cpus-mobo-and-memory

[hollow thorn]

heres the one I'm talking about
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b450-aorus-pro-wifi/p/N82E16813145082

[midnight pollen]

the very cheapest b450 i've seen is like 70 but I don't recommend it

[hollow thorn]

Yea

But thats really weird cheapest you see is 170

[fathom grail]

oh i have no idea why this wasn't popping up let me look at it

oh it doesn't support 3rd gen

[hollow thorn]

might want to just use no restrictions

Um yes it does

[fathom grail]

first line of description is "supports AMD 1st & 2nd generation Ryzen:

maybe i'm reading that wrong?

[long geyser]

first line is actually

[hollow thorn]

Gigabyte's website :

Hei had the same idea eh

[long geyser]

ye

[fathom grail]

oh i was just going by what's in the newegg description lol

[hollow thorn]

Newegg/Amazon descriptions don't get updated too often lol

[fathom grail]

that's what i was seeing

[hollow thorn]

fair enough

but anyways if you were using pcpartpicker

too many restrictions makes it funky

[fathom grail]

oh i haven't used that site in a long time haha

any recs on RAM? not really sure what made you say those were specifically for overclocking

or why that's a bad thing

[hollow thorn]

@fathom grail It's not bad, it's just expensive for the tighter timings. For example, 2x8gb of 3600mhz cl16 ram is 85$

[fathom grail]

so i don't really need something with that low of timing?

like 16-18-18-38 would be ok?

[midnight pollen]

cl16 is good yes

[fathom grail]

ok limiting search

[hollow thorn]

Yes

[fathom grail]

i keep getting this on all my mobo pairings, is that a big deal or should i just ignore it

[hollow thorn]

Just ignore it

Well check the manufacturer page for whatever mobo it is @fathom grail

for the aorus pro wifi, Gigabyte says they're 3rd gen ready.

so that board is fine

[fathom grail]

gotcha i just hate seeing warnings haha

[kindred galleon]

Hey guys can you put registered ecc ram in a non ecc board

[midnight pollen]

I believe the mobo and cpu need to be ECC, I could be wrong tho

[kindred galleon]

Yeah if one of them isn't ECC then it will most likely just run without ECC but would that also be the case if you're putting registered ECC ram in a non ECC board?

Because registered ram seems really different than non registered

[karmic hearth]

hi

[vast sonnet]

I was looking at cpu benchmarks and I noticed that the Ryzen 9 3900x has 12 cores and 24 threads whereas the intel i7-10700k has only 8 cores and 16 threads. So why does the intel core run faster than the amd one?
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-9-3900X-vs-Intel-Core-i7-10700K/4044vs4070

[gritty meadow]

simple or complex answer @vast sonnet ?

[vast sonnet]

The more info the better.

[gritty meadow]

the simple answer is the consumer answer

the other is .... not ... consumer friendly

[vast sonnet]

as I am trying to get into IT stuff I'd like the not so consumer friendly stuff

[gritty meadow]

differences in stages in the pipline and the knock-on effect that has for the clock speed and power limits for the rest of the cpu die

[long geyser]

Lets get comparisons to be a little bit closer in terms of architecture. What do you think would be going on here?

[hollow thorn]

Also, UB is just

UB

[gritty meadow]

@long geyser you might be missing the point of what he is asking about

[long geyser]

He's asking why one runs faster. Showing that it's mainly single core based

Eliminating variables between AMD vs Intel an just simply make it large core vs small core count

with different clocks

[gritty meadow]

except that doesnt answer it

because its not "just" clocks

its not "just" ipc

its not "just" power

[hollow thorn]

Clocks and ipc makes up most of the difference.

[vast sonnet]

I've checked other stuff and it seems that its the case everywhere. I feel like amd should be ahead more since the more cores would make it able to do tasks faster

I get single core

[gritty meadow]

in the simple answer context? yes.

[hollow thorn]

Userbenchmark does not measure speed in say video editing

[long geyser]

With other workloads you can get Intel optimized stuff. But rn it's 99% IPC+Clocks as it's UB

[hollow thorn]

The more cores does do tasks faster. Except Userbenchmark just doesn't show performance in tasks that utilize all the cores @vast sonnet

[vast sonnet]

hmm. so technically in most cases it would be faster (considering all cores are used).

[gritty meadow]

@vast sonnet before your question can be answered. proper context for you question needs to be figured out

are you asking "why is X faster than Y" in the context of Userbenchmark scores? or are you asking in the context of architectural differences

[vast sonnet]

In benchmark standards having more cores should in my mind give it a higher score.

[gritty meadow]

so, you are asking in the context of UB scores?

[vast sonnet]

Sure

[gritty meadow]

okay, then its of no interest to me

[vast sonnet]

Well what about gaming and gpu stuff

[hollow thorn]

If you're focused on pure gaming performance, Userbenchmark can tell you that.

Because gaming does not use all cores efficiently

Until games become more efficient, and use up more cores, single core performance is going to matter the most for gaming.

[naive pendant]

Hey good day or night to all I have a couple or one question. I'm very new to pc building and ordered my first part to my build and want to know this one thing. M2 supports data 3 as well NVME?

Sata3*

[gritty meadow]

depending on the port type, yes

[hollow thorn]

Depends on the motherboard. M.2 is just the size of the slot, different motherboards support different standards.

[gritty meadow]

mainboard model? and ssd model?

[iron burrow]

Can you help me guys? #old-cooling

[naive pendant]

So in terms of buying a mobo. Specs should say sata3 / NVME?

[gritty meadow]

@iron burrow dont spam your question in different channels.

[iron burrow]

@gritty meadow oki

[hollow thorn]

Well, lemme just grab an example

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant it will say m or b key

[long geyser]

Took me a bit to find. But yeah, basically large multi core perf doesnt matter. Boost clocks for Intel slowly go down as more cores get used. So say base is 4GHz and boost is 4.5GHz, that's for single core. If half of cores are used it'd be say at 4.25GHz (dont think it usually scales like this, but example)

[gritty meadow]

but in general, there will always be 1 slot that supports "everything"

[hollow thorn]

This is the spec sheet for my PC. As you can see, M.2_1 supports Sata and Nvme, but M.2_2 does not support sata.

[naive pendant]

So it's just finding a mobo that's dose it all?

[hollow thorn]

Most motherboards have a M.2_1 that supports both Nvme and Sata

[naive pendant]

I see, Team Group MS30 M.2 2280 256GB SATA III is what I ordered

[vast sonnet]

@long geyser so gaming wise single core performance, but for something that would use all cores like video editing/rendering would be multi-core.

[gritty meadow]

and what mainboard are you planning to use it in @naive pendant ?

[hollow thorn]

Well... I'd rather suggest against that particular drive whenever possible...

