cpus-mobo-and-memory

[cursive epoch]

And maybe a run of prime95

[plain vortex]

https://prime95.net/

and this? https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads?srsltid=AfmBOooqwkGHD_QJ8e-d79hI1-OknCSHszVH5YZ49khNzAI61JOoQCY0

[cursive epoch]

Those are the correct links

[plain vortex]

Alright I'm downloading them

If the PC doesn't crash on either it should be good right?

[cursive epoch]

Yeah

You wanna run prime95 for a couple hours at least tho

Small FFT

SSE or AVX shouldn't matter iirc

But don't test AVX 512, your cpu doesn't support that haha

[plain vortex]

like this then?

[plain vortex]

for cinebench default settings right?

multicore

[cursive epoch]

Yah

You're on the right track for both

[plain vortex]

Alright thanks! I'll run cine bench now and leave prime running when I leave in a couple of hours

[tender sleet]

Is something like the 14700K still relevant?

For gaming (after the prices kinda bottoming out)

[plain vortex]

cinebench is done with no crashing

it got a bit toasty lol

but it's idling a lot cooler now after the undervolt

[cursive epoch]

Hell no, not with the cpu degradation risk

[cursive epoch]

Niceee

Also yeah it's easy af to make a zen 2+ cpu run cool at stock clocks with negative CO

[plain vortex]

do you think it'd be worth trying a -25 or -30 undervolt?

[plain vortex]

Yeah it dropped like 10 degrees lol

[cursive epoch]

If it's stable I don't see why you wouldn't try

[plain vortex]

Alright thanks!

[cursive epoch]

Gotta be a bit lucky past 20 tho

[plain vortex]

I'll try later and see what can I get haha

[cursive epoch]

gl

[plain vortex]

Thanks, and thanks for the help!

[cursive epoch]

yw

[vagrant mist]

Perish

Scum

[sudden creek]

That's still not solved? I thought the bios updates were supposed to fix that.

[hollow thorn]

it has been fixed

not many real reports since 0x12b

[sudden creek]

Oh that's good.

[sudden creek]

Does 14th gen still perform the same or did it lose performance due to the new bios?

[hollow thorn]

nothing measurable iirc

[sudden creek]

That's good at least.

[meager elbow]

fixed but still a ton of degraded cpus on the used market

[tender sleet]

I'd buy the chip new ye

It's a literal minefield

[sudden creek]

Does anyone know if this ram kit has Hynix M Die for the ICs?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CQP4KQ36/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AWD7GDDT7Q2ZT&th=1

At $270 I am tempted to purchase it.

.
Also does anyone know what ICs this kit uses? I have been having a hard time finding any information on that.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D2888BLV/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_3?smid=A3TOECTKC4OEBD&psc=1

[sudden creek]

Gotcha so avoid the used ones. I am guessing there are those trying to sell the degraded cpus as works like new.

[umbral finch]

i wanted to use the 2x4 setup from my last laptop instead of 8 on my new one ( in the mean time to getting 2x8)

but

i thought about

8 + 4 gig setup

whats the worst that can happen!

both are same speed to all i know

[meager elbow]

Just make sure the laptop does have the 2 sodimm slots and is the same generation

Ram is not compatible between generations

[scenic solar]

I tried plugging in antennas to a asrock z370 to get better bt signal, but as I went to screw in the first one the pc shut off.
what's going on?

I think asrock stupid design choices led to the metal shell touching that smd component

it better turn back on

[limber dragon]

Given that metal shell is soldered in place, I doubt that's the issue tbh

[lusty wadi]

which cpu preform better in gaming ryzen 5 7600x or ryzen 5 7500f or ryzen 5 9600x don't compare the price they the same price were i live just performance (and will like to also compare them with ryzen 5 7600X3D its 100 euro more )

[hollow thorn]

A light game that shows scaling, 7500f is between 12400 and 7600 on the chart.

[scenic solar]

it's not the one on the right, but the one as in the picture. apparently the metal shell has a less than 1mm clearance from that component, that after coming loose caused the parts to touch

could have been replaced with a non original one too, it's a 2nd hand mb

seems to be original nvm

[lyric turret]

Ofc the 9800x3d goes out of stock when I’m about to order

[sudden creek]

RIP, I know the feeling.

[sudden creek]

Does anyone know why my internet connection has been dropping? I noticed that my pc's internet connection sometimes will disappear and takes forever to come back but by replugging my ethernet cable it immediately comes back. Other devices experience no internet drops.

I am wondering if it's a bad ethernet cable.

[sudden creek]

Wifi works perfectly fine so far.

Issue seems to be limited to when using Ethernet.

[limber dragon]

Cable or nic in the board most likely, but chance it's the router too

[sudden creek]

Any suggestions on how I can test for the issue? I do not have another ethernet cable on hand currently.

[limber dragon]

see if the driver is dropping in event viewer, or try plugging it into a different port on your switch

[dusty field]

Anybody know what to do when my power reporting deviation hits a high number and shuts off both my monitors and my keyboard and mouse but my pc stays turned on but I cant see anything anymore?

[eternal coyote]

Hey guys, anyone knows if this mb supports 9005? https://www.newegg.com/supermicro-h13ssl-nt-amd-epyc-9004-series-processors/p/N82E16813183820

[potent dew]

It says it supports 9004 and 9005 series EPYCs

It uses the same SP5 socket

[mild jackal]

Yes, but only the revision as noted on the supermicro spec page for that board. I bought one off Newegg and got the 1.0, sadly.

Force flashed it for turin, will fail to boot on any 500w chips

[umbral finch]

is this bad

i had one of those short m.2 sticks from my and dead laptop

plugged it into my new one

and its always running hot

when i plugged it in , i used tape to secure it , because its too short to be screwed

but it didn't not tape over the things

what were they called?

i only taped it from the edge of the board

will it be safe to use at this temprature

[hollow thorn]

it's going to be throttling at those temps, best to get a heatsink over it if you can

not harmful to the drive yet at that temp but it'll be throttling to stay under thermal limits

[shut thicket]

If it is idle then it seems rather high

[spice fog]

can't wait to finish school and see how much of a gain i get from the 200S boost thing

[shut thicket]

Watching the derbawuer video it looks to be negligible

[sudden creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkmZjC_likE

[lyric turret]

im updating my bios but do i put this whole folder inside of my usb\

[lyric turret]

?

[thick thorn]

Seeing some talk about 14900k and 13900k stability issues. I was planning on buying one of the two for my upcoming build. Do you guys recommend one over the other, or would it be best to skip them entirely? I'm also considering a 9800x3d but it's a bit pricier at the minute.

[hollow thorn]

What's your goal for it? The stability issues have been patched out with 0x12b, but in general 9800x3d will perform significantly better in many tasks

[thick thorn]

I use my pc as a work station as well as for games, things like amd's vivado/vitis/etc

[lyric turret]

I have a red light at boot on my mobo any ideas on how to fix it

[hollow thorn]

I'm not too sure how well performance in vivado scales with core count or single core perf, safe bet would probably be something like 9900x actually

[hollow thorn]

if it boots, debug leds cycling through is normal, ignore it

[thick thorn]

I'll take a look, thanks! Thoughts on it vs something like the 7800x3d?

[hollow thorn]

x3d definitely wins for games, but when I used vivado, it did seem to be able to use every core, so I'd say it's definitely possible that you'll see better results with the extra cores with a 9900x

[lyric turret]

Oh bet

It boots I think it stays running but it cycles the lights but then the red boot light just stays red, is it bc I don’t got a usb with Windows yet

[hollow thorn]

Debug LEDs stay on for whichever step it ran into a problem with

[plain vortex]

I'm helping a friend configure an 9600x system which of these would this be a good motherboard for it? I'm leaning towards the MSI gaming plus
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pqkqqs/asrock-b850-pro-a-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b850-pro-a-wifi

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/szfxFT/msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-plus-wifi

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KtcgXL/asus-prime-b650-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-prime-b650-plus-wifi

[feral anchor]

If i could send pictures it would be amazing

[feral anchor]

Brother dont go with asus

Go with msi their very helpful

Customer support

[slender otter]

you gotta reach regular rank to do so, so basically staying here and talking for a bit

[feral anchor]

Ah

[slender otter]

shouldn't take too long to reach tho

[feral anchor]

Okay so

[plain vortex]

yeah, i ended up sending him the msi one

[feral anchor]

Great

Okay SO

[plain vortex]

great price for that board

[feral anchor]

Ram no work cpu error light top nvme slot stopped working for 2 weeks back to normal top pcie stopped working and when i was troubleshooting my pcie slot not working i plugged it into my igpu(I restarted it before dont worry) and when i cut it on BAM black and green lines absolute everywhere

[slender otter]

to send images use this:https://postimages.org/

[feral anchor]

https://postimages.org/

Lmk if i did it

[slender otter]

black and green lines..

[feral anchor]

Yep

Not my display cable its known working

[slender otter]

there's no image shown btw...

