid heart]

do you have any pictures?

[naive pendant]

Trying to find one

Which is proving to be more difficult than I had anticipated. Was hoping to not have to dig it out of the box.

Did just come to the realization that I'm missing two sata cables, two velcro cable ties and the g connector though.

[hollow thorn]

E

[tepid heart]

I think that’s for a PCIe bracket, but not sure.

[naive pendant]

Just never seen one before, and there's no reference to it anywhere in the manual. The smaller hole is threaded.

[neat cliff]

are the b450m pro4 on newegg ryzen 3000 ready?

[naive pendant]

most boards yea

[gritty meadow]

@neat cliff https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M Pro4/#CPU <- the bios that supports the non-XT versions of the Ryzen 3000 chips is P3.30, which was released in late may of 2019.

So IF their stock is newer than that. Then yes.

But you would have to ask them about that.

[neat cliff]

oh okay thanks

[gritty meadow]

you are very welcome :)

[vocal spire]

Anyone have motherboard recommendations for a i5 9600k build

[mild jackal]

<$150 Asus anything

[gritty meadow]

raw speed.

look at the numbers.

@naive pendant

[hollow basin]

anyone know why putting two 16gb sticks in the first two slots works fine, but trying to put them in the correct slots for dual channel (2nd and 4th slots) results in no post

[quaint current]

ram slots could be bad

[hollow basin]

apparently they are quad channel. is that a problem

yeah, I suppose I should test the 3rd and 4th slots individually

[gritty meadow]

mainboard model @hollow basin

[hollow basin]

Aorus Pro B550M

gigabyte

[gritty meadow]

lets label your sticks A and B

have you tried installing them both A+B and B+A order in the correct ram slots @hollow basin ?

and have you got the option of trying the ram in a different machine?

[hollow basin]

nope, I've only got one machine that I can test with

I think I tried every combination of slots at first and the first two were the only ones I could get it to boot with so I just settled for that for a while

[gritty meadow]

you using the stock cooler on the cpu?

[hollow basin]

but now I wanted to try to get dual channel working, so I've tried it again and the first two slots is the only combination that works

yup. the stock 3600 one

[gritty meadow]

hm, that one should not have mounting pressure problems

the memory controller is ON the cpu, hence why "uneven" mounting pressure can matter

[hollow basin]

yeah, I read something about having the cooler on too tight

[gritty meadow]

both, too tight, too loose, etc etc

i would say it is worth giving it a try

[hollow basin]

yeah, I just screwed the screws in until they got a little hard to turn and stopped

I assumed it was foolproof

[gritty meadow]

remove the cooler, then pull the cpu out of the socket

put it back in, then remount the cooler

[hollow basin]

ok. I'll try that eventually. I don't really feel like it because I had problems when I first installed the cpu, it apparently wasn't in all the way so nothing was happening when I hit the power button

at one point I took the cooler off and the cpu was stuck to it

[gritty meadow]

lesson for you: NEVER pull on the cooler as the first thing. ALWAYS twist

[hollow basin]

ok. that makes sense

[charred venture]

dont people say heat up first?

like hair dryer or smth

[hollow thorn]

Straight up pulling is worst case broke pins/bent pins, best case you have a cpu stuck on a cooler and it's really hard to take off

[gritty meadow]

@charred venture twist works just as well

the only place heat is needed is IF you are dealing with thermalpaste glue

[charred venture]

yeah i accidentally broke off the pins of an athlon a while ago trying to pull it

that wasn't very fun

[hollow thorn]

Rip cpu

[quaint current]

it wont really hurt to run a stress test and heat it up but it should be fine without it

[hollow basin]

ok, I just tried both sticks individually in slots 3 and 4 and neither of them worked in either one

updated the bios beforehand too

I guess I'll try the cpu thing now

I'm doubting this is gonna make a difference for some reason

how tight am I supposed to tighten the screws then when I put it back on

[drowsy nymph]

RAM issues are so confusing some times.

So many variables.

[hollow basin]

wow, that actually worked

I'll never doubt Naed again

[drowsy nymph]

Naed is Naed.

[gritty meadow]

@hollow basin happy to hear it worked :)

[misty belfry]

a friend has speculated that RAM costs are about to go up a lot soon. is there any truth to this? can someone who knows something confirm?

