#cpus-mobo-and-memory | Newegg | Page 92

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:58 AM

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because IBM is really expensive back then

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5000 dollars at least

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:59 AM

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What? Wow

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:59 AM

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whereas the C64? $300-500

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 7:59 AM

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For the first time ever I feel super young lol

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 7:59 AM

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hook it up to a cheap commodore monitor

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5 and 6 year old me was thrilled

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but it was apple from then on

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 8:00 AM

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I think I had a Nintendo back then

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 8:00 AM

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apple was more expensive but you could do more with it

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nintendo was better at games than any of those computers

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the games were complex and deep

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but they also had nice graphics and music and stuff

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the computer games had the complex and deep down, like wizardry: PROVING GROUNDS OF THE MAD OVERLORD (capitalized for sounding very metal) and ultima IV: quest of the avatar

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i later got ultima IV on NES and it was objectively better - a little easier and simpler but more fun definitely

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it also had graphics good enough to tell you what you were looking at

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your avatar in computer ultima IV was a stick man

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really off topic so i'm gonna stop

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i get really carried away

glad turret Jan 7, 2020, 8:40 AM

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Nah it’s fine. Sorry I didn’t respond for some time, was playing Witcher 3

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You have some interesting taste in games though, glad you’re an ultima fan, I played all of them myself. Watching graphics progress through the ages has been pretty cool

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 10:52 AM

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witcher 3 is a hell of a game though

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my only gripe with it: it tells fraps it's going 35fps when it's definitely going like 90

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it's like really visible that it is

gritty meadow Jan 7, 2020, 1:45 PM

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play the game for the game.

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 4:07 PM

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35fps is nintendo switch framerate, and the thing with fraps is it reports that no matter what the settings

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but anyway, i know it's going faster than that

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it's just being misreported

misty belfry Jan 7, 2020, 5:09 PM

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hmm maybe not

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what an odd situation

muted roost Jan 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Switch can run Witcher 3 at almost 60 with an overclock and a config mod

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Battery life is nonexistent tho

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Is the x570 chipset compatible with ryzen 3rd gen out of the box?

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Or does it need a bios update

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Its compatible out of the box

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Thank you I love you.

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:14 PM

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i9 9900k is the best gaming cpu? But is the performance increase worth it compared to something like the ryzen 7 3700?

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:16 PM

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In theory it is but price wise its a million miles out of the same league as the performance league its in

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Not to mention the cost of a decent mobo. And also cooler, of which the stock on almost all AMD CPUs is more than sufficient even for light overclocking

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:17 PM

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But for someone targeting the highest frames for a pure gaming build, I should just got with the 9900k right? I can fit it into my build.

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Had my sights set on the gigabyte aorus elite for either cpu. 9900k or ryzen 7 3700x

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and an h100i from corsair for a cpu cooler

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:19 PM

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You're overpaying for a miniature performance boost in gaming while being so far behind on any non gaming workload

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Also, if you can afford a 9900k, you can afford a 3900x.

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Which does come with the rather OP wraith prism in the process

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https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-vs-intel-core-i9-9900k/

Digital Trends

Can the 3900X beat the 9900K to become the best gaming CPU in the ...

With AMD's Ryzen 3000 CPUs now ready for purchase, the new-generation battle for the most powerful processors is afoot. There are head-to-heads throughout Intel and AMD's product stacks, but at the top end, we have the Core i9-9900K vs. Ryzen 9 3900X. Which is going to come o...

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I would have to look at benchmarks for the 3900x. I haven't checked it out yet. Mainly looked at the i7 9700k, i9 9900k, and the ryzen 7 3700x. Not certain on which one I want to get yet.

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:20 PM

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This one pretty much illustrates while even in gaming, it depends on the game which is better than the other.

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Although ive been leaning more towards amd

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:21 PM

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You are also miles ahead than any intel board by getting yourself a, very cheap in comparison, Asus x570 TUF Plus (wifi) as a board

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Actually from what I can tell from all those benchmark charts the only time the 9900k performs better than a 3900x is on fortnite on 1080phigh, loses out on everything else. Although that does seem a little off to me, from what I recall they should be winning 50/50 of the benchmarks vs eachother

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Perhaps that was a 3700x I am misremembering

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Ryzen 3 3700x + Gigabyte x570 aorus elite is what I am mainly considering. If the performance increase between the 3700x and the next tier cpu whether it be the 9900k or the 3900x isn't that significant I'll just reallocate the money I would've spent on the 3900x/9900k to more storage or a better monitor.

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Depends, the 3900x will give you a lot more longetivity, easily another year or two on the other two processors.

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Hence why I got a 3950x.

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Of course it makes it much easier because of listed specs to just slap in a modern GPU in 5 years and sell for a decent price locally if you wanted a new system then too.

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:28 PM

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I do want longevity. If I am going to be putting nearly $2400 into a new PC I would want it perform well for decade or close to that. Or is that unrealistic?

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Not that unrealistic but I dont know where your money is going if you cant get a 3950x on that budget

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For 2200 I have a 3950x, 2080S, X570 TUF Plus, 1tb m.2, 4TB HDD, decent case, Noctua U14S

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Didn't cheap out on PSU either.

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And the 3950x was more expensive then than it is now, I think its down 50 atm

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Definitely not considering a 3950x my understanding is that cpu is for intensive workloads like 4k video editing and streaming like that, correct?

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Im assuming you're going for a 2080TI?

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It is but multicore optimisation in games is increasing every year. And rather than faster cores when you have programs utilising them all, its much faster to just slap it on a core that isn't doing anything. I reckon in 5 years even in gaming (while having some other programs open particularly streaming) having 16 cores will be very noticable over 8.

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Well I could sacrifice the aesthetic aspect of my build and fit in a 2080ti but not certain I would want to do that yet although I have been considering doing that.

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:32 PM

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The thing is it doesn't mean you have to get a 3950x now, you can spend near 300 less and get a 3700x/3800x and in 5 years youll be able to pick up a 3950x as a budget CPU for your Am4 motherboard (x570 is futureproof af btw) for less than 300 used EASILY. Probably 100 even.

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I mean, the 2700 is a good example, even new thats only 110 and thats still an 8 core 16 thread monster, and it hasnt been that long. So the used market will make it cost peanuts to upgrade a 3700x in some years if not good enough.

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I went with 2080S. I personally don't care about aesthetics so I never plan for it, I keep my PC under my desk anyway to eliminate any noise so as long as the front looks decent. I reckon in 5 years Pci 4 GPUs will be the more normal so I didnt want to get a TI now and then upgrade then

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Private list.

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:35 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w4q7CL

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try that one

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I'll admit I am putting more than I should on the aesthetic part with all the rgb.

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Yeah no sane person would buy an H100i if they wanted longevity or cooling performance, its an RGB thing.

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That ram is CL18. Probably costing you about 5 frames from the get-go

gritty meadow Jan 7, 2020, 7:37 PM

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you do know you could buy a lava lamp for the lights and use the money for a more sane build right? :)

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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I

gritty meadow Jan 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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and yes, that is a joke.

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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I'm open to suggestions on how to make it better

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Not like Im complaining but if you're pretty specific about squeezing out the frames, you'll want some CL16. And theres decent CL16 3600mhz RGB ram

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Aesthetics I like but performance I like better

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Especially when it comes to thermals.

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:39 PM

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G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB 3600mhz is CL16 RGB ram. Its a similar price to what you're paying in a 2x16 stick format

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CL18 is a great way to save budget at the cost of some frames instead of buying CL16 but here, buying CL18 for more than CL16 with a "better" configuration doesn't make much sense

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:41 PM

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What about the cpu cooler

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what would you recommend there?

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Switch to air and grab a noctua?

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I am actually not the guy to ask for RGB/good looking air coolers. But a black Noctua might go well with that colour scheme

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Oh hey the Noctua NH -D15 black is only 100 in the US

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Lucky

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Forget the aesthetic part. What would you recommend for best performance/longevity?

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Fan over AIO

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Very low maintenance, don't need replaced nearly as often etc. Like if an AIO makes you 5 years then you have some kind of god sent gift

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Air coolers wont fail you.

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The only thing that can fail is a fan, which is a $20 replacement at max, and thats a problem AIOs can also have for their rad fans

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Good air coolers beat a lot of AIOs. You'd have to look at specific benchmarks comparing the NH-D15 to the h100i but I reckon it'd perform a decent bit better if your case has good flow

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You could also go smaller like the U14S but I was looking for a version in black for a guy earlier and turns out there arent any.

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:46 PM

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the 0-11 dynamic performs pretty well with the thermals with 3 side intake and 2 up top for exhaust.

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:46 PM

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(Also, with a NH-D15, the CPU is surprisingly able to run fine without any fans, high temps but still)

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(The heatsink is just beefy)

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:46 PM

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The Samsung 970 evo is also a really expensive M.2 drive, it doesnt offer better performance than the faster speed m.2s for around 100-120

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Yea I was going to change that to probably a 1tb crucial or sabrant rocket

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 PM

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As long as you get the normal rocket not the rocket Q

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 PM

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that ram price looks high ..?

