cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dull flint]

Wtf

[rapid thunder]

I’m confused now too

[dull flint]

Please call Amazon CS mate I genuinely feel like something is way wrong here

I said it before and I'll say it again, still getting alarm bells

You really should contact them asap

[rapid thunder]

I don’t actually know the day it shipped to be clear.

My job requires me to be away from my phone for 24 hour periods. I think I just noticed it today.

I’m trying to figure out their CS system now.

CS’s chat bot seems to be telling me to wait for it to be delivered then return it.

Is there any greater risk of harm waiting to see if it arrives and testing it before returning and asking for a refund?

I’m hesitant to pull the trigger on a chargeback with the bank because it’s a family amazon account that I’m not the owner of and don’t want to break anything or get it penalized or something.

[dull flint]

Yes

Contact their team asap

The standard is to wait, but what many amazon scammers do is they will flee the storefront before the chargeback is issued

So they run off with the money, while you're waiting for a parcel that basically never arrives, or when it arrives, is junk

[rapid thunder]

Talked with a human representative. They requested I wait for delivery first and that they would issue me a full refund if it turns out to be fraudulent.

[dull flint]

Good

It's on your record now

Thank god

[rapid thunder]

Screenshotted it too just in case

[dull flint]

Yes'

💯

Ok NOW

I'm not as worried

If a few weeks pass and nothing *(good) turns up you know what to do

[rapid thunder]

Yep. Amazon is tracking the concern and I guess we’ll see what happens. Most likely I get nothing or a counterfeit and just work with them to get my money back.

Though I’m curious if there’s any chance it is legitimate.

Of course even if it is a real 7800X3D, I’ll be wondering if it’s defective or high mileage and just repacked.

[dull flint]

Have to wait and see, for now you can avoid alerting the bank if you prefer

This is why amazon is good for shopping lol

[rapid thunder]

I’ll be sure to let you know the results of this adventure when we have an update.

Sidebar, are you English by any chance? Your word choice reminds me of English literature I read/listened to as a kid.

[dull flint]

Ah

I had a decent education lol

I also am pretty good at speaking on my feet

Not english, Australian

And du?

[rapid thunder]

Ah. Similar vernacular then. I’m American, but my maternal grandmother was Aussie.

[dull flint]

Ah

Noice

Lol

[rapid thunder]

She was born in New Castle, New South Wales and immigrated to the states between the ages of 18 and 20 I think when she married my grandfather who was in the navy at the time.

[dull flint]

Oh wow

That would've been like, 80 years ago

maybe 60?

I don't even know if they were using Newcastle for a navy port back then

It's mainly a point of exports now

So they probably met on an allied deployment then

That's really interesting

[rapid thunder]

My mother was born in the early ‘70s. I could just ask her the exact timeline, but it’s past 2:00 in the morning for us and I don’t plan to wake her over it.

I suspect my grandparents got hitched in the late ‘60s or early ‘70s.

[dull flint]

That would've been just between the Vietnam war and the cold war

So peacetime deployment and she followed him over maybe? That's a hell of a story if true

[rapid thunder]

Cold War covers basically from 1945 or ‘49 to 1991 I think so Vietnam is just included under it alongside the Korean War.

I’ll have to ask my mom how they met. Sadly both are deceased. My grandmother passed several years ago. Nearly a decade I think. My grandfather left us last year.

[dull flint]

Damn

I'm really curious if they met over here tho

[rapid thunder]

They had a… rocky relationship and were divorced many years before my grandmother passed, but without them I wouldn’t be here.

I do miss them from time to time. I wish I’d pressed my grandfather for more stories of his time in service, but in his last couple years I kept feeling like I didn’t want to bother him with the strain of remembering a past he didn’t altogether like.

[dull flint]

That would make things really interesting

[dull flint]

Fair enough

[rapid thunder]

He was proud to have served, though he didn’t like to be recognized for it and the war did leave a mark on him which, among other things, strained his marriage and relationship with his kids

Sadly not an uncommon tale among vets

[dull flint]

I can imagine somewhat how that feels

Throwing yourself into a field of death, being regarded as a hero

Mixed feelings for sure

And the problems thereafter

Like PTSD is really common

[rapid thunder]

I know very little about Aussie participation in Vietnam other than that you were there with us. I hope you guys have memorials for your ‘Nam vets too

[dull flint]

We have memorial services that go on uninterrupted every year

But the younger generations seem to have gone numb to the pain it caused everyone

Idk, very complex topic, I myself aren't very old but I respect the trauma people put themselves through

[rapid thunder]

Indeed.

Well Felix, it’s been a pleasure but it’s about 2:30 A.M. for me and I have work tomorrow.

I’ll post an update on the CPU story when it comes up.

Hope the holidays are treating you and yours well. I wish you a belated Merry Christmas and Boxing Day and an early Happy New Year.

[dull flint]

Np and good luck mate, hope it all works out

[sudden creek]

@dull flint, @burnt spear, the PC made it alive!

Just got all the wires plugged, and cleaned the PC interior/exterior and peripherals down with alcohol wipes.

[indigo wraith]

Hiya guys

I need some advice

Should i get a 5600X for 105 euros or 5800X for 158 euros? It will be paired with a 1060 3gb (will be upgraded soon to 3080/6900xt) and a A320M-K

16gb of 3200mhz ram

[burnt spear]

Personally I'd wait and just upgrade motherboard and ram too, but if you can't, the 5600/x

[indigo wraith]

The price jump is too high

I wanted the 5700X3d but it went out of stock

having to get new ram new mobo new cpu (not to mention the inflated prices of 7th gen here) it would cost me more than CPU and GPU upgrade

[hollow thorn]

I wouldn't trust the vrms on that board to do more than a 5600/x without throttling, looks like just 4 stages and without a heatsink for them

[indigo wraith]

how much is the performance difference between the 5600x and 5800x

gamging wise

[hollow thorn]

Depending on the game, effectively none for most games

[indigo wraith]

Lets say something like fortnite valorant, the finals, assasins creed and Fifa

[hollow thorn]

Basically none, at most 5%

[indigo wraith]

the 2 cores really dont matter that much?

[burnt spear]

No, and the 5800x will require more power from the motherboard, which that motherboard will not be able to supply

And the 5800x also runs very hot

The 5600/x is already pushing it on that mobo, that's why id suggest waiting and going to am5 if possible.

[indigo wraith]

alright fair enough

ill pick it up tomorrow

only one dude told me to go 5800x but thats cause he thought 5600x for 105 is too expensive

[burnt spear]

if 5600 is cheaper theyre basically the same cpu

but 105 isnt bad

[indigo wraith]

its actually more money 😂

5600X is on discount

[tired lynx]

Any recommendations for a powerful gaming cpu ( one on the cheaper side ) I currently have a 4060 so i dont need to go insane.