[gritty meadow]

last i looked, it was the opposite

[misty belfry]

as i thought

i don't understand why this friend speculates in this way

[gritty meadow]

not a massive "down", but same or slightly down

[misty belfry]

i don't want to buy RAM yet because my 2400 isn't actually gonna bottleneck even my new GPU

so, i don't care about it until i want 32GB

i hate to say "bottleneck" lol

only way to describe it. it happens with a 2080 Ti but it doesn't happen with the 2060 or 5600 XT i'll be buying

[twilit violet]

ok so, I have this intel Xeon e7-8880 v3 (lga2011) and I can't seem to find a motherboard that would work, there are some that I have found but they turn out to have an incompatible chipset or have a lga2011-v3. does anyone know of a compatible board?

[main pulsar]

wdym incompatible chipset?

its not the chipset you have to worry about its the specific motherboard cpu support list

the consumer 2011-v3 socket is x99. literally, any x99 motherboard with support for the typical e3-e5 xeons should support this one

[twilit violet]

doing research, I found that the lga 2011 and 2011 v3 are different. On Intel's website it says that the e7-8880 v3 is supported by the normal lga 2011

[main pulsar]

yes, however thats actually wrong

it says "2011" but they really mean the the second revision of the 2011 socket

2011, 2011-1, and 2011-3 are the three revisions

its a 2011-1, which is electrically compatible with 2011-3

this is just from what i can remember from when i researched it last year

[twilit violet]

so it doesn't matter if it's a lga 2011 v3 or normal 2011 is what you're saying

[main pulsar]

so i may have to go back and refresh my memory

no, it does matter

theres 2011, which is sandy and ivy bridge E, EP, and EX

and 2011-1/2011-3, which are basically the same, running haswell EP and EX

i think theres a Haswell E as well

idr

[twilit violet]

ok, got it

[gritty meadow]

the main thing for you to check, is the actual support list of a given mainboard

just like SassyFish said earlier :)

[main pulsar]

the specific problem is that E7 v3 and v4 are not supported by any consumer motherboard

well, "supported"

[gritty meadow]

yes, ofc its not supported on a consumer board

its a server cpu.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/84683/intel-xeon-processor-e7-8880-v3-45m-cache-2-30-ghz.html

[main pulsar]

well, i mean yeah, but E3 and E5 are supported

[gritty meadow]

@twilit violet where/how did you end up with that cpu?

[twilit violet]

my cousin who works at Avnet gave it to me with a 32gb stick of ecc ram

[gritty meadow]

ah

because that one is not normally something you see in the wild

[twilit violet]

no, customer price would be $5000+ too

[gritty meadow]

no, customer price, not consumer

big difference :)

that specific model is the 8 socket one

[main pulsar]

ok, i think ive got a grasp on it now.
E3 and E5 are basically socketed according to their architecture, but all E7 v2, v3, and v4 are all 2011-1

thanks intel

[gritty meadow]

https://www.supermicro.com/CDS_Image/uploads/imagecache/600px_wide/intel_motherboard_active/x10qbi.jpg <- picture of a quad socket board for it.

its not supposed to make sense, i thought you had figured that out by now @main pulsar :)

[main pulsar]

so in conclusion, your E7 is a nice rock

unless you wanna buy 3 or 7 more along with a board such as naed pictured

and run linux or ESXi lol

[gritty meadow]

@twilit violet try and see if you can ply your cousin with some alcohol and get him to cough up a mainboard too

because from what i see, there is only 1, single socket board, and thats a blade server board with custom connectors

[twilit violet]

got it, I'll see if i can get one from him

[gritty meadow]

let me show you one of the single socket boards for that cpu @twilit violet

https://www.supermicro.com/CDS_Image/uploads/imagecache/600px_wide/intel_motherboard_active/x10obi-cpu_top_small.gif

[midnight pollen]

[gritty meadow]

@main pulsar above might be of technical interest to you :)

special one just for you @midnight pollen

https://www.supermicro.com/CDS_Image/uploads/imagecache/600px_wide/intel_motherboard_active/x10qbl-4ct.jpg

[midnight pollen]

[main pulsar]

lol well at least the second board is usable on its own

[gritty meadow]

well .....

kinda

if you put down the 2k for it that is

[main pulsar]

heh

[gritty meadow]

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X10QBL-4

[main pulsar]

i guess the QPI link bus goes out the back connectors on the first board?

