cpus-mobo-and-memory

[wind karma]

Yeah figured. I already had the system running with a 5600x, installed a 5700x3d and it was working but not quite as it should, so I updated bios

[grizzled bloom]

Have you tried another M.2 slot? Also still try without the sata drives just in case

[wind karma]

Only 1 slot on the board. I'll crack er open and reseat the nvme drive + unplug the sata ones

[wind karma]

Okayyy so I did this ^ and it did boot straight to windows but it was making like a whining sound

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm. What's whining, if you can tell

A fan maybe? That would be normal after an update since it resets your fan profiles

[wind karma]

Not sure, sounded more like coil whine than fan noise. I turned it off but I'll boot again and try to listen for where it's coming from

It's much much quieter

Pretty high pitched

Ok well that was weird but windows boots now

With the data drives plugged in as well

Thx for the help

[grizzled bloom]

Guess the bios just needed to recognize the drives individually or something

Weird but it works

[wind karma]

Yayyy cpu is no longer stuck at 3.399ghz

[fair dune]

Could someone recommend an upgrade from my current mobo? I'm planing to stay in AM4

I currently have a Asus TUF Gaming B550M.

[meager elbow]

why would you need to upgrade a b550m

to another am4 board

there's literally no point

if you're gonna upgrade your mobo, then you should be going to am5

[grizzled bloom]

Upgrading your motherboard will get you exactly zero fps increase unless your current one is just broken

[meager elbow]

in that case you'd get a infinite % performance increase

[fair dune]

It is broken. Whenever I boot up I get the light for a motherboard error. I've tried everything and all signs point to damage with the main PCIe 4.0 x16 slot.

[grizzled bloom]

I assume that means you've tried using the bottom slot already

To test with

[fair dune]

Yes I have.

[fair dune]

I guess what I'm asking is what's a good replacement for my old one

[meager elbow]

The cheapest board that supports your needs

Sort by cheapest

[dull flint]

I would sell your old cpu

Doesn't matter what it is

Buy a new cpu and motherboard

Since the bottom of the barrel 7500F is some $120 and offers a near 5700X3D experience then investing in a new motherboard anyway, you can knock that part of the budget out

Then you just need an $80 kit of DDR5

Pretty easy changeover

You should be net, some 170 usd before you factor in the money you get back for the old parts

Unless you have something like a 5950X already and 128gb DDR4 then it's kinda worth the uptick

[fair dune]

Thanks for the advice!

[olive drift]

9800x3d and a B650 mobo
Or
9800x3d and a X870 mobo?

[burnt spear]

B650m hdv, b650m pro rs, b650 eagle ax, or b650e riptide wifi

Riptide i think is oos right now though

[tender sleet]

There is still some here and there but harder to find

It's a really good board tho

S-tier value

[grizzled bloom]

Make sure the B650 has flashback and it's just as good for gaming as a $1000 X870E board

[dusty cipher]

Built in wifi 7 is nice on the x870 boards if you need it

[grizzled bloom]

Or spend $20 on a wifi 7 card if you really want that and save $100

[burnt spear]

Or spend that $100 on whatever you need to do to get ethernet set up

[woeful zinc]

all these are tray type cpus, i have a decent budget cooler, forgot the name but you guys know it, i plan on boosting them

i play games casually and i'm a video editor, not so much on vfx but yeah

Current build is:
R5 2400g
RX 6600xt
Fury beast 2x16gb 3200mhz
MSI B450m pro max II
MSI MAG A650w psu

so which cpu should I get for my mobo and current build??

[dull flint]

5600

Or if you can find 5500

That

Used 3600 also works

All pretty similar overall

[woeful zinc]

I was thinking r5 5600/x variants
or r7 5700x

[dull flint]

X is pointless

It's just a letter

They perform the same when using the same bios settings

Like 1% difference at best

[woeful zinc]

yeahh i thought so as well

will it be worth to get a ryzen 7 though? considering editor blah blah

[dull flint]

Looking at the prices, 5700x doesn't look too bad, just don't use pbo

[woeful zinc]

please enlighten me

[dull flint]

The board iirc is not a strong one

Over 65w is sketch

Although 70 for a 5600 is not bad

[woeful zinc]

defo not yeah

[dull flint]

I think that's the best there but used/new 3600/5500 might be a lot cheaper

Either of those for like, 58-ish, better pick

[woeful zinc]

sure let me find those locally

[dull flint]

I'm about to sleep man

Lol

I wish you luck though

[woeful zinc]

yeah nah the spreadsheet is the best i can do

regardless thanks for reassuring on the non x variant, might just get that

can prolly take 5 bucks off it too if i ask the seller

[dull flint]

Np

[wise adder]

which is better a 14900 or 14900kf?

[meager elbow]

Technically the 14900kf, but if this is a new build, you should probably get a 9800x3d for gaming on the high end

[glacial comet]

Any tips for looking into motherboards under $300 for a first time build?

[burnt spear]

I wouldnt set a budget for each specific part, id set a budget for the whole pc and start from there

How much do you want to spend and what country are you ordering in?

[glacial comet]

You're not wrong, kinda restarting on what I did have set before. Maybe $1500, not too sure. Can be flexible if need be. In the US

[burnt spear]

Mind if I ask a few questions and get a general idea for you?

[glacial comet]

Yeah

[burnt spear]

Do you need wifi, or do you have ethernet?

Any aesthetic or size preference?

What's the pc being used for?

Do you need a monitor? If not, what monitor do you have?

Prob some I'm forgetting but that'll be enough

Oh, do you have a microcenter nearby by chance?

Side note, if you want an nvidia gpu id order one of these rn
https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-d40810q-10p-o
https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-d40710j-10p-o

Very good prices and stock won't last

Oh the 4080 is alr oos

[glacial comet]

I do have 2 microcenters far from me

[burnt spear]

If you'd rather not make the trip you don't need to

$1500 is plenty to work with, mc just has some good bundles

Specifically the $400 7600x3d mobo and ram bundle

[glacial comet]

From what I've heard they are helpful

[burnt spear]

How far is it if you don't mind me asking?

[glacial comet]

I don't understan that though

[burnt spear]

What don't you understand?

[burnt spear]

This?

[glacial comet]

Yeah

[burnt spear]

Oh, it's a cpu motherboard and ram bundle for $400 at microcenter

But again if you don't feel like driving that far it's not necessary, just an option

[glacial comet]

7600x3d like the type of cpu, memory?

[burnt spear]

Thats a cpu

It's a 7600x with extra l3 cache, which means it's about 15% better in games

Motherboard is a b650 tuf wifi, and the ram is a g.skill 6000mhz cl32 kit

Here, take a look at this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xXnbXR

Ssd is free with the cpu on newegg atm

[glacial comet]

Oh it was for amd

[burnt spear]

Could also consider this

[burnt spear]

You can swap to that 4070 ti open box for $550

But id order it right now, they go out of stock fast

[burnt spear]

.

[dull flint]

Yet another strike to the "I'm never touching Corsair ram" train

[cyan raft]

Nah that's amazing, always wanted some self delidding ram

[glacial comet]

yo @dull flint I awaited too long again and now you there no more https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HcWJ7P/msi-spatium-m482-eco-pack-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-m482-nvme-m2-2tb-bulk

got any other suggestions?