[naive pendant]

@gritty meadow haven't decided yet

@hollow thorn I'm scared now

[gritty meadow]

i would STRONGLY suggest that you save up money, and buy your parts very close together

[hollow thorn]

I would also suggest you switch to a different drive if possible. It's dramless and loses performance very quickly.

[long geyser]

@vast sonnet Old games, single core perf. New games... not so much. Lows suffer sometimes on CPUs with less then 12 threads and a lot with less then 8 threads

[naive pendant]

@hollow thorn and that would be one of those big brand name drives right?

[vast sonnet]

Huh. Well thanks for answering. That makes sense.

[hollow thorn]

I have that drive. It's now very slow.

Well not necessarily

You just have to research the drives

[naive pendant]

MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard

I'm drolling over this

[hollow thorn]

That motherboard is fine.

[naive pendant]

I pretty much have the know how for everything else. Just the m2 NVME drama I can't be bothered with. The last time I had anything to do with pc was in the era we're u had to plug in ce drives n floppies

[hollow thorn]

If you want a fast NVMe drive with dram, Silicon power a80 is a good cheap-ish drive.

Well, it's the same now, except the quality of the drives can really differ.

[naive pendant]

I'll give the a look

That*

[hollow thorn]

But anyways, this spreadsheet gives you most SSDs and a bunch of info on them
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0

[naive pendant]

Thank you sir.

@gritty meadow thanks for your input also.

[hollow thorn]

Oh, just a warning, the MSI b450 tomahawk max only has 1 m.2 slot, when many others have 2 m.2 slots.

While it's a good board, there can be better alternatives.

[naive pendant]

For now (I'm sure I'll learn painfully) I'm just doing a low kinda-ish budget build

[long geyser]

Also Tomahawk has a poor sound chip for the price

[naive pendant]

Then I'll go from there

Sigh guessing it's hands on experience for you guys?

[long geyser]

no hands on for me

just looked into hardware specs of mobos is about it

[naive pendant]

Any suggestions on cheap boards (low budget)

[long geyser]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y3prxr/asus-tuf-b450m-pro-gaming-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-b450m-pro-gaming

Two M2 slots and a good sound chip

[naive pendant]

I'm not expecting high quality for the money I planned on spending. Just trying to get back up to date with what's going on

[gritty meadow]

that board, when compared to all the other boards remotely close in price, is silly good value

[long geyser]

TUF Pro

he means

[gritty meadow]

and the tomahawk is the opposite of that

[naive pendant]

Tomahawk sounds so awesome.

[gritty meadow]

thats all that is good for 99.99% of consumers about that board @naive pendant

[long geyser]

The actual specs of it for the price tho... Just arent

[naive pendant]

And it's cheaper. Again thank you guys.

Would have wasted money in your opinions

[gritty meadow]

what you have to keep in mind is that stock jumps around on the Pro Gaming

so, please have some patience

it will be back in stock, but yeah :)

[long geyser]

It does a bit. But I find it's like every 2 - 3 weeks or smth it goes out for 1 - 1.5 weeks

[naive pendant]

Well I'm into gaming. Just not a pro level more of a time burner. If you get what I'm saying

[long geyser]

basically same

[naive pendant]

Supports up to 3rd gen ryzen

I'm buying this rn

Another question. I've seen utube vids were ppl have dual GPU? What's the pros n cons in it

From my understanding is the 1 slot in 16x then 2 GPU splits to 8x what is the real benefits of that?

[hollow thorn]

@naive pendant basically, for the usual person, dual GPU or multi-gpu is useless. Even when it is supported, it would be something like 50% more performance for double the price. But nowadays games and programs are all dropping SLI and Crossfire support.

SLI is how Nvidia does dual-GPU, Crossfire is how AMD does it.

[naive pendant]

Hence why I've seen some boards with 1 slot

Anyways thanks for the info guys I'm gonna go hunt for a cpu

[polar pond]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16820232731 this any good?

or should i just get the black version instead

[tranquil wolf]

@polar pond that's a good set of RAM IMO, color is dependent on aesthetics, i did go w/ a set of the black for my build https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232091

[polar pond]

k

[polar pond]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZGDJ7P/ what about this one?

[naive pendant]

my pc doesnt work:( it turns on for a split second and then turns back off

[tacit hemlock]

Try to turn it completely off, disconnect the psu and turn the little switch off. Then reset the cmos

[naive pendant]

ok

its just taking out the battery right?

[tacit hemlock]

Yep

[naive pendant]

for how long

ok ima put it back in and turn it on

[tacit hemlock]

Ya it doesn't need to be out for a long time

[naive pendant]

same problem still

still does the same thing

[tacit hemlock]

Hmm

Is this a new build?

[naive pendant]

no

[tacit hemlock]

So I assume it had been able to boot before then right?

[naive pendant]

yes

it was working fine yesterday

i dont understand

[tacit hemlock]

And have you done anything to it since yesterday, as I updating drivers, bios, or chipset, or anything of the sort?

[naive pendant]

oc'ed to 4 ghz

[tacit hemlock]

Well that might be it then. Was it posting since you oc'ed to 4ghz?

[naive pendant]

yep

[tacit hemlock]

Hmm

[naive pendant]

i was playing games on the 4ghz

[tacit hemlock]

I'm not sure then because resetting the cmos should reset the overclock iirc. So my only guess is that you had too much voltage on that overclock and it fried it somehow

Someone else who is a more experienced overclocker here might have a better idea tho

[hollow thorn]

Try reset cmos again but leave the battery out for like 5-6min

[naive pendant]

mk

[hollow thorn]

Make sure power supply is off

[tacit hemlock]

Ya he only did it for like 1 minute last time

[hollow thorn]

It's hard to fry a chip unless you're running like 1.5v

[naive pendant]

1.4

[hollow thorn]

Exactly

It prob didn't fry

(don't do 1.4 next time though, anything above 1.35 usually starts deteriorating the chip)

[naive pendant]

alright

do i put the battery back in

[tacit hemlock]

No wait 5 min

[hollow thorn]

Yea wait 5 min

That was like 30sec

[naive pendant]

i mean i dont understand

when i unplug

my cpu power cables

it turns on

but

it says the cpu is the problem

but is it really or does it not hav epower

[hollow thorn]

Wait why is your cpu power unplugged

[tacit hemlock]

Yes why

[naive pendant]

i unplugged all of the cables and then plugged it back in

cus the same problem was happening

and no fix

[hollow thorn]

CPU does get SOME power from the socket, not enough, but some.

[naive pendant]

is it my cpu?

[tacit hemlock]

It could be, that's what we're trying to determine

[hollow thorn]

So all the cables are back in the right place..?

[naive pendant]

yep

[hollow thorn]

Double checked?