[gritty meadow]

aye

[main pulsar]

i wonder if the chassis the blades slide into only support up to 8 blades

[gritty meadow]

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/7U/7088/SYS-7088B-TR4FT.cfm

its for something like that

[main pulsar]

or if they have some magic in the backplane lmao

[gritty meadow]

oh there is "magic" alright

[main pulsar]

oh yeah, 8 blades

[gritty meadow]

welcome to the "fun" stuff :)

check the different views

[main pulsar]

ive never actually seen a blade system where each blade is a part of the whole machine

i always thought it was a cluster of individual machines

[gritty meadow]

sometimes they are

sometimes its like this

[main pulsar]

this does make way more sense than trying to cram 8 sockets onto a single board

[gritty meadow]

:)

[main pulsar]

especially when you consider the increased space for both memory capacity and pcie devices

[gritty meadow]

we "generally" stop at 4 sockets per board

and that has gone down as core density per socket has gone up

[jovial flare]

wait do you work at supermicro

[gritty meadow]

no

[jovial flare]

oh nvm

[gritty meadow]

the "we" was to give the context of the "industry at large"

[jovial flare]

ah ok

cool

cause i have a family member who works IT in supermicro

[gritty meadow]

@main pulsar https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X11QPL here is a more modern board

ram sockets with more ram sockets basically

[young cloak]

what ram should i pair with the 3970x?

[gritty meadow]

3200, 4 identical sticks

basically, have a look at what your mainboards QVL has on it. Go with that for simplicity. @young cloak

[quaint current]

wonder what kinda weird looking server boards are out there

like those look pretty funky ngl

[gritty meadow]

look up some of the google containers and the facebook boxes

[mild jackal]

so in conclusion, your E7 is a nice rock
Nice paperweight, worth maybe $50 on ebay, but any board/case/psu setup for it will be around $1k unless you get lucky.

Would be a nice winter space heater

[naive pendant]

What ram should I get? I plan on getting a ryzen 9, and a 3080.

I also dont know which mother board is neccesary, because i dont think my b450 will cut it

[mild jackal]

3600 mhz cl16 or better

[topaz reef]

@gritty meadow what socket is that?

[gritty meadow]

@topaz reef for which one?

[topaz reef]

https://www.supermicro.com/CDS_Image/uploads/imagecache/600px_wide/intel_motherboard_active/x10qbl-4ct.jpg

oh i just realized its scalable

[gritty meadow]

2011-v3

well, v3/v4 really

[topaz reef]

thats a big boi

[gritty meadow]

correct

[tepid heart]

wow that is a huge board

would probably need two people to put it in a server rack

[topaz reef]

im trying to find the link to crays epyc system with 16K cores in a single rack

each 1u has 6 64core cpu

[tepid heart]

still though damn

doesn’t threadripper support multi cpu boards or no

[topaz reef]

nah just sp3

[tepid heart]

oof

threadripper is still a great choice for like a cheap web server

because since web servers don’t need a whole lot of ram and all

[gritty meadow]

TR = workstation chip

if you want server chips. you go epyc

[topaz reef]

too bad SM didnt release any atx rome dp boards

[gritty meadow]

you are aware that Rome is a 8 channel cpu right?

16 ram sockets and atx does not really "fit" together all that well :)

[topaz reef]

yeah i figured it would have been eeatx

[gritty meadow]

eh, not really either

https://gzhls.at/i/27/42/1642742-n0.jpg

would not really call that "atx-anything"

the above is this one https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/H11DSU-iN

[tepid heart]

Jesus

what are those like small connecting things that look like old pci slots

[quaint current]

that thing is shaped after a T

[tepid heart]

are those like board links

[gritty meadow]

custom pci-e slots @tepid heart

[tepid heart]

damn that’s cool

[gritty meadow]

PCI-Express
WIO:
1 PCI-E 3.0 x32 Left Riser Slot
1 PCI-E 3.0 x16 Right Riser Slot
Ultra:
1 PCI-E 3.0 x40 Far Right Riser Slot

[tepid heart]

oh they didn’t add pcie 4.0 wide bus support yet?

[gritty meadow]

for that architecture? no

here is a server that uses that board

https://www.supermicro.com/a_images/products/views/2023US-TR4_rear.jpg

see the description

and start counting pci-e lanes

[tepid heart]

oooh okay I see

not enough lanes

to have higher bandwidth or a pcie controller that isn’t fast enough for 4.0 yet

[topaz reef]

Those A+ servers you get the proprietary boards with arnt cheap either

the 4U are around 4.5K to start with

[tepid heart]

I know server board are never cheap unless you go old generation

[mild jackal]

Don't buy an A+ board to run standalone, lol

I know server board are never cheap unless you go old generation
Kinda ya, dual/quad g34 is reasonably cheap rn

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-H8QG6-F-Motherboard-with-Shield-and-Qty-4-AMD-Opteron-6134-CPU-G34/154074158167

[rustic locust]

is corsair lpx 16gb ram compatible with ryzen

[buoyant relic]

Would the 3700x be a good buy atm or should I wait a little to see if the prices go down?

