cpus-mobo-and-memory

[burnt spear]

Could bite the bullet and go 64 now

[sudden creek]

yeah that'd help

[hearty juniper]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-core-ultra-200-launch-didnt-go-as-planned-promises-performance-fix-by-early-december

Does this mean that the 200s will exceed the 9800x3d?

[dull flint]

Not even close in gaming

Intel is working to align performance to within advertised expectations, which was near 14900K performance in games, which it's struggling to reach

9800X3D will be king for some time

[dusty cipher]

Hopefully until 9950x3d

[karmic perch]

Poor Intel 😮‍💨

Intel kicked out of the Dow

[meager elbow]

old news ong

[karmic perch]

AMD desktop chips don’t provide NPU.

Do we need NPU now?

[vagrant mist]

What do you think?

Assuming you know what an NPU is and what it can do

It depends on if you actually do stuff that needs it

[tender sleet]

@vagrant mist actually that makes me wonder
Does Microsoft actually secretly install and enable Copilot even on PCs that don't have NPUs like desktop ones

[dull flint]

Yes

They also intend to do this with recall

[tender sleet]

Omfg

Why Microsoft

Why must you be stupid

@dull flint tbh I have yet to find it on my PC

Either Copilot or Recall

And I do update as soon as possible

So

It seems flakey

[dull flint]

It's not fully pushed out yet

[tender sleet]

Unless they only do it to preview version yet (I have that turned off)

[dull flint]

Copilot is on public release

Recall is still in beta

[tender sleet]

I'll check tomorrow if it's on my PC

And I can just eradicate Copilot right?

[dull flint]

You can eradicate recall

I think copilot too

I'm not as worried about copilot as it actually kinda works well?

[tender sleet]

Guess I will be doing that then

[dull flint]

Recall however is just a massive security risk

[tender sleet]

Never asked for either, don't want either, AI in consumer PCs is a fad anyway

[dull flint]

Copilot is much better than google a lot of the time

[tender sleet]

At least the way Microsoft and everyone else seems to use it as literally nothing but a marketing buzzword

[dull flint]

Oh I could care less about the AI stuff

But their tools make internet research actually much faster

A unique take away

Try it

Trust me you'll start to see what I mean

No more false advertising websites and clickbait

[tender sleet]

It's more a principle thing

[dull flint]

No more parsing 1000 reddit threads

[tender sleet]

I didn't ask for it and I don't care about it

But Microsoft unilaterally shoves it down my throat anyway

That's kinda why I will never own any Apple made thing

Out of principle

Like even if it's in every way outright superior to a PC

[dull flint]

Up to you

[tender sleet]

Still not gonna get one

[dull flint]

Just saying I can do like 15 minutes worth of googling in 1 minute of typing into copilot sometimes

It's really the best thing that came out of the ai craze

[tender sleet]

Ah so it's also AI generated

I wonder how much of it is slop

[dull flint]

And I'm handing over my google searches to one company or the other so it doesn't make a difference

[tender sleet]

And how much of it is just stolen content

[dull flint]

It's just google results highly refined

Nothings stolen LMAO

[tender sleet]

I mean I prefer my information unprocessed (as much as possible)

That's why I'm experimenting with search engines

[dull flint]

Lol

[tender sleet]

Yet to find one that's really just giving you what you're looking for, but hey

[dull flint]

I need to give an active demonstration it seems

[dull flint]

It's exactly what it is

I don't sign in or anything

[tender sleet]

I mean feel free
Just be aware that I have no interest in AI crap

[dull flint]

It's just google but better

[tender sleet]

So if I'm indifferent it's not against you, but the product

[dull flint]

I get this back in like, 10 seconds

No sign in, nothing

It's just a useful as hell edge plugin

But pay attention to the feedback it gives

It gives me context clues

Like

"Oh it's retailed here but it's out of stock at this time"

I don't even need to click the website to check myself

Sometimes it's a little flakey, like here it gives two accurate AU price readouts then a third US price readout

But you can see where it gets that info from so if you're cluey it can be parsed

I have not signed into this or given over any more data than I would a google search

To me copilot is just a better google

[grizzled bloom]

In some regards yes, but the issue arises when you try to find info on a less common topic because then it can pull bad info or just make it up

Quoting PCMR subreddit for example

[vagrant mist]

Yeah my laptop with a 5600H has copilot

Or, had

I removed that garbage as soon as I saw it

If I want to use an ai I can do that with firefox AI chat

[grizzled bloom]

My PC got Copilot force installed too

And this is an install that I ran a debloat script on

[vagrant mist]

I just revo uninstalled it lol

[dull flint]

Being efficient 8/10 times saves a lot of headache at least

I'm not using the app btw, just the edge addon

Not interested in the app

[hollow thorn]

I guess MSI is adding auto mem oc
https://wccftech.com/msis-memory-extension-mode-significant-gaming-improvement-core-ultra-200s-cpus/

[grizzled bloom]

Oh goodie, add that to the list of things that can go wrong

[halcyon relic]

if you swap from 7800x3d to 9800x3d, aside from making sure bios is updated do you need to do anything else? Is windows reinstallation necessary?

[grizzled bloom]

Not that we know of

It's still uncharted territory for most

[burnt spear]

Imo that upgrade is very pointless unless you're gaming at 1080p

[dull flint]

If you're not playing extremely CPU bound games that upgrade is like less than 1% performance lmao

[dull flint]

Heh.

(It's still probably 1% faster than a 7800X3D at 4K but still lmao)

[grizzled bloom]

To be clear, those results are explicitly for the 4090 where even at 4k it is possible to be very CPU bound

[dull flint]

Oh yeah for sure

Can I get an overwatch?

Still highly meaningless at 4K but fun nonetheless

[dusty cipher]

A better cpu never hurts nonetheless

Also when 5090 comes 9800x3d would be even more welcome

[vagrant mist]

Meanwhile ubm:

You're all stupid and falling for amd marketing there's no actual benefit to the 9800x3d chips except for super cherry picked examples ree

Meanwhile that's all they subsist on

[distant gulch]

One does not cherry pick without cherry picking

And by god does ub cherry pick cherrypicking

[dull flint]

I'd enjoy encountering the wild mystical beast that is the owner of ubm

I'd snap a blurry picture like something you'd see about bigfoot before he sprinted into a dark alley leaving only an i3-8100 box in his wake

[distant gulch]

That is a beautiful image you just gave me

Too realistic tbh

[dull flint]

I mean let's be honest here

What would he look like if not that

[distant gulch]

I just imagine gollum really

[dull flint]

If not some crazed area 51-esque failed mutation out of intel's dumpster who hides in forest caves

[distant gulch]

He was fine with amd until it challenged his precious

[dull flint]

I really just wanna know what his daily rig is tbh

[distant gulch]

Watch him run a 7800x3d

[dull flint]

That would be WILD

☠️

That's like keemstar level dramaalert there

[distant gulch]

Ong tho

I imagine that and an intel gpu 🙏

[burnt spear]

Except it's $450-$700 and 10-15% better

That's just silly

[wind karma]

better parts won't hurt performance but they do hurt your wallet

[dark ruin]

Guys I have a b450matx ds3h wifi and what's the most powerful CPU it can support?