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Need to be careful with crucial drives, all the ones I remember checking the speeds of were 1/4th that of the sabrent and others

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Its 32gb @hollow thorn

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But also the ram is going to be changing

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Because its CL18 and more expensive than 32gb of CL16 for some insane reason (with the CL16 also being RGB)

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:48 PM

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(I got trident z neo 3600mhzcl16 32gb for around 160$)

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Yeah thats what I suggested

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Oh yeah theres no point in getting a 2080 non S/non super

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The performance improvement for super for the smaller cost increase is REALLY worth it.

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Well just a warning the kit I got (F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC) has hynix C dies, works great but no OC potential

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Its just the TI that you're paying 400+ for a few frames

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Oh and actually I would prob suggest NH-U14 since that give you better ram clearance usually

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Theres no black U14

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:52 PM

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ah

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Well usually ram clearance issues is solved easily by taking off the second fan so it should be fine

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tho slightly less cooling

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:53 PM

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For some reason PCPP doesnt like me picking the D15 on this build.

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I dont see any incompatibility issues

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Looks like this guy just raised his fan so its above the ram

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But still covering most of th eheatsync

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Thats the x570 aurus elite mobo

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:55 PM

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thats normal positioning I think

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bc the fan sticks out a bit over the heatsink

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Yeah but you can tell the fan on the right sticks out further by looking at the heatsink fins

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:56 PM

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for me, idk if you can do it with other mobo and cases, I was able to just fit in my second fan on top of all the IO

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like

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restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Yeah well the issue here is that why isnt PCPP letting me select it, if its obviously compatible.

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:58 PM

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maybe case clearance?

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Its a full ATX tower

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:58 PM

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also pcpp didn't have the d15 se-am4 in their so I had to add custom part

gritty meadow Jan 7, 2020, 7:58 PM

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width of case

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 7:58 PM

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I remember seeing that case, its pretty big.

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 7:59 PM

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lemme see

restive wedge Jan 7, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Oh interesting, 155 clearance when the D15 is 160

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Doesn't look it.

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Who was the guy going on about how Lian Li cases havent been good in 5+ years

gritty meadow Jan 7, 2020, 8:00 PM

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me

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Yea

gritty meadow Jan 7, 2020, 8:01 PM

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the above is one of the reasons.

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 8:01 PM

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I just have a cheap fractal design focus g

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d15 fits with a pretty small gap

meager dawn Jan 7, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Wasn't the dynamic 011 generally considered the best case of 2018?

gritty meadow Jan 7, 2020, 8:02 PM

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depends on who you ask

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and if the criteria is "water cooling only" it could be

inner oar Jan 7, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I was looking at Lian Li, but I want something that doesn't scream "gamer". No offense meant to those that like flashy cases.

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 9:33 PM

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You joining the anti-rgb gang?

inner oar Jan 7, 2020, 9:41 PM

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I think so. Mouse and keyboard only place you'll find it when I get around to building.

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Get me a case that looks like a workstation.

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Nice

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I like a bit of rgb but too much is just too crazy

inner oar Jan 7, 2020, 9:45 PM

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The be quiet 500 pure base looks pretty much like a workstation without the TG.

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hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 9:48 PM

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I really like the industrial look of the coolermaster h500

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Like ignoring rgb

inner oar Jan 7, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Eh, you can turn off the RGB with the controller.

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About $40 difference between that and the Be Quiet.

last granite Jan 7, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Hey, so I’m trying to get parts for a PC for around 550-600 cad? any good ideas?

smoky egret Jan 7, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Probably better done in the #building-and-recc-chat, but what parts? All of them? What will the purpose of the PC be?

last granite Jan 7, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Well, medium-intensity gaming and light video editing.

smoky egret Jan 7, 2020, 10:08 PM

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1080p gaming? Do you need a monitor, case, etc?

last granite Jan 7, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Yeah, but the monitor not in total costs for the PC.

smoky egret Jan 7, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Do you need a windows license too?

last granite Jan 7, 2020, 10:30 PM

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no

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Windows licenses are like way too expensive and I don’t care about the water mark

hollow thorn Jan 7, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Or 5$ ebay key

last granite Jan 7, 2020, 10:45 PM

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or gvgmall

last granite Jan 7, 2020, 11:14 PM

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anyone still here lol?

blazing trout Jan 7, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I’m looking for an x570 board under 200 dollars that’s not gonna break down. Any suggestions?

elfin warren Jan 7, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Asus TUF Gaming X570 Wifi

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should be right at opr just under $200

inner oar Jan 8, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Better to go with the TUF, or the Tomahawk Max?

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 12:07 AM

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For what CPU?

inner oar Jan 8, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Most likely the 3600x, or the 3600 if there not much difference.

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 12:10 AM

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B450 Tomahawk max.

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Its a solid board, theres not much reason to go for an x570 without a 3900x/3950x, while no GPUs properly take advantage of PCI 4 yet and PCI4 NVME drives generally don't seem worth buying.

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Yet. Remember that people typically build 3-5 year PC's before upgrading. Future proofing isn't a bad thing

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 12:13 AM

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I know, I bought a 3950x and an X570 already.

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Just for a budget and 3600, theres not as much futureproofing in that build I feel, more for good gaming on a more budget build.

inner oar Jan 8, 2020, 12:13 AM

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So in that case the TUF would make more sense then.

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 12:14 AM

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I mean would you rather save more money for a GPU in your build and game better or get a more future proof build thats worse for a few years then upgrade later? Depends if your budget is high enough to do both.

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I had over 2k so I was pretty sound with my purchases

inner oar Jan 8, 2020, 12:15 AM

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I plan going with a 5700xt. I imagine that should be good for several years. Then by that time upgrading to a newer board that supports whatever new socket AMD goes with.

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Well everyone seems confident AM4 will be retired by Zen2+ or even Zen3, which will probably only be a year apart. So if you plan to upgrade to a new CPU in 5+ years time rather than upgrade to something 3-5 years old at that point, then yeah, might as well get a B450 which is more than capable of a 3600 with even decent OCing. Same VRM as an x470.

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5700XT is in the "good" range of cards, not top as well. It really does feel like a "budget" build thatll still last years at this point so I dont see why you'd go for a 570 over b450 with that plan.

inner oar Jan 8, 2020, 12:18 AM

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👍

grand burrow Jan 8, 2020, 12:40 AM

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What do you guys think of the Ryzen 7 2700/2700X 8-core? Worth it?

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I want a good performing CPU and I don’t want to struggle but I’m not made of money.

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Any suggestions?

urban ferry Jan 8, 2020, 12:42 AM

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2700x is a fantastic processor

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if you can find it for around $200-$250

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super powerful

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can handle VR, streaming, gaming, you name it

grand burrow Jan 8, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Ok. What is the upgrade from the 2700 to the 2700X

urban ferry Jan 8, 2020, 12:44 AM

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not completely sure to be honest

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i know the 2700x is a bit more powerfuk

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powerful*

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but im not sure how much more

grand burrow Jan 8, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Ok. Newegg is out of stock on the 2700X. How long will it be until they restock you think?

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 12:46 AM

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@grand burrow Check amazon

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You can get the 2700 for like 130ish

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Zack seems out of touch with the 2000 series especially the upper ones have REALLY dropped in price to buy new

urban ferry Jan 8, 2020, 12:49 AM

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elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 12:50 AM

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2700x has higher clocks, that's it. however, it does make a difference

grand burrow Jan 8, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Ok thanks everyone

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Thats odd

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Its gone up in price in the US

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For the first time this decade (literally) the US has something more expensive than the UK

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Well proportionally to other products, its still cheaper after exchange rates

grand burrow Jan 8, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Ok. Now reading some reviews it says it has a trouble with cooling. Is that something I should worry about now? Or wait and see?

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 1:02 AM

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It doesn't have trouble with cooling unless you want to overclock. In that case, get an aftermarket cooler for it. Stock cooler will be fine if you don't mess with the clocks.

grand burrow Jan 8, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Ok

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 1:52 AM

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should i go with a i5-9600k for $200 or a ryzen 3600x for $240

long geyser Jan 8, 2020, 1:59 AM

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R5 3600 non X for $200

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:01 AM

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ok

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is the 3600 better than the 9600k

inner oar Jan 8, 2020, 2:10 AM

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2700x, or 3600?

