#cpus-mobo-and-memory | Newegg | Page 81

copper solar Oct 5, 2019, 10:36 PM

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z390 is the chipset 9th gen intel

glossy bough Oct 5, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Is there some kind of compendium you dammed wizards learn this stuff?

copper solar Oct 5, 2019, 10:37 PM

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uhhh

oblique steeple Oct 5, 2019, 10:37 PM

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We're nerds

copper solar Oct 5, 2019, 10:37 PM

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pc partpicker helps

hasty marsh Oct 5, 2019, 10:37 PM

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we just used our brains to learn this certain subject

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isnt hard to understand

copper solar Oct 5, 2019, 10:37 PM

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its like legos

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one fits with the other

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squirtle

glossy bough Oct 5, 2019, 10:38 PM

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I used pcpart to make the build, but I'd like to know what I'm talking about before I shell out the 3K

copper solar Oct 5, 2019, 10:38 PM

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ASWOW

hasty marsh Oct 5, 2019, 10:38 PM

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show us the link

glossy bough Oct 5, 2019, 10:41 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C4b6hg

copper solar Oct 5, 2019, 10:46 PM

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nice build

dusk oracle Oct 5, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Would of been better with Ryzen instead 😛

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theo smash?

glossy bough Oct 5, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Ryzen for OC isn't it?

dusk oracle Oct 5, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Both can overclock just you can get similar or better performance for less money

oblique steeple Oct 5, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Intel OCs more

glossy bough Oct 5, 2019, 10:55 PM

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@dusk oracle I may change it then. Still trying to find a good balance of things.

dusk oracle Oct 5, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Always do research as well for what you plan on playing and/or doing

glossy bough Oct 5, 2019, 11:07 PM

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That's where I'm kind of stuck

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I like overwatch and Battlefield and Skyrim, cod on occasion, maybe something like prop hunt and doom. Fallout modded

grizzled holly Oct 5, 2019, 11:37 PM

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@naive pendant 😂

hasty marsh Oct 5, 2019, 11:41 PM

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what is that name

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please tELL me

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 12:02 AM

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@grizzled holly ?

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 12:32 AM

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@grizzled holly did you at the wrong person or something?

thorny gate Oct 6, 2019, 2:37 PM

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how high of a overclock can the 9700k go?

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Really 5ghz all core is what you should expect

quaint current Oct 6, 2019, 8:36 PM

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depends on cooling, but with a good aio id say that

worn slate Oct 6, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Could thermal paste be a cause for my pc to start for 30 seconds then it shuts down? I need to apply more but i dont have any and dont have a way of getting any. Does anyone know of any alternatives?

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Amazon prime some mx-4 1 day shipping

dusk oracle Oct 6, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Always a pea size dot of thermal paste and if it is conductive thermal paste and you got some on your board good chance that could be the reason if you believe it is the thermal paste

worn slate Oct 6, 2019, 9:45 PM

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I mean that it is fading. I dont have any to replace it and i was hoping for some homemade options

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Not to nitpick - pea size is a little outdated - 1-2 lines, x with dots, etc or manually spread is more effective - but it's a pretty small difference. Lots of techtubers have tested, der8aur, GN, etc

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you can't make anything at home that will be suitable

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just get some thermal paste 🙂

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i'm feeling generous today too

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if you're in the US i will order you a cheap tube off newegg POG

worn slate Oct 6, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Ok i was just wondering because ive seen people use toothpaste with salt and other things

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 9:46 PM

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i would strongly recommend NOTdoing that

worn slate Oct 6, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Ok

dusk oracle Oct 6, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Well pea size still works in this day and age cause i still do it and have great thermals

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Haha as much as I'd love to see another lipstick, mayonaise, chocolate, denture cream test - I can't recommend that with a straight face 🙂

dusk oracle Oct 6, 2019, 9:48 PM

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you can with a crooked face lol

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Thermal paste i am using as well is Deepcool Z9 which is non conductive and is pretty good

quaint current Oct 6, 2019, 9:55 PM

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@naive pendant

📎 image0.jpg

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the holy graph

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 9:55 PM

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i remember the one time i accidentally ran my 6700k with no cooler on it, it did not like that

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~10 sec from power on it had enough and hit thermal protection lol

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Haha yep, though - when posting that pic, as much of a classic as it is, I'd clarify that it's a bit old, afaik the guru3d paste roundup as of late is decent.

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TBH - paste isn't that big of a deal. Just don't conductonaut a ryzen or put pate under the cpu etc.

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i think it's somewhat safe to say that thermal paste is going to create a difference that's probably within margin of error of measuring eqiupment

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yea

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i mean unless you're in some crazy lab, which for all i know these review sites may have access to all that

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Ya, that's totally possible - I just tell people anything in the top tier of stuff is pretty much identical for casual-enthusiast use.

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that is much more succinct than what i was trying to say

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lol

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I personally recommend MX-4 the most because it's definitely well into the "good enough" range in terms of thermal conductivity - but it also spreads very easily unlike say- kryonaut (not even that hard to spread)

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But I'm talking like - first build ever kind of recommendation

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time to reinstall windows on my shiny new 970 evo plus and my 3900x, feelsgoodman that it booted up fine the first time where i usually forget something blatantly obvious like the cpu fan header

dusk oracle Oct 6, 2019, 9:59 PM

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first build ever most coolers has thermal paste on it already

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 10:00 PM

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The low viscosity of MX-4 eliminates a lot of possible user error in application amount or technique. They could squirt out the entire tube and any decent mounting pressure would push out the extra anyway. Non conductive , non capacitive, so less worry. AFAIK - also has no "cure time".

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FWIW i went with the ASUS crosshair hero re: the motherboard discussion yesterday

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RGB AngeryEgg

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C8H? TBH - I get all these discussions mixed up, sorry if I don't immediately remember haha.

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Nice

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sorry, yeah we were discussing power delivery on x570 motherboards shortly yesterday

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Oh ya, lol

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i am a bit salty cuz MSI is releasing a MEG motherboard with ZERO rgb BUT the high end power delivery AND a right angle 24 pin connector

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but i'm not ripping this apart again

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I was debating explaining more about how and when VRM temp under load is important - but I felt like you understood my intended message as is.

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yes, i did, and it got me the info i needed

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🙂

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incidentally this (maybe it was the $700 crosshair one, i forget the name) that was towards the top of that VRM temp chart

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and yeah i know that was just one factor to consider

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There's also something to be said for a user just wanting to spend more on capacity for piece of mind as long as they're well informed of relevant performance impacts, the confidence in which we can predict reliability - all that.
I just try to step in when it seems like someone feels like they absolutely need a mega overkill VRM board to satisfy the goals that they have specified.

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yeah, 100% that is more what i was leaning towards

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i am an informed customer but sometimes i'm just like...ok enough of looking at webpages

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i worked in sales for a few years and routinely had to really fish out what people wanted cuz they had zero idea, or really unrealistic expectations

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It's a really complex aspect of motherboard design though - one of those things where you can't just look at a single spec - or even a high res photo and data sheet of a board to be 100% confident.

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so i can work from the other way to find what i need, if that makes sense

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for sure, i'm not an EE, but i am going to school for mechanical engineering

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Nor do I think that one has to personally test a product to be able to make condident predicitons about a board's performance characteristics.

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Nice - CompE here - I wanted to go ME originally, most of my hobbies/interests are more ME vs CompE tbh.

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i trust Steve a lot cuz he shows his very thorough testing methodolgy and gives (at least for me) enough info from which to draw my own conclusions

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HW unboxed steve? or GN?

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sorry, GN

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i know there are tons of great youtubers, i just like tech Jesus lol

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Both are good, but their attidues towards strict adherence to proper data collection and open-ness to constructive criticism are what earn them an A+ in my book.

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he was really nice when i sent in my 2080ti for the big thing he did when they released

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and he replied to every single email which i was shocked, even though half of them were just me making sure my GPU would make it back to EVGA before the RMA window expired and i was charged for a second 2080ti 😆

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cuz mine was FRIED when i got it

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What 2080 ti thing? Ah- the initial failure media frenzy?

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yeah

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I got mine in feb I think - Micron memory, very pleased with it tbh. Everything now is samsung - which is fine, just have to work with it.

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Also a huge EVGA fan

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the RMA'ed one has been perfect and i beat the crap out of it

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What model?

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xc ultra

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i was considering selling it locally for a ftw or kingpin but that seems like a lot of work for what will net minor performance gains

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My cc ultra is pretty stable at 1985MHz so what's a couple hundred extra MHz

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Nice, ya - the EVGA black, and gaming are the only non-a 2080 ti's iirc. THe overclock.net chart shows the ftw3 non ultra as non-a, but that seems to be an error. Did you update the vbios to the 320w power limit? EVGA released an official supported update

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https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-RTX-2080-Ti-2080-XCXC-Ultra-BIOS-Update-m2858793.aspx

EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti / 2080 XC/XC Ultra BIOS Update - EVGA Forums

UPDATE: These are now legacy updates as it only needed to be applied on the first shipping cards. All new shipping cards now have these updates. Updates:Increases maximum power target setting to 130% (Improved overclocking performance)______________________________________...

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ALso https://www.overclock.net/forum/69-nvidia/1706276-official-nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-owner-s-club.html

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I had no idea of that BIOS update

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I'll get that installed asap cuz I'm definitely not reaching thermal limits

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What's your current power limit? I hit 373W with aggressive cold ambient cooling, but need to stay under 40C load for 2200 core 2050 mem usually - depends on the test. I want to aim for 3.5sec GPUpi 3.3

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I was using precision x1 and just cranking it til it was unstable

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Do you bench much? Should move this to #graphics-cards or #overclocking I guess haha

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Sure thing

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 10:49 PM

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@naive pendant why would you get the crosshair 8 hero which i have explained is realistically worse than any mobo by any company other than asus on x570 and has the worst soc vrm of any board on am4 period which is terrible if you want to push ram and hit an imc based limit...