[dull flint]

How much was the 4060 mate

[grizzled bloom]

Ryzen 7600/X would be a good match for that

[dull flint]

Apparently the even newer microcode update for the new intel platform wiped away all the fps that was gained in Cyberpunk from the previous one

Rip

15th gen is a wash

[vagrant mist]

Guys please just one more patch

[dull flint]

Fine wine we swear

[meager elbow]

fine wine when the cork dry rots

[scenic iris]

I'm booting my setup for the first time, going to bios update, it's a gigabyte x870e aorus elite wifi7, one source says to rename the file to gigabyte.bin, another says to just put the file on there and put it into the qflash usb, what should I do?

[dull flint]

It'll only work one way or another

The first one sounds like the method for bios flashing with the button

The other for just updating via bios

Though you shouldn't need to update unless you bought like a 9950X or something lol

Curious what this pc will be used for to need an x870e

This a server or like nic, or workstation?

Lots of m.2 or usb?

[velvet furnace]

This is the motherboard that came with my PC I purchased from newegg: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650M-C-rev-10#kf

Can anyone tell me if there is more than 1 NVMe slot?

I understand it points to what things are, but idk if those are actual PCIe slots for storage

[velvet furnace]

@cursive epoch

[cursive epoch]

The board's specs says there's 3

nvm

There's only one

[velvet furnace]

damn, going to have to copy the data over then and do it the hard way

[burnt spear]

Boards with 1 nvme slot in 2024 are weird

Thats weirder than the a620m pro rs only having one pcie slot

[grizzled bloom]

4 x16 slots on a mATX is just goofy

They're probably only wired x1 too

Confirmed they're only at x1

I dug a little deeper and it gets worse

Those are supposed to be M.2 slots but they're only wired for 3.0 x1 and it says it only supports 2260 size drives, not the standard 2280

[burnt spear]

lmfao

gigglebyte back at it again

[grizzled bloom]

WHAT IS THIS MANUAL https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_quick-guide_am5.pdf?v=83286c28fc433eef02cd47d495807f67

[meager elbow]

amazing

[scenic solar]

vertical m.2 slots?

look at this beauty

ready to snap off as soon as you hit that when mounting a cooler

[grizzled bloom]

Except the one on the gigglebyte board is near the GPU so you better hope your GPU isn't more than 3 slots thick or those will be useless

[delicate patrol]

Does any1 have an Asus ProArt x870 Mobo?

We are building a 3d modeling tool for PC components and are having a hard time finding the backside of that Mobo to model cant find any photos online

[tender sleet]

This is the best material I can find online

there's effectively nothing on the backside worth mentioning

[grim sequoia]

How much of a difference does CL30 to CL32 make for AM5? I see stuff about CL30 6000 MT/s being the 'most optimal' for AM5 CPUs. But I don't fully understand the difference. Looking at some CL32 sticks that I like more than the CL30 (price and aesthetics), but I don't know if I should be sticking exclusively to CL30.

[tender sleet]

CL30 is "optimal" as that's the lowest CAS latency available currently iirc

The lower your latency on 7000 and 9000 the better

[meager elbow]

CL 32 is technically worse than CL 30 (cas latency, lower is better, though mt/s matters as well)

[grizzled bloom]

The problem is that if CAS is too low you can actually get less performance. We proved that in #overclocking recently. CL32 down to CL28, benchmark goes from 1.46 down to 1.41, or a loss of about 3.4%.

[hollow thorn]

When it comes to what the xmp says, kits that are marked cl30 will perform better than cl32 at xmp assuming xmp is stable. It might also be better binned, but whether or not it's a better buy depends on the price difference between the kits.

The performance difference at xmp is probably something like 2-3%

But it's a small amount where run to run variation may be more visible than the performance difference itself

[dull flint]

CAS doesn't matter

The attached timings dependent on CAS does

And there's not many of them

Very little impact mostly

What really actually matters is whether or not it's some form of hynix

Hynix on motherboards train on much better algorithms due to a better performing chip

They run a solid degree faster

Like Hynix M and A run very close but Samsung B and Micron A and B run with the PC about 3% slower on average

So without making it too complicated

Any kit with CAS 32 or less (CL32) will be great, and they will all perform very close to each other due to the way motherboards "train" ram

Anything beyond meeting that prerequisite is a bonus

[scenic iris]

It's not the e version, messed that up

Nah I got it cus it was a good deal and looked cool tbh

Why not spend the extra 50 for something way better and cooler

[scenic solar]

Small problem, the mediocre Gigabyte GA H110N I got with the mediocre block of components is bloated down to the bios with OEM things from the company that built this system many years ago. I'd like to update the 2018 bios with the latest 2024 release but it gives me a oemid mismatch error. the original gigabyte boot logo has also been replaced with the other company logo. How can I get rid of this proprietary version of the bios? maybe a complete reprogram of the bios chip using ch341 or similar is best?

[lyric turret]

got my new 9800x3d cpu what bio settings should i change with it? ik i have to do something with the cores?

[grizzled bloom]

No idea what you're talking about with the core thing. Unless you want to overclock it you don't need to do anything. It does overclock really well.

[lyric turret]

yea i wanna overclock it

[grizzled bloom]

What cooler did you have again?

[lyric turret]

enermax liqmax flo 360

[grizzled bloom]

Don't bother with PBO, set it to lock all cores to the boost frequency of 5.2GHz and go up from there. I've seen people do 6GHz on an AIO.

[lyric turret]

where do i do that? cpu configuration?

[grizzled bloom]

bios

It'll be named something like "core multiplier"

Auto follows the usual boost behavior, and setting to a given multiplier should lock it to the set frequency

Oh and you can set the core voltage to whatever you're comfortable with. I think 1.3v was still considered safe? It's still pretty new so that much isn't really documented

[lyric turret]

alright ty

[lyric turret]

also my monitor is having a probem xD Not sure where this would go but some of my games like EFT when i run it in full screen it runs like crap, but in borderless its smooth... but on other games like fort csgo etc it runs amazing on fullscreen.. iv tried 2 dif cables and still same issue but when i was runnning a 1920 by 1080p monitor the games ran fine. on fullscreen so i didnt needed to use borderless. the borderless monitor is a m27qx

[meager elbow]

Sometimes games are just like that

[vagrant mist]

I just run everything borderless

In no situation am I ever just going to run game and do nothing else

[meager elbow]

lmao

a true multitasker

[sly moth]

I am looking to build my own PC (at some point), but was wondering what would be a decent-to-great CPU. I am wanting to stick with AMD Ryzen. I am thinking Ryzen 7, but after that, no idea, Price wise, anything up to $400 would be my price range. I am looking online as well, trying to get an idea. Oh, and I am ok with AM5 as well. Any info/advice is appeciated. thank you

[burnt spear]

whats the pc being used for?

the 7600/x performs near identcally to any other 7000 series cpu without x3d cache in games

[sly moth]

@burnt spear ah, sorry. Forgot those details. Would be for gaming and streaming mainly. And some non-intensive stuff as well (school stuff). But, mainly gaming and streaming.

