cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dull flint]

But if not it could just be the rev B bin isn't that great

I've heard 3600 can be hit or miss on those

And a board change would indeed show that

If anyone else asks about the ram just send them this, it'll stop the corsair fear mongering that comes with the territory lol

I'll check back in a little bit see if those steps reveal any progress for you

Can fully understand how annoying it is when the answer to the problem takes forever

[pliant siren]

cursed 2020 upgrade build

[dull flint]

I've had some issues take literal years to work out

Lol

I had a bad psu cable on a pc that took me a year to isolate as the issue was 141 and the pc tells you nothing

[hollow thorn]

I feel like a simple possibility is just different auto mobo soc related voltages leading to xmp being stable on one mobo and not on another

[dull flint]

Or my 7950X3D that took 22 months to die

Lol

22 months of intermittent issues

[dull flint]

Possible. Like bad auto algorithm

As above, asus xmp 1 is "asus optimised"

[hollow thorn]

but yea there's tons of random small things that you don't notice that can cause issues here and there that add up to something you do notice down the line

what I would try for manual settings to see if it'll be stable is 1.1 vsoc, 1.45v on the memory itself, VDDG to 1.05v, and check that you're on the most recent non-beta bios version

it shouldn't need that in order to be stable but that should be a basis that should generally work

[dull flint]

I would try that after

Agree but sometimes the ram order can be the entire difference

I used to shuffle my 4 little B dies around and I had a specific order for my boards to be stable

[hollow thorn]

true, could be something weird with the mobo traces

[dull flint]

Ye

[pliant siren]

it didn't crash past like a 10 min mark. but i'd still hold out until later before uppin the ram speed or doin the voltages

[dull flint]

Did you set it to 3200?

[pliant siren]

yep, mh wilds held up. granted the problem isn't a specific game, i just did a "high load" game to see if i'll crash faster or not

[dull flint]

Sorry I had to bail a moment cos I'm setting up a new phone

Interesting so if it runs the full test then it sounds like it could just be rev B behaviour

Keep trying it out at 3200

Make real sure it's stable

[vale ferry]

I have this prebuild from ABS.
https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16883360520?item=N82E16883360520&_gl=1*1opsqew*_gcl_au*NjIwMTg1NTYuMTc0MTE5Mjk3MQ.._gaNjUxMDI1NzM1LjE3NDExOTI5NzE._ga_F2QP10CXSWMTc0MTE5Mjk3MS4xLjEuMTc0MTE5Mjk4OS4wLjAuMTEwMzc1NjYyNQ.._fplcYWFlZkx6amJpaWRpd3RlU3BnZERyUGZURnN0UFNTU0p5NzNITVRGMlFoZlJ5TUxTMHdvS2syNWxnNDJ3RzlreXExUFAlMkJ0ZXQxV0F3czU0QSUyQkFCOHJMdFViQ1dicjRHdVpTMnQ1YkRTOWlrYUt1NEh4blBkRWMwem5pdzNOZyUzRCUzRA..

Anyone know how I go about updating the Bios? I keep getting warnings from games I'm playing to update it.

[grizzled bloom]

Run CPU-Z and DM me a screenshot of the mainboard tab. It'll tell us what the model is so we know what BIOS to download.

[pliant siren]

Nope, still crashes

[pliant siren]

Or maybe this is a gpu driver issue? Im not being sure of anything now because base ram speeds are crashing now

[pliant siren]

Still crashes no matter what. So now im back to being at a loss again

[dull flint]

Can you check reliability report to see what the computer is saying when it crashes

Click start

Type reliability

Should be the first option with a flag

Check any error reports

It'll give you a direct hint as to what's wrong

The errors detail the symptoms that's occurring

[pliant siren]

lookin through, it seems to show that something in the os is crashing.
this generally the same app crashing

other than that, not much else is showing, but this kind of comes up everytime i have to shutdown and restart the system

[dull flint]

Is it just that app?

System32...

Are there any other error reports

Bugcheck codes help more than anything

If you're getting system32 errors then most likely you have a serious issue occurring (Which we already know)

This is a fresh install ye?

[pliant siren]

Fresh install was last year. From the previous problem in the summer.

It just goes straight to black, doesn't record anything else or blue screens

[dull flint]

There will be error reports even if it does that tho

Like

"The previous shutdown was unexpected"

It has an error *code for everything lol

Basic decorum of stability would indicate that's one of the bars to meet so if it's not doing that then dare I say either windows or a part of your pc still has an incredible issue we haven't worked out yet

To which my first suggestion would be a wiped ssd and reinstall

This isn't a 980 pro or 990 pro ssd is it?

970 evo plus?

Those 3 used the 980 pro controller which had a fatal error at one point

Would cause very strange oddities with the windows install

[pliant siren]

980 pro 1tb. Its not effected by the faulty driver problem from before

[dull flint]

When was it manufactured

[pliant siren]

I bought it in 2021. We've done this before

[dull flint]

What's the crystaldiskinfo details of it? I do not remember any of this even if we did

I speak to hundreds of people a week I'm sorry

[pliant siren]

Still very great health. 98%?

[dull flint]

Have you got another ssd just to test this theory out anyway?

[pliant siren]

No

[dull flint]

A bad install or ssd issue would explain a lot of your issues rn

[pliant siren]

91% health

[dull flint]

91

That's actually a lot lower than expected

Can you send the smart table details

[pliant siren]

Alot of clean installs do that

[dull flint]

I wanna see what the table says that's pushed that number so low

[grizzled bloom]

Bruh my cheap SSD that I've used for 8 years still has 97%

100TB written

[dull flint]

Ok no serious errors is a good sign but yeah, lots of data written

This was definitively affected by that bug

Ok so we can rule out the ssd again

[pliant siren]

Ye. Again lots of clean installs and writing and re-downloading 100gb files again

[dull flint]

I have no recollection of checking this at all tho honestly

Still wondering if you can try a completely fresh install

[pliant siren]

Didn't the degrade bug reduce it down 10% EVERYDAY? I don't think it was

[dull flint]

A bad windows install still matches the symptoms

[dull flint]

No

It was a bit flip error that caused symptoms akin to excessive writes

So the drives would effectively 'write' themselves to death

Putting them in read only mode

Hence the problem of people unable to access the drives at all

[dull flint]

I still have some belief this matches *most of your issues as system32 errors being common speaks to a killed install

You shouldn't have system32 errors

Much at all

[pliant siren]

So then maybe its the install media i have thats bad?

[dull flint]

That is in fact very possible

[pliant siren]

Considering again, the multiple clean installs we've done and everything always coming back to the same

[dull flint]

A bad usb stick from the get go, extremely reasonable to explain this

[pliant siren]

So then which install from windows is stable?

[dull flint]

Everything is and can be suspect

[pliant siren]

Im sure my usb sticks are fine

[dull flint]

Heh, I'd love to say 23h2 but we can't choose 23h2 anymore afaik

[dull flint]

Be doubtful of anything and everything

You never know with these things

Racking my brain to any possible answer here

But something is very clear and common, system32 errors should NOT happen on the regular

It's telling to corruption

That's irrefutable

[grizzled bloom]

I keep a copy of all the 11 editions if needed

[dull flint]

We can rule out the ram per se, it's even crashing at 2133 and rev b

The ssd has no tracked errors

The cpu is old af and I'm sure this hasn't been ongoing since 2021

[pliant siren]

If said corruption is correct, I'd assume transfering to a new ssd would transfer said corruption as well?

[dull flint]

Considering common symptoms of corruption I'd suspect the install

[pliant siren]

Cpu is fine since i bought it in 2019

[dull flint]

I'm thinking a wiped ssd and completely new install from media would be a possible address of the problems here

I do want to clarify tho

Like

This is REALLY important

Do you have any other errors in reliability

Or are they just system32

Any bugchecks at all?