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lol

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you are very adversarial

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and no, i don't go through thousands of messages on a discord to find your specific replies, sorry, unless you're tagging someone

dusk oracle Oct 6, 2019, 10:56 PM

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There is a lot of things he finds that are the worst lol

naive pendant Oct 6, 2019, 10:57 PM

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yeah, it probably doesn't warrant a response but i did anyway

teal zenith Oct 6, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Hi

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📎 unknown.gif

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:34 AM

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@naive pendant im only opposed to people making poor buying decisions and the one you are making is one of the worst

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neat

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thanks for you input, i'll put it in the trash where it belongs

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the crosshair viii while rated for a high amperage (which doesn't matter as no am4 part is power hungry enough for that to matter) it is a single soc phase (the worst of any am4 mobo) and 7 vcore phases with normal switching frequencies (the cheapest x570 board period is 4x2 plus 2)

urban ferry Oct 7, 2019, 12:36 AM

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@naive pendant lets not be rude please

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 12:36 AM

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don’t be rude my g

urban ferry Oct 7, 2019, 12:36 AM

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same with you popcrn

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lets all just calm down

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:36 AM

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@urban ferry how am i being rude?

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 12:37 AM

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oh lord

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and it starts

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:37 AM

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lmao, i'm not even going to bother saying anything beyond look at your tone and how you approach people and then ask yourself why

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these are messages... you cant really have a tone in a message unless you are using some sort of tone indicators or emojis...

gritty finch Oct 7, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Do you guys know a cheap motherboard that supports i5 9400f

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 12:38 AM

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✊ ✊ ✊ 🔥 gamer time tone ✊ ✊

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:40 AM

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doesn't even deserve a reply, will just block him and move on lol

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...

hasty marsh Oct 7, 2019, 12:42 AM

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what?

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poor pop c0rn

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:42 AM

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What's the switching frequency range on the C8H? I agree that the max current delivery potential has some comfortable headroom for all but extreme use.

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im back

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it is 400khz switching frequency if im not mistaken

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Max 400 KHz? That would be surprisingly low - but I'd be interested to learn more - and if so - what Asus's rationale was.

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again, it is just a bad board

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dont recommend it periof

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 12:47 AM

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asus doesn't really have a good x570 lineup rn

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:48 AM

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What would your vote be for a board in that price class?

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i explained why to you multiple times but when you give bad advice people believe it and now this dude is conviced iw ti good in spite of reason and is going to buy a $300 board with a worse vcore than a $150 board and a worse soc than a $50 board

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 12:48 AM

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🤔

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rip here comes mrc

sterile flicker Oct 7, 2019, 12:49 AM

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@naive pendant So here is the million dollar question....Do I get the i9-9980XE or do I wait and see if the i9-7980XE will drop down more in price?

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 12:49 AM

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get 3rd gen tr

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or 3950x

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i'd be cheaper i already looked at everything

sterile flicker Oct 7, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Dont want to redo all my system though.

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:50 AM

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hell, you can get a faster cpu with mobo and all the parts for a new loop and still save money going current gen tr kek

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Main difference is the mature process + solder TIM on the sky x refresh -
This seems like a case where the best choice can easily be decided by the best deal one can find.

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going intel for multi core performance is like going bulldozer for floating point performance

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Pretty sure when the 10th series pops in the price for the 7980XE will drop more

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Also there is black friday coming up so you never know

sterile flicker Oct 7, 2019, 12:52 AM

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the i9-7980XE is about $300 to $400 cheaper right now, but will it go down more is what I am wondering.

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Well, the 1st gen skyx is the only one without solder TIM - makes it easier to de-lid , then go direct die, custom lapped IHS - whatever.

sterile flicker Oct 7, 2019, 12:52 AM

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@dusk oracle thats kinda what I was thinking

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:52 AM

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So I wonder if that'll keep it's value to the extreme oc market

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 12:53 AM

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normally i would wait it out first before buying anything because you never know when a price drop would happen

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:53 AM

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(some value) they're already around $1k-1400 ebay

sterile flicker Oct 7, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Its a tough decision.

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wait or not to wait

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:54 AM

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I have my hands full with hardware for the moment - but I want to ditch this x570 master/3700x, or just grab a 3900x used for daily / general use, x299 dark + mayyybe cheap used sky x gen ? , or just TR3 for the workstation

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 12:55 AM

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@sterile flicker waiting is usually better especially for something you want

urban ferry Oct 7, 2019, 12:56 AM

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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i didnt follow that rule

sterile flicker Oct 7, 2019, 12:56 AM

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I could pull the trigger now and get the i9-7980XE

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then have a space i9-7940X

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Could maybe make some money back off of it

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or make it a goo backup/test bench CPU

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 12:58 AM

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Well zack you have parents to buy you those things as well

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 12:59 AM

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We didn't get to hear the rest of the VRM story

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 12:59 AM

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from who 🤔

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@naive pendant who was telling a VRM story?

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Not trying to be disrespectul - was just curious tbh. Maybe another time.

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Oh i was only curious

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 1:17 AM

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pop corn was

zenith forge Oct 7, 2019, 2:21 AM

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MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS @$170
ASRock X570 PRO4 @$170
ASUS Prime X570-P @$170
GIGABYTE X570 GAMING X @$166

Which would be they best pick, they're all around the same price...

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or ASUS AM4 TUF GAMING X570-Plus @$190

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 2:33 AM

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@zenith forge the x570 gaming x wins by a huge margin to all of those

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the phantom 4 is also a good option if you want to save money

zenith forge Oct 7, 2019, 2:35 AM

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only a ~$20 difference so I'll probably go with the gaming x

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 2:38 AM

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ASRock

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 2:40 AM

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Why does the gaming x win by a huge margin?

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 2:40 AM

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ThinkingEgg

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:09 AM

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@naive pendant it is a cheap board in a 5x2 plus 2 setup (granted it is at 300khz switching frequency)

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I found it interesting how the different board manufacturers chose pretty different approaches for VRM design. Both on vcore and soc.

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Like asus moving away from doublers alltogether, even stacking 3 powerstages per phase in parallel on some boards, while Asrock, MSI, and most of GB's line still uses some form of doubler implementation.

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I remember reading a post on the ROG discord by Raja talking about that design choice a bit.

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@naive pendant it is just all of them understand how to make a vrm and are making good vrm but asus who made a vrm purely to cheat poor testing methods that youtubers use

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What kind of poor vrm testing?

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I like the VRM transient response testing done by Elmor, TiN, BZ, Roman, for the most part

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Elmor's z390 testing with an 1104X-E was what got me interested in it originally

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only testing temps under a 0 airflow scenario (which isnt relevant as temp testing as temp it negates advantage from surface area and isnt relevant as a test period unless a given board in a real scenario with some cpu on that platform is hitting 120c or higher on mosfets)

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... that's totally pg-13 but w/e

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Without re-typing that - I was expressing my criticism for VRM reviews that not only over-emphasized load temps in worst case usage - but also improper measurement technique

zenith forge Oct 7, 2019, 3:20 AM

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+$5 for 3200mhz oloy warhawk (cas16) vs 3000mhz worth it?

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:20 AM

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e.g. you can't use an IR thermometer on a bare alluminum heat sink withoutemissivity calibration - even then, huge margin for error , can't tell what the IC temp is

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again, for ryzen there isnt a real scenario even with a 3950x where the mosfets will near 120c unless you are doing ln2 overclocking with no airflow (not a real scenario)

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 3:20 AM

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When using Ryzen you always want the fastest possible memory

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:21 AM

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I want to try and push my old z270-H's vrm's to see how hot for how long they have to get to really cause a problem

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My guess is somewhere that's not near realistic lol

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@zenith forge what cl is the 3000mhz kit

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if cl15 both are 10ns

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:21 AM

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i plan on building a new pc with a 3700x and a 2070s with 16 gb of ram

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thoughts?

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:22 AM

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my thought is that isnt much detail so not much can be given as input

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:22 AM

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thoughts for gaming

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 3:23 AM

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it is an alright build

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:23 AM

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will have an ssd too

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:23 AM

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for pure gaming get a 3600

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:23 AM

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not pure gaming

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streaming too

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:23 AM

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then i guess it sounds fine

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Streaming you can still get away with using the 3600

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I stream with a 2600 and have no problems really

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:24 AM

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you could save a bunch just overclocking a 5700xt but if you dont want to oc i guess technically the 2070s is just over error margin by a percent or 2 faster

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While I'd also ask for more input - can't really find much wrong with 3700x/2070s - sure, could drop cpu to 3600 and likely not see any hit to gaming performance, but when you're spending that much already - $130 more for 33% more cores and a non-garbage cooler isnice.

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I wonder how cheaply I can get 3 more prisms on ebay...

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if that extra couple percent is worth the extra money i guess is up to you

zenith forge Oct 7, 2019, 3:25 AM

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both are cas 16 @naive pendant

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Really depends on the game - BF5 - ya, you'll want that

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CSGO? lol nah

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@zenith forge and how much is the 10ns olloy kit?