[meager elbow]

why did you wait

💀

[glacial comet]

idk

I should've just boght em I know

[dull flint]

Gotta go but trust
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2VJgXL/teamgroup-mp44l-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpk002t0c101

[glacial comet]

All I can do is trust ya, know more than I do, and thanks for always being helpfull

[burnt spear]

Felix is def worth trusting, he's one of the most knowledgeable people in the server

And i also agree with 98% of his suggestions for what it's worth

[grizzled bloom]

Opinions are backed by facts and numbers usually too, which I can respect

[dull flint]

Guys I'm blushing

[meager elbow]

i just consult the source of i made it the hell up

did you know that the shell of walnuts are almost as dense as titanium

that is why walnut shells are used as an abrasive

[ivory plinth]

I’m considering getting that, just not super enthused about an Asus board

[shadow blade]

Im looking to upgrade my current cpu (i3-9100f), and i wanted to see if there's any second hand deals anyone knows about that i could get, or even good deals on brand new cpus. I'm not looking to go too overboard. Mostly just do games like apex, ow, and other comptetive types with occasional isngle player games. Feels like my current one's outdated so looking for new options

[grizzled bloom]

12400 is a solid upgrade for you. You can technically reuse your current DDR4 with it too but if you want to leave an upgrade option for yourself later I'd recommend getting a DDR5 setup.

[shadow blade]

alright then i'll take a look thanks!

[dull flint]

Usually 12400f + ASRock b660m pro rs ddr4 is cheap af

Or if you want to drop into ddr5, 12600KF + b760m PG riptide wifi is a solid step up from that

13600KF/14600KF (Or K) would bring you up to par with current gen as well

Best prices for all that is amazon

Or Newegg for 12400f

[burnt spear]

7500f off ali express at $130 and b650m hdv at $100 is nice, or 7600 at $180. 13600kf is a bit better, but you could drop a 9800x3d into the b650 down the line

which is what 25% better than the 13600kf in games?

[grizzled bloom]

It's time for the beatdown of the year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKb8syfv5cc

[dull flint]

285K is 14900K minus 2.85%

Wait

2 8 5

Man 25% boost with 9800X3D

Dark days for Intel

[grizzled bloom]

Most of the games where there was little difference between them were due to either an engine limit or GPU bottleneck, so you can effectively say it's always better as long as there's no additional factors like those.

Side note, finding games that bottleneck the 4090 at 1080p is wild

[dull flint]

Don't have to look very hard

[grizzled bloom]

Just the fact that it's a thing that can happen is crazy to me

[dull flint]

I've been saying it for a while now

[distant gulch]

Dark days for intel, i believe a brighter future if intel tries to fight back

Otherwise its a dark future for the cpu market

[sudden creek]

Anything interesting lately about CPUs?

[distant gulch]

Intel is kinda bummed out rn on their cpus and is releasing a supposed great gpu lineup

[rapid thunder]

@distant gulch

I'm also interested in a Ryzen series X3D CPU, but I'm not sure which to get and prices at various retailers seem all over the place.

I have seen the Ryzen 7 7800X3D in the $470 range from a couple different retailers.

AMD is directly selling the Ryzen 9 7900X3D for about $490.

I'm not sure to what extent the 9 has superior performance to the 7, and my primary use case is video games, but for only $20 more if there's a substantial difference I am tempted. Thoughts?

[distant gulch]

save yourself and hold onto your money right now, a lot of scalping and horrible pricing is happening rn until the scalpers get bored of their playthings

the 7900x3d actually performs worse in games

the higher core count doesnt help and the cooling is just more difficult, great for productivity and software that benefits from more cores versus core perf

and 9000 series only really matters at the top for perf, 9600x for example is about the same perf as 7600x

[rapid thunder]

Oh. Good to know.

[distant gulch]

X3D does make a difference but it really isnt worth the money it costs rn

[rapid thunder]

MSRP for the 7 7800X3D was around $450 I believe (I can't seem to find it on the AMD website), and like you alluded to before I am a little concerned about U.S. tariffs that may be adopted in January.

A $20 bump for acquisition security is something I may be willing to eat.

[distant gulch]

id grab a 7700/x for 250 WAY before i grabbed a 7800X3D personally, that money is better spent on a larger gpu

in 1080 perf (the only place it even matters) its not even that big of a jump for 7800X3D to 7600 in games

and in 1440p or especially 4k cpu upgrades for games is minimal

and you def shouldnt be playing 1080p on a 7900xt

[rapid thunder]

I only play 1080p/60FPS right now, but a monitor upgrade is another thing I am planning in the future. I'm basically looking to do a full system rebuild first then get a new monitor to take advantage of it.

[distant gulch]

actually

1440p miniled

[burnt spear]

id highly suggest the 7600 for you then

[distant gulch]

great value for about 200 rn

would do so much more for your experience

a good monitor means way more

[rapid thunder]

GPU or CPU?

[distant gulch]

cpu

def not gpu lol

[burnt spear]

are you ordering aynthing soon

or just planning

[rapid thunder]

Only ordered my case so far. May order that 7900XT soon as Balou said $632 is a great deal and the prices are unlikely to drop much further in the near future.

[burnt spear]

that's a good choice. make sure the gpu fits

[distant gulch]

pcpartpicker my beloved

[rapid thunder]

Part of why I am erring on the side of X3D is because I want to future proof the system. I prefer to space out upgrades. My current rig was built in 2021 and features a Ryzen 7 3700X and RTX 2070 Super.

[distant gulch]

future proofing is in my opinion just stupid

dont worry about that

[burnt spear]

with a 7600, you can just drop an x3d cpu in down the line

[distant gulch]

just get whats worth the money now

[burnt spear]

x3d is too expensive atm to be anywhere near worth it

[rapid thunder]

Do you expect current gen X3D will drop substantially in the next two years?

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hfrFGJ

that mobo doesnt have wifi

[burnt spear]

yes

[distant gulch]

i guarantee you will never need to worry about that in your cpus lifespan

7600 will do way more than enough for gaming for a minute

overspending on your cpu is an easy mistake to make

[rapid thunder]

Do Ryzen 7 chips have an edge in emulation versus Ryzen 5?

I do also emulate.

Some emulators rely more on CPU than GPU

[distant gulch]

most id recommend is the 7700 but i wouldnt recommend it for emulation purely no

plus i doubt most emulation games will even get to the point the cpu matters

[burnt spear]

wait do you have a microcenter nearby?

i forgot to ask

[distant gulch]

^

[rapid thunder]

Negative.

[distant gulch]

youre overthinking the cpu

[rapid thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ThelVadam4321/saved/YDsWrH

This is the current draft build, but may adopt your CPU suggestions.

[distant gulch]

if you really want to get more bang for your buck just grab a 7700 and a 7900xtx

but id recommend saving that 200 on the xtx and grab a monitor

[burnt spear]

id do the plat psu in my list, and the ram too

corsair ram is not an issue you wanna deal with

[distant gulch]

corsair ram is rough lmao

[rapid thunder]

So 7700 and 7900xt and put the surplus toward the monitor upgrade?

[distant gulch]

absolutely

7700 is still 8 core

and you def dont want 12 core for gaming

[burnt spear]

yeah ill grab some options

[rapid thunder]

Is that a Ryzen 7 or 5?