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:16 AM

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both

urban ferry Jan 8, 2020, 2:19 AM

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@inner oar 2700x for if you stream/video edit, 3600 for just gaming

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:21 AM

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yeah idk i might get in to streaming when i getr a better rig

inner oar Jan 8, 2020, 2:22 AM

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@urban ferry so for gaming and light web design, the 3600 would be the better CPU?

urban ferry Jan 8, 2020, 2:23 AM

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yes

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:23 AM

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yes

urban ferry Jan 8, 2020, 2:24 AM

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only by a bit tho

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:24 AM

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the 2700x is cheaper tho

urban ferry Jan 8, 2020, 2:25 AM

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theyre pretty much neck and neck in gaming performance with the 3600 being just a tad bit better

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:25 AM

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only by a bit

urban ferry Jan 8, 2020, 2:25 AM

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so if the 2700x is cheaper, go for that

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:25 AM

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new egg had a %50 sale on it

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but its sold out

mild jackal Jan 8, 2020, 2:25 AM

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2700x on sale for 140 ish, 3600's around 190

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:26 AM

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you can always upgrade as well

inner oar Jan 8, 2020, 2:34 AM

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$164.99 for the 2700x, and $194.98 for the 3600.

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Question is, is the 3600 $30 better?

hollow thorn Jan 8, 2020, 2:41 AM

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not really

pastel monolith Jan 8, 2020, 2:47 AM

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its only $11 and some change better LOL

quaint current Jan 8, 2020, 3:00 AM

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2700x is better for productivity that can use the extra cores/streaming, but the 3600 is better for gaming+single core stuff

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 4:12 AM

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What is this type of deal https://www.newegg.com/p/274-000K-001E6?Description=2700x&cm_re=2700x-_-9SIA8N29BD8354-_-Product

crude path Jan 8, 2020, 4:13 AM

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the best deal

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 4:14 AM

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yeah

final barn Jan 8, 2020, 1:44 PM

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What is vrm?

split copper Jan 8, 2020, 1:44 PM

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vrrrrrrrrrooom

final barn Jan 8, 2020, 1:45 PM

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😕

split copper Jan 8, 2020, 1:45 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_regulator_module

Voltage regulator module

A voltage regulator module (VRM), sometimes called processor power module (PPM), is a buck converter that provides a microprocessor the appropriate supply voltage, converting +5 V or +12 V to a much lower voltage required by the CPU, allowing processors with different supply ...

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so basically

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vroom

final barn Jan 8, 2020, 1:52 PM

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So more vrm in a mobo makes the cpu perform better?

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Or is that stupid ^

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 1:53 PM

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Nope.

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I mean without explaining what VRM is to explain what practically it means to you, it's mostly to do with overclocking in most applications

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Better VRM/VRM cooling = better overclocking potential

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I feel thats a poor way of explaining it without explaining it.

mild jackal Jan 8, 2020, 1:55 PM

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VRM's are just the chips/circuits that handle converting the +12v supply from the PSU into a smooth, yet responsive power delivery to the CPU as load changes

final barn Jan 8, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Okay thx guys

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I thought it made the cpu better

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Nope

final barn Jan 8, 2020, 2:03 PM

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I have a b450m pro4

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And a friend of mine got a b450 tomahawk

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He said his board got more vrm

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But I did not know what I meant

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Its less about having more, and more about having better handling/cooled VRM

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Again only matters if overclocking, without it and unless you're doing something ridiculous like trying to stick a 3950x on a B450, then you're fine.

small pulsar Jan 8, 2020, 3:58 PM

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I’d the r9 3900x worth the 100$ more over the r7 3800x?

gritty meadow Jan 8, 2020, 3:59 PM

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if you need the 4 extra cores? yes

small pulsar Jan 8, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Welp, fair enough

long geyser Jan 8, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Well the 3800x isn't even worth it cuz 3700x

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So the 3700x is $325 and the 3900x is $500. If the 4 cores are worth $175 then that is up to you and what you do

misty belfry Jan 8, 2020, 4:22 PM

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can't wait for 3900X to hit $300 when zen3 ryzen 9s roll out

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it'll be so affordable

long geyser Jan 8, 2020, 4:23 PM

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I don't see it being $300. Maybe $400

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 4:23 PM

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My next upgrade will be 32 core. Might as well continue my trend of my upgrade path being 1 core > dual core > Quad core > 8 core > 16 core

long geyser Jan 8, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Lol, that's a pricy upgrade path

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64c, 128, 256

misty belfry Jan 8, 2020, 4:24 PM

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$300 is what i think, if it follows the pattern of Zen2 chips after zen3 came out

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er

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 4:24 PM

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I mean, they have 5+ years to make 32 core the same price as 16 core is today

misty belfry Jan 8, 2020, 4:24 PM

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zen+ after zen2 came out

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 4:24 PM

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So Its probably not that pricey

long geyser Jan 8, 2020, 4:25 PM

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More like in the future. Don't see 128c+ being mainstream

misty belfry Jan 8, 2020, 4:26 PM

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also 32 core is gonna be like a thing for mainstream ryzen, not just threadripper for zen3

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they're upping the core counts quite a bit

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R3s with six cores, R5s with 8 cores, R7s with 12 cores probably

long geyser Jan 8, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Six core R3 would be nice for my upgrade that I plan to do soon

misty belfry Jan 8, 2020, 4:28 PM

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it'll also be R3 prices so like

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you might not be able to expect much from the cache and some other thigns

long geyser Jan 8, 2020, 4:29 PM

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But then again, will they do R3? They didnt do R3 for Zen2

misty belfry Jan 8, 2020, 4:29 PM

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they should do R3, there needs to be a budget option

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$200 is not a budget option

long geyser Jan 8, 2020, 4:30 PM

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That was seen for this gen as well. 6c R3 tho it never happened

misty belfry Jan 8, 2020, 4:30 PM

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yeah

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i think they can do it this time around though

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as long as there are 8 core i5s

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er

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lmao

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R5s

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Yeah I was just gonna say

misty belfry Jan 8, 2020, 4:31 PM

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i'm tired, don't bother me

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I'll bother you.

small pulsar Jan 8, 2020, 5:42 PM

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anyone have any idea as to why my cpu hates cod and streaming at the same time lmao

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Are you using an Nvidia GPU to use NVenc to encode your stream, or are you using h264 etc to do it all on CPU?

small pulsar Jan 8, 2020, 5:43 PM

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x264

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 5:43 PM

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AMD GPU?

small pulsar Jan 8, 2020, 5:43 PM

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yeah

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Streaming is probably tanking your CPU then

small pulsar Jan 8, 2020, 5:44 PM

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12 cores here i come

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hopefully thatll fix the issue lol

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Should i upgrade my cpu or my motherboard? I currently have the Arouras b450 wifi and the 2700x.....i want the 3800x and the msi mpg x570 gaming edge wifi

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:24 PM

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There's not so much reason a B450 couldn't cope with a 3800x if you arent overclocking it. Would much prefer the x570's VRM cooling for that. But if not OCing it Id say 3900x is where Id draw the line of "must get an x570"

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:25 PM

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yeah i cant oc past 4.0 on this motherboard and would like to to.

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Why would you upgrade to a 3800x if you wanted to OC? I mean, down the line sure but, seems odd to upgrade to something you feel the need to immediately improve. Could you afford both?

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Also to be fair

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Don't go MSI for x570. It's not a huge blow it up issue but their VRM's get hot. Go Aorus or ASUS for that

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:26 PM

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OCing AMD cpus

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You wont get much better

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Yeah, OC'ing the 3800 more than what PBO does is not likely to happen

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:28 PM

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I can hold out on the processor id like a motherboard that is better than what i currently have because the vrms are bad

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:29 PM

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They might not be the best but you wont get much better (definitely not a noticable amount) by getting a mobo with better VRMs. AMD CPUs just dont OC that much.

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I wonder if silicon lottery has numbers on the 3800x

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Pretty much all the 3700 and above are pretty low lottery numbers

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:29 PM

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i can get 4.2 to post but it just a constant screen flickering ]

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😦

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Hello!

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Less than 1/3rd of 2700X make it that far and are stable. That could be VRM, that could be the CPU, if its not the CPU (it sounds like a VRM issue) its the limit of the CPU anyway

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:31 PM

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20% on the 3800x it looks like

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32% for the 2700x wow

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:32 PM

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The port 3.5m jack on my mother board is not working anymore due to 1000s of uses how would I go about fixing it?

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:32 PM

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not very high

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:32 PM

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3.5mm headphone jack?

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:32 PM

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yeah

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:32 PM

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do you have a front pannel jack?

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:33 PM

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the front 3.5mm is dead also.

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:33 PM

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oof

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Get a cheap sound card.

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If its dead and attached to the mobo, you can't exactly replace it.

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Well, if the front panel is dead and the mobo one is dead, good change the audio circuit is dead

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I agree, sound card time

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:33 PM

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A really cheap PCI sound card to get you some seperate audio io around the back

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:33 PM

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It works but I keep having to turn it around

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it's on the point of commit die.

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:34 PM

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You can get a USB sound card, plug it into a front USB and sit it on top of your PC?