[grizzled bloom]

For gaming? Probably a 5700X3D realistically

[dark ruin]

Cause I am looking into a 1440 setup

[dull flint]

5700X3D maximum

It's basically anything with a 65W tdp

The vrm on that board sucks

Like big time

So it'll struggle with higher power parts

Ideally the maximum would be 5700X rather than X3D given the tdp difference

5700X3D would be about as high as it would go with some moderate throttling/tdp change to keep it cool

[dusty cipher]

Is it worse then a Msi A620 m-e in terms of vrm?

[dull flint]

At a glance, probably not

Probably pretty close to equal

I wouldn't touch any board out of AM5 without a vrm heatsink tho

[karmic perch]

https://youtu.be/MWOciUYUAPA?si=4Sxy7RVAmlhJIL1o

[grizzled bloom]

They have DLSS on so it's not even really 4k

Their results would only be valid when using a 4090 with those settings, which very few people will be doing

[dull flint]

I'm surprised this is even a video tbh

[grizzled bloom]

There's youtube accounts that pretty much just test every relevant CPU and make a video pretending it's a head to head comparison

So they'll have 500 different videos with 20 different CPUs with the footage just spliced together

[dull flint]

When it's really just a handful of cpus with disabled configs and odd settings

Sometimes even the same cpu with spoofed numbers

💀

[tender sleet]

The argument that using DLSS performance at 4k is a valid CPU test because it is internally rendered at 1080p

[grizzled bloom]

But then you should just run it at 1080p and leave DLSS off

Because it does mess with results

[tender sleet]

It makes "more relevant results for the average gamer"

That's the argument, not my opinion

[dull flint]

How does this even make sense

The numbers are saying it uses 30% less CPU on a 8 core vs an 4 core for the same numbers

Last I checked that doesn't really math correctly

[distant gulch]

Sounds like bias testing from that

I dunno enough to assume tho

[dull flint]

As I said ^^^

[distant gulch]

I didnt read chat above lol

[dull flint]

Not after you for what you said

But think of it this way

Turn off 2 9800X3D cores and you'd get those results

[distant gulch]

Yurp

[dull flint]

If you could even call it a 9800X3D

This might just be some kids 13900K

You can edit the values in RTSS and make anything look like anything

[distant gulch]

Thatd be scummy gd

[dull flint]

Test looks like a buttload of bs to me, makes people talk and that's the bad part, it makes people look

[dull flint]

It's a long known practice of many YT benchmarks

This is why we stick to proper benchmark channels as much as possible

[dull flint]

I'm like 99% sure this is what I'm seeing btw, This isn't 2 cpus, it's the same one with 25% less cores lmfao

Ragnarok right side looks more like typical X3D numbers now

And would you look at that 4 cores disabled this time

Hahaha

Funny how it's EXACTLY HALF THE CPU USAGE

First test was 6 cores same cpu

second and third were 4 cores same cpu

[grizzled bloom]

If that's the case then it's probably not even a 9800X3D because the "14100" results show the clock below the base freq

[dull flint]

Hahahahaha

Ain't no way this is a 14100F

I doubt 9800X3D as well

I bet this is like some Raptor lake or maybe a 7800X3D

And the dude's shuffling numbers

Yeah I've seen enough

Exactly half + I/O die power draw

I'm dead certain now it's fake

The left hand side even has better numbers

This is some kid with a 4090 and OBS

One pc

[grizzled bloom]

You know I bet it's not even a 4090 because even with the settings they showed in cyberpunk it still had DLSS on so it should be making WAY more fps

[dull flint]

I'm pretty sure this channel has been called out a million times btw

In the past

I've seen this particular one a number of times for strange looking benchmarks

[dull flint]

May very well be, I'm just being optimistic

You could never know it's actually a 4090 too, you're totally right

Cos you can't see the resolution

Could just make up numbers and make up settings

They capture in 4K tho

[grizzled bloom]

I can capture in 4k too using DSR scaling

[dull flint]

It doesn't look like proper 4K to me tbh

Maybe upscaled rendering

[grizzled bloom]

That plus DLSS is a funny combo, upscale it just to upscale it again

[dull flint]

Unless every single test is slammed with dlss it's not native 4K

I notice the difference immediately on my 43"

That might be real 4K

That's also still disabled cores

X3D scales tremendously with FS2020

Bahaha

[grizzled bloom]

It does use the extra cores a little too for background threads and asset streaming

[dull flint]

Ok PUBG is NOT 4K

Those trees are 1080p ass render LOL

Hahaha wtf is this

94% usage and the average is identical

Absolutely BS

I didn't think it was this bad

I've seen this channel before for bad benchmarks but they were never this telling

This is an X3D rig with disabled cores, I'm like 10000% sure now

Hahaha we're back to exactly half cpu usage again

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe even a 5800X3D with a 3080 if I had to guess, or something close to that GPU

[dull flint]

0% attention to the detail these are entirely different platforms with entirely different IPC and execution behaviour

It's so obvious in this video lmfao

[grizzled bloom]

No way it's 40 series because DLSS 3.0 wasn't an option in cp2077

[dull flint]

Is there

[grizzled bloom]

Ah I missed it, 4070 then

[dull flint]

It'll either be a 40 series or it's a modded game

[grizzled bloom]

Or they just pulled the footage of the settings list from somewhere else

[dull flint]

Oh yeah true

Ok every single benchmark gives it away it's the same chip now

Like this is blatant

This is an X3D rig with/without some 40 series card just being messed with the core count

I should report this for misinformation

LOL

[grizzled bloom]

I will if you do

[dull flint]

How do I report a YT video

[grizzled bloom]

Flag by the like button iirc

[dull flint]

I need to sign in guhhh

Ok ima do it

Misinformation to also the links in the description

[grizzled bloom]

Here's what real 4k results look like

14100 is in there too

[dull flint]

Can you link me that review

I'll add it to the report

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/20.html

[dull flint]

thx

[grizzled bloom]

Ok so DLSS quality 4k renders in 1440p, and with a 4090 it should be getting 150 fps

So it's definitely not a 4090 since their claimed result is half of that

[dull flint]

I don't think a mod at youtube would understand that

The top pic is good tho

It shows a huge difference

[grizzled bloom]