No bugchecks would be insane

Often manifest as event id's

Kernel events

Things like that

For example VIDEO_TDR_ERROR

Or MEMORY_MANAGEMENT

Just examples

Reliability is great in that it acts like a 7 segment outside of posting, it's the other way the pc tells you what's wrong (event logging tbh but reliability simplifies it)

I do see that a new install will most likely improve things, but I don't want to put this down that path without more confirmation

[pliant siren]

The past few days, as i was setting up for "wilds", it has been those errors.
Can't remember the previous ones or if i can be able to see previous errors before

[dull flint]

Reliability report will tell us all the errors

Don't need to rely on memory lol

[pliant siren]

Actually, if i remember now. I was playing on a a350 mitx board and it hasn't done any crashing either. Even on other games, so why specifically b550 motherboard switch, and it crashes?

[dull flint]

That sort of info is important

It nuances to something board related

So you don't see any "hardware error" reports there?

Other application errors that say anything else

Things like that

I really want to pull as much info here as possible as it'll help

[pliant siren]

I need to remember the previous error dates and when this happened

[dull flint]

Again don't want to push the idea of reinstalling unless we're really sure

[dull flint]

Anything with a red X is suspect

Reliability report app is great for that

[pliant siren]

2/10 shows a failed win update, then 2/11 errors started from the previous b550 board

[dull flint]

You had those on the previous board

Can you tell me what they were

[pliant siren]

i think

same errors

[dull flint]

The previous board causing the current symptoms are a genuine lead

Investigate that

Find out what they say

[pliant siren]

reports end before febuary

nothing else

[dull flint]

Hmmm and that was when you switched or no?

I don't need much to get confidence in this, if you can see major errors from when the previous board was installed then a new completely wiped windows could genuinely alleviate your issues significantly

[pliant siren]

seems so. 2/11 is when the problems came up again...

so then, it was a windows update error causing all of this?

[dull flint]

So the core of system32 could very well be corrupt

We have a reasonable narrative here

So any reset would be a redundant task

I would say completely wiping the ssd via bios, then reinstall from media might be a good answer to the issues here

[pliant siren]

i don't want to do a windows reinstall everytime there's this update error, so what are my other options after a clean install and maintaining windows to not dump itself from microsoft?

[dull flint]

If there's anything you want to back up, or you're still unsure, investigate the errors some more

[dull flint]

If the hardware works then the update wouldn't cause issues

The problem being the hardware previously causing issues may well have caused permanent corruption to system32

Which is the very core of windows

Bad installs can DEFINITELY cause stuff like this

[pliant siren]

what were the other sugggestions as well?

[dull flint]

If we're keeping ram off the table, cpu remount

Otherwise despite our confidence I'd begin retesting for common symptoms as we won't have much of a lead without more info

This is why reliability report is very useful

It saves a buttload of shooting in the dark and just tells us the issue lol

[pliant siren]

OSST stress tests?

[dull flint]

Yeah occt, things like that

Which I want to avoid more tbh

Reinstalling windows, annoying as it is, realistically with critical backups isn't as time consuming

Anyway I need to go but I think this is at least a bit of a better start vs just trying things that may lead to results

Give it some thought, I think the reinstall would do something here

We can save the license in settings

So wiped ssd and rein would be the proper fix (**likely)

[pliant siren]

this point, maybe i should upgrade to win 11? though i know and hear of the issues that has on it's own... but least it won't freaking corrupt itself(?)

[dull flint]

Reset wouldn't work

[dull flint]

No need

W10 is fine

[pliant siren]

i don't have it, but if this corruption happens again, would system restore work out or naw?

[grizzled bloom]

No

Not unless it's a full image restore from a working state

[pliant siren]

okay, i will create a image after this clean install and just start off from there for next time this happens

does the the image have to be in an empty drive for it to back up or just so long as there's enough space, it'll be like a file?

[grizzled bloom]

It can be a file

I recommend it being on an offline drive just in case

[pliant siren]

It crashed on a new clean install... while i was setting up programs...

DWM again...

And something new: hardware error. Live kernel event

I think I'll look for an technician across NA or overseas to ship and fix then at this point since theres none in California. Go back to my old parts for my small 2016 build again

[pliant siren]

Can an aio screen crash the system. I have a corsair aio upgraded to an lcd screen attachment long before in 2021 as well.

[dull flint]

Event 141?

That would be power again

41/141 is power related

At this point I'd start changing the internals if it is

Replaced the psu already so I'd rule that out

But anything that could use power in it would be immediately suspect

Usb's plugged in

Cable extensions

Aios and screens, fans

Case plugs

Monitor cables

Anything at all

[pliant siren]

I unplugged the aio screen via usb port on the motherboard. I hadn't instacrashed yet
Nevermind, i give up

[dull flint]

Damn

Well remembering the livekernel event 141/41 error will help you should you decide to take it to a shop

That one is a very important hint

I would believe it's still something in the pc

Like sata 3 cables are famous for this

Just one example

Really hope you can find it man cos it is genuine trial and error with the thing until you find the problem child causing the psu to trip

And then a wiped reinstall to bring everything back to scratch

[rancid coral]

Does anyone have issues with intel? Ive been doing research for a while and have been stuck between AMD and Intel cpus. Any input or experinces with intel would be great

[meager elbow]

outside of pricing, not really anything afaik

[grizzled bloom]

Intel 200 series is a hard pass, it can be worse than 12th gen when gaming.
13th and 14th gen i7 and i9 processors have the potential to push too much voltage and degrade early, even from a single boot cycle. Make sure to update BIOS before you ever turn on the computer.
The 13600K is a reasonable option to go with on a midrange system, but you won't have any upgrade path if you wanted more performance later. This is where AMD shines the most, with their long-lived socket support.
If you're shopping high end, AMD is really the only one to look at. Nothing else comes close to the 9800X3D when gaming.

[meager elbow]

i mean, the bios' should be updated now though right? or is the chance of getting old non-updated mobos still likely

[grizzled bloom]

It depends on how long it sat on the shelf, which you can't know without booting it up and checking the version, and if it's a bad version that can damage the CPU

Yes, they should be updated now

But that relies on people rotating stock properly, FIFO style

[meager elbow]

😔

[grizzled bloom]

That means warehouse stock worker #754 needs to spend the extra time pulling old stock forward to put new stock behind it, and they're already on a quota

[cloud kestrel]

I have a GIGABYTE X870 AORUS ELITE WIFI7 mobo from the GIGABYTE brand. I already have my build ready. Do I need to do the latest BIOS update or do I stay Please give me some advice. Thank you.

[limber dragon]

its always a good idea to be on the latest bios

[meager elbow]

latest non-beta bios*

[cobalt harness]

How do I know which slot is which? A1, A2, etc

[cobalt harness]

does it matter which slot my rams goes into? if so, how do i know which slot cuz i checked and it didnt say on the packaging

[meager elbow]

Literally printed on the motherboard and the manual

[cobalt harness]

No I mean how do you know which slot the ram sticks goes in

[meager elbow]

The manual will say but it will pretty much always be a2 b2

[dull flint]

I swear I read this same conversation earlier...

[plain vortex]

Do you guys think it's worth the risk to buy this 5700x3d from a new seller?

It's the cheapest one I can find

How's AliExpress policy on refunds on scams? Lol

[vast meadow]

Just pay the bit extra imo

[plain vortex]

Alright thanks!

[burnt spear]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807826550388.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.79951aeemWksk3&browser_id=0164eec224ce40c0b0bdace1de9034a5&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=phupxamycaaygiui1957bc7de941ca9bd1ac207c6c&gclid=&pdp_ext_f={"order"%3A"4059"%2C"eval"%3A"1"}&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!234.97!172.58!!!1694.09!1244.25!%402101c5a417415384510764666e719c!12000043248100708!sea!US!0!ABX&algo_pvid=ec12fb7e-2839-4784-bd3d-462d33d80f28

Good seller

Long link but I don't feel like fixing that

[plain vortex]

Yep and good price, but appears out of stock

[cobalt harness]

This good memory?

https://a.co/d/9rpQYqc

https://a.co/d/81lGPiz

[tender sleet]

IDK about DDR4

I heard some stuff about G.Skill memory desoldering it's own heat spreader

But I can't remember whether that's DDR4 or DDR5 (or any at all)

[cobalt harness]

yo can someone help me with ram rq im dm

[cobalt harness]

How abt these?