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:34 PM

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oh yeah forgot about those

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:34 PM

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/External-USB-Sound-Card-Adapter-Virtual-3D-Audio-3-5mm-for-PC-Laptop/223535894364?hash=item340bc70f5c:g:0ZIAAOSwEgRdxODu

eBay

External USB Sound Card Adapter Virtual 3D Audio 3.5mm for PC Laptop

Type:USB 3D External Sound Card. Sub-type: USB connector. Interface: USB 2.0. Style:3.5mm audio jack/mic jack. Channels:3D Sound. Audio Ports:3.5 mm Output. Note: Accessory ONLY.

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:34 PM

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anyways any cons of usb?

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:34 PM

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That particular one is probably bollocks but it's an indication of what to look for on your local ebay/amazon whatever

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:34 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Labs-70SB173000000-Sound-Blaster/dp/B06XBZ38ZJ

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Not really.

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:35 PM

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why a 3.5mm then?

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if you can use usb

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:35 PM

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What?

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Because your headphones are 3.5mm?

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Those adapters go from USB to 3.5mm

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Why not just a usb headset?

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:36 PM

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buy a wireless headset?

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:36 PM

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@simple ore That'd require a bluetooth adapter in most cases. Creates the same problem

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:36 PM

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most USB headsets are 3.5mm and come with a USB adapter. Mine did anyway.

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:36 PM

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i have the void pro it come with the dongle

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:36 PM

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You could get a USB headset if you wanted to, but if you get the sound card you can use any headset you currently have that uses a normal 3.5mm jack as well. And you'll always find something

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Ive had USB adapters come with more expensive headsets, never cheap ones. Makes sense.

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:37 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G935-Wireless-DTS-LIGHTSYNC/dp/B07MP4HT95/ref=sr_1_2?crid=20CC70OODOZPW&keywords=logitech+wireless+headset&qid=1578526614&s=electronics&sprefix=logitech+wireless%2Celectronics%2C159&sr=1-2

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Is this too cheap?

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:37 PM

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https://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair-void-pro-rgb-wireless-dolby-7-1-channel-surround-sound-gaming-headset-for-pc-carbon-black/6006505.p?skuId=6006505&ref=212&loc=1&ref=212&loc=1&msclkid=a4fa4e1d49681e2f1922100b2ed33b78&gclid=CJ7XuoWW9eYCFQUqgQodffIFeQ&gclsrc=ds

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the one i have is even cheaper lol

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Is latency a issue?

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Do those use a custom dongle or bluetooth?

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:38 PM

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i done see or hear any

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:39 PM

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So it's not like True wireless earbuds for example.

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:39 PM

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📎 IMG_20200108_173901.jpg

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Ew

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Is that a 3D printer bellow?

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:39 PM

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That's his PC

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:40 PM

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lol

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:40 PM

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or a green microwave?

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Yeah because microwaves have USB and other functional IO

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Check #build-pics

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:41 PM

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A microwave build interesting...

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Is that a 120mm nzxt AIO?

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You have my sympathy.

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:41 PM

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yes i cry every single day

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Can you replace the front io?

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:42 PM

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with a new case

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:42 PM

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fak

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:42 PM

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cheaper to get a new case than a new headset honestly

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or buy the dongle

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:43 PM

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God I wish Bluetooth earbuds were as good as headsets.

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Well, here's the thing. If the front and rear 3.5mm jacks are dead, good chance the mobo audio is dead and a new case won't fix that

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I'd just get a USB to 3.5mm adapter or a USB headset and be done with it lol

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:43 PM

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He aint lying

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:43 PM

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yeah I will.

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Can I just rip a 3.5mm jack off a old mombo and glue in on my current mombo?

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:44 PM

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oh no do not

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I go the HyperX CLoud REvolver and have been happy with it. USB to 3.5mm dongle and regular headset plugs

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No, you can't do that

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Not unless you have good soldering skills

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I've never felt so physically sick as I have just reading that @wary solar

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:44 PM

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^

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the aio does cool well for what it is

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:45 PM

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I have some hours of soldering skills just about 3 years I think.

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:46 PM

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if you brick it its nmp lol

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:46 PM

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I might as well attempt it.

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Still, in my opinion, if the jack isn't physically deformed, and the front panel is also dead, the motherboard audio is dead

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No amount of soldering will fix it

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:46 PM

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buy new parts to fix the mombo

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:46 PM

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You're going to need to solder on a new audio IC. Not gonna happen without specialized equipment

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Im assuming since you're complaining about your headphone socket being broken you have 3.5mm headphones to plug into them currently. The easiest and cheapest way you can fix it is to buy something like a USB sound card for literally $7 or something, stick it in your front USB port, and youll have a headphone jack on the front of your machine again for no effort and very little cost.

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https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-External-Adapter-Windows-AU-MMSA/dp/B00IRVQ0F8/ref=sxin_2_ac_d_pm?ac_md=1-0-VW5kZXIgJDEw-ac_d_pm&cv_ct_cx=usb+sound+card&keywords=usb+sound+card&pd_rd_i=B00IRVQ0F8&pd_rd_r=49095d92-8ad3-4332-a929-656b4466ef0a&pd_rd_w=vwDHc&pd_rd_wg=AeTVz&pf_rd_p=709d2064-e546-4799-9e66-b352ea89951f&pf_rd_r=V264KAS352FPR9XJ0CWB&psc=1&qid=1578527197

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:47 PM

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it's a $800 Mombo though.

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 11:47 PM

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i agree with plusnomad

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little to no effort

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:48 PM

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https://www.amazon.ca/ROG-Maximus-XI-Extreme-Motherboard/dp/B07JVGGXNL/ref=asc_df_B07JVGGXNL/?tag=bingshopdesk-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=&hvpos=&hvnetw=o&hvrand=&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583795266037346&psc=1

simple ore Jan 8, 2020, 11:48 PM

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RMA?

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Oohhhh yeah

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you're not soldering a jack on that one

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RMA or USB audio

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:49 PM

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That mobo is old.

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And he says thousands of plugs in and out of the headphone jack

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So Im assuming it was bought new... a long time ago.

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:49 PM

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45years ago

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:49 PM

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This is literally top of the list of cons on a review of it:

elfin warren Jan 8, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Yeah, USB or add in sound card time

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:49 PM

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📎 unknown.png

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:50 PM

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I might upgrade to a newer model.

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Meh at that point Id wait until you could afford to do a whole new build.

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Would this be a worthwhile upgrade?

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https://www.amazon.ca/Acer-3690-5680-Motherboard-MB-AFL02-001/dp/B00PLCG4B6/ref=sr_1_437?keywords=motherboard&qid=1578527714&s=electronics&sr=1-437

restive wedge Jan 8, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Now I reckon you're trolling

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Did flightsimulator change his name?

wary solar Jan 8, 2020, 11:56 PM

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who's flightsimulator

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Anyways I'm not who your thinking about but sorry for being annyoing

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I'm just tried sorry for being annyoing

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😴

broken hazel Jan 8, 2020, 11:59 PM

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your not annoying

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what made you think that

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Would you guys say the x570 phantom gaming X is a good mb for the price

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Yes, that's a good $150 x570 board

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Oh wait, that's a $300 board lol

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Um, lemme check

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Heh

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Yeah, has INtel WiFI that's a good one

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Alright

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Plenty of RGB too lol

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 12:23 AM

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it is a very good board

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but idk if i would pay $300 for it

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Yeah, but the issue with a good brand in that price inflates

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 12:24 AM

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ahh unicorn vomit

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yeah

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Or at least a popular brand

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Best $200 board is the ASUS TUF WiFi

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Im aware of the tuf

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 12:25 AM

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i would go for the tuf

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:25 AM

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This is the thing that at some point when 4000 ryzens get cheap, or at least come out, I'll use those

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And then lastly, if it's still relevant enough

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Get a monoblock for it and water cool it

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If they exist

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:27 AM

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I'm just full on the TUF Plus train for X570

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Primarily just because I bought one.

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:27 AM

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I've got the x570 TUF WiFI

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amazing quality and features for $200

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Obviously I bought it because I believed it to be the best

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:27 AM

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I think I only paid like $150 though? Sale or something?

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Here its £185 with wifi and 163 without

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Which is strange

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Eh

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Have you seen the 9700K prices

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It gets more expensive if you take out the integrated graphics

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:28 AM

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In the UK, usually prices are the same numbers, so a $700 GTX 2080S is £700 here, obviously £1 = $1.3 it's 30% more, but for some reason this mobo specifically seems cheaper

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RTX*

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Not sure where the G slipped in

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Force of habit?

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Ive been staring at my RTX 2080S and box since it arrived 8 hours ago. I should know the letter by now.

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:29 AM

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A RTX 2080S is usually $750

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Heh

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Goddamnit

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Rtx

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Eh, nope. It was $199

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:29 AM

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I checked PCPP's US prices today, the EVGA 2080S XC was $704 or something.