[burnt spear]

7600/x is right up your alley then, unless you either have a microcenter nearby or can find a well priced 7800x3d/9800x3d

[sly moth]

is X3D really worth it? I am trying to read up on it, and it sounds like it may be, depending on the game?? And for price, the lowest I have seen (so far) is $359 for the 7800x3d

[burnt spear]

it just depends on the price difference

are you near a microcenter?

the 7600x3d bundle at $450 is great

[sly moth]

Sadly, no. Not near a microcenter.

[burnt spear]

then i wouldn't suggest it really, unless you got a used 7800x3d for 330-360ish. 7600/x is still a fantastic cpu, id suggest it with up to a 7900xt for 1440p

and you can always drop in a 9800x3d or better later (years from now), if there is something better down the line on am5

[sly moth]

ok, gotcha. I think for now I may stay away from the X3Ds. Unless a great deal comes along soon-ish. How about the 7700's? Would those be a decent one as well?

[burnt spear]

they're alright, but perform maybe 1-2% better than the 7600/x in games

[sly moth]

ok, so not much of an increase, gotcha. sounds like then 7600/x would be best option (overall). Price, performance, etc...

[lyric turret]

i was watching a yt vid on it but idk if i should copy his bio settings bc he has similar specs as me

[grizzled bloom]

No, when you're overclocking every chip is going to act differently. Some can get more frequency easily, others need more voltage to do the same, and occasionally what works for one person burns the hardware of another.

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom the TG Contact Frame comes with a foam pad I can install in it. Would it hurt to do so?

[sudden creek]

Should I trim the TG PTM sheets to the size of my CPU die or my AIO's cold plate?

[sudden creek]

Before I attach the AIO coldplate to the CPU's IHS, is applying the TG PTM pad like this alright?

[meager elbow]

Normally you would apply it to the die rather than the cold plate

Die or IHS

[sudden creek]

That's what I thought originally but a reviewer for this recommended putting on the cold plate instead so I figured I would give it a try in hopes that it will draw the heat and disperse it across the cold plate better.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's not how that works. You'll just end up with a bigger mess later, like if you added too much paste.

[dull flint]

And a massive amount of wasted ptm

[silent plaza]

Im trying to move my i5-9400f over to my other pc, what better performing 9th gen chip should i get for gaming? I have a z390 board but an SE-214-XT plus (2 fans) air cooler so that might limit better performance

Only reason I'm staying on 9th gen or LGA1151 is because i just need another CPU for a media/game server build and I have no interest in upgrading the motherboard as well

[burnt spear]

Do you already have two lga1151 boards?

If not why not just buy a new cpu and mobo together, whether for the main build or the server build

Unless you want more cpu perf for your main rig and just don't feel like taking the motherboard out

[grizzled bloom]

Even the 9900K isn't that much better than the 9400F

I'd rather sell the lot and get a used 12th gen system, even the 12100 beats the 9900K

[silent plaza]

Yeah

[silent plaza]

I guess this isnt a bad option

How much would a z390 go for these days anyway

The one I have isn't particularly high-end, its just a z390-p prime from asus

[grizzled bloom]

$60 or so on ebay

Not including shipping

[silent plaza]

Better than nothing

[grizzled bloom]

That's enough to get a cheap used B660 board

[silent plaza]

Any specific suggestions there

I remember steering clear from the DS3H boards before, not sure if that's changed these days

[grizzled bloom]

I think that's mostly because it's DDR4 but that won't matter for your use case

[silent plaza]

I see

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126188606953

That'll be fine for up to a 12400

[silent plaza]

Good ol green pcb

[grizzled bloom]

The OEM special

[silent plaza]

How is the 12400f still $111

Wow

[grizzled bloom]

Still cheaper than a 9900k

Which is $145

[silent plaza]

That part is true

I suppose this really is the way to go, I've got $50 in gift cards to blow on Amazon anyway

[grizzled bloom]

If that's the case I'd get a new board off amazon and a used cpu

[silent plaza]

For warranty?

[grizzled bloom]

Less chance of broken pins, dead memory channels, etc

[sudden creek]

Welp to late now haha. I can always go over it with a tissue and alcohol wipe later.

[sudden creek]

This as well.

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mtd2Fg

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NZPD6WD?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
plus
https://www.ebay.com/itm/405455192305

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L3cdMV

[silent plaza]

I'm not made of money 😂

[grizzled bloom]

This is just for a "cheap as possible" home game server upgrade, ddr5 is a bit overkill lol

[burnt spear]

I thought this was two cpu/mobos needed

[silent plaza]

I'll take a look at this, I've had older versions of that board before and it was great

[burnt spear]

And was just an example, wasn't sure what the budget range was

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah the pro rs has been a solid recommendation for a while now

[silent plaza]

Alright, so after selling my z390-p board for ~$60 and using my $50 in gift cards on amazon, I'd be paying about ~$100-110 to upgrade to 12th gen

Thanks for suggesting this route, otherwise I would have blown that $100 on a 9th gen CPU instead

[grizzled bloom]

And you can keep using whatever DDR4 you might have

Oh you could save another $10 and get the used board from amazon warehouse

Ooh B760 is the same price as B660 I just noticed https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-B760M-RS-D4-Motherboard-dp-B0BQWR37J4/dp/B0BQWR37J4/ref=dp_ob_title_ce?th=1

[silent plaza]

Whats the improvement over the b660?

[grizzled bloom]

2.5G LAN

[silent plaza]

I won't be able to take advantage of that but why not I guess

[grizzled bloom]

Oh and one of the USB ports changes into a C port

[silent plaza]

Better for future proofing i suppose since everything is C now

Alright gonna pull the trigger on this, thanks again for your help

[lyric turret]

yo fal

@grizzled bloom

So my cpu is def cooked LOL

[dull flint]

What benchmark is that

If that's time spy extreme that looks normal for a 9800X3D

In fact

If that's time spy extreme that looks like a normal 9800X3D and an underwhelming 4080/Super

[lyric turret]

Yea its time spy extreme e

So a underwhelming 4080 super is bad then lol

I don’t got it OC

What do I do to fix

[lyric turret]

What can I do to fix it?

[dull flint]

DDU

If that doesn't work, genuinely don't know what it is because you should be higher

DDU fixes too many things that it's the go to for nvidia problems

Which again, won't know what it is if that doesn't work

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom, @dull flint I keep getting the error in the image whenever I try launching Ryzen Master. I have tried reinstalling the program.

[grizzled bloom]

Kindly reinstall

It got corrupted or something

Or a sensor bugged out again

[sudden creek]

I tried reinstalling and then went and reinstalled the installer again.

Try 1 more time or?