[feral anchor]

Damnit

[slender otter]

lemme send example

[feral anchor]

When i click on the pictures of it its there but no link or something to copy

[slender otter]

supposed to be something like this:

[feral anchor]

Oh

[slender otter]

try the direct link first

if it doesn't work try link

[feral anchor]

https://postimg.cc/gallery/2mvYWzT

Here i didnt know i had to wait for it to upload

Thiught it was instanous

[slender otter]

ok now i see it

[feral anchor]

Ignore crap camera its a iphone X

[slender otter]

have you tried using one ramstick?

[feral anchor]

Yes

[slender otter]

and you inserted into each slot one by one?

[feral anchor]

The white one is working 100%

Yeppers

[feral anchor]

But

Not anymore

[slender otter]

what about the other sticks?

[feral anchor]

The ram errors stopped after using the white one

Both bad

[slender otter]

icic

[feral anchor]

Same thing all around

[feral anchor]

But started up again a few days later

[slender otter]

that red light is for CPU or RAM?

[feral anchor]

CPU

[slender otter]

ok

[feral anchor]

but thats pretty common from the youtube videos ive seen

[slender otter]

one second, looking through the manual

[feral anchor]

Manual? Whats that dont use the M slur 🥀🥀

[slender otter]

bruh

[feral anchor]

Lol im messing with i

[slender otter]

ik

[feral anchor]

U i read the manual how i found out i was missing the nvme screws

[slender otter]

interesting

yea you gotta leave the nvme screwed down tight

leaving it loose will introduce problems

[feral anchor]

Yea asus customer support told me to BUY!!!!!! BUY I TELL YOU!!! Corsair gave me stuff tghat i was missing they dgaf abt a “warranty”

Dont worry

I REFUNDED most of my steam libary to pay out of pocket 15$ for a screw pack

😤

[slender otter]

lol

anyways was the red cpu light flashing or just stayed static?

[feral anchor]

Also another note it took me a hour to find asuses customer support i clicked on link sent me to another and so forth

Static

The dram flashes but only on startup when it trains or whatever

Unfortunately my motherboard is used and was used for gpu testing

So maybe that has something to do with allthus

[slender otter]

maybe but if you're getting those green lines from igpu on display that means something in the cpu might be borked

or it could be the faulty memory

Install the white ram stick on the most stable slot (so you can boot), and try to reseat the cpu

[feral anchor]

Man they are all funky slots

I might just save up and buy new motherboard cpu and ram

I have literally 0.00

$

[slender otter]

do you still have ur old build?

[feral anchor]

Yea

But its absolutely BUNS

it sucks so bad

[slender otter]

it may suck but it works

[feral anchor]

6gb ddr3 and a i5-650

Tea

But all of my data is on nvme

[slender otter]

also congrats, ur a regular

[feral anchor]

Oh yayy

YESSS

My gpus i own

[slender otter]

you can post images now but please do it in moderation AND know the rules

[feral anchor]

Radeon7850 gtx 770 and 4099

[slender otter]

hold up

[feral anchor]

Yeppers

[slender otter]

install GTX 770 to new pc

[feral anchor]

Thats what i was using lmao

[slender otter]

so did you plug into igpu or gpu?

[feral anchor]

I have a 200$ case (hyte y60) and a 150$ chair

Iglu

Gpu no displau but was booting with sounds of w11

Google ai (ikik i hate to even mention ai) said cpu error

[slender otter]

did the GTX 770 work on your old build?

[feral anchor]

Yea

It still works

Im using it rn just woth the riser in a different slo

[slender otter]

a riser?

why?

[feral anchor]

Bc my case is vertical mount omly?

Let me send pics of my cases

[slender otter]

☠️

[feral anchor]

I love my y60 but its such a drag to troubleshoot with

Thinking abt returning it

[slender otter]

ok, so when you boot with igpu you see those awful green lines

[feral anchor]

Was only once

OKAY SO

LET ME MENTION

it booted without cpu error that time

I restarted it and was back to cpu light

[slender otter]

something is wrong with either the cpu or ram

[feral anchor]

100%

[slender otter]

i really do think you should try reseating the cpu

who knows

it could be bad contact

[feral anchor]

I already tried twice

And inspected pins

All look fine

Except for one but its like that on both sides so ig its normal

[slender otter]

do u have any other ram sticks

[feral anchor]

Nope

Went from ddr3 to ddr4

[slender otter]

cooked

[feral anchor]

Probably not

[slender otter]

ok, if possible can you try to boot into windows with ur igpu?

and attempt to install GTX 770 drivers?

[feral anchor]

Lol

Their up to date

They stopped in loke 2022

Its my motherboard my gpu is fine

Either mobo cpu or ram

[slender otter]

not asking if its up to date but if its installed on ur system (probably is)

[feral anchor]

Ye

Yes

How do i know?

When I upgraded to ssd and tried to play a game lets just say a jar of peanut butter could have ran it better

So i tried a very EASY to run game and it sucked

So i looked at my windows updates and whadaya know they cancelled before finishing

[slender otter]

lol

[feral anchor]

My cpu is 13$

Which is very lucky for me

My motherboard not so much i found one for 50$ but i dont have a dollar to my name

I want to buy the motherboard incase there is something wrong with the motherboard

[slender otter]

ok is there a setting in ur bios where you can switch igpu to gpu?

[feral anchor]

Probably so but i dont feel like doing it

[slender otter]

if so do that, and plug a display cord into the gpu

oh

[feral anchor]

My gpu is 100% fine

Its been tested to the absolute maxinum in sons of the forest

A pretty hard to run game for my gpu

But it does it on ultra settings at 30 solid fps

Some frame spikes when turning around tho

This has got to be a cpu error i have never gotten this on my gpu ONLY when i switched to cpu

[slender otter]

not much i can do but to upgrade or replace most of them someday

[feral anchor]

Yep

Me and my gtx 770 against the world man ✊😔

Looking at a 3060 if i can round up 350$ want the asus tuf but that would go against my no asus policy

[slender otter]

lol, hope u can find a solution. Welcome to newegg

[feral anchor]

I only joined for a giveaway

Has there been a update lol?

[slender otter]

not sure but funnily enough i also joined years back foor a goveaway

[feral anchor]

Lmfao

[slender otter]

now its kinda my main server i frequent

[feral anchor]

It was a white pc build i think

Prettt high end stuff cant rmb the details thooo

My gtx 770 and radeon7850 are basically the same age 2 years apart i think 770 absolutely beats the breaks off the 7850 in terms of performance i can run every game i own at absolute maximum 7850 couldnt even do high on the forest

Was my first gpu only got it because it was the desktop version of the gpu in the ps4

[slender otter]

mmm i see

[feral anchor]

Yep i also have a xbox

Which is where i play games on the most

Did i mention i DONT have wifi lol

Only cell service good ol louisiana

Wifi setup cost is 800$ for 20mpbs

[hollow jolt]

been getting bsod due to memory issue, might need to buy new memory?

[hollow thorn]

Run tm5 and see if it errors out

If not, most likely driver issues

[twilit kite]

Gigabyte b650m mobo secretly disable pbo

[hollow jolt]

Is this right?

@hollow thorn

[hollow thorn]

use anta777, different profile

load config and choose anta777

[hollow jolt]

light exterme heavy?

[sudden creek]

extreme is a good choice

[hollow jolt]

sad

I guess its drivers then but what drivers

[scenic solar]

if on a motherboard I'm missing a few VSS and DDR1_DQ/DQSP/DQSN pins, how likely is it that only the first ram slot will be affected? maybe the entire channel? or will it not boot at all?

these are the affected pins, none is actually broken but i feel like some are bent past repair. lga1200 socket

[hollow thorn]

Generally there's some redundancy with vss pins, but that's a whole group of missing vss pins, so there's a good chance that it'll just not boot, if it does, it's a pretty good chance the entire ram channel is unusable

[scenic solar]

thanks, i'll try my best to fix those pins, i'm sure two of them will break. Just need to be careful and patient...

[mild jackal]

For things like VSS/GND, if the pin looks like it'd be risky to try and fix, I'd just snip it with flush cutters and hope for the best

[scenic solar]

i always try my best to bend them back in place, those that break, well... they just won't be repairable

I also make sure none are short circuited otherwise things can only get worse

I just fixed a lga775 mb, but i think one ram slot is dead after being powered on with a single bent and shorted pin

I cannot find a clear lga775 socket pinout tho

[scenic solar]

dayum

[mild jackal]

How did that even happen

That's fixable, but not easy given that the pads are torn

[scenic solar]

idk i got this motherboard as not working for 40€. they said dram led was on after case swap. maybe they hit a standoff when moving the parts

back m2 slot also has minor damage but not to the pins

the broken chip is on the back side of the dimm slots so that explains something

problem is I don't even know what I have to buy as replacement

schematics are 10$ :[

[meager elbow]

they had too much

[sudden creek]

I have finally done it.

Purchased the 7950X, I am going to use it to confirm my booting problems >> claim warranty >> then reuse it as a server cpu.