[naive pendant]

let me check rn

[tacit hemlock]

Is the battery still out?

[naive pendant]

yes

[tacit hemlock]

Ok good

[naive pendant]

everythings plugged in as well

[tacit hemlock]

Ok

Now just wait 2 more minutes to put the battery in

[naive pendant]

ok now?

[hollow thorn]

Go ahead

[naive pendant]

ok

i put it back in

now what

[hollow thorn]

Try to boot

[naive pendant]

turns on

dont boot tho

it says

on the easy debug led

it says its the cpu

[tacit hemlock]

Hmmm

[naive pendant]

every fan spinning

except

the one case fan

in the back

[hollow thorn]

Check the cables on it

[naive pendant]

plugged in

its plugged into the motherboard

[hollow thorn]

Weird

[naive pendant]

is it the motherboard?

[hollow thorn]

Check CPU power first

Let's try to get it to boot

[naive pendant]

its plugged in

it does the same thing when i boot it with the cpu power cables unplugged

[tacit hemlock]

Is it a fully modular psu?

And if so could you of disconnected it back there?

[naive pendant]

no

its not modular

500w evga 80 plus

[tacit hemlock]

Eh it was a long shot

Ok

[naive pendant]

idk what to do then

[tacit hemlock]

So I'm not entirely sure myself. But there's a lot of techies here so we'll see if someone else has an idea.

I would assume you don't have another cpu to try right?

[naive pendant]

well

i have my brothers cpu

but

i dont have extra thermal paste

[hollow thorn]

Might be good to wait for someone like @gritty meadow

[tacit hemlock]

Ok no sense in doing that then

Yes thats sound good mr1 lol

[naive pendant]

i could try

but

[tacit hemlock]

I was just about to ping him

[naive pendant]

it probably wouldnt do anything

[tacit hemlock]

No, don't try to switch the cpus

[naive pendant]

i had some

i put it in a box

my mom threw it away thinking it was tash

trash

so now i have no thermal paste

[tacit hemlock]

If you dont mind waiting, naed should be able to put some insight into this

Oof

[naive pendant]

😦

[hollow thorn]

Well you can start it up without thermal paste, but don't run it for a long time.

[naive pendant]

but

if i take out my brothers

cpu

he wont have thermal paste

so he couldnt play

i keep all my boxes

my mom throws them away

i dont have the cpu brackets

to mount

the cpu coolers like the ones on the ryzen 7

[hollow thorn]

Nvm then

[naive pendant]

i dont know what to do then

other than to

ask my dad

for a new motherboard

and cpu

i doubt hes going to get me

but

[hollow thorn]

Buy some thermal paste I guess, MX-4 or NT-H2

Just wait a bit till someone who knows stuff helps ya

Maybe @mild jackal ?

[mild jackal]

What's the question?

[naive pendant]

my pc doesnt boot turns off for a split second and everything turns off

i press the power button everything turns on including fans and leds

[hollow thorn]

They were OCing CPU right before

[naive pendant]

then it al turns off

yea and a oc'ed cpu to 4ghz ryzen 5 2400g

[weak hamlet]

when he pulls out the cmos battery, he needs to have the psu switch off, and press the power button a few times

to discharge everything

[naive pendant]

did that

[hollow thorn]

I believe he did that

[naive pendant]

i did

i turned it off

unplugged

switche doff

pressed the power button

[weak hamlet]

got a picture of your build?

[naive pendant]

ill take a video of whats happening

[weak hamlet]

a picture will suffice

[naive pendant]

ok

its sending rn'

that is the problem

[weak hamlet]

I got the idea when you said it the first time lol :p

send a picture of inside.

[naive pendant]

alright

[weak hamlet]

I'd bet the psu is shot

[naive pendant]

it turns on

[weak hamlet]

uh huh

[naive pendant]

how can i test this?

[weak hamlet]

with a different psu

[naive pendant]

ill use a paperclip

to turn on the psu

hm

let me see

if i have another one

[weak hamlet]

checked all the plugs are good and seated?

24pin, 12v

popped out ram?

try one at a time of each

[naive pendant]

ok

[weak hamlet]

if it still does that, Id say swap psu

[naive pendant]

alright

[weak hamlet]

what cpu is that?

[naive pendant]

ryzen 5

2400g

[weak hamlet]

pull the gpu out too

[naive pendant]

ok

ok its out

same problem

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant all due respect, but please remember/understand this: We cannot read your mind, and we cannot see what you see.

but lets start with the last question that is still open

PSU, did you test it with a clip?

[weak hamlet]

I dislike the paperclip method

yeah it may spin up, but any slight load may trip it

[gritty meadow]

@weak hamlet i use paper clip personally, for situations where i want to test someone else in the system. not for the psu itself

but until there is some more strict "following the suggestions" being done ... this is just a game of blind marco polo

[naive pendant]

its fine

i got it working

@gritty meadow its working dont worry

i took out the cpu and put it back in

that seemed to work

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant for future problems: please remember what was said above

[naive pendant]

alright thanks

[gritty meadow]

also. Do NOT overclock a part, you cannot afford to lose

[naive pendant]

thanks for the tip i will remember that

@gritty meadow oh yea and uh i have high frame times

no framerates but times

do you know a fix

[gritty meadow]

the simple fix is scale down your settings

and have a realistic set of expectations for your hardware

[tacit hemlock]

I wonder what could of been causing the problem tho.

Also didn't he say he didn't have thermal paste. How did you remove it and put it back it?

[naive pendant]

@tacit hemlock oh i had a lot of extra thermal paste that gushed out from the side so i reused that and pushed it into the middle

i am getting better temps than before even so

it used to idle at 50c

[tacit hemlock]

uh ok

[naive pendant]

y cringe lol

[hollow thorn]

It's not drawing power so

[tacit hemlock]

doesn't sound like a textbook way to do it

[naive pendant]

when on load

playing rainbow six

its 70c

not bad

for a stock air cooler

so im not complaining

[tacit hemlock]

I mean it works so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip raft]

What's the best ram MHZ 3600?

[tulip raft]

.

[gritty meadow]

thats a open question

if you mean, what is the recommended 3600 for a AMD cpu?

the cheapest good kit is normally the ripjaws with their cl16 timing

[tulip raft]

INTEL i9

i9 9900KF

@gritty meadow

[naive pendant]

my frametimes are incredibly high at 20 ms on valorant. is there a fix? i have a ryzen 5 2400g and a rx570

[long geyser]

Lows of 50fps for games doesn't seem bad with that hardware tbh. So unless Valorant is weird and much less intensive then usual, that isn't super high.

[icy field]

kinda like csgo

[crude jewel]

anyone got a broken am4 board at all looking for the socket to use to lap a IHS

[tulip raft]

What's the best ram for Intel 9900KF with Asus Z390 -E motherboard?