10% difference at 4k is pretty major

Especially when you're running that close to 60

[dull flint]

There we go

[grizzled bloom]

1440p (4k with DLSS on) should show an average 30% difference between the 14100 and 9800X3D

[dull flint]

Yeah

I tried to keep it simple for a YT mod to review

Not expecting them to know

[grizzled bloom]

I'm not saying to add it to the report, just adding to the conversation

[dull flint]

Alr

[grizzled bloom]

And I do acknowledge that TPU isn't perfect when it comes to their reviews and charts, but it's generally good for ballpark numbers

[dull flint]

It's way better than whatever pipe they're smoking here

[grizzled bloom]

definitely

[distant gulch]

Youtube taking action? Yeah right, only if its copyright and they have risk of losing precious companys

[grizzled bloom]

They have AI doing the initial report reviews now

It'll make an initial judgement and the uploader can appeal (sometimes) and it'll go to a moderator

[dull flint]

It had a selection for misinformation as the report reason too

I don't expect anything out of it, but I will laugh if anything does happen

It's deserved

[distant gulch]

The channel is probably using old parts and dont feel like buying the actual new equipment so they can pump out more pointless content

That would be my best guess

If they can make money recycling, theres no point spending the extra money, right?

[grizzled bloom]

Or in this case, just make stuff up and they don't need to buy anything

[dull flint]

Exactly what I was suggesting earlier lol

It looks completely faked tho

[distant gulch]

Ah didnt see that, but yeah its the most likely answer

[dull flint]

Like I'm so convinced I will actually be impressed if I saw the tests done irl

Hell

[grizzled bloom]

Their own numbers on screen don't line up with each other

[dull flint]

I could test this

I'd just turn off 20 of my 13900KF cores and run both systems

[distant gulch]

Hate to say it but youtube isnt doing crap, look at sssniperwolf

[grizzled bloom]

I could do a comparison vid of my own, 7600X vs 7600X3D vs 7900X3D

[dull flint]

We can't talk about that here but I know exactly what you're talking about and it's disgusting

[grizzled bloom]

No purchase necessary

[meager elbow]

youtube probably doing more stuff than twitch but twitch is like no bar

bar underground

[distant gulch]

Oh we cant? Is it just because we're in #cpus-mobo-and-memory or

[grizzled bloom]

Twitch is too busy biting the hand that feeds it and trying to ban nudity

[distant gulch]

Or are you referring to the stuff she did

Lol

[grizzled bloom]

It's too controversial

[meager elbow]

twitch banning vtubers showing too much skin but ignoring irl streamers that show their ass

[dull flint]

The stuff she did and also I want no

of it tbh

[meager elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksfilms-amogus-among-us-internet-ruined-me-imposter-gif-21411756

[distant gulch]

Im done with twitch, they put talking about lgbtq+ on the same guidelines as warcrimes

Because its "too controversial"

[grizzled bloom]

And that is where this thread ends lol

[distant gulch]

I think they did a flip on it but the fact it happened

[distant gulch]

Lol fair enough

[grizzled bloom]

#general-chat if you want to continue but avoid the controversial topics

[karmic perch]

🤔

4090 Video card is overpriced 🤡🤡🤡

You need to spend 2000 dollars.

[burnt spear]

You don't say

[distant gulch]

Rocketships are overpriced

[burnt spear]

This looks ai generated

[grizzled bloom]

Nah it's totally real I was there for the launch of the RTX Quad Booster rocket

[burnt spear]

Yeah it was funded by Jensen and musk

Elons there bc what isn't he involved in at this point

[feral stratus]

hey guys, I recently got a new CPU Its a small upgrade from R5 2600 to the 3600, but when installing the 3600 my computer doesnt boot, no power, no lights and no spinning fans. Ive updated my bios so it can process the 3000 series CPUs, wondering if i can get someone input on this. thank you

[grizzled bloom]

Clear your CMOS

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[grizzled bloom]

The motherboard probably still expects the old CPU so it's panicking

That'll clear out its memory

[burnt spear]

If that doesn't work, are you sure you updated bios right?

You might need to do an older version first and then a newer one

[grizzled bloom]

Especially if it's a B350 or B450, that's correct. There's sometimes a "stepping" version you need to install before the final update.

[feral stratus]

i do have a b450 gaming pro

[grizzled bloom]

MSI or Asus

[feral stratus]

MSI

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, MSI doesn't do stepping versions

But they do have versions that remove support for old CPUs to add new ones

That wouldn't be a problem here I think, but it's worth checking if the motherboard powers on with the old CPU in

No need to put the cooler and paste on, just need to see if the CPU gets warm to the touch

[feral stratus]

i have the my old pcu

[grizzled bloom]

Then turn it off

[feral stratus]

in right now

im using my old CPU rn

[grizzled bloom]

Oh perfect

[feral stratus]

it just doesnt work with the new CPU

[grizzled bloom]

Load up CPU-Z and go to the mainboard tab, take a screenshot and DM it to me

It'll tell me if the bios is updated correctly that way

https://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/cpu-z_2.12-en.zip

As well as tell me the exact model of motherboard you have because MSI has a dozen different "gaming pro" models

[feral stratus]

i lied i have this mobo, https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X470-GAMING-PRO/Specification

X470

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, that changes nothing though tbh

[feral stratus]

sending SS now

2 sec

[grizzled bloom]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1306897189225627759/1306897309476454440/image.png

Looks like you installed the lowest version that supports the new CPU

I'd recommend actually installing the latest version, it should support both of your CPUs and contains critical fixes

[feral stratus]

i watched a video where it said i dont need to instal the newst, just the version that supourts my new CPU

should i try again?

[grizzled bloom]

While that's technically true, there's a critical security vulnerability called "sinkclose" that needs to be fixed via a BIOS update

An attacker could use that vulnerability to take control of your computer

[feral stratus]

i see

but would this help with my CPU?

[grizzled bloom]

It can yes

[feral stratus]

what about CMOS

should i still try that

[grizzled bloom]

Clear the CMOS before you swap the CPU yes

That way the motherboard doesn't still expect the old CPU

[feral stratus]

not sure im understanding the CMOS

what do i do to my mother board?

with the pins

[grizzled bloom]

You have a small button located here to clear with

Flip the power supply off first

With the switch and not your middle finger

[feral stratus]

ok

does there need to be power in the computer

to clear CMOS

i un plugged everything and turned off the power supply

[grizzled bloom]

It needs the opposite of power

[feral stratus]

ok

cool

i did it then

should i install the other cpu again?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes now you would switch the CPU

[feral stratus]

ight bet

new cpu installed

still no lights

or fans running

[grizzled bloom]

I'm starting the think the new CPU is bad

Can you get a pic of the bottom of the CPU

Close as you can and still be in focus

[feral stratus]

i checked the pins

they are straight

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm

[feral stratus]

the “new” cpu was a hand me down from a friend who hasn’t used it in a while

[grizzled bloom]

I still say update BIOS and then try again

[feral stratus]

u think i can run it without the

cpu fan

i’ve installed it like 5 times today lol

[grizzled bloom]

You don't need to screw it down but at least set it on top

[feral stratus]

oh my lord

hold on

i forgot i turned off my power supply

😳

[feral stratus]

check dms

confused how it turns on

[grizzled bloom]

Oh weird, so it works with the socket lever up but not down?