[distant gulch]

i forget where that one miniled

[burnt spear]

7

[distant gulch]

7 but those numbers mean close to nothing

[rapid thunder]

What about 7700 vs 7700x?

[distant gulch]

its the 7700 part that matters

[distant gulch]

only recommend x if you care about overclocking

but id stick to 7700 for savings

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CQVp8Q

[distant gulch]

also why a noctua cooler?

[rapid thunder]

The extra clock speed from the factory doesn't do much?

[burnt spear]

three monitor choices

[distant gulch]

not really

[burnt spear]

also please don't spend $150 on an air cooler

[rapid thunder]

Noise.

[burnt spear]

a thermalright phantom spirit is identical

[distant gulch]

what i was fixing to ask

[distant gulch]

150 is not worth noise LMAO 30 bucks on a thermalright will do the same

plus your other parts will probably even out the noise regardless

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lr6HBq

[sudden creek]

Don't get the 7900x3D for gaming.

[distant gulch]

really great build

[distant gulch]

lol dw already clarified that

[rapid thunder]

Standby, I'm going through the parts lists.

What's wrong with Corsair memory or PSUs?

[distant gulch]

psus are fine

[burnt spear]

their psus are fine just expensive atm

the ram they have quality control issues with

[distant gulch]

yup a lot of corsair ram from what i understand come DOA

[sudden creek]

Unless you do anything that can actually benefit from extra cores I wouldn't deal with pain of the 7900x3D/7950x3D.

[distant gulch]

theyre just gamin

[sudden creek]

Ahh just read through the chat.

[distant gulch]

np

[sudden creek]

Take it from me lmfao.

[distant gulch]

loll

[sudden creek]

I know the pain of the dual CCD.

[rapid thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ThelVadam4321/saved/YDsWrH

Here's the adjusted parts list.

[sudden creek]

Great if you know how to properly set it up for each app but otherwise it can get annoying at times.

[distant gulch]

only place id benefit from more cores is premiere pro, blender surprisingly isnt really affected by it

stronger single cores get overlooked

[rapid thunder]

Unless you all vouch strongly for the Super Flower, I lean towards the Corsair PSU from experience.

[distant gulch]

dont worry about brands

[burnt spear]

it's an A tier and has a plat rating

it's slgihtly better than rme

[distant gulch]

most tech brands will have crappy products and good ones

just get the individual products that are good

id just grab the flower

[rapid thunder]

Alright. Super Flower it is then.

[burnt spear]

corsair actually uses superflower for their psus

RME is prob a superflower OEM

[distant gulch]

didnt know that

neato

[sudden creek]

I use my system for Blender, Video Editing/Recording in Premiere, and Gaming. Not as much anymore but I used to allocate 4 of my FREQ cores to run Ark and Minecraft servers.

[burnt spear]

i remember there being something about the kingspec xg7000, @dull flint do you know abt it?

[rapid thunder]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-pg32ucdp-32-uhd-dual-mode-4k-240hz-fhd-480hz-rog-swift-woled/p/N82E16824281314

[distant gulch]

7700 will do great for video editing, honestly the only reason i wish i grabbed a 7700 instead of a 7600x

[rapid thunder]

This is a monitor I was considering, but I may opt for one of your suggestions as they were much cheaper.

Main reason I was considering this one is because I'm a bit of a framerate junkie.

[distant gulch]

wouldnt recommend 4k

[rapid thunder]

I will prioritize frames above resolution typically.

I think you have to run this one below 4k to get the full refresh rate.

[distant gulch]

did bacca link the miniled?

there was one going for 180 last i checked dunno if that ones still going

[rapid thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CQVp8Q

This is what he shared

[distant gulch]

id recommend the acer nitro

great HDR

miniled so has great contrast

[rapid thunder]

Now I'm trying to decide how many dollars higher refresh rates are worth to me.

[distant gulch]

anything above 120 doesnt really matter

[burnt spear]

the OLED isn't just higher refresh rate

[distant gulch]

oled has great response

but i dont think itd recommend it over the mini led

[burnt spear]

just overall much smoother and faster

[distant gulch]

i want an oled but the miniled is just a million times better value lol

plus burn in exists

[dull flint]

Normal one is alright, pro is op

[distant gulch]

the benefit of the OLED is perfect blacks and amazing visuals

mini led has very good blacks too tho

its hard to describe the differences honestly

versus seeing it in person

[rapid thunder]

I'm playing on a 1080p/60hrz BENQ LCD right now so virtually anything is an upgrade.

[rapid thunder]

I used to hear that about 60 FPS too.

What're the pros and cons of mini LED versus OLED?

Are they even that different? I presume both are LED based technology

[distant gulch]

technically thats true that the human eye cant see past about 60 fps, but 60fps feels chuggier by comparison (not bad by any means tho)

[distant gulch]

actually mini is LCD, its a VA panel

which is why they dont have perfect blacks

oled is its own technology

oled indivdually turns on and off LEDS

mini LED still has a backlight

[rapid thunder]

Oh. I assumed all LEDs inidividually powered the pixels since LED is a light emitting diode. I figured only non-light emitting pixels required a backlight.

[distant gulch]

OLED suffers from burn-in after years of use due to how intensive the energy output is on the individual LEDS, if burn in didnt exist theyd have literally no weaknesses except for maybe price

[rapid thunder]

I flat out don't believe that. I very much can see the difference. The human eye doesn't really have a framerate based on what research I did on the matter years ago. We also forget the human brain is a vastly more powerful processing device than any piece of silicon we've yet made. It's less about the eye itself and more about the brain.

[distant gulch]

that was my point, technically you cant see past 60fps but you absolutely will notice the difference between a 60fps 120fps and 240fps display

[rapid thunder]

So you'd recommend the Acer Nitro? I have never seen mini-LED.

[distant gulch]

its very worth it, trust me

plus it doesnt suffer burn in

[rapid thunder]

It's a much better price proposition than the OLEDs I was looking at including the really high refresh rate one.

[distant gulch]

for the price its almost impossible to contend for 1440p gaming imo

[rapid thunder]

But I also tend to keep my monitor far longer than any other part of my rig.

So no burn-in is a plus

Does anyone make a mini-LED that goes higher in refresh rate?

[distant gulch]

keeping your monitor on is fine, youd just need to do power cycling, the real issue would be having for example google open for 8 hours straight on the same tabs

and this only really matters after years of use

[distant gulch]

like i said earlier past 120-180 isnt really worth the money

also 240hz miniled is almost impossible to find

170 is MORE than enough

[rapid thunder]

I'm surprised fish screen savers haven't made a come back

[distant gulch]

screensavers are def a thing for oled

its recommended to use them

[rapid thunder]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalrlght-Phantom-TL-C12B-Technilogy-Bearing/dp/B0D38N4CH3/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3AFI9DSOW835Z&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.C4EACzEmSbO2dKNMHaRtOjPD-gkevGxnVVqcihCge4VckdXSbz5L1oblJe0qOjeSB7WxVQ0wq5Sk-DPbwWtl1iua-gtiXHSaHn6GZGdnmkChjEb2axkLdwJhqKQnYf_DhJzC9dBwHw9uLZGRNT42huMerKKoFpdXC10G7dRNL1izccNPoSeOyfJeMaJtw1ttRpRoXZw12mdPkvyYq3ZnEYaeyTfOPFFbwprVlVV5dxM.P7Vy7MYfdxG5EukrK7HtnGCTosgrmGY0NrHTAZisFQk&dib_tag=se&keywords=Thermalright+Phantom+Spirit+120+SE&qid=1733424032&sprefix=%2Caps%2C760&sr=8-1

Is this the correct cooler?