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Here I'll check the one I'm getting

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715

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Well within a 2% margin of error, the numbers are basically the same

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It applies to everything

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Yah

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So when this thing is finally ready

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What should I do with my old laptop

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:31 AM

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So the 3950x, prices converted, cost me an extra $200 or so than what it'd cost someone in the US. Which sucks but.

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:31 AM

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3950x is kind of dumb

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Use your old laptop for laptop things like portable work? And then use your desktop PC as an actual PC.

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Just get a 3700x

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:31 AM

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You'll discover you had no reason to get a laptop in the first place that way though as youll never find a use for it

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Well I say old

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But honestly

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The CPU is decent

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8550U

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4 cores

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I think 1.9 ghz

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Ew

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Oh scratch thay

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It's bad

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The "gpu" is worse

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:32 AM

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There are plenty of reasons to get a 3950x over 3700x

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:32 AM

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It's a Radeon 530

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Like?

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:33 AM

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You dont encounter those reasons if your purpose is just mainly gaming and watching youtube though.

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Only for video editing and such

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But at this point you would probably be better going with one of the cheaper threadrippers

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Not that 3990X

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Actually, I'm a civil engineer. Some of the topology programs for rendering landscapes based on data are pretty brutal. Especially things involving ground water physics. Things like CAD arent even relevant.

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Okay maybe the 3990x if you have the budget

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:34 AM

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There arent really any threadrippers better than the 3950x that are cheaper, even old models. Particularly if you want to be gaming on the side.

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:35 AM

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I mean if I'm paying 4000 bucks for a CPU it better damn well be better

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64 cores

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Well, hence why I said cheaper

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Isn't even released

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But yeah, threadrippers are okay unless you get the best of the best

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:36 AM

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For example a cheaper alternative would be a 1950x, but the cost for a used mobo for that is still extremely high, not making it that much of a cheaper option, as well as having a max boost clock of 4ghz, I like the 3950x's boost clock of 4.7 for the prospect of having a gaming suitable workstation

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A CPU that can adapt to that high of clocks on fewer cores dynamically whilst supporting many cores is what makes the 3950X perfect for that kind of purpose

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Yeah. You need to do heavy work, but you don't need to do them at a ridiculously high speed

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:38 AM

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And need that speed on a few cores for gaming.

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To be fair I still wouldnt mind a 1950x if I could get the mobo cheap.

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Id love to make one hell of a rig on that just to give to my brother or sell on

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 12:41 AM

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How do I take out the USB cable out of this(forgot the name of the cooler)

📎 JPEG_20200108_194124.jpg

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Wraith prism.

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Yeah that

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Couldnt remember if it was spire or prism

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How do I get the cable unplugged

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Pretty sure that's hardwired to the controller

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Or the board

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:43 AM

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If you mean the board, its just probably stiff

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 12:43 AM

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I plugged it into the thing myself, I just want it back out

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:43 AM

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By "thing" you mean?

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Oohhhh

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:43 AM

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The cable into the mobo?

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 12:43 AM

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No, out of the cooler itself or is it just there

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Or the cable into the cooler?

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Yes

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:43 AM

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I thought the cable into the cooler doesn't come out

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Lemme check mine

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brb

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 12:44 AM

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That's the power cable

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:44 AM

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3950x didnt come with a cooler (sadly).

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 12:44 AM

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This is the USB cable for it

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:44 AM

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ya

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Do I just pull it out

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With force

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:44 AM

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yes

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It'll pop out

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:45 AM

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I mean, try and grab it by the connector if you can not the cable itself

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Done

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Thx

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:45 AM

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yw

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:45 AM

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If I made a "techie" tier list Id put bekora at like Tier A+ tied with S.

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:46 AM

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lulz

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I physically had that cooler on hand to check it

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else I wouldn't know

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:47 AM

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I only make machines based on things I know. Its only when I make one for myself I expand into things I don't because I dont mind messing up something for myself as much as for others.

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Same for me and fabbing metal parts in my shop

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 12:48 AM

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I'd rather be a computer guy than a civil engineer.

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Maybe when I get the money stash back up again I could make it a hobby.

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Because it doesn't feel like it's going in

dusk oracle Jan 9, 2020, 2:01 AM

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It is a RGB connector

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 2:02 AM

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So it goes there

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With the arrow on the left

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Nvm it just went in

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Manuel is helpful

dusk oracle Jan 9, 2020, 2:02 AM

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If i recall the arrow part on the connector anyways is for the 12v

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which if you plug it in the wrong way might not work to could break something

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:11 AM

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should i go witha amd ryzen 5 3600 or a 3600x is there a noticeable diffrents in performance

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:13 AM

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3600x is VERY SLIGHTLY better in terms of performance, so depends on price

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:13 AM

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3600x has higher clocks and does perform a bit better.

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:13 AM

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i know but will i notice it

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is it worth the extra 30

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:14 AM

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But yeah, depends on price like 1111 said

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:14 AM

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no

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:14 AM

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or could i just oc the 3600

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:14 AM

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like that would be like a 15% increase in price for <10% performance at best

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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ok

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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oc the 3600 if you could

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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ok im just trying to figure out the perfect set of hardware i should get see if the diffrents in price is worth it

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I'm not too sure but I would be expecting like 2-3% performance difference, but I havnt really looked at it too much

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:15 AM

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but could i get the 3600x and oc that for even more performance

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:16 AM

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well 3600x is just a better binned 3600..

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Not a lot of headroom to OC X processors.

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:16 AM

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^

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:16 AM

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ok

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so get the 3600 and oc it

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and it will probably performe just as well as the 3600x and save me 30 bucks

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:17 AM

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basically

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:17 AM

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ok

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:17 AM

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tho OCing always depends on the silicon lottery so its iffy

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:17 AM

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whats the silicon lottery

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im very new to this kind of stuff

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Its called a lottery because you don't know how good the silicon inside your chip is before you test it

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:18 AM

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ok

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:19 AM

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like who knows, I could on one hand get a CPU that can OC to 10ghz (just an example), or on the other get one that can't OC much over the boost clock.

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:19 AM

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ok so are all 3600s the same and all 2600s are the same or is EVERY cpu diffrent

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:19 AM

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every single 3600 is slightly different

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:19 AM

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ohh

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so i could see someone oc it and it will be ALOT better and mine could go just a little over

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:20 AM

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usually you would have like one thats stable at say 4.3ghz and another at 4.4ghz, so not too much variation

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:20 AM

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ok makes more sense now

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:20 AM

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(I'm saying the usual is like 0.1 0.2 difference between the average chip)

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:20 AM

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ok

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:20 AM

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but there is always the possibility of winning the "lottery" and getting one thats amazing

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:21 AM

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ok i get it now

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thanks

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:21 AM

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like theres stuff like this
https://siliconlottery.com/

Silicon Lottery

Silicon Lottery - Powerful Overclocked Intel & AMD Ryzen CPUs

Binned Intel and AMD CPUs available at siliconlottery.com! The CPUs we sell are thoroughly tested for their maximum overclocking potential, so you know exactly what you're getting.

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that picks out and bins tested good CPUs

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but usually expensive af

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 3:22 AM

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For my MSI b450 going max plus, the cpu power is 8 pin but my power cable is 2 x 4pins but only one can fit in the plug. What do I do

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:22 AM

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and do you think a 3600 is fine to be oc on a b45o tomahawk max with a be quiet pure rock cpu cooler

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brb

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Deathpony, wdym?

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Swap them around?

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Both should fit

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Magic spoon, you won't get too much, but you can def get a slight OC

fathom tulip Jan 9, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Do I put the 2 x 4 pin in the psu and the 8 pin in the mobo

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Is that what you mean

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:23 AM

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(quick look at the cooler doesnt look too great but Idk the benchmarks for it)

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Try that OR swap the position of the 4 pin plugs. SOmetimes they are tabbed to fit together a certain way

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Bekora you know that cooler well?

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:24 AM

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im back

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ok mr1111

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Which cooler?

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Stock Spire?

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:25 AM

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the bequiet pure rock

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for a 3600

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:26 AM

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It'd be good for the 3600

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:26 AM

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could i oc the 3600

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Probably

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:26 AM

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ok

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:26 AM

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At least a little bit, maybe a lot

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:27 AM

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ok

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:27 AM

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I would assume this might be semi-accurate, give and take a few degrees, so it should be just fine

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broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:28 AM

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ok

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:28 AM

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How much is that cooler?