Maybe those pins aren't so straight after all

[feral stratus]

hmm

ima double check it

rn

[feral stratus]

check dms, the pins look pretty straight to me

[grizzled bloom]

Hard to tell for me

I can't pause fast enough to look at all the rows both ways

I think I saw something on one of the corners but it could just be from the camera's refresh rate

[feral stratus]

found the bend pin

bent pin

it was very slightly bent aswell

hopefully this works

yep doesn’t work with the lever down

man

[tender turtle]

Can someone help me

so i bought a new m.2 and its not popping up

anywhere

and i dont know what to do

i checked disk management

bios

[meager elbow]

if it's not showing up on bios then that means the drive isnt being detected at all, this could be caused by multiple reasons, but the more likely option is either a bad contact (so try reseating the m.2) or you have something plugged into one of the last 2 sata ports on your mobo, which may disable the m.2 slot on some boards

or if you got a m.2 sata drive, sometimes the mobo does a sneaky thing and doesnt actually support sata m.2 (even though it's part of the specifications)

[tender turtle]

i think so

[meager elbow]

slightly more rarely, the slot is dead or the drive is dead

[tender turtle]

i was thinking it might be the gen if it has to do with anything

[meager elbow]

no, it's backwards and forwards compatible

[tender turtle]

dang it might be the m.2 sata thing

[meager elbow]

you can use a gen 1 pcie m.2 (if that even exists) on a gen 5 m.2 slot, or a gen 5 drive on a gen 1 pcie slot

is it a sata m.2?

or is it nvme?

[tender turtle]

my mobo thing says 4 SATA3, 1 Ultra M.2 (PCIe Gen3 x4), 1 M.2 (SATA3)

[meager elbow]

oh

2nd m.2 slot would only support sata drives then

[tender turtle]

fudge

[meager elbow]

though you shouldnt have been able to fit a nvme into that slot since it would have a different keying?

[tender turtle]

uuh

no it fit

[meager elbow]

huh..

[tender turtle]

the m.2 thing fit

u wanna see what my mobo look like?

[meager elbow]

well, another reason is that maybe you need to flip some jumper pins to enable the 2nd m.2 slot? but that's extremely rare on modern mobos

sure

[tender turtle]

so the top one i got a 512 m.2

and i just installed a 990 evo 2tb into the bottom

[meager elbow]

yeah this image is useless pretty much lmao

what model is this

[tender turtle]

asrock b450m

[meager elbow]

i'll look for a manual

steel legend?

[tender turtle]

yea

[meager elbow]

oh no it's not that

pro4

[tender turtle]

oooooooo yea

wait

its this one

[meager elbow]

oh

i was looking at the image you sent so i saw the chipset heatsink and it wasnt the same so i was like hmm that's not right lol

[tender turtle]

sorry

[meager elbow]

says the same thing in the manual so it's still a relevant screenshot

so yeah 2nd slot only supports sata

[tender turtle]

so my thing not working

[meager elbow]

i have no idea why they used m key on the 2nd slot if it only supported sata

they're supposed to use b key

oh well

at least now you know that your drive is likely fine and it's just your mobo lol

[tender turtle]

duuuude

aw man

do u think i can get transfer everything to my new drive?somehow?

like windows and games

[meager elbow]

yeah.... always sucks when a company doesnt follow industry standards

do you have a free pcie slot

you can get a pcie to m.2 slot adapter

or if you dont, you can get a usb m.2 enclosure

[meager elbow]

could go even cheaper

dont need a heatsink

well, if it's temporary at least

[tender turtle]

i might upgrade my mother board

then

or find a way to transfer everything on my original m.2

[meager elbow]

ehh, i probably wouldnt, if you were to upgrade, better to go to am5 at this point lol

[tender turtle]

to the new one

i have a harddrive

wait no

ionthink it finna work

[mystic inlet]

the 14900's still shorting out burning things?

[burnt spear]

not with new bios, but I'd suggest the 7950x/9950x/7800x3d/9800x3d depending on what youre doing

high end video editing is the only reason id suggest high end lga1700

[mystic inlet]

Thanks, looking for a new pc for the wife, and she doesn't want any AI chips ( she read somewhere they can alter grammar, and she's already using perplexity for that and doesn't want to chance pc's AI altering things on her papers.) and only knows Intel so AMD would be out, I am lucky I can get something for her that's not a F'n Dell PC. Figured if I can't get her new then get her best of last gen. Maybe a 13000? Though kind of getting forced into a 14000 with the 64 or higher ram ( not gaming) she needs something with the 100's of open tabs she keeps.

[meager elbow]

Having a physical chip optimized for AI doesn't mean it will be used randomly

Hell, copilot last I heard still doesn't use the npus lmao

64gb ram is overkill for anything but applications you know need it

32gb is plenty for hundreds of tabs

Especially for modern chrome

The AI cpus are mainly just marketing, they're just the regular cpu with some extra features that don't get used unless you have something that can use those npus

[burnt spear]

??

That's not how that works

100s of Google tabs is much less demanding than you'd think

My mom used a 15 year old laptop till it broke a few years ago with at least 60 open at any given time

You don't need an i9 for Google

[grizzled bloom]

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, especially these days when so many articles are written by AI.

[meager elbow]

Needing like a tb of ram for chrome is a joke

[burnt spear]

Definitely, 4tb or bust

[warm hemlock]

is gigabyte b550 gaming x v2 motherboard with R5 5600x and rtx 3060 worth? (i have gtx 1650s and i5 9400f)

[distant gulch]

I think itd be a nice jump in performance yes

[burnt spear]

Maybe. It depends on the pricing

3060 is mostly bad value

[warm hemlock]

the price is so good

205 usd for it

almost

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that would be good

[burnt spear]

For all three? Or just the gpu?

[warm hemlock]

no lol just the gpu

[burnt spear]

Thats about right for a 3060 12gb, if jts the 8gb version that'd be a pass

[warm hemlock]

im talking about 12gb version

[burnt spear]

Nice

How about the cpu and mobo price?