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-ddr4-3200/p/N82E16820232091

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-ddr4-3200/p/N82E16820232748

[hollow thorn]

It's just as average as you can get

[cobalt harness]

is there any other one you would recommend or this is good

[hollow thorn]

if your goal is 3200c16, it's all just average, there's no difference between them

[fresh comet]

I wonder how much stock of 9950X3D Newegg will be getting

[dull flint]

Except vengeance

Vengeance is continually particularly unreliable

[hollow thorn]

yea, outside of corsair

trident z is going to get you the same randomness as ripjaw

[sudden creek]

Okay this is pissing me off at this point. Just moved homes twice recently and both times I am sitting here for the better part of 4 hours trying to get my PC to boot.

When the motherboard is no longer stuck on the CPU red and dram yellow light combo it posts into windows and the PC works flawlessly however I keep getting stuck on the light combo when I reboot.

What are the chances that this is a problem with the motherboard? Because the drives appear to be working fine and the ram, CPU, GPU all passed multiple stress tests and games.

Also I unplugged my sata SSD out of curiosity to see if that was causing it but it wasn't the case

there is a MSI X670E Gaming WiFi board I can get for $160 so if the board is the likely culprit then I am going to buy that once my next pay check comes in.

[grizzled bloom]

Classic symptoms of reboot instability caused by the "memory context restore" setting.
Sometimes a BIOS update fixes this, other times you need to disable that setting. It will take a little longer to boot with it disabled, but it won't get stuck any more.

[sudden creek]

I tried with it on, off, and auto. On and off causes it to get stuck and with it on auto it will reboot fine only if the PC is restarted within a short period of powering off.

I was at it from 10PM to 3AM last night with no luck

[sudden creek]

Should I try reversing to an older bios? I recently tried updating to a newer one

[grizzled bloom]

Could be worth a try. Make sure it's not too old or you might end up with a security vulnerability.

[sudden creek]

If my USB worked for M-Flash doed that means it's already set to MBR?

Oh wait my board just stopped flashing.

I am currently using the flash bios button

[grizzled bloom]

Not necessarily. That would mean it's FAT32 most likely, but the partition scheme (MBR vs GPT) is separate.

[sudden creek]

Ahh gotcha. Well I think it updated the bios? It was flashing then it stopped after about 6m.

For bios I downloaded the most recent one that said it has a security patch.

August of 2024

[sudden creek]

Not booting.

Your fkin with me.

The second I said not booting

It boots

[sudden creek]

1hr of ram training with no luck.

Going to try restarting

@grizzled bloom, @tender sleet this error just popped up on my pc. should I make anything of this?

[hollow thorn]

kinda sounds like an adobe issue

[sudden creek]

gotcha

just incase I ran some stress tests while I was out fishing.

The CPU, RAM, and GPU has passed every test on every bios version (I have tried 5 versions now)

Is it pretty safe to say this is a board issue?

also I tried MCR on this bios version, same symptioms.

[graceful bronze]

I’m in the return period for the 7 9800x3d cpu I just bought

[dull flint]

If you're gonna say

Swap for 9950X3D

No

Lol

[graceful bronze]

No?

Why no

[dull flint]

That type of CPU is for heavy rendering systems or capture pc's that aren't split stream setups

That chip also needs lasso to truly work

[graceful bronze]

lasso? wut is that

[dull flint]

CPU program for binding applications to the right CCD's

[graceful bronze]

oh yikes

So u have to tweak the cores to even get closer to the 9800

[dull flint]

Capture pc's would fall under streaming, to a point even where being a multi-million dollar youtuber wouldn't justify it

[graceful bronze]

Fair

So the 9800 still reigns supreme?

[dull flint]

Heavy rendering or multi tasking, simulations etc, would justify this chip as well, as a supreme all in one

But again, for the emboldened and total work system

[dull flint]

Yes

[graceful bronze]

I mean I program n do school work (n photography)

but mostly game

I’m not even done my build yet tbh, I’ve got everything but

[dull flint]

School and photoshopping barely even justifies 9950X3D

If anything I'd tell you to go DOWN from 9800X3D

[graceful bronze]

I mean I doubt that it would do much different

Esp for almost 300$ more

[dull flint]

There are very few that will make actual sense of it

[graceful bronze]

I wonder hmm

why tf they keep saying it’s the “king”

[dull flint]

I mean I've used the 9800X3D and the 7950X3D I'm very familiar with both

[graceful bronze]

I guess to sell sell sell

[graceful bronze]

I am on the 2700x LOL

[dull flint]

Cos it does the 9800X3D things and then can also do workstation things

It's not the best for your usecase

It's just a 9800X3D with an extra CCD for a mild offload if you set it up correctly

[graceful bronze]

hmmm

[dull flint]

You can do the same thing with the 9800X3D and get within 1% or even go faster due to no interCCD latency

[graceful bronze]

I wanna go big but also don’t wanna waste money senselessly

[dull flint]

This would be senseless

Lol

[graceful bronze]

Fair

Ugh their marketing

It just sucks going from an 8 core to a 8 core

But itll be a big jump I hope

[dull flint]

9800X3D will be within 1% of 9950X3D

If not higher once everything is worked out

Like I'm actually looking at the reviews already and seeing the 9800X3D pulls ahead of the 9950X3D if you enable PBO on both

Which makes perfect sense

The 8 core of last gen had the same result, it too had that edge

And not just a tiny bit like now, by a lot more since the 16 core had driver teething issues to work out

[graceful bronze]

thank u

[sudden creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82a0Qd0BA4I

[placid vapor]

Does anyone know the best way to get a cpu tomorrow literally have no cpu and need the 9950x3d

[burnt spear]

Are you doing both heavy workstation use and gaming?

And there's not really any tips we have, just a matter of knowing when they're going to be available and watching a site

If you're just gaming the 9800x3d will perform slightly better than the 9950x3d

[dull flint]

Rather

If you aren't rendering full time with it or doing some other heavy workstation task with it while also playing games at the same time, 9800X3D will be more than enough

[burnt spear]

@placid vapor
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16819113791T?Item=N82E16819113791T

[viral lagoon]

My takeaway from the 9950 reviews is if you're not going to do any productivity tasks and just gaming, you can get a 9800X3D for only marginally less performance and less power consumption, and reduced cost. Is that a fair assessment?

[burnt spear]

Yes

Ryzen 9s are not aimed at someone who's only gaming

And the ryzen 7s can obviously handle workstation use too

Just at a different level

[viral lagoon]

nice

now if i can just get a 9070xt i want i might do a build with a 9800

[cobalt harness]

is this ram compatible with asustek computer inc. prime z390-p motherboard?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DMNZY56?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

[placid vapor]

Super heavy workstation training ai models live on stream while gaming, this honestly isn’t enough but it’s my best option as a college student

[placid vapor]

This is the 7950 I need a 9950 bro

😭

[grizzled bloom]

It comes out tomorrow

Good luck 👍

[placid vapor]

Lmao thanks but I know it’s gonna be completely sold out in milliseconds and I won’t be able to get one

[burnt spear]

Thats mainly why I linked the 7950x3d

Its gonna suck finding a 9950x3d

[grizzled bloom]

Too bad the 7950X3D is also sold out

[burnt spear]

Oof

There is a 13900k refurb for $290 but yknow... degradation

I doubt newegg would sell damaged cpus as refurb tbf

Non x3d is also an option, they're still good enough for games

[olive totem]

what are the techies verdict on 9950x3d?

im assuming just buy a 9800x3d? lol

[burnt spear]

For gaming 100%

[viral lagoon]

for only gaming 9800, if you're doing both, 9950 is goated

[dull flint]

@olive totem

[olive totem]

i dont get the amdip thingy

[dull flint]

Interccd lag

[olive totem]

how have they not fixed that yet

[dull flint]

Cos it's basically impossible to fix

These chips are physically apart

The fix is by not using chiplets

Which amd would NEVER do

That's one of the big reasons for ryzen success

[olive totem]

can you explain the frequency charts GN does?

like it has a 5.7ghz boost

what exactly is that

the higher a component is clocked the faster it runs?