[mild jackal]

Can't go wrong with 3200 cl14.

[tulip raft]

I want to go higher then 3200 MHZ

[mild jackal]

Do you want plug and play settings at XMP without any troubleshooting?

[tulip raft]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mNbksk This is my list so far and don't know about this ram

[mild jackal]

Pretty sure that board is T topology - would favor 4x8

[tulip raft]

What do you mean?

[mild jackal]

vs 2x16

back to the point - do you want plug and play at XMP settings? (no troubleshooting)

[tulip raft]

What's the best thing to do?

[mild jackal]

best?

[tulip raft]

I have 64 GB ddr3 ram 😂 i barley know these things i mean do i want to do the XMP settings?

[mild jackal]

XMP = turn it on and the rams runs at sticker speed

[tulip raft]

Ah

[mild jackal]

Manual oc - you decide what clocks, timings, voltages etc you run

[tulip raft]

Ah

I mean if i go with XMP am i able to do Manual OC?

if i turn off XMP

[mild jackal]

Severy memory model as an "XMP speed"

[tulip raft]

So should i just do XMP speed?

[mild jackal]

Sounds like it

[tulip raft]

So should i get this ram or something different?

[mild jackal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/

[acoustic imp]

What is the amd version of the intel i7 9800x?

[hollow thorn]

@acoustic imp in what way?

Just as a 8 core CPU? 3700x

[acoustic imp]

Ok thanks

[naive pendant]

https://www.crucial.com/memory/ddr4/bl2k4g24c16u4b

or

https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-8gb/p/0RN-001S-000V2

which is a better choice?

[icy field]

id say crucial

I havent really heard much of mushkin before

but I know crucial has some good products

[naive pendant]

even with the higher latency?

[icy field]

o I misread

I thought they were the same speed

[naive pendant]

both are 2400mhz

crucial is cl16 and mushkin cl15

[icy field]

what are you looking to do on your pc?

just game?

[naive pendant]

primarily

maybe a little video/content creation

[icy field]

lower cl is better for editing and rendering but if mostly gaming id say go crucial

[naive pendant]

alr

[icy field]

I cant vouch for the other company but see what everyone else has to say

[naive pendant]

👍

[icy field]

@naive pendant but do you want just 8 gb of ram?

I would highly recommend just going straight to 16 gb

[naive pendant]

im planning on upgrading to quad channel later on

[inner tinsel]

i7-9750 or ryzen 7? so confused

googled it of course but it seems there are like 20 kinds of ryzen 7z

[icy field]

its a laptop processor lol

intel

[inner tinsel]

thanks jake

[icy field]

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820233831?Description=corsair vengeance ddr4 16gb ram&cm_re=corsair_vengeance_ddr4_16gb_ram-_-20-233-831-_-Product

this would be a good choice

[inner tinsel]

lol your name makes me wonder if your bais, just kidding

[naive pendant]

2133

[icy field]

ah frick

clicked the wrong one

[brazen cradle]

Lower means better on ram right ? Example : 15-15-15-35 is better than 16-18-18-38?

[naive pendant]

ewwwwww

3000mhz is good

[icy field]

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820233859?Item=N82E16820233859&Description=corsair vengeance ddr4 16gb ram&cm_re=corsair_vengeance_ddr4_16gb_ram-_-20-233-859-_-Product&quicklink=true

this was the one I was going to send lol

[naive pendant]

that looks good

[icy field]

and now that I realize now newegg is gonna email me later saying You wanna buy this or not

[inner tinsel]

a good deal. itd be nice to turn my 8gb into a 16

[icy field]

but anyways @naive pendant for most games nowadays they recommend more ram

especially on more demanding titles

[naive pendant]

i was about to ask

[icy field]

this your first build?

[naive pendant]

sorta

kinda

but not

[inner tinsel]

what is the most demanding title. for study comparisons

[naive pendant]

upgrading

[inner tinsel]

Ark survival?

[naive pendant]

minecraft rtx

[icy field]

RDR2 is pretty demanding

yea minecraft rtx is pretty demanding too

[naive pendant]

ark isnt demanding

just terribley optimized

[icy field]

ark can be demanding depending on the amount of things piled in front of you

[naive pendant]

cRySis

[icy field]

crysis ||remastered||

[inner tinsel]

i got a i7-7700hq gtx1050 and skyrim with mods makes me lag like crazy so figured its time to upgrade

[icy field]

thats a laptop

so you building a pc?

[naive pendant]

@?

[icy field]

kiba

[inner tinsel]

well i was jsut gonna buy a laptop form newegg, but im on the border of just building a desktop

[naive pendant]

do it

[inner tinsel]

%overheating sucks

[icy field]

my laptop doesnt overheat cuz I prop it up on wood for maximum airflow

[naive pendant]

i guess laptop coolers can help

[inner tinsel]

^

[icy field]

and yea id suggest a desktop unless u travel alot which no one is really doing right now

[naive pendant]

lol

[inner tinsel]

Mostly jsut travel form my lazyboy to my bed lol

[icy field]

then do it get a desktop

[naive pendant]

get a desktop and and cheap laptop

[icy field]

desktops are cheaper too

for a decent one anyway

compared to a decent laptop which will cost upwards of 1k

[urban ferry]

https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-massive-14-cooler/p/N82E16834966313?Description=laptop pad&cm_re=laptop_pad-_-34-966-313-_-Product

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[icy field]

overpriced

seen coolers for like 20

[urban ferry]

sure

[naive pendant]

those ones arent MASSIVE

[urban ferry]

that was just one i found quick

[icy field]

but it is thermaltake so 🤷‍♂️

[urban ferry]

just saying lap pads with fans underneath exist. ive had one for years and it still works, Thermaltake btw.

[inner tinsel]

so far the desktops and laptops i found on newegg where both about 1000 for one with a decent ghraphics and cpu

except on blackfriday

[naive pendant]

build a pc

[icy field]

@urban ferry shhhh

[urban ferry]

no

[icy field]

its 2:30 am im tired lol

[naive pendant]

@urban ferry
https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-8gb/p/0RN-001S-000V2
or
https://www.crucial.com/memory/ddr4/bl2k4g24c16u4b

[icy field]

@inner tinsel more upgradeability on a desktop too

[urban ferry]

what

those are ram kits

what

[naive pendant]

which is better?

[icy field]

||16 gb is overall better worth for price ||

[urban ferry]

ive never heard of mushkin

i wouldnt get it just because of that

but thats just me

it might be fine for all i know

its the same stuff under the hood anyways

(for good ram)

[naive pendant]

ok

does latency matter that much is a better question

[hollow thorn]

I only know mushkin made SSDs...