9400f isn't far behind 5600

[distant gulch]

is 8 gigs v ram even enough for newer titles?

[burnt spear]

Not like the 3060 is strong enough to make use of 12

[warm hemlock]

80 to 150 usd each one

[distant gulch]

true

[burnt spear]

The 8gb version has worse perf too

[burnt spear]

Are you in the US?

[warm hemlock]

yes obv

[warm hemlock]

no im in sa

[burnt spear]

Ah alr

[distant gulch]

its a genuine question

people ship out of the US lol

[burnt spear]

Yeah sounds like you're fine then. You could hold off on the cpu/mobo upgrade though, the 9400f won't limit a 3060 much

[warm hemlock]

not all the parts are shiped from us tho lol

[distant gulch]

tbf didnt have a way to know that

but yee

[warm hemlock]

check https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ck2WXR

[distant gulch]

oh i assumed it was all bundled together

yeah the gpu would be the only significant upgrade

[burnt spear]

The cpu has a stock cooler you don't need a diff one unless noise is an issue

[warm hemlock]

the prices are different from what i said cuz there is discount in sa

[burnt spear]

But looks fine. Could do a cheaper mobo depending on what it costs there

If 5600 is more than $10 cheaper I'd grab that, theyre essentially the same cpu

12600k/kf with a b660/b760 would be better, if 12400f would be cheaper it matches the 5600/x

[warm hemlock]

yeah but 5600x is cheaper right now

[warm hemlock]

yes but the temperatures wont be that good

[grizzled bloom]

With a 5600X? They'll be fine unless you overclock it

[warm hemlock]

oh then imma save that $20 and get a dinner

[warm hemlock]

btw i will prob just buy the 3060 right now and save money for the other parts

[wind karma]

Anyone know if a 5700x3d will be ok in an a520 board with no VRM heatsinks?

[burnt spear]

I'd put a fan for the vrms

[wind karma]

I think I could move the 80mm up top. Don't need it for the gpu now that I undervolted

Or I could get an even smaller fan and mount it to the side panel facing the vrms. Don't think the 80mm fits in between the cooler and exhaust 120

I really hate looking at the inside of my pc. Maybe I should have put a spoiler on that. Thankfully the side panel is normally closed and covers up everything :)

[burnt spear]

Yeah i think it needs a TW

[ripe tartan]

You need a bigger case

Or a case with better cable management

(That case looks like it has nothing to hide cables in)

[wind karma]

^

[wind karma]

Don't need to hide anything when the case is closed up

[ripe tartan]

If worth about having heat damage to the cables
But if you get adequate cooling, guess there’s no need to change it

[wind karma]

No cables are directly touching any heatsinks, and I don't think the air is getting nearly hot enough to melt plastic

[potent dew]

How is this cheaper? Also, is this a Chinese version or something?
https://www.newegg.com/p/274-000M-001Z9

[grizzled bloom]

It's cheaper because they're drop shipping from aliexpress

[potent dew]

Ah

I also now see that it's only $2 cheaper than one from a California based store

[prisma hill]

My old AM3 socket motherboard/cpu died, idk which but I'm pretty sure 1 of them died

So I'm looking to upgrade to a newer socket cuz I'd rather upgrade from the old socket cuz I can barely find replacement parts

I would have to upgrade cpu, motherboard and ram, anyone have any suggestions?

I don't need it to be top of the line or anything, and it doesn't need to be the newest sockets and stuff, just something that isn't old like AM3, I'm looking for like an average level of stuff

My gpu is nvidia windforce 970, I have a hard drive and 2 ssds, idk if that makes a difference, psu is CX600M but Id be willing to upgrade it just cuz its old, my case is the NZXT Phantom 410, Ideally I wouldnt want to change that if I dont have to either

if its a motherboard that can have a faster ssd that would be nice, motherboard doesnt need wifi either I have ethernet

I also dont care about how it looks, like I dont want to spend an extra 30$ on rgb if theres like a normal variant right next to it

[grizzled bloom]

@prisma hill

All you would need with this combo is a cheap fan like this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FDWPCWZ?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

[prisma hill]

Would I be able to use my existing fan?

Idk what model it is but it's corsair and it's watercooling, it has like weird hooks and knobs that hold in onto the cpu

Is an nv3 the same as an m.2?

[grizzled bloom]

It would need the new bracket for the cooler to support the new socket

NV3 is a M.2 NVMe SSD

Much faster than anything from FX

[prisma hill]

Thanks I'll look into those offers when I'm home

I assume I don't have to change gpu then

And cases don't need specific mounting brackets or something

[grizzled bloom]

The 970 will work for now until you upgrade it later

Motherboard mounting has been standardized since the 90s so any standard ATX case will work

[prisma hill]

Alr cool thanks

Where does it say free nvme ssd btw?

[grizzled bloom]

You add it to your cart and it'll give you a discount

[prisma hill]

Im in Canada too idk if that makes a difference, I checked the .ca site and all the deals are there

[prisma hill]

So if I get that exact combo it'll give me the discount code for a free nvme ssd

[grizzled bloom]

You'd get extra shipping charges to ship international, I can put something together for canada with more local stuff

[prisma hill]

When I pressed the links I changed the .com to. Ca and it took me to the Canada sites of each and it still had discounts and stuff so I think I would be able to buy it from Canada site

[grizzled bloom]

The question is whether it ships from canada, because if they have to ship international there's a lot of fees

[prisma hill]

You don't need to if you don't want to

Like rn I'm just looking at cpus and motherboards and they all look the same to me, idk what to look for

[grizzled bloom]

No idea what just happened to bacca's messages but here's this which is basically the same as their first link https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JPMWXR

[burnt spear]

Didn't see you were making a list and didn't want to have too many options since it gets confusing (taking a page out of your book lol)

[prisma hill]

What would price difference look like between am4 and am5?

[burnt spear]

Was basically just that with an msi 750 agl

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kC3YrM

[prisma hill]

That's crazy fast of an answer

Do you just have this ready

[burnt spear]

I was making it as a third option before deleting the others lol

[grizzled bloom]

No, since the prices change almost daily. But we know what to look for so the filters make it quick.

[burnt spear]

Just convenient timing

Also that

[grizzled bloom]

No cooler required with the 7600 as well, it comes with one

[prisma hill]

How can I know if my existing cooler would be compatible

[grizzled bloom]

What model is the cooler

[prisma hill]

So what is it that you look for

Like for example motherboards I can't tell the difference other than the cpu sockets

Cpus I just search up cpu A vs cpu B and compare them like that

[prisma hill]

I couldn't tell you, I'm st the gym rn so I'd be able to check when I'm home

Its corsair, has water cooling and it's mounted by weird hooks with knobs, then has a radiator that has fans on it

[meager elbow]

chipset and features

and price

do you know what model of corsair aio

[grizzled bloom]

CPUs we just keep up with the news and we know what's good through those trusted sources.
Motherboards, most of them are fine but sometimes you need better heatsinks (like if you upgraded to a 7950X later) or other features. We use the filters to find ones that match your needs.
Memory we just know what specs are good for what CPU.