[grizzled bloom]

Nah you don't need ryzen master

[sudden creek]

hmm alright. I would like to know if there is another way I can see my CO values in windows tough?

though*

[grizzled bloom]

Not that I know of but it doesn't really matter

[dull flint]

Just don't reinstall it

It wastes cpu usage so it'll interfere with proper stability anyway

Use a notepad or excel sheet instead

[grizzled bloom]

I did excel ye

[sudden creek]

I will probably do that.

Unfortunately -33 co just failed so I am gonna try -20.

[lyric turret]

i am on a tweaked windows not sure if that helps

[dull flint]

No that doesn't mean anything as long as you have the standard nvidia driver package

[lyric turret]

ight ill try ddu

[rapid thunder]

So I just discovered that my case for a build I’m working on only had six stand off screws included even though my MOBO has eight mounting points. I can’t find spares with the case or MOBO.

Is using just the six around the outer edges sufficient or should I track down more stand off screws?

Also does anyone know what these paper rings are for? I’ve never seen these with a case before and the documentation doesn’t mention them.

[meager elbow]

Check the case to see if there's any preinstalled/permanently installed
Many cases nowadays have a post that is always there, and might already have posts for matx or smth installed

If there isn't, 6 would be fine

The paper things are like paper washers though I'm also unsure what its intended use case is, maybe between the screws and the motherboard, but honestly you could probably skip those

MOBO standoffs come with the case and not the motherboard

[rapid thunder]

As far as I can tell it’s only the six stand offs which were pre-installed in the case.

Also did micro ATX get bigger in the last decade? This board seems bigger than I remember them being.

[meager elbow]

Standards in dimensions hasn't changed in several decades

Only new standards for power

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe you're thinking of ITX?

[grizzled bloom]

If you complain to the case manufacturer that you didn't get enough standoffs they should send you more for free. Until you get them, using the 6 you have should be enough to get it running.
The paper circles are washers to prevent damage to the motherboard from the screws. They're technically optional.

[hearty juniper]

9950X3D is the best CPU for gaming now?

[grizzled bloom]

Wait for independent testing. Also AMD never said that. They said it was best for people that do both gaming and content creation.

They ran the comparisons against the 7950X3D, which was worse for gaming than the 7800X3D due to the dual CCD latency issues causing stutter/reduced 1% lows.

[dull flint]

It should run more or less the same to the 9800X3D

Meaning it's basically identical due to improvements over time, but slightly better as the vcache driver for windows will try and keep only games on the right cores

So because it likely clocks a little better, and likely has a little less effect of overhead

The same +1% maybe

[grizzled bloom]

"Try" being an operative word there. Some games that use DX12 (fortnite) try to use all available cores, bypassing whatever OS/driver/program level restrictions.

[dull flint]

Yes

You can't fix anti cheat ruining everything

Try indeed

[grizzled bloom]

At least the good news is you should still be able to disable the second CCD when it's not in use from the bios to fix that

[dull flint]

I believe there's a toggle for that now yeah

Less the full disable

[grizzled bloom]

There's always been one in bios

[dull flint]

No I mean like

You remember intel's "game mode"

Lol

[grizzled bloom]

Oh you mean from ryzen master or something

[dull flint]

There's the physical disable but also one of those kind of options yeah

I remember seeing it last in bios

[grizzled bloom]

In bios there's a setting to ignore the driver and always prefer the X3D, so it parks the other CCD most of the time

And the reverse option too

It's been a while since I updated RM, let me see if anything has changed

Maybe it was the "legacy compatibility mode" toggle in RM you were thinking of? That should disable the CCD if I understand it right.

Oh the "game mode" profile seems to want to only use one CCD as well

It enables that legacy toggle by default

[dull flint]

Ye I remember it called like game mode in bios

And it's like a full ccd disable

I can't check rn, that pc is in pieces atm (rearranging fans)

[potent dew]

Are the BT modules on a mobo replaceable? Or are they soldered on or not the standard little card?

I have a B650 Aorus Gaming AX V1, not even actually sure where to look to find it if it is removable

[dull flint]

It's integrated into the wifi card, usually

Which is, usually, replaceable

[potent dew]

I have a few from laptops that I doubt are great lol, but if it's replaceable it might be worth doing

Can't tell if it's Windows or the card, but I randomly get "static" at certain frequencies on my earbuds, turning BT off and on fixes it for a while and sometimes until the next day

[dull flint]

Only needs to be wifi 5 to be reasonable these days

[potent dew]

And using both will sometimes fix it too

Actually it's completely fine on my laptop now that I think about it

So yeah, almost definitely the card

Any chance a B450 board that didn't come with WiFi and BT has a slot for one that isn't PCIe?

[potent dew]

Wait mb

B650 Aorus Elite AX V1

Ah well that's going to be fun

It's under the heatsink that covers the I/O, MOSFETs, and VRMs

Wait maybe it is Gaming AX

Yeah it is lol

Love the new confusing naming semantics Gigabyte

[meager elbow]

New?

[dull flint]

Often boards have specific slots for wifi/bt

It'll have one slot or more that has multiple key compatibility

[potent dew]

I mean it just uses to be Aorus Elite

Now they have Aorus Gamin A AX

Aorus Elite AX

[grizzled bloom]

You can use a M.2 slot

[fair dune]

I'm upgrading my current AM5 build. I have a single G.Skill Flare X5 16GB stick of RAM. I have a second one and want to know if it's okay to have two separate individual sticks that didn't come in a set so I can get to 32GB.

[potent dew]

It should be fine if the timings are the same, which they aren't, but you could underclock the faster stick

Also, differing providers for the actual chip could be problematic

[dull flint]

Normally that's an issue, not here

It's 5H16A

He just needs a matching stick of that which isn't super difficult

[potent dew]

Hynix chip?

Oh yeah

[dull flint]

Actually I take it back

Flare x5 apparently doesn't exist in single stick

Lol

[potent dew]

No it doesn't

Crap I forgot Techpowerup writes random articles

[dull flint]

Only 1 sku from g.skill

Ok well this still works out

[potent dew]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/g-skill-flare-x5-ddr5-6000-cl32-amd-2x-16-gb/3.html#:~:text=SKILL uses Samsung and SK,deploys SK Hynix M-Die.

[dull flint]

@fair dune buy a new 32gb kit, sell that stick with the title "HYNIX A DIE DDR5"

It'll sell for a good price

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4cCCmG/patriot-viper-venom-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-pvv532g600c30k

[potent dew]

This is the kit the second stick is from

[dull flint]

Oh you have two sticks

Oh I thought it was the same one

Ok

[potent dew]

Yeah, he has two sticks both from different kits

[dull flint]

Those are both hynix but different dies

They can mix

But you can't do 2 things if you overclock:

• low trfc
• high frequency

The rest is more or less the same

So they'll mix, they'll both do 6000 cl32 no issues

[potent dew]

Just don't try to use them with one clocked at CL30 and one at 32

[dull flint]

Ye pick one or the other

If you do CL30 run 1.4v instead of the default 1.35v on the sticker

[fair dune]

Thanks for the advice guys.