[sudden creek]

.
Submitted the claim to get this damned 7950x3D warrantied.

[rocky iron]

does anyone think my i7 12700k is the reason why Im not getting enough frames in game? I got a 4070ti, i think my gpu is a little too powerful-

[sudden creek]

game, resolution, and current framerate?

I assume you have things on max settings.

[rocky iron]

Actually dont have them on max, have on high so I can get some more frames

Its fortnite, 1080p and getting like 160 average

Reaches like 200 when nothings happening

My cpu usage is just high and my gpu is a little lower usage

[sudden creek]

160-200 seems about right for Fortnite.

[cursive epoch]

fortnite is weirdly hard to run

so that's normal

especially at max

high is also fairly heavy too

[rocky iron]

damn

is my cpu still underpowered for my gpu?

[sudden creek]

a bit but nothing much

[rocky iron]

alright

[scenic solar]

could these damaged traces behind a mb stop it from working?

[scenic solar]

its from a lot of motherboard labeled as "untested"
from my experience untested ones usually end up being completely dead and its just a way for the seller to get a few bucks extra

i can get that one for 20€, asrock b365 lga1151

[drowsy nymph]

Definitely looks like there’s damage to the traces. I wouldn’t risk it. You can see metal exposed.

Find one with bent cpu pins you can fix. That’s much easier.

[steady wigeon]

Is there really a feature on AMD chips where a manufacturer could lock out a CPU from being used on a different device?

or are they just over exaggerated thoughts

[meager elbow]

Lenovo used it

Not really anybody else did

[steady wigeon]

I’ve got a Lenovo prebuilt

not sure if its installed on there or not

[scenic solar]

ok, its a low end mb too. not worth 20€

I've got better deals for far less

thank you

[wind karma]

Haven't personally heard about locking the cpu but they can certainly lock the motherboard socket (usually done for thermal/tdp reasons)

[brittle minnow]

I got a problem. I have a msi meg x570 ace mobile and I was updating the bios when the power to the house turned off for a couple minutes. Nobody want boot up even though I pushed the clear cmos button. The mobile is throwing a error code 45 ( memory).

[scenic solar]

so far i fixed a few pins, yellow ones have a bent or broken head so i'm not 100% sure they'll work, while orange ones broke off

i still expect channel 1 not to work, hopefully nothing else is affected

[sudden creek]

It's here!

Got it refurbished from Newegg for $357 total and received it after 4+ calls to UPS regarding the carrier not showing up to my home.

[sudden creek]

I also got 5 8GB DDR4 SODIIM RAM sticks today for doing some ram sorting for a computer shop today as a gift/payment.

[spice fog]

whats the 5th one for lol

[warm dune]

So I got curious and decided to look around the pbo settings for my motherboard and realized they were mostly all off. I turned them on and set pbo limits to motherboard spec and the ppt went from 90 to 395. Is that 395 how much the cpu is allowed to ask for or is it how much the motherboard will tell the cpu to draw?

[wind karma]

afaik PBO has the cpu draw as much as it wants as long as it is under the thermal limits

[warm dune]

Ah so then no problem nice. Thanks

[wind karma]

so it's not going to get anywhere near 395 (except subzero cooling maybe?) but given proper cooling it might go over 90

[warm dune]

Looks like with the cooling I have under full load at an average of 4.3ghz it doesn’t really go over 80c from what I understand going over 4.4 is unstable so looks like this is the most I’m getting out of this cpu

[wind karma]

yeah manual OC might squeeze out a bit more but typically PBO and good cooling gets you most of the way

[gritty pagoda]

Need help underclocking / undervolting my 14600K in ASRock bios?

Is there any basic changes I can make to lower its power consumption / temperature?

I mostly game with some light workstation stuff.

[sudden creek]

2 are matching kits, and 1 is a backup incase one of the matching kits has an issue.

[spice fog]

Oh, w

[sudden creek]

https://youtube.com/shorts/GZgjY3Z8lsQ?si=zQ62S0AwK2FsT2Ub

lmao

[scenic solar]

what could be the problem if an i5 7500 tops out at 40w even with prime95?

[scenic solar]

it scores 3000 mc in cinebench r23

which is 1k less than the expected result

[rain badger]

Possibly a power limit

[scenic solar]

are the pins under the am4 socket easier to repair compared to lga sockets?

as long as they're just bent and not broken

[gritty pagoda]

Is disabling some E-cores on my i5-14600K safe?

Using a ASRock B760M PG Riptide.

[thorn pulsar]

Hello. Just joined. I'm wanting to upgrade my desktop from a windows 10 to windows 11. Need to change cpu, motherboard and what else? Not a gamer, just productivity work at home, internet surfing and the like.

built the system about 8 years ago using a newegg spec sheet. Tried using the AI upgrader and that wasn't very good at all. I'd like to change as little as possible on this system. Right now I have
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7100 CPU @ 3.90GHz, 3900 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
Installed RAM 16.0 GB
Storage 466 GB SSD MKNSSDRE500GB, 466 GB HDD WDC WD5000AAKX-083CA1, 932 GB HDD WDC WD10EZEX-75WN4A0
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (4 GB)
BIOS American Megatrends Inc. P2.10, 4/17/2017
ASRock BaseBoard Product B250M-HDV
OS Windows 10 Home
64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

what would you recommend ?

[sudden creek]

You will need to upgrade to a modern CPU which will require a board and likely a ram change as well. Since your not gaming a low end chip will more than suffice. What is your budget?

[thorn pulsar]

I'd like to keep it less than $500.

[sudden creek]

That is definitely doable.

Any aesthetic preferences? I can help pick out some parts for you when I am off work later.

[thorn pulsar]

not really.

I've got a rosewill case with a couple of CD RW drives in it and a wifi-6 adapter. if you think of anything else let me know. thanks for your help.

[sudden creek]

Do you have any thermal paste meant for CPUs on hand?

Do you mind if I DM you the list later?

I need to get back to work now.

[thorn pulsar]

no thermal paste on hand. I do have a static bracelet. Send me the list when you can, no worries. work comes first! TIA

[sudden creek]

@stiff kraken

New account created today, just joined this server today, and more than a bit fishy with that message.

[upper aspen]

I want a lock that hits me

Does it hit me when I put in the wrong key🤣 🤣

[prisma hill]

what do you guys think of this ram and mobo for 5600x

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kXbkcf/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-f4-3200c16d-32gvk

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jQrRsY/asus-prime-b550m-a-wifi-ii-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b550m-a-wifi-ii

[sudden creek]

should work fine.

[prisma hill]

thanks

[spice fog]

do i need a special mobo for a NAS

[midnight pollen]

Not really you can use pretty much anything. But if you plan on expanding your nas connectivity on mobo can be very important. The number of pcie slots, sata ports, etc

[spice fog]

also should i get a pcie expandable storage card? or just stick to m.2s and satas?

[midnight pollen]

Pcie is nice if you want to use different drive controllers, network cards, gpus, or ye just add more m.2 if you really need it. Ofc i would do research first to see what you really need and if you should leave room for expandability later

[ashen anvil]

yes but you dont usually need to

benchmarks show e cores on is better fps

[gritty pagoda]

i disabled 4 E cores

small different in temp

no difference in performance

not hitting 70s anymore

[prisma hill]

What do you guys think of the b350m gaming pro

I heard it has issues with cpu power among other things

id prob use a 5600x with it or 3600

[sudden creek]

This is for a new build or are you trying to reuse parts?

[prisma hill]

Trying to build a pc to sell, saw someone selling that mobo for 60 cad

[prisma hill]

So I'm wondering if that kind of mobo has issues bc if so I prob won't put a 5600x in it and would instead make a lower end pc

[frail kettle]

My pc memory is reading 2666 mhz but i bought gskill trident 4400 mhz. Am i wrong for thinking my sticks are running slower than they should

[wind karma]

You likely need to go into the bios and set the XMP speed

[frail kettle]

i am pretty sure ive done that

maybe i have the sticks in the wrong slots

for dual channel

[wind karma]

Sometimes the monitoring will show 1/2 the speed for unit reasons but 2666*2=5332

[frail kettle]

Is that only if thhe sticks are set in the dual rank channels

or it doesnt matter which sltos they are in

[wind karma]

Idk if wrong slots messes with speed specifically but you could try

It should be in slots 2 and 4

[frail kettle]

i think mine are in 1 and 2

[wind karma]

1 is closest to cpu socket and 4 is furthest

[frail kettle]

So this may be ther problem

[wind karma]

Yeah try 2 and 4, double check what it says in the bios as well

[frail kettle]

This is from the manual... so i think i have it set wrong

[limber dragon]

what cpu and motherboard are you expecting to run 4400mhz on?