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:25 AM

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BF5, DCS, EFT, Squad

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:25 AM

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im pretty sure they have one for $66 last i checked

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so if it is that one then get it

zenith forge Oct 7, 2019, 3:26 AM

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yeah it's the $66

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:26 AM

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as it is the cheapest 10ns kit

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DCS, nice, I was big on x-plane 8

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:26 AM

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oh cool! the f16 just got released in DVS

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DCS*

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I wish the 3600c16 ballistix elite 2x8/4x8 kits would drop to a sane price <$150 they are now

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:27 AM

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that’d be nice

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i want more ram for dcs

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I got a 2x8 for 100 prime day, wish I stocked up

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:27 AM

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it kinda eats it

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Rev E seems really easy on the IMC, my z390 setup hates the 3000c15 kit I have - but I'd bet 4x16 wouldn't be awful on zen2

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:29 AM

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4x16 seems like a bit much

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lol

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:30 AM

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For gaming - that'd be absurd yes lol, but everyone's got their use case

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:33 AM

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true

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i’m rocking and old pc rn

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1060 6gb

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fx8320

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16gb ddr3

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:34 AM

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I need to find 16 x 4/8GB 1600 cl9 ddr3 myself, been looking on ebay

zenith forge Oct 7, 2019, 3:34 AM

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ey, pretty close to mine lol...i5 3570, 1050, 16gb ddr3

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:34 AM

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8 sticks would be fine- but nicer to get a complete set vs mix/match later on

zenith forge Oct 7, 2019, 3:34 AM

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getting a list together rn of what I'm gonna upgrade to once I have the monies

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:34 AM

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we’re both due for an upgrade

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:34 AM

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I have a 3570 haha

boreal moth Oct 7, 2019, 3:34 AM

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haha nice

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 3:35 AM

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if it was a K model and you had a board to overclock it i would overclock it and have it last a little bit longer

zenith forge Oct 7, 2019, 3:35 AM

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I have a overclockable mobo (asrock z68 pro3)

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but the diff in price for a temp cpu wasn't worth imo

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 3:36 AM

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ya but you have a locked processor

zenith forge Oct 7, 2019, 3:36 AM

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yeah ik

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 3:38 AM

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I used a i5 2500 non K from 2011 till 2018 and it was a very good CPU but because it was a locked processor i couldn't do anything

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:39 AM

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3rd gen doesn't OC well ambient much anyway, at least not like 2nd gen

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Originally i was thinking and this was during 2016 to just replace it for a 3770 but i didn't in the end

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Lol same - I had my 2500k from jan 2011 to april 2017 as a daily. 4.0 easy , 4.5+ with little effort.
I just got a second one off ebay for $30

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Well one thing i know if that the 3770 if i was to use that instead would last me for a good 4 years at most maybe 5 if i lower some settings

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:42 AM

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But ya, aside from 6th gen skylake - Intel locked OC pretty well on non-k.
I'd be interested to pick up a 6600 nonk or something to BCLK OC for fun - but too pricey for just a side project rn

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Idk, did you look up reviews? It looks like a christmas ornament to me

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Or like - a $30 intel stock cooler with a shroud and rgb haha. Regardless - for a 9400f, doesn't matter much

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 3:45 AM

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ya i know but it is what he wants and he does tend to be a little cheap so

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Sounds good to me - "what he wants" will be the most important factor here

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Because 9400f lol

dusk oracle Oct 7, 2019, 3:48 AM

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He has been a console gamer all his life and well since he wants to play games with me he wants an actual PC that came game on which i was originally thinking for him the
R5 1600 but he wants Intel so

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 11:06 AM

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@tall abyss I would be too, nice choice in parts.

tall abyss Oct 7, 2019, 11:12 AM

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Thanks 🙂

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:25 PM

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also for refference not only is the x570 tuf only a 4 plus 2 phase but it only runs at 400khz switching frequency

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@dusk jay

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 7:26 PM

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its one of the best budget x570 boards

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:26 PM

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so in other words it is basically other than rated amperage on par with a bottom tier b350 board

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@dusk jay do you not understand how a vrm works or what it does?

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are you failing to read what i write?

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How about a diagram to start - mspaint real quick how a basic VRM component layout functions in a typical motherboard cpu vcore supply

sterile flicker Oct 7, 2019, 7:28 PM

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🕵

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 7:34 PM

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@naive pendant a VRM is a voltage regulator modual it regulates the voltage

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:36 PM

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and guess what that means... It means you want to have low ripple and fast transient response which once more a low end b350 can beat the tuf in

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it simply is rated for a high amperage which matters 0% as even an ln2 3950x is only going to be around 175 to 200amps.

elfin roost Oct 7, 2019, 7:37 PM

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popcorn this is your final warning, stop talking down to people just because they know less than you

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i shouldnt have to say this after youve already been warned

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:37 PM

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@elfin roost please quote where i talked down to someone?

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Ok, plausible - but what b350 board? I don't recall many with such a robust VRM loadout as designed on the x570 TUF.

elfin roost Oct 7, 2019, 7:38 PM

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@dusk jay do you not understand how a vrm works or what it does?
are you failing to read what i write?
and guess what that means... It means you want to have low ripple and

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:38 PM

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@naive pendant most low end b350 boards will be in a 4 plus 2 setup with the same or a better switching frequency

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I'd be interested to see the data from which you drew this conclusion

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So from the AM4 motherboard master spreadsheet? Each motherboard's datasheets? Buildzoid's video? or more?

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@elfin roost because he objectively doesnt seem to understand what i wrote as i gave a detailed explanation on the flaws in teh design and he responded with "google, what is the best x570"

elfin roost Oct 7, 2019, 7:39 PM

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there are better ways of saying it besides saying it the way you said it

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im not arguing with you

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:40 PM

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talking down would be if in a hypothetical world i were to state "you dont know anything about a vrm idiot" which i wouldnt say and again is a hypothetical

elfin roost Oct 7, 2019, 7:40 PM

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just stop doing it

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:42 PM

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@naive pendant in this case buildzoid did a video on the x570 strix e which uses the same vrm

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The strix E uses the same vrm as what board?

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the asus x570 tuf

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nm, wrong one

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i meant f

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 7:44 PM

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@naive pendant I may not know the most about computers and only being 13 but using logic I can disprove you theory seeing how the board is recommended by several youtubers with 1M subs+

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:45 PM

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havin 1 million plus subscribers somehow changes the vrm config of the board?

elfin roost Oct 7, 2019, 7:46 PM

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kryptix

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i warned him for the same thing

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Wait, so the x570 -F has the same VRM loadout as the TUF? (it does)

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appeal to authority only applies if the authority you refference have an idea on the specs of the board and a propper understanding on vrm design and use which none of them do. this is why many simply check the probe temps on the board (which are not always placed in the same area) and test on 0 airflow testbenches which results in it not even being a valid test for temps as surface area no matter is accounted for, and also do not realize that a mosfet is not a cpu and wont throttle at around 90c

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How does a MOSFET work?

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@naive pendant yes, both use 3 sic639 power stages and are in a 4 plus 2 setup using the same controller and no doublers and presumably both are at a 400khz switching frequency

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 7:49 PM

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then what board are you comparing it too?

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or what board should i get then

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Does it operate at a constant 400 KHz?

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i am comparing it to bottom tier b350 boards as that is what it is on par with

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you should get a phantom 4 if you want a really good cheap mobo on x570

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@naive pendant i would presume it stays around that range as that is what buildzoid labeled it as (for the strix f but it is possible the tuf is a lower switching frequency as it is a lower end board but i will assume they are both the same for now until given more reason to believe it to be lower)

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Would would you say would be an ideal switching frequency for this type of VRM layout?

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400khz would be fine if it was a $50 to 70 board

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the issue is that the price rang eit is in has 8 and 10 phase boards with 300 to 500 khz switching frequencies

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True 8 and 10 phase boards? Or doubleded or otherwise?

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you can make a trash vrm and get recommended if it is in line for its price range but you cant make something terrible anc call it high end and put it in a price range wher everything destroys it

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 7:56 PM

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no x570 boards that i know of have 8 or 10 phase vrm's

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most are 4 or 6 doubled

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 7:57 PM

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@quaint current proper doubling can be referred to as an 8 or 10 phase or as a 4x2 or 5x2 phase

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this is more a debate on semantics than on the design of a board at this point

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 7:59 PM

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true 8's are still better 2x4 still

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 8:00 PM

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slightly in transient response but realistically not really by much

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and transient response can also vary by specific designs to a degree so again not really

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What is a proper doubling vs fake doubling? And how is that different than teaming?

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proper doubling as in using a doubler instead of doing what many companies are doing now where they simply count the chokes and call those phases

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:01 PM

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@naive pendant ill just take your word for it and get the gigabyte x570 aurorus elite

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SmileyEgg

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 8:02 PM

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@dusk jay that is a great choice. the aorus elite is a 6x2 plis 2 phase

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:02 PM

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ok sorry for being rude lol

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Quick question - what's the SI unit for inductance? No googling 🙂

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:03 PM

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are we still talking about pc's?

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 8:03 PM

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granted it is at 300khz switching frequency but i think the number of phases it has makes up for that pretty well.

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It's relevant to PCs no worries

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and what are you abbreviating if i may ask

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:04 PM

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im defenetly far from the techie role

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 8:04 PM

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me? or?

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 8:04 PM

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International System of Units

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i think

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:06 PM

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idk the awnser

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 8:07 PM

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@naive pendant yes

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unless you meant a silicon inductor which is sort of off topic from what we were talking about

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I don't want to drag this out further. But I was asking you what the SI unit for inductance was because you were talking about the importance of chokes in VRM design.

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@naive pendant i was talking about how company marketing teams have tried counting chokes as phases

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which is simply wrong to do

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Do chokes work like inductors?

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Or are they capacitors? Or both?

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chokes are inductors

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Right you are!

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:12 PM

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yay the trident z neo ram i want isnt compatible with the aourus mobo

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 8:12 PM

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What purpose do they serve in the context of the vrm design?

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 8:12 PM

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@dusk jay why isnt it?

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:12 PM

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https://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_x570-aorus-elite_matisse.pdf

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its not on the list

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https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232859?Item=N82E16820232859

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thats the ram

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 8:13 PM

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it should still work

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 8:14 PM

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the same as any indutor which is to hold some sort of current

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forgot to press enter

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:15 PM

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@naive pendant do you think it will work with that mobo?