The single stick came from Microcenter and as far as I can tell they're the only ones that sell single stick. I purchased the second stick from Microcenter again so that I could get to 32GB.

The reason I have any single sticks at all is because one came in a bundle and the other was separate.

[potent dew]

[fair dune]

Or should I do the safest thing and just get a set with two sticks?

[dull flint]

Tbh

Given how similar those sticks are

As long as you keep things simple it should have no issues

But that's the proviso

If you were mixing like, hynix and samsung, or micron, yeah I wouldn't

But given it's just 6000MT/s and CL32/30

Very basic numbers for both and they're otherwise very similar

They'll both do 6000 CL30 and do it at similar timings as long as the above is obeyed

Same with CL32

Cl30 vs cl32 does basically nothing btw

Performance difference is practically 0

[fair dune]

I see

[dull flint]

I would be tempted to run it personally, especially if you spent overall very little

It's probably the best case scenario for the fabled "mixing ram" that everyone says not to do

Cos they're so similar they're practically the same almost

[fair dune]

Is this just a case of Microcenter wanting to milk more money out of me?

[dull flint]

No

How much did you pay for both sticks

Rough number

If you're not sure, list the whole bundle and prices and I'll know

[fair dune]

For one about 50 when it was still on sale

[dull flint]

And the other?

[fair dune]

It was from a black friday bundle

Came with an Asus mobo, single RAM stick, and Ryzen 5 7600X

around $300

[dull flint]

No this is way better

You're net some $70 and you got two of the best ram dies possible, albeit not matching

It's not worth fretting over, I'd try using both together

Choose the 6000CL32 xmp and ball with it

[fair dune]

What's my worst case scenario?

[dull flint]

Worst case scenario I hear from you in a week that all games crash which is highly unlikely, microcenter will help you exchange anyway

Best case scenario I never hear about it again which is very likely

Possible chance that in a year or two you may have a windows issue if at all

I'd try it honestly

[fair dune]

Okay, I'll give it a shot.

[dull flint]

Hynix M and Hynix A are extremely similar

Try the 6000CL32 profile first

A is more likely to run with M better

And M has the 6000CL32 XMP

So this is somewhat straightforward

To check it's set up correctly, download cpu-z, check the memory and spd tab

And check memory stick #1 and #2

They're separated

But if they read the same xmp then it worked no problem

They'll both end up saying 6000 CL32 (or 3000 CL32)

[fair dune]

And just as a refresher they go in slots A1 and B1, right?

[dull flint]

A2 B2

For best compatibility, the 6000 CL32 one in B2

6000 CL30 in A2

[fair dune]

Okay, I'm working on it as we speak. I'm on my laptop as I'm doing this.

This has been stressing me out all last week.

[dull flint]

It'll be over pretty quickly methinks lol

[golden pike]

hey guys been a while

https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-extreme-model/

does anyone know if there is an AM5 equivelant of this board?

[potent dew]

Why's that? Never heard of this before.

[grizzled bloom]

That's the slot that'll determine which xmp profile loads, so if you're mixing sticks you want the slower one there

[potent dew]

There isn't, Crosshair is the high end line and is only made for the higher end chipset

Wait my bad, I thought you said B650 equivalent

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/MXjBD3,kR2WGX,Wjwypg,Jzqrxr/

[potent dew]

Yes, there's at least a Crosshair X870E

[golden pike]

Oh wtf

I thought those were intel

[golden pike]

Legend

[golden pike]

8 or 6?

[grizzled bloom]

Both

[golden pike]

Is one better than the other good sir

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on what features you're looking for

[golden pike]

Looking for top of the line for am5 but i havent upgraded since 5950x/crosshair extreme

Gonna have to get new everything 😭

Worried about less m.2 support since i use like 4 of them on my extreme

[grizzled bloom]

Ok so that rules out the mATX model

The X870E has wifi 7 and an additional header for usb C

[golden pike]

Oh nice

The extene i have has like

Extra dimm slots or something

That comes with an adapter for two extra m.2

Super clutch will be needing that

[grizzled bloom]

Oh the DIMM.2

[golden pike]

Hopefully they didnt do away with that feature

Is great

[grizzled bloom]

It's not really needed these days, the X870E model has 5x full size M.2 slots

[golden pike]

Holeeeeew

WOW

well alright then

[golden pike]

Ty as always legend

[grizzled bloom]

Keep in mind that some of the slots share bandwidth. Specifically the PCIe slots and the second and third M.2.

Most of the time having the slot run at x8 won't affect your GPU at all, as long as it's a PCIe 4.0 (or higher) generation

[dull flint]

If you ask me I'd probably opt for like an X670E pro rs instead

[golden pike]

Oh why?

[dull flint]

Much cheaper but also really extreme io including ssds

Cpu performance and ram performance unaffected whatsoever

Pro rs takes 5 iirc

One of the few that do

[golden pike]

I see hmm hmmmm

Research szn

[dull flint]

But you also don't spend $700+ for it, and get basically the same experience

My two cents anyway

I see motherboards as like cpu rotisseries now

[golden pike]

Also how much worse is the 3d chips for rendering

[dull flint]

The 9000 ones are like for like

The 7000 ones are a little worse

Like not noticeable

[golden pike]

Bc the 3ds werent a thing when i got my 5950x

[dull flint]

But genuinely there if you looked

Ye

The newer 9000 ones use flipped vcache so they can run the same clocks as vanilla

So there's no actual loss

Since the temperatures are very similar with the same clocks

[golden pike]

For like video editing/rendering a

[dull flint]

Ye

[golden pike]

I heard its much worse? Is that cap?

[dull flint]

Only for 7000/5000 X3D

9000 X3D is like for like

[golden pike]

But i hear the performance is great so i kinda want to try a 3d chip but i run vid prod company which is why i want the sssd and performance

[dull flint]

They run the same clocks, same temps, same power

[golden pike]

Oh wow

Thats wonderful to know thank you

[dull flint]

Tbh if you go 9000 I would go X3D but the price needs to make sense

[dull flint]

Interesting so you really want multicore more than anything

Do you work a lot in real time on the pc

[golden pike]

Whenever i do work yes but realistically what i do mostly now is

Running a lot of demanding tabs

And videogames

Lol

[dull flint]

How cluey are you with pc

Do you use windows or linux

[golden pike]

Im a nerd for sure

I just been out of the loop for a couple years

Since 5950x , 4090, crosshair extreme ive been set

And my build is hella custom and complicated so i dread rebuilding

Im not nearly as knowledgeable as you guys tho

[dull flint]

If you're not adverse to using something like process lasso I'd encourage the 9950X/9950X3D

[golden pike]

Like @grizzled bloom

[dull flint]

Otherwise I genuinely think you could consider a 285K, if the other two are unavailable

[golden pike]

Its either the 9950x or the 3d- so if 3d is legit only better then will absolutely yeet my wallet that way

[dull flint]