[plush timber]

so even more is sold out now lol.. bout to just start buying parts and hope the others come in stock in time... you guys were discussing cases. an di watned to get your opinion on two of them

https://www.newegg.com/black-be-quiet-pure-base-atx-micro-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-0037-00071 this one and https://www.newegg.com/white-fractal-design-focus-g-series-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352067

[hollow thorn]

Focus g is always a great budget option

500dx is good if you like the look and can shell out the monies

[plush timber]

thanks. looking for that airflow... figure i'll build an entirely different computer this time around to get updated and leave my current pc available for sale or family or something

is it better to have PSU on bottom of case or top? i'd think it'd expel a lot of heat

[hollow thorn]

@plush timber all modern cases I know of have psu at the bottom

[plush timber]

interesting

[hollow thorn]

they pull fresh air either out the back or the bottom of the case

[plush timber]

ah

might do that focus g one... looking for that mobo you suggested too still

i hit auto notify on newegg but i dont see an option in account to see list of things you put on notify

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus/p/N82E16813119197?Item=N82E16813119197&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2Fproduct%2FdmGnTW%2Fasus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-Hi8UXmtS_MNyxnw1w2u6zA i believe it was this one

[hollow thorn]

wait, can you link your list again?

[plush timber]

@hollow thorn yeah th elist you gave? sure

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hTsk9G i need to find a psu too. i have a powercolor 5700 in transit

[hollow thorn]

Did you need wifi? @plush timber

oh boy everything is out of stock

but yea that was the one

[plush timber]

no its a hardwired computer

[hollow thorn]

X570-p can be another option but thats out of stock too

[plush timber]

lol

[hollow thorn]

so whenever one of them goes in stock

it'll be nice

[plush timber]

asus right?

[hollow thorn]

Yea

[plush timber]

plus or pro?

[hollow thorn]

X570-p

it's the white motherboard

[plush timber]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-x570-p/p/N82E16813119199?Description=X570-p&cm_re=X570-p-_-13-119-199-_-Product&quicklink=true.

ohh

yeah that one right? lol

[hollow thorn]

yea

[plush timber]

https://www.newegg.com/p/2MG-000B-00373?Description=X570-p&cm_re=X570-p-_-9SIA1K6B552124-_-Product theres this one too lol

[plush timber]

@hollow thorn any reason why https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-x570-p/p/N82E16813119199?Item=9SIAFVFA8B8912 is not a good choice? as you know i'm only playing 1 or 2 games but mostly its a trade desk. just lots of charts and four screen use

[hollow thorn]

@plush timber it's too overpriced rn, the board is good, but its usually ~150$

[plush timber]

ohhh

what do you suggest in th eway of PSU for the 5700, the ryzen 5 3600, and mobo. i have a 1tb hybrid drive too

[hollow thorn]

Enermax revolution d.f., it should be 120$ on amazon right now

[plush timber]

maybe a 700w max necessary

[hollow thorn]

for 650w or 750w

[plush timber]

ahh

thats who you prefer?

[hollow thorn]

Thats the best PSU I would usually suggest basically

[plush timber]

ah

[hollow thorn]

It's a higher tier than the Corsair RMx

and It's in stock rn

[plush timber]

cool. will look it up. also looking over those Asus mobo's on newegg. so many options on that one page

thanks again

https://www.newegg.com/enermax-80-plus-erf650awt-750w/p/1HU-0042-000P9?Description=Enermax revolution d.f&cm_re=Enermax_revolution_d.f-_-1HU-0042-000P9-_-Product&quicklink=true found it on newegg too

[hollow thorn]

huh on newegg too

about the same prices so you can go for it

[plush timber]

ye

[plush timber]

seeing reviews saying that chipset fan is loud

[storm mason]

hey guys i have a question about my cpu

does my pc freezing completely, that is a cpu problem right?

[supple monolith]

Not nessisarily. Any blue screen of death?

[grizzled holly]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16835103277 is that a good CPU cooler?

[hollow thorn]

what about no

[grizzled holly]

Oof

Just wondering, how come?

[hollow thorn]

expensive

for perf

[grizzled holly]

Oh

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BY6F8D9

What about that?

[hollow thorn]

thats 2 completely different tiers of coolers

yes drp4 is good but

[grizzled holly]

But?

[hollow thorn]

why are you comparing a 90$ cooler to a (per wise) 30$ color?

[grizzled holly]

I wanted to cheap out

But I'm guessing that wouldn't be good.

[hollow thorn]

I'd rather have a dark rock pro 4 whenever possible

[grizzled holly]

Hmm

I kinda wanna go cheaper

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R5TQQMR

How about that?

[hollow thorn]

gammaxx 400 if you want low end

[grizzled holly]

It kinda looks ugly to me

[hollow thorn]

well it performs

[grizzled holly]

Hmm

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MJGNJB3 That ones kinda in the middle

price wise.

[hollow thorn]

It's cheaper on newegg iirc

It's good if it's ~40$

50$, no.

[grizzled holly]

Oh it didn't show on newegg for me

Hmm

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BYP9S95 That ones a little higher but cheaper than the pro 4, would that be okay?

[hollow thorn]

Nh-u12s

[grizzled holly]

Oh, if it was black, I'd get it.

I guess I'd get the pro 4

[hollow thorn]

okay.

[grizzled holly]

Thanks for the help.

[grizzled holly]

Since no one would seem to respond in #old-cooling , https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072LDYKQ6 are those good fans?

[hollow thorn]

idrk, I can suggest arctic f12 fans though.

[grizzled holly]

yeah that's what i was just looking at

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HC7P3HJ those ones right?

[hollow thorn]

p12 and f12 are pretty similar

those are good too

[grizzled holly]

Oh wait, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PFBPHL6 are you talking about those?

[hollow thorn]

no, Arctic f12/p12

[grizzled holly]

oh

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08173MYP4 I think I'll just get those

Because I want rgb

[hollow thorn]

...

[grizzled holly]

what?

[brazen cradle]

@grizzled holly some people just don’t like rgb

[tacit hemlock]

Impossible

[brazen cradle]

According to Amazon this is best amd board . Your opinion? @tacit hemlock

[grizzled holly]

@brazen cradle oh

@hollow thorn well I did switch to these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CG2PGY6

[hollow thorn]

kk

those are neat

I got one of those in the back of my case

[grizzled holly]

oh nice

is it quiet?

And I switched to this CPU cooler:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075R4C2RN

Because I want an AIO

And it's the same price as the other cooler.

[hollow thorn]

then go Arctic freezer 2

that is the only AIO I would reccomend

[grizzled holly]

I don't see any aio named that

[hollow thorn]

Arctic freezer II

same thing :p

[brazen cradle]

@hollow thorn I was told that buying a motherboard that is more money then your cpu is stupid . Is that true ?