The Part Picker link for it dropped the actual retail link

[distant gulch]

yup

i have a thermalright myself, its hard to recommend anything else right now

[rapid thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ThelVadam4321/saved/YDsWrH

Alright, I think this is the finalized build.

[distant gulch]

either its a good price and sucks or for noctuas case great perf but stupid price

i would unironically trade my build for that lol

[rapid thunder]

I take it your thermals are excellent with the Thermalright?

[distant gulch]

id prioritize getting the gpu under your belt first with gpu prices being the way they are

[rapid thunder]

Right

[distant gulch]

my cpu under max load has never went over 75c

95 is the safe maximum

[rapid thunder]

What're your opinions on getting 120mm Noctuas for case fans?

[distant gulch]

dont worry about noctua 😭

i love the way they look but they arent worth it

lemme find a good thermalright for your case size

[rapid thunder]

The noise reduction and airflow isn't meaningfully different than common-or-garden Cooler Master fans?

[distant gulch]

not really no

cooler master is fine too

[rapid thunder]

I was probably going to use more 120mm fans unless going bigger had some benefit I wasn't aware of.

[distant gulch]

i use 120mm

if your case can support larger sizes itd be better yeah

but that depends on your case

[rapid thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TXCwrH/phanteks-enthoo-pro-atx-full-tower-case-ph-es614pc_bk

It was one of the only cases I could find with optical drive bays (yes, I still use those), USB-C, and an option for no glass panels.

[distant gulch]

hm weird cooling design for sure but phanteks is great

looks like you can do 140mm

does it come with fans?

oop

[rapid thunder]

One 200mm and one 140mm apparently.

[distant gulch]

just read that

id probs stick with the base fans for now

[rapid thunder]

Might get a couple more 140s to add to it

[distant gulch]

yeah id change out the 200mm for 140s

[rapid thunder]

Two 140s over one 200?

[distant gulch]

yurp

would offer better cooling

id actually do that and put the 200mm fan on the top as an exhaust

any extra fans could be intakes on the bottom as well, but that depends on gpu clearance

[rapid thunder]

I usually do front intake and rear/top exhaust configurations.

[distant gulch]

thats good

[rapid thunder]

I think my current build has 2 intake and 3 exhaust

[distant gulch]

its actually better to have more intakes for natural airflow

[rapid thunder]

Which probably means it sucks in more dust

[distant gulch]

yup

[rapid thunder]

Honestly, I threw the last fan in there because I had nowhere else to put it and didn't want to lose or break it.

[distant gulch]

fair enough

it doesnt hurt it technically

id honestly probably just recycle those fans tbh

what size are they?

140mm isnt too big of a diff between 120mm

[rapid thunder]

Current build has five 120mm fans.

[distant gulch]

yeah just use those lmao

[rapid thunder]

But I do intend to repurpose it in some way. I don't plan to get rid of all the hardware.

[distant gulch]

ah i see

[rapid thunder]

Hence wanting new fans for the new rig

[distant gulch]

then id just buy some more 140mm

[rapid thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ThelVadam4321/saved/YDsWrH

Alright then, that's the final build.

Thank you very much for your help.

This has been most enlightening.

This server is genuinely the best place I've found for build advice.

[distant gulch]

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-P14-Value-Pack-Pressure-optimised/dp/B07HCKWF2X

[distant gulch]

its the only computer server i talk on, the people here are insane lol

[rapid thunder]

Nevermind, I'm taking THOSE fans instead.

[distant gulch]

where ive learned a lot of my computer knowledge

[rapid thunder]

More fans for less money

[distant gulch]

yeah those things are beasts

[burnt spear]

Back when I joined this server end of 2020 I barely knew what a GPU was

[distant gulch]

Now bacca is one of the most reliable people on here

Felix is my goat too

[burnt spear]

This server is super educational and friendly most of the time. Most of the people that taught me a lot of what I knew and were active in these help channels when I first joined are gone or not very active anymore

Pato is one of our mods, and he taught me a lot of what I know about making lists like these, felix more recently

[rapid thunder]

I believe it was you Bacca who assisted me with designing a build for my sister. The parts for that one are in the mail right now (Black Friday purchases)

[burnt spear]

Nice!

I do it a lot so it's hard to remember usernames lol

[distant gulch]

Ive only been on this server for a year now

I will say tho im still not crazy over newegg lol

Theyve done some stuff im not super fond of

[burnt spear]

I don't feel very strongly about newegg as a company one way or the other

They've definitely made some business decisions I'm not a fan of

Like their refurb/open box issues a while back

[distant gulch]

Thats what i like about this server tho, there isnt really any bias

Just plain good tech advice

[burnt spear]

The people I was talking about are a big reason for that

Pato, rawr, Escanor, sips (orange mushroom,) fal, felix, foxy, plenty of others helped to foster a friendly environment

[distant gulch]

Foxy fal and felix are the most active out of those from what ive seen

And bacca ofc

[burnt spear]

Wdym I'm never here

[distant gulch]

Never

(Looks at tech deals)

[burnt spear]

(I'm chronically online please help)

[sudden creek]

70-100% speed running nearly 24/7 these should last about 2-3 years before you need to replace them due to worn out bearings.

[meager elbow]

i dont really think anyone here is lmfao

i have never met anyone that went "i must buy everything from newegg because i love newegg" 💀

[sudden creek]

Hahaha that will be a memorable one when we see it.

[meager elbow]

lmao

[distant gulch]

I wanna grab some myself lol

Just to test them

[sudden creek]

Solid fans. Nothing exceptional nothing to complain about either.

@distant gulch

[delicate iris]

Was wondering what Zen3 Ryzen processor you all would recommend for pairing with a 7900xt gpu that costs under 300 dollars. Having really bad issues with system hitching with my old R9 3900XT and thought maybe a newer CPU might fix it.

[burnt spear]

5700x3d for sure

Assuming you're mainly gaming anyways

[distant gulch]

Is anyone even buying any 9000 gen cpus besides 9800X3D and what not?

I dont see anyone getting 9600 or 9700

[rapid thunder]

@distant gulch I just realized that Acer monitor you recommended has a 2 m/s response time. My current monitor has a 1 m/s response time. Does that 1 m/s difference present as noticeable ghosting or other artifacts?

[distant gulch]

You would need to be an alien to notice it

Most systems have a lot more delay than that just excluding the monitor alltogether

You dont realize how small a millisecond is lol

Can you count to a thousand in one second?

Thats the only time itd matter

[rapid thunder]

Fair enough.

[rapid thunder]

With DDR5 memory, is mega transfers per second synonymous with megahertz per second?