[woeful zinc]

my little bro's H510M-D seems to be fried, what mobo should he get? budget ~$60 but preferably less

I3-10100f

[cursive epoch]

another h510 would work

or h610

try to go for used

wait h610 is lga 1700, disregard that

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3Yrp99/asrock-h510m-hdvm2-se-micro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-h510m-hdvm2-se

[woeful zinc]

thanks!

as long as it's reliable enough

[cursive epoch]

shouldn't have any issues with a 10100f

[woeful zinc]

preferably asrock? gigabyte sells one for slightly less than $60

asrock sells it for about $75

[cursive epoch]

hm

well any brand would work

get the gigabyte

[woeful zinc]

alright, thanks for the needed help!

[cobalt harness]

Intel Core i9-14900K or AMD Ryzen 9 9950X and why

[wind karma]

Intel because 14900 > 9950

[sudden creek]

What is the use case?

[spice fog]

Both

[cobalt harness]

gaming. minecraft with shaders, roblox, and mainly microsoft flight simulator 2024

[wind karma]

afaik none of those will benefit from that many cores

7800x3d would be the one to get

[cobalt harness]

yeah but flight sim is quite intensive

[wind karma]

bro did not read what I sent

[cobalt harness]

i did

[wind karma]

https://youtu.be/VsdYnIpHSmA?t=66

[cobalt harness]

i currently have a i9 9900k which has 8 cores and msfs 2024 runs bad

[cobalt harness]

this video doesnt make any sense. why does the ryzen 7 get more fps than a newer model

[wind karma]

x3d has more l3 cache which helps in games

[cobalt harness]

what is equal to a i9 14900k

[wind karma]

idk

why does that matter

[sudden creek]

Notice the X3D at the end of that model's name. In short, all chips hace Cache which asks as fast access memory. More cache = less crucial info needs to be stored on the ram allowing the chip to grab said info and process it quicker.

9950X has higher clock speeds but less cache.

[sudden creek]

14900K is not the fastest from Intel's current lineup either.

Anyways, if your just gaming than grab a 9800x3D or 7800x3D.

[cobalt harness]

how about AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D?

it has a x3d

[sudden creek]

Unless you do any sort of workstation application such as 3D Design, Simulations, etc, you won't notice a difference.

the 9950x3D is a split hybrid design, it has two sets of cores called chiplets, 1 chiplet has the X3D while the other is the same as a 9950X.

[cobalt harness]

the 900x3d is not even on the websitre

[cobalt harness]

or atleast on microcentger

[sudden creek]

It sells out regularly.

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-9800X3D-16-Thread-Desktop-Processor/dp/B0DKFMSMYK/ref=sr_1_1?

I need to go now, but the two I mentioned are your best options if your just gaming.

[kindred bear]

what was the "sweet spot" for the 5800X3D for RAM Mhz? like how 6000mhz is for AM5

[dim cloak]

3600mhz cl14 or 16

[kindred bear]

thats where the memory controller is in sync right

[dim cloak]

correct

[scenic solar]

will any IC-DRAM work on a ThinkPad 340 (2610) as long as it is 8mb or less?

I didnt even know about this ram form factor before and i want to be sure about compatibility with pinout and specs

[lime parcel]

So I'm noticing that the idle temps on my 7950x3d seem high lately, after installing my 9070xt. Idle temps sit around 46 on boot, but after working or gaming idle temps creep up to about 56 and will not drop back down even after long stretches of inactivity. Cooler is a Noctua NH-D15.

[limber dragon]

your gpu is dumping heat into the case and you need better idle airflow

[lime parcel]

That was my first suspicion but I don't think that's the case. Even cranking my case fans up to max RPM for several minutes results in no temperature change.

[lime parcel]

And I'm guessing these things don't typically idle around 50 C.

[spice fog]

Get an aio

[lime parcel]

Should an NH-D15 not be plenty adequate for this CPU?

[hollow thorn]

An aio might help, D15 is good but 7950x3d idles pretty hot in general

[lime parcel]

Hot is fine, I guess I'm just curious if ~50 C idle temps are normal for this CPU

[hollow thorn]

It's a common complaint lol

[lime parcel]

Really? That hot?

[hollow thorn]

as long as it doesn't get too hot under load it doesn't really matter

[lime parcel]

I mean, it'll thermal throttle at like 85 or whatever. I just feel like the thermal performance was better before I put the 9070 in.

[mild jackal]

Tctl/tdie is showing the hottest temp from over 100 sensors across the CPU. High idle temp is a non issue if power draw is normal.

[hollow jolt]

I keep getting BSODs, and the error seems to be related to a memory issue. I've tested the memory, and it appears to be fine, so it's probably a software issue. I ran sfc /scannow and checked Device Manager for any yellow warning triangles, but no problems showed up. I don’t know what else to do to stop the BSODs. I could just ignore it and keep restarting my PC, hoping it turns back on, but it's really annoying.

[sudden creek]

Ambient temp? Also try opening the side panels at full speed just to test

[sudden creek]

What are your load temps?

But honestly your idle doesn't seem that bad.

360mm aio in push/pull with PTM7950 with ambient temp around 15c my 7950x3D idles around 40c give or take and that's with fan speeds around 80%.

[lime parcel]

My load temps tend to shoot right up to 75 almost regardless of what I’m doing. I suspect it only stops there because I have my PBO set to throttle at 75.

[tawny brook]

Hello, I recently bought a b650 Aero G, but the rear USB-C port doesn't work, is there a fix for it?

[wind karma]

Am5 CPUs are meant to go straight up to the throttle limit, by default 95C I think? You're just hurting perf by limiting it to 75

https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/ryzen-7000-series-processors-let-s-talk-about-power-temperature/ba-p/554629

Wait bro you have a 7950x3d and are worried about temps 😭😭

Oh I guess only the non-x3d has the 170W TDP

x3d is still 120W though and can pull up to 140ish

[lime parcel]

I am aware, but summer is here so I’m trying not to turn my room into a greenhouse.

[wind karma]

So you should really care about power draw and not temps

Could try undervoltimg maybe

[lime parcel]

I have my PBO offset at like -20 on the vcache CCD and -5 on the regular one. Can’t seem to get more than -5 on that one though

[bitter portal]

hi i have a question i already have a z490 plus tuf gaming mother board and a case and a psu i also have an i5 10400f with 16gb ram with gtx1650 oc and a budget of 300 bucks max what parts do you think i should upgrade can i get a good cpu gpu combo with that price?

[wind karma]

Keep the 10400f and spend the $300 on a used 6700xt

[sudden creek]

Can pull 200 watts give or take if not power limited.

7950X will draw 250 watts give or take if not power limited.

[wind karma]

Wow

[sudden creek]

My 7950x will chug down roughly 261W peak and 243W sustained under all core loads.

[bitter portal]

Wouldnt a 3070ti be better its pretty much the same price in my country

[wind karma]

It's a bit faster but also only has 8gb of vram

[sudden creek]

Guess it comes down to your resolution then.

[wind karma]

At 1080p 8gb is okay for most games but I'd probably reccomend going with the 6700xt cause 12gb will have you totally set at 1080p and also pretty good at 1440p

[sudden creek]

I finally received my replacement from AMD and got an upgrade as well!

7950x3D to 9950x3D.

[sudden creek]

@stiff kraken @wind karma

[wind karma]

congrats lol

free upgrade is crazy

[sudden creek]

Took a lot of convincing.

I am gonna install it later this week.

I look forward to the performance and oc gains.

I definitely will need a GPU upgrade soon lmao.

[wind karma]

yeah not sure you'll see much of a perf uplift with the 3070

in cpu workloads i guess but not gaming

[sudden creek]

Agreed.

My main hope is reduced stutters in the meantime

[sudden creek]

I need some help, @wind karma, @stiff kraken.

Is there a way for me to do a fresh windows install or reset without losing any of my files on the boot drive?

I plan to swap to the new CPU today so I was thinking a fresh install might be a good idea alongside a bios update.

[wind karma]

You can, though I believe it's not quite as good as a true fresh install

Going from 7950 to 9950 I wouldn't really worry bout it though

[sudden creek]

Gotcha alright.

[magic panther]

Anyone about that wouldn't mind helping me out. I'm needing to upgrade my cpu and maybe even the motherboard if that's needed. But not exactly sure to what. there's three things keeping me from upgrading to windows 11

[sudden creek]

Budget and PC use?

[midnight pollen]

it's prob tpm is my guess

[scenic solar]

will a Samsung kmcj 5322000-08 icmc v4.1 something ram be compatible with a ThinkPad 340 type 2610?

[shy wyvern]

$150 5500x3d about to go crazy for am4 users with 2600/3600

Idk why they didn't do a press release for it

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/5000-series/amd-ryzen-5-5500x3d.html

[wind karma]

^for anyone curious about a comparison, it's a 5600x3d but instead of 3.3-4.4ghz it's 3-4.0

[shy wyvern]

Seems like it'd be pretty close for $150 new

And AMD processors go on regular sale

[wind karma]

Not seeing any source for a $150 msrp

[shy wyvern]

It was on one of the articles I read, idk where they got it

[wind karma]

Probably more like $175-200, seeing as 5600x3d was very limited run and 5700x3d is $250+

[shy wyvern]

9600X is currently $180.