I never heard that until now

[grizzled holly]

https://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIV04GADZ1917 that?

And what's the difference between Newegg Business and Newegg?

[hollow thorn]

@brazen cradle depends, if you're buying a x570 board for a 3600, it's okay if you're trying to future proof

if you're buying like a 1000$ board for a 200$ cpu, that's ridiculous, but there are cases where it makes sense.

[grizzled holly]

is that the cpu cooler you were talking about?

[brazen cradle]

Lol yea good point

But some people say that buying a 300 dollar motherboard is stupid if my cpu only cost like 170/200

[hollow thorn]

I believe so, but idrk about newegg business

well Ryzen makes sense for that, if you're getting a 3600 now, and preparing for a 4900x later

but intel

nah

doesn't really make sense

Because AMD boards got more upgradability and reusability

[brazen cradle]

Hm ok

Any suggestions on a motherboard I should get for the ryzen 5 360

*3600

[hollow thorn]

Asus tuf b450m pro gaming.

usually 98$

[tacit hemlock]

^

[brazen cradle]

Ok one last thing , how would I connect my pc to the internet. Someone said I Would need to buy a extra part or something, sorry I can’t remember what it’s called

@hollow thorn

[hollow thorn]

@brazen cradle do you have ethernet in your room, or will you be needing wifi

because theres different motherboards that come with wifi.

If so, I would suggest the Gigabyte b450 aorus pro wifi

[brazen cradle]

Ethernet is like if i had my WiFi wired ?

[hollow thorn]

Yes

Ethernet is wired internet

[brazen cradle]

How does that work again

[hollow thorn]

Wifi is wireless

[brazen cradle]

Router wired to my pc ?

[hollow thorn]

ethernet is wire

yes

[brazen cradle]

Oh ok

Yea I have WiFi so I would need a mobo with that WiFi thing .

Thanks

[hollow thorn]

Yes

[split copper]

Imagine the Phenom II X4 and X6 series being called something like Ryzen 5 160

[runic swift]

That’d be funny

[brazen cradle]

Stupid question but can I plug a keyboard , mouse or a flash drive into any of these USB ports ?

Just checking because they have different names and I feel like some won’t fit

[tranquil wolf]

they should work in any of the USB ports, the 2.0, 3.2 G1 and 3.2 G2 just denote transfer speeds for items like flash drives and XHD

[brazen cradle]

Oh ok

[mild jackal]

AM4 motherboard quick reference chart.
https://i.redd.it/2iwdy5wrrly31.png

[brazen cradle]

Do people really need aio for the ryzen 5 3600 or the ryzen 5 3600x?

[brazen cradle]

Like should I buy a cooler or should I just stick with the stock for the 5 3600 and is the 3600 worth OC ?

[muted roost]

Stock cooler gets the job done for the most part. It gets a little toasty so get a better cooler if slightly high temps is a concern

And Ryzen chips don’t have much OC headroom

[half heath]

I'm getting the ryzen 5 3600 and I'm sticking with the stock cooler

i dont mind little high temps

aslong as it doesn't overheat

[ionic hamlet]

I think the general consensus is the AMD stock cooler is fine as long as you're not overclocking.

[half heath]

yeah

!rank

[devout moth]

Euphoria, this command is disabled in this channel

[weak hamlet]

#ranks-and-levels

[modest forge]

Anyone know about 3800X? I wanna lower the idle CPU temperature as it idles around 55 C but I know it can idle at like 40 C. If this involves any lowering performance or anything just let me know, I’m not that good with computers so lol

[midnight pollen]

i guess you can change fan curves to be a bit higher or lower cpu voltage which could cause instability possible

but i think that temp is fine

[hollow thorn]

Wdym you know you it can idle at 40c?

It depends on your cooler, depends on your room temp, depends on your power plan, etc.

[gritty meadow]

@modest forge the following is not said to be mean: But by your current stated logic. You could also just turn it off, it would be truly idle then and the temp would just be room temp.

details and context matters is the point.

[modest forge]

@hollow thorn i read somewhere that the average idle was around 40 c to 50 c

And while I have like an average of 55 to 60 c sometimes my CPU can get to like 80 c just upon loading which I guess is normal but

I dunno I’m not used to high end CPUs to be honest, lower ends CPU i’m so used to being so cold

[mild jackal]

If your load temps are fine - I wouldn't worry about it.

[gritty meadow]

@modest forge your low end cpus were not COLD

[modest forge]

Well not in the way I say it

[gritty meadow]

you just had a proportionally outsized cooler for them

which you dont now

[modest forge]

I didn’t want to say cool because that would mean sunglasses

Prior to this I had a 2400G which idled at like 35 or 40 C and I had that for a while. I must be so used to it

[gritty meadow]

just for a bit of reference for you

[modest forge]

Well at least today it's idling at around 40 C but I'll have a random spike in temperature out of nowhere

[gritty meadow]

try and look up the actual max temp before throttling for both cpu

[modest forge]

I'm using Ryzen Master and it limits it to 95 C

I'm not gonna overclock just yet

[gritty meadow]

not what i am talking about at all

[modest forge]

looks about right yeah

[gritty meadow]

they are both designed to work just fine at temperatures up to that point

[modest forge]

okay, and a question about the cooler cause I can't find results online, on the prism i know high is for high performance but it's louder but does low also increase the CPU temperature as its less cooling or?

[gritty meadow]

think about this

[modest forge]

i'll take that a yes then

[gritty meadow]

IF you have a set amount of metal

and run a fan at low speed over it

[modest forge]

ok then clearly it would

[gritty meadow]

you will most likely get a higher number VS running a fan at high speed

[modest forge]

stupid question i had then

[gritty meadow]

no

there are no stupid questions, only silly answers

[weak hamlet]

heh

then we have naed.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modest forge]

no no i asked a stupid question because clearly that was common sense for an answer

[hollow thorn]

There are no stupid questions >:D

[gritty meadow]

@modest forge only because i have the experience to know the context

[modest forge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i am not the brightest tool in the shed so lol

[gritty meadow]

thats between you and the shed manager

[modest forge]

there is no shed

[weak hamlet]

not the sharpest you mean

[gritty meadow]

take that up with the landlord then

[weak hamlet]

not the brightest crayon in the box*

😄

not the sharpest tool in the shed.

come on guy 😛

[modest forge]

almost destroyed the CPU by not upgrading BIOS to the latest version. fan was going nuts

i upgraded prior so dont be like wtf

here let me fix that sentence

[gritty meadow]

that does NOT "almost destroy the cpu"

[hollow thorn]

I wonder what does happen if you don't upgrade bios and run it

[gritty meadow]

nothing

[modest forge]

with 2400G updated to 5.9
then with 3800X updated to 6.4

[hollow thorn]

I think it just runs fans at full speed and does nothing

[gritty meadow]

it just tells you to go eat manuals until you learn your lesson @hollow thorn

[modest forge]

lol

bios is very fun

[hollow thorn]

:(

[gritty meadow]

dont know it @hollow thorn

[hollow thorn]

alright

[gritty meadow]

manuals are part of a varied diet

[hollow thorn]

I never fully read manuals :p

[gritty meadow]

(i know!)