[distant gulch]

They go hand in hand, but no

If something says its 3200mhz its probably 3200 mt/s (aka mb/s) but technically 3200 mega transfers a second is 1600 mhz

Mhz is just the clock speed

Actually i believe thats what the ddr stands for, double something something

Forgot the exact acronym tho

[rapid thunder]

Double data rate.

I think.

[distant gulch]

i assume you looked that up lol, but yeah

speaking of, google is a great resources for these types of questions, dont just look at one source tho

[meager elbow]

dance dance revolution

[rapid thunder]

Actually no.

[meager elbow]

do you got some of that dance dance revolution in your pc

[rapid thunder]

But now I might just to confirm if I'm right.

[distant gulch]

fr

[meager elbow]

also you are right

double data rate
dual inline memory module
registered dual inline memory module
uhhhh what else

[distant gulch]

grabs dictionary

[meager elbow]

lmao

[rapid thunder]

Well, I am second guessing this memory set and am considering paying a little more for something with higher MT/s and tighter timings hence my query.

I've purchased most of the rest of my build, but the cooler has had three different links or so expire from people buying them out before I get around to it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae

Or with DDR5 and current gen Ryzen are timings and speeds not as relevant to performance? I remember they were a number of years ago.

Eh, I might just buy this anyway. The reviews seem promising and it looks like some have had success tuning it up a little. I might be over thinking things again.

[distant gulch]

youre nitpicking the less important parts

[hollow thorn]

6000c30 is going to be good enough in general, it'll be hynix and good enough for OCing if you need it

[distant gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RedPanda560/saved/#view=cxYTrH

this is my build

[hollow thorn]

On average stable without tweaking on current gen Ryzen is around 6400 iirc

[distant gulch]

its literally the same ram kit

i can promise you ive had zero ram bottlenecks LMAO

[burnt spear]

There isnt really much better than this. What cpu are you using?

Oh thats alr answered mb

[rapid thunder]

I looked at a couple other sets and concluded that the above set was perfectly reasonable especially at its price point relative to others. And one reviewer claimed to have it stable at 6200 MT/s so I may even try that.

[distant gulch]

There really isnt much of a point overclocking ram at these specs imo

Thats just me tho

[rapid thunder]

Noted.

[burnt spear]

Any 5600+ cl32 or lower kit is gauranteed Hynix A or M die

Meaning any A die kit can do the same speed timings as eachother with some changes in bios

Same with M die

[rapid thunder]

I noticed your monitor in this list is not a mini-LED. How do you like it?

[distant gulch]

I wish i had a miniled instead, my parents have a miniled tv and it looks amazing

This one is still more than servicable tho

I bought it like a year ago, a bit before miniled became affordable

It was rough timing 🥹

[rapid thunder]

So IPS is basically just LCD and mini-LED is some sort of middle ground between LCD and OLED?

[distant gulch]

OLED is very seperate

Mini led is closer related to ips

But its a va panel

So thats what its closest related to

In terms of quality tho its closer to oled

Most of the benefits of oled, a lot less of the negatives of ips

[rapid thunder]

Huh. So a generally very positive trade off. You said earlier that until OLED comes down in price, mini-LED is generally the superior bang for buck choice right?

[distant gulch]

Absolutely

And thats if oled comes down in price even remotely anytime soon

And even then oled needs to solve burn in before its the no brainer option

[hollow jolt]

my oled screen is too dark

where to return

[distant gulch]

Yeah oled perfect blacks are just 🙏🙏

I have an oled screen on my phone

Boy do i wish it was on my monitor

[rapid thunder]

I also wish I had a decent CRT as an additional monitor. Like optical drives I just think they're neat.

[distant gulch]

If that floats your boat

[rapid thunder]

Have yet to track one down yet.

[distant gulch]

Ive seen some nice retro builds with like a hybrid mix

[rapid thunder]

I largely want it to play older games on for the nostalgic feeling, but I think it might be neat to play the odd modern game on it if I could get the aspect ratios to work.

[distant gulch]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CCP6HLZR?th=1&psc=1

I want this board so badly

Thats the only retro thing i really want on my desk

[rapid thunder]

Is it a famicom inspired keyboard or is it a reproduction of some older keyboard?

[distant gulch]

Famicon inspired

Newer parts

Perfect mix for my liking

[rapid thunder]

I can appreciate that.

[wise adder]

i just got some 4x16gb 6400 ram and threw it in my pc. this is my first time changing ram and im not sure what to do. ive looked online but im a bit confused with what it should be running at. it says in task manager its running at 3200 mt/s and my bios is saying 4000 mhz. did i do something wrong

[burnt spear]

Ddr5 does not like 4 sticks of ram

[wise adder]

oh

[burnt spear]

Take two out and make sure you enabled expo in bios

[wise adder]

expo?

and why doesn’t it like it

[burnt spear]

Most mobos require you to use the second and fourth slot for the ram

It's just too hard on the cpu/mobo to run at high speeds

[wise adder]

what if i throw more money at my pc and get a 14900kf

[burnt spear]

No

[wise adder]

oh

[burnt spear]

Not how ram works

[wise adder]

new mobo?

[burnt spear]

New ram

But if you're gaming 64gb is unnecessary

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rDdG3C/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp064gxlwu60afde

[wise adder]

i do video work

and game

[burnt spear]

Expo is the name for it on amd, It's XMP on intel

[wise adder]

ah

[burnt spear]

It's enabling the ram to run at its rated speed in bios

[wise adder]

i see

[burnt spear]

What mobo and cpu do you have?

[wise adder]

some z690 and i5-12600k

im upgrading cpu soon tho

to 14900kf

[burnt spear]

I wouldnt

Well

That depends

[wise adder]

why no

[burnt spear]

If your video editing is intense enough it might make sense

But you want an IGPU for that

Video editing loves intels igpu for quick sync

[wise adder]

i always just throw it at my 3080

[burnt spear]

Quick sync is faster

[wise adder]

ive never tried using integrated graphics

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BmWJ7P/intel-core-i7-14700k-34-ghz-20-core-processor-bx8071514700k

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZLjRsY/intel-core-i9-14900k-32-ghz-24-core-processor-bx8071514900k

[wise adder]

ty

but whats the highest i can run my ram at?\

or what should i run it at

[burnt spear]

Sorry stepped away

First off, make sure you update bios

[wise adder]

ur good

how do i go about updating bios?

[burnt spear]

Intel cpus, specifically 13th/14th had an issue with z boards where they were pulling too much voltage and dying or damaging themselves

It's been fixed, but only with new bios

There will be a tutorial on your mobo manufacturers website

[wise adder]

bet

thank you for your help

[burnt spear]

You gotta do it before swapping cpu tho

You'll need new bios to support a new cpu anyways

If your current bios version is old enough, you might need to swap to an oldish version that's still newer and then update to the newest one (I'm very tired sorry for my bad wording)

[wise adder]

no no that makes sense

its been about 1.5 years since i updated it

[burnt spear]

Oh you should be fine

[wise adder]

okay good

[burnt spear]

That might even be new enough to support 14th gen

[wise adder]

how would i find out if it does?

[burnt spear]

Wait

No def update bios

The patch for voltage issue was released in August

And the final patch was i think October, so you'd def want to use a newer version

[wise adder]

so id be good with an october version?