[dull flint]

Yes

[graceful bronze]

bro

[olive totem]

and whats the main factor to getting steady/higher clocks, temperature?

[dull flint]

Multiple factors

Power, heat, voltage, current, workload

Temperature is one of the main ones

[olive totem]

gn review makes it look very impressive

if I ever get into something involving more production with my pc id love ryzen 9x3d ngl

[grizzled bloom]

As a 7900X3D owner
Don't bother with the 900 model. Either go X800 or X950.

For gaming, when it's not having scheduling problems (which are getting better) the X900 model performs like a X600

Some games will benefit from those extra cores

I wish AMD would launch a 12 core model that's 8+4

But that would mean they need a CCD where at least 3 cores fail validation

Suuuuper rare for that to happen, the yields are great right now

It's OK though, I'll just wait for next gen when we get 12 cores per CCD

Node shrink ftw

[sudden creek]

a 48 thread cpu would honestly be great.

I can run all my stuff without anything tampering with each other with such a setup though rn my bigger problem is board and lack of ram.

I am hitting my 64GB capacity pretty much daily now.

[placid vapor]

Thank God got one

[distant gulch]

curious what youre running to hit that limit

[grizzled bloom]

We've been down that path several times now lol

I recommended a 96 GB kit as a compromise between speed, compatibility, and capacity

[tender sleet]

That's two 48 gig sticks right?

Like damn that's some dense memory

[distant gulch]

Me sitting in the corner never reaching 32gigs of mem

[wind karma]

Looking at task managers usage allocation value?

[distant gulch]

I feel bad for the people who look at that and think "wow how am i using 12 gigs of memory with nothing running!!! Wtf windows!!"

Not that it isnt a resource hog but

[cobalt harness]

can someone let me know if this ram set is compatible with my mobo
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DMNZY56?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

[sudden creek]

When working it's due to around 100+ chrome tabs, when doing hobbies it's due to 3D Software, when gaming it's due to a combination of the above.

[wind karma]

If it is a ddr4 mobo ddr4 ram will work

PCPartPicker.com also will do a pretty good compatibility check

[olive totem]

I will be outside my micro center for whatever the flagship x3d chip is

10050X3D??

[grizzled bloom]

Goodbye 4 core CPUs forever at that point lol

Even with only half a CCD that's a 6 core part

24c/48t flagship on a desktop platform

10800X3D with 12 X3D cores

Or 11800 if they do another skip for the main chips

[cobalt harness]

so i enabled xmp 2.0 in bios on my new ram and my new ram is advertised to run at 3200mhz but it says in task manager its running at 3100

[grizzled bloom]

That... Shouldn't be possible

Ofc it is task manager so it's useless anyway

Check with cpu-z instead

Or hwinfo64

[grizzled bloom]

[cobalt harness]

?

[grizzled bloom]

That shouldn't be possible unless you change the bclk

[cobalt harness]

whats that

'bclk'

[grizzled bloom]

The frequency goes in steps of 33 not 50

[cobalt harness]

wym

[grizzled bloom]

Valid frequencies are all multiples of 33

[cobalt harness]

mine is ddr4 tho

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I know

[cobalt harness]

is soemthbign wrong or what

[grizzled bloom]

What's the CPU tab on cpu-z say

And the SPD tab

[dull flint]

That's either a forced override, changed bclk or both

[grizzled bloom]

Bus speed 100

Something is screwy

BIOS up to date?

[dull flint]

Frequency override

Steps of 33/66, overridden to 3100

Pretty sure it's 33 for ddr4

[grizzled bloom]

Valid frequencies would be 1533 (3066) or 1566 (3133) but it's weird that xmp would override it like that

[dull flint]

Cos the board would not the xmp

Ever used a scroll wheel in bios?

Sometimes you scroll and it changes a bunch of things

Like

[Drum roll]

Dram frequency

Lol

[wind karma]

I've done that but in solidworks 💀 forget to unselect a box and accidentally change a value when I try to scroll down to other stuff

[dull flint]

Yeah that kinda thing

Just accidental scroll lol

[sudden creek]

@dull flint do you have some time to spare per chance?

[sudden creek]

There seems to be a coating of dust on the board.

[sudden creek]

Could this be causing the board issues?

[wind karma]

No

Unless the dust is conductive

[sudden creek]

Welp I just tried what FlexibleFelix said to strip the PC down to its required components and see if I still run into booting issues and well unfortunately it's still happening.

[distant gulch]

have you tried putting a bandaid on it?

[wind karma]

• a kiss

[sudden creek]

sort of but not literally.

[sudden creek]

yes

[distant gulch]

A kiss with no bandaid? Damn thats cold

[sudden creek]

lmao.

that made my day, thank you.

[dull flint]

Worth trying new board now tbh

[sudden creek]

yeah I have lost all patience with this damn thing. Waiting to get paid then I am gonna get the X670E Gaming for $164 then try to warranty this one.

[viral lagoon]

is pc part picker smart enough to tell me if a ram is incompatible with a mobo's QVL list?

[hollow thorn]

No, and you generally don't have to be on the QVL list for it to work, it's generally just a matter of what speeds it can run, not a matter of what brand works

[viral lagoon]

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-ddr5-6000/p/N82E16820982007

Trying to determine if this will with with an 870e tomahawk

there's all sorts of people with issues enabling expo for certain rams with that board

[hollow thorn]

First I'd recommend switching to anything that's not Corsair, although instability is not as bad as on their ddr4, locked pmic is still locking a feature that no one else does rn

But in general there has been a lot of optimistic expo profiles, something tame like 6000c36 should be safe, it's generally more of a problem that the CPU's imc can't keep up rather than anything to do with the mobo until you get to like 10000mt/s

[viral lagoon]

i dont know a lot about ram, isnt cl30 recommended?

[hollow thorn]

Lower latency (CL is kinda indicative of it) = better, higher frequency = better, generally your mobo will only limit you when you're doing ridiculous frequency, where you'd likely be bound by the limits of your CPU's imc far before that. Latency is mostly just dependent on the ram itself

Just generalizing though, there's some times where specific combinations just don't work for other reasons

[viral lagoon]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-ddr5-6000/p/N82E16820374377

Would something like this be acceptable?

[hollow thorn]

There's a very cheap 6000c30 kit rn iirc

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1801354-REG/silicone_power_sp032gxlwu60afdg_32gb_2x16gb_zenith_ddr5_6000.html

Thought it was cheaper than that but still cheaper

[viral lagoon]

is it basically just any 6000c30 kit that isn't corsair? i will do a deep dive tomorrow and check out different ones

[sudden creek]

Pretty much.

G.Skill and Kingston make some good kits. I have used both.

[viral lagoon]

I have some gskill, been pretty happy with it

But it's ddr4

But I'm gonna do a full build for a 9070 if I can ever get one

If I will never do anything but gaming it doesn't make sense to get a 9950 right? The 9800 is close to it in performance but less power and less cost?