[modest forge]

I eat shreds of manuals with my salads

[hollow thorn]

lol

[modest forge]

It's like grilled chicken

Actually it's more like red cabbage

god this CPU is bottlenecking my GPU so much

[hollow thorn]

..?

[modest forge]

well this isn't #graphics-cards but my poor ass has a gtx 1650

[hollow thorn]

words :p

1650 is fine

[modest forge]

not for the 3800x

[hollow thorn]

I think you meant to say GPU is bottlenecking your cpu

but close nuff

[modest forge]

if i'm gonna be honest

i don't know what bottlenecking honestly is all i know is that you don't get what you expect

[gritty meadow]

one part not being fast enough to keep pace with the other

[hollow thorn]

yea

[modest forge]

i don't think my gpu is fast enough

i might be wrong like i said i'm not excellent at computers

[hollow thorn]

but anyways my 3800x is idling at 50c under a d15 so

and this is a d15

[modest forge]

it was a little hot yesterday so i wouldn't be completely amazed if that caused a mild cpu temperature

today it's a little cooler and it's idling about 45 C which I'm happy about I guess

[hollow thorn]

mhm

heh 66c under prime95

undervolting it compared to default really does help

4.2ghz 1.25v

lmao

it crashed

guess 1.25v is too low

[tall nymph]

would a higher end b450 or lower end x570 be better with a R7 3700x for gaming purposes

[hollow thorn]

Always depends on the exact board

Brand, chipset, prices, etc don't tell the whole story.

Usually a good b450 board is all you need.

but if you somehow found a good 80$ x570 board or something, I can't argue with that.

[tall nymph]

alright thx

[glossy gazelle]

Hey guys, I was looking for some help finding a new mobo. The one I was going to put in my build (ASUS TUF X570-PLUS (WI-FI) is currently sold out and I'm looking for another around the same price point. WI-FI would be a plus but if there isn't one then I can opt for one without it.

[hollow thorn]

Sadly not much

X570-p is also OOS

[glossy gazelle]

What a horrible time to make my build lol

[hollow thorn]

Corona

[warped scroll]

🦠

[glossy gazelle]

[warped scroll]

Yeah honestly right now is a terrible time to build a PC

I can’t even find used RX 470s for less than $90

[glossy gazelle]

the problem is that i have everything ordered but the mobo so

[supple monolith]

You can still get good deals once in a while

[glossy gazelle]

i kinda just have to sit around and wait

[warped scroll]

The waiting game is fun

[supple monolith]

I'll end up paying far less than retail and I bought everything since March

[naive pendant]

How do I upgrade my ram I currently have 12 gb of RAM

[warped scroll]

you put another stick in

Do you know if you have ddr3 or ddr4

[naive pendant]

No and I can't put anymore sticks in

[hollow thorn]

..?

take it out and replace with higher capacity ram then

[eager vale]

Should I get a mATX mobo or mini itx

[hollow thorn]

your choice

[winged stream]

hey can i get some help picking out a board

[supple monolith]

What CPU are you looking at?

[empty spoke]

Will the hero 7 work with a 3rd gen ryzen cpu even though in the specs it just says gen 1 and 2. Hero 7 came out end of 2018 and the 3rd gen im looking into came out in July Im pretty sure it will just making sure

[winged stream]

i have a ryzen 5 3600

[empty spoke]

Any amd am4 mobo will work receding

[winged stream]

i’m looking for a board with at least one m.2 slot for my nvme drive and ryzen 3000 compatible

i was looking at the aorus pro wifi rev 1.0 but it doesn’t say it’s ryzen 3000 compatible

[empty spoke]

ASUS TUF B450M-PRO GAMING AMD

Decent one and under 100

[winged stream]

i think i’d need the non m version since i have an atx case and i don’t want it to look weird

[warped scroll]

It doesn’t look weird

M-ATX in ATX looks fine

[fossil bridge]

i have an matx board in an atx case and it doesnt look too bad

[winged stream]

alright cool thanks

[warped scroll]

Example:

[winged stream]

is your psu on top

[warped scroll]

I mean that’s kind of a different style of case but that’s the general idea

Hold on let me get a better example

[fossil bridge]

here's another

this is mine

[warped scroll]

Oh yeah that’s a good example ^

[nimble olive]

Anyone know how to setup boot drive on asus rog strix b450

[naive pendant]

One question

Is water cooling safe

[tacit hemlock]

Custom loop or aio

[long geyser]

Yes
also no

[tacit hemlock]

If custom loop, than its up to you to make it safe

[crude path]

it depends. if you dont do it right or maintain it right, it can be extremely bad

[long geyser]

That's the case with practically anything tho

[tacit hemlock]

True

[crude path]

i mean, i can let my fan cooled pc gather up quite a bit of dust and not clean it for 5 years and it will probably be fine compared to if one small thing goes wrong with water cooling it can potentially destroy expensive components. you're right, but there is more risk with custom water cooling

[daring patio]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232498?Item=N82E16820232498&Description=RAM&cm_re=RAM-_-20-232-498-_-Product Is this good? got a little space in my budget

[tacit hemlock]

I think you probably know the answer to that

For performance: meh
For looks: sure

[daring patio]

Is there another good ram, weither RGB or not, that can be overclocked? I want to not go XMP, rather manually entering the timings to get a slightly better performance

@tacit hemlock

[tacit hemlock]

Idk much about overclocking so I cant really help but I know some gskill ripjaws are good kits

[daring patio]

I heard they ar egood for out of the box XMP, but worse at oc

i'll ask somewhere else

[tulip raft]

Should i get i9 or Ryzen 3950X?

[daring patio]

ryzen

[tacit hemlock]

That depends on what your doing

Do you need 16 cores?

[brazen cradle]

How many cores does the ryzen 5 3600 have ?

[split copper]

6

[brazen cradle]

Mk

[midnight pollen]

ryzen better for pretty much everything except gaming

[elder adder]

i got the ryzen 5 2600 and it’s doing just fine

[lethal charm]

Anyone notice - almost all of the reasonably-priced AMD X570 motherboards are all sold out on Newegg?
Did a search tonight, and 13 out of 14 selections were sold out - including the one I had on my Wish List.