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 8:16 PM

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When you put inductors in paralelll, what happens with respect to their electrical properties?

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@dusk jay yes I dont see why not and @naive pendant I can get back to answering your questions at a latter time but for now I need to go help a friend out and will likely be back on later today

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:19 PM

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it says that there is only one 16gb kit from g.skill that will work with the mobo

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that is 3600

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 8:23 PM

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can you link it?

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 8:24 PM

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If we're back to cpu/mobo/memory advice - need help?

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:55 PM

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there @quaint current https://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_x570-aorus-elite_matisse.pdf

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 8:56 PM

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the memory kit (like on newegg)

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:57 PM

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oh sorry https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232859?Item=N82E16820232859

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 8:57 PM

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thats the one that would work?

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cause its the same as the one you linked above

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 8:59 PM

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oh its model is the F4-3600C17Q-64GTZ

quaint current Oct 7, 2019, 9:00 PM

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🤔 it says its intel compatible i would of thought it would say ryzen

thorny gate Oct 7, 2019, 9:01 PM

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should work

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i was using intel ram on ryzen with no issues

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 9:01 PM

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i am using intel ram

naive pendant Oct 7, 2019, 9:02 PM

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that's good ram

dusk jay Oct 7, 2019, 9:02 PM

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should it work your highness

blissful dragon Oct 7, 2019, 9:27 PM

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thankyou java, I just wanted to open minecraft 1.14

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naive pendant Oct 8, 2019, 12:17 AM

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@dusk jay the ram pcbs and dies among all companies is only from a small selection. all gskill is making is the heat spreader so yes it and all ram sticks of the correct ddr version will be compatible.

quaint current Oct 8, 2019, 12:19 AM

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its probably just ryzen optimized ram

naive pendant Oct 8, 2019, 12:40 AM

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@quaint current ram is just the pcb and die and it could be argued bdies are nice for ryzen because they reach low latencies for example but it isnt really ryzen optimized as it will do the same for intel and reach lower latencies as it isnt held back by the imc

quaint current Oct 8, 2019, 12:40 AM

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yeah

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but some brands brand it as "ryzen optimized" to sell more

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@naive pendant how much would a loop for 3950x+x570 aqua+ sli kingpin 2080 ti's cost cause i have no clue

naive pendant Oct 8, 2019, 12:43 AM

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to start, dont use a monoblock or a board that forces you to use one

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any am4 block will work for 3950x

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i recommend xspc or bykski

quaint current Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 AM

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this is just for a overkill idea

naive pendant Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 AM

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and just get a refference 2080ti if you are putting it under a block

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and again bykski

quaint current Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 AM

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and i wanted the most expensive mobo

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because #why not

naive pendant Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 AM

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radiator depends on case but i still recommend phobya

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tubing get thermaltake

quaint current Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 AM

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it'd be 2 360's in the o11 dynamic

naive pendant Oct 8, 2019, 12:44 AM

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fittings thermaltake is good at too

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for the pump and reservior i recommend an enermax neo changer as the alluminum top doesnt actually touch liquid and it has a d5 pump that goes up to 5000 rpm and is pretty cheap

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only complaint i have is that it is a pain in the ass to clean

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overall you can probably get it done around $300 to 400

quaint current Oct 8, 2019, 12:46 AM

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ic

naive pendant Oct 8, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Serious question - this seems like a good deal, looking for budget 16x 4-8GB ddr3 preferably not ECC /registered, thoughts? https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-20-80-GB-HYNIX-4GB-2RX4-PC3-10600-DDR3-HP-PN-500203-061-MEMORY-T12-C18/153671810000?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3Daf4f372205ee44968e45be18e9cc9b8d%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D153671810000%26itm%3D153671810000%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507

eBay

LOT OF 20 ( 80 )GB HYNIX 4GB 2RX4 PC3-10600 DDR3 HP PN:500203-061 ...

We do not reset passwords. SEE PICTURES.

quaint current Oct 8, 2019, 2:20 AM

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i have no clue on ddr3, so ill let somebody with more knowledge answer that

naive pendant Oct 8, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Ya - me neither lol

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I last benched timespy with 1 stick because I couldn't find the other

zenith forge Oct 8, 2019, 2:29 AM

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@naive pendant That is a very good deal on ram if you don't care about it being 1333mhz...a good deal on 16gb of ddr3 is about $30. And that is about $18 per 16gb if I did my math right (idk I'm tired)

naive pendant Oct 8, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Ideally I want 1600cl9 due to platform limitations, but that's expensive unless yo ufind it on sale - and I can live with this for now. Quad channel makes up for the deficit in bandwidth per channel.

arctic dome Oct 8, 2019, 1:59 PM

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if you find 2 8gb sticks of ddr3 for cheap let me know. I need a ram upgrade to tide me over

naive pendant Oct 8, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I ended up having to buy my 1600 cl8/9, aleady forgot - 2GB dimms a few at atime for robbery prices - buying this lot would be largely for fun / testing

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Ya - nvm, need like ddr 666 for that.

thorny gate Oct 9, 2019, 2:03 PM

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out of all the 200 dollar motherboards which one is best? strix?

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will be using 9700k and overclocking

shy wyvern Oct 10, 2019, 3:22 AM

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strix is always god tier tbh

naive pendant Oct 10, 2019, 3:35 AM

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@potent kernel So, server?

naive pendant Oct 10, 2019, 8:57 PM

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my CPU was getting 1.5v max for whatever it's max clock/PBO was on a 3900x, that seems kinda high

weak hamlet Oct 10, 2019, 9:05 PM

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it's normal

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especially for 3000 series

naive pendant Oct 10, 2019, 9:05 PM

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ok

weak hamlet Oct 10, 2019, 9:05 PM

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even my 3700x does it

naive pendant Oct 10, 2019, 9:05 PM

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google said 1.45-1.48ish, i didn't know if that was a hard "do not exceed" limit or something

weak hamlet Oct 10, 2019, 9:06 PM

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have you installed the latest chipset, there was an update

naive pendant Oct 10, 2019, 9:06 PM

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i installed an update from september when i got the motherboard last week

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BIOS update i mean, i'll check the chipset

weak hamlet Oct 10, 2019, 9:06 PM

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yeah there is a chipset update 🙂 which fixed idle

naive pendant Oct 10, 2019, 9:07 PM

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i'm getting pretty toasty idle temps sometimes in the 60*c even though my room is pretty chilly right now, but that's likely just poor thermal paste on the stock cooler

naive pendant Oct 10, 2019, 9:37 PM

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(not so) shiny new dh15s chromax should fix that

viral knoll Oct 11, 2019, 4:11 AM

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Yo any fellow insomniacs know much about ASRock mobo's?

verbal mural Oct 11, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Corsair created DDR4 memory that is 5,000 MHz strong

verbal mural Oct 11, 2019, 9:54 PM

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first of its kind

signal rain Oct 11, 2019, 11:31 PM

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can someone help me

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i have a pc ive dont everything right but i think i have a defective part cuz it wont post any tips?

hallow flint Oct 12, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Dayummm 5000mhz?

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That's crazy

silent brook Oct 12, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Does MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max supports Mystic Light Sync?

dusk oracle Oct 12, 2019, 2:22 PM

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no idea check the MSI page

grizzled holly Oct 14, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Hey anyone here?

hasty marsh Oct 14, 2019, 4:00 AM

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yello

grizzled holly Oct 14, 2019, 4:00 AM

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So I heard about the Ryzen 5 3600X

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I meant

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3500X

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And was wondering when it would come out?

hasty marsh Oct 14, 2019, 4:02 AM

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i dont think amd has said anything about that concerning the date of release

grizzled holly Oct 14, 2019, 4:02 AM

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And was wondering if it would be better than the 3600 for streaming games like Fortnite, Minecraft, Destiny 2

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Oh

hasty marsh Oct 14, 2019, 4:02 AM

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you can compare them

grizzled holly Oct 14, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Where?

hasty marsh Oct 14, 2019, 4:03 AM

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if they released any info about it, you can use that and compare if you want to

grizzled holly Oct 14, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Oh okay thanks!

hasty marsh Oct 14, 2019, 4:03 AM

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/14961/amd-brings-ryzen-9-3900-and-ryzen-5-3500x-to-life

AMD Brings Ryzen 9 3900 and Ryzen 5 3500X To Life

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thats an article including it

grizzled holly Oct 14, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Ok thanks! 😄

hasty marsh Oct 14, 2019, 4:05 AM

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anytime

cold gazelle Oct 15, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Intel cancels 10nm on desktop, new node expected in 2022

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heard already?

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 6:53 AM

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@hasty marsh you know the 3500X is a china exclusive right

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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so i need help cloning my boot SSD and copying it onto a new SSD to replace it

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 6:16 PM

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@stuck basin use Macrium Reflect it is simple and easy to use

naive pendant Oct 15, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Clean install > clone most of the time.
Here's some help
https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script
https://nliteos.com/

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I use Macrium Reflect a few times before and for my laptop and was able to clone everything perfect

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One thing i would do anyways is clone first then format after to avoid any problems

hasty marsh Oct 15, 2019, 6:35 PM

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ecks i didnt know cause i dont follow certain news about technology

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Well i watch certain YT channels

spark ice Oct 15, 2019, 8:28 PM

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What's a good and affordable x570 motherboard

naive pendant Oct 15, 2019, 8:42 PM

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What are your budget, intended use case, current hardware, and personal peferences?
I'd say x570 aourus master, crosshair VIII Hero are the crowd favorites.