[verbal atlas]

@buoyant relic its going to be a newegg daily deal tomorrow, and if its like the 2700x today, it could drop $100

im going for it tomorrow if that helps!

[topaz reef]

@rustic locust yeah

@buoyant relic if you can wait 2-3 months the 4000 series should be out

3700x is plenty for most tho tbh

[buoyant relic]

Alright cool thanks the both of you.
@topaz reef @verbal atlas

[drowsy nymph]

Yes new processors are close.

[verbal atlas]

id like to wait for the 4000 series to come out which would probably drop the prices of current gen but i dont wanna wait lol

[gritty patio]

just wait lmao

saw the 3600 for $220

i paid $180

[umbral fog]

i mean if it is that crazy of a drop for deals then 3700x isnt bad

like if a new 3700x drops to below 260 i wouldn't consider that a bad deal

[trim dust]

does anyone have experience with this mobo?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/43BTwP/gigabyte-b450-aorus-pro-wifi-rev-10-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-aorus-pro-wifi-rev-10

[umbral fog]

i don't have personal experience but what are you planning to do with it

like if you're trying to get some heavier overclocks i'd probably advise against it

but it should handle even the higher end chips ok

but if you have the money for better cpus you can probably afford to spend a bit more on a mobo

[verbal atlas]

correct me if im wrong but 450 boards won't be supported in future generations, meaning if you wanna upgrade cpu again you'll have to upgrade the board

[umbral fog]

am4 is probably going away in a year or two anyway

most b450s should be getting zen 3 support

that said i'd personally go b550

unless there is a really nice b450 board that has excellent features

[gritty meadow]

there is the option for the manufacturers to update the bios on the 450 chipset with support for zen 3 when that time comes. IT is however a bit of a cluster in regards to how it would actually work. So dont expect the manufacturers to do it willingly

[umbral fog]

though a lot of buyers will definitely rip in to the manufacturers if they don't

again i'd probably go b550

good amount of fair priced b550 boards out

[gritty meadow]

nah, a lot of people that think that they understand what the tech journos are talking about will complain. But that is about it

[umbral fog]

tbh if the 3700x deal tomorrow is decent i'll probably go for that

zen 3 will probably be a decent amount better

[lethal glacier]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-b550-a-gaming/p/N82E16813119349?Description=ROG STRIX B550-A &cm_re=ROG_STRIX B550-A -_-13-119-349-_-Product
Thoughts on this mobo?

[umbral fog]

not a fan of the colors myself, but the board itself looks ok

[steel zodiac]

Anybody know if the msi mpg x570 gaming edge mobo supports nvme? Doesn't specify on newegg

[gritty meadow]

@steel zodiac always look up details on the manufacturers page

never trust a sellers site to have correct info

[hollow thorn]

And what do you mean by "Support NVMe?", Do you mean by support a M.2 NVMe drive?

[steel zodiac]

Yeah

[dark flame]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X570-GAMING-PLUS

Yes, I’m sure it does

[gritty meadow]

you can scratch the "pretty sure" part of that @dark flame

[hollow thorn]

How many drives are you looking to use?

[steel zodiac]

Nvm I got it

[dark flame]

[naive pendant]

for an intel 10th gen gaming setup, should i go for cl15 3000mhz or cl16 3200mhz?

or even 3600?

[warped scroll]

intel doesnt need fast memory

and anything over 2400MHz or something is considered overclocking and voids your CPU and motherboard's warranty

(only on intel)

[naive pendant]

well but i probably should get atleast 3000 right

i see differences in fps in benchmarks

[warped scroll]

do what you want

[naive pendant]

uhh

what do most people get

[warped scroll]

check out builds on pcpp or something

[naive pendant]

ok ill do that or something

thx

[warped scroll]

again, it voids warranty, so if i had intel im not going over 2400MHz

but your choice

yw

[naive pendant]

hmm alright

figured most people just do xmp anyway

[sterile sphinx]

If I get 3200 RAM, how do I know if my computer will actually run it that fast?

[midnight pollen]

task manager i guess

can set in bios

[mellow summit]

Hey guys! I'm torn between these two mobo's. I heard great things about the ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (WiFi 6), but it's just overpriced atm.

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gam-wif/p/N82E16813119311

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4-ac/p/N82E16813157936?Item=N82E16813157936

I'm also torn between these two memory sticks. I do have a Corsair headset, and keyboard. So the matching RGB lights would be nice.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232906?Item=N82E16820232906

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236606?Item=N82E16820236606

[gritty meadow]

re: ram: IF you want to value looks over performance. That is your choice.

re: mainboard: we dont know enough about your intended use case for us to answer that.