[burnt spear]

Yeah, of this year

[wise adder]

okay

[dull flint]

2 ram sticks vs 4 ram sticks on DDR5 has a tremendous amount of better signal integrity so it's much more likely to run at the rated speed.

4 sticks on DDR5 will often end this way with unstable/slower ram. It's just a fact of life

[wise adder]

@burnt spear unlink ram voltage and add .2

[burnt spear]

The question is is it stable

If you have random issues and blue screens soon you know why

[wise adder]

we will see

[dull flint]

.2

Truly curious about that one but anyway

Lol

Hopefully it's not a hot die cos some cook over 1.4v on ddr5

Meaning you'd need a fan over the ram

@wise adder

[wise adder]

i’ve been monitoring and it’s staying under 100

so i think we’re chillin

[grizzled bloom]

60 on ram is like 100 on cpu

It gets unstable much faster than other components, especially if you're unlucky and got a sensitive die

[dull flint]

And ram will die a quiet death

[meager elbow]

quiet but you'll see signs

[grizzled bloom]

Large blue ones

[meager elbow]

just like a silent fart
quiet but deadly

[wise adder]

not yet. i’ve been playing minecraft with shaders and max render distance to see what it gets up to and it’s hanging around 100 +-2

using 22 gb

[dull flint]

At 100 is dodgy lmao

Ddr5 is rated for 95C

Too hot

Let alone overvolt that's just too hot

You must have m die

Or maybe s16b

You need to dial it back big time

[grizzled bloom]

I got M die and I don't let it go above 45

[dull flint]

Ya

But stability is relative

[grizzled bloom]

True enough

[dull flint]

I showed this to sips once

My b die ran at 80

He couldn't believe it

But I ran looser timings

Trfc loose let me go that high

[meager elbow]

that is hot

[dull flint]

@wise adder dial back that ram lad lmao

Better yet return 2 of the sticks if you don't do anything like 4K+ video rendering or server-based/modelling-based work

32gb should be enough and should run stock

This isn't a negotiation btw this is a warning ☠️

[wise adder]

does it help if that’s 100 f😃

[dull flint]

It does immensely

Use celsius or everything will think you're crazy

[wise adder]

oops

i’ll keep that in mind lmao

[grizzled bloom]

Computers run on celsius and start counting at zero, two important things lol

[wise adder]

i don’t think i would ever see something in my computer reach close to 70c unless i turned my fans off

[meager elbow]

lmfao yeah everybody uses celsius for computing

that's the one time everyone agrees on using one measurement

[dull flint]

Cos diagnosis would be hell if we didn't use one or the other

[meager elbow]

well, there's also electricity, which also is using volts universally

is there even a different measurement of electricity used for electricity

[dull flint]

No

Volts amps and ohms are universal

Farads as well

[meager elbow]

good

who knows what would happen on electrician forums if there were competing standards

[wise adder]

freedom units 🦅🦅🦅🔥🔥🔥🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[grizzled bloom]

Kelvin supremacy

Joules if you hate yourself

[wise adder]

.239 gram calories

electron volts 👁️👄👁️

[molten maple]

Can the MSI Pro B650M do bifurcation? I just bought a m.2 expansion card, and put 2 cards in, it's only seeing one. Not sure if this is something i turn on in the bios, or it turns on, by default.

[dull flint]

It cannot

[molten maple]

Well, crap. lol

[dull flint]

Bifurcation is reserved for the like

$550-$700+ motherboards of AM5

[molten maple]

Damn. Ok. So I pretty much need to figure out a different setup.

[dull flint]

I've combed the whole list, it's annoying but true

What you could do

Get an nvme enclosure

You can use them for pcie but they'll be 1x data rate likely

[meager elbow]

wish it was a more standard feature

[dull flint]

Or SATA which is equally sufficient

It won't be fast

It'll work though

[molten maple]

I got these to replace my last 2TB SATA drive. That way all I got is m.2,s and SSD drives.

[dull flint]

Understandable but yeah, suggesting low cost ideas here lol

Enclosures could address the issue

[meager elbow]

or if you for whatever reason have another pcie slot open, maybe you can get another pcie to m.2 adapter lmao

[molten maple]

Could you send a link to what you mean by enclosures?

[dull flint]

All kinds literally

[molten maple]

This thing as 2 PCI slots, lol.

[dull flint]

Pcie m.2 enclosure

[meager elbow]

oh it's only a matx board with 3 pcie slots and probably one that is blocked by the gpu lmao

[dull flint]

SATA m.2 enclosure

[meager elbow]

rip

[dull flint]

Usb-c m.2 enclosure

[molten maple]

Ah, external.

[dull flint]

Ye those can work too

If you have the plug in the back for it

[molten maple]

I am avoiding external as much as i can.

[dull flint]

Alr

[molten maple]

I think i'll just sacrifise one of my 512gb m.2's and put the other 2TB in its place.

[dull flint]

As far as actual suggestions there's not anything in particular I'd suggest as long as the pcie spec isn't terrible

I see

[molten maple]

Im not prepared to buy a $500+ mobo yet 😛

[meager elbow]

ah

[dull flint]

Maybe slip that 512gb into another system

You can also run network drives off normal PC's

[meager elbow]

make a NAS for storage rather than storing everything on your main system

[dull flint]

Like mini NAS

[molten maple]

I'll give it to a buddy that's been needing an m.2 for his boot drive.

[dull flint]

There you go

[meager elbow]

are they still on a hdd boot?

that would be horrible

💀

[molten maple]

yes

[meager elbow]

☠️

[dull flint]

Slip some faked up plans about attacking the government on there and see if he asks about it

[molten maple]

He just got new parts on black friday....and he just needs an SSD now to complete a functional upgrade.

[dull flint]

Nothing like the element of surprise in a good friendship

[meager elbow]

lmao

[molten maple]

lol

[meager elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/inquisition-monty-python-spanish-inquisition-walk-in-gif-17117394

[molten maple]

You laugh but this is something we would do regardless.

[dull flint]

Nothing like bonding over attacking the government then I suppose 😂😂

[molten maple]

i just gotta figure out why m.2 is which

Are m.2's plug and play?

[dull flint]

Uhhhh

I'm gonna say that's a risky one

They are labelled though

You should notice on the sticker

[molten maple]

yeah, but i dont remember whats what....

i think my boot drive is a 256gb so...that might make it easy

[dull flint]

I wouldn't recommend hot swapping m.2 around

[molten maple]

Not gunna. Lol

[dull flint]

You could do that with SATA data cables but I wouldn't do it with an m.2

Lol

[molten maple]

I've gotta take my gpu out to get to them anyway.

[dull flint]

Sadge

Job worth doing is worth doing well

[molten maple]

Out with this ancient 1080....

So random other question...is there any free software that will let me...ghost my C drive to another? I think I'd rather keep the 512gb as my C drive...

[dull flint]

Macrium reflect free edition

Specifically

Called cloning or imaging

[molten maple]

Hold up...I just removed a cover and found something...

[dull flint]

Is it the hidden temple

[molten maple]

Is that 2.... m.2 slots i see...

[dull flint]

☠️

Hey we found the 500gb!