And if the AIO is more than 5 years old I would recommend replacing it anyway because of fluid loss over time

[meager elbow]

true

[grizzled bloom]

Unless it has a fill port in which case you can service it yourself

You can let us know what model it is later, or take a pic and we'll figure it out

[prisma hill]

https://dynamic-surplus.com/products/corsair-hydro-series-h60-cw-9060007-ww-120mm-water-liquid-cpu-cooler-for-am3?variant=39459656368386

It looks like that one

I'm pretty sure it's that one or very similar

[grizzled bloom]

Corsair sells an adapter bracket https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cw-8960011/hydro-series-h60-h80i-h100i-h110i-amd-mounting-bracket-cw-8960011?srsltid=AfmBOoqCFvWDtAkcXyDke9fu2dLw2XxjSX6q8_0qn9k8DFHaYxt7bn3_

[meager elbow]

bleh 120mm aio

[grizzled bloom]

Also yeah 120mm AIOs are often worse than air coolers these days

[meager elbow]

probably especially more with an older aio

also doesnt seem to have a fill port?

[prisma hill]

I think mine has that already

Maybe, not sure

I can send a pic later

[prisma hill]

So what does chipset even mean and what features do you look for

[meager elbow]

chipset splits out the io from the cpu

so it gives your mobo USB, additional pcie slots, networking, etc.

it honestly serves quite a few purposes

old diagram but at least i finally found one that didnt have the northbridge chipset on it LMFAO

[grizzled bloom]

Northbridge 💀

I remember those

They've been absorbed into the CPU mostly now

[meager elbow]

Indeed

North bridge was integrated into the cpu in like 2011 or whatever

Northbridge: the days when motherboards actually made a performance impact to your cpu

[prisma hill]

this is a pic of the cooler, would that fit onto a newer motherboard or would I need a dif one/a bracket

[meager elbow]

less a matter of whether it fits or not than is the aio too old and probably should be replaced

i would personally probably replace it with a cheap tower air cooler

[prisma hill]

so when I add all of these into my cart on newegg (just testing not gonna buy), the total is 540 cad
but its supposed to be 300 usd which is roughly 420 cad, so am I doing something wrong or is it just canada dif

also where would it say the nvme drive part

[burnt spear]

Itd say it on the 7600x page

And i think in cart

[prisma hill]

I see it on the US site but looks like its not there on the Canadian site

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's the Canada difference

[prisma hill]

If I was to add on a 1tb+ m.2 ssd to this, is there a specific one you guys would recommend?

or just any

[burnt spear]

P400 lite is cheap and decent

Actually m450 is cheaper by $2

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/XzgFf7/msi-spatium-m450-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sm450n1tb

[prisma hill]

thanks

[prisma hill]

So on this list theres this 6 core cpu:
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor

but theres also the following 8 core one for 25$ more:
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor

Currently my FX cpu was 8 cores, will I feel a difference if I go down to 6?

Like in what case would it be a good idea to do 6 vs 8 cores

[prisma hill]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/prcXHW

this list is baccas list ^

With my gpu and psu added

bacca recommended upgrading the psu to a dif one

[dull flint]

I agree with his list @prisma hill

And with the psu suggestion

The psu is really old, and not a high end one like a TXM from back in that day

Would be worth it to get something more current day

$80-$90USD would get you a really long lasting good quality one

But if you want to minimise loss, then you could continue to use the CXM I guess

[distant gulch]

I forgot nvidia had lines outside of the quad digits 😭

[dull flint]

Just don't be surprised if anything happens, the psu is really old, most don't last over 7 years

[prisma hill]

The thing is I just measured my current psu with a multimeter, all of the readings were within 5% of the actual value, except the blue wire was -11.3 instead of -12

so I was thinking it would be fine

[prisma hill]

So youd recommend changing psu just cuz its old and it could risk other parts?

[dull flint]

Yep exactly

That's your call at the end of the day, but a new quality unit also enjoys a renewed warranty

So anything happens, you're covered

[prisma hill]

if something happens and the psu blows up then idm, but my issue is if it blows up and damages other things

[dull flint]

It in all likeliness is, again, your call, but it's schrodinger's guess as to when (even if) it fails

[prisma hill]

alr fair enough

[dull flint]

But a warranty would mean you're covered is all

[prisma hill]

what would warranty cover

just the psu I assume

not other parts if it blows up

[dull flint]

Well if a psu goes, any number of things can also go with it

Especially if it's a short based problem

[prisma hill]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wxs2RV

how does this system look then

thats the psu Bacca recommended

[dull flint]

Absolutely solid

[prisma hill]

alr one more question

the cpu comes with a cooler

[dull flint]

Alr

Ye

[prisma hill]

is it good

[dull flint]

The stock cooler for 5600X is a loud one on that chip

But it'll work

You can impose a bios power limit to make it run like a 5600 and it'll be a lot quieter for minimal performance loss

So 65W PPT

[prisma hill]

if it was your build, would you get a dif cpu cooler or na

[prisma hill]

what does PPT mean

[dull flint]

PPT is the imposed power limit setting for AMD products

What you'd know as TDP

(It's not really TDP tho)

(AMD measures power differently)

65W is what the cooler the 5600X comes with is typically used for

And it's not that bad of a cooler if you stick to that

Like a pretty decent LP 90mm

[prisma hill]

Im not gonna overclock it or anyhting so Ill prob be running it as they intended

Another last question again, Bacca was saying my case which is on the partpicker list above is like an oven, is this something I should change, I would much rather not have to change it

[dull flint]

Do you have a side intake fan

[prisma hill]

yes

side top and back

and front

[dull flint]

It won't be terrible then

[prisma hill]

alr cool

[dull flint]

Hot it definitely is tho

[prisma hill]

itll warm me up during the winter

[dull flint]

Cases have come a really long way over the years

Mesh and wood panelling is the norm now instead of solid panels and glass

[prisma hill]

Interesting

is that for looks or for performance

[dull flint]

Both

The wood for looks, mesh for performance

Most cases pre-2022 are floored by anything released after

[prisma hill]

whats an example of a case like that

[dull flint]

Uh ok

[prisma hill]

out of curiostiy, not gonna change the case

[dull flint]

So your case was succeeded by the S340

Which became the H510

Those two cases are a good, 10-15C? Hotter than their successors

The H510 flow

And the H5 flow after it

Literally all they did was add a mesh panel for the wall of front intake fans and the case transformed in cooling performance