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:16 PM

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@dusk oracle so i backed up the old SSD onto a file and then restored it onto the new one essentially copy and pasting it. So now I have this gigantic list of storage devices most of which i did not have before. the ones highlighted are drives i know are pluged into my PC. everything else is i guess what was partinioned off of the new SSD? Idk which one to use as the boot tho

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little jasper Oct 15, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Open disk management

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That will confirm everything for you

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:18 PM

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dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 9:19 PM

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When you start up your system you need to go into the bios and configure which drive to boot from

little jasper Oct 15, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Okay, so you can just delete any partitions with data you don't care about, and extend the one you want

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:20 PM

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i need all the aprtitions tho

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partitions(

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partitions*

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jesus i cant spell

little jasper Oct 15, 2019, 9:20 PM

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None of them are marked as boot partitions

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:21 PM

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i used to boot off of "Disk 0"

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that is my old SSD

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idk what this 100MB partition is for tho

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dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 9:22 PM

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@little jasper he split his drive as well to act as 2 separated drives

little jasper Oct 15, 2019, 9:22 PM

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What did you use to copy the drive?

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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AOMEI Backupper

little jasper Oct 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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I didn't think windows even supported that

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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@stuck basin when you go in the bios and select which drive to boot from Disk 3 will become Disk 0

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if you make a copy and do a restart without doing that step it will boot by default the drive you're using now

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:24 PM

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so boot up into bios, ghance the boot drive to Drive 3

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change*

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 9:24 PM

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select the boot to your new drive

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:24 PM

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k

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little jasper Oct 15, 2019, 9:26 PM

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I dunno AOMEI, if it didn't copy the boot sector, it won't be bootable

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And windows sure doesn't think it bootable, there is no boot flag like disk 0 shows in disk management

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:27 PM

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So what should I do

naive pendant Oct 15, 2019, 9:27 PM

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You guys good? I just ask since it's takes only a single click to wipe out hours of work - speaking for a friend 🙂

little jasper Oct 15, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Use a proper copy tool, one should be available for your ssd

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 9:27 PM

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He has the boot sectors cause the program i suggested i used it on my laptop and it works

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I have also used it on my main system before as well

naive pendant Oct 15, 2019, 9:28 PM

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There's a lot of nuance to this

little jasper Oct 15, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Samsung has one for sure, I usually just install from scratch when I get a new drive, makes sure I keep things clean, and usually doesn't take as long as I always expect it to lol

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Well, if Ecks knows the software, I suppose he's the SME here

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I never used it so I can't speak on it lol

naive pendant Oct 15, 2019, 9:29 PM

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While I 100% agree that you took the right course of action on your laptop, at first glance, I think those extra drives / EFI partitions may introduce unpredictable behavior.

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:29 PM

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So should I wipe the drive

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The new one I mean

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And just start from scratch again

naive pendant Oct 15, 2019, 9:30 PM

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But if you're confident, I won't interfere haha

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 9:30 PM

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@stuck basin you could try this out is taking out your old drive and plug the sata cable on the new drive

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of course with your system turned off

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:31 PM

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and what would that do

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Would read the new drive

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 9:31 PM

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oh i just noticed samsung has a data migration software

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So I just used Samsung's SSD software to wipe the new drove and get rid off all the partitions that it made for some reason

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 10:53 PM

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okay, i got the drive setup propoerly

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now i need to configure it to boot

naive pendant Oct 15, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Which disk is boot? Or boot target?

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 10:59 PM

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think i got it

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disk 0 was the old boot device

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disk 3 is the boot target

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dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 11:01 PM

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When you boot into the new drive 3 becomes 0

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 11:02 PM

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yea

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i copied all of 0 onto 3

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

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This is also why i have an enclosure for 2.5" drives so i can have the new SSD forced boot into windows and then use the old as an external to format it

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

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and then booted into it through bios

naive pendant Oct 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Are you booting in UEFI mode vs CSM on?

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From the pics, I'd assume so

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 11:04 PM

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i have one 2TB HDD for Games, one 2TB HDD for general stuff, a 480GB SSD that used to be my old boot drive, and a 1TB SSD now used as my primary SSD

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so how to i remove the old SSD now

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just power off, unplug, thats it?

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 11:08 PM

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power off the system and just disconnect the old drive and i would suggest the sata cable from the motherboard to plug it into your new one

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 11:08 PM

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kk

dusk oracle Oct 15, 2019, 11:09 PM

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is your old SSD a 2.5" drive?

stuck basin Oct 15, 2019, 11:25 PM

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mhm

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:27 AM

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if i replace my mobo do i have to do a fresh install of everything,or can i just swap everything to the new board ?

sharp blaze Oct 16, 2019, 1:34 AM

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A lot of that depends on the OS, and what version you have. Retail copies are easier to reactivate that oem or $5 license that was bought from some website.

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:34 AM

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windows 10

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its an oem

sharp blaze Oct 16, 2019, 1:35 AM

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So if you had a prebuilt like an HP or a Dell and try and move that to a computer that you built then it probably wont work.

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:36 AM

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no this is not a prebuilt i built the pc,just not happy with the asus motherboard

sharp blaze Oct 16, 2019, 1:36 AM

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if its an oem license you bought online you can try the activation tool and see if it works. If not you can call them and sometimes they will let you do it.

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Its really weird with oem license. Sometimes it works with no issues, sometimes its a hassle

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sometimes they just wont let you do it

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:37 AM

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im not really worried about if i have to pay for activation,im worried do i need to wipe my drives and start fresh

sharp blaze Oct 16, 2019, 1:38 AM

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No, windows 10 is pretty good about working as long as both systems were setup the same way. uefi to uefi or mbr to mbr

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:38 AM

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ok cool

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thank you

sharp blaze Oct 16, 2019, 1:38 AM

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I have swapped my install between 3 different amd boards

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:38 AM

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ok sweet

sharp blaze Oct 16, 2019, 1:39 AM

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there are guides online that show what you might need to do to prepare for a swap

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 1:39 AM

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What systems exactly? This is something I'd do (and have done) - but if this is your main work machine, and reliability is critical, I'd say fresh install, use the old drive as a data drive.

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:39 AM

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i have the newest asus maximus code,and its quirky,sometimes on reboot the mouse and keyboard wont work,or the bios just changes led light settings

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 1:40 AM

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z390 code? 9900k I assume? what was the previous system?

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Do you know if it was insalled in UEFI/GPT mode or legacy/ MBR

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:40 AM

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yes thats what i have now

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no idea

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i built this pc a few months ago

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Oh, nvm, I understand now. You're swapping from the M11C to something else?

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:41 AM

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yes

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 1:42 AM

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Do you know what you're swapping to?

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:42 AM

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msi godlike

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Great board, leagues better hardware wise IMO.

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:44 AM

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im excited,it looks great,i like the asus board,looks good,but the bios is quirky,and like i said the mouse and keyboard wont work on reboot sometimes

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 1:45 AM

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I greatly prefer asus bios myself, never been on msi though.

urban ferry Oct 16, 2019, 1:45 AM

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lol

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my dads the opposite

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hes used both

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the click bios is nice tho, very simple

sharp blaze Oct 16, 2019, 1:45 AM

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msi bios is a lot like gigabyte, but with better memory stability

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Godlike also doesn't have igpu support iirc

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I'll pull up the full stats haha

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 1:46 AM

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asus is easy to manuver,and use,but like it said it changes settings by itself,and the board does crazy stuff like the mouse and keyboard

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,maybe its just defective i have no idea,but it will hit ebay soon

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 1:47 AM

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My immediate guess is that those are symptoms of bios settings related to low power/sleep/ s3 states, legacy usb support on boot, etc.

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Not trying to talk you out of the godlike, but what bios was the code on?

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Bios is largely preference IMO

vapid stag Oct 16, 2019, 1:52 AM

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I'm trying to find out if the motherboard and CPU that i just bought are compatible. I'm having a really hard time installing the CPU. This is my first build.

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I've got a AORUS Z390 PRO WIFI MOBO and a AMD RYZEN 7 3700X CPU. Can anyone tell me if they're compatible? Or maybe where I can look to find out?

urban ferry Oct 16, 2019, 1:57 AM

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theyre not compatible

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 1:57 AM

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No, those are not compatible.

urban ferry Oct 16, 2019, 1:58 AM

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either you gotta swap out the motherboard or processor, either get an AMD motherboard or a Intel processor

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 1:58 AM

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I would return the mobo for an x570 aorus (elite, pro,), or Asus whatever

urban ferry Oct 16, 2019, 1:58 AM

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^

vapid stag Oct 16, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Dang it!! Thanks. That's what I was afraid of.

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I appreciate the help.

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:00 AM

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If you wanna go 9700k, that board is just fine. Preference

vale adder Oct 16, 2019, 2:01 AM

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i have the z390 gigabyte gaming x which is a step down from what u have and i can get my 9600k to 5.1 ghz stable so its a great board

vapid stag Oct 16, 2019, 2:02 AM

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I'm already looking for a replacement. Thanks again for the help.

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:02 AM

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I'd say it's a great board for the 9600k, emphasis on 9600k

vapid stag Oct 16, 2019, 2:07 AM

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I apologize for my ignorance but is the i5 or i9 9600K better?

urban ferry Oct 16, 2019, 2:08 AM

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i9 9600k doesnt exist

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but if youre talking about the i9 9900k, then yes, it is better than an i5

vapid stag Oct 16, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Gotcha. Sorry about the lack of knowledge. I'm looking now for a new CPU. Want to make sure I get the correct one this time.

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:13 AM

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@naive pendant i have a 1000 watt evga power supply

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what code do you mean

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Code? I think I mean the z390 code , the M11C

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:20 AM

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ok gotcha no idea

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whats legacy usb

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:21 AM

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TL;DR there's a lot of settings in bios, each can cause or fix most probelms.