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I didn't price check

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:29 AM

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what one

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the be quiet

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its like $40

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:30 AM

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AH, in that case, I'd go Scythe Mugen Rev B for an extra $8

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:30 AM

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ok

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have you had hands on experiance with the scythe cooler

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Hands on? No, but I trust Gamers Nexus reviews

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I personally use an AIO for cooling

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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oh i dont watch gn but i should

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ok

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:35 AM

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I should start watching more GN reviews

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they do some good tests

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:36 AM

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yeah there very good

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:36 AM

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If you can stand Steve monotone

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:36 AM

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i just like more comedy

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Exactly, I need a little more freshness in my reviews but techinically the man is amazing

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:36 AM

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at first when I first saw the vids I couldn't stand the monotone :p

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but now im more into PC building and parts I can stand it

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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yeah

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Yeah, he tries some cracks every once in a while but it's like the Sahara.......super dry

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 3:38 AM

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I like listening to stuff like LTT in the background and sometimes I just cant tell da hecc hes talking about from GN bc its so monotone

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my mind just feels like its just background noise

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Sometimes I watch Steve to fall asleep LMAO

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 3:40 AM

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lol

bold snow Jan 9, 2020, 6:05 AM

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hi all! I'm having some ram issues and wanted to see if anyone here could possibly help me out with it.

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 6:24 AM

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im sorry i have no clue but i do wish you luck with it

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is something wrong with the ram

heady hare Jan 9, 2020, 6:28 AM

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So my friend just got a Z390 Aorus Pro Wifi but there's a slight problem, I was hoping someone on here could help. Anytime we plug it all in, double check the cords and then connect it to the PSU, it flashes. It was working for a little then just stopped. It no longer turns on fully. Anytime we unplug the PSU then put it back in it will flash the lights but nothing else. Any advice?

copper badge Jan 9, 2020, 7:41 AM

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@heady hare Have you checked the manual? It might be an indicator

naive pendant Jan 9, 2020, 11:59 AM

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Okok, Aorus z390 pro boards have been giving me a lot of issues to, so I'm assuming it's starting up and off over and over again?

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because if so, I would say remove the front panel connectors and try to jumpstart it because that can work sometimes

stiff kraken Jan 9, 2020, 12:08 PM

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my ryzen 5 3600X is running at up to 1.45V with no overclock

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i thought these chips were supposed to run at like 1.275?

naive pendant Jan 9, 2020, 12:34 PM

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How have you checked your clock speed?

haughty zinc Jan 9, 2020, 4:36 PM

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What motherboard would yall recommend for a ryzen 9 3900x and a 2080ti, it would be well appreciated thanks yall

mild jackal Jan 9, 2020, 4:40 PM

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x570 master, taichi, or crosshair 8 hero

inner oar Jan 9, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Is there a big difference between 3200 and 3600 RAM?

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Not big, a few percent performance difference for ryzen tho

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Bit more than a few.

terse needle Jan 9, 2020, 5:34 PM

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B450-a pro max or b450-vdh max?

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 5:49 PM

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It wont boost your perf 20%, but the difference is quite visable.

red merlin Jan 9, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Is the AMD Athlon 3000G good for gaming without a graphics card

lusty wren Jan 9, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Maybe pushing 5 fps in roblox

long geyser Jan 9, 2020, 7:12 PM

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That depends on your definition of "good" and "gaming". As the iGPU that is supplied in that CPU is really bad compared to any modern dGPU. However for the price you'd have a hard time getting better. Also the games really matter as perf from CSGO to RDR2 will be vastly different.

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 7:16 PM

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is 650w enough for a 3700x and a rx 5700xt

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Would consider it slightly overkill.

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 7:17 PM

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ok 600

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 7:17 PM

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600 is pretty good. 550W is when Id say you're getting a bit too close to be able to afford much space for any OCing or upgrades

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 7:18 PM

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ok so 600 is enough for the cpu gpu and a little bit of ov for the cpu

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Yeah or a GPU upgrade in the future

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For example the 2080S had a 25W higher TDP, perhaps in a couple of years we might see some 300W TDP GPUs become more ocmmon place.

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common*

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 7:21 PM

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ok

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thanks plus

mild jackal Jan 9, 2020, 7:24 PM

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I'd focus on looking for deals vs dialing in exactly the the wattage you need - such a number will always have a wide confidence interval.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/

つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Low prices take my energy つ ◕_◕ ༽つ ...

A community for links to products that are on sale at various websites. Monitors, cables, processors, video cards, fans, cooling, cases,...

broken hazel Jan 9, 2020, 7:25 PM

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ok

inner oar Jan 9, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Is this bad timing for memory? 19-20-20-40.

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Yes.

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CL18 is kind of the minimum.

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CL16 3600mhz is the desired ram if with a 3000 series CPU.

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Yeah, don't go more than 18

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Given by every benchmark Ive seen the best estimate from CL16 to CL18 3600mhz ram is something like 5 frames when CPU bottlenecked when in the 100-140 range.

inner oar Jan 9, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Oof. That's the timing for the red G. Skill rip Jaws. The black is 16-19-19-39.

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 10:06 PM

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So its not gonna be that noticable but nice to have if you can pick up CL16 for only a bit more than 18.

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The red ripjaws are old, arent they?

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I dont remember them doing a modern one.

inner oar Jan 9, 2020, 10:07 PM

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That sucks. Guess I'll stick to the black ones then.

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 10:07 PM

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I went with Viper steel

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CL17, with hopes I can OC to Cl16 but I wont worry if I cant.

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Wait

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I went with viper blackout 4

inner oar Jan 9, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Viper is the brand?

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Patriot is the brand, Viper is.. I dont even know

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I want to say its a model but as far as I can tell all their ram is called viper

inner oar Jan 9, 2020, 10:10 PM

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This is going to be my first build, so I'm not even familiar with what the good brands are.

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Not much in the way of bad brands in ram to be fair, DOA is not that uncommon and RMA should be easy regardless

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On PCPP filter by CL16, 3600mhz, 2x8gb sticks if you wanted 16gb which Im assuming you do and sort by the lowest price first. The usual way I work out

inner oar Jan 9, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Will do.

stiff kraken Jan 9, 2020, 10:12 PM

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@naive pendant it's running at 4.6-4.8GHz with nothing but PBO

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Pratical boat owner?

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Oh, boost.

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 10:12 PM

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I dont like the team vulcan ram

stiff kraken Jan 9, 2020, 10:13 PM

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was asking yesterday why my ryzen is automatically using so much voltage

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I've seen people say even 1.3 can be unsafe depending on your chip

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Lol

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Up to 1.5v is fine

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 10:14 PM

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I wouldn't say that, 1.35 even for all core overclocks seems to be the highest stable voltage you can get away with, without damaging your CPU. 1.3 is not bad.

stiff kraken Jan 9, 2020, 10:14 PM

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my cpu is going to 1.45 with PBO

elfin warren Jan 9, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Ya, that's normal

stiff kraken Jan 9, 2020, 10:15 PM

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also bekora since I talked to you about case fan before

inner oar Jan 9, 2020, 10:15 PM

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@restive wedge the black g.skill is the cheapest with those constraints.

stiff kraken Jan 9, 2020, 10:16 PM

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my temps don't go above 80 even with overclocks do I still need to add a case fan?

hollow thorn Jan 9, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I think I'm sitting at 1.35v for my 4.3ghz all core

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Or 1.375v

stiff kraken Jan 9, 2020, 10:16 PM

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eating 1.45 at 4.6ghz all core

restive wedge Jan 9, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Nothing wrong with Gskill

stiff kraken Jan 9, 2020, 10:17 PM

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i went with some cheap oloy ram that was on sale

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running stable at 3733mhz with it

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i saw a lot of people online asking if oloy is sus or not lmao

simple ore Jan 10, 2020, 1:00 AM

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newegg.com/amp/p/1VK-0020-00241

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Can anyone tell me what motherboard is in this PC. I have a client wanting to upgrade processors and I need to know if it's going to support the 2700x

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 1:01 AM

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AMD FX processor

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SO that's a no

simple ore Jan 10, 2020, 1:02 AM

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No it's a 1600

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Oh, in the link it says AMD FX

hollow thorn Jan 10, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Lemme see if I can find anything

simple ore Jan 10, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I've been looking. Someone had a b350 bazooka but that's the only thing I've found.

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R5 1600. I think new egg has to update the description on that one.

hollow thorn Jan 10, 2020, 1:08 AM

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@simple ore I don't think its the b350 bazooka bc the PC has wifi, and b350 bazooka doesn't have integrated wifi, and I'm not seeing a wifi card in the newegg listing

simple ore Jan 10, 2020, 1:09 AM

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it has a pcie wifi card

hollow thorn Jan 10, 2020, 1:09 AM

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ahh

simple ore Jan 10, 2020, 1:09 AM

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im trying to talk them through the steps to the system information tab 🙄

hollow thorn Jan 10, 2020, 1:10 AM

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ah

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b350 bazooka does have the right amount of stuff

simple ore Jan 10, 2020, 1:11 AM

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The person just wants to game and knows nothing about computers...

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Have you tried the mainboard section of CPU-Z?