💀

[molten maple]

Yeah...I think my 254gb c drive is an ssd

[dull flint]

So uh

Fun fact btw

That new slot

That's your fastest slot

That's wired directly to cpu lmao

[meager elbow]

i was going to mention that mobo had 2 m.2 slots before, but then i saw you say that you were going to give a drive to a friend... and i assumed that you were using both 💀

[molten maple]

I just removed the 500gb

It has 4 m.2

[meager elbow]

FOUR

ok i only looked at the image and saw 2, i guess there were 2 more in the back

lmao

[dull flint]

💀

[molten maple]

Right that's 4?

[dull flint]

2

[meager elbow]

oh

yeah that's 2

i thought you meant there were 2 more in the back lol

[dull flint]

2 m.2 2 pcie

Second pcie is either X1 or X4 wiring

[meager elbow]

it always feels weird to me to see motherboards without vga out

[molten maple]

Ok. So that means I've got a ssd as my c drive.

So I wana use this WD Black 500gb as my C drive...which means I need to image the pc ssd with that software you mentioned.

[meager elbow]

you could also use clonezilla my beloved

[molten maple]

Or wait...I have a 1tb m.2 laying around

Which should I use...as my new c drive

[meager elbow]

wd

[molten maple]

Crucial worse?

[meager elbow]

p1 specifically

[molten maple]

I think I pulled that from a laptop at work..

Which one do I need for the cloning?

I assume none..as thats just extra stuff

[meager elbow]

i think you only need the... cough first option

[molten maple]

oops

[meager elbow]

that is an acronym indeed lmao

[molten maple]

clone in progress....

Not gunna lie this software is kida nice.

wait..it cloned it and partitioned it...

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I think the default settings for the clone job are to copy all partitions and then extend the main data partition to fill any empty space, like when migrating to a larger drive.

[molten maple]

I redid it, this time told it to use all of it, and it worked perfect.

100% SATA drive free now....

[grizzled bloom]

That just means you have a spare sata drive to put your games on now

[molten maple]

i bought 2 2TB m.2 drives to replace my 1 2tb SATA drive

i should be set for a while!

[grizzled bloom]

I give it a few months lol

[molten maple]

im really picky with my games.

[grizzled bloom]

JK that's a good bit of space

[molten maple]

i've got a total of 6TB for videogames now.

[grizzled bloom]

You could start ripping DVDs and running a Plex server to fill that out

[molten maple]

yeah i rememeber doing that a long time ago

[fast moth]

why is marvel rivals using 100% of my cpu and also it has been constantly crashing for some reason when im playing

[wind karma]

getting any errors on crash?

[fast moth]

screen frozen, so i just usually just restarst the whole pc

[wind karma]

I had a crash like that last night actually. Not sure what caused it. But I played for 4 hours or so and only had the 1

[fast moth]

played 2 game only

have been getting crashes often and i never had a problem with my amd setup before

never going intel nvidia again, sticking to amd

[wind karma]

if you swapped brands make sure you get rid of the old drivers and install new ones

?ddu

[silk jungle]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[wind karma]

Not sure what the process is for cpus

Also I would not base your experience on certain hardware off of a single game that was just released

[fast moth]

yeah built a new pc

also now my refresh rate option is gone after i updated gpu

WTF

[wind karma]

fresh windows install and everything? if you copied over or moved an old ssd you will have the old drivers

[fast moth]

new ssd

everything new

[wind karma]

huh

any other games crashing or only rivals

[fast moth]

sometimes league as well but moslty the demanding ones

[wind karma]

other than drivers not sure what to say

[fast moth]

idk either

ill see if it crashes again

i downloaded new ones and updated everything

[burnt spear]

Question

How truly bad is a low end a320 with a 5600/x

My friend with a 3400g/5700xt was going to upgrade to am5, but budget issues

5600x is $85 at microcenter so we're either considering buying a used mobo, or reusing the a320

[grizzled bloom]

The only way it could be bad is if there's no heatsink on the VRM at all

[burnt spear]

Yeah...

One sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sL7v6h/gigabyte-ga-a320m-s2h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-a320m-s2h

Wait

Nvm

I forgot that doesn't even support 5000 series

[grizzled bloom]

Doesn't it? It says it does on the product page

[burnt spear]

Oh that's cool

[burnt spear]

Do you think it's worth saving the money on the mobo for a platform upgrade later, or worth getting something for $50 or so used?

[grizzled bloom]

CPU support list

[burnt spear]

Perfect

When i googled the other day it said it didn't support 5000 series, must've been an old source I looked at

[grizzled bloom]

As long as it's F55 updated it's good. There was a time where AMD refused to support 5000 on A320 but Asrock flipped a big middle finger at them and did it anyway and started a whole thing where AMD changed their minds

[grizzled bloom]

The 5600X will game about 15% better than the 3600X, which is still better than the 3400G, so it's a decent upgrade still

3400G is Zen+ iirc

Yeah it is

I went from a slightly better than that 2700 to a 5800X and saw a HUGE performance gain in CPU limited titles (mostly MMOs at the time)

[burnt spear]

Yeah 3400g is very dissapointing cpu wise

[burnt spear]

Probably a good idea to get a fan for the vrms?

I do have a dual tower cooler i can throw in there, so there's plenty of airflow by the cpu

[grizzled bloom]

It only uses 74W so I think it'll probably be fine, but if not you can get those stick on heatsinks for $2

[burnt spear]

Wait it might be this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dqcMnQ/gigabyte-ga-a320m-hd2-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-a320m-hd2

Bc iirc their build doesn't have an nvme slot

Ill ask them, one sec

[grizzled bloom]

Still supports 5600X as of BIOS 51g

[burnt spear]

Cool ty

If its the other one probably not a bad idea to get them an nvme

[burnt spear]

This work?
https://www.amazon.com/Easycargo-Heatsink-Cooling-Regulators-8-8mmx8-8mmx5mm/dp/B07GN969QM/ref=mp_s_a_1_8_sspa?

[grizzled bloom]

Reviews say they don't stick well

[burnt spear]

Ah alr

Ty

[sudden creek]

So I wanted to check my system latency and I noticed, at some point it spiked to 470ms that seems very high. During gaming when I was playing Fortnite I felt frequent stutters. I noticed that Fortnite was using all of my cores on both CCD0 and CCD1 and refuses to let me set it to use only CCD1 (X3D) using Process Lasso

[grizzled bloom]

You can always disable the non X3D CCD

Turn it into a 7800X3D temporarily

[dull flint]

Anti-cheat sucks for 79X0X3D

So yeah, the answer is what Fal said

It won't let you assign cores

So you need to turn them off

Which means btw making a separate profile for the second CCD off from scratch in bios

[grizzled bloom]

Not necessarily, you can save the current profile 1, edit it, and save the edit as profile 2

Unless you're running at the edge of stability on the memory that shouldn't be a problem

[dull flint]

I tried this on my board, didn't work

Maybe it's different for others then ig

[grizzled bloom]

Guess it's a YMMV thing, it works on mine

[dull flint]

Yeah

Stupid

[grizzled bloom]

assus

[meager elbow]

A sus

[wind karma]

fwiw I just put a 5700x3d in an a520 board with no heatsinks and it seems ok even with just the cpu tower fan and exhaust fan moving air over the vrms

[grizzled bloom]

Ok but does that A520 board have only 4 CPU power phases

Because those A320s did

Although the 5700X3D does draw more power, up to 117W

[wind karma]

Not sure. It's a pretty bottom of the barrel a520

[grizzled bloom]

Which one? I'll check

[wind karma]

Yeah mine was sitting around 85W sustained in cinebench multicore

[dull flint]

65W processor so yes

[grizzled bloom]

Cinebench isn't great for showing peak consumption, p95 would do that. Cinebench is more like what you'd expect during gaming.