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Hard to say without knowing the bios version

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:23 AM

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i will try the new board before i sell the old one

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is a 1000 watt psu enough for my 2080ti,i9,and asus board,64gb ram

urban ferry Oct 16, 2019, 2:26 AM

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yep

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:27 AM

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ok,cool

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thanks

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:29 AM

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What model psu

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:31 AM

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evga 1000 G3

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Good PSU - you'll be fine. People hate on that G3 for stuff that might happen in one out of hundreds of units over a couple years.

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:34 AM

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mine works great

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:37 AM

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I'm a huge EVGA fan in general, I have the 850W G3, haven't manged to blow it up yet. I use it as a +12V bench psu

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:38 AM

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i love evga as well,but have an issue with the nu audio card,spdif port is crap

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Intersting, why do you use the card?

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:39 AM

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i dont anymore

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:39 AM

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I mean, why not go external DAC for serious audio, or just use the code's oneboard

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:39 AM

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the port is cheaply made

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:40 AM

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I think the godlike has dual ALC1220's + dual headphone amp,

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:40 AM

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well it was an impulse buy

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:40 AM

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Been there lol

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:40 AM

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lol

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:40 AM

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It's $150 on sale rn

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:40 AM

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i know im kicking myself,sounds great

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but that port is cheap for a 250 card

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:41 AM

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I might remember hearing someone mention that on the EVGA discord, forgot

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:41 AM

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yeah when you unplug the cable it falls apart

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:41 AM

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I'd shoot them an email, or just message from your evga account, excellent customer service IME

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:43 AM

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yeah the problem is i think every card would have this issue,if they are made the same,there is the main spdif block on the board,then the door and spring is held on by a small trim ring that has 3 tabs to hold it,the problem is the piece is so small there is no rigidity to the plastic so everytime you unplug the cable it falls apart

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the trim ring falls off so the door and spring falls out,the bad thing is they have to be together to hold the cable in place

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Why are you running spdif - optical? - from the sound card vs the mobo?

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:47 AM

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i have 2 sets of speakers,kanto yumi powered and non powered,the powered are bigger,decided to go with them

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Valid use case

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:49 AM

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i thought maybe the quality might be batter from the card rather than the board,when the evga had the nhamic update it screwed everything up so i uninstalled the drivers and software

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and am running off the card now

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i like the card cause i had was able to hook my headphones up to it for my rift s

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the sound was amazing

naive pendant Oct 16, 2019, 2:53 AM

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I bet - I used to use a dedicated sound card as well, it had a bonus feature of holding my m.2 drive in pace after I lost the screw.

indigo blade Oct 16, 2019, 2:53 AM

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lol,good benefit

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i have so many audio options,astro a10s,beats im use with my rift s,my kanto speakers,so the card was nice

stuck basin Oct 16, 2019, 2:57 AM

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drive works perfect now

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ended up using the samsung SSD Software

deft drum Oct 16, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Would upgrading a ryzen 2400g to a 2600 be a good upgrade?

leaden mirage Oct 16, 2019, 11:43 PM

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R5 2600 I'm guessing?

deft drum Oct 16, 2019, 11:45 PM

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Yes sir

leaden mirage Oct 16, 2019, 11:46 PM

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You'd see about a 20% increase in performance, but lose the apu

deft drum Oct 16, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Yeah im getting an rx 590 for christmas

leaden mirage Oct 16, 2019, 11:48 PM

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It's decent. If you want to OC, may want a good heatsink

dusk oracle Oct 16, 2019, 11:51 PM

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@deft drum You should get a 1660

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Also if you're upgrading from the 2400G you should go for the 3600

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@leaden mirage change that number from 20 to 12

hallow flint Oct 16, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Oof

leaden mirage Oct 16, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Really? Seems like a 20%.

dusk oracle Oct 16, 2019, 11:59 PM

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I went from a 2400G to a 2600 i don't notice too much of an improvement which is why he should get the 2700X or 3600

leaden mirage Oct 17, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Hrm. Guess was just me. I have a 2400g in my laptop and I noticed a diff in my 2600 for my PC. Maybe I'm just nitpicky

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Right now I have a 2600x in there

dusk oracle Oct 17, 2019, 12:19 AM

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You mean 2500U

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there is no 2400G on a laptop

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@leaden mirage

stable flume Oct 17, 2019, 6:55 PM

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what

dusk jay Oct 17, 2019, 11:19 PM

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If you plan on keeping all your pc parts stock then will a 430 dollar mobo really make a difference over a 240 dollar mobo?

quaint current Oct 17, 2019, 11:25 PM

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no

river atlas Oct 17, 2019, 11:26 PM

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depends on what exact parts

dusk jay Oct 17, 2019, 11:43 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P7pM8M these are my parts I don't think it will make a big difference because I am using 65W CPU and as I said not overclocking

river atlas Oct 17, 2019, 11:44 PM

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no price available for most things

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there are other parts that could be improved upon other than the mobo

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you could get away with an asus TUF wifi mobo

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are you just gaming?

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or video editing as well?

dusk jay Oct 17, 2019, 11:45 PM

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someone told me it was as bad as a low end b350 board

river atlas Oct 17, 2019, 11:46 PM

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uh no it isn't at all

dusk jay Oct 17, 2019, 11:46 PM

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he said it only has a 4+2 power stage

river atlas Oct 17, 2019, 11:46 PM

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it has a 4 phase tripled component VRM with decent surface area heatsinks

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besides zen 2 is incredibly power efficient

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it wouldn't matter

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oh and just fyi, TDP means nothing

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9900k has 95w TDP but usually runs way hotter than a 2700x with a 105w TDP

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so could you answer my question, what is the main purpose of your build? @dusk jay

dusk jay Oct 17, 2019, 11:48 PM

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gaming casual editing and streaming

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all at 1080p

river atlas Oct 17, 2019, 11:49 PM

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I wouldn't recommend that noctua cooler at that price

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it's not competitive with other coolers around that price

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also the RAM is kind of overpriced, there are cheaper samsung B die kits which are RGB

dusk jay Oct 17, 2019, 11:52 PM

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can you send me links to some better products?

river atlas Oct 17, 2019, 11:52 PM

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I'll edit the list out for you, gimme a sec

dusk jay Oct 17, 2019, 11:55 PM

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k

river atlas Oct 17, 2019, 11:56 PM

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do you really need RTX cards for specific RTX features?

dusk jay Oct 17, 2019, 11:57 PM

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I really like them and want the RTX 2070 Super because the 5700xt has driver issues also I LOVE Minecraft and raytracing for it would be a nice side feature (even tho I can get optifine lol)

river atlas Oct 17, 2019, 11:59 PM

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and do you really need 32GB of RAM?

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:00 AM

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I want to upgrade to it later so why not do it now

urban ferry Oct 18, 2019, 12:00 AM

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just get 2x8 and then later get 2x8 if you need it

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:00 AM

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4x8 isn't good though

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especially on ryzen

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2x16 is better

urban ferry Oct 18, 2019, 12:01 AM

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oopsies

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i have 4x8

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:01 AM

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4x8 stresses the ryzen IMC

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:01 AM

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yea its hard on the CPU and it doesnt support quad channel

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Hmmm

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:01 AM

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always go 2x16 whenever you can

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over 4x8

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unless your CPU supports quad channel

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which ryzen CPUs dont

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:02 AM

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If you dont have 128g of ram what r u doing

polar vault Oct 18, 2019, 12:02 AM

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128 gram of RAM?

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You gon smoke it or what? GWlulurdMegaLul

urban ferry Oct 18, 2019, 12:03 AM

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my dad has 128

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dog_Laugh

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i have 32

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Gb

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U know wat i ment

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Meant

urban ferry Oct 18, 2019, 12:03 AM

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clubpenguin_dance

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:04 AM

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128? weak

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I run 4TB on my server racks

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I didnt realize we were building servers

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But ok

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4tb aint nun

polar vault Oct 18, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I actually read it as gram the first time I saw your message, it’s a habit

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Oof. Drug addict or wat

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:06 AM

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@dusk jay https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Wfjcq

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didn't find cheaper B die for 2x16

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Ryzen is 🗑

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:07 AM

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if ryzen is trash intel might as well be unrecyclable trash

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bad comparison

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:07 AM

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They’re all trash

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I make my own

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:07 AM

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yes, just build your own CPU

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I made mine out of preons

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achieving inverse planck instant clock speed

dense cedar Oct 18, 2019, 12:08 AM

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My cpu is made of pin needles

polar vault Oct 18, 2019, 12:08 AM

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@naive pendant Not a drug addict, g just usually stands for gram or gravity

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:09 AM

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~~g is reserved for my boyfriend~~

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:09 AM

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https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813145160?Description=x570&cm_re=x570-_-13-145-160-_-Product i think I am gonna get this mobo

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:10 AM

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yeah that one is good as well

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although it lacks wifi which the TUF has

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:11 AM

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nvm meant this one lol https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813145165

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:11 AM

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I just want to pull the trigger on that aorus xtreme but $700

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:12 AM

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yea thats too much but do you think that mobo is worth it

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:13 AM

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it's the only mobo other than the aqua (which is worse in terms of hardware specs) which is passively cooled for the chipset

devout mothBOT Oct 18, 2019, 12:14 AM

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gal#9514 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Ok buddy

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:14 AM

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you'd get banned for saying that if a mod saw it

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:14 AM

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I didnt realize that was a bad word but ok

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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what did he say?

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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uh it's related to anime I guess

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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also that gigabyte mobo has bios issues @river atlas

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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that should answer it

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aorus elite wifi?