Cos the fans now have a direct intake path

Lian Li O11, transformed after the Evo came out, dropped temps some 5C (Big case with a lot of dead space so less dramatic)

Corsair cases of old

Like the Carbide 275R

Don't even get close to competing with their successors

The 465X was halfway there

The 5000D was the first majorly distributed form of mesh

275R Airflow was also leagues better

It's just allowing the fans to not starve of air

Solid cases still exist but they're more rare

Fractal makes most of the good ones, like the pop silent

Even those are still a lot better though because there's still proper mesh fan mount points

I would argue the phantom 410 isn't truly terrible tho

The side intake fan alone is big

[prisma hill]

a lot more to cases than I thought

btw how should I orient the fans

in the 410

[dull flint]

The front intake also helps a ton if you use it

[prisma hill]

Ye I have 2 fans at the front, 2 fans at the top, 1 at the back (this was the cpu cooler one) then 1 on the side

[dull flint]

Yeah that's not terrible

This won't be like, competitive to current day but you'll be doing better than many glass cases

If anything just better fans might do enough

Which isn't necessary

[prisma hill]

I just need to keep the dust out

slacked on that and there was a ton of dust in there when I was trying to do stuff

which way should I orient fans tho

as in like should the front be intake

then side intake

top and back out?

[dull flint]

Just keep the fans jammed if you clean it all out

Don't let them spin if you're using canned air or something similar

Can break them

[dull flint]

Side front intake top rear exhaust

[prisma hill]

alr cool

[prisma hill]

I guess my last (will it ever be last?) question would be this then

[dull flint]

That's easily enough answered

Cores themselves are rated to a certain speed to interpret data

That is given by the clock, right?

So each generation, cpus get better in the metric known as IPC

IPC is instructions per clock, and it's measured across all different types of workloads

Like SSE, AVX, Decompile, Compression

Including specific code types

Like C++ for example

Everything works to different codes and types of work

But every generation, these manufacturers improve how well these chips interpret the data to make them more efficient

As well as faster, less power hungry, more streamlined

Every generation since FX was a pretty big jump for AMD up until their most recent Zen 5 (Which was still big in ways us normies don't care about)

So we do the simple math

A 5600X is roughly equal as a 6 core to a 3700X as an 8 core, in terms of multicore performance

But much better in single core due to both being improved from IPC

They can do the same work for less clock speed

So we go back another step

Ryzen 3000 was a huge multicore jump over Ryzen 2000 series

As it was a big jump over 1000 series (a refresh though really) with many still preferring a 1700AF

Then we jump back again, and Ryzen's 1700 chips were a massive leap over the FX series

1700 brought the Ryzen chips pretty damn close to Intel's 7700K, they were just a massive leap

So where am I going with all this, essentially each generation can do the same work for much less power/effort, and this is the generational leap

Just having 8 cores isn't a massive deal anymore

See if I can find a rough example here...

Don't use these websites, but this is a good easily drawn conclusion from a snapshot:

Cinebench is a measure of both 1 core and all core performance, and each generational leap I talked about adds up to a massive jump like this

So the 5600X can compute 3x as much data compared to it's FX older brother

Both in a 1 core and all core sense (It's a coincidence they're both similar improvements)

3600 vs FX-8350

2700X vs FX-8350

1700X vs FX-8350

This is what the many years AMD have been up to, improving each generation

Just having 8 cores doesn't necessarily mean the game will run really well anymore

Games have become very adapted to using all 8 now

And many CPUs now ship with 8+extra

[prisma hill]

wdym

[dull flint]

Well for example the 9950X of today ships with 8+8

2 clusters of 8 cores

The 14900K ships with 8+16

A whole monolithic chip of 24 cores

Arranged in a way that it has 8 strong cores and 16 weak ones

8 for the main stuff, 16 for the background stuff/full power work

[prisma hill]

Interesting

what about these cpus in specific then

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor

AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor

The 8 core one runs on a slower clk but then has more cores to do stuff with

Do they also have a + X amount of cores

[dull flint]

The 5700X is a lower clock cos of lower power limit

5600X and 5800X have similar clock

5800X is a 5700X without a lower power limit

5700X & 5800X are 8 cores

1 8 core cluster

vs 5600X which is one 6 core cluster

And while we're on this

5900X is 6+6

5950X is 8+8

So almost like slapping 5600X's and 5800X's onto the same cpu

Those extra 6 and 8 core clusters aren't beneficial for games though, just multithread work

The latency between the clusters stops the extra ones being useful

While Intel does P cores and E cores

P being the strong two thread cores for the main work

And the E cores being the small compact and efficient single thread cores for offloaded background work or multithread work

In a similar way, the extra e cores do nothing for games, as they can't process like the P cores can

[prisma hill]

so the 5800X is pretty much has 5600s speed with 5700s cores

[dull flint]

Mhm

But runs hot as hell cos the power is almost fully unlocked

[prisma hill]

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor, 150$
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor, 175$
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor, 210$

thats all cad btw

but anyways in my case I dont think I need to go with the 5800X

So I have the option of the 5600 or the 5700

the 5600 is faster, but the 5700 has more cores

So generally, in what case would I pick one over the other

Wont affect gaming performance prob

but would it affect other things

[dull flint]

Mmmm depends tbh

The 5700X is a hard pick these days

Since AM4 is getting really close to LGA1700 prices

So once you start spending more, it's better you pick a whole different platform

[prisma hill]

could you give an example of an LGA cpu that would be equivilant in price to that 5700X

like is that LGA a lot better or something

[dull flint]

12600K/KF and a board like a b760m pg riptide

Then you go DDR5

It's a little more but the performance jump is enormous

[prisma hill]

roughly around 160$ more if I just briefly look

[dull flint]

Kinda worth doing

It's probably a little less than that

[burnt spear]

7600x mobo ram and ssd is $340 on wegg

[dull flint]

Cos you get DDR5 which is much longer lasting

Ah if bacca knows a deal that I don't then it's probs better

That one sounds closer to comparable

[burnt spear]

It's not $303 anymore

[dull flint]

7600X is roughly equivalent to a 12600K

[burnt spear]

But still great value, although mobo is not great

[dull flint]

So it's directly comparable

Yeah that board is garbage lol

But it'll run a 7600X

[burnt spear]

And handle something like a 10600x upgrade down the line

[prisma hill]

The issue with this deal is that its for the US, when I do the same parts on the canadian side its 540 cad and doesnt come with the free m.2

[burnt spear]

Mb forgot you're in ca

[prisma hill]

All good lol

[dull flint]