[dull flint]

Ye

[grizzled bloom]

Not just close, functionally equal in gaming performance

Which is a big win, the R9 parts used to game way worse

[hollow thorn]

6000c30 is great, 6000c32 is good, 6000c36 is good enough for xmp/docp, they all perform about the same at xmp but it's more indicative of what die is inside and what it can be capable of

[dull flint]

Way I see it. If you can spend the same money for hynix, you should get hynix

Hynix has the best compatibility of all of them on ddr5 at that, trains tighter

Runs marginally better

You just need to pick a kit with CL32 or lower

Resale will be better

Overclocks by far better

There's no downsides to it when it's the same price

And if it means you end up picking teamgroup over corsair or even trident z then it's a choice of better quality at that

Silicon power, klevv, teamgroup, all honestly good picks that deserve more attention to keep the market competitive

[hollow thorn]

yea, it's great to have, even though the performance won't have much of a difference stock

[long scaffold]

Can I use a ryzen7 9800x3d on my b650 mother board

[sudden creek]

What about Kingston?

[sudden creek]

Yes, just update the bios first.

[dull flint]

Kingston I have a soft spot for

[viral lagoon]

is this response to me? What is hynix?

[dull flint]

Hynix is what exists under every kit of ram and yes

There are 3 main oems for ddr5

Samsung, micron, hynix

The only ones that don't suck are hynix chips

And the easiest way to get hynix? CL32 or lower is the way to do it

Can be cheap as chips as long as it has that

It'll be hynix, extremely likely

Every brand you see on the shelf buys hynix, micron and/or samsung chips

Sticks them onto a ddr5 stick, slaps a heatspreader on

Boom, ddr5

Hynix is the meta

And this doesn't mean corsair hynix is ok, it's not

Any other brand as long as it's cheap and cl32 or lower

[viral lagoon]

Ok, I assume that there's no way to tell before hand? Like it's not listed on the specs for the memory or anything when searching?

[distant gulch]

If only my vram was hynix 😔

[dull flint]

If the kit says "CL32" "CL30" or "CL28" it's 98% chance of hynix

First number of an xmp after the speed

E.g 5600 28-38-38-38-76

CL28, hynix

[distant gulch]

What if he gets the 2%

[dull flint]

Then I'm sorry for his loss

It's rare af

[viral lagoon]

Ok, got ya. Is there any reason to go lower than CL30 or higher than 6000?

[dull flint]

Lol

[distant gulch]

Nah

[dull flint]

Not really

[distant gulch]

At least not without diminishing returns

Just chill with that

[dull flint]

Once you get hynix you effectively unlock any xmp on any motherboard up to like 6600

And on good motherboards 7400+

Hynix is the good stuff

[viral lagoon]

Any brands other than Corsair that should be avoided?

[dull flint]

Trains well, runs well

[dull flint]

Not really, just don't spend more than some $80-ish

Corsair is the only brand known to lock pmics

Which basically means it can't overclock

Not an issue for xmp/expo

But it'll ruin your resale

Cos no one will want corsair hynix

Cheap trick they did to minimise their warranty hit rate

Other brands are better anyway honestly

I'm a big fan of kingston fury for example

Really nice feeling material

Adata is good

Klevv

Teamgroup

I have a bunch of g.skill but honestly g.skill doesn't seem special, neither corsair

Brands for ram are pretty consistent tbh

Apart from corsair

[viral lagoon]

How much of a factor is the motherboard? I notice when I select 'Recommend Use AMD X870' on Newegg the options go down to just a handful

[dull flint]

Techspot has a 55 board long list of all boards tested from last gen

As long as you pick any of the ones that pass the vrm tests, they're fine

Beyond that, it's like picking for a usb hub

You know like, how many usb do you think you need? What storage do you think is needed?

For most people, some 6 or 7 usb and 2 m.2 is more than enough

And a LOT of motherboards cover that

And yes this will sound ambiguous cos X, B, even A class boards are enough in many use cases

For general use cases we generally opt for B or A class here

Only for niche cases like streaming, production, workstation, maybe large data would we suggest the X boards readily

Some A620's run better than B650 boards

And even have better usb and i/o options

So yeah, it's really ambiguous, but if you know how to approach this you can spend wayyyyy less on the board and ram and still compromise on absolutely nothing you needed anyway

[viral lagoon]

There's just too many options, it's very hard to lock in to most components because there's so many options and always someone who had a bad experience with X component

[dull flint]

What's the pc being used for

[viral lagoon]

gaming mostly

[dull flint]

9800x3d?

[viral lagoon]

yep

[dull flint]

I vaguely remember reading it

[viral lagoon]

board also needs wifi

[dull flint]

Atx or matx case

Makes no actual difference

But aesthetics purely

(Board brands don't wire slots properly anymore)

[viral lagoon]

ATX Mid Tower

[dull flint]

Any mid tower preference or

[viral lagoon]

its funny i just noticed they have the #1 best seller tag on the board i was thinking of getting

[viral lagoon]

im not sure what this is asking

[dull flint]

Like did you have a particular case in mind

[viral lagoon]

oh yeah, phanteks nv5 mk2

[dull flint]

Ok

Jeez 140$

They used to be 99$

You could get a fractal north for that

Any others in mind?

Oh nvm I found a better version of it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RRfHJn

Rough sketch idea

For the NV5 price you can get better NV5 at home with a full fan set lol

New gen antec cases are nice

[tender sleet]

woah

that's reallyy cool

you get all the fans included

[distant gulch]

Just do a skeleton build fr, cases are for the weak

[tender sleet]

pretty pricey tho

[dull flint]

It's there, just in case

[dull flint]

I basically spent $40 over the base mark whaddya want from me lmao

[tender sleet]

no I mean in our markjet

[dull flint]

Oh, eh

It's not too bad tbh

[distant gulch]

Im going to remove your skeleton

[tender sleet]

our market just sucks

[viral lagoon]

i will likely end up replacing the fans, I am kinda going for something thats similar to the lian li fans but will find a cheaper alternative

[dull flint]

The gpu is the only rogue element

[dull flint]

Ah yeah the sama y1203f ones

I agree with the philosophy

[viral lagoon]

if i dont do the rgb-esque build i have in my mind i mine as well just keep my mesh 2

[dull flint]

@viral lagoon how are these
https://www.centrecom.com.au/thermalright-tl-m12-s-argb-120mm-fan-black

They also have reverse versions

[viral lagoon]

yeah those are really cool

[dull flint]

Boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JNkdv4

Call that a final draft

Maybe even swap to an aio

[viral lagoon]

i was looking at the thermalright frozen notte aio

Are the reverse versions suppose to look like this, as opposed to

[dull flint]

Boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F6cYb2

[dull flint]

Notte is basically the same as all the other frozen ones

And aqua

The ones that are different I forget the prefix but they use asetek pumps (basically similar performance still)

Core

That's the prefix

[distant gulch]

Now you barely reach the requirements to play high on this goofy ass game

[dull flint]

There's also this screen one if you want an lcd

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sxP8TW/thermalright-frozen-warframe-argb-7084-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-warframe-360-black-argb

[dull flint]

I see burzoi

[distant gulch]

You need to put on your glasses old man

[dull flint]

Nuh uh read it again

ᴉoz ɹnq

[viral lagoon]

might be naive, but one of the reasons i was looking at an 870 board is for the pci 5.0, if i am reading correctly the b650 is only 4.0?

[dull flint]

You don't need 5.0 also pretty sure b650 has 5.0

5.0 m.2 is speed for people who render 24/7 with their job

Or server farms

Not normal people

For normal people honestly sata 3 is fast enough as an ssd for most use cases let alone the gen 4 I put in

Gen 5 m.2 is just asking for extra spending not needed

And the pcie 5.0 slot isn't needed either, we still haven't saturated gen 3 yet

You'll be quite a while out before you'd go through gen 4 let alone need 5

[distant gulch]

Delusional

[dull flint]

You ain't seen nothin yet

Winds up for more stupid

[viral lagoon]

Still looking at everything, but I believe this indicates no 5.0

[dull flint]

Guess not all have it

Either way it still has little to no impact

If there was a better gen 3 option I would've picked it

That's how much it matters

[distant gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-god-the-horror-disgust-natural-habitat-naturalhabitatshorts-gif-8213586932574605889

[olive totem]

i want the 9950x3d fr

[viral lagoon]

i thought i was going to but dont do enough productivity stuff to justify it

[grizzled bloom]

I can wait for next gen

12 core CCDs

[olive totem]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[grizzled bloom]

The node they're moving to is still new but it's super exciting

"The TSMC N3E node offers a 20% speed improvement, over 30% power savings, and approximately 60% logic density increase over TSMC N5"

With 60% higher density, you can add 50% more cores and still end up with a smaller die size

[warm hemlock]

A friend of mine has an i7-10700KF with a MasterLiquid ML240R, but the CPU temps aren't good

update : when the download finished the temps went normal (52-55)

[grizzled bloom]

84 is acceptable

The fans and pump are prone to failure on that AIO also, watch out for that

[olive totem]

zen 6?

whens that, 2026?