So we'll see how they price it

[wind karma]

Might not even be available worldwide

[shy wyvern]

Yeah the article I was seeing was doing currency conversion

But the issue with that is, U.S. has tech tariffs

So it's not as simple as just importing chips at same cost

Shipping + tariff

I was hoping for cheap bundle too from microcenter

Although microcenter currently has 7600x bundles for $250 I don't think it'll be worth it for bundle when am5 is so cheap now

[wind karma]

Yeah at this point AM4x3d should really only be for people who already have an am4 system and want a drop in upgrade

[shy wyvern]

And tbh if someone is already on am4

I'd just bite the bullet at this point

AM5 already 3 years old

[sudden creek]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-partners-roll-out-new-bios-updates-to-patch-tpm-vulnerability-error-with-amd-cpus-addressed-with-agesa-1-2-0-3e

[fickle swallow]

Does anyone know What is the best intel cpu is for the price/performance is for this mobo

MSI B460M PRO-VDH WiFi ProSeries Motherboard

[spice fog]

Get amd

[fickle swallow]

mobo doesnt support amd i think

[spice fog]

Exactly, it's a intel 10th gen board

Old atp

[fickle swallow]

so jus replace the mobo and cpu then?

[spice fog]

Wait you already have the board?

[fickle swallow]

yes trying to upgrade the pc

[spice fog]

..ah

[fickle swallow]

mb shoulda said that

[spice fog]

yeah i was gonna say why u buyin a 6 yr old cpu

[fickle swallow]

lmfao yep

so just worth replacing both then?

[spice fog]

probably, but if you wanna keep it, i'd say 10700

or 10400 if you wanna go lower

[fickle swallow]

10700KF?

was looking at that one just a bit ago

[spice fog]

yeah, or K if u want bad integrated graphics

i'd go kf

[fickle swallow]

appreciate it

if I were to upgrade the mobo, whats a decent one

[little wigeon]

Is there a gamer friendly amd cpu better than my 3600 for under $200

[sudden creek]

Any B650/X670/X670E motherboard will work fine with 7000 or 9000 series Ryzen CPUs so long as they aren't the 12 or 16 core ones. For 12 core and above ones I suggest a X670 or X670E board as those tend to have better VRMs for power management. Avoid Asus Prime motherboards or the ones that don't have heatsinks covering the VRMs. The little round or square things generally top left side of the board.

I am intentionally recommending the boards that are 1 gen old as that will save you a good bit of money without any performance loss. The only difference on the newer boards are looks and that they have USB 4 I think it was.

[sudden creek]

200 is the max budget?

If so I'd look towards a 5800x3D/5700x3D/5600x3D. Used is probably the best route if your budget is small.

[little wigeon]

Thank you

[autumn spade]

Anyone using the asus crosshair x870e apex?

Considering buying.

[sudden creek]

No point unless your willing to tune the board and spend a month tuning the CPU and RAM as a whole.

[proven nest]

I've got a Windows PC here that hasn't turned on properly in 2 years. It turns on but the GPU doesn't have power and my keyboard does not light up. I took it to a PC tech months ago and he says it could be a power supply issue, but I think it's a motherboard issue since my PSU was bought brand new and the motherboard is 2nd hand and not that good; it also turns on so I don't really think it's the PSU-- unless I'm wrong. What can I do?

Specs
CPU: Ryzen 3 1200
GPU: Biostar Radeon RX560
MOBO: Asus Prime A320M-K
PSU: Silverstone ST50-F
RAM: x1 HyperX Fury 8gb 2666mhz

[split copper]

you can test the supply with another board if you have a different computer on hand

pictures of the psu don't inspire confidence in me...

there are multiple st50fs out there so if you can get the full label info that would narrow it down

lemme look at the new psu tier list

[limber dragon]

I have a PSU that doesn't supply enough 5v and RGB keyboards don't work with it. It'll power a computer without issue and stay on for weeks at a time, but keyboard no work

[spice fog]

Dude just get a new computer how old is that thing😭

[split copper]

not older than my old ones

[proven nest]

Im broke as hell dawg 😭

[spice fog]

Buy some money trust🔥

[sudden creek]

Smells of investment.

[glad quest]

Idk if this is the right place to ask but would this motherboard be ideal for a 9800x3d + 9070 xt build?

ASUS TUF GAMING B850-PLUS WIFI AMD AM5 B850 ATX motherboard, 14+2+1 80A stages, AI Ready, DDR5, PCIe 5.0 , 3x M.2, Wi-Fi 7, 2.5Gb LAN, DisplayPort, HDMI, USB 10Gbps & 20Gbps Type-C, BIOS FlashBack https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-b850-plus-wifi-atx-motherboard-amd-b850-am5/p/N82E16813119705?tpk=1&item=N82E16813119705

Want to pair it with these

G.SKILL Flare X5 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-flare-x5-32gb-ddr5-6000-cas-latency-cl30-desktop-memory-black/p/N82E16820374457?tpk=1&item=N82E16820374457

[hollow thorn]

It would work fine, but it's pretty expensive, you can get something like this that is significantly cheaper at $140 while having pretty similar features
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b850-eagle-wifi6e-atx-motherboard-amd-b850-am5/p/N82E16813145547

[hollow thorn]

The ram is good but you can also get the same performance for $10 cheaper
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-t-create-expert-32gb-ddr5-6000-cas-latency-cl30-desktop-memory-black/p/N82E16820985077

[glad quest]

Oh wait nvm 😭

[glad quest]

Would this work out the box with a 9800x3d?

sorry for the pings

I know the asus tuf mobo does

[hollow thorn]

It's supported out of the box for every bios version

[glad quest]

Okay thanks

[sudden creek]

.

Test

I am reading about Asus's NitroPath DRAM layout for their high end motherboards such as the X870E Extreme, Apex, Hero, Strix E-E. And here's an image showing the main thing they did differently to the slot aside from better traces in the board.

https://edgeup.asus.com/2024/introducing-nitropath-dram-technology-a-revolutionary-dram-slot-design-for-high-end-gaming-motherboards/

Apparently the Gene does not feature their NitroPath DRAM which means the Asus X870E Apex is probably the better overclocking board now since that's a 2 Dimm board.

[storm spoke]

Hello, I'm helping my friend build his pc, and he's getting a solid red and orange light on his computer, any reason why?

Getting mixed responses, saying that the computer needs time for it the CPU and ram to acknowledge the pc, the other half says the there's a seating issue with the ram and cpu

[hollow thorn]

assuming it's the debug LEDs, check the manual for what the lights refer to, it's normal to cycle through the debug LEDs on boot until it gets stuck on something, and only the light it stays stuck at matters

[storm spoke]

We got it

Ram stick location was in channel 1 and 3

We changed it to 2 and 4

And it worked

[icy field]

Anyone around to talk about ram timings?
Just kinda wanna figure out what would be more stable for my ram kit... ive been getting hard crashes and now im thinking its probably ram related.

but I think my kit isnt really being stable right now due to AMD...

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-trident-z5-neo-rgb-series-64gb-ddr5-6000-cas-latency-cl30-desktop-memory-black/p/N82E16820374445?Item=N82E16820374445

Heres my kit 30-40-40-96
Currently running it at EXPO speeds. Should I keep the timings and drop it to 5800mhz or any recommendations?

[sudden creek]

What is your cpu's vSOC voltage at?

I assume you're using an AM5 CPU?

[steep atlas]

Anyone ever come across an issue with MSI motherboards that the pc will fail to boot and will give an error message stating that the XMP profile failed and being you into the bios? Any idea what could be causing that? The ram is rated up to 6000 mhz but defaults to 4800 mhz when xmp profile is off. Maybe the voltage is too low?

MSI B760M-VC Wifi Motherboard, intel i5 14400f and the XMP rating on the ram is XMP 3.0.

[hollow thorn]

What exact ram kit do you have?

[hollow thorn]

It just seems like the ram is unstable at 6000 with default settings

[steep atlas]

TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB DDR5 6000 MHz (2x16GB)

[hollow thorn]

What are the timings?

[steep atlas]

I’m pretty new to this so I took a picture of the xmp profile on the bios

Never mind, I can’t post pics.

38-38-38-78 1.250v. Does that make sense?

[hollow thorn]

Yea that sounds like Samsung, it's possible that it's just the ram being unstable, you can test bumping up dram voltage to 1.35v and seeing if that helps

[steep atlas]

It’s currently set to auto. Should I manually change it?

[hollow thorn]

Assuming xmp is 1.25v, it sounds a bit low, set it to manual and try booting with 1.3v and then 1.35v if that doesn't work

[steep atlas]

So the computer does boot most times. It’s might happen once every few days that it fails to load the xmp profile and boots into bios. I currently have it changed to 1.35. Think I should keep it there for the time being or dial it back to 1.30 and try that for a few days?