I'm a bit out of the loop for sales rn due to fixing my own stuff but yeah

The jump up is worth it

You get DDR5, and you get another generational leap

5700X3D also makes a lot of sense here vs. 5700X

Another leap again

Though for games specifically, if you like games

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6RLPL9

[prisma hill]

more than double the price tho lol

[dull flint]

Good chip tho

Lol

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/fHDLDj

[dull flint]

Partly the reason why

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/9XWGJy

[dull flint]

5700X3D/5800X3D have demonstrated probably the best longevity of any CPU to date, bar maybe 9900K

Or prior to that 4790K

[prisma hill]

The thing with me is I dont really need anything crazy, like I wasnt planning on upgrading my FX-8320 for the foresable future

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/CftfFs

[dull flint]

Ah well if you aren't interested in the jump then stick to the 5600X/5700X

[burnt spear]

Sorry last option

[prisma hill]

In any case

[burnt spear]

Or 12400f with ddr5 and could drop in a 136/14600kf down the line

[prisma hill]

im gonna be bottlenecked by my gpu anyways

is the jump in performance that big with the 12400

and ddr5

[dull flint]

12400 is roughly a 5600X but it's better than it with ddr5

By a fair bit

DDR4 vs DDR4 they're basically equal

[prisma hill]

the biggest jump is gonna be fx to literally any of the choices we just said lol

[prisma hill]

what number is the 2nd one supposed to be

3 or 5

[dull flint]

Hm?

Oh 5600X (DDR4) vs 12400F (DDR4)

[prisma hill]

I see

I think Ill stick to 5600/5700

Just cuz if I go with 12000 its more than I think I need

like it would be future proofing the pc more

well future proofing would be going with something like an am5 socket

[dull flint]

There's a longer path with intel tbh

Or AM5 yeah

[prisma hill]

Going back to this then,

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor

so if Im not multitasking, I should pick the 5600 cuz its faster

but if I am multitasking, like having a game open while having other stuff open, would I then pick the 8 core?

[burnt spear]

No

Gaming with minor tasks in the background is just gaming

[prisma hill]

in what case would having 8 cores be better

like what kind of work

[burnt spear]

Editing, photoshop, Adobe suite, maybe blender, rendering, music production, coding, VMs

Some other workstation tasks

[prisma hill]

and if im doing something like playing a game

would the loss of 300hz be a big difference

[dull flint]

Basically negligible

Since as long as you're GPU bound then Ryzen gaming performance isn't dictated by the core clock

[burnt spear]

There's also 12600kf on ddr4

[dull flint]

It's dictated by ram and FCLK performance

[prisma hill]

in this case that system would be equal to the 5700 in performance?

[burnt spear]

A bit better in games

[prisma hill]

does the intel cpu not come with its own cooler

or is it bad enough that getting a dif one is better

[burnt spear]

It doesn't have one

[dull flint]

What

[burnt spear]

Could do ag400 for a bit cheaper

[dull flint]

12400F does

It's just garbage

It's the dinky little intel stock cooler lol

[burnt spear]

There could be better sales soon too

No way of knowing either way tho

And sounds like your pc isn't working, which would suck waiting

[prisma hill]

pc isnt working but I got the laptop so Im able to manage

[burnt spear]

Ah

[prisma hill]

kinda good tbh cuz it forces me to not play games lol, especially near finals

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wxs2RV

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/R77xYd

so those are my two options pretty much

100$ more and go intel 12600

or just stay with that other one I hvae

the thing is Im gonna be bottlenecked regardless by gpu, so if im not upgrading my gpu soon I dont see the point of going with the intel one

socket wise, is one better than the other? Like has more of a future?

ig am4 doesnt have a future bc of am5, is that intel one its current socket or is it an older socket

[burnt spear]

It's end of life is 14th gen, the 12600kf is just a bit better and tbf the extra cores might help it age better

Everyone said 4 cores was peak until they didn't lmao

Either way you're fine though, either pc will do you good

Also it looks like a $55 diff

[prisma hill]

is that with a cheaper cpu cooler

apparently that cpu cooler just sold out or something

[burnt spear]

Oh yeah I missed that

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qYG8Kq 13400f has a stock cooler although it's not great it'll keep it from throttling

Or just get the ag400 with the 12600kf

[prisma hill]

is that a cpu cooler

[burnt spear]

Yeah

$30

[prisma hill]

also on the intel one it says ill have an issue with the gpu fitting, but it doesnt say the same with the amd one, clearly the gpu fits in the case cuz thats what I have rn

but should I be concerned it says that for the intel one but not amd

[burnt spear]

Yeah i was very confused by that

I see no reason cpu or mobo would affect gpu and case clearance

[prisma hill]

maybe the mobo is like to the side or something

the slot

[burnt spear]

Gpu has to be on the back of the case though

[prisma hill]

true

no idea

its prob tripping

like rn im looking at my pc, there might be a couple drive bays removed but theres plenty of space

Alr well thanks for all of your guys help

I'll decide between one of the two

Youll prob hear from me again when Im trying to get all my data from my old pc onto the new stuff, or just building it in general

[wind karma]

Macrium Reflect is good (and free) if you want to clone your data

[meager elbow]

clonezilla the goat

[prisma hill]

What's that

[wind karma]

A program for copying/cloning drives

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

[prisma hill]

My old pc won't boot is the issue, so how would I go about doing this

With the upgrades I'm doing I'd get an m.2, so I'd want the boot drive to be that, but otherwise all my old data in sata ssds / hard rives can stay where they currently are

[dusty cipher]

Nvme is the way to go

[vagrant mist]

Not just for windows drives, it can clone any drive you connect to your computer

[vagrant mist]

You'd need a second PC to clone the drivr

[prisma hill]

Once I actually get the parts and come to build it (Dec 14 or 15 bc of finals) then I'll prob ask more about this

[wind karma]

So I updated my bios but it doesn't seem to recognize my boot drive. Trying to boot just goes straight to bios.

Hitting f8 opens boot manager but the only boot option is "enter setup" which goes to bios

[dull flint]

Is it a sata drive

If it is then the slot can need toggling

[wind karma]

Nah nvme

[dull flint]

Think there's also a situation it applies for nvme but I can't remember the option

[wind karma]

Hmm. I have a Linux USB and I can boot to that

[dull flint]

It's definitely gonna be a toggle

[wind karma]

Yeah I'll look for something nvme related

[dull flint]

[wind karma]

It does recognize the 2 sata ssds I have plugged in

But they aren't boot drives

Yeah when I boot into Linux on a usb it shows the data drives bit not nvme

[grizzled bloom]

Try without the sata drives in, sometimes having those in certain slots will disable M.2 slots

[wind karma]

Would that change from bios version to version?

[grizzled bloom]

No

It's a hardware limitation