[grizzled bloom]

AMD has been running on a schedule of about 18 months between generations. Likely early 2027.

Zen 4 being an exception, it was delayed in part due to poor DDR5 availability at the time.

[potent dew]

7800X3D recommended is atrocious

[viral lagoon]

If I am viewing a ram kit and it specifically says a-die in the name, should i avoid that since it wont be hynix?

[dull flint]

"A-die" in the advertising means Hynix A die

[viral lagoon]

oh ok, i googled it and it said that its samsung

[dull flint]

Nah samsung has rev B

That's all afaik

It's basically B die but ddr5

Worked for ddr5 but meh performance

[viral lagoon]

i guess in further review it says SK Hynix Chip in the description as well

[dull flint]

If they're advertising that then they want to guarantee hynix A die which is basically a refund if you don't get it

[viral lagoon]

nice, will be my first time using Klevv ram

[dull flint]

Klevv is good man

I have heard great things about it the last 2 years

Really want to try a kit myself

[burnt spear]

I bought an A die jedec stick from them for my friends build, it's running 6000c30 just from copying the expo from a silicon power kit

[viral lagoon]

is there a guide on finding these expo settings?

[burnt spear]

I forget what I googled to find it

Felix might have some on hand but I'll take a look

This looks right

[viral lagoon]

oh boy this looks complicated lol

[burnt spear]

You go into bios to where you would enable expo and have to enter like 15-20 of those numbers, but they're all labeled the same

YouTube prolly has a tutorial somewhere

Or #overclocking pins

Oh maybe not I only see a ddr4 guide

[viral lagoon]

ill have to do some extensive searching once i get all the components, im kinda waiting to get a gpu before moving forward

[dull flint]

Have you stress tested that

If it's stable then damn that's a good bin

[burnt spear]

That was a random ss on Google

Not the one i set idt

I was trying to find a 6000c30 expo but sounds like that isn't one lmao

[balmy mango]

Do I need to plug the 2nd 8 pin power connector on the Asus Strix X870E-E Gaming mobo for 9800x3d?

[tender sleet]

it's recommended but probably not mandatory

[grizzled bloom]

No, just one of those 8 pin cables is rated for over 400W. The second one is optional unless you're doing extreme overclocking.

[balmy mango]

Thank you, I kept getting asked why I only have 1 connected. Was starting to question my decision

[tender sleet]

I mean especially when you have something like a 160w power draw tops chip

Even one is kind of overkill

[plain vortex]

Is $200 a good price for a 5700x3d?

[burnt spear]

About average

Personally I'd rather a 7500f and just resell current mobo/ram, but thats me not you lol

[plain vortex]

Eh okay, I bought it. If I go through the hassle of changing Mobo/ram/cpu I'd go for a 9800x3d

5600x are selling for like $125 locally so I'm confident I can at least get $100 for it

Idk why they're selling for so much lol

With the 5700x3d I should be good for like 2-3 more years.

Then I'd probably just make a whole new build

[plain vortex]

I have a friend with an older i5 8400 build, he wants to upgrade his CPU/ram/Mobo and has $350. Can he get something good in that budget?

[grizzled bloom]

12600k or 13400 with a B760 or B660 motherboard. Keep the same memory.

[plain vortex]

I was thinking something like this but it's much more
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bDhKRK

[plain vortex]

Would a 12600KF also be good?

It's like $25 less

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's just missing the igpu

Upgrading the memory is in budget too https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N2QvNz

[plain vortex]

Would one of these CPUs bottleneck something like an Arc B580 or a 4060s/ti?

[grizzled bloom]

No it'll pair pretty well

[plain vortex]

I bet he'll upgrade his 6gb 1060 to either of those

Alright thanks let me send this to him

[plain vortex]

Would something like this Mobo be better if he decides to slightly OC the cpu later?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FDJp99/msi-pro-z790-s-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z790-s-wifi

It's a bit cheaper

[grizzled bloom]

That would work

[plain vortex]

Alright thanks!

[grizzled bloom]

Swap that board in and the KF and it's the same price almost

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yLrBxg

[plain vortex]

If he can stretch his budget another $100 would it be wiser to go to 7600x?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

More room to upgrade later is the biggest argument for that one

[plain vortex]

Alright thanks again, I'll tell him

[grizzled bloom]

The 9800X3D is a solid 30% faster iirc

Same socket

[plain vortex]

It's about 450 ATM though

But true he can upgrade later on to it

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's only $450 because it's the latest and greatest thing. Give it a few years and it'll be $250.

You can even get a used one with little risk

[plain vortex]

Yup

[quasi maple]

is it recommended to use PBO for a 5700x3d? its just basically free performance and it auto-adjusts itself so it wouldn't really degrade your cpu over a long time right?

got a phantom spirit 120 SE rn, but in OCCT, temps go around 90 degrees celcius with full 100% load, that's normal right?

[grizzled bloom]

Basically free performance as long as you can cool it. If it starts to throttle you can end up losing performance instead.

[grizzled bloom]

OCCT is a worst case, all cores at full load test. It's normal to see high temps.

[tender sleet]

@grizzled bloom Iirc 5000X3D cannot be PBOd

Same as 7000X3D

I mean you can undervolt but not like standard overclock

[quasi maple]

o i see

ppl recommended to just use Curve Optimizer

is that basically the setting i should enable

[olive totem]

please dont 8ball gif me i beg but

do you think once zen6, x3d specifically, releases, that high end zen 5 x3d will drop in price or will they just go OOS? whatever the zen6 flagship x3d is I want it, unless say the 9950x3d dropped, which iirc the 7950x3d did a bit before going kind of OOS right?

cause ik you are also prob holding out until zen6

[meager elbow]

🎱

[sudden creek]

PBO can be enabled on 7000x3D with curve optimizer but yeah you can't overclock it the same way you would with like a non X3D chip.

[vagrant mist]

For maximum confusion, 7kx3D series

[grizzled bloom]

No idea how stock is going to look in a year. By then Intel will have their next gen out, which may or may not need a new socket and may or may not compete in gaming again.

[plain vortex]

When I swap in the 5700x3d I don't have to do anything else in the system right?

Since it's still the same platform and everything

[burnt spear]

You need to update bios before taking the 5600x out

Otherwise you're good

[plain vortex]

Thanks! I believe I have the latest BIOS or at least something from mid 2024 ATM

I'll need to check when I get home

[grizzled bloom]

That should be recent enough but it's a good idea to update anyway since it'll clear your cmos too

Plus there has been a major security update from a few months ago

[plain vortex]

Ohh didn't know about that. I'll update it asap then!

[plain vortex]

damn it's pretty old lol

Also since when does b550 have pcie 5.0

I'll update to 3611 which is the latest one that came out on 2024/11/1

[hollow thorn]

It's only pcie 4.0, it's saying the GPU is capable of pcie 5.0, but currently running at 4.0

[plain vortex]

ahhh okay thanks

[sudden creek]

MSI X670E Gaming WiFi for $164, any deal better than that right now? It's part of the Amazon Renewed Program in Exllenct condition so that means it's fully functional, no missing items, and no visual defects plus 90 day no questions asked warranty.