[hollow thorn]

Test with 1.35 and see if problem persists or not

It's probably slightly unstable at xmp defaults

[steep atlas]

Okay thanks for your help. I'll try this for a bit and hopefully that was the issue.

[icy field]

Yes 9800x3d. Just woke up so sorry for the late reply.

I dmed orange mushroom about it yesterday and this is what he recommended to do:
vsoc to 1.25
vddp to 1.05

Havent made the change yet because my motherboard isnt letting me into the bios... I just found out about this stupid bug last night that still to this date has not been fixed. Basically in order to access my bios I have to remove my ssds which are in a striped array which is causing the bios to hang on bootup. So basically I will spam delete key and it will just freeze lmao. Gigabyte is giga dumb.

[sudden creek]

Ahh that's a annoying issue. Also Orange's advice should work. If you want to push for higher frequencies you could try 1.3v SOC.

VDDP max safe is 1.15v

Note if you raise vSOC to high you will destabilize fCLK (The Infinity Fabric Clock).

[icy field]

but should this in theory increase system stability?

Just seeing this now because I stepped away for awhile

[sudden creek]

Higher vSOC can stabilize higher RAM frequencies.

But high vSOC can destabilize high Infinity Fabric Frequencies though if you leave it at the default 2,000 (PBO on) it should be fine

[icy field]

Gotcha

[marble knot]

Are intels issues with 14th gen present on laptop cpus?

[sudden creek]

Are games/apps finicky with odd numbered core layouts?

[meager jungle]

yes but if bios is updated should be fixed

[marble bough]

I have the g.skill 96GB DDR5 6400 kit (2x48). Did they ever fix the problem with DDR5 and 4 sticks? I remember last year they said DDR5 was buggy with more than 2 sticks. I run MSI Z790 Gaming Pro WiFi MB, and Intel i7-14700 running at 5.6ghz. I want to see if it I can fully populate the memory to 192gb, so I need to know if the issues were fixed.

[sudden creek]

@limpid warren @dim delta am I reading this right? Did my CPU seriously need to wait two and half seconds for my GPU to play catchup....?

[sudden creek]

The problem to my knowledge is still very prominent. Yes you can run 192GB but expect slow speeds.

Like maybe 5600mhz possibly 6000mhz if your very lucky.

[marble bough]

@sudden creek that the speed I’m getting right now from my 96GB right now anyway, 5600. I’m not a gamer. I need it for video editing. Thanks!

[sudden creek]

Hmmm you can run higher capacities but if your struggling at 5600 you might be down to 4800-5200 with 196.

[marble bough]

@sudden creek the system runs well for editing, which is my main use for it, but I’m thinking about changing the MB and ram.

[sudden creek]

Only way you will get higher speeds with large capacities is if you get a ROG Hero, Apex, maybe a E-E board. Otherwise keep the current board and just see what speeds you can do up to 1.3v SOC.

[limpid warren]

I think that means GPU had to wait

that crap is all over the place tho.. 27,909fps is very smooth

[icy field]

I have found a reliable way of replicating my pc hard crashes that ive been getting. It will hard crash when I load a 19,000 line long google sheet that I have from monitoring and logging using hwinfo64 for about 10 hours. If the sheet fully loads, the pc will hard crash. Do you think that this is a fairly good chance that its the cpu?

Troubleshooted the ram and gpu already... thought it was the gpu because of driver issues but I did DDU and went to a slightly older gpu driver version but it still was happening.

I have zero crash logs and nothing shows in reliability report

I do also run 4 sata drives in raid 0 using windows raid. Could that be part of the issue? I was thinking about that but wasnt sure...

[icy field]

Turns out it was my raid configuration... windows striped raid was messing somehow with both my mobo and with windows where it would freeze my pc. Now I can load that 19,000 line with many horizontal lines google sheet without hard crashing.

[icy field]

I’m gonna freak out…. Literally just froze on me again. So I think the cpu is borked or something.

[weary condor]

What could have caused this

[sudden creek]

Voltages being way to high with insufficient cooling.

Likely due to old BIOS version

[marble knot]

ohh poor cpu

[weary condor]

Ahh well rip

[sudden creek]

If your on old BIOS version you could probably get the thing warrantied.

Possibly with new bios but not sure.

[weary condor]

I believe i was. Latest one was out for a month before i realized it was out

[sudden creek]

Could try warranting it.

[weary condor]

through rog strix?

[sudden creek]

Never tried warranty with Asus/ROG.

[meager elbow]

Rog/Strix is just a brand name

Asus is the company

[weary condor]

Im assuming you mean cpu cooling? Could have this been done by the ai overclocker

Sorry havent been keeping up with recent innovations in the pc space

[sudden creek]

AI Overclockers are not a good idea for daily.

To my knowledge it sets settings that it thinks may be stable but does not guarantee they are safe or actually stable.

[weary condor]

Thank you for the knowledge i had no idea 🫡 i have a b650 on the way

[civic lava]

Quick question. Is the x870e MSI edge ti (white mobo) a good pairing for a 9800x3d/5090 build?
I might wanna overclock at some point.

[olive totem]

Been having issues of almost daily quad BSOD, using WhoCrashed, I've gotten the error codes underlined. What would be the steps to fixing Vcore/imc unstable?

I've gotten a BSOD by literally sitting watching YT.

[sudden creek]

1. What CPU

2. Is it overclocked in any way

3. Do you have proper cooling

4. Do you know what your current CORE and SOC voltages are?

[olive totem]

R5 7600

Never OCed

360mm AIO

I do not, is that something I can find in my bios I assume? Been ages since I've been in there.

[sudden creek]

If the errors are correct, either your CPU is not receiving enough voltage or it's defective.

How hot does your CPU get?

I'd assume not very hot but if it's overheating due to bad contact that can also cause said issues.

When your in bios, check what speed you RAM is being run at.

[olive totem]

I noticed my CPU isn't showing all the information about it in my Adrenalin software either. It used to, and temps were rarely above 50c iirc.

[sudden creek]

Use HWinfo. Far more reliable.

Hmmm, did your PC get moved around recently?

[olive totem]

https://www.hwinfo.com/ ?

[olive totem]

Nope

[sudden creek]

Well here's what you can do,

1. Install HWinfo and monitor the SVI3 voltage

2. In bios check what your SOC voltage is

3. What is your RAM speed set to and capacity

4. Let me know your findings and I will tell you if anything seems off

5. If you want, it doesn't hurt to reseat the CPU to make sure everything is receiving proper contact pressure.

[sudden creek]

Yes.

[olive totem]

Appreciate your time.

I'll get back to you in a bit

[sudden creek]

Kay, I will respond when I get a chance.

[olive totem]

I am assuming that first SS is the SVI3? I apologize I am not familar with any of this lol.

Ram speed I believe is 5600? 32gb. I can go into BIOS in a bit if needed.

[sudden creek]

Your SOC voltage (voltage for the CPU's memory controller) is very low.

Set it to a moderate 1.2v SOC or sometimes called vSOC in the bios.

1.2 is well within safe limits.

[olive totem]

Which row were you seeing that in my picture?

2nd?

[sudden creek]

VDDCR_SOC

[olive totem]

Ah gotcha I see it now sorry

[sudden creek]

Typically that's be in the 1.2-1.3 range

Yours is below 1.1

[olive totem]

Any idea why it might be so low?

[sudden creek]

Because your RAM speed is at 5600 it thinks it doesn't need that much voltage.

Also do you have XMP or EXPO enabled?

5600 is very slow.

[olive totem]

I gotta be honest I don't think I ever set that up when I mobo swapped.

[olive totem]

This is my memory kit https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-flbd532g5600hc32dc01

[sudden creek]

Enable your XMP or EXPO (same thing, different name), and set the SOC to 1.2v if it's below 5600mhz and if it is 6000mhz set it to 1.25v, try 1.28v if it's 6400mhz.

[olive totem]

I want to get high-end X3D Zen5 or Zen6 in the future, if I do I would upgrade my memory as well.

[sudden creek]

Gotcha

Also your XMP is 5600.

So just make sure it's enabled and set the SOC voltage in bios to 1.2v, bump it to 1.25v if issues persist.

[olive totem]

Was on a budget back when I put stuff together originally, I've changed things since then but my original parts are still my CPU/RAM.

[olive totem]

Alright I'll head into the bios now and take a look.

[olive totem]

So is it not even at 5600?

[sudden creek]

It's running jedec so you need to enable XMP or EXPO whatever the bios is calling it

[olive totem]

?

[sudden creek]

Yep that's it

Where it says disabled, select whatever the faster profile is

[olive totem]

It only shows XMP 1

No other option

[sudden creek]

Select that

[olive totem]

Do I need to check the High Bandwith or Low Latency for anything?

[sudden creek]

Don't mess with those.

[olive totem]

Gotcha

[sudden creek]

Runs possibly unstable settings and is just for benchmark numbers

[olive totem]

VCORE SOC? I have a dropdown when I select that and it gives me .005 increments of voltage as options

And if so I’ll set that to 1.200 then

[sudden creek]

That's the right voltage.