[gritty meadow]

they have been doing rolling stock updates for weeks now

so, dont just look once and then conclude that your 1 second check is the absolute "state" of things :)

[lethal charm]

Ok. I had one on my Wish List 2 weeks ago, and it went out of stock. So I went and found another one. Went back and checked tonight, and the 2nd one was out of stock. Went to find a replacement, but had no luck.

"rolling stock updates" - does that mean they're trying to sell out / exhaust current inventory to be able to replenish with newer models?

[gritty meadow]

no, its the opposite really

its normal procedure if you know that people are buying in "wierd" patterns

instead of putting all incoming stock online at the "start" of the day, you "roll it out" over the course of the day

i hope that makes sense @lethal charm

[lethal charm]

hrm, okay. So it helps control in/out pacing then. Ok - I'll keep checking at different times.
Just seemed odd - like everything was "all bought up".
Thanks for response and clarification, @gritty meadow . 🙂

[gritty meadow]

its to curb scalping really

at least thats the reason we used to do it at the places ive worked/managed

and you are very welcome :)

[terse forge]

anyone tried g skill ripshaw 32 gb 3200 mhz ram for msi x470 pro carbon

cant get mine past 2133

tried almost everything

[naive pendant]

Thinking of replacing my mom's ram in her laptop for her birthday

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ACODGMC/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_D3MSEbKJYZ6KB

What I'm thinking of getting her

Almost exactly what I'm running now

Maybe higher MHz if it can handle higher

[fossil bridge]

how much does she have currently

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant check the manufacturers site for what the laptop actually supports

[long geyser]

@naive pendant I would suggest dual channel
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820232148?Item=N82E16820232148

[naive pendant]

@fossil bridge 8gb

@gritty meadow that's my plan

[fossil bridge]

ah

i did the same w my dad's old laptop

had another 4gb stick laying around so i threw it in his to give him 8

[naive pendant]

Truthfully hers can probably go better since she has a better computer then me, but I don't know how high it can go

[fossil bridge]

fair

my dad's laptop is from like 2011 and still uses windows 7 lol

[naive pendant]

What I posted is THE highest mine can do....

[fossil bridge]

oop

[naive pendant]

So I figured that would be best bet for hers

I'll check her specs when she's not looking

She doesnt know I'm planning to do this

[split copper]

Xd

[naive pendant]

I'm not going to install them w/o her knowing, I'm going to buy them for her.

Letting her install them if she wants

[lethal charm]

@naive pendant If not sure on the total capacity - what is the laptop brand and model? Do you know that?

[naive pendant]

Checking now actually

I do know that max is most likely 16

It's an hp 15-ay041wm @lethal charm

[lethal charm]

Ugh... I replied, but it prevented me from including a link to Newegg's item.

Anyway - Newegg has the exact same item, same price, also w/ Free Shipping

[naive pendant]

It can go up to 3200

16gb 3200

G.SKILL Ripjaws SO-DIMM 16GB (2 x 8GB) 260-Pin DDR4 SO-DIMM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Laptop Memory Model F4-3200C18D-16GRS https://www.newegg.com/product/N82E16820232724?m_ver=1

What do y'all think?^

[lethal charm]

Looking. Having a bit of trouble confirming the specs on HP's site.

[naive pendant]

I used crucial.com

That's where I verified my laptops ram and ssd compatibilities

[gritty meadow]

@naive pendant

[naive pendant]

They do that for you

I've tested it on different systems myself, double checking with manufacturers site and it's accurate

My laptop is an hp also

I've tested it with desktops too

Msi laptops

[lethal charm]

@naive pendant Here is the problem I'm having: HP shows about 8 different processors and chipsets available... for that 1 desktop model#.

[naive pendant]

Weird

Sorry for grainyness

[gritty meadow]

@lethal charm thats normal

the different parts you see are tied to specific loadouts

[lethal charm]

Agreed.

[naive pendant]

And isn't the motherboard what actually determines ram specs?

[gritty meadow]

its a combination of things

which is why you go to the manufacturer of the main component (which you are plugging things INTO) for verification that a given part works

2sec @lethal charm lets get your rank fixed :)

@weak hamlet could you fix the rank on @lethal charm ?

[weak hamlet]

done.

[gritty meadow]

thank you

@lethal charm post away please :)

[lethal charm]

ty sir!

[naive pendant]

Crucial is how I actually found out I had a pcie nvme drive

[lethal charm]

@naive pendant - that looks correct, but very general info.
HP's Maintenance and Service Guide shows that it has either:
PC3L 12800 @ 1600MHz, or
PC4 17000 @ 2133MHz

The "Intel Series 100 chipset is a family that includes about 10 versions

pcie is actually much simpler.

[naive pendant]

Well at the time I never heard of pcie not nvme

*nor

All I knew were the "brick bays", the Sata

I've used it for my brother's laptop to see IF it was upgradable, which it isn't. It's all integrated, we opened it up to verify

[lethal charm]

Yeah, and we used IDE (ribbon cable) drives before that 🙂

[naive pendant]

All around, in my experiences, crucial has been 100% on point

Infact, that where I bought MY ram from

[lethal charm]

EUREKA!

Here are the specs for that SPECIFIC model# X0H86UA#ABA
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05216562?jumpid=reg_r1002_usen_c-001_title_r0001

[naive pendant]

Wait? Her processor is lower then mine, but can take better ram?

[lethal charm]

so confirmed: you can use 2 sticks of DDR4-2133 SDRAM

[naive pendant]

I have an i3-8130u, she has an i3-6100u

[lethal charm]

RAM clock speed is dictated by the motherboard chipset bus... such as 2133 MHz... up to around 3600 MHz.
This is NOT related to CPU core clock speed.

[naive pendant]

Ok..

But what's the point in getting fast ram when it'll bottleneck the CPU?

[lethal charm]

Although if you overclock the chipset bus in the BIOS (I wouldn't recommend on a base model laptop), both the RAM <and> CPU operate faster.

[naive pendant]

Cause that's actually happening to mine, so much ram that it's being used like 50% when CPU is at 100% when I'm really pushing it

[lethal charm]

Also - capacity isn't same as speed.
Going with 2 x 8 GB of PC2133 ram will maximize your efforts - you won't have a bottleneck.

[naive pendant]

That's what I'm using

2x8 2133 Corsair vengence

[lethal charm]

So yeah - based on config, known brand reliability, and value/price, I"d go with:
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820233888

which fully coincides with HP's documentation. (the most important part)

http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06189781

Actually - I see further:
https://www.gadgetsnow.com/laptops/HP-Pavilion-15-ay041wm-X0H86UA-Laptop-Core-i3-6th-Gen8-GB1-TBWindows-10
shows "Memory Capacity" at 8GB.

I was going off of the screenshot from your phone. Don't know where you got that from.

[naive pendant]

Capacity is the current ram specs

[lethal charm]

That's not currect.