Needs:

• 4x M.2 or more
• WiFi

[plain vortex]

This should be up to date now

Weird after the bios update REbar turned itself off

It disabled itself in BIOS lol

[viral lagoon]

Any concerns with getting KLEVV CRAS 6000MHz CL30 A-DIE SK Hynix Chip for $99? 2x 16gb

[grizzled bloom]

Only concern I have is that it's not actually A die, or is bad bin. Some reviewers aren't able to get it up to A die speed (7200+) which would indicate that it's M die typically.
The product page on the klevv website also makes no claim of the die used, only the Amazon page does.

[viral lagoon]

I will just blame Build Boi then for suggesting Klevv 😄

there's a review on PCPart picker saying it's A die but has trouble with timings

[grizzled bloom]

It's still a decent kit, just not intended for overclocking too much

[sudden creek]

@dull flint @grizzled bloom I have ordered the motherboard. Should be here in about a week.

[viral lagoon]

That's ok with me, I don't think I want to mess with OC anyway. One of the reasons I was turned off from the 9070XT is because undervolting felt mandatory. I can probably just set my 70ti and forget it.

I am going to do a 6400/cl32 kit though, it's only $1 extra. I just hope I don't have to mess with timings, but if I do it looks straightforward enough to try and figure out.

[viral lagoon]

I know you have to take Amazon reviews with a grain of salt, but they're pretty positive for that set of ram. A lot of people claim in the comments they were able to just plug the 6400 in and go without any issues. Hoping for the same

[grizzled bloom]

6400 may or may not work on AMD if you were going that route. At least, not without running UCLK=MCLK/2, which hurts performance. 6000 is much more likely to work synced. I got 6200 working on mine.

The performance loss is similar to going from gear 2 to gear 4 on Intel

[viral lagoon]

Yeah, I've read like a million posts about it. I keep seeing that 6000/30 is gonna be fine out of the box in 99% of circumstances and the gain by going to 6400/cl32 will hardly be noticeable. But it is faster and has more 'future proofing' I guess. I feel like for only $1 more it's worth trying, I can always learn how to adjust timings to make it stable, or just return the ram and switch to 6000/30.

Im still on the fence, but kinda want to try the higher option since it's only $1 more

[burnt spear]

You can also just take the EXPO timings of a 6000c30 kit and throw them on a 6400c32 kit

And vice versa

Both of them will be A or M die which can easily do one or the other

10 minute yt tutorial and you're set lol

[sudden creek]

if your fine with tinkering try it. take it from someone that lurks in the oc channel a bit too much. As far as I can tell, it seems around 1/7 people I meet are able to run 6400cl32 on 2x16GB kits or less.

Worse case, just turn on xmp and turn the frequency down to 6000 I kinda doubt you'd have a hard time with those timings at 6000mhz.

[sudden creek]

i just noticed something strange, the MSI X670E Gaming only has 2 RGB headers but it has 8 fan headers.

[viral lagoon]

I am doing 2x24 if that matters, and itll be AMD so not sure if EXPO works the same as XMP

[sudden creek]

expo/xmp same thing, just slightly different timings.

[sudden creek]

Hmmm, I'd say 50/50 odds.

Worst case as mentioned the fix is very simple.

takes like 2m to change the rated speed down if need be.

[viral lagoon]

im probably reading too much into the comments but theres quite a few reviews saying they had no problems with 6400

[burnt spear]

You should be fine

With newer agesa 6400 is stable very often on am5

Especially on 9000 series

[sudden creek]

In either case, the end point is this.

Try the 6400 kit, if push comes to shove it only takes a couple minutes to change the speed and your good to go.

[sudden creek]

Does 9000 series have a better IMC?

[viral lagoon]

What do I need to search for on YT if it's not stable out of the box?

[burnt spear]

Pretty sure

[burnt spear]

We can cross that bridge when we get there

I doubt you'll need to

[sudden creek]

Just pop in #overclocking, YT is going to give you a bunch of useless crud.

I'd be happy to help.

[burnt spear]

Eh there's some good tutorials

[viral lagoon]

yeah, itll be a bit anyway, MSI must've been taking pre-orders cause still no shipping on my card

[burnt spear]

But if you're willing to help that'll be better lol

[sudden creek]

issue is they are all going to be about Overclocking vs fixing unstable ram training

[burnt spear]

There's some for setting a different expo

Or just a screenshot of a 6000c30 kits voltages and timings would be enough

[viral lagoon]

Here's one of the first things that come up

[sudden creek]

I feel like your overthinking this more than I usually do lmao.

But yeah just try the kit, if it doesn't work, ping me in #overclocking

[viral lagoon]

overthinking is what i do best

[sudden creek]

shouldn't even need to touch timings or voltages, just nudge the frequency down by 200-400mhz if a problem occurs.

[viral lagoon]

i change my build list every day cause i see one obscure comment in this discord and rethink my full build

[sudden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-imac-ltt-linus-tech-tips-linus-gif-23591347

[viral lagoon]

and every time i change it the price goes up $25-50 😄

[sudden creek]

just to be clear, I won't be on speed dial but I check the overclocking channel a few times a day.

[viral lagoon]

no worries

there's usually enough people around, fingers crossed the whole build comes together without any problems 😄

gotta make sure my card has all the ROPs first

🤣

[sudden creek]

What is rops?

[viral lagoon]

In the context of GPUs, ROP stands for Render Output Unit/Raster Operations Pipeline and is a crucial hardware component responsible for the final stages of rendering, including processing data and preparing it for output to the display

5X cards have been shipping without these

or missing some

[sudden creek]

what card did you buy?

5080 or 5090 I am guessing.

[viral lagoon]

5070ti

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

9800x3D I assume?

[viral lagoon]

yep

[sudden creek]

mhmm

[viral lagoon]

I tried getting the $999 5080 from the last shuffle but no luck as usual

[sudden creek]

I'd like to upgrade my gpu at some point soon along with a monitor upgrade afterwards I plan to get a 9950x3D.

[viral lagoon]

I do literally 0 productivity stuff so a 9950 is a waste of money for me

[sudden creek]

very fair

not as much lately but usually I do a lot of video editing and 3D design.

[viral lagoon]

I think moving to 4k or moving to a 240hz monitor will be later this year

[sudden creek]

Been focused on work lately so I haven't had much time to do stuff

[viral lagoon]

but i hate monitor shopping, its hard to find any that have consistent reviews

[burnt spear]

How much are you looking to spend?

$250 aoc mini led or $500-600 OLED would be my suggestion

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kJP8TW/aoc-q27g3xmn-270-2560-x-1440-180-hz-monitor-q27g3xmn

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/98pQzy/samsung-odyssey-g60sd-270-2560-x-1440-360-hz-monitor-ls27dg602snxza

[viral lagoon]

im not sure, i dont even know how much of an improvement i will see going from 144hz to whatever is next

[burnt spear]

Going from an lcd display to OLED is much bigger than just a refresh rate increase

The aoc mini led is on par with a decent IPS monitor, except it has much better hdr/colours

[sudden creek]

@burnt spear for text clarity are there any oleds that provide good clarity that isn't like $1,000?

[burnt spear]

Probably a woled

[sudden creek]

I spend 12-14 hours a day reading.

Around 500 paragraphs worth of text a day for work.

[viral lagoon]

"I have heard the phrase "Once you go OLED, you can't go back" a few times, but frankly I haven't noticed any earth-shattering difference between this and a good IPS panel worthy of the price difference. the blacks do look better, but I think I am just not sensitive or perceptive enough to color contrast or fidelity for OLED to be worth it right now." lol

reviews are funny

[burnt spear]

If you play fast paced shooters nothing compares to OLED

[sudden creek]

Same goes for vivid slow paced games iirc for the stunning scenes

[burnt spear]

Mini led is just as good for that tbf

[sudden creek]

I wanna know what Ark Survival Ascended with max settings would look like on an OLED screen.