Set it to 1.2v

Bump to 1.25 if issues persist.

[olive totem]

Done.

[olive totem]

Back on my PC now, I appreciate your help and time.

[sudden creek]

👍

[sudden creek]

Happy to help, I know the frustration of not knowing what's wrong with something.

[hexed dune]

Suddenly my pc cannot run any apps besides internet browser. If I tried to run any game, they just shut off. Sometimes it will say in the interenet browser that I am out of memory. Is that a software problem or physical ram problem? -from friend, yesterday he was fine

[scenic solar]

is there any chance a 2*16gb 6400cl32 kit works on a b660i paired with a 13400?

xmp enabled

[hollow thorn]

There's a chance, but just expect to attribute any instability to that

[marble knot]

Any reccs for a 9950x3d? Undervolting or

[sudden creek]

#overclocking I shall train you well.

[marble knot]

Oh no lol

[spice fog]

Does ram speed matter as much for work? If i get a 2x32g kit for myself, I can buy another of my current 2x16g kit and combine them for my dad's pc. He needs 64g bc he has a lot of tabs and Adobe photoshop and illustrator open all at once.

He doesn't game a lot

[midnight pollen]

the speed shouldn't matter too much just the amount. photoshop likes to use a lot of ram even without files open

[spice fog]

Alr ty

[naive pendant]

Somehow this ram worked on the asus b850f

[mild jackal]

Why wouldn't it

[naive pendant]

Its not qvl and this is really low latency

[mild jackal]

Motherboard won't matter for that, just cpu really

I have two of those in SR, one in DR, they're the best sticks you can buy for am5 daily

[sudden creek]

I am assuming they are in capacities of 16x16, 24x24, and 32x32?

[mild jackal]

2x24 is MHBD, good, but not as good. The 2x32 is DR ofc

[sudden creek]

What does the MHBD stand for?

[mild jackal]

Hynix M die revision H

Just google around places like this for general info https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-intel-ddr5-oc-and-24-7-daily-memory-stability-thread.1794772/page-840

[marble bough]

Hi. I’m thinking about doubling my DDR5 memory, while using an Intel Arrow Lake CPU. Can I fully populate my ram? I’m not a gamer, I edit video, and create content. Current setup is Intel i7-14700, 96GB DDR5 (G.Skill 2 x 48GB), NVidia RTX-4070TI Super with 16 GB VRAM. Motherboard is MSI Z790 Gaming Pro WiFi. Can I fully populate, or should I consider switching to AMD?

[hollow thorn]

For the current generation of CPUs, neither AMD or Intel IMCs are able to run 4 sticks of ddr5 above ~5200

Which generally is going to be worse for your performance, more so than the extra capacity

[marble bough]

My current DDR5 runs on XMP at 6400. I was hearing that the latest MSI firmware beta addressed it, but I prefer the word of the community vs the manufacturer. Thanks

[hollow thorn]

Current gen have no problem with running 2 sticks at 6400 or above, the problem comes from running 4 sticks

[marble bough]

Yes. That’s what I thought. So much better hearing it from actual users than MSI.

I did hear that AMD handles it better than Intel, that’s why I asked. I appreciate the input.

[hollow thorn]

The listed 6000+ for 2dpc 2r is a bit optimistic, even though some people may get it to work with some tweaking, I would not say it's something guaranteed to work, and if you do still want to do it, just have the expectation of only getting 5200 or 5600 stable.

[mild jackal]

Haha what?

[hollow thorn]

Looking back that is a bit exaggerated and not really accurate lol

I was thinking some people about running into issues at 6000

[sudden creek]

5600 is within reason assuming 4 SR dimms with a CPU that has a decent IMC, so neither good or bad.

[opaque sparrow]

Looking for a combo to build a beginner pc for my girlfriend. Also any other deals seen for other parts maybe a 500w psu would be great. Starting here and moving forward looking to spend $200-300 total. Hoping for a Ryzen 5 combo preferably

[sudden creek]

Do you have any parts on hand that you can use or do you need an entire list for about $300?

[spice fog]

Link? I kinda wanna try it lol

[spice fog]

Are there any good amd cpus that are good for work?

[fair vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-this-pointing-up-there-see-this-gif-14720503

[slender otter]

plenty

[spice fog]

I dont rlly wanna go intel for my dad's build

[slender otter]

a ryzen 5 5th gen or higher for example is more than enough

[spice fog]

Aight

Wait 5th gen r5?

That'll be enough for Adobe suite?

[slender otter]

should be, a ryzen 5 5600x has 6c/12t

and is pretty capable

[spice fog]

Alright

[sudden creek]

What kind of work?

[spice fog]

adobe suite, very light gaming, and a crap ton a chrome tabs

[sudden creek]

Definitely a lot of options. If you want to be able to upgrade than I suggest a 7600 with 2x32 ram or if your on a tight budget go for a 5700G with 2x16gb of ram.

Ryzen 5 5700G or 5700X both are excellent budget choices from AM4. good single thread and can game fairly well.

[spice fog]

yeah im thinkin 7600/x

[sudden creek]

To be clear, I define a crap ton of chrome tabs as at least two chrome windows and a minimum of 40 tabs open.

[spice fog]

wanna be able to upgrade him should that be a concern

[sudden creek]

Since that's why I usually have when working lmao.

Definitely AM5 if you want to upgrade.

[spice fog]

he's usually at three windows with over 100 tabs each

[spice fog]

yea

[sudden creek]

YIKES, definitely 2x32 minimum.

[spice fog]

yup

[sudden creek]

I use up 30-36GB for what I do alone

Then my recommendation is this with upgrade in mind.

• 7600/7600X
• 2x32 or 2x48 DDR5 6000
• A good budget board that he can upgrade up to like a R9 class cpu in the future.

I listed a really good cheap board in #tech-deals that I personally use.

[spice fog]

alr

[sudden creek]

$189 with 4xM.2, PCIe 5.0 x16 and x4 with 14+2+1 VRMs.

[sudden creek]

@spice fog

[spice fog]

oooh

extra m.2s will be nice

mind linking the message?

nvm i found it

[sudden creek]

Also here, @spice fog 7700x for $200

#tech-deals message

Ahh it's out of stock, but it restocks once a week.

[spice fog]

cool

that is a nice board dang

[sudden creek]

$179 for 7600x with 500GB NVMe
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-7600x-ryzen-5-7000-series-raphael-zen-4-socket-am5/p/N82E16819113770

or here, @spice fog
$144 7600X Refurbished from Newegg
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113770T?Item=N82E16819113770T

the refurbs work fine and are more likely to work than new since they are tested by someone before being sold.

I bought my 7950x refurb from newegg, just a minor visual defect

Someone had to put a new IHS on it from what I noticed.

[spice fog]

sounds good. generally cautious with refurbs but yeah

[sudden creek]

I actually bought the board I mentioned as refurb excellent from amazon at $160

AMD sent me 2 new cpus that were faulty in a row lmfao.

So I distrust the NEW lable nowadays.

[spice fog]

that's crazy lol

[sudden creek]

Does your father mind tuning ram?

I am looking for a ram kit

So my recommendation is this, @spice fog:

• $144 7600X (REFURB)
  https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113770T?Item=N82E16819113770T

• $189 MSI X670E GAMING WiFi (NEW)
  https://www.amazon.com/MSI-X670E-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/dp/B0CRF81BBC/ref=pd_aw_subss_hxwPER_sspa_mw_detail_m_sccl_3/142-2417197-5063412

• $186 2x32 6000cl30@1.35v Hynix A White RAM kit to match the white board (NEW)
  https://www.amazon.com/KLEVV-2x32GB-6000MHz-Gaming-Desktop/dp/B0D6XT9VSL/ref=sr_1_7_sspa?

[spice fog]

thx man

[sudden creek]

Should last him for a very long time.

The board can easily handle the likes of a 9950x3D btw that's what I use on it.

RAM can be easily overclocked with a little bit of work as well.

You can shove 1.7v into Hynix A die so long as you have proper cooling for daily lmao.

[spice fog]

would it be cheaper to get a 4x16 kit? i have a 2x16 and could combine that with another one for him and get myself a 2x32.

[sudden creek]

if the dies match then yeah but your ram speed will be very slow.

4 dimms on AM5 puts to much strain on the memory controller.

So you'd probably be running the ram at 5200-5600mhz and need to spend time tuning it.

@spice fog any other questions I can help with?

[spice fog]

nah i think im good fn. definitely will need more help as I start really planning tho.

[sudden creek]

Aight, you know who to ask.

[spice fog]

yeah fs

thx for the help man

[sudden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-shows-himym-how-i-met-your-mother-quotes-barney-stinson-gif-14859294

[past rain]

I have a old pc that my Bluetooth option skips or lags how would I fix this

like if I use my beats speaker I can get smooth audio it jus pops n skips

[potent dew]

Have you already reinstalled Windows since you started using it again?