[dull flint]

Stock tdp is 65W PPT which is 90 max in real consumption

A fan over a decent enough vrm would handle that

[wind karma]

105w tdp pretty sure

[dull flint]

X3D

Not X

Oh wait

I was misreading again

[wind karma]

Yeah they were talking 5600x earlier which is 65 I think

[grizzled bloom]

We go back and forth a lot, it can be confusing

[wind karma]

https://shop.asus.com/us/90mb18f0-m0aayc-pro-a520m-c-ii-csm.html

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah looks like 4 stages

[dull flint]

4 doubled +1+1

Or +2

Yeah

Fan over that could work

I'd definitely want a heatsink though, it'd be really hot

[wind karma]

Not sure if hwinfo is accurate for mobo temps but the highest out of the sensor readings was like 80C I think

[grizzled bloom]

So yeah that A320 has a similar layout so it'll most likely be fine with a 5600X

[grizzled bloom]

It's as accurate as the sensor is

[dull flint]

Some basic AM4's are atrocious tho

HDV for example

1 stage

[grizzled bloom]

[wind karma]

I have a fan installed for a bit more airflow over the vrms, just gotta rewire it cause it's on a header linked to gpu temps rn

[grizzled bloom]

Wait how did you get a header to be linked to the GPU at all

The bios shouldn't recognize a PCIe temp sensor

Unless you did it through software

[wind karma]

Yeah argus monitor

The fan was originally by my gpu so it's chained with a couple other fans that were intaking under the gpu

Gotta plug it into the chain that's controlled by cpu temps

[grizzled bloom]

Too bad you don't have more headers so you can link it directly to VRM temp sensor

[wind karma]

In theory I think I could daisy chain the cpu fans to the cpu cooler and free up a header

[grizzled bloom]

That'll throw off your tach reading

Since most of the time a CPU fan is higher rpm than case fans

Which isn't a huge issue but I personally prefer to have accurate RPM readout

[sudden creek]

Well that's frustrating.

But do you think the high frame time was due to the latency caused by dual CCD?

[grizzled bloom]

Dual CCD stutter is a well documented issue

That's why it's supposed to park one CCD when gaming, but some games don't allow that

[sudden creek]

I am honestly shocked that Fortnite hasn't told the game to avoid using the other CCD especially in ranked matches.

[trail ore]

hey guys idk if this is the right place to ask but i recently built a pc with a friend and he keeps getting a DRAM light on his mb, we've changed the ram and it doesn't stop, we tried it all: BIOS reset, changing the ram kit, reseating cpu and nothing worked

[grizzled bloom]

What CPU and motherboard? This happens a lot when the BIOS needs to be updated

Oh I see you also asked in #building-and-recc-chat

[trail ore]

it's a Gigabyte B650 gaming x ax v2 with a R5 7600

[grizzled bloom]

Ok that's supported by all versions so it's not that

But a BIOS update can help sometimes

[serene forum]

ASRock A520M-HDV AM4 AMD A520 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX AMD Motherboard paired with AMD Wraith Stealth Socket AM4 4-Pin Connector CPU Cooler why cant the cpu fan reach the mutherbord

idk what to do

I might deserve a reward for being this stupid

[grizzled bloom]

It was upside down right

[serene forum]

Even stupider bro

You won't believe what I did

[grizzled bloom]

Twist tie still holding the slack?

[grizzled bloom]

Oof. Well, live and learn.

[sudden creek]

Is there a way for me to measure how many watts my computer uses in a hour?

I am trying to figure out how much I pay for in electricity for my computer if I left it running 24/7 for a month (I use it as a server in the background) under light-heavy load.

[grizzled bloom]

kill-a-watt

[wind karma]

if you just need an estimate you could use monitoring software and math

[grizzled bloom]

That would only get you the power after it's been converted in a lossy way a few times

The power supply alone could be running at 70% efficiency at the load level they plan to use it at

[wind karma]

could factor that in if needed

[grizzled bloom]

You would need to know the exact efficiency and load % to do that

At low load it could be as low as 50% efficiency and still fall in the 80+ spec

[wind karma]

more estimates then

or lookups

(general)

(specific)

or you could buy a kill-a-watt

[grizzled bloom]

They're like $40

But they are useful for finding what appliances and such have the most vampire drain when inactive

[wind karma]

now factor in the heat produced and corresponding load taken off your usual house heating method for the true cost

[cerulean wadi]

3080 w/o UV = no heater needed in my room, haha

[grizzled bloom]

Literally how I heated my main living area last night. Protein folding.

[sudden creek]

Really??

[sudden creek]

Gotcha I will definitely buy one. So those will record the power consumption by the whole system right?

[wind karma]

yeah pretty sure it plugs into the wall outlet and then you plug the PC/PSu power cable into it

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, because idle load isn't something that 80+ even measures

[wind karma]

from the charts I found it seems like 80+ means it has a minimum of 80% efficiency?

well I guess th rm850x does dip below 80% but only when load is really low

like under 25W

[sudden creek]

Load with a server is typically the server + chrome + discord + email + razer/rgb stuff

[grizzled bloom]

The RMx is an example of an excellent power supply in almost every regard

[wind karma]

ah

[grizzled bloom]

And 80+ only tests 3 load levels

Except for the titanium rating which has 4

[wind karma]

20%, 50%, and 100% I assume?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

If you look at something that's 80+ white or bronze then it can dip pretty low

[fresh arrow]

veryyyy quick question, anyone know if the i5 10400f stock cooler work on a i5 12600k? or if the i5 12600k Comes with a stock cooler at all?

[burnt spear]

it will not

and no it doesnt

[fresh arrow]

sadge

[slim olive]

You can buy good tower coolers for cheap

[grizzled bloom]

$15 for some thermalright single tower will do fine

[scenic solar]

the left usb port on my corsair 465x case has started to give me some problems. it now rarely works when I connect storage devices and other things. it seems to power then properly but no data connection... what could it be?

[dull flint]

Dying data cables are a dime a dozen problem

Genuinely try wiggling or moving the cable around a bit

For the header inside

If that doesn't work...rip

Cleaning out the plug also a thing but I reckon you might have tried both these things

[scenic solar]

it looks fairly clean, occasionally it gets a but dusty but I clean it every onec in a while.

one thing I can't stop noticing is that my usb to sata adapter + 12v psu (for 3.5" drives) sparks slightly between the two ground connections on the usbs. is that normal and could it be harmful in any way?

I guess it's just cuz the adapter psu is not grounded and any excess power is fed to that ground line

it works fine on any other port or pc so I guess it's not a problem at all

[dull flint]

That is absolutely not normal no

That reads back to me like a localised short but I could be wrong

@meager elbow

The port looks ok but sparks is not normal at all

Highly concerning

[meager elbow]

Port looks fine to me as well

I swear there shouldn't be enough power to cause a spark lmao

15 w