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never heard of any BIOS issues for it

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:16 AM

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yes

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:16 AM

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it's likely some old article at the time of zen 2 release

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when all mobos had BIOS issues

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new BIOS versions should completely fix it

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and it also has BIOS flashback

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so you don't need anything other than power to update BIOS

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:17 AM

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📎 unknown.png

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:17 AM

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So ryzen is better if u want more memory

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And intel is better on performance

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:17 AM

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thats not how it works

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@naive pendant

polar vault Oct 18, 2019, 12:18 AM

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USB flashback Pog

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:18 AM

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@dusk jay it might be one single isolated issue

naive pendant Oct 18, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Idk. I only fk with intel

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:18 AM

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but 3 people saying it is a lot

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:18 AM

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get the TUF wifi then

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:18 AM

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what do you think then @river atlas

polar vault Oct 18, 2019, 12:19 AM

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That’s another board

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:19 AM

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I've personally never heard of any issues

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and if it was widespread it would be on youtube

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:19 AM

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ok so the gigabyte one?

river atlas Oct 18, 2019, 12:19 AM

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yeah, and you can RMA it if it's really problematic

dusk jay Oct 18, 2019, 12:36 AM

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yes i mean my system should work and if it doesnt ill get new mobo

quaint current Oct 18, 2019, 1:18 AM

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cant wait til this drops https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X570-UNIFY

MEG X570 UNIFY

Unify your power and join the dark side. Win games and set records with 12+2+1 IR digital power, All-Metal Extended Heatsink, Triple Lightning M.2 with Shield Frozr, Audio Boost HD, Game Boost and 2.5G Gaming LAN plus WIFI 6 solution

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its supposed to be around 250 iirc

sharp blaze Oct 18, 2019, 1:29 AM

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The specs look decent, but I would guess closer to $500

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somewhere in the $400 to $500 range

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actually nevermind, might be closer to $300

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vrm is doubled and it doesnt have rgb

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Still looks like a relatively solid board

quaint current Oct 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

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the only price i could fine was on guru3d and it said 239usd

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that'd be an amazing board if it was true

blissful dragon Oct 19, 2019, 2:59 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHus41U0T14

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sleek musk Oct 19, 2019, 10:24 PM

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need help anyone here knows anything that i do to test a mobo without a cpu to make sure it works before i get the cpu only have 15 days of warranty and was wondering if i can test without cpu

sharp blaze Oct 20, 2019, 3:48 AM

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You can't really test without a cpu

ancient raven Oct 20, 2019, 5:20 AM

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i need the suggetion where to buy the motherboard, supports upto 64 GB ddr4 Ram, Processor upto 8-10 core with HT. ddr 4 RAM 2133Mz. 1000wat SMPS, graphics card, i preferred old hardware.

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need the suggetion where to buy the below OLd but good condtion hardware ?
motherboard supports upto 64 GB ddr4 Ram,
Processor upto 8-10 core with HT.
ddr 4 RAM 2133Mz.
1000wat SMPS,
2-4 graphics card,

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what is the cost of 4tb sata 72000RPM ?

elfin roost Oct 20, 2019, 5:23 AM

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the best chance youre going to have is going to be looking for used

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hardware

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on websites like ebay

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or facebook

ancient raven Oct 20, 2019, 5:25 AM

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thanks @elfin roost but i checked on facebook and ebay but difficult to find the exact required hardware

elfin roost Oct 20, 2019, 5:25 AM

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i mean when youre going for old hardware thats no longer produced you cant expect to be able to find the hardware readily available

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your best bet is going with new hardware

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if you want to find it readily available

ancient raven Oct 20, 2019, 5:29 AM

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hi @elfin roost can you help me to choose the right product in ebay..

elfin roost Oct 20, 2019, 5:30 AM

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i mean its really if the product matches your needs

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im not up to date on old hardware

ancient raven Oct 20, 2019, 5:32 AM

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ok

oak urchin Oct 20, 2019, 5:36 AM

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You think a x99 rampage is real outdated? I cant do netflix 4k cause the cpu is before intel went and supported it or i would keep it

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Running 980 sli as well

river atlas Oct 20, 2019, 6:01 AM

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get new hardware

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it's quite cheap used if you buy right parts

oak urchin Oct 20, 2019, 10:32 AM

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Is SLI a thing still. Say 2070 or 2080ti sli?

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I’ve always done that

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I was so exited last build cause mobo ddr4 chipset video card all came out same day I knew I had to upgrade

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That timing rarely happens

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I been looking with awe at the gaming tv’s as well

quaint current Oct 20, 2019, 12:00 PM

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sli is dead unless you use it for productivity where it can use the vram and shared cores, for gaming its useless for the most part

river atlas Oct 20, 2019, 9:59 PM

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gaming TVs are still much worse than monitors

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especially in terms of input lag and response times

static matrix Oct 21, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Some Intel Z370 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Coffee Lake Refresh CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions. <--- how important is that warning in pcpartpicker

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 3:50 AM

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what is your list?

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can you send it here

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it's not that important if your board has BIOS flashback

static matrix Oct 21, 2019, 3:51 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vLvM8M

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 3:51 AM

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well glad you sent it

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a lot of things can be improved

static matrix Oct 21, 2019, 3:52 AM

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open ears 🙂

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 3:52 AM

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the 9900k firstly

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it's not needed

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especially with the resolution you're playing at

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seems like your budget is 5k?

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I can make a 2080ti SLI build for that

dense cedar Oct 21, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Sli isn't much of a boost to his performance if they're just gaming though

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unless he's doing other stuff

static matrix Oct 21, 2019, 3:55 AM

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changed to 9700k

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just mainly gaming

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 3:57 AM

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still a performance boost

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only gaming?

static matrix Oct 21, 2019, 3:57 AM

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ye i know the budget a bit overboard but i have been saving for awhile

dense cedar Oct 21, 2019, 3:58 AM

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I can tell

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you have like 400 dollars worth of rgb

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fans

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 3:59 AM

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also, the 2 144hz monitors is not recommended

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I doubt you're playing on them both

static matrix Oct 21, 2019, 3:59 AM

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i will not be

dense cedar Oct 21, 2019, 3:59 AM

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do you stream

static matrix Oct 21, 2019, 3:59 AM

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and no

dense cedar Oct 21, 2019, 4:00 AM

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you don't need both to be so expensive then

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if you really want multi display get on really high spec monitor and another decent one

static matrix Oct 21, 2019, 4:00 AM

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but is it not better to have same like kind for seamless transition or something?

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 4:01 AM

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even identical monitors can look way different

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due to calibration

dense cedar Oct 21, 2019, 4:01 AM

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yeah

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monitors are luck of the draw tbh

static matrix Oct 21, 2019, 4:02 AM

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what shall my 2ndary moniters be 4k? 1080p 240hz?

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 4:02 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VgdkTC

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here

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even with identical monitors its cheaper

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lol

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the rest of the money can be spent on RGB halos

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to make the noctua fans RGB

naive pendant Oct 21, 2019, 4:03 AM

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That's a nice build list, 9900k + 2080 ti is great 🙂

dense cedar Oct 21, 2019, 4:03 AM

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PHANTEKS RGB STRIPS

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PHANTEKS RGB STRIPS

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YESYESYES

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blob blob

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 4:03 AM

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phanteks RGB fan halos

dense cedar Oct 21, 2019, 4:03 AM

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yesyesyes

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Rgb monitors

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Rgb everything

static matrix Oct 21, 2019, 4:04 AM

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im liking your build better but i probt wont need two gpus

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 4:05 AM

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then you can drop one off

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and save 1k

dense cedar Oct 21, 2019, 4:06 AM

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a thousand dollars worth of rgb strips

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😋

naive pendant Oct 21, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Open to input?

ruby vale Oct 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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is there much difference from 3200mhz to 3600mhz for ram?

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 6:08 AM

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theres more to it than just speed

ruby vale Oct 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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oh, please explain

river atlas Oct 21, 2019, 6:12 AM

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there's timings to consider (primary, secondary, tertiary, hundreds of them literally), memory rank, amount of memory channels, specific board by board BIOS optimization, CPU IMC power, memory vendor revision etc

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it's not just 'oh buy 3200 over 3000 because it's faster'

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or something like that

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what CPU do you have?

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as long as you aren't running quad channel on zen/zen+, both should be able to run

ruby vale Oct 21, 2019, 6:17 AM

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oh my thats alot more than i thought 🤣

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its r7 3800x

naive pendant Oct 21, 2019, 9:51 AM

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hello, i have a few questions

stuck basin Oct 22, 2019, 1:36 AM

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Soooo my PC keeps getting bsod'd

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It happened twice last night

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Twice in the last 2 hrs

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Not sure what is causing it or how to fix it

dusk oracle Oct 22, 2019, 3:32 AM

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when it happens if shows you what the error might be or an error code which you can google what is the cause of it

true dome Oct 22, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Hey all, just finally getting my setup together and am running into some issues. My pc boots up but won’t register to the monitor. My ram, aio cpu cooler, gpu, and psu seem to all be working fine however nothing else that I connect to the motherboard such as my keyboard,mouse, and mousepad are even responding with their rgb. Is my motherboard DOA?

naive pendant Oct 22, 2019, 8:48 PM

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is it just the RGB that isn't working? do the keyboard and other things respond to other input, you typing or using the mouse? cuz you will need to install a piece of software (or more than one if the RGB parts are all from different manufacturers) to get the RGB to work

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or at least to control it fully

grizzled juniper Oct 23, 2019, 4:12 AM

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I need to order 16GB ram for my Gigabyte Z370M DS3H motherboard. What memory should I buy at the least cost?

hasty marsh Oct 23, 2019, 4:13 AM

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most 16gb of ram nowadays are below 70

solemn raven Oct 23, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Looking for a motherboard for a new build. Ryzen 3700x with 32gb of ram. Not into RGB and probably wont OC.

weak hamlet Oct 23, 2019, 7:52 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145161

dusk oracle Oct 23, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Why not get the 3800X instead

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@weak hamlet did you look at the reviews on that board you suggested?