I had problems with not great quality until I reset and upgraded to Windows 11 (moment), and then audio would take forever to connect until, for some reason, I had to wipe my VIDEO drives

BT would connect instantly, but BT audio would take anywhere from 30 seconds to two minutes to start working

[lyric turret]

Patriot Viper Venom 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model PVV564G600C30K this good 64gb of ram its 157$

[sudden creek]

So as it stands it looks like in a few months I will probably be moving to a part of Israel with humidity in the high 60-80% range and ambient of about 35c. Should I have any concerns about erosion, etc for my computer electronics because of the salty humid air?

[wind karma]

Pray you have AC and maybe a dehumidifier as well

[wind karma]

Try reinstalling drivers, if that doesn't help probably just buy a USB Bluetooth adapter

[meager elbow]

EROSION

pc landslide on god

you dont need to worry about salty humid air because humdity doesnt really carry salt

it's just mist from salt water (e.g. crashing waves or whatever) that carrys alot of salt

but ideally you have an AC or dehumidifier

though considering the heat just an ac is fine

climates that dont need an ac - get a dehumidifier
climates that need an ac - you dont need a dedicated dehumidifier

ideally get a mini split imo

assuming the house doesnt have central heating

do note though in any desert environment, you're going to very likely have to replace the condenser more frequently because the sand beats up the coils

[sudden creek]

I would be living right next to the sea is why I am concerned.

[wind karma]

If 343 is right about the humidity itself not carrying salt then you should be ok long as you don't open a window and let mist into the room the PC is in

[meager elbow]

i mean, it is possible it does carry some amount of salt but i've never really seen that cause any issues

i do see salt buildup from mist caused by the ocean from wind/crashing waves/etc though

but that's probably because there's way more water in mist than just humidity

[sudden creek]

Hmm gotcha,

[rain fossil]

Can i pair an xmp ram to my am5 mobo?

[dire dirge]

In my experience, yes.

[sudden creek]

XMP and EXPO either will work fine. The difference is EXPO will prioritize timings that AM5 may like more.

Likewise for Intel with XMP.

[lyric turret]

Is there. A program I can install to see if my 9800x3d is running correctly? Or performing good?

[hollow thorn]

Any benchmark like cinebench

[lyric turret]

What should I Run on cinebench

I can use that for my 5080 to?

[hollow thorn]

use 3dmark or unigen superposition for gpu

[dire dirge]

5800XT + Entry level B550 170$

Check this out on @Newegg:AMD Ryzen 7 5800XT - Ryzen 7 5000 Series Vermeer (Zen 3) 8-Core 3.8 GHz Socket AM4 105W None Integrated Graphics Desktop CPU Processor - 100-100001582BOX https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-5000-series-ryzen-7-5800xt-vermeer-socket-am4-desktop-cpu-processor/p/N82E16819113846?tpk=1&item=N82E16819113846

[rain badger]

wtf are those vrms

I wouldn't even pair that with a ryzen 5 unless I have really good airflow

[split copper]

Is it like a bare vrm

[rain badger]

it's bare

and it doesn't have many vrms

4+2

yeah no

[split copper]

Wait where do I find it

[rain badger]

that is NOT what you pair with a R7

[split copper]

Ahh I zee

Newegg getting clunky

[rain badger]

I'd be more comfortable if it at least had heatsinks

[split copper]

Yeah needs those little guys off of Amazon or something

[rain badger]

I like how it says "value $99.99"

[split copper]

Big if true

[rain badger]

as if it's even worth that much

It's honestly criminal that they would put this as a "gift"

It'd possibly be fine under ideal circumstances

but they can't possibly guarantee that the end user will have perfect airflow on the vrms

this at least has a heatsink

it's a 6+2 too

I'd get it if it was a Ryzen 3 or 5 or something

I'd roll my eyes at the R5

like it's not ideal but it's still acceptable

but a 5800XT?

[split copper]

Would be great for a basic server but I don't wanna buy a ryzen 5800 xt to get it free so bleh

[rain badger]

the 5800XT is pushing it

[rain badger]

yeah it'd be a lot better with a 5600

I'd still hate it but at least it's not stupidly bad vrms on one of the most power hungry chips

it's still a bad board but it'd be fine

[dire dirge]

You are 1000% right with the board being way less than optimal. However for an effective cost of 30-40$ it’s not bad, but better yet if you can use that board elsewhere.

[dire dirge]

But- yes it would work just fine with good case airflow and stock CPU settings for gaming. No long term high power high load/production.

[rain badger]

I would be inclined to agree if it was a Ryzen 5

A 5800XT is pushing it

I would not in good conscience recommend anyone to pair a 5800XT with a board of this quality

A 5600X would be a more appropriate pairing

[rain badger]

Here is my reasoning:

1. It's a 4+2 phase vrm setup
2. The vrms are exposed

Not even sticking a heatsink on the vrms will make it decent for a 5800XT

Ryzen 5 maximum with good airflow

[hollow thorn]

You can look at the hub b550 roundup for reference, 3900x power draw is pretty similar to 5800xt, the Asus B550m-a vrms are pretty similar hardware wise to B550m-k, just that the b550m-a has a small heatsink on it lol

[rain badger]

That's very toasty

💀

[dire dirge]

You’re not wrong. Less than ideal for sure. I for one snagged the bundle, will likely throw the 5800XT into a different build and at most go Ryzen 5 or a 3700x.

[rain badger]

Yeah

The motherboard would be acceptable if paired with less power intensive cpu

[orchid badge]

Is the N7 B650E motherboard any good?

[strange sedge]

For the right price yeah

[orchid badge]

Should I get it off the nzxt site

[strange sedge]

How much is it

[orchid badge]

About 320

[strange sedge]

Hell no

Absolutely not

[orchid badge]

How much should I be looking for then

[strange sedge]

160 MAX

Maybe like 170

[fleet obsidian]

What’s the best gaming AMD CPU for a b550. I currently have a 5600x with a 4080. Wanna do a lil upgrade before the big overhaul. Any suggestions

[cursive epoch]

5800X3D

or 5700X3D

but what's your exact B550 board?

[molten maple]

Bought my first AMD setup a couple years ago. AM5 Socket Ryzen 5 7600. I've been very happy with it. Been debating switching to a Ryzen 7 or Ryzen 9. Willing to replace Mobo (i'd like to get one with 4 m.2 slots). Looking for suggestions/advice.

[spice fog]

7 is good all round

9 is for top o' the line stuff

[molten maple]

Yes, that I already knew, thank you. 🙂

[hollow thorn]

What motherboard do you have right now? If it ain't broke, don't fix it

[molten maple]

Well I did, in my haste partially break it during install. The front USB pin part broke, so I haven't used it, otherwise it's been fine.

But I ended up getting a MSI Pro B650M-A.

[hollow thorn]

As in you currently have a b650m-a or you just bought it..?

[molten maple]

I have currently, willing to replace it.

Recently just got myself a 5070, and running a 1080 FOREVER, so I kinda want to get a CPU that is a wittle better.

[hollow thorn]

tbh that board is good enough for anything below like a 7900x/9900x

Do you need wifi, what is your budget, and are you looking for anything special io wise?

I wouldn't necessarily buy a new board unless you need more io

Like if you need a working front io USB port for something

[molten maple]

I'd like to have a working front USB on my case again, and im currently running a PCI m.2 expansion card.

Would like to get rid of that, and just have more onboard m.2 slots.

[hollow thorn]

How many m.2 drives are you using?

[molten maple]

Currently, 3.

[hollow thorn]

Cheapest board with 4 would be this, but it does some lane sharing so the second PCIe slot is unusable if you have 4 m.2 drives.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162192
A more rounded option would be this, all 4 m.2 slots can be populated and you can still use the rest of the PCIe slots.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144647

Cheapeset and simplest board with 3 would be this
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145491

[molten maple]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144667

I've had this floating around in my cart.

But I like your middle suggestion better.

Now, processor? got any suggestions?

[molten maple]

Was concidering: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113811

[hollow thorn]

What's your budget and what specifically are you going to do with it? Specific applications/games that is

[molten maple]

I haven't given myself a budget. I was just going to find something, stare at it for a while, add it to the cart, and checkout with my eyes closed.

I mostly just watch youtube, as I play videogames. Most "recent" game is Dune, and one that there is a slight struggle on, is the Starfield: Starwars Overhaul mod.

However, would love to keep the mobo+processor combo under $500, as I will be adding ram as well.

[spice fog]

Oh wait u said mobo mb mb

[hollow thorn]

What CPU cooler do you currently have?

And are you looking for CPU+Ram+Mobo to be under $500?

Also, do you live near a microcenter?

[molten maple]

I use an aftermarket one that has a massive heatsink and fan on it from coolermaster.

No. Just mobo+cpu under $500.

And I live in montana..the most tech thing we have is best buy. 🤣😅

[hollow thorn]

Was almost tempted to say 7800x3d but you'd have to get a good bundle to get it to fit in the budget

nothing really worth getting as an upgrade for under $300