3D will be better

I guarantee it

I use a 9800X3D

And I had a 7950X3D

[grizzled bloom]

Ok all I see is someone pinging me and then felix recommending a 285K, wtf is going on

[dull flint]

Workstation rendering platform

He wants nT

And quick sync also compounds here

It's gaming but also, those things are valid cases for a 285K/14900K

It's also like one of the only cases lmao

But yeah I don't see a 9950X going out of stock so that's an unlikely future

[grizzled bloom]

As long as it's not more gaming than work yeah that should be ok

[dull flint]

9950X3D makes sense to me, with a good budget x class board

Then you come to us to learn process lasso

Your current cooling should work with the 9950X3D like it did with the 5950X no problem

[golden pike]

Yeah - but i do game , and frankly, adobe is cheeks as multi core usage to this day, so ever never actually needed more than 16 , the single core performance is what’s been making a huge difference

So 9950x3d sounds super exciting

[grizzled bloom]

Most of the time you don't even need process lasso these days, as long as you have the chipset drivers installed and game bar updated to handle thread assignment

[dull flint]

I would highly encourage you to check out davinci resolve if you haven't before

[golden pike]

Yes i use on occasion

Filmmaking standard for grading

[dull flint]

It's getting a lot better imo

That said

[golden pike]

It is

[dull flint]

If you use all of adobe suite

Then adobe is solid

[golden pike]

Adobe is great but they are doing a lot of things to get on my nerves

Xfavc files (mxf) got completely rekt with compatibility last year still dont think its fixed lol - all video i take is that format

Wild

But yea premiere, ps, ae, illustrator all essential

At least theyve gotten better at utilization of hardware

[grizzled bloom]

Like using all of your data to train AI by default unless you opt out?

Including any projects you make

[golden pike]

Precisely

Yep

[golden pike]

I had to let an adobe associate remote my pc bro

To fix this

All he had to say was “install this version instead”

😭😭😭

Crazy times

[dull flint]

They're currently under the DoJ's radar for recent business practices so with any luck they'll be slapped soon

And I agree

If you can live without adobe I would tbh

Their suite isn't worth half a grand a year

In business terms maybe but not individually

[golden pike]

Yeah its sadly irreplaceable

Like i love the software its amazing just has serious problems

Lol

[dull flint]

Glad I moved on from it lol

[golden pike]

Well done soldier

Enjoy the land of black magic

They will always be the goat

You guys familar with gskil trident z royal elites?

[dull flint]

I am, don't get them

They're just basic ram in nice aesthetics

[golden pike]

I have them ddr4 they are sweet 😭

But i dont think they make them ddr5 right

[dull flint]

I have a kit too, they're worth a lot lol

[golden pike]

Yeah mine was way too much

[dull flint]

They make royals but still hilariously expensive for no benefit other than looks

[golden pike]

Like way too much lolol

[dull flint]

You can get top tier ddr5 for $80 or less

[golden pike]

$80 wtf

What gb

[dull flint]

Let alone the what $140? For basic royals

32gb

[golden pike]

Oh wait. I just remember

[dull flint]

Warning btw

Don't use more than 96gb

[golden pike]

The reason i didnt upgrade was bc the cpu’s couldnt run 128

[dull flint]

Always use 2 sticks where possible

[golden pike]

And i was waiting for that

[dull flint]

Yeah they still can't

[golden pike]

Fuuuuuuuu

Its been year

Years

[dull flint]

It's a physical limit

[golden pike]

Nooooar

But the speed is so much greater it should sorta make up for it no?

[dull flint]

You can try 128gb but you're lucky to get 4800mhz

[golden pike]

96gb is a thing?

[dull flint]

In work yes, gaming no

Ye

2x48gb

[golden pike]

Wow 48gb sticks

Never heard of that one

Very cool

[dull flint]

Yeah, that's as high as you can go for reasonable ram speed

[golden pike]

Whats the “high end” speed these days without overclocking cou?

Cpu

[dull flint]

For amd

Just get any kit with CL32 or less

6000MHz preferred

[golden pike]

Sheesh 6000

[dull flint]

96GB should run about there just fine

Might need adjusting

But should do it

[golden pike]

What happens when you shove two lore 48gbs

More*

Explosion

[dull flint]

Pc no start

[golden pike]

Lol

I rmr i got 4000 ddr4

And had to sell it cuz it didnt run

Poor 5950x

The latency still high on this new ram but it matters less now right for some reason

[golden pike]

I was bothering @grizzled bloom about this problem years ago for days 🥰😭

This guy prob doesnt rmr me but he’s helped me on dozens of occasions

[dull flint]

Yes 4000 won't run at 128gb no matter what lmao

[golden pike]

Eternally grateful for all of you in this discord

Js

[dull flint]

3600 runs on 64 with effort

[grizzled bloom]

It's technically and theoretically possible to run 192GB (4x48GB) but in reality that's not going to happen without some generous luck, the right parts, and a lot of tweaking

[dull flint]

[dull flint]

It might boot at 3600mhz

Lmao

It's basically a ridiculous concept

[grizzled bloom]

Probably 4400 at least, but yeah it's slower than DDR4 at that point

[golden pike]

Yeah i think

Less ram should be fine

36gb less with way higher speed

But idk i be leaving hella stuff open

I definitely use the system to its max potential , thats for sure, was worth the kidneys i sold for it.

[dull flint]

Here's a suggestion

Take the old hardware and convert to a second rig you can upload to to render

Then you can be more budget friendly on the main

Depends if you don't mind the power increase but, that'll be hundreds of dollars saved

Maybe even 4 figures

[distant gulch]

Felix multitasking channels rn

[golden pike]

Wild skills

[distant gulch]

I could never

[golden pike]

Honestly

This is a good idea

I would have to sell my 4090 super cheap if i were to sell it

[dull flint]

I can help you map out switches and such

[dull flint]

Keep it imo

[golden pike]

Yall would be disappointed in me

I melted that mf

[dull flint]

I would suggest also a kvm for dual system

[dull flint]

Oh no, is it fixed

[golden pike]

With the cablemod 90 degree adapter

No i just dremeled out the melted plastic

Dremmel (?) the spinny tool

[dull flint]

Oh god the adapter

[grizzled bloom]

Cablemod replaces damaged 4090s as part of the recall

[dull flint]

Ah you lucked out

[golden pike]

You see i

Ignored the recall for like 9 months HAHAHA

I was like ah it didnt melt for over a year

Theres no way it melts randomly

(It melted randomly)

What is that smell????

I thought i was playing a 4d game or something!

[golden pike]

Thats good on them tbh

Huge recall for then

Them

Feelsbad

My gpu works fine tho just had to shove the connector back in

[dull flint]

Btw tozo

Their 90 degree cables, not the adapter

Much better

[golden pike]

Rip bro

[golden pike]

Oh snap

I did get custom cables from them too

[dull flint]

Oh wow you really got lucky

[golden pike]

I did

I noticed it super fast

But it took hours of careful touches

[dull flint]

HAHA

I do the same crap

I momentarily reach over to check with my fingers

XD

"No burnt fingers? Ok we roll"

[golden pike]

Shame tho cuz it looked great this way

[dull flint]

I just redid my dan a3

Might send a pic in a bit

It barely fits LOL

[golden pike]

With is dan a3?