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that should reveal the chipset at least

simple ore Jan 10, 2020, 1:12 AM

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I dont have the system in hand im chatting with them to get the information

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Have them run CPU-Z

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Click the Mainboard tab

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Super easy

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https://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/cpu-z_1.91-en.exe

DOWNLOADING CPU-Z_1.91-EN.EXE | CPUID

System information software

hollow thorn Jan 10, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Looking at the boards

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they look pretty similar

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b350m and the listing

simple ore Jan 10, 2020, 1:15 AM

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you think 200 is too much for me to sale a 2700x and nzxt m22? BTW IT IS NOT FOR SALE.

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it is the msi 350m bazooka as we suspected

hollow thorn Jan 10, 2020, 1:18 AM

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no

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it seems fine

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like 180 or so would be a used price for 2700x, like 60 maybe for that cooler

simple ore Jan 10, 2020, 1:20 AM

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yeah i price things reasonable unlike other people online once you use it the value goes way down just like a car and people dont realize it

broken hazel Jan 10, 2020, 2:01 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4D7v6h/msi-x470-gaming-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-gaming-plus

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i did find an x570 board

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 2:02 AM

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I don't recommend MSI boards

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ASRock or ASUS

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for x570

broken hazel Jan 10, 2020, 2:03 AM

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why is that

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 2:03 AM

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MSI VRM's get hot with an AIO

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Like, really hot

broken hazel Jan 10, 2020, 2:03 AM

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ok whos dont

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Since the CPu fan isn't there to cool them down

hollow thorn Jan 10, 2020, 2:03 AM

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and thats why you go air ;)

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Well, the competition is 80 degrees and MSI is 120+ C

hollow thorn Jan 10, 2020, 2:03 AM

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lol

broken hazel Jan 10, 2020, 2:04 AM

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oof

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 2:05 AM

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indeed. i don't throw stuff under the bus lightly, I'm pretty brand agnostic for the most part

broken hazel Jan 10, 2020, 2:05 AM

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who makes good x570s

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 2:05 AM

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ASUS and SRock

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ASRock

broken hazel Jan 10, 2020, 2:05 AM

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ok what do you think about this one

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/McfFf7/asus-prime-x570-p-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-x570-p

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 2:05 AM

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ASsrock Phantom is the cheapest X570 I recommend

broken hazel Jan 10, 2020, 2:06 AM

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this one iws 130

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 2:06 AM

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Yah, that'll work

broken hazel Jan 10, 2020, 2:06 AM

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ok

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 2:06 AM

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I always forget about the prime

broken hazel Jan 10, 2020, 2:06 AM

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ahh

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again you helped me when i needed it

prisma spoke Jan 10, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Which is better for the value: ryzen 5 1600 for $85 or ryzen 5 2600 for $115

muted roost Jan 10, 2020, 7:57 AM

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2600

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Unless its the 1600 AF

naive pendant Jan 10, 2020, 8:14 AM

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i have a question do you guys think i have any issues with it? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nLyFgJ

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i have cpu already and motherboard is coming today

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 8:18 AM

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You mean the ram? Not in particular

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Tf are you doing with that mchine?

naive pendant Jan 10, 2020, 8:20 AM

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3d rendering

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i had 3950x but it was costing me money and time so i switch

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over to TR

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@restive wedge yeah i was meaning ram sorry

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Anyone know any good mid range budget cpus and mobos, I wanna give my father a present, at the moment he has an fx4300 and what I’m looking at is a r5 2600, b450 tomahawk mobo, and 2x8 ddr4 ram

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 1:48 PM

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@lusty rose It seems you've already made your mind up?

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Well I don’t know if there’s any better options money or performance wise

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Since its 2000 series you dont need to worry about mattise ready bios if you dont have an old CPU to update it with. So you can go for most B450s. Im assuming you arent planning to OC?

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Yeah I’m not

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Are you focusing on a micro ATX build? Because you can get a decent micro ATX mobo for very cheap.

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You can still use a micro atx mobo in a full sized case if thats what you were after

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Well his pc is just an ATX

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 1:51 PM

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So you're keeping his case and replacing parts or making a whole new build?

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Replacing parts

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Then the cheapest full B450 you can go for that honestly isnt too bad is the Asroc Fatal1ty. You could still go micro atx just might look a bit odd.

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 1:53 PM

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His case doesn’t have a very large glass side panel so I might, just as long as it has all the ports he needs

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 1:54 PM

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I've heard the ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 is pretty decent for all but VRM temps, but that only matters if you're OCing if its a 2600.

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 1:54 PM

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It’s not so I’ll look into it

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Just sorting by the cheapest and picking out ones I know are decent and checking the tier list, The Gigabyte B450M DS3H is rated in the middle of three B450 tiers,

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Which has 4 ram slots

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Wait do you know any good work cpus that support ddr3

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Some older intel ones might be "fine"

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Like the i7 4790k is "fine"

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Im not sure its a significant upgrade though

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And just depends on your ability to get one used

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Anything that uses DDR3 isn't worth putting money into anymore.

obsidian lagoon Jan 10, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Anyone know any good mid range budget mobos?

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 3:46 PM

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The better B450s are pretty much the mid range now.

obsidian lagoon Jan 10, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Alright

misty belfry Jan 10, 2020, 5:16 PM

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there are some lower x570s that... i forget which is okay

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 5:17 PM

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ASUS Prime is like $130

misty belfry Jan 10, 2020, 5:20 PM

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the Prime-P or whatever it was

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i honestly wish i'd have gotten that and went with a full ATX case

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because i wouldn't get a 3rd gen CPU by then, but I could get one later and take advantage of PCIe 4.0

naive pendant Jan 10, 2020, 5:24 PM

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@restive wedge what range is my motherboard

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 5:25 PM

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50 feet? I don't know what you're on about.

naive pendant Jan 10, 2020, 5:26 PM

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how good is my motherboard for gaming

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just for gaming

restive wedge Jan 10, 2020, 5:27 PM

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I have no idea how to answer that

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Motherboard has zero effect on gaming. That's all on your RAM/CPU/GPU.

naive pendant Jan 10, 2020, 5:28 PM

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oh

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 5:29 PM

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motherboard is features/connections you want. The rest is up to the components.

naive pendant Jan 10, 2020, 5:29 PM

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so the 3600mhz will keep my processor at max speed

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 5:29 PM

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It will keep part of your processor at max speed, yes

naive pendant Jan 10, 2020, 5:30 PM

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and thats a good thing

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 5:31 PM

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yes

misty belfry Jan 10, 2020, 5:39 PM

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note that AMD says to meet the standard of gen3 ryzen's IF you just need 3200

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even the 3900/3950X both say this on the customer info pages

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they state the RAM speed as 3200, which i assume is recommended

naive pendant Jan 10, 2020, 5:44 PM

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mines 3700x

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Nah

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anything 3700x and above should be 3600mhz to match the infinity fabric speed

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Slower ram = slower infinity fabric

inner oar Jan 10, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Where do you find the infinity fabric speed?

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 6:11 PM

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It's half of the ram speed for the processor.

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SO if the max ram speed of your processor is 3200mhz, it's 1600mhz

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 6:17 PM

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So wait the r7 2700x right, is 2933mhz ram good for it?

elfin warren Jan 10, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Yes

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I think it maxes at 3200 mhz but it might be 3000. Have to check.

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 7:20 PM

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i thought it maxes at 2933 cause i was looking at it and it had the 2933mhz on its name

lime quartz Jan 10, 2020, 9:11 PM

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@lusty rose oh my god linus is that you!? 👀

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 9:12 PM

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no : (

lime quartz Jan 10, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Aaaaw

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also should I wait for 10th gen Intel CPUs or get a 3700x anyways?

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 9:12 PM

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its a fan account

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depends on your budget really

lime quartz Jan 10, 2020, 9:14 PM

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$1700 atm

lusty rose Jan 10, 2020, 10:05 PM

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entire pc?

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or just for cpu,mobo,ram

hollow thorn Jan 10, 2020, 10:08 PM

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I have a 3800x for ~1700$

mild jackal Jan 10, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Carifying a few things -

memory clock -mCLK - is half of the speed we're often familiar with e.g. "3600mhz XMP ram" , DDR4 transfers data twice per clock ,so 3600MHz XMP or something is more precisely 3600 MT/s - you can usually tell what someone means from context, but 3600 MT/s or dram clock (1800) MHZ is unambiguous.

The infinity fabric clock is difficult to push past 1800 MHz, often nearly impossible, but 99%+ chips do 1800 just fine

Ideally, and for simplicity sake you want to run your memory clock 1:1 ratio to fabric so 3600MT/s ram = 1800MHz mclk = 1800MHz fCLK , all good

fleet inlet Jan 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

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When building a PC, is buying a Micro-ATX board a good way to save some money (instead of ATX) ? If I get a decent one I’ll get 1 M.2 slot and 4 RAM slots and that’s all I need - but is the VRM fine ? Heatsinks ? Idk much about that

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Also, I already have a mid tower, will the pc feel "empty" ?

lusty rose Jan 11, 2020, 12:19 AM

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i can answer the second part,

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yes in my opinion

fleet inlet Jan 11, 2020, 12:19 AM

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They are definitely cheaper in my country and all I need is performance and slight upgradability of the rig so maybe I could cheap out on the MB and get a better CPU/GPU for example

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Maybe if I fill the PC up with fans and funko pops it’ll be less empty 😂

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And if I get a good looking MB

fleet inlet Jan 11, 2020, 12:55 AM

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I was thinking about getting a B450M steel legend

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Since it can support 3rd gen

spring terrace Jan 11, 2020, 1:06 AM

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should i go with the x570 aorus ultra if its about 40 usd cheaper than the taichi

prisma spoke Jan 11, 2020, 2:46 AM

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When will the r5 1600 af come out?

fleet inlet Jan 11, 2020, 2:50 AM

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It’s already out @prisma spoke

prisma spoke Jan 11, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Where can I buy it?