[burnt spear]

Same great colors and hdr

[sudden creek]

these night shifts are gonna kill me...

Been trying to do a big push are work and between the lack of sleep and monsters I feel like a mess.

[viral lagoon]

Dont play many shooters, but I may in the future. Id like an OLED but theyre so spendy

[strange sedge]

I really wanna get one

But man that price

[viral lagoon]

maybe I will get one next year if the bonus at work is good

[strange sedge]

Maybe I’ll get one end of summer if I don’t get scammed again 😄

[viral lagoon]

I guess I could also buy one if I manage to sell my old parts once the new build is complete

but not sure on that without the original boxes and my fear of being scammed by a refund or something

maybe ill get lucky locally

[viral lagoon]

found my next one

[sudden creek]

Just why.....

[viral lagoon]

people with that kind of money live in a different reality

[meager elbow]

it's not even oled

[plain vortex]

They're worth it haha

[viral lagoon]

that's what Ive heard, once i recover from the new build maybe ill plan for that

[wintry idol]

Why is 8k even a thing lol

I understand 5k i guess, so you can edit a native 4k video and still have a UI around it but 8k?

[midnight pollen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viral lagoon]

Bigger number = better

[dim vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/unicron-unicron-hunger-hungry-i-hunger-unicron-hungry-gif-24981445

[potent dew]

me when I go to a most inconvenient RGB header placement competition and my opponent is Gigabyte

[viral lagoon]

How long is AM5 likely to be around?

[meager elbow]

At least for one more generation

Maybe 2 more generations
Maybe even 3

Zen 6 was confirmed to be am5 afaik

[grizzled bloom]

AMD was still committed to "at least 2027" last I heard for the socket, which at their current release cadence gets one more generation (not counting APUs in between)

[potent dew]

Is there any limit to how many RGB fans I can chain to one header?

Because my other headers are basically unreachable

I have the RGB controls for my AIO and two front fans connected right now and it works fine

[viral lagoon]

I believe based on discussions last night, there's a limit and it depends on how many amps/LEDs the fans have

If @dull flint is around, he seems to have all the knowledge

[burnt spear]

1amps worth if i remember what felix said

[plain vortex]

I'm interested in undervolting my 5700x3d when it gets here

Do I only need to download PBO2 TUNER and start testing with something like -30 on all cores until I find something that's stable and that's it?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes and it depends on the spec of the specific header

[grizzled bloom]

-30 all core is very ambitious. Maybe start at -15 and let corecycler run for a good 24 hours to see which cores crash.

[plain vortex]

Thanks, so -15 all cores. Any other tests I should run?

[grizzled bloom]

As many as you can

The more tests with different configurations and instruction sets, the better

[potent dew]

Probalby in the manual?

[plain vortex]

Also, should I use PBO2 or just use my ROG b550-f's BIOS?

[grizzled bloom]

For example, looping cinebench for 2 hours, switch between single and multi core, them do another version of cinebench

I just use BIOS

[grizzled bloom]

Often yes, but other times it's whatever the brand is because they'll just use the same ones across multiple versions

[plain vortex]

I might try before on my 5600x to get a hang of it before the new one arrives. What undervolt should I attempt for it? -15 too?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah

With a boost override of +200 it's not uncommon to need a positive CO offset to keep it stable on a core or two

[plain vortex]

Alright thanks!

[prisma hill]

Hello, I'm trying to build a pc, Id like to have the cpu be equal to or better than a 5600x, I saw a listing for a 3800xt for 100 cad but I am not sure if it is on par with the 5600x

From what I understand most games and such would be using one core so in that case the 5600X would be better

But the cpu mark which ig is average overall says the 3800xt is better

So which is better, does it just depend if youre gonna use more cores?

[burnt spear]

5600x by a good 15% ish for games

However if this fits your budget, it'd be a lot better both performance and upgradability wise.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/XBwhBq

Cheaper
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/9mYHrM

[prisma hill]

Thanks

[prisma hill]

is this simply bc of the single thread rating

in what case is the 3800xt better then

[burnt spear]

Yes

3800xt might be better in some workstation tasks

But most people would benefit from the better single core performance of the 5600x, most games only use 4-6 cores and the games that use more are very few and far between

[prisma hill]

the pc im trying to build is for my sister, I wasnt told anything about budget or anything except for she wanted it to be on par with my pc, my pc is this one here: (Im pretty sure you made this list for me as well Bacca)
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wxs2RV

[burnt spear]

Looks pretty familiar lol

You could maybe pass it on and swap the storage out for her, and give yourself an upgrade?

[burnt spear]

12600k on ddr5 would be a bit better than your pc

[prisma hill]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/R77xYd

[prisma hill]

yep, you gave me that same suggestion last time

[burnt spear]

Ah lol

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/cH6RHW

Theres a 5600x option if you'd rather not

Im gonna try heading back to bed though, peace

[prisma hill]

Thanks for answering my questions, gn

[burnt spear]

Ill be back on in the morning

Gn

[sudden creek]

Recently went to BestBuy and had fun exploring the tech parts and I noticed just how small normal PC cases are. It made me realize how massive my fractal torrent really is and here I was thinking lately that my fractal torrent was smallish.

[tender sleet]

Honestly PC case sizes are all relative

I consider a standard ATX case very big because my desk is tiny
Someone with a 10 foot wide desk might consider a 1000D to be small

[wind karma]

Yep. Bacca already sort of explained this but you can see the singlecore score is 17% slower for the 3800xt (close to baccas gaming estimate of 15%). The vast majority of games right now won't see a performance impact between a 6 core and 8 core cpu

The 3800xt does have a bit more cache but I don't think that makes up the singlecore performance difference

[tender sleet]

I'm pretty sure there's some uplift by proxy as there is 4 threads for background tasks so the game threads can be high priority and maybe find a percent of two

[prisma hill]

I have two questions:

MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX, is this a decent mobo, tbh I look at mobos and they all seem the same to me, only differences being the dif slots, this one seems to have a couple less slots for m.2 or etc but otherwise seems fine?

Is there a performance difference in having 4 sticks of 8gb ram vs 2 sticks of 16

[burnt spear]

2 sticks is easier on the cpu to run

[hollow thorn]

I hope you're getting the board for very cheap if you're buying it, it's a decent mobo with flashback

4x8 on ddr4 is very slightly better than 2x16 performance wise, but less upgradability

[prisma hill]

AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8-Core with AMD Wraith Cooler - $125
MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX - $80
Corsair Vengeance Pro 16gb (8gb x 2) - $50

thats all cad, guy said he can do bundle deal

no idea what that deal would be, but what do you think

[burnt spear]

Not awful but not great either

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/QvdRW3

If you could find a used 5600/x it'd be a good bit better than the 3800x, and run a lot cooler

[dull flint]

Oh wait CAD

Nvm I'M goofed

[burnt spear]

Ram isn't well priced even in cad though

[dull flint]

Agree

It's meh

But the other two are ok

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/zBTzK8/silicon-power-xpower-turbine-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-sp016gxlzu320bda

[prisma hill]

ye the ram is def way too high, only 2 sticks of 8gb too

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PJ6qqs/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-z-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tlzgd432g3600hc18jdc01

what do you think of this ram btw, this is the same one you recommended me before btw

[burnt spear]

Whats used 5600/x pricing like?

Its solid

[burnt spear]

Actually yeah that's the same price as the 3200c16 kit i chose here

Good choice for ram

[prisma hill]

there was a 5600 that was sold yesterday for 100 cad, that was a good deal but it got insta bought premuch

On the sold page of marketplace 5600X are going between 120-150

cad

[burnt spear]

If you can id spend the extra for one

Used b450 or b550 should be around 80-90 cad

[viral lagoon]

build boi is the motherboard purist/elitist, he will chop you down if you overspend

[dull flint]

Eh

[burnt spear]

Not really?