[golden pike]

Lolololol

My rig prob can cook eggs

[dull flint]

Google lian li dan a3

That's my new box

[golden pike]

Ohhhhh shooooooooooot ive never seen this one

Yo this is clean

[dull flint]

I'm using the wood one

[golden pike]

Inwas just gonna say wood pc case goes so hard never seen that before

[dull flint]

I'll send a pic in a bit, I finally got the cables done well, there's nearly no where to stash cables

[golden pike]

Yessss

Ping me when you send it pls i would love to see the new setup

This case is sweet

Psu goes in back i assume?

[dull flint]

It's a bit of a better use of space

It goes at the end of the gpu

I really like it, made a lot more room on my desk and you can really fit anything in there as long as you don't compromise

[golden pike]

dope bro

Can you fit an aio cpu AND gpu in that one?

😭

[dull flint]

Ye

It's snug af but it do fit

[golden pike]

Its clear from this i love strix but now i gotta get an astral 🥺

[golden pike]

Is that what ur running?!

[dull flint]

Ye

I had to redo the cable work 4 times but I finally made it fit perfectly

[golden pike]

So dope dude

What card you running?

[dull flint]

4090

@golden pike

Originally planned on the cable over the gpu but the management didn't favour that

I might still fix that but it was a very snug fit

Like

There's literally no play in it lmao

Temps work well enough but I had to keep rearranging it cos the space it sits was recirculating heat so it was getting a bit warm

I also considered a triple rad loop (Honestly would fit better) but I wanted to go off water for a while

I have the parts for it still

[golden pike]

Suprim card surpim build bro

Looks insane nicely designed

[dull flint]

Thx, I kinda wanna fix the gpu cable tho

[golden pike]

What temps is the cpu going?

[dull flint]

I have to sit down and like thinking man pose for 15 minutes to work out where the cables go

[dull flint]

I cap out about 88C at 160W

But it's 9800X3D

[golden pike]

For sure

My 5950x is like 72-86

[dull flint]

7950X3D pulls the same power and caps at 73C on the same cooler

[golden pike]

Playing games

Things hot

Lol

[dull flint]

It's cos the 9800 is throwing all that power into 8 cores lol

Instead of 16

[golden pike]

Right right

[dull flint]

It's a hot boi

[golden pike]

Loving it?

Runs nice?

[burnt spear]

you would cry to see my friends build we just did

[dull flint]

I mean everything runs fine

[burnt spear]

it's... not pretty

[golden pike]

Also - do u think the performance of the liquid cooled gpus is a but jump

[burnt spear]

no

it's 1-3%

[dull flint]

I think my greater issue is I still have lots of stuff on windows from running the 7950X3D that I no longer need

[dull flint]

It depends on the circumstances

[golden pike]

Feel ya. I usually build computers in an hour, but i literally spent a whole week building the one i posted above.

[dull flint]

In really small cases, yes, liquid is good

[golden pike]

Cuz all custon rgb lol

[dull flint]

Normally no

[grizzled bloom]

I had a liquid cooled 3090... it was the worst 3090 in existence

[golden pike]

Love that for me

[dull flint]

Fal is also an exception to the rule

[golden pike]

Lol

[dull flint]

Buying one of the worst aio cards in history

[golden pike]

I was an astral

[dull flint]

Lol

[golden pike]

I want*

But im wondering the performance difference between 5090 strix and astral

Lets see ig

Strix will look better

[dull flint]

You'll fit an astral in a dan but you need an sff psu

Oops

Psu

[golden pike]

Sff??

Old psu’s wont work?

[golden pike]

Bruh

LOL

[grizzled bloom]

GPU was so bad it was 65th out of 57

[dull flint]

Size lad

The dan is smol

5090's are 30mm longer on average

And you saw my psu

[golden pike]

Ggs dude

These things phat

[golden pike]

I got hella space to the right

[dull flint]

You could technically do 9950X3D on a good 240mm, use a higher mount for the psu

Then the gpu fits

The 9950X3D would be a bit toasty tho

[dull flint]

Ye my old o11 evo was where it used to live

[grizzled bloom]

Oh and the backplate got super hot so I had to put a massive heatsink on it, and it still overheated the memory

[golden pike]

awesome builds

yall optimal

haha

[sudden creek]

9950x3D is out???

[dull flint]

No

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay. I was wondering how I would've missed that.

[golden pike]

SOOOON

Q1 I belieeeeeve is all we know

[sudden creek]

I am quite interested in how well the 9950x3D can overclock.

[dull flint]

5.6+

*If you know what you're doing

[sudden creek]

Hmm that sounds quite appealing.

[dull flint]

You're not the demographic for that kind of upgrade

Zen 4 x3d to zen 5 x3d is barely a generational leap

It's almost a sidegrade

[sudden creek]

Fair.

I don't plan on upgrading my CPU till I upgrade my GPU.

Plan is to work myself to the bone this month and get the 5090 around release.

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen 6GHz on AIO for the 9800X3D

It has to be better than that

[dull flint]

Would you recommend 6 to strangers

[grizzled bloom]

With guidance yes, but working the way up there 100MHz at a time

Staying at a reasonable voltage ofc

[burnt spear]

Wtf is this lmao
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/TvVfrH/msi-pro-b840-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b840-p-wifi

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.msi.com/news/detail/MSI-Unveils-AMD-Ryzen--B850---B840-Motherboards--Where-Absolute-Innovation-Meet-145195

Looks like B840 is the new A620

No CPU overclocking

[sudden creek]

We can change the voltage on 9000x3D?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah buddy

Full overclocking

No more 1.1V cap

[sudden creek]

Awesome!

I might look into 9950x3D sooner than I imagined

[thin snow]

Hello

im getting problem in my laptop

i changed my 8gb ddr4 2400mhz ram to 16gb ddr4 3200mhz ram

And it was supported

My laptop is Hp pavilion 🙂 with amd Radeon 5 5300h

And 1650 graphic card

[thin snow]

And now whenever I'm booting windows

Im stucked in loading screen

i tried to reinstall windows

[meager elbow]

First time boot after changing ram config may take a little while longer to boot

[thin snow]

i tried to reinstall brother

it's just stucked at the loading screen

[meager elbow]

How long did you wait on the loading screen

[thin snow]

30 min?

[meager elbow]

Oh, then that wouldn't be ram training

[thin snow]

I checked in shop

it was running tho?

in 2 shops actually

idk what is the problem with this laptop

[meager elbow]

So it has worked after the upgrade but randomly stopped working ?

[thin snow]

Also when i installed , it took hardware reserve as 10gb????