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I searched on Amazon and Newegg

fleet inlet Jan 11, 2020, 2:52 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-YD1600BBAFBOX/dp/B07XTQZJ28

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Think this is it

prisma spoke Jan 11, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Wtf. It just says 1600

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Where’s the “af”

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That’s whack

muted roost Jan 11, 2020, 2:58 AM

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It’s in the model number

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YD1600BBAEBOX is the old 1600 or the AE

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YD1600BBAFBOX is the new AF

fleet inlet Jan 11, 2020, 3:22 AM

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BB AF BOX

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@prisma spoke

potent dew Jan 11, 2020, 3:32 AM

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So my mobo has Channel A and Channel B for RAM

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Does it matter which one I use?

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Both of them are dual Channel

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📎 JPEG_20200110_203347.jpg

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Can anyone help?

split copper Jan 11, 2020, 3:34 AM

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if you have two dims, use 1 and 2 I think

potent dew Jan 11, 2020, 3:34 AM

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And then the table shows different?

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Okay

split copper Jan 11, 2020, 3:35 AM

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looks like you could also go the 3 and 4 route too I guess

potent dew Jan 11, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Yeah but will that in the way of the way of The Wraith spire?

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Nvm

misty belfry Jan 11, 2020, 3:44 AM

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what's the deal with the AF and AE processors in the first gen ryzen chips

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curious

elfin warren Jan 11, 2020, 3:54 AM

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AF is two extra cores

quaint current Jan 11, 2020, 3:54 AM

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AF is 12nm

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AE is 14, like normal first gen ones

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AF is basically a 2600 with a lower clock

potent dew Jan 11, 2020, 4:10 AM

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How do you take a motherboard standoffs out?

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My case has two in there that don't work with ATX

muted roost Jan 11, 2020, 4:16 AM

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The case usually provides a tool to get them out

sharp blaze Jan 11, 2020, 4:21 AM

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you want a2 and b2. empty/ram/empty/ram

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@muted roost

muted roost Jan 11, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Wrong ping

sharp blaze Jan 11, 2020, 4:38 AM

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@potent dew that was for you earlier I pinged the wrong person

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a2 b2

potent dew Jan 11, 2020, 4:59 AM

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I have it in 1 and 3

sharp blaze Jan 11, 2020, 5:53 AM

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that will work but the ideal slots for your board are a2 and b2 which is empty/ram/empty/ram

potent dew Jan 11, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Okay so I have this cable that needs a 3 pin

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And I don't see and three pin ports that doesn't have a clip

elfin warren Jan 11, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Fan cable?

potent dew Jan 11, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Yeah

elfin warren Jan 11, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Motherboard has fan headers

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it goes there

potent dew Jan 11, 2020, 3:25 PM

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There are two things marked as 8 and the manual says DLED_V_SW1/DLED_V_SW2

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Are those the headers?

elfin warren Jan 11, 2020, 3:25 PM

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No. It goes to something like CHAS_FAN or CPU_FAN if it goes to the CPU cooler

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The ones on the moerboard are probably 4 pin

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But the 3 pin fits, line it up with the clip

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Also, your manual will tell you where they go

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and where the fan headers are

potent dew Jan 11, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Oh I just say that and was about to ask lol

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Also since these fans have RGB where do I plug them into to the motherboard to sync?

elfin warren Jan 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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RGB header

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another 4 pin socket

potent dew Jan 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Oh

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Okay thx

elfin warren Jan 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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YW

tardy kiln Jan 11, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Did i do damage to my mobo please help

gritty meadow Jan 11, 2020, 10:41 PM

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looks like it is "just" the surface layer you have scratched

tardy kiln Jan 11, 2020, 10:41 PM

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So its fine? @gritty meadow

gritty meadow Jan 11, 2020, 10:41 PM

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in theory, yes.

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in reality? you will know when you turn it on

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for what it is worth, i have seen way worse scratches where the system was fine

tardy kiln Jan 11, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Ok thank you

fathom tulip Jan 11, 2020, 10:45 PM

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So what does it mean when I'm playing a game and then my screen turns of but my fans are still lspinning with a red CPU light on mobo

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Could it be the cpu power cable isn't in all the way after being jostled (because yesterday and earlier today it was fine)

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And the temps were like 65°C

fathom tulip Jan 11, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Cable wasn't plugged in all the way

latent sail Jan 12, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Hey can i use raspberry pi 2 b model to stream mobile games to youtube any one plz help

fleet inlet Jan 12, 2020, 6:50 AM

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I don’t know about that one but #general-chat #electronics someone might know

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 4:16 PM

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what is a good motherboard that can fit the i9 extreme ? (my uncle might give me one he has laying around)

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 5:12 PM

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will a 3600mhz work with a ryzen 3000 series

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i empty my cart because i had to order a modem

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and i forgot to write down my parts and i got the other parts back in my cart i just forgot the ram i had

quaint current Jan 12, 2020, 5:45 PM

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yeah

vagrant mist Jan 12, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Will this work? B450M Pro4 with Ryzen 5 2600X and 3200mHz Team T-Force memory

restive wedge Jan 12, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Nothing particularly wrong with any of that.

vagrant mist Jan 12, 2020, 6:21 PM

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That's good

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Thanks!

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 7:12 PM

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what is a good mobo that fits an i9 extreme

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Hello so i am have a little issues with my motherboard it’s trx40 creator from MSI thing I having issues with cold boot

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Everything is stable i am running cpu at stock and memory tested 3600 for 24hrs and had no issues

delicate bolt Jan 12, 2020, 7:49 PM

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does anyone know much about the ASrock B450M?

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it's the mobo in a pc that's arriving soon

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and i need to know if i ought to replace it or not

bright cape Jan 12, 2020, 8:06 PM

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@delicate bolt I have the pro4 variant and have not outgrown it. I do not overclock much but did a pci passthrough vm with it and didn't find it's groupings particularly got in my way. Have been considering getting an x470 for the built in WiFi and overclock potential but these are all fun things and the b450m has not been a bottleneck for me.

delicate bolt Jan 12, 2020, 8:07 PM

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i dont seek OC potential, i just need to know that the mobo is good and will utilize a ryzen 5 3600 and 2060 Super

bright cape Jan 12, 2020, 8:07 PM

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It should

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 8:08 PM

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most b450s boards are fine for 3 gen its only when moving up towards 3900x,3950x it gets ify

delicate bolt Jan 12, 2020, 8:09 PM

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fair

long geyser Jan 12, 2020, 8:21 PM

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@bright cape pretty sure the x470 Asrock AC doesn't have LLC which is nice for OCing

bright cape Jan 12, 2020, 8:36 PM

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@long geyser was looking at the rog crosshair vii hero

long geyser Jan 12, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Ah yeah that isnt bad. Tho pretty overpriced as Strix has become a name brand now

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 8:38 PM

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yeah its strange how strix,hero series pretty much in same pricing range x570 at least

bright cape Jan 12, 2020, 8:40 PM

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The viii hero is about $200 more then the vii I believe and they're both top tier OCers from what I can tell

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I just don't need PCI4

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 8:41 PM

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yeah if not planning on using pci 4 than just go with one that fits your budget

bright cape Jan 12, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Staying behind the curve, wait for the am5 processors come out and buy one of these juicy 3900s

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 8:43 PM

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yeah makes sense

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i am just hoping AMD don't screw us threadripper users again

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when DDR5 comes

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TRX40 better have DDR5 support

bright cape Jan 12, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Backwards compatible stuff?

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Ya

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 8:45 PM

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its just not fun changing alot everything alot of workstation users prefer keep mothrboard and just update bios

bright cape Jan 12, 2020, 8:46 PM

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That would be frustrating

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Do the tr boards support ecc ram or whatever? Server ram

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 8:47 PM

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yeah they do

bright cape Jan 12, 2020, 8:49 PM

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At least your saving a little money there

naive pendant Jan 12, 2020, 8:50 PM

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yeah basically threadripper board are server boards just made for workstation people

bright cape Jan 12, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Yea, wish I had a reason to build towards that. My wife keeps threatening to become a YouTuber and she doesn't quite understand why I'm so supportive lol