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lot of reviews on there for the system not posting with that board

solemn raven Oct 23, 2019, 8:14 PM

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@dusk oracle I'll check out 3800x too. Is it that much better than 3700x?

dusk oracle Oct 23, 2019, 8:15 PM

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It would have a higher standard clock and if you don't plan on overclocking it would be better then

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@solemn raven are you doing more than just gaming i would assume?

solemn raven Oct 23, 2019, 8:17 PM

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@dusk oracle mostly as a workstation for video/photo editing. Some gaming in there.

dusk oracle Oct 23, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Ok so the 3700X/3800X would be perfect for that

solemn raven Oct 23, 2019, 8:26 PM

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@dusk oracle Cool. Just need to find a good mobo. Way too many choices and I dont need it to have lights.

dusk oracle Oct 23, 2019, 8:27 PM

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@solemn raven i would suggest this https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157885

weak hamlet Oct 23, 2019, 8:39 PM

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I have that same exact board, it post fine.

dusk oracle Oct 23, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Well you got lucky then since there is so many reviews of it not posting

solemn raven Oct 23, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Thanks @dusk oracle !

dusk oracle Oct 23, 2019, 9:16 PM

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np

naive pendant Oct 23, 2019, 9:36 PM

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I thought you had a gaming x , not a steel legend

dusk oracle Oct 23, 2019, 9:37 PM

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who?

naive pendant Oct 23, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Box

dusk oracle Oct 23, 2019, 9:40 PM

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ok

sleek musk Oct 23, 2019, 10:38 PM

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any one use uphere fans having issues with connecting aura sync to them

river atlas Oct 24, 2019, 3:10 AM

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3800X is useless

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not recommended

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it offers very little to no advantage over a 3700x

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for more money

naive pendant Oct 24, 2019, 4:11 AM

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Pretty much -though, they did drop the price, and if someone wants to pay $30 or w/e more for a slightly better bin - I'm certainly not complaining

quaint current Oct 24, 2019, 5:02 PM

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^

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the mc price is $30 more for 200mhz higher, and $30 off for a mobo

quaint current Oct 24, 2019, 10:53 PM

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👀

zenith dawn Oct 27, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Being October 26th would it be reasonable to assume the MSI B450 Tomahawk ships ready for ryzen gen 3? I’m wanting to use the 3600 in my next build but finding a mobo for the right price just hasn’t been that easy for me

harsh plank Oct 27, 2019, 2:37 AM

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The tomahawk max does, with the regular tomahawk you need an older gen cpu to flash the bios, I was looking at the exact same one and I'm trying to get my hands on the max so I don't have to deal with the bios

sand agate Oct 27, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Hey, I'm looking for a new mobo to get, and the CPU i found has deals that include a mobo, but I'm not sure which is better there are three mobos, and I'm not really sure which is better.

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is it ok if i post an amazon link?

ebon imp Oct 27, 2019, 6:05 AM

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You could just post the model names if your worried about links

sand agate Oct 27, 2019, 6:07 AM

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ok, one sec

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they all have the amd ryzen 7 3700x

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msi mpg x570 gaming pro carbon wifi

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asus rog strix x570-e gaming

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x570 aorus pro wifi

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i would try to do this myself, but i don't know enough yet to make a decent look at those

ebon imp Oct 27, 2019, 6:19 AM

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Out of those the ASUS board is the best being a price category or two above both of the others. So if it's the same price for all 3 get the ASUS one.

sand agate Oct 27, 2019, 6:20 AM

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ok, thank you

ebon imp Oct 27, 2019, 6:20 AM

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No problem

desert parrot Oct 27, 2019, 6:42 AM

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is 60c idle and 80c load bad?

quaint current Oct 27, 2019, 2:06 PM

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80c load is pretty hot, 60c idle is like twice what it should be

dusk oracle Oct 27, 2019, 2:16 PM

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@quaint current if using the Wraith Stealth he is 20c over for idle and his max temp should be on load in the 60's

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But also those temps are telling me overclocked

trim swift Oct 27, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Whenever I turn my pc on it goes to the bios and I have to click boot windows how do I fix this

river atlas Oct 27, 2019, 8:23 PM

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@harsh plank you don't need an older CPU to flash the BIOS on the regular tomahawk

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it has BIOS flashback, so you only need power from the PSU to flash BIOS

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I still wouldn't recommend it for ryzen 3rd gen as it has BIOS compatibility issues

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tomahawk max on the other hand doesn't

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due to the larger BIOS chip mainly

harsh plank Oct 27, 2019, 8:26 PM

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@river atlas ah gotcha, I just know the max is better for 3rd gen since it works right out of the box, thank you for correcting me

shy wyvern Oct 28, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Also, just so everyone knows, lets say you have a third gen capable board but can't flash the bios, if you contact AMD they will lend you a low level cpu (I think a 2200G) for you to flash a bios then mail back to them.

sharp blaze Oct 28, 2019, 1:28 AM

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https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100#faq-Short-Term-Processor-Loan-Boot-Kit

quaint current Oct 28, 2019, 1:45 AM

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i thought it was like a 1c/1t cpu

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o its 2c/4t

sharp blaze Oct 28, 2019, 1:48 AM

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its the cheapest cpu that is guaranteed to work with all the ryzen 3xxxx bios

quaint current Oct 28, 2019, 1:48 AM

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yea

wary cape Oct 28, 2019, 2:04 AM

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B450 is not friendly to the 3700x

quaint current Oct 28, 2019, 2:08 AM

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the b450 tomahawk is like the best budget board for 3600(x)

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but the tomahawk max is only a few bucks more and works with zen2 out of the box

dusk oracle Oct 28, 2019, 12:47 PM

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@shy wyvern It is a 200GE

shy wyvern Oct 28, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Oh, alright.

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I just knew they lended one out

stray raptor Oct 29, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Anyone Know where I can find 16 or 32gb of 2400mhz DDR3 RAM for under 50 bucks? Newegg wants 130 for 16gb of 2400mhz DDR3 and for 32gb of 2400mhz DDR3 200. Just wondering if I will need to save up or if someone has that kind of RAM laying around collecting dust,

hasty marsh Oct 29, 2019, 3:31 AM

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are you specifically looking for ddr3?

naive pendant Oct 29, 2019, 4:26 AM

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2400 is pretty fast for ddr3 - what's your use case?

river atlas Oct 29, 2019, 8:11 AM

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Look around on used sites

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DDR3 is sadly rare now so prices can be unreasonable

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Its out of the cheap phase when DDR4 just came out

tulip flint Oct 29, 2019, 10:37 PM

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is the x570 worth it for a ryzen 3600? Or would it be better off with an x470 or b450 ?

dusk oracle Oct 29, 2019, 10:42 PM

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X570 is worth it but you can wait for the B550

tulip flint Oct 29, 2019, 10:42 PM

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I'm trying to help a friend pick out parts for his first build

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I just convinced him that the 3700x isn't really worth it over the 3600, considering that he'll only be gaming on it

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he currently has an x570 board picked out, but I'm wondering if he should step down on that as well

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he'll be ordering his parts at the end of the week

slender fossil Oct 29, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Oh nvm i was gonna say wait for b550

tulip flint Oct 29, 2019, 10:56 PM

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is there a guesstimate on when the b550 boards should be coming out?

urban ferry Oct 29, 2019, 11:01 PM

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saturday mouth

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jkjk i have no clue

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clubpenguin_dance

sharp blaze Oct 30, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Wont happen until after the 3950x launches which is supposed to be Nov 30. So I wouldn't bet on it being available 100% this year

naive pendant Oct 30, 2019, 12:58 PM

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1C_DCln4Vg459OC-7jzmCH_DTcUedhAGl x570 master f7F bios 1.0.0.4 beta bios

weak hamlet Oct 30, 2019, 1:00 PM

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never

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beta

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bios.

river atlas Oct 30, 2019, 1:31 PM

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if it has BIOS flashback beta BIOS isnt a problem

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@tulip flint get the b450 max boards from MSI

naive pendant Oct 30, 2019, 1:34 PM

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I wouldn't be too confident haha. The earlier beta bios, N18 - was pretty sketch, thankfully more boards come with 2 or more bios's, and at least one using a non soldered chip.

tulip flint Oct 30, 2019, 2:01 PM

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yeah that was my suggestion to him

topaz bone Oct 30, 2019, 3:16 PM

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hello im trying to build a new pc and it has been about 8 years since I have had to upgrade my motherboard, when I built my pc 8 years ago they had motherboards with built in graphics cards now it says that its a cpu intergrated gpu and I was wondering how that worked? because I am a little shy on money right now and im trying to build a pc that will run modern day wow on at least medium quality until I can afford to buy a new gpu

river atlas Oct 30, 2019, 5:15 PM

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how much money do you have? @topaz bone

naive pendant Oct 30, 2019, 6:16 PM

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will any microcode update will be applied through the bios?

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rather, through a bios update

silent brook Oct 30, 2019, 9:09 PM

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@tulip flint msi gaming plus b450 max working wonderfully with my ryzen5 3600 ^^

harsh plank Oct 31, 2019, 12:33 AM

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@silent brook did it work right out of the box?

silent brook Oct 31, 2019, 12:57 AM

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@harsh plank yeahp make sure its the MAX that youre buying

wary cape Oct 31, 2019, 12:57 AM

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is the bios 40 or 42f?

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oh sorry wrong number

silent brook Oct 31, 2019, 12:58 AM

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📎 20191017_175544.jpg

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this one is my Bios version o:

wary cape Oct 31, 2019, 12:58 AM

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is that before or after the destiny fix?