[burnt spear]

is this a laptop or desktop

[thin snow]

laptop mate

[burnt spear]

thought so

hmm

[thin snow]

Why I can't send picture

[burnt spear]

its possible the cpu just can't handle 3200mhz, or the ram could be faulty

[thin snow]

nah nah

it was working

ij the shop

checked with cpu z aswell

[burnt spear]

thats very weird

[thin snow]

lemme send you my laptop model

Hp 15-ec0104AX

https://youtu.be/KiGS8BYCd5k?si=XNOw9m50yuOx22E8

see having the same laptop?

[thin snow]

anyone can help?

[grizzled bloom]

Looks like that laptop only officially supports up to 2666 according to the service manual

Which CPU-Z tab did you look at? Because the SPD tab will show what the memory is capable of, not what it's running at

[dull flint]

@golden pike

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperors-new-groove-its-all-coming-together-gif-12813012

[thin snow]

If I put ddr4 3200 mhz it will bring to ddr4 2666 right

But the thing is

I even tried ddr4 2666mhz ram and that didn't even worked

[grizzled bloom]

That section of the manual also says that if you use 2666 memory it reduces it to 2400

[thin snow]

yeah

First trie during dual channel 8*8 2400mhx ram

it didn't workees

Next 3200mhz ram

Worked

But it consumed 10gb hardware reserved

Now , tried 2666mhz ram

Didn't worked

Only the caps lock is blinking

3200mhz ram was working

[grizzled bloom]

You might have a bad memory slot

[thin snow]

But now it's not even working anyone

[thin snow]

then how 8gb of ram was working

[grizzled bloom]

That "hardware reserved" is a hint at a memory issue

[thin snow]

yeah when I was using 8gb ddr4 it confused upto 2gb hardware reserved

[grizzled bloom]

That much is normal, it allocates some for the graphics

[thin snow]

but when I first purchased the laptop,I didn't face any of these

[thin snow]

true that , but when increased to 16gigs of ram 10gb hardware reserve????

Is the laptop not even upgradable

[grizzled bloom]

That means one stick is malfunctioning for some reason, and with multiple kits I'd say the slot or the memory channel itself is bad

[thin snow]

I switched to another memory slot

It was working

i tried it single

But now

My laptop won't even boot anymore

Just blinking the caps lock key

[grizzled bloom]

You probably need to clear the cmos at a minimum

[thin snow]

did

even the local technician that I purchased ram from

[grizzled bloom]

What pattern is the caps lock blinking

[thin snow]

one blink , then stop , multiple blinks then stop then one by one

laptop ain't booting anymore

I even opened up , cleared it

[grizzled bloom]

Red or white light on caps lock

[thin snow]

White light mate

I can't record video xD

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, when you say multiple blinks, how many is that

5, 6?

[thin snow]

didn't count that

lemme send u a video of that in dm

[grizzled bloom]

sure

@thin snow 5 long blinks and 3 short blinks indicates that the system failed to initialize a hardware component, likely the memory in your case. The cause of this could be one of the things I've said: the memory isn't seated properly, the slot is bad, the memory controller is bad, or the motherboard.

Perhaps there was some dust in the slot when you put the new memory in and it short circuited, it's hard to know exactly what the cause is.

[dull flint]

@golden pike ok now I'm done I think

Lol

One of the fan cables untucked itself it's tucked away now lmao

[thin snow]

I cleaned it tho , what should I do now?

[thin snow]

But it was working yesterday?
I just started the laptop again tomorrow

(today)

[sudden creek]

Awesome job on the build!!!

What are the specs?

Is that the Z20 case you kept recommending to me?

[dull flint]

Thx.
Dan A3 wood
9800X3D
4090 suprim

[golden pike]

yoooooooo FIRE BUILD

You gotta show me a pic when the case is setup

Looks dope dude

Power

POWER

[sly moth]

Question: is AMD Ryzen 9 7900x for $399 worth it? Whatever CPU i get, will be mainly for gaming. (Maybe other things as well)

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-definitely-not-gif-10506241

If you can get a 7800X3D around that price that would be about 25% better at gaming

If you get a dual CCD chip like the 7900 series you'll get more headaches and less fps

Even the 7700X beats the 7900X in gaming because of aforementioned CCD issues

[sly moth]

Ok, cool. Thank you for that info. How can a person tell if it is dual chip? I was looking and i guess i missed it?? Thank you again

[grizzled bloom]

Ryzen 9

That's all of them

Ryzen 5 and 7 are the ones for gamers

The 9 series is for either professional work or a combination of workloads

[sly moth]

Ahh, ok. Gotcha. Thank you.

[sudden creek]

I myself have a 7950x3D. I love it however it takes some tweaking. In a lot of games you will want to use something like Process Lasso to tell it "Starting now you will only ever use cores X, X, and X."

[grizzled bloom]

^An example of someone doing a combination of workloads

[sudden creek]

If you are just gaming, just avoid the headaches and go with Fal's advise.

[sudden creek]

If those other things include any form of CAD or other workload that benefits from Multi-core performance you will have to weigh in if it's worth it for you.

[sly moth]

Only other thing i would use it for would be streaming. Or watching streams at least. So, based off all that, i will be on the lookout for 7800x3d.

[sudden creek]

Yeah get a 7800x3D or 9800x3D

Both will be more than enough for that..

For ram look into a 6000 or 6400mhz kit. anything faster you are unlikely to be able to use.

[grizzled bloom]

Generally speaking if you're not being paid for that work or you're not doing it frequently to where the time savings stack up, the Ryzen 9 doesn't make sense.

[sly moth]

Cool. Thank you all for the info. Basically playing games and watching some streams as i do. Sounds like the 7800x3d/9800x3d will be plenty good.

[grizzled bloom]

9800X3D is better than the 7800X3D by 10-15% typically, but also costs more.

[sudden creek]

Also overclockable by a good margin if you learn how to do it right and have the right cooling equipment

@grizzled bloom I have a question for you if you got a moment.

[grizzled bloom]

Sure I've got a few

[sudden creek]

Lately I've hit my max ram capacity of 64GB and I have been considering getting a 2x48GB kit in the future. How hard are those to run?

[grizzled bloom]

The same as 2x32

More or less

[sudden creek]

So it'

So it isn't like jumping from 2x32 to 4x32

[grizzled bloom]

Nope

[sudden creek]

gotcha.

[grizzled bloom]

It's the same number of physical RAM dies

They're just more dense

[sudden creek]

If I do decide to get it, what IC should I get? As you probably have figured out I enjoy tuning the computer.

[grizzled bloom]

Some CPUs and boards might not like it but generally they're the same as 2x32

All of the 24Gb dies are great for overclocking

[sudden creek]

I am on a MSI X670-P, think it will work?

[grizzled bloom]

On par with Hynix M or better iirc

Seby got a g.skill stick to run at over 11,000

[sudden